@@josephschultz3301 Yeah he did, not sure when but it's been mentioned in videos and/or the podcast 😊. Mostly joking about going through getting it and not using it 🤣
@@DaniCal1forn1a That's awesome to hear. I love it whenever Mark and Wade run into a legal question and ask Bob what the specifics involved with it would entail. Given that law's an incredibly complicated field, it's pretty helpful to have a lawyer around whenever those kind of questions pop up. Good for Bob :D
Bob: ''I'm a bad person.'' Wade: ''Yeah, you're right.'' Mark: ''woah'' Bob: '' . . . '' Wade: '' . . . Oh.'' my favorite moment from this podcast just the way Wade jumps in xD
The fact that he says "I did x for a good intention but inconvenienced this person" proves that he is a good person. He may have inconvenienced someone but presented it as a bad thing, there for is aware of his faults and trying to be good.
I don't think anyone is inherently good or bad... Diane from Bojack horseman summed it up really well in the show where she says "we're the choices we make" and sometimes you do "good" and "bad" whether on purpose or not. Like Bob said I see people do shitty things and think "I would never do that" then think and realize I absolutely have before. No one makes the "right" decision everytime even someone saintly has a skeleton in their closest whether its bug size or a person size
@@simularfreak9232 well, we could go into this topic… What you are doing is called a red herring argument, but we can indulge your argument. From the stand point that most everyone has, yes Hitler did a lot of bad things. He enforced the murder of thousands of people. However, he is one of the first government officials to create animal right regulations in Germany, 1933. He loved animals, painted, and supported his family. However, the wrongs he did out weighs the good he did. This was a discussion in my philosophy class a few years back. Basically, yes Hitler did a LOT of really really horrible, terrible things. However. How many Hitlers has there been in history? How many people have done that much destruction compared to how many people have done good in the world that has gained enough traction to be news worthy? There are a lot of people who have done horrible things, and there are a lot more people who have done good. There are a lot more scientists, doctors, and others who have done good in this world than Hitlers in the world. I don’t know if that helps, hope it does
I would like to disagree. I have killed a bug and felt really bad about it. But then after that I've probably murdered several bugs. It still makes me a bad person for taking a life. Suppose u have to kill someone to make money to feed ur child. You will feel bad but u still do it because u can't let ur child starve TLDR-: good/bad is always subjective. Nothing is black and white. It's all a grey blob in the end which is a product of the society around us.
@@mayavil That’s not called being a bad person, it’s called doing a bad action. Your actions can be good or bad, and you have to compare how much good/bad you do as a whole
I had a spychiatrist friend summarize this once for me: You have two instincts or voices in your head. The first one you hear is the one society teaches you to respond with (hearing that nasty insult or that morbid thought or maybe even a positive take depending on your influneces), and the second voice you hear, the knee jerk reaction immediately after that, that's you. She said this to me, because I worried I could hear my dad insulting overweight people or different races in my head and I worried... was that me? And she asked me "what's the second voice sound like?" I said "She's hurt and immediately says, not that's NOT ok, be nice and don't take things out on people and make up reasons to hate." And she smiled at me and said "You're voice is much kinder than your dad's." I about cried. And to this day I hear her now in my mind as well, and it brings me such comfort and joy. I am forever grateful for our talk that day.
I think we all want to believe we're the second voice, but just having that first presence, as I know I do, makes it hard to. It makes you feel like you're pretending. That you're playing at being a good person. But you know what? Even if that were true, that's a step above what some people in your life have done. You at least think about your horrible thoughts, react to them, and then say "that's not okay" and that's important. I say that, though, and I still consider myself a shitty person for the immediate thoughts. It terrifies me that someone I care about could possibly know about that asswipe first voice and how they might react.
Literally the only reason i wasn't listening Now i'm binging the whole thing😂 Who's great idea was it to take TH-camRS and have them make content OUTSIDE of youtube?!
I had no good reason not to just use the other podcast site, I just didn't want to. Well, that and I guess it's something new you have to learn to navigate which... fuck that, but mostly just lazy.
My favorite thing about Wade is that he is absolutely silly ridiculous and funny but then there's moments like this where he is incredibly serious and philosophical and deep. I love that we have both of those in one guy. Same with Mark and Bob but I love it the most in Wade
Honestly this is probably one of my favorite podcasts. Morality is an intriguing subject sure but the rabbit hole of its exploration and the goofy personalities of the individuals discussing it makes it really engaging on a podcast level. Don’t apologize for these kinds of discussion. I especially like how mark took the most ludicrous example of observation and brought it all hope. That was gold.
I always try to remember that everyone is just trying to live their life, and very few things are done intentionally. I think its on the person who immediately assumed you were trying to be rude, rather than giving you grace.
To Wade's point, I always look to these guys when I'm feeling down. Listening to them gives me the feeling of just chilling with friends, and that's not something I really have in my life, so I appreciate their online presence.
I know this podcast is a little old at the moment but this one really had me thinking and I think I understand Bob. You believe that what you've done is wrong because if it happened to you, you would think it's bad. I've had this thought process before and it makes things really difficult on your perspective of yourself. However, what Wade says is also very valid on intent. If your intention was malicious then it is bad. However, if your intention was good but something bad came from it, then it was a mistake. An unfortunate mistake which can be really harmful but your intent was not to do so. So long as you don't mean to cause harm, I believe that you are not bad. We mess up, things happen and sometimes we just don't understand stuff which I have seen in many people which is why I try to be open minded which is really really hard and you can't be that way all the time. It is really hard but I believe that there is more conscious good rather than conscious bad
8:19 I thought kangaroos had a habit of tossing their babies out of their pouches if they’re being chased by a predator so that there’s a better chance of escaping?
I think if any other species had the same intellect as us I think theyd just do the same thing. Animals are just as brutal as we are, we’re just better at it.
The trolley problem, two people on one track and one on the other. Which way do you flip the lever? Do you save the two or the one? Hidden third option: Lay down next to the one dude so it evens things out, but make sure the trolley is switched to the original two ;D
The thing is, humanity is YOUNG. We are barbaric/selfish because we are young and don't hold onto the cultural evolution's of the past well. Plenty of cultures were better then us in any given way in the past, such as being more honorable. Should we survive into the future we will grow out of our bad habits and into better ones. With the internet, the cultures of the world will homogenize into something that can grow all at once and retain it's evolutionary progress.
We are also so smart we're dumb. Rich people and ignorant religious people are the biggest thing that's killing us and the other planet. We also think it's okay to continue to produce to many kids rather than adopt.
@Jayden Aiken Literally look at any company who manufactures/maintains something that harms the climate. They don't care about the aftereffects, they just care about how much money they're about to make.
I wouldn't say we'd be the first to create our own extinction. Have you heard of the Great Oxygenation Event? It's when the very first photosynthesizers appeared and began filling Earth's atmosphere with oxygen for the first time, which set off a huge chain of events that ended up killing most of life on Earth, including the ones who created these events in the first place. However, because of them, Earth became what it is today and now most of life on Earth depends on this oxygen. Similarly, when an animal reaches a new area it sometimes outcompetes the native wildlife, and sometimes can even eat too much and cause its own destruction by throwing off the balance of the ecosystem. In our history, this has often been our fault, but before we existed, things like this happened too. Humans like to think we're unique, and maybe we are in some ways, but if anything exists on a large enough scale, it can have grand consequences and change the environment, and since many organisms are adapted to a specific environment, this can deadly in many cases. We're one of the lucky species that is pretty generalized and so we can survive in many different types of environments. However, if anything, it kind of proves that we're just like every other animal if even we, with all our unique abilities, are not able to prevent our own destruction.
If you've ever flown, you probably know that in an emergency you're instructed to secure your mask before helping anyone else- children included. That's because if you end up passing out due to lack of oxygen, both you AND the person you were going to help are in significantly more danger. The greatest chance of survival for the most people in any given situation lies in everyone saving themselves FIRST, and then doing what they can for others. Creatures are wired in a way that prioritizes survival for the species as a whole. We have a baseline want to help everyone else, but in situations where we're nervous at all, our first instinct is normally to forget everyone else and do what we need for ourselves for this exact reason. Wade's right, we haven't really evolved past everything being life or death, but selfish instinct to some degree isn't bad and it's actually better for humanity if we're speaking broadly. It's just got to be in moderation, like everything else.
if any other dumb podcast group talked about this subject, it'd make me feel depressed as hell, but distractible talked about this and didn't get me feeling sad at all
It doesn't make you as sad when you know it's coming. We're supposed to die off by 2050 due to climate change. Which is sad because we'll be going away long before our due time.
@@corypowercat7277 yeah i heavily doubt that, humans are extremely adaptable through technology. We will very likely survive, as will many animals, polar animals are fucked though
Personally I think most people have the capacity and the desire to do good things, but at the same time it's very easy to get lost in day to day life, thinking about what you're going to eat or something that happened at work or just dealing with your own mind everyday its easy to forget things and make a mistake, cut someone off or get in the wrong lane or accidentally ignore someone. does that make you a bad person? I don't believe that it does, I think about the actions of others a lot and its easy to forget that everyone is just trying to make it through their own problems, you don't have to be an angel 100% of the time to be a good person. However that does not mean there are no bad people, but its not so cut and dry. People can be assholes sometimes but be a good person, and people can be thoughtful and be a bad person. It all comes down to the choices you make and how you affect the people around you
I was once told that your first thought is conditioned/taught to you but your second thought is how you truly are. This has helped me a lot especially when there are intrusive thoughts or actions
I think that one argument that I seldom seeing in this debate, especially with topics that talk about something like "which animals which are better will replace humans when we die" is the fact that no animals are better than humans. The reason humans are even able to come up with being mean to others, being just overall the worst in humanity and having these cognitive thoughts that are just bad for everybody else is the fact that the only reason we came up with these things in the first place is *because* of our intelligence and our ability to grow a self-esteem and perceive the world around us. The moment the next animal comes up with an intelligence to match humans and take over the planet as bipedal beings they will almost certainly be the same as us because that is inherent in all living beings. We've always had the mindset for millions of years this hierarchy, an "alpha" male and "the weak die" mentality but only when we become intelligent do these thoughts become a reality and things we actually think about. Before that they are just instinctual, "oh I lost to another one of my species because I wasn't strong enough" and that's normal because that's the way the natural life is. Animals live to breathe, reproduce, then die, and most of the time they are selfish and only look out for themselves because their instincts tell them to survive no matter what. Once you insert a subconscious and intelligence into the equation that's when things change. Our selfish animal instincts become subdued but our intelligent minds make them a more subtler yet more intense reality, and that's the interesting thing to think about
I'd have to disagree. I believe that there are creatures out there that, if they were to become as intelligent as humans would build a much better society than humans. Take a colony of ants for example, or bees. Creatures such as these that inherently serve a greater good would almost definitely have a better society than we do.
@@AteasDhavar Leaving aside the fact that it's biologically impossible for an insect to be large enough to have a human-sized brain, their violent territorialism, literal groupthink, and tendency to just throw drones at a problem until it goes away mean that a human-scale society of bees or ants would almost certainly be _super_ fascist. Their "greater good" is effectively just nationalism.
@@sheepking9540 You have a valid point, sir...madam? Whatever your preference might be. But I was going under the assumption that the creature in question is to evolve to be capable of human level intelligence. I believe that was prompt. So if an insect colony were to reach such a state and be the dominant species on the planet, I think it would create a better society than we have. All be it, you're probably right in that it would a more fascist society, but a more uniform global society.
@Soulless Ginger Woah, what are you saying "No animals are better than humans" where in that entire sentence did I mention anything about humans being *better* than animals? What I'm trying to say is that *humans are and always were equal to animals*. The thing that makes humans different and arguably more despicable is our cognitive minds and our ability to make our selfish tendencies into a reality. Maybe I have yet to clarify, but during my original comment I was thinking more along the line of "wild animals". Obviously, animals domesticated by humans are on a completely different level from wild animals, and humans have grown to love some if not most of these domesticated animals as our companions or our friends. I admit, the statement of "no animals are better than humans" may be bit stretching it, but I still stand by the notion that most animals are selfish because that's what biology dictates their evolution to be, to survive and to thrive *no matter what*. Also, please don't assume my personality. "You're probably one of those guys that say animals don't have souls or emotions", that's just very rude and completely unnecessary. I have a dog, so that statement is frankly appalling to me.
Just like Bob mentioned people assume the worst about people. But recently I’ve been “assuming the kindness reason they are acting like a dum dum” I read from a TH-cam comment that someone’s teacher taught them that.
Bob: "You can't have breakast for lunch, that's not a thing. Me: "But what about Sonic Drive-In Ultimate Meat and Cheese Breakfast Burrito? How DARE you....."
Humanity IS the worst, I'm so tired of being part of it.. I can't sleep or rest because of the problems I'm facing.. If only there was a customer service center where I can return the life that was forced upon me.. 😭
Bob "I need to take this exit now" and changing 2 or 3 lanes to get to that exit. Me using Google maps and knowing what exit I need ahead of time keeping to the right lane 1 mile ahead.
Mark: I've never experienced a human making me watch them eat their own poop. Me: remembering a moment from [REDACTED] where both Ethan and Mark found such a video
People are all bad. We're born being tempted to do the wrong things. It takes being taught to learn how to do good, and it's something people have to strive for their whole life. It's also something that you WILL fail at sometimes because no one is perfect. For anyone wondering, this is what the majority of Christians believe. If you think we think we're better, we don't, we just work very hard at trying to be better because we KNOW how awful people are. Also, to Bob's point towards the end, I do try to live my life being compassionate towards others. When someone tailgates me I worry about whether they're trying to get to a hospital. When a cashier is rude I wonder if they're having a bad day. And yeah, your immediate reaction is often "what a jerk" but I try to keep things in perspective. I received training for a job at a pharmacy that helped with that. It showed various people interacting and for example one person would have the text "dhe just found out she's pregnant" and the other would say "she just had a miscarriage." We encountered a lot of sick people or relatives of sick people in the pharmacy so we were heavily trained to not react to them being rude to us because the BEST case scenario was they were coming to do an annoying errand.
When it comes to morality, you are the only one holding yourself up to scrutiny. You set the standards, most of the time your the only witness to whatever choise you made. If you find your actions inexcusable and are unable to live with them then yes, you are 'bad', by your own standards. The point is to change as you notice these discrepancies
Bob around the 20:00 mark was making the exact point in David Foster Wallace's speech "This is Water". It's an amazing read and it gives an interesting perspective on how you affect others.
I’m amazed, honestly. I thought it was rare that some were in the small percentages of people in the world that disliked humanity as a whole. I for one, from a realistic standpoint, hate humanity. I never thought Bob would have that similar of a standpoint I have, at all. I’m not saying that I deserve the Earth or I’m better in any way, cause I do those bad things too, in a daily life scenario. Humans, as an entire species, do not deserve the Earth. I’ve been saying humans are a cancer to this Earth we live on since I was 14 years of age. Meaning, for 14 to 15 years, I have felt humans do not deserve the Earth, the sentience or the abilities, as livings things, we have been given. We just don’t, we don’t deserve none of it. Keep in mind- I’m not speaking from a religious standpoint. I’m not religious in the slightest, mind you. I believe in the science behind things. (The religion Scientology, is fucking stupid; just to be clear.) Edit: But I digress, I’m no one to be determining what’s deserved and not deserved by any species. This is just my opinion.
Wow. When someone wanders into Wades parlor, he sits them THE FUCK DOWN. AND DROPS SOME GOD DAMN KNOWLEDGE. Philosophy is all shades of grey. Humanity brings color with the best, worst, and everything in between. Good man, Mr. Wade. Well done.
these kinds of topics are always so interesting because it shows just how complicated and multi-faced morality can be. not only are there so many individual variations of good and bad, there's also the grey areas and the personal experiences of each person that shape their own mindset. someone's "horrible" and be another person's "pretty great", and they are both true to each person. then we judge other's based on our own version of the correct morality. but objectively, no one can ever truly say whether something is good or bad since everyone has their own definitions. it's all so fascinating!
I think this episode is interesting because it touches on a lot of not just philosophy, but also biopsychology. A lot of what Bob was talking about with seeing the rude things people do, thinking "I would never do that," then realizing he does do those things sometimes IS a psychological thing. It's a big part of Attribution Theory, where we tend to attribute someone else doing something rude to their personality ("wow, they cut someone off in traffic, they must be a jerk!") vs attributing us doing the same thing to the situation ("I'm running late, I HAD to cut that person off!"). This specifically relates to the Fundamental Attribution Error and Actor-Observer Bias respectively. What Bob was explaining was just him becoming aware of Attribution Theory. It's something deeply rooted in our psychology that makes us act and think this way. Of course, there's many other psychological aspects to this as well, but that was a prominent one. I consider myself to be a rational optimist. I like to see the good in people and humanity, but I know when to recognize the bad, the shortcomings, etc. No one person is born inherently good or bad, morality is something we develop over time (biopsychologically, there IS a part of our brain in the frontal lobe that is attributed to morality), but I'll say this: humanity HAS to be somewhat good. Homo spaiens truly could not have evolved and survived to be where we are today WITHOUT some empathy and compassion. We have always been social animals. We were never built to survive on our own pre-civilization. We've always HAD to live and work in groups. So I can understand the lack of faith in humanity, because there's a lot that we believe to be bad/wrong/immoral/harmful to ourselves and the rest of the biosphere. But it's important to remember that we could not have gotten here at all if humanity was truly all bad or even mostly bad. To exist as we are, we need enough good in our species to outweigh the bad in order for the species to continue living. And this is where I'll agree with Mark that we WILL cause our own extinction if we get to the point where the bad outweighs the good. This is not meant to discount a philosophical perspective at all, but rather add some scientific philosophy to this conversation.
Also i have a mentality that I'd this. If the bigger picture will be good in any case, move your mental state down to the smaller picture. If the smaller picture is ok in any case, move your mentality to the self picture. If you'll be ok in any situation, amazing, everything's fine!!
I relate to Bob so much in this, and not only in the way that my name is also bob, but I do do selfish things and I am also concerned with what people think about me. The context of selfish actions is also extremely important, because literally everyone will do something selfish, and determining why says so much. If I told my ex to go F**k herself, I sound like an ass don't I? But if I tell you they were toxic, impulsive, and frustrating, it can change how you see my statement. Context is everything, and I think Bob is a great person with realistic limits and ideas.
I held off on this episode for a while because I hate misanthropy and wasn't sure what to expect, but I actually really enjoyed it. Was nice to see Wade approaching the question philosophically and the conversation was interesting and engaging.
If someone cuts me off in traffic, most of the time I choose to believe that they actually DO need to get somewhere faster than me. They might be rushing home to a child that is injured or something. That isn't THEIR responsibility, for what you choose to believe, that is on you. If they have valid reason then they aren't bad people, and if you recognize that it could be the case that they have valid reason....you aren't either.
14:11 Well, in space, if we're being serious, even if we did turn the rockets off the earth would keep moving slowly out to space. Because there is no air resistance in space and, by Newton's first law, objects in motion stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force. Or the earth just gets pulled back to its orbit by the sun, if the momentum wasn't enough. 🤷♀️
This reminds me of the "10-80-10" rule. If you took 100 random people, 10 are probably in a place in their life, through struggles, that they lash out as a form of defense mechanism. These people will harm you. It could manifest from their character (people who commit crimes) or from their environment (people who cut you off because they're in a rush). On the other end of the spectrum are the 10 people who actually have a life of abundance. These are the people that pull over on the side of the road to help you change that tire or the multitude of wealthy people who fund, operate and donate to charities. The 80% in the middle are the everyday everybody that most of us reside in. Sometimes you're the 80 sometimes you're the lower 10 or the upper 10, it depends on MANY factors in your life. The challenge comes from the concept of "sunsets and car accidents." Traffic slows down to a stop with everyone who wants to gawk at a car accident but traffic doesn't stop to see the beauty of a sunset. Media takes this by taking the bottom 10 of people and parading them through news outlets. And truth be told it is only the small portion of that 10. 1% of 1% commit crimes; 1% of 1% are racist; 1% of 1% abuse their power; however, that minute minority make it on the news making the entire group wrongly accountable. I believe most people are good
On the top of the baby is it's very weird because I remember reading something that explains why it's so difficult nowadays and yes there is an upper limit but GMOs studies have shown that they make babies bigger and combined with an improper birth position because the laying on your back which if I remember correctly King Louie the 8th was the one who instilled that idea because he wanted to watch(he just liked watching that's all) the natural position is either on all fours or squatting it helps you dilate more people are trying to get back to the natural Way that actually works but Western medicine seems to resist that idea even though there is actual proof to the data...
There is no western medicine, there is just medicine. People in medical school in Shanghai and boston are learning the same things. Still interesting information
As someone raised by a narcissistic family, you can end up on the severe other side of the spectrum. Everything I do, anything I think about I'm considering everyone around me before myself. There are a few boundaries I've learned to put up recently, at least here at home, but overall I'm almost entirely thinking about what I'm doing and how it impacts everyone around me. Though honestly it's exhausting, there is no automatic actions it's always a hyper awareness of everyone around me and how things might make them react or impact them. You end up raised with you care about someone else before you care about yourself, and that ended up translating into everything being about everyone else. It's things like oh if I miss a turn, I would rather go around the block or find an alternate path instead of potentially cutting someone off or inconveniencing them. If I might end up inconveniencing someone by crossing a road at a certain spot, I'll choose to go another block before I cross even if it makes the walk longer. Stuff like that. I do very much dislike humans in general, but my first thought if someone does something rude (unless it's specifically obviously rude) I just assume they were struggling in some way or didn't notice or misunderstood something.
Although he didn't really say it I feel like Bob mightve been getting things in a newer hopeful way towards the end. Seeing how his intentions weren't bad and how others might not mean things in a bad way and how we might frame things in a bad way when we don't know people's story. Hopefully everyone got something good outta this one!
Hating humanity is a sign of narcissism and self righteous sure humanity is naturally bad but that includes the person who says(myself included). Which Bob hit on but now we got nowhere but up. Keep trying don’t fall to futility because life isn’t futile good luck.
I don't hate humanity I just give up in expecting anything good from humans and i'm not surprised when humans are cruel assholes because of I don't have any expectations
Galadriel: Mithrandir, why the Halfling? Gandalf: I do not know. Saruman believes that it is only great power that can hold evil in check. But that it is not what I’ve found. I’ve found it is the small things, every act of normal folk that keeps the darkness at bay - simple acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps it is because I am afraid, and he gives me courage. Not direct Tolkien but gives the same sentiment.
I'm sure a lot of us sometimes forget that Wade majored in philosophy.
A fun and interesting to pursue degree that can only make you money if you go on to teach philosophy xD .
Still a great course though.
Or the fact that Bob is actually a Lawyer.
@@thelaughingrouge Did Bob get his law degree? If so, awesome. Supes proud of him, yo.
@@josephschultz3301 Yeah he did, not sure when but it's been mentioned in videos and/or the podcast 😊. Mostly joking about going through getting it and not using it 🤣
@@DaniCal1forn1a That's awesome to hear. I love it whenever Mark and Wade run into a legal question and ask Bob what the specifics involved with it would entail. Given that law's an incredibly complicated field, it's pretty helpful to have a lawyer around whenever those kind of questions pop up.
Good for Bob :D
I actually appreciate the philosophical Wade. It’s refreshing.
I like this side of him. It's odd to hear since he's usually so silly.
Agreed, that depth was surprising but so good
Better than Elvis wade
Wickedly Wonder Wade
The wisdom of Wadefucious.
Wade is really smart and profoundly dumb simultaneously. He is the best of both worlds.
To come to great wisdom, one must be unafraid to start a fool.
Honestly Mark is too
He is the Patrick Starfish of Distractible
I believe you mean he is the best of both Wades
Bob: ''I'm a bad person.''
Wade: ''Yeah, you're right.''
Mark: ''woah''
Bob: '' . . . ''
Wade: '' . . . Oh.''
my favorite moment from this podcast
just the way Wade jumps in xD
Time stamp so I can show my friend easier please? Just a lazy request
@@patrickprice5654 21:05
The fact that he says "I did x for a good intention but inconvenienced this person" proves that he is a good person.
He may have inconvenienced someone but presented it as a bad thing, there for is aware of his faults and trying to be good.
I don't think anyone is inherently good or bad... Diane from Bojack horseman summed it up really well in the show where she says "we're the choices we make" and sometimes you do "good" and "bad" whether on purpose or not. Like Bob said I see people do shitty things and think "I would never do that" then think and realize I absolutely have before. No one makes the "right" decision everytime even someone saintly has a skeleton in their closest whether its bug size or a person size
hitler?
@@simularfreak9232 well, we could go into this topic… What you are doing is called a red herring argument, but we can indulge your argument. From the stand point that most everyone has, yes Hitler did a lot of bad things. He enforced the murder of thousands of people. However, he is one of the first government officials to create animal right regulations in Germany, 1933. He loved animals, painted, and supported his family. However, the wrongs he did out weighs the good he did. This was a discussion in my philosophy class a few years back. Basically, yes Hitler did a LOT of really really horrible, terrible things. However. How many Hitlers has there been in history? How many people have done that much destruction compared to how many people have done good in the world that has gained enough traction to be news worthy? There are a lot of people who have done horrible things, and there are a lot more people who have done good. There are a lot more scientists, doctors, and others who have done good in this world than Hitlers in the world. I don’t know if that helps, hope it does
Well said
@@elirin3246 Good point.
Hitler is the result of combining an abused child, product of incest, government power, a bleeding heart, and pure vitriol.
Pppfffft noone doesn learn sh/t in bojack horsemen
You see Bob, for feeling bad about doing bad things, you're good. Cause bad people don't feel bad about doing bad things.
I would like to disagree. I have killed a bug and felt really bad about it. But then after that I've probably murdered several bugs. It still makes me a bad person for taking a life.
Suppose u have to kill someone to make money to feed ur child. You will feel bad but u still do it because u can't let ur child starve
TLDR-: good/bad is always subjective. Nothing is black and white. It's all a grey blob in the end which is a product of the society around us.
@@mayavil That’s not called being a bad person, it’s called doing a bad action. Your actions can be good or bad, and you have to compare how much good/bad you do as a whole
I had a spychiatrist friend summarize this once for me: You have two instincts or voices in your head. The first one you hear is the one society teaches you to respond with (hearing that nasty insult or that morbid thought or maybe even a positive take depending on your influneces), and the second voice you hear, the knee jerk reaction immediately after that, that's you. She said this to me, because I worried I could hear my dad insulting overweight people or different races in my head and I worried... was that me? And she asked me "what's the second voice sound like?" I said "She's hurt and immediately says, not that's NOT ok, be nice and don't take things out on people and make up reasons to hate." And she smiled at me and said "You're voice is much kinder than your dad's." I about cried. And to this day I hear her now in my mind as well, and it brings me such comfort and joy. I am forever grateful for our talk that day.
I think we all want to believe we're the second voice, but just having that first presence, as I know I do, makes it hard to. It makes you feel like you're pretending. That you're playing at being a good person.
But you know what? Even if that were true, that's a step above what some people in your life have done. You at least think about your horrible thoughts, react to them, and then say "that's not okay" and that's important.
I say that, though, and I still consider myself a shitty person for the immediate thoughts. It terrifies me that someone I care about could possibly know about that asswipe first voice and how they might react.
How I've heard it is "Your first thought is what you have been conditioned to think. Your second thought defines who you are."
@@NoriMori1992 What if my first and second voices are both assholes?
is a spychiatrist a psychiatrist that is also a spy, or a spy that's pretending to be a psychiatrist?
@@nefariou5 or perhaps someone who spies on you in your every day life in order to give you better advice?
Bob: Can I just...probe this?
Wade: Probe me, Daddy
No reaction from Bob or Mark, but I'm fuckin' DYING
Holy crap. Wade got professional and educated. We need more professor Wade.
Its just soo great of you guys to bring this podcast on this platform cause its way easier to view it and loth in its amazing
Literally the only reason i wasn't listening
Now i'm binging the whole thing😂
Who's great idea was it to take TH-camRS and have them make content OUTSIDE of youtube?!
@@mralabbad7 exactly atleast someones is on the right page...like the heck...your title is a youtuber not a spotifier or whatever...
I had no good reason not to just use the other podcast site, I just didn't want to.
Well, that and I guess it's something new you have to learn to navigate which... fuck that, but mostly just lazy.
My favorite thing about Wade is that he is absolutely silly ridiculous and funny but then there's moments like this where he is incredibly serious and philosophical and deep. I love that we have both of those in one guy. Same with Mark and Bob but I love it the most in Wade
Honestly this is probably one of my favorite podcasts. Morality is an intriguing subject sure but the rabbit hole of its exploration and the goofy personalities of the individuals discussing it makes it really engaging on a podcast level. Don’t apologize for these kinds of discussion. I especially like how mark took the most ludicrous example of observation and brought it all hope. That was gold.
I liked Wade's philosophy rambling actually
Dude. Wade made such a funny joke about Monty Python and the Holy Grail at like 26:00 ish I think. That was clever
It's more around 24:00
@@mememan2404 whoops! Lol sorry about that
Mark laughing about trolley problem memes while Wade and Bob let us know that they didn’t watch that Unus Annus video
I always try to remember that everyone is just trying to live their life, and very few things are done intentionally. I think its on the person who immediately assumed you were trying to be rude, rather than giving you grace.
To Wade's point, I always look to these guys when I'm feeling down. Listening to them gives me the feeling of just chilling with friends, and that's not something I really have in my life, so I appreciate their online presence.
The existential vibe is so good, I loved listening to Wade talk about all the philosophical jazz, however basic it was.
Idk homie, wade had the right of it
I know this podcast is a little old at the moment but this one really had me thinking and I think I understand Bob. You believe that what you've done is wrong because if it happened to you, you would think it's bad. I've had this thought process before and it makes things really difficult on your perspective of yourself. However, what Wade says is also very valid on intent. If your intention was malicious then it is bad. However, if your intention was good but something bad came from it, then it was a mistake. An unfortunate mistake which can be really harmful but your intent was not to do so. So long as you don't mean to cause harm, I believe that you are not bad. We mess up, things happen and sometimes we just don't understand stuff which I have seen in many people which is why I try to be open minded which is really really hard and you can't be that way all the time. It is really hard but I believe that there is more conscious good rather than conscious bad
I think Ben Sisko said it best.
It is easy to be a Saint in paradise but we do not live in paradise.
21:31 the silence, aside from Mark, is so loud LMAO
39:42
Mark is forgetting that he HAS watched a certain video that will not be named relating to what he is talking about.
8:19 I thought kangaroos had a habit of tossing their babies out of their pouches if they’re being chased by a predator so that there’s a better chance of escaping?
I love how Wade goes from "If I was a billionaire, I'd start the zombie outbreak" to lemma drop some knowledge on you baby!!!
I think if any other species had the same intellect as us I think theyd just do the same thing. Animals are just as brutal as we are, we’re just better at it.
The trolley problem, two people on one track and one on the other. Which way do you flip the lever? Do you save the two or the one?
Hidden third option: Lay down next to the one dude so it evens things out, but make sure the trolley is switched to the original two ;D
The thing is, humanity is YOUNG. We are barbaric/selfish because we are young and don't hold onto the cultural evolution's of the past well. Plenty of cultures were better then us in any given way in the past, such as being more honorable. Should we survive into the future we will grow out of our bad habits and into better ones. With the internet, the cultures of the world will homogenize into something that can grow all at once and retain it's evolutionary progress.
We are also so smart we're dumb. Rich people and ignorant religious people are the biggest thing that's killing us and the other planet. We also think it's okay to continue to produce to many kids rather than adopt.
@Jayden Aiken Literally look at any company who manufactures/maintains something that harms the climate. They don't care about the aftereffects, they just care about how much money they're about to make.
I wouldn't say we'd be the first to create our own extinction. Have you heard of the Great Oxygenation Event? It's when the very first photosynthesizers appeared and began filling Earth's atmosphere with oxygen for the first time, which set off a huge chain of events that ended up killing most of life on Earth, including the ones who created these events in the first place. However, because of them, Earth became what it is today and now most of life on Earth depends on this oxygen. Similarly, when an animal reaches a new area it sometimes outcompetes the native wildlife, and sometimes can even eat too much and cause its own destruction by throwing off the balance of the ecosystem. In our history, this has often been our fault, but before we existed, things like this happened too. Humans like to think we're unique, and maybe we are in some ways, but if anything exists on a large enough scale, it can have grand consequences and change the environment, and since many organisms are adapted to a specific environment, this can deadly in many cases. We're one of the lucky species that is pretty generalized and so we can survive in many different types of environments. However, if anything, it kind of proves that we're just like every other animal if even we, with all our unique abilities, are not able to prevent our own destruction.
No, actually. Most photosynthesisers werent killed in the GOE, it was anaerobic bacteria that died.
If you've ever flown, you probably know that in an emergency you're instructed to secure your mask before helping anyone else- children included. That's because if you end up passing out due to lack of oxygen, both you AND the person you were going to help are in significantly more danger. The greatest chance of survival for the most people in any given situation lies in everyone saving themselves FIRST, and then doing what they can for others.
Creatures are wired in a way that prioritizes survival for the species as a whole. We have a baseline want to help everyone else, but in situations where we're nervous at all, our first instinct is normally to forget everyone else and do what we need for ourselves for this exact reason. Wade's right, we haven't really evolved past everything being life or death, but selfish instinct to some degree isn't bad and it's actually better for humanity if we're speaking broadly. It's just got to be in moderation, like everything else.
"Good men mean well. We just don't always do well."
- A professional space badass -
if any other dumb podcast group talked about this subject, it'd make me feel depressed as hell, but distractible talked about this and didn't get me feeling sad at all
It doesn't make you as sad when you know it's coming. We're supposed to die off by 2050 due to climate change. Which is sad because we'll be going away long before our due time.
@@corypowercat7277 not if you expect to die before even that 😎
@@corypowercat7277 yeah i heavily doubt that, humans are extremely adaptable through technology. We will very likely survive, as will many animals, polar animals are fucked though
Personally I think most people have the capacity and the desire to do good things, but at the same time it's very easy to get lost in day to day life, thinking about what you're going to eat or something that happened at work or just dealing with your own mind everyday its easy to forget things and make a mistake, cut someone off or get in the wrong lane or accidentally ignore someone. does that make you a bad person? I don't believe that it does, I think about the actions of others a lot and its easy to forget that everyone is just trying to make it through their own problems, you don't have to be an angel 100% of the time to be a good person. However that does not mean there are no bad people, but its not so cut and dry. People can be assholes sometimes but be a good person, and people can be thoughtful and be a bad person. It all comes down to the choices you make and how you affect the people around you
The testing your morality part to where if you don't kill someone you'll be killed reminds me of a 2015 film called "Circle".
This whole discussion and Wade's arguments remind me of the show "The Good Place"
I was once told that your first thought is conditioned/taught to you but your second thought is how you truly are. This has helped me a lot especially when there are intrusive thoughts or actions
I think that one argument that I seldom seeing in this debate, especially with topics that talk about something like "which animals which are better will replace humans when we die" is the fact that no animals are better than humans. The reason humans are even able to come up with being mean to others, being just overall the worst in humanity and having these cognitive thoughts that are just bad for everybody else is the fact that the only reason we came up with these things in the first place is *because* of our intelligence and our ability to grow a self-esteem and perceive the world around us. The moment the next animal comes up with an intelligence to match humans and take over the planet as bipedal beings they will almost certainly be the same as us because that is inherent in all living beings. We've always had the mindset for millions of years this hierarchy, an "alpha" male and "the weak die" mentality but only when we become intelligent do these thoughts become a reality and things we actually think about. Before that they are just instinctual, "oh I lost to another one of my species because I wasn't strong enough" and that's normal because that's the way the natural life is. Animals live to breathe, reproduce, then die, and most of the time they are selfish and only look out for themselves because their instincts tell them to survive no matter what. Once you insert a subconscious and intelligence into the equation that's when things change. Our selfish animal instincts become subdued but our intelligent minds make them a more subtler yet more intense reality, and that's the interesting thing to think about
I'd have to disagree. I believe that there are creatures out there that, if they were to become as intelligent as humans would build a much better society than humans. Take a colony of ants for example, or bees. Creatures such as these that inherently serve a greater good would almost definitely have a better society than we do.
@@AteasDhavar Leaving aside the fact that it's biologically impossible for an insect to be large enough to have a human-sized brain, their violent territorialism, literal groupthink, and tendency to just throw drones at a problem until it goes away mean that a human-scale society of bees or ants would almost certainly be _super_ fascist. Their "greater good" is effectively just nationalism.
@@sheepking9540 You have a valid point, sir...madam? Whatever your preference might be.
But I was going under the assumption that the creature in question is to evolve to be capable of human level intelligence. I believe that was prompt. So if an insect colony were to reach such a state and be the dominant species on the planet, I think it would create a better society than we have. All be it, you're probably right in that it would a more fascist society, but a more uniform global society.
Dolphins?
@Soulless Ginger
Woah, what are you saying "No animals are better than humans" where in that entire sentence did I mention anything about humans being *better* than animals? What I'm trying to say is that *humans are and always were equal to animals*. The thing that makes humans different and arguably more despicable is our cognitive minds and our ability to make our selfish tendencies into a reality. Maybe I have yet to clarify, but during my original comment I was thinking more along the line of "wild animals". Obviously, animals domesticated by humans are on a completely different level from wild animals, and humans have grown to love some if not most of these domesticated animals as our companions or our friends. I admit, the statement of "no animals are better than humans" may be bit stretching it, but I still stand by the notion that most animals are selfish because that's what biology dictates their evolution to be, to survive and to thrive *no matter what*.
Also, please don't assume my personality. "You're probably one of those guys that say animals don't have souls or emotions", that's just very rude and completely unnecessary. I have a dog, so that statement is frankly appalling to me.
Just like Bob mentioned people assume the worst about people. But recently I’ve been “assuming the kindness reason they are acting like a dum dum” I read from a TH-cam comment that someone’s teacher taught them that.
Did not think I would listen to Wade be a Chidi today, but here I am.
Bob: "You can't have breakast for lunch, that's not a thing.
Me: "But what about Sonic Drive-In Ultimate Meat and Cheese Breakfast Burrito? How DARE you....."
Chewing my food has changed my life too... It's so weird, I never thought of that I was just swallowing my food because it was food
I'm thinking my brain is wired differently. I remember more good things than bad.
this is my favorite episode by far because of wade lol
Humanity IS the worst, I'm so tired of being part of it.. I can't sleep or rest because of the problems I'm facing.. If only there was a customer service center where I can return the life that was forced upon me.. 😭
4:54-6:30 is the best part of this episode.
23:50 Monty Python reference the Holy Hand Grenade
“is kangaroo society better than human society?”
16:23 Me, driving while listening. What the -
Mark is like the welsh corgi of humans. Big ol head, tiny little body.
THIS REMINDS ME OF THE UNUS ANNUS TROLLEY PROBLEM VIDEO! ONE OF MY FAVOURITE UNUS ANNUS VIDEOS LMAO-
Bob "I need to take this exit now" and changing 2 or 3 lanes to get to that exit.
Me using Google maps and knowing what exit I need ahead of time keeping to the right lane 1 mile ahead.
Mark: I've never experienced a human making me watch them eat their own poop.
Me: remembering a moment from [REDACTED] where both Ethan and Mark found such a video
I absolutely ADORE philosophical Wade.
Also Bob don’t be sorry for this episode. Truly one of my faves. ❤❤
Im here after getting fooled by Mark
Now i gotta watch it...
Same honestly.
The fridges has changed bob
People are all bad. We're born being tempted to do the wrong things. It takes being taught to learn how to do good, and it's something people have to strive for their whole life. It's also something that you WILL fail at sometimes because no one is perfect. For anyone wondering, this is what the majority of Christians believe. If you think we think we're better, we don't, we just work very hard at trying to be better because we KNOW how awful people are.
Also, to Bob's point towards the end, I do try to live my life being compassionate towards others. When someone tailgates me I worry about whether they're trying to get to a hospital. When a cashier is rude I wonder if they're having a bad day. And yeah, your immediate reaction is often "what a jerk" but I try to keep things in perspective. I received training for a job at a pharmacy that helped with that. It showed various people interacting and for example one person would have the text "dhe just found out she's pregnant" and the other would say "she just had a miscarriage." We encountered a lot of sick people or relatives of sick people in the pharmacy so we were heavily trained to not react to them being rude to us because the BEST case scenario was they were coming to do an annoying errand.
When it comes to morality, you are the only one holding yourself up to scrutiny. You set the standards, most of the time your the only witness to whatever choise you made. If you find your actions inexcusable and are unable to live with them then yes, you are 'bad', by your own standards. The point is to change as you notice these discrepancies
Damn wade busted out the trolley problem
"Sorry I brought up morals. That's my bad" is such a funny thing to apologize for
Thanks!
I listen to this before i fall asleep and when i wake up, and every moment in between
This has slowly become my favorite podcast!
It better be, or else mark is gonna come find you.
@@afallenhuman I would love that
Bob around the 20:00 mark was making the exact point in David Foster Wallace's speech "This is Water". It's an amazing read and it gives an interesting perspective on how you affect others.
I used this to take a nap... I missed all of it... Now I want to rewatch because I fell asleep after the intro
Playlist soon? :3 Still gonna just listen on spotify tho but love the style and the animation :)
morality can be debated eternally it is subjective afteral.
I’m amazed, honestly.
I thought it was rare that some were in the small percentages of people in the world that disliked humanity as a whole.
I for one, from a realistic standpoint, hate humanity. I never thought Bob would have that similar of a standpoint I have, at all.
I’m not saying that I deserve the Earth or I’m better in any way, cause I do those bad things too, in a daily life scenario.
Humans, as an entire species, do not deserve the Earth.
I’ve been saying humans are a cancer to this Earth we live on since I was 14 years of age. Meaning, for 14 to 15 years, I have felt humans do not deserve the Earth, the sentience or the abilities, as livings things, we have been given.
We just don’t, we don’t deserve none of it.
Keep in mind- I’m not speaking from a religious standpoint. I’m not religious in the slightest, mind you. I believe in the science behind things. (The religion Scientology, is fucking stupid; just to be clear.)
Edit: But I digress, I’m no one to be determining what’s deserved and not deserved by any species. This is just my opinion.
Mark is forgetting that humans are born too early too.
Wow. When someone wanders into Wades parlor, he sits them THE FUCK DOWN. AND DROPS SOME GOD DAMN KNOWLEDGE. Philosophy is all shades of grey. Humanity brings color with the best, worst, and everything in between. Good man, Mr. Wade. Well done.
Wade killing me in this episode 😭 🤣
these kinds of topics are always so interesting because it shows just how complicated and multi-faced morality can be. not only are there so many individual variations of good and bad, there's also the grey areas and the personal experiences of each person that shape their own mindset. someone's "horrible" and be another person's "pretty great", and they are both true to each person. then we judge other's based on our own version of the correct morality. but objectively, no one can ever truly say whether something is good or bad since everyone has their own definitions. it's all so fascinating!
I want a whole episode of wade explaining ethics like Tyler does sports 🤣🤣
Bob has a great point! We may think we are doing well in life, but other people could view us differently
Thank you, Distractible
grr grr my gears got ground so i’m going to listen to this episode maybe i’ll feel better after
i dont know about the rest of you, but the narrators "MUYESSS" at the start of every video is the best part
I was passing out while listening to this and the horn sound effect woke me up in a panic 😂
I’ve still got ptsd from marks live
I think this episode is interesting because it touches on a lot of not just philosophy, but also biopsychology. A lot of what Bob was talking about with seeing the rude things people do, thinking "I would never do that," then realizing he does do those things sometimes IS a psychological thing. It's a big part of Attribution Theory, where we tend to attribute someone else doing something rude to their personality ("wow, they cut someone off in traffic, they must be a jerk!") vs attributing us doing the same thing to the situation ("I'm running late, I HAD to cut that person off!"). This specifically relates to the Fundamental Attribution Error and Actor-Observer Bias respectively. What Bob was explaining was just him becoming aware of Attribution Theory. It's something deeply rooted in our psychology that makes us act and think this way. Of course, there's many other psychological aspects to this as well, but that was a prominent one.
I consider myself to be a rational optimist. I like to see the good in people and humanity, but I know when to recognize the bad, the shortcomings, etc. No one person is born inherently good or bad, morality is something we develop over time (biopsychologically, there IS a part of our brain in the frontal lobe that is attributed to morality), but I'll say this: humanity HAS to be somewhat good. Homo spaiens truly could not have evolved and survived to be where we are today WITHOUT some empathy and compassion. We have always been social animals. We were never built to survive on our own pre-civilization. We've always HAD to live and work in groups. So I can understand the lack of faith in humanity, because there's a lot that we believe to be bad/wrong/immoral/harmful to ourselves and the rest of the biosphere. But it's important to remember that we could not have gotten here at all if humanity was truly all bad or even mostly bad. To exist as we are, we need enough good in our species to outweigh the bad in order for the species to continue living. And this is where I'll agree with Mark that we WILL cause our own extinction if we get to the point where the bad outweighs the good.
This is not meant to discount a philosophical perspective at all, but rather add some scientific philosophy to this conversation.
had to pause for a sec at 21:32, I wasn't ready for that tone from mark T-T
Also i have a mentality that I'd this. If the bigger picture will be good in any case, move your mental state down to the smaller picture. If the smaller picture is ok in any case, move your mentality to the self picture. If you'll be ok in any situation, amazing, everything's fine!!
They should discuss the systemic homelessness rooted into our society and ways too help
Wade's comments were incredible and I want more
I'm so immature, I rewatched 39:23 so many times and I can't help but laugh each time.
I relate to Bob so much in this, and not only in the way that my name is also bob, but I do do selfish things and I am also concerned with what people think about me. The context of selfish actions is also extremely important, because literally everyone will do something selfish, and determining why says so much. If I told my ex to go F**k herself, I sound like an ass don't I? But if I tell you they were toxic, impulsive, and frustrating, it can change how you see my statement. Context is everything, and I think Bob is a great person with realistic limits and ideas.
I held off on this episode for a while because I hate misanthropy and wasn't sure what to expect, but I actually really enjoyed it. Was nice to see Wade approaching the question philosophically and the conversation was interesting and engaging.
Fun game: Take a shot every time Wade says "so on and so forth".
If someone cuts me off in traffic, most of the time I choose to believe that they actually DO need to get somewhere faster than me. They might be rushing home to a child that is injured or something. That isn't THEIR responsibility, for what you choose to believe, that is on you. If they have valid reason then they aren't bad people, and if you recognize that it could be the case that they have valid reason....you aren't either.
14:11 Well, in space, if we're being serious, even if we did turn the rockets off the earth would keep moving slowly out to space. Because there is no air resistance in space and, by Newton's first law, objects in motion stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force.
Or the earth just gets pulled back to its orbit by the sun, if the momentum wasn't enough. 🤷♀️
Personally it seems to me that most people try to do the right thing most of the time but a lot of the time the right thing isn’t obvious
Always be civil and kind to people you don't know what they are going through in other words don't be an asshole
It was so interesting to hear Wade's knowledge on philosophy.
I’m 100% behind changing calling a group of something from “a fuck ton” to “a fuck of”
This reminds me of the "10-80-10" rule. If you took 100 random people, 10 are probably in a place in their life, through struggles, that they lash out as a form of defense mechanism. These people will harm you. It could manifest from their character (people who commit crimes) or from their environment (people who cut you off because they're in a rush). On the other end of the spectrum are the 10 people who actually have a life of abundance. These are the people that pull over on the side of the road to help you change that tire or the multitude of wealthy people who fund, operate and donate to charities. The 80% in the middle are the everyday everybody that most of us reside in. Sometimes you're the 80 sometimes you're the lower 10 or the upper 10, it depends on MANY factors in your life.
The challenge comes from the concept of "sunsets and car accidents." Traffic slows down to a stop with everyone who wants to gawk at a car accident but traffic doesn't stop to see the beauty of a sunset. Media takes this by taking the bottom 10 of people and parading them through news outlets. And truth be told it is only the small portion of that 10. 1% of 1% commit crimes; 1% of 1% are racist; 1% of 1% abuse their power; however, that minute minority make it on the news making the entire group wrongly accountable.
I believe most people are good
Mark “Kangaroos are scary”
Me “laughs in Australian”
On the top of the baby is it's very weird because I remember reading something that explains why it's so difficult nowadays and yes there is an upper limit but GMOs studies have shown that they make babies bigger and combined with an improper birth position because the laying on your back which if I remember correctly King Louie the 8th was the one who instilled that idea because he wanted to watch(he just liked watching that's all) the natural position is either on all fours or squatting it helps you dilate more people are trying to get back to the natural Way that actually works but Western medicine seems to resist that idea even though there is actual proof to the data...
This is some interesting information
There is no western medicine, there is just medicine. People in medical school in Shanghai and boston are learning the same things. Still interesting information
As someone raised by a narcissistic family, you can end up on the severe other side of the spectrum. Everything I do, anything I think about I'm considering everyone around me before myself. There are a few boundaries I've learned to put up recently, at least here at home, but overall I'm almost entirely thinking about what I'm doing and how it impacts everyone around me. Though honestly it's exhausting, there is no automatic actions it's always a hyper awareness of everyone around me and how things might make them react or impact them. You end up raised with you care about someone else before you care about yourself, and that ended up translating into everything being about everyone else. It's things like oh if I miss a turn, I would rather go around the block or find an alternate path instead of potentially cutting someone off or inconveniencing them. If I might end up inconveniencing someone by crossing a road at a certain spot, I'll choose to go another block before I cross even if it makes the walk longer. Stuff like that. I do very much dislike humans in general, but my first thought if someone does something rude (unless it's specifically obviously rude) I just assume they were struggling in some way or didn't notice or misunderstood something.
Although he didn't really say it I feel like Bob mightve been getting things in a newer hopeful way towards the end. Seeing how his intentions weren't bad and how others might not mean things in a bad way and how we might frame things in a bad way when we don't know people's story. Hopefully everyone got something good outta this one!
This felt like a therapy session for Bob.
Hating humanity is a sign of narcissism and self righteous sure humanity is naturally bad but that includes the person who says(myself included). Which Bob hit on but now we got nowhere but up. Keep trying don’t fall to futility because life isn’t futile good luck.
I don't hate humanity I just give up in expecting anything good from humans and i'm not surprised when humans are cruel assholes because of I don't have any expectations
Marsupials don't need pouches, but they often have them.
Galadriel: Mithrandir, why the Halfling? Gandalf: I do not know. Saruman believes that it is only great power that can hold evil in check. But that it is not what I’ve found. I’ve found it is the small things, every act of normal folk that keeps the darkness at bay - simple acts of kindness and love. Why Bilbo Baggins? Perhaps it is because I am afraid, and he gives me courage. Not direct Tolkien but gives the same sentiment.