Thank you for delivering this incredible speech with such clarity and compassion. I’m tearing up at the song and images at the end. So powerful, gentle, hopeful, and sad. ❤
dear Nancy, you have truly captivated me here in Hamburg, tonight, just fascinating. Wonderful American welcome and science and fun and compassion, Well done , Thumbs up!! Hands down :)
I once started to learn Mathemagics and had to practice the multiplication time table. That night I suddenly had an amazing increase in my ability to imagine complex dance moves etc. There was a definite and noticable improvement. Very pleasurable.
I know people who are creative in technical fields and also in art music writing. They tend to be open minded and also have a sense of irony, open to different interpretations. Quite refreshing...
I am a teacher. Her points are almost entirely on point. I disagree with the educational theory stated in this lecture in the sequence of creating structure before the "eureka moment". That describes our current educational system that limits the students who are more capable of generating the best ideas. The lecturer dismisses these students because they don't follow through with the entire process. Educators need to structure this process, understanding that we all have of our specialties in the creative process. I believe that education should be centered around the students best at the "eureka moment". Then you work to develop the structure around that idea. Otherwise, you are ignoring the people who generate progress, and society becomes less creative and more of a standardized paradigm. Our current "assembly line" culture what the lecturer describes as learning the standards first would benefit this structure but we desperately need to move away from that concept. There is no motivation for creative people or anyone to learn standards if there is no "big picture" generated by the "eureka moment". People who are better at learning the structure first lack the critical thinking skills to start the progress and usually copy someone else's idea and often not the best idea. Maybe all these highly creative people she describes are depressed because the way our society responds to creativity is so backward.
As both a scholar and creatively minded. You absolutely are correct. This is why I chose to study sociology. I despise this acceptance of abarent intelligence. I like to think creativity leads to evolution. Traditional education is a standardize catastrophe.
Wow, you read my mind. Right when she got into the 4 step creativity process theory and led into productivity as the last mandatory stage that either confirms or negates wether someone is legitimately creative. For a moment I thought no, maybe I'm projecting and taking this personally, let me stop. Lol... but no. You really said it very well. I was just thinking about the very big obstacle that plagues people with very active, creative minds that also have a bigger picture motivating the process that tends to think more towards the greater intellectual, moral, and empathetic good of our societies... and that is the doozy. There's a very big level of internal consequences that arise throughout this type of mentality. There's a deep sadness that can become crippling on so many personal levels in a current world that mocks and constantly invalidates the ideas and efforts of people that think this way in favor of short term goals that seek instant, shallow, and material models of success , which are in the long run highly detrimental to society's stability and well- being. Not only are these standards not good, they have catastrophic consequences in all aspects of our lives.
@@Dhvile they very, very often have overlaps in the lives of highly creative individuals but they are not necessarily always present. So yes, but it's important to clarify that it's not a given aspect of the mental health of creative people.
Thank you for this perspective. I resonate, from my own experience, with its clarity. My early education was first at home (Mother was a teacher) then at a tiny country school. Next, it was "alternate education" where well-meaning people tried to squeeze me into the box of their expectations...but somehow there was always enough latitude to learn and develop what I needed. Creative? I would think so. As a young teenager I was discovering patterns and connections between ideas, and synthesizing new concepts. I still write--and have been published. Also, during the past 30 years I've designed and built many custom stained glass windows--and still there are fresh ideas of things to make. It's who I am. I'm grateful.
I would lay down at night to images flashing at rapid speed in front of my eyes, but it never felt like I was generating them. All effortless. I have not experienced it after Covid. Covid effected my brain, I was so depressed that I was no longer getting the dopamine fix I got from creating.
Creativity is the ability of taking things apart and putting them together mentally. Real creativity is intuitive; it all happens within. People can also attain to the product of creativity in a non intuitive approach. That creativity is empirical; it depends on external factors; like something you saw, heard,... And empirical creativity is attain usually through hard work. The more you work, the more you increase your chances of coming in contact with some factor that will inspire you to create. Coming back to real creativity; intuitive creativity, it doesn't depend on how hard working you are, it is usually expressed without working hard; it's the result of having a great imagination. That's the creativity geniuses have; that's what make them do great complex things at an early age without struggling. Most people are creative because they work hard; that's empirical! Real creative people (like geniuses) work hard because they are creative; that's intuitive! Now it's important to distinguish between artist and scientist. Many artist operate with empirical creativity. The creation is affected a lot by he concrete world; things they see, hear, smell, touch... So in reality, most artist are not really creative in the intuitive way. But scientists on the other hand, have little chance to come across something in the concrete world that will inspire them to create. The more a scientist advances in his field, the less he can rely on external factors for creativity. That calls for a great ability for intuitive creativity. So the real creative people would be likely found among abstract mathematicians, theoretical physicists, .... I would bet that a pure scientist would be a better musician if he could take time to invest his creativity in it. People who have intuitive creativity tend to be polymaths (creative at many things).
Great. If we bring the Myers Briggs or Jungian psychology, the empirical creativity would be extroverted sensation: the awareness of the world the way it is, being in the moment, and an artist with this function in first or second position on their stack would translate what they saw in the world, exactly how they saw it. No symbols, no hidden meanings, just the aesthetic appeal as they saw it. But an artist with extroverted intuition would take a bit from the real world, process that data as a raw material through his psyche, make associations with it with different abstract concepts. In the end the finished painting would have hidden meanings, may or may not have aesthetic appeal. An artist like this would be Salvador Dhali, who was in the Myers Briggs type indicator an ENFP. His first function being extroverted intuition. Oh and all abstract painters too are all intuitive.
I just made a video on art and Depression if you are interested. Signed, a formerly very sad artist !!! ( A.k.a Jaunty, The Recluse Queen) th-cam.com/video/gyCKZ68pGgs/w-d-xo.html
Maybe creativity is to let the audience sing Starry Night, if the audio is broken. It is a well known song, I think a lot of people can sing it, or hum it. And thanks a lot for this very interesting video, I enjoyed it from beginning till the end.
You may think I’m crazy, and you’re probably right, I don’t know a lot about schizophrenia only a little, my Grandma has it, my daughter had episodes of it and I suffered psychosis a few times. I think that creative people have so much going on that they form their own families of archetypes to figure out stuff and to try and organise thoughts. As you know, thought patterns become comforting and comfortable so it can become a thought trap. But I may have this wrong 🤷♀️🌺
Na ur right don’t drive yourself nuts lol As humans we always haven’t had advanced language But as we look throughout history, we see an increase in so called “mad people” These days I mean , enough of a negative emotion, or a traumatic experience, substance abuse, or anything other could cause “madness” or even just creative thoughts in general. But another idea is that people with adhd (I have adhd), have a tendency to be creative, and that’s what lead me to this video
I have created beautiful art and music however I never feel like I created it. Very frustrating! I start and somehow it gets created, its not something I planned, I just do something look at the feedback then adjust accordingly. Its almost as if it makes itself but with my help! Like you are opening a present and everything just unfolds and I feel like an imposter because I don't know how I did it and I can't recreate it.
You have something moving through you. And it does come from your perception of the world. It is the truth through your hands. Embrace that because it is a beautiful blessing. Imo
@@meeshapip4409 Thank you so much! I appreciate the encouragement! Thinking about it now, you are right , it probably does come from perception since I created the most beautiful art after extreme suffering of abandonment during a debilitating illness. I express and heal my pain through art. It's very effective.
Did anyone used to say J. P. Morgan, Carnegie, or Rockefeller were highly creative? Ask yourself why it is obligatory to say that about Gates, Jobs, or Zuckerberg.
nature is important brain need that it free each human is to connect science is not exactly my cup of tea but it cool to bring more about helping with earth mind spirit it creating joy to with ideas of desire of heart or brain or spirit if u can write this i like to hear more but hearing impair just help me to relate to your ideas of thinking n i hope u put in close caption so people have diffrent ideas creativity ..i like poems i like to open my mind it beautiful n we all have vibes n environment...people n animals plants all part of healing
8:37 This point is confusing. Being creative is one thing (the Eureka moment when the idea comes to light) and making something with it is another thing. One can have an idea and do nothing with it, for various reasons. When I was a child in the 80s I had the idea of propulsion using magnets (my parents are not scientists). Was that a creative idea? Yes. Did I contribute to the building of actual technology? No.
Seems like she’s a little bit biased towards famous & accomplished people. She completely loses me at 9:26 “You may have a lot of insights, but if you don’t put them into action then you’re not a creative person “
She is like most of those people, try to name something without knowing the language for it. She is old like me but she is wrong about creativity because she was never sick with it.
Humans looking in the brain to figure out creativity brings to mind the image of monkeys spitting out a half masticated banana morsel trying to figure out its flavour and why it is so.
I beg to differ.... Preparedness is often something prodiges don't have... They just start doing their thing at two or three without any accumulation of the knowledge... Preparedness is for the non genius.... Also.... U r a creative person if u don't produce anything... It just means u don't help humanity much ,but ur brain is still a creative brain... Has nothing to do with what u accomplish or produce!!!! Producing is for the masses , lady! !! Ideas r enuf!!!! Einstien just had ideas basically
Had the funniest thought while looking at a coffee table and a fan. What if you had gears at your base and each of the three legs move and walk. It's nonsense but you could move it by wobbling that the first leg moves a few cms above and to the side and a third of the quarter way, the leading leg goes up and then the second leg does it too but due to the imbalance you would create you would need it to move very small teeny tiny moves and it will look like an oompa loompa coffee table and add a speaker and while it does it it plays the songs the oompa loompa does and it makes it 10x funnier in my mind. Just sharing. Couldn't stop laughing otherwise.
I have a comment about the movie or book the lord of the ring maybe it's 🤔 happened all the super powers globally are fighting to control the world trying to find the key that control the world the key is imaginary it means a key speaker and the folk lord song one sholger rids away turns the stone and looks beneath peace on earth thats all it says !!
People are creative regardless if they express it visually or outwardly. We can tell this through brain imaging. I’ve heard several false claims in this lecture. Be skeptical.
Roger Meyer. Remember him. He had an intellectual disability. He was picked on because of it. He’s a little famous for being a poet. There’s a movie about him. Sean Cassidy played him. I believe the movie is called, Almost Normal.
No offense to the University of Iowa, but I feel like Nancy Andreasen should really be somewhere more prestigious. Maybe she simply isn't interested in moving due to family and friends.
I’m creative and it’s true. When I was under 6, I went to the zoo and I was utterly sad feeding elephants. Yep cause they r kept in shitty cages. I also taught myself to ride a bike by holding onto a window.
Strongly disagree with her claim that the world is a self-organising system at about 20:20 into the lecture! The world is arranged according to the Golden Rule: they that have the gold, make the rules. This obtains ever more and more.
There is no such thing as the 'creative brain'. It is the embodied person who is creative, thinks, acts, etc, not brains. Try being creative without a body as nested in a community, which in Vygotsky's thinking equates with the 'social within'. This talk is nonsense on stilts.
Thank you for delivering this incredible speech with such clarity and compassion. I’m tearing up at the song and images at the end. So powerful, gentle, hopeful, and sad. ❤
This learned woman is direct, clear, and without the fluff. No pomp & circumstance. Just a sheer joy to follow the entire lecture.
dear Nancy, you have truly captivated me here in Hamburg, tonight, just fascinating. Wonderful American welcome and science and fun and compassion, Well done , Thumbs up!! Hands down :)
I once started to learn Mathemagics and had to practice the multiplication time table. That night I suddenly had an amazing increase in my ability to imagine complex dance moves etc. There was a definite and noticable improvement. Very pleasurable.
It's so wonderfull to hear about nourishing and turbulent minds from someone with a poetic heart and a steady bearing.💛
Infusing poetry throughout your speech clarified creativity in a unique way, thank-you.
The wisdom in this content is a beacon. A book I read with related subjects was a pivotal influence on me. "Adapting with Aging" by James Crescent
To see a world in a grain of sand. Short yet accurate explanation!
I know people who are creative in technical fields and also in art music writing. They tend to be open minded and also have a sense of irony, open to different interpretations. Quite refreshing...
Very wonderful lady, and a wonderful speech. Thanks for posting :)
As a paranoid schizophrenic I wish to thank you for your invaluable work.
Great understandable lecture, also for beginners. Hope to hear more from her.
I am a teacher. Her points are almost entirely on point. I disagree with the educational theory stated in this lecture in the sequence of creating structure before the "eureka moment". That describes our current educational system that limits the students who are more capable of generating the best ideas. The lecturer dismisses these students because they don't follow through with the entire process. Educators need to structure this process, understanding that we all have of our specialties in the creative process. I believe that education should be centered around the students best at the "eureka moment". Then you work to develop the structure around that idea. Otherwise, you are ignoring the people who generate progress, and society becomes less creative and more of a standardized paradigm. Our current "assembly line" culture what the lecturer describes as learning the standards first would benefit this structure but we desperately need to move away from that concept. There is no motivation for creative people or anyone to learn standards if there is no "big picture" generated by the "eureka moment". People who are better at learning the structure first lack the critical thinking skills to start the progress and usually copy someone else's idea and often not the best idea. Maybe all these highly creative people she describes are depressed because the way our society responds to creativity is so backward.
As both a scholar and creatively minded. You absolutely are correct. This is why I chose to study sociology. I despise this acceptance of abarent intelligence. I like to think creativity leads to evolution. Traditional education is a standardize catastrophe.
Does schizophrenia and psychosis have affect with creativity?
Wow, you read my mind. Right when she got into the 4 step creativity process theory and led into productivity as the last mandatory stage that either confirms or negates wether someone is legitimately creative. For a moment I thought no, maybe I'm projecting and taking this personally, let me stop. Lol... but no. You really said it very well. I was just thinking about the very big obstacle that plagues people with very active, creative minds that also have a bigger picture motivating the process that tends to think more towards the greater intellectual, moral, and empathetic good of our societies... and that is the doozy. There's a very big level of internal consequences that arise throughout this type of mentality. There's a deep sadness that can become crippling on so many personal levels in a current world that mocks and constantly invalidates the ideas and efforts of people that think this way in favor of short term goals that seek instant, shallow, and material models of success , which are in the long run highly detrimental to society's stability and well- being. Not only are these standards not good, they have catastrophic consequences in all aspects of our lives.
@@Dhvile they very, very often have overlaps in the lives of highly creative individuals but they are not necessarily always present. So yes, but it's important to clarify that it's not a given aspect of the mental health of creative people.
Thank you for this perspective.
I resonate, from my own experience, with its clarity.
My early education was first at home (Mother was a teacher) then at a tiny country school. Next, it was "alternate education" where well-meaning people tried to squeeze me into the box of their expectations...but somehow there was always enough latitude to learn and develop what I needed.
Creative? I would think so. As a young teenager I was discovering patterns and connections between ideas, and synthesizing new concepts. I still write--and have been published.
Also, during the past 30 years I've designed and built many custom stained glass windows--and still there are fresh ideas of things to make. It's who I am.
I'm grateful.
I would lay down at night to images flashing at rapid speed in front of my eyes, but it never felt like I was generating them. All effortless. I have not experienced it after Covid. Covid effected my brain, I was so depressed that I was no longer getting the dopamine fix I got from creating.
Thank you for posting this. I enjoyed it immensely.
Wonderful lady and a wonderful lecture.
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Creativity is the ability of taking things apart and putting them together mentally. Real creativity is intuitive; it all happens within. People can also attain to the product of creativity in a non intuitive approach. That creativity is empirical; it depends on external factors; like something you saw, heard,... And empirical creativity is attain usually through hard work. The more you work, the more you increase your chances of coming in contact with some factor that will inspire you to create. Coming back to real creativity; intuitive creativity, it doesn't depend on how hard working you are, it is usually expressed without working hard; it's the result of having a great imagination. That's the creativity geniuses have; that's what make them do great complex things at an early age without struggling. Most people are creative because they work hard; that's empirical! Real creative people (like geniuses) work hard because they are creative; that's intuitive!
Now it's important to distinguish between artist and scientist. Many artist operate with empirical creativity. The creation is affected a lot by he concrete world; things they see, hear, smell, touch...
So in reality, most artist are not really creative in the intuitive way.
But scientists on the other hand, have little chance to come across something in the concrete world that will inspire them to create. The more a scientist advances in his field, the less he can rely on external factors for creativity. That calls for a great ability for intuitive creativity. So the real creative people would be likely found among abstract mathematicians, theoretical physicists, ....
I would bet that a pure scientist would be a better musician if he could take time to invest his creativity in it.
People who have intuitive creativity tend to be polymaths (creative at many things).
Great. If we bring the Myers Briggs or Jungian psychology, the empirical creativity would be extroverted sensation: the awareness of the world the way it is, being in the moment, and an artist with this function in first or second position on their stack would translate what they saw in the world, exactly how they saw it. No symbols, no hidden meanings, just the aesthetic appeal as they saw it. But an artist with extroverted intuition would take a bit from the real world, process that data as a raw material through his psyche, make associations with it with different abstract concepts. In the end the finished painting would have hidden meanings, may or may not have aesthetic appeal. An artist like this would be Salvador Dhali, who was in the Myers Briggs type indicator an ENFP. His first function being extroverted intuition. Oh and all abstract painters too are all intuitive.
I just made a video on art and Depression if you are interested.
Signed, a formerly very sad artist !!!
( A.k.a Jaunty, The Recluse Queen)
th-cam.com/video/gyCKZ68pGgs/w-d-xo.html
Perfect 👌🏻
Blaah blaah , give credit to musicians , that’s talent .
Thank you so much for sharing these insights
Maybe creativity is to let the audience sing Starry Night, if the audio is broken. It is a well known song, I think a lot of people can sing it, or hum it. And thanks a lot for this very interesting video, I enjoyed it from beginning till the end.
Enjoyable and informative, all the best everyone.
You may think I’m crazy, and you’re probably right, I don’t know a lot about schizophrenia only a little, my Grandma has it, my daughter had episodes of it and I suffered psychosis a few times. I think that creative people have so much going on that they form their own families of archetypes to figure out stuff and to try and organise thoughts. As you know, thought patterns become comforting and comfortable so it can become a thought trap. But I may have this wrong 🤷♀️🌺
Na ur right don’t drive yourself nuts lol
As humans we always haven’t had advanced language
But as we look throughout history, we see an increase in so called “mad people”
These days I mean , enough of a negative emotion, or a traumatic experience, substance abuse, or anything other could cause “madness” or even just creative thoughts in general.
But another idea is that people with adhd (I have adhd), have a tendency to be creative, and that’s what lead me to this video
Making a majority of young people take on debt for education before age 25 will squelch creativity. You see this already.
I have created beautiful art and music however I never feel like I created it. Very frustrating! I start and somehow it gets created, its not something I planned, I just do something look at the feedback then adjust accordingly. Its almost as if it makes itself but with my help! Like you are opening a present and everything just unfolds and I feel like an imposter because I don't know how I did it and I can't recreate it.
You have something moving through you. And it does come from your perception of the world. It is the truth through your hands. Embrace that because it is a beautiful blessing. Imo
@@meeshapip4409 Thank you so much! I appreciate the encouragement! Thinking about it now, you are right , it probably does come from perception since I created the most beautiful art after extreme suffering of abandonment during a debilitating illness. I express and heal my pain through art. It's very effective.
Did anyone used to say J. P. Morgan, Carnegie, or Rockefeller were highly creative? Ask yourself why it is obligatory to say that about Gates, Jobs, or Zuckerberg.
I must comment on the shirt. That is a work of art.
thank u it nice lecture action n word if u feel great when u enjoy it while u find yaself too
Wonderfully enlightening. Thank you.
IQ is a measure of conformity and it has little to do with creativity.
IQ tests can not measure creativity.
I agree, was thinking the same thing.
This is highly informative!
you are very good!!
nature is important brain need that it free each human is to connect science is not exactly my cup of tea but it cool to bring more about helping with earth mind spirit it creating joy to with ideas of desire of heart or brain or spirit if u can write this i like to hear more but hearing impair just help me to relate to your ideas of thinking n i hope u put in close caption so people have diffrent ideas creativity ..i like poems i like to open my mind it beautiful n we all have vibes n environment...people n animals plants all part of healing
Thank you
8:37 This point is confusing. Being creative is one thing (the Eureka moment when the idea comes to light) and making something with it is another thing. One can have an idea and do nothing with it, for various reasons. When I was a child in the 80s I had the idea of propulsion using magnets (my parents are not scientists). Was that a creative idea? Yes. Did I contribute to the building of actual technology? No.
Seems like she’s a little bit biased towards famous & accomplished people.
She completely loses me at 9:26
“You may have a lot of insights, but if you don’t put them into action then you’re not a creative person “
She is like most of those people, try to name something without knowing the language for it. She is old like me but she is wrong about creativity because she was never sick with it.
Madam you done great job
*did. Idiot......
wonderful
Fuck you
Van Gogh was really thought to have epilepsy and he could control his outrageous fits. Is epilepsy considered a mental illness ?
He could not control his fits I meant
41:37 It says "Mark Zuckerman" instead of "Zuckerberg" LOL!
Humans looking in the brain to figure out creativity brings to mind the image of monkeys spitting out a half masticated banana morsel trying to figure out its flavour and why it is so.
natural it will only be used inside it come from the heart
I beg to differ.... Preparedness is often something prodiges don't have... They just start doing their thing at two or three without any accumulation of the knowledge... Preparedness is for the non genius.... Also.... U r a creative person if u don't produce anything... It just means u don't help humanity much ,but ur brain is still a creative brain... Has nothing to do with what u accomplish or produce!!!! Producing is for the masses , lady! !! Ideas r enuf!!!! Einstien just had ideas basically
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Had the funniest thought while looking at a coffee table and a fan. What if you had gears at your base and each of the three legs move and walk. It's nonsense but you could move it by wobbling that the first leg moves a few cms above and to the side and a third of the quarter way, the leading leg goes up and then the second leg does it too but due to the imbalance you would create you would need it to move very small teeny tiny moves and it will look like an oompa loompa coffee table and add a speaker and while it does it it plays the songs the oompa loompa does and it makes it 10x funnier in my mind. Just sharing. Couldn't stop laughing otherwise.
I have a comment about the movie or book the lord of the ring maybe it's 🤔 happened all the super powers globally are fighting to control the world trying to find the key that control the world the key is imaginary it means a key speaker and the folk lord song one sholger rids away turns the stone and looks beneath peace on earth thats all it says !!
To start a lecture on creativity, using hollowed out old cliche’s is ironic!
People are creative regardless if they express it visually or outwardly. We can tell this through brain imaging. I’ve heard several false claims in this lecture. Be skeptical.
Roger
Roger Meyer. Remember him. He had an intellectual disability. He was picked on because of it. He’s a little famous for being a poet. There’s a movie about him. Sean Cassidy played him. I believe the movie is called, Almost Normal.
No offense to the University of Iowa, but I feel like Nancy Andreasen should really be somewhere more prestigious. Maybe she simply isn't interested in moving due to family and friends.
That is condescending towards the University of Iowa.
I’m creative and it’s true. When I was under 6, I went to the zoo and I was utterly sad feeding elephants. Yep cause they r kept in shitty cages. I also taught myself to ride a bike by holding onto a window.
LOL, you are not "creative".
@@Anonymous-wb3nz 😅😂
Clearly this lady is not creative herself lmfao... Doesn't quite get it
Lecturing does not need creativity.. It seems anybody can teach or lecture
Strongly disagree with her claim that the world is a self-organising system at about 20:20 into the lecture! The world is arranged according to the Golden Rule: they that have the gold, make the rules. This obtains ever more and more.
Yuck...
She said the brain is a self organizing structure. Not the world.
38:48 WTF! that's what i call modesty LOL.
There is no such thing as the 'creative brain'. It is the embodied person who is creative, thinks, acts, etc, not brains. Try being creative without a body as nested in a community, which in Vygotsky's thinking equates with the 'social within'. This talk is nonsense on stilts.