The Wil Wheaton Dice Curse
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ม.ค. 2021
- Wil Wheaton is notorious for consistently rolling badly - so much so that there can be no explanation for it other than some sort of curse. This video shows that curse in action.
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All clips are from the following videos:
Matt Mercer Panel: • Video
Critical Role ep. 20: • Trial of the Take: Par...
Critical Role ep. 21: • Trial of the Take: Par...
PARANOIA: • Wil Wheaton, Felicia D...
Critical Role ep. 22: • AraMente to Pyrah | Cr...
Wizard World Panel: • Critical Role Panel @ ...
Liam’s Periscope: • Liam & Travis' secret ... - บันเทิง
*MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE END OF CAMPAIGN ONE IN THE COMMENTS! DO NOT CONTINUE READING THESE COMMENTS IF YOU DON’T WANT SPOILERS!*
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Did Wheaton ever answer the age old question of, "Whoopi Goldberg, ever hit that?"
I have the same curse as Wheaton, I wonder if we campaigned in a game if we would cancel each other's curses out, or would they destroy all existence?...
yo, would you mind pinning a spoiler warning comment considering the top comments? If you do, thanks a shit ton!
@@Emilk0130 you know what yeah, that’s good idea. Thanks for asking. I get so many comments on this video it’s hard to keep up with, but I am gonna go ahead and try to delete some of the top spoiler comments as well.
It wasnt 2 generations ago. An ancestor of his 10 generations ago made the unwise decision to cross Taliesin Jaffe.
And that ancestor was Delilah Briarwood.
@@wadeking4054 I hate the implications of Will being a descendant of the Briarwoods.
What if the first Wheton was actually the original luck God and Talesin usurped their power?
Aaaah
Such a powerful curse even he fears it.
I fired, and I missed. So I fired, and I missed again. Then I fired and I missed. Then I passed out and woke up and fired and missed again.
Ate a popsicle. Passed out in the snow. Woke up, fired and then I fired again. I missed, I missed both times.
@@hopelesslydull7588 had myself another popsicle.
Then I fired again. I hit something, but it wasn't what I was going for. So I guess I missed. I passed out again.
@@FrederikHav had another popsicle.🤣🤣🤣
Long story short: missed
I have a friend who kept rolling horribly week after week (changed dice, didn't matter, went digital, didn't matter) and we finally figured it out - he shook Wil Wheaton's hand at a convention, and has been cursed ever since
Wash the hand in salt water along with their dice
And then called me back in the morning
@@-Commit-arson- Don't forget to put it in a bowl of rice too
You know what just cut the hand off.
Sage it.
Ohh damm
The fact that the curse persisted into an INVERSE SYSTEM kills me.
Oh yeah. The curse isnt that he rolls Low.. its that he rolls BAD.. no matter the system.
@@lyianxwheatons grandpappy must've angered himself a witch
@@TheNosnets He needs to find the descendant of the witch and carry them up the mountain in order to rid himself of the curse.
@@lyianxthe curse has persisted into board games, he had a show called TableTop on Geek and Sundry, in every game with dice, he rolled terribly, without fail.
@@davyt0247 Oh im well aware. I watched his show. Even games that with dice that didnt use numbers, he rolled poorly. The curse cares not for the system or the dice.. If there are bad rolls to be had, he will roll them consistently.
Its why on his own show, he RARELY won the games. And not for lack of trying.
When the DM can't fix your dice and admits you're cursed, you're screwed.
Po ko
Wil Wheaton, the DJ Khaled of D&D:
"Another 1"
Slow clap
Underrated
Ooohhh wiiieee xD
😆
Have my upvote
I love how at the beginning they are like "oh, yeah, the curse joke, funny", but slowly they just witness it and suffer psychological damage in real life.
They were getting increasingly scared with each dice roll :D
*EMOTIONAL DAMAGE*
@@blackheartthedarklord6428low dice rolling damage!
*HUGE SPOLER CAMPAIGN 1* I also love how at the beginning, Will apologizes to Liam when his character is the only one who permanently died.
@@FrapsityWAIT OMG YOURE RIGHT-
I feel like Will Wheaton should be given advantage on all his roles simply for being Will Wheaton and having the courage to continue to play dice rolling games
He’d roll 2 Nats 1
Trust me, you don't want that. Nothing is more terrifying than seeing someone roll with advantage and roll *worse.*
He should have some kind of resilience advantage
Really, he should just play a halfling divination mage. So that he can reroll his ones and give his low rolls to his enemies.
Being able to assign a 1 to three enemy rolls every long rest sound pretty broken.
@@BeginswithPIE but he will roll high on those
I don't recall where he said this, but I have heard Wil say in an interview "I don't roll low, I roll wrong"
I think it was an episode of Table Top. But im not sure myself
There was one game where low rolls were the thing on a D20, but he kept rolling 20s
this is confirmed btw apparently in games where low rolls are good he rolls REALLY REALLY high
@@WardNightstone He defies the bell curve ... completely.
@@DrBreadstick Mathematically we call that an 'outlier' and Wil's rolling is about as far out as it gets.
Wil Wheaton is not alone. I have a friend with the same issue. We largely resolved it for her in the following way. We got a nice narrow wooden pencil box with a clear front. We bought a set of dice WHICH SHE NEVER TOUCHED. We put them in the pencil box and permanently sealed it. Now she just shakes the box and reads the appropriate die type without ever touching them.
Wheaton needs to see this!
One corner of the table at my parents' place has been dubbed "the Chris zone" and no matter who sits there, it hasn't seen a good roll in years.
And it works?
I am so bad at rolling that when I DM'd I thought it would be fun to implement a fumble and crit table. None of the players fumbled and the monsters were so bad!!! after a couple of weeks we stopped using the tables otherwise my players could just sit back and watch the monsters practically kill themselves!
THATS AMAZING. WHAT AN IDEA HAHAHA
I want to see Will Wheaton play a wild magic sorcerer for the sheer amount of chaos there would be from all the wild magic table rolls there would likely be.
Beautiful
It would be a one shot character because there's no way that character could survive
@@gothgirlgaming9050 with enough healing magic, anything is possible
If i EVER have a chance to be involved in ANY game he is in, I'll demand he plays a wild magic Sorcerer using the net libram d10000 table.
The original one too, cause if ya roll a 100000 the nearest star explodes.
@@DanDoesDnD I'm sorry, WHAT
"He just rolled a twenty when it didn't matter."
Yeah that sounds about right.
I like the fact that Will at least owns his curse and finds actual enjoyment in the fact he is so so terrible at rolling.
I’m admired by the pure dedication he must have to continue playing the game.
I remember watching him play a game where the results were flipped, 20 was bad and he got so many nat 20’s it was stupid.
@@gconnor18 Yeah, they showed that later in the video! I will admit, a sentient curse is kind of terrifying!
@@xendordawnburst9969 not only that, but this curse apparently is hereditary because all of his family has it now. Watch all of them playing in the geek and sundry show tabletop, I don't remember the name but it was something about mice or rats.
I truly believe to this day that he decided to make his character a veteran of the guild thinking that would be hilarious when he rolled poorly, by using his curse as a gag on his character.
the fact that he starts rolling high as soon as that is a bad thing? THE CURSE K N O W S
Oh god it's sentient
Lord help us 😰
His great great grandpa forgot to carry Madam Zeroni up the mountain
So now he’s a dwarf, and all his axe does is diggy diggy holes.
What a great reference!
Classic.
best comment
So he needs to find Madam Zeroni's great great great grandson. And to do that all he needs to do is roll an investigation check to find...oh shit.
Makes me want to get a mathematics degree just so I can write my dissertation: A Mathematical Proof That Wil Wheaton Does Not, Will Not and Cannot Exist.
I'd love to see it get your doctorate.
That would be amazing to read the math tthe shows how his curse is a statistic improbability
I like how you are disproving his entire existence.
The one dissertation I would willingly try to read and understand.
* Wil Not
I bet someone has done it already. Someone had to.
I'm so glad that the one-shot was also included in this, because that system treats a Nat 20 like d&d treats a Nat 1, and Wheaton got SO MANY 20s IN THAT GAME
So you're saying that his dice aren't cursed to roll _low,_ they're truly cursed to roll _badly._
@@benjaminoechsli1941 Yup. It's a true curse.
@@benjaminoechsli1941heard about that in tye Star Trek adventuerer game, he rolls badly on any system
That was awesome! He was consistently rolling above 16 on the parts I saw of that game. A true confirmation that he has a bad Juju
Myself and a friend met him at a convention in 2019 and we each gave him a d20 and a d12. Amazingly, he rolled a 19 on the d20 and a 12 on the d12. He was so amazed that he took a picture of it to save. It was great.
Well... yeah, it wasy for anything.
These dice were mocking him, I guess.
He just didn’t roll it for SOMETHING. He rolled it just for fun
I hope you gave him the dice
Did he keep the dice? Or did you take them back? You know you have to burn them if you took them back right? RIGHT?!
I love how Liam goes from loving it to slowly dying inside.
Liam was skeptical at first, then he realized his mistake
Sounds about right
The weight of that clunk on 4:10
Liam's reactions are one of the best parts about this.
I love how when Talieson is clensing the room, Travis is like "What the hell are you doing?" then when he says Wil's name Travis just nods like "Ah yeah, okay." :P
25:35
We need Wheaton as a guest on campaign 3. I remember when early in season 2, a guest brought a "gift" in a sealed hazmat bag. A dice which was touched by will. And the whole cast jumped like the plague
Link?
@@zombielols1895 th-cam.com/video/JAyT10WP-cY/w-d-xo.html
4:13:34. Don't know how to link the time stamp, but it's episode 7 of campaign 2
@@kylebeardsley6200 thanks dude
@@zombielols1895 i think it was in the first ~40 episodes??? I will search i later
episode called hush near the end
Wil is a grade A example of how to make the most of shit rolls. There are people who'll bring the whole session down because of a bad roll, but Wil shows us how to ride the wave and still have a good time.
I mean after all the years of rolling so horribly you have to develop some way to deal with it
What is his method...I've heard of him creating characters tailored to deal with them but I still don't know the actual method...
@@tahaabbas6616 I assume he just makes a lot of comic relief characters meant to be bumbling and incompetent. But I could be wrong.
@@abhuman802 either that or he makes rogues and hopes that he reaches the level where his rolls automatically get counted as 10
@@phoenixshadow4631 With his rolls? Doubt it XD
"...whatever dark entity has cursed his numeric existence."
“I don’t know what ancient Aztec deities temple you defaced when you were a child”
How on earth did he come up with that on the fly?
@@anonymousaccordionist3326 because mercer. A good vocabulary. And improv training. And just being a really witty sonofagun
He didn't want to invoke the name... but we know he's talking about Taliesin
MATT IS AMAZING.
The way that Matt immediately broke out into that rant the millisecond the guy finished the question really indicates to me how deeply it affected him.
“Somewhere on this planet, there is someone who never rolls under a 17, and I was put on this planet to balance them out.” Did anyone else think of Taliesin? Because after Caduceus’ Divine Interventions, I’m thinking it’s Taliesin.
Or Ally Beardsley
3:18 I think Matt says "you're the negative Percy"
@@graceredding2880 definitely ally they roll so good they saved the party so many times
it works out - Jerry Holkins and Wil Wheaton balance out Taliesin Jaffe and Ally Beardsley
I have to find the episode, but there is a point where Matt calls Taliesin "The Anti-Wheaton" I just can't remember if it was in C1 or C2
The way that he owns the fact he has such bad luck is amazing, he's so proud of it.
I mean he would be a fuckin God in d100 mechanics i mean legendary success after legendary success, rifts, or warhammer 40k are this wills game
@@tohanwi No no, you don't understand, it's simply the worst result across all dice, regardless. It's insane. You can see a lot more of it in his old Tabletop series.
@@firekirby123 ya I made it that far in the video and was like, welp there goes that idea
The next step after depression is acceptance.
We should just have him play with heads and tails rules so he has a 50 % shot of being utterly amazing or just as bad as usual
He used to bless dice. There are videos online, people used to ask him to bless their dice.
The curse is a result of his hubris.
Weirdly, I think that’s the most plausible theory
I think he takes on all bad rolls for those he bless
Whatever he touches, he absorbs the bad rolls. The second he rolls a curse is used. Hes blessed enough dice to get a potent stuck curse.
Will: *blesses dice for good luck.*
Taliesin: Well, this is an interesting power, mind if I take it?
@@OutlawWalker like some sort of dice roll Jesus?
I have a firm belief that Matt created the "College of Tragedy" bard subclass in his Tal'Dorei reborn book just so that Will Wheaton can pop off.
The thing I love the most about Wil is how not upset he is. He never complains, he is never grumpy or anything. Every time he rolls low he makes a joke out of it and keeps enjoying the whole thing and that's just really sweet
He's been doing to for so long hes become almost numb to it.
Plus, there were a couple that he got grumpy for a Moment, but quickly got over it.
Hard to stay mad at a permanent life ailment
When he starts talking to himself "theoretically... There are 20 faces on that die..." XD
well, he was talking with liam in that moment.
That is what we call the bargaining stage 😂
Yes 20 faces that all read 1 once rolled
'...now I've never SEEN the other nineteen...BUT-'
@@mistertea603 yeah xD
I rewatch this compilation almost every other month and it cracks me every time
Ironically, I find Matt's conversion to a believer to be the best part of this. He starts off demanding an explanation, even getting Wil to change the dice, and is just flabbergasted... to eventual grim acceptance of what is the Wheaton dice curse.
i do enjoy that, but getting will to change the dice almost seems like an accusation of loaded dice just for the humor of it. kinda bummed me out, but maybe im just looking at it wayyyy wrong
@@declancampbell1277 tbh if anything i took it more as "maybe somebody gave this poor guy loaded dice as a prank" than "this dude brought loaded dice to my game to be a jokester" like i didn't read any accusation towards wil in it
@@declancampbell1277 I think being accused of having weighted dice to make you worse at the game is less offensive than being accused of having weighted dice to make you better at it. I know both would be accusations of dishonesty, but at least you're not being accused of cheating at the game to win.
@@declancampbell1277 I don't think there ever was an accusation. It's simply a fact that sometimes when people buy dice that the dice are just not balanced properly. There are tests that can showcase that sometimes a consistently low rolling dice weren't being used for cheating but were just made poorly in the mass production of dice.
It makes perfect sense to switch dice in the middle of a game where one rolls low. And since Matt traded the dice and took Will's, if balancing was an issue it would actually make the game easier for everyone because now the DM would be rolling low. I've done that as a DM and I've traded dice as well as a player.
In the case of Will Wheaton it turned out that it wasn't the dice and that variable was eliminated by Matt trading the d20.
@@Dragon_Lair perfect explanation, could not be done better
I just love the image of Wheaton's dwarf character being like a totally overconfident badass in manner, but essentially a complete liability to the party through his ineptitude/bad luck.
So a worser Gimli in a sense.
I remember in a later episode, when the party visits The Take, Thorbir and someone else were playing cards, and Thorbir lost another hand, and the guy he was playing against makes a comment about his luck.
My favorite clip has to be 4:08. The laugh together with the audible thud of Liam's head hitting the table gets me every fucking time I swear lmao
Plus both of them, without any cue, holding up two fingers at exactly the same time.
Just because of that poor dice rolling luck, on DND Beyond...I homebrewed a debuff spell called Luck of Thorbir.
I need deets
Pleez bestow upon us this power
I’m with Connor, please share this
We need to hear what it does. Now.
@@tomtedh5158 Yes sir, that is the spell. I was stunned by the dice showing him that level of disfavor for no known reason. At least with the spell there's a in game reason.
"Luck of Thorbir" - When affected by this debuff if you would roll a D20 instead roll a D6 and use the result as your D20 roll.
Liam never had to use more than one hand to show his rolls
We should put Taliesin Jaffe, Wil Wheaton, Ally Beardsley, and Brian Murphy in the same game, just to see what will happen.
Brutal and beautiful, in equal measure
I would ad Travis because he has his perfectly timed roll (2*nat20 in search for grog or 3*nat 1 throwing bags or 2*nat1 vs 2*nat20 when he rivals with someone) :D
@@Just_a-guy I would also add Zach Oyama for similar reasons
Brian Murphy rolls for the table each time
Brennan should DM so Matt can get his terrible forever-DM player rolls
I think the most impressive part is he has a curse, knows about said curse yet still absolutely loves tabletop games and hasn't quit them hahaha
if you know anything about people with allergies, it's that they continue to eat the thing they're allergic to. Wil is the same
@@mischievousscroundel7277Tabletop lactose intolerance.
The fact that he try’s to make the best of his bad luck, instead of dragging down the game and ruining it,is an aspect of Wil Wheaton that makes him a good player.
Well, until that high roll game, then he couldn’t help but curse like a sailor. Cruel curse, playing with him so maliciously.
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Killmeplease
one night when i was having some bad rolls a friend said something like "change dice, change your luck" to which i replied "i dont believe in *luck* the entire concept is utter nonsense" - then proceeded to roll 5x 1's in a fucking ROW before rage quitting... i have never besmirched the idea of luck again.
@@dodobean7620 I have trashed entire sets of dice due to that....
Yeah, I quit ttrpgs beacuse of my really bad luck. Glad he has the fortutide to keep going
When the crew had him touch Matt's dice before the fight with Kevdak the problem was that he didn't send out the bad rolls, he absorbed the bad rolls, making Matt roll higher
My first knowledge of the curse was sometime in campaign two when Laura is taking a die sent by a fan out of a plastic bag and someone tells her that wil touched it and she just about chucks it out of frame in panic
wait that's hilarious, is there a video with this? I really want to watch it 🤣
@@thepurplegnomegeneral3777 talks machina c2e3 I think
I'd looove to see this clip.
Y'know, the best part is, the way Matt rolled in the Kevdak fight... the scheme to use the curse as sabotage *WORKED.*
I was hoping someone would know which fight it was and whether it worked
@@cheeseboy1505 It actually backfired spectacularly. The rolls were absurdly chaotic in that fight.
@@rault114 Almost like the curse was like, "You DARE to use ME to your BENEFIT?! I'LL TEACH YOU ALL! ... FOR ONE NIGHT ONLY BECAUSE THAT'S GENIUS!"
I found a d20 that is only 20s I feel like Will would still somehow roll a 1 on it.
Even on a flat surface the dice would still land between two sides
Or it will just somehow fall off the table and disappear
For him to roll high, he would need a sphere with the number 20 embedded in it a deep bowl such that the sphere doesn’t roll out, and the sphere and bowl don’t crack.
The same applies with low rolls but the sphere has an embedded 1.
Then you would need 98 more spheres to cover 1-100.
Finally, Chuggaaconroy needs to hold the bag contains said accurate spheres so it does not get lost, but also never interact with ProtonJon before he hands the bag to Wil Wheaton at the house where they are playing the game, and have another lucky person take back the 100 spheres without coming into contact with an unlucky person when the game ends, but not before they test the table, the bowl, the couches, the house, the community, and the weather where the game with Wil Wheaton is taking place. The bag also has to be rated high because 100 spheres could rip the bag.
Then Wil Wheaton will be able to roll more predictably.
One of those impossible to topple toys, but with a big 20 on the top. He proceeds to pop it.
It would balance on a point
God, I want to write a thesis on this. Just put Wil Wheaton through a variety of tests.
-Regular DnD combat, as a control.
-DnD combat but when he rolls, we subtract that number from 21, and THAT'S what he gets, so he wants to roll low.
-DnD combat but *someone else* flips a coin to see which of the above results will be evaluated, each time Wil rolls.
-The above, but the coin is flipped AFTER Wil rolls.
-etc
See how distant we need to get from Wil's dice-rolling intent before the statistics normalize.
Oh my god. I suddenly crave to have scientific proof that magic is real by doing these tests!
I haven’t watch the full video yet, so I’m not sure it’s in here, but I recall Will being in a different game (not D&D) with the cast at some point, in a game that wanted low rolls, and I think his first roll was 19. EDIT: Yep in here
Well he rolled high playing Paranoia XP because you need to roll low for that one
Someone alert the Foundation, we got an scp on the loose 😂
Let him play call of cthulhu where the lower the roll the better and it is with two dice and see if it turns into high rolls all of a sudden with both too
I have a friend in a similar situation who I gave weighted dice to. Imagine my face when she's given weighted dice and STILL has the worst roles of the session.
So we've decided that HER using them is fair and balanced.
Thats golden
that is so fucking insane dude. 🤣😂 The fact that you all agree that she is so unlucky that it's absolutely fair that she use a weighted dice
Did ye, aye?
And God said: Nah B
Update, her average rolls did get a fair bit better in the months after we gave her those dice. hoping to one day lift the dice god's curse on her.
What I’m getting out of this is Wil needs to carry Madame Zeroni’s descendent up a mountain.
Yes! What a throw back!
I can't believe someone else knows "Holes"!
Just remember, he has to sing to her
"If only if only the woodpecker sighs, the bark on the tree was as soft as the skies and as the wolf howls at the moon, if only if only"
@@thehunterator520 I have not read that book in 20 years but I had to state that the second line is actually "While fhe wolf waits below, hungry and lonely; he cries to the moon, if only, if only."
And yet, when I leave the house for work I need a checklist to ensure I don't forget the actual shit I need
Thanks, English class! 😂
@@FORGOTTENMINDFREAK23 brains do be weird about what it keeps and what it leaves
I fear to see what would happen if he played with wild magic.
Would be playing for very long.
"Hey can your roll wild magic for me"
"Yeah I got whatever"
"Alright so that's a fireball centered around you....."
Ever heard of the Terrasque-Disco-incident?
@@voidjockey82 that’s a reference lmao
@@voidjockey82 its not Skipps fault entirely. A large city is a terrible place to keep a world devouring giant lizard prisoner.
@@voidjockey82 Yes!
Having watched loads of TableTop as well, Wil's dice curse is amazing. He rolls low for games where low is bad, but high for games where high is bad. His dice defy all logic and physical probabilities
I have the exact same curse, i thought I'm the only one that has this xD
I imagine that if he had someone ELSE roll dice for him, it would still be the same result as if he rolled them himself. RNGesus has something against him
This is accurate, he has said before, he doesn't roll low, he rolls wrong!
I really want to know, how has Wil Wheaton managed to not just be interested in DnD but have just as much fun as anyone else...I would've left in 2 sessions...
@@tahaabbas6616 Because at the end of the day the man is a giant geek and loves the games regardless. He embraces the bad rolls of the curse
“Take a shot every time Wil rolls a 1” would be deadly.
Thankfully since I can’t drink I’d be more than happy to accept that offer
You can do it with water you would still drown.
@@eliebinetruy ...within 5 minutes.
10 shots For D&D, and with the other game where the rules are reversed, I'm not sure.
Out of 54 rolls, ten were natural 1s, seven were 2s, four were 3s, four were 4s, and one was a 5, for a total of 26 = 48% of his dice rolls getting a 5 or lower.
On the other side of the dice, he rolled no 16, one 17 and one 18, two 19s, and a 20, for a total of 5 = 9% of his dice rolls getting higher than 15.
I did something similar for the first two “Slayers take”.
I recorded all of will’s rolls and I rolled several control dice. The control dice had averages between 9-11, which is expected for d20s which should have an average of 10.5.
Will’s rolls averaged a 7, which biased HIGH because some of those include modifiers that I couldn’t figure out.
50 d4 with 25 1s. V(25%) is 3/16 A is .25. 50 is 150/16 or about 10, SD is 3ish. A is 12.5. That is 4 SD more 1s than mean.
@@adamnevraumont4027 Deviate these NUTS
I am determined to get a die that has been blessed by Taliesin and cursed by Wil, if my prediction is correct, it will only ever roll a 1 or a 20
Is this the secret to how Travis rolls
Watch as it only ever rolls a 10
Either that or you just throw it and it *never* stops rolling, as the 1 and 20 are locked in a permanent battle to come out on top.
Silver lining though: you'll have created a perpetual motion machine.
Oh sure, just cause the universe to implode why don’t ya?
@@Tripas350 like when you stick buttered toast to the back of a cat?
Sam always says it's just dice, theres no auras or anything. yet he still wont touch Will Wheaton
I don't believe in magic but I still can't deny that a jinx can happen. At this point I'm not sure how to deal with these.
Exactly they are just dice. Wil is the problem.
Witches don't exist but they do fly. You don't mess with that shit, just on principle
@@x808drifter what the fuck is wil doing? Giving the dice a spin like a tennis ball?
Seriously if it turns out being on purpose this dude is a master of sleight of hand or whatever he does.
My dad and I play a bunch of table top games, particularly Warhammer 40k and DnD, and we have both agreed, he is the person that Will is talking about. He cannot roll bellow 17 for D20s or 5 for D6s for some unexplainable reason. He is the Ying to Will's Yang. The Anti-Wheaton. Whenever my mates and I even dare try and face him in 40k, our armies are disintegrated and our souls reduced to blasted wastelands.
Thank you Will, for brining balance to the force, your sacrifices will not be forgotten.
I wonder if they played together, would it balance out, stay the same, or create some unholy mathematical vortex.
Watching Matt just slowly & painfully lose his sanity over Wil's rolls is my favourite part of all of this.
That being said, I want to just, be his Dice Scribe. I want to record the rolls over any given session & just study them. I want to figure out what's happening.
It'd be like trying to understand unknownable beings in Lovecraft Mythos, you'll just lose your sanity.
You'd be writing the Wheatonomicon.
It truly is a curse that defies all known logic.
It's like the reverse observer effect. The universe _knows_ when he's rolling for real and it changes the outcome (to be poor) at all costs.
Wil Wheaton: *rolls almost always 1s*
Everyone: That’s impossible
Wil: Improbable
Inconceivable!
Downright unimaginable
@@bigdrew565 you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
@@linkofdoom24 What do you think it means?
@@extremity5462 it’s a princess bride quote (I’m assuming you’re being serious, sorry if you’re not)
the fact that matt describes it as some bloodline curse from an ancient relic, like its the plot of some treasure hunt movie just shows how much of a nerd he is and i love it
I am convinced Matt created the tragedy subclass just for Will
“There is someone on this planet who never rolls below a 17 and I was sent here TO BALANCE THEM OUT! TO SAVE THE WORLD FROM THE INEVITABLE BLACK HOLE”
That person he is talking about is Taliesin Jaffe.
ali from dimension 20?
I have this friend who never rolls bellow 16 so maybe it's him.
"YOU'RE WELCOME"
How did you misquote this that badly
I want someone to TEST this. I want a DETAILED list of all his past recorded dice rolls. I want him rolling via TOWER. I want him using DIGITAL DICE. I want to see the variation between him in PLAY and him just rolling for FUN. I WANT TO SCIENCE THE WHEATON DICE CURSE.
I don't know man... sounds like poking the hornet nest to me. There are somethings mankind aren't meant to comprehend, and those who try will either sink into madness or will find themselves with dire consequences for daring to even attempt to understand...
I feel sorry for the math coprocessor of any device with digital dice that he uses.
We have the series Wil did where he plays board games with other people (some TH-camrs, some other people he's worked with).
It's called a script
@@finalshade14 dude if you think CR is scripted, you clearly dont know how dungeons and dragons works
As someone who skipped these two episodes due to Orion being in them I wasn't privy to the sheer absurdity of the Wheaton dice curse. I thought it was a passing joke, something blown out of proportion. A minor occurrence that could be chalked up to simple bad luck over a few days. Something within the bounds of probability. The incomprehensible impossibility I have just witness has converted me. This man is truly and entirely cursed, and I don't wish his fortune upon anyone.
God I hope he reprises his role when the show gets to this point. I want to see Wil voice act this seemingly badass dwarf that ends up being so incredibly incompetent
The fact that he was in for a total of like 6 hours of gametime and in a video dedicated to only his bad rolls, he managed to consume 30 minutes. Nearly 1/12th of the runtime to ONLY bad rolls.
But there were how many others rolling? Plus matt rolling enemies and such......
@@incitingariot9925 half his roles were five and under
@@DeosPraetorian He rolled 54 times, and 10 of them were 1. That's 20% of the time, it lands on 1, out of 20 possible numbers. Or 1 out of every 5 times it lands on 1, not even counting 2s and 3s. He definitely pissed off some kind of eldritch god or something.
@@codyrose4519 26 of the rolls were 5 and under. 13 were 6-10. 10 were 11-15. 5 were 16-20
@@DeosPraetorian Statistically speaking, this represents a rather amusing and entirely impossible spread, assuming it remains consistent; ~50% of his rolls are 5 or lower; 25% are 6-10. 18% (I'd assume it ends up being closer to 15% with a larger spread) of his rolls are 11-15, and a meager 9% are above 5. The sad fact is that it definitely does remain consistent, no matter the dice, the system, or the situation. Wil Wheaton's rolls are weighted toward the worst possible result.
Those who cling to the belief that luck is just a falsehood, witness this.
I love how you can clearly see Matt getting slowly more and more terrified
Should have just asked him to subtract his roll from 21 to invert it, maybe it would confuse the curse? ... then I saw the second half, oh ... that curse isn't going anywhere!
There's something I've seen nobody talk about regarding what Will said at the start of the video, he said to Liam: "I hope you're not attached to anything about your character" and we all know Vax's tragic fate, so yeah, the curse did get to him in a way, technically speaking.
You can't just hit us with that what the fuck.
@@clauvyuga I mean
He kinda did
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Man, I had heard Matt's rant about this before, but I assumed Will just rolled, you know, a couple bad rolls. But no, it's literally dozens. Are we absolutely sure he wasn't rolling a d6?
It's incredible to witness. On several TableTop episodes there are games where you *want* to roll low. Will rolls high on those games. Whatever is bad in the game, that's what he'll roll, virtually without fail
@@VegetaLF7 He needs to do some cleansing rituals or something, I've seen a oneshot with him like that and some of the CR cast where a nat 1 is the best.... and HIS FIRST ROLL WAS A NAT20!!!!!
@@OriginalCreatorSama It's incredible, seriously! The man is cursed, there's no other way to describe it. Simple probability would have him potentially rolling as many 20's as he would 1's, but it just doesn't happen unless it's a roll that doesn't count or where high = bad!
I think i have the same curse as Wil, doesn't matter what Game I'm playing, if it has Dice involved I will roll always whats the worst number in that given Game.
Funny story: The first time i told this a group of Friends they handed me a D20, I rolled it and got a 1
How many rolls does he actually make I need to know how math breaking this is
Thousands of years ago the Wheaton‘s family upset Taliesin in a game of dice he rolled 20 after 20 after 20 Taliesin lost a lot of money that night and cursed the family forever
I believe it
The sequel to into the woods
Honestly if anyone has the power to curse someone in such a way it would be Taliesin
Makes perfect sense to me
My favourite part is that it's generations upon generations on Wil's side, but Taliesin Jaffe is still Taliesin Jaffe.
It is more impressive that the curse can transfer a little. If I remember the fight correctly, he had an ability to command others to attack during his turn. Probably an attempt to get around the dice curse.
He ordered Keyleth to attack and then she rolled low on every attack he ordered her to do. I don't think she landed a single attack that was ordered by Thorbir.
Just watched this episode last week, can confirm
My friend rolled an UNNATURAL amount of natural 20's in our campaign, with ONE particular dice, which happened to be from a Chthulu set. He played a barbarian. This was descent into avernus. Devils didn't stand a chance
Ah yes, the session that made Taliesin bring a smudge stick to cleanse the air.... and he still rolled a one that session.
He really should have gotten some preists from at least 6 different faiths for preform an exorcism on the spot to really cleanse it
I appreciate how he didn't go for a sorcerer or a wizard, someone that casts spells that requires the enemy to roll.
He purposefully went for the class that requires him to roll the most on HIS end
I do the opposite, in my group I roll really well (annoying when I DM and get 3/4 nat 20 attacks, using the same online generator as everyone else) so I useally play bards, which mainly make people roll against my save.
He came into this with something to prove man. They all mentioned that they'd heard about the curse and never believed it, and Thorbir was designed to show how a powerful character can struggle with bad rolls
@@SirFerrickWanderer I actually thought he decided to make an ironic character, where his backstory was that he was really seasoned and experienced but because of his rolls he end up being extremely incompetent.
I mean, you're half-right. Saves are a useful loophole, but if he wants a character to do damage he's gonna have to roll dice eventually. Few things hurt as much as rolling 11 on 6d8.
@@VivaLaDnDLogs I mean coming from Will I wouldn't be surprised that he somehow managed to deal a 5 dmg on a 6d8 XD.
I created a god of misfortune as a twin of tymora (or whatever god of luck I happen to use) named for Mr Wheaton.
If anyone happens to roll two 20s in a row for the next 24 hours lady luck is with them and they can instead of rolling choose to automatically crit on any 3 roll, once per turn in combat.
If they roll two 1s then for the next 24 hours they are in the presence of Wheaton and the DM chooses 3 rolls to auto fail. Rarely used in combat.
I genuinely went through 5 stages of grief while watching this.
I added a cursed necklace to my game to honor Thorbir. Any time a d20 would be rolled you must roll a d4 instead. Removing the curse is now the number one priority.
That is truly evil and I both love and hate it
that's amazing
I have a D16, and I've been debating making it my "your character is cursed" die. So that way one player can never roll a crit
So by the end of the Campaign, Vax had the most Natural 1s at somewhere around 60. That's over the course of a 100 and some odd change episodes.
Will has 10 in just the two episodes he's in.
Based on that math, Will would have rolled a total of 500 Natural 1s if he had been in from the beginning.
Additionally, half of Wil's total rolls were 5 or less.
ah but you forget his curse breaks both math and physics so now that you said it would be closer to 700-10000 Nat 1s
So Vax, who Player sat next to Will for 2 sessions, rolled the most Nat 1s after sitting next to Will?
@@AresAlpha oh shit, your right
I think every time someone breaks down just how absurd Will Wheaton's dice rolls are (statistically, comparatively, fuck it even casually) it makes it more terrifying lmao. It's eldritch.
his rant when he finally nails a 20 is majestic.
I love how Matt starts to sound exasperated describing yet another fail.
I love how everyone starts off chuckling because they think Wil is just being pessimistic. Everyone has bad days, etc.
Over the course of these sessions, they go from "wouldn't it be funny" to "haha, it's happening" to "wow, maybe you're right" to "how is this even possible" and finally to "this is honestly terrifying".
The five stages of The Curse...
To put it into perspective: Wil Wheaton's Tabletop series was pre-edited, but he _still_ rolled consistently terrible. They had no good rolls to cut to.
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This sounds about right for matt mercer being a player as well
@@jordanl.8509 Sixth stage: "The curse... is... REAL..."
DM Wil Wheaton must just be DnD on easy mode
See Titansgrave for reference.
Unless he rolls luck, then a meteor is going to the hit the lvl 5 players for no reason.
He would need to throw a Tarasque for it to be even a challenge
No..... No... It's survival mode. Old eps of TableTop showed this. While playing one of the games where he was desperately trying to avoid being the villian, he ended up as said villian, and then he TPK'ed the rest of the players.
No, you don't understand, he rolls *wrong*, not bad. So as a DM, he rolls constant natural 20s and TPKs the party.
Having never watched the curse in action until today, I am amazed... It's like watching a train wreck; it's horrible, awful, but you just can't stop watching it unfold...
Go watch his TableTop series on Geek and Sundry, he plays a variety of other table top games with various guests (always a pretty fun bunch too) and whenever a game involves dice you can see the curse on full display there too.
I loved everyone's reaction when Khary Payton guest starred in S2 and brought a d20 Wil Wheaton touched.
Always assumed a wieghted die for the luls but no matt made him switch
I was thinking the same thing. he has to be using weighted dice for shits and giggles. but I forgot matt traded him dice.
@@ItsAnotherDanny Remember also that d20's have the numbers placed in a specific way as to lessen the effect of weighted dice. 19 is next to 1 and 2 is next to 20. If his dice were weighted to give him more 1's, it's incredibly unlikely for him to also roll this many 2's since the 2 is almost on the opposite side of the die.
Also in TableTop, when the game requires low rolls to win he always rolled 18s to 20s
I am curious how dice weighted favorably would interact with the curse, would it just even his rolls out or would it just over power the weighted dice
@@melonman6522 gravity is no match for this supreme power. Noone can defeat the entity...
I love talisen.. "I used sage covered in dragons blood.".... "I'm not kidding"
Dragon's blood is actually a type of resin used for making incense and tinctures!
@@briandaaranda9735 I was unaware of that! But im pretty sure he slayed an actual dragon and keeps the blood around.
@@briandaaranda9735 its also apparently an extremely good mosquito repellant
Dragon's Blood incense is something used in spellcraft as a power booster, of sorts. I use it when I need a major kick in the ass to whatever magick I'm doing. Combined with sage, that's essentially purging negativity by bathing the area in theoretical dragonfire. Tal was NOT fucking around.
@@thatonedudea I'm pretty sure he HAS Dragon's Blood and just cuts himself...
Major props to Will for just embracing it instead of getting mad and quitting however long ago lol
The audible *thump* of Liam at 0:4:09 just makes this whole thing even better!
The audible *thunk* of Liam's head hitting the table makes it for me 4:08
And then Matt’s slightly terrified laugh when he realizes
you must commend his ability to continue on with dice games.
Hopefully he doesnt gamble lol.
He's said several times on his gaming channel that this is the reason he avoids games with dice. Like, literally, this is such a problem for him it ruins most games. Like a vegetarian trapped at a BBQ.
Having started watching Campaign 3 recently, I believe the halfling passive Liam is enjoying with protection against 1 rolls is a direct sideeffect of Will's existence :p
Wil and Matt hugging should've been a matter-antimatter reaction and caused a thermonuclear-level explosion.
Matt at start of video: "I don't want to physically touch Wil." Matt at end of video: hugs Wil.
Matt was actually worried about tpking the group that night
@@Unacknowledged86 their mistake was thinking wil's curse would give matt "bad" aka low rolls, but no, it gives BAD rolls the rolls matt as DM does not want to roll because they might tpk and he doesn't want that. good thing only a little bit of curse rubbed off.
The "20 motherf**ker" absolutely cracked me up. The fact that Will Wheaton is such a good sport about it is very awesome.
Will Wheaton is awesome, the pure joy when he rolls that 20 is just so infectious.
What’s scary is also the fact that he throws a dice away from the table, it’s a 3 and then what he rolls on the table is also a 3. It’s crazy.
Will Wheaton played the strongest Lv 0 commoner dwarf.
Except that the average value a commoner rolls is 10.5. He's literally getting beaten by COMMONERS.
I was gonna say that Wil should only play as halflings for the rerolls... but then he would just roll 2's and 3's!😂
Dice curses don't care, and if you try to cheat the curse, it will make you pay.
@@tsnap4 it will make him somehow roll a zero.
He should be a rogue where he can’t roll below a ten when he’s proficient
Will should have backstory that if he roll enough 1's the world will take the effect for him
@@imranhamidon4064 I like the idea of a backstory for his crummy rolling!😂
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Can I just say I admire the level of this curse's vindictiveness? I mean, when the roles were reversed and Wil was playing a game where rolling LOWER was actually BETTER then the dice curse literally said, "welp, guess WHAT? NOW YOU ROLL HIGH!" That's spiteful. I can at least respect that.
Back in 1982 or 1983, a friend who was running a D&D campaign showed me the latest issue of Dragon magazine which had an article about creating and playing a barbarian. I was so on board! While rolling his stats, I rolled 18/00 for his strength (how appropriate). But in the course of playing the game, this guy couldn't hit the broadside of an orc! Every time I rolled, I missed. Until, the character only had 5 or less hit points left; then suddenly I was rolling hits and often criticals. With his strength, he became a lawn mower to the monsters. Myself and the other players were discussing this odd behaviour of the dice and it got to the point where the archer in our party would shoot my character in the back just to knock his hit points down so he would "go berserk". I literally had no control over this, it was just how the dice worked for that character. He was truly a berserker barbarian would defeat death at the last moment.
That's frigging hilarious- I love hearing old stories like that.
Bro wasn't even playing a character you just actually channeled the spirit of an ancient warrior
Will Wheaton's reaction to rolling a 20 at 14:07 is the same reaction I would have if I won the lottery. Same odds too.
Got 20 in one game and i did just what will did and said.
I’d be more likely to get in the will of bill gates then Wil getting 2 Nat 20s in a row.
And then Icarus Wheaton literally Nat1 on the next roll two minutes later is utterly riddiculous and utterly hillarious. From winning the lottery to having a lightning bolt strike you.
They should have invited him for the whenever you're rolling natural one you pay $100 thing for campaign two
He always roles wrong, not low. Probably would have roled a lot of 2s.
The sponsors would have bailed out.
@@lauravturner “we will give 100 dollars for every natural one, BUT WHEATON CANT PLAY”
They don't want to bankrupt him
Liam through all of these is amazing, he is the first hand witness to the curse and just can’t believe it eithe