The New BR Changes Somehow Made It Worse, But....
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Wtf 130???
@@DEFYNso this means I can sponsor a CL-13 Mk.4 video now right?
thats crazy cruh
Worth it
2:46 ayo new orbital strike feature nice
Mass driver artilerry confirmed
Wtf was that 😮
IMA FIRING MA LAZARRRR!!!!
gta tryhards are in warthunder now... great 🤦♂🤦♂
Yep, at least 11.7 is now playable
9.3-9.7 is playable now, If no F-5C/E spam
Yeah it's real nice for my M2KCS4
istg if your a f14 player, f14s are the ones that ruined 11.7
@@salt_of_souls it's my favorite br rn but every few nights I get non stop games with like 4 or 5 f5e on each team and it gets painful fast lol
@@duknf14 players on their way to kill little timmy that forgot multipathing doesnt work only to get killed by an aim7d
assuming he means new 11.7 br bracket tho, not old 11.7
still, fuck f14 players, those idiots would lose to a tornado in a 1v1
If you pause the video precisely at 2:47 you can see Su-25 shooting lasers out if its ass. New Sekrit weapon perhaps?
Fr what was that
@@stevensmileyprodPacket loss
cordium weaponry
@@stevensmileyprod Server desync he crashed but his position wasnt updated so when it got updated the fire from the crash got drawn to its actual position
The fact that a FLARELESS plane can now see IRCCM missiles is fucking ridiculous (SU25 with r73 and jaguar with magic 2)
To be fair, when you don't have countermeasures, it doesn't make a lick of a difference if the all-aspect missile fired your way has IRCCM or not.
@@K0MMyHuCToh no it does because most IRCCM missiles aren’t just IRCCM, they’re highly capable missiles. You can dodge most all aspect missiles fine given the circumstance, but missiles with IRCCM like that are more advanced, meaning that you have a zero percent survival rate instead of like 50%.
That was technically the case prior too (F-4C at 10.0 vs Su-25BM, Jaguar IS at 11.0).
Still a really stupid change especially because now it isn't a max uptier situation lol
What Sukhoi 25 has r-73’s in game?
Event one at 11.0
Think it was the BM version @@kendellmoore8367
Some how…compression returned
11/10 reference
The BR brackets are now just… really really weird.
honestly it's quite refreshing. It's good to see some obscure planes being useful, and a new meta being developed. but ofc it's mostly a shitshow.
F4S doesn’t deserve to be 12.0 that shit is stupid
I think Gaijin was always hesitant to make big changes because they clearly don't understand or know the intricacies of their gameplay well enough to get it right. I think that's why they rely so heavily on incremental changes and statistics. Bit embarrassing , like it's still in beta.
@@Erden99they simply don’t play the game, you can see it clearly on devstreams.
and still the BR changes are completly trash. The Mig 23 with Fox1 and all aspect IR now is at the same BR as a Draken with 6 pops of countermeasures and mediocre rear aspect Missiles. Its simply Stupid ore Gayjin rushed the BR Changes.
Fattom
He’s just a little bigger than usual, I would say “horizontally and vertically heavy”
Cattom
@@benjaminrawlinson9318 HECKIN CHONKER
Phontom
phat phuck
Honestly the F8U-2 is really fun to fly right now, mostly thanks to the wing rip changes. You can actually put all the performance mods on it and just fly, really only needing to tap down when you get close to blacking out, no real risk of instantly snapping your wings anymore. New favorite plane of the patch, easy.
Really??!?!? Now it doesnt wing rip at 800km/h+ and 7g's+???????
Yep, I've been ripping it around the skies for a few hours now and yet to rip my wings once. I've gotten to 14gs for a couple seconds multiple times, and even hit 16gs once, but no rips.
@@hilltopy Dude that is fucking amazing and completly changes that plane for me. I hated it for so long maybe it's usable now
@@lucascam9212 It's not just usable, its one of the best planes in its BR bracket now with the BR changes lmao. Even without the wing rip changes it would still be good, but that change made it go from good to absolutely insane.
Took them long enough. The plane having weak wings irl is no excuse when you can pull 17g's consistently on an F16C and not rip.
fun fact: the Belgian F-16A is 13.3 just because it has AIM-9Ms.
This makes it sit 0.3 higher than the JAS-39A, who has the same amount of 9Ms, but also 12x more countermeasures and an HMD. Oops.
@@rowanyuh6326 uh. It doesn't have ARH either.
@@rowanyuh6326go check you're facts before saying something
Chinese f16 at 13.0 with aim 9L, no aim 120s and 60 flares:
@@VEGA_CORE that's all F-16As pretty much which I think is fine. Gripen is just too low.
F-16AJ with aim9ls sitting at 13.0 is just laughable.
Time to go back to biplanes
Gaijin 120mm recoiless gun on a biplane when ?
@@nikolaideianov5092 i think that could actually be fun
Nah, no matter how bad it gets im still happy to get away from the prop plane snoozefests
@@starliner2498 Takes way more skill in a prop than a missile bus. I’d rather knife fight than sling fox-3s all day and die to something you can never avoid
With the aim9e's you can pull a hard turn and temporarily move outside its gimble limit to get more shots pointed towards a target, just a small fun fact for players that might end up needing to use them, its super helpful since the missile only gets like a 15g turn max and its way more reliable to just use your own momentum to aim the missile and let it do the small adjustments.
Also works with aim9b...sort of. Helps to get at least some lead before it loses the target completely.
04:55 I was slightly distracted and I basically shat myself, thanks
With these early missiles especially, you have to make sure you aren't pulling any AoA. It doesn't matter if your nose is pointed at the bandit, if you're pulling 20 degrees of AoA to get your nose on, you're drifting off to the side by 20 degrees. That's why the missiles are flying off to the side because they still have that inertia flinging them off the rail.
Yup.
This, plus the AIM-9's on the F-4C are pointed down slightly on the rail.
2:45 did that su-25 just orbital laser someone
F4C is best Phantom, I think it’s a skill issue on Defyns part
(I don’t have jets)
Gunpods are funpods
We could tell
The F-4E is fun in downtiers. the F-4J is surpsingly good and competitive if you fly correctly
What do you think of the f5c being the same br as the f5e? Gaijins been bugging 😂😂
Mirage f1c 12.0
@@SalSal-om1en It has magic 2s and a decent FM plus a shit load of flares
@@gabrielabreu5200 2 good missiles 3 bad and doesn’t have that much flares?
@@SalSal-om1en196 for the premium variant is more than most top tier vehicles
People are generally biased against the F-5C for some reason. Probably because they see it a lot in battles.
But the F-5C is a mid aircraft at best. And it takes tremendous skill to use it effectively because you only have guns to rely on, unlike some mig21 with 6 R-60s and a rocket for an engine.
The J35D being a lower br than the f4C is absolute comedy gold.
The fact the F-4C can’t even see F104As any longer, too. And the F104A is a much better plane.
@robertgaudet7407 yep.. gaijin is smoking crack. Uninstalled the game this morning. I've only been back on the grind for about 2 months. Yet I've already decided to take another year-long break, lmaooo... I wonder how long it will take for another review bomb on steam, lol
@@Poached_Toast I’ve been enjoying the Harrier plus. Might do a video or two on spading it and hover amraam hijinks that no-one will watch.
@2:48 lasers
The f8u2 is so good atm its comedicly broken
It should be 10.3 honestly
@@SA-ks3ex yeah but its great atm
@@Sturmi320 except for being in US team which is a major debuff.
@@SA-ks3ex yeah the teams are shit but fighting 9.3 every game in the f8u2 is so great like what can a mig19 or f100 do and 104s will get aim9d
@@Sturmi320 with the milan sales returning and france fighting US 90% of the time, the F8U is literally an ace machine
I’m ending it all after these br changes
Yeah, since the last update I played for a bit, but the damn game is so filled with new bugs and broken things that worked before, that I start loosing interest in the game. Such a great concept of the game, but unfortunately gaijin.
Good idea, I haven't touched this game since right after I unlocked Eminems Yak-3 and I don't miss it one bit.
If i wasnt already top tier with several countries i wouldnt be happy. But tbh its really fun for top tier rn lol
The SABB j35Xs is almost unplayable with the constant uptiers it gets into premium PD radar missle slingers
Grippen A at 13.0, same exact BR as all the F16ADF, and same BR as the grench F16 with 9M. Meow meor mrw~
was that last part really needed 😭
it was a vital part of his message wdym
So where do you want it ? At 13.7 against fox3s ?
@@wunderwafelek9740 yes
I saw the Zuni pods and got a little excited, thought you were going to use them with the distance fuzes to get headon kills 😢
Virgin Su25 that got it R60 flared and himself killed vs Chad Zuni enjoyer.
How is no flares above 9.3?
Japanese T2 and F1 jets, as well as the japanese f104. All no flares in a br with all aspect missiles. Not to mention they're not the best at dog fighting the jets at that br since most things are faster and more maneuverable.
19:50 they cucked it counter missions also and changed them to small despite them being 2 inches wide by 3” x 5” long and apparently Geisen cut off for making something. A large counter measure is 55 mm. Which is mind-boggling because the countermeasure flare the aardvark uses is a RR 119 the literal best countermeasure that America had for its time. And a flare weighs 2 pounds.
I cannot fathom why they put the F4C of all things up to 10.7
How in the shit does statistical balancing even make sense even more?
So were just forgetting about the ADTW getting moved from 10.7 to fucking 11.3 with no buffs what so ever
any 12.0 now facing the mig29g/mirage 4000/gripen A at 13.0 is WILD idk what gaijin was thinkin with some of these brs
F-4S players currently in shambles having to fight literally every single top tier jet with constant uptiers (Me, I'm the player currently in shambles)
The reason why your missiles arent "going where its pointed" like at 4:12 or 7:40 is because of plain physics. The missile is going to keep its momentum because it has nothing to rotate it anymore except for its rocket motor, which doesnt work that well cause it's a 10g pulling missile. I kinda assumed you knew that already cause you understood that missiles needed to be lead
For better launches, you should both lead your missile and wait till your plane stops pulling aoa
4:54 transition was hysterical. Good flying! o7
ah yeah, the J35XS at 11.3...it is like J35D(10.3) with extra 12FLRs and 2 extra AIM9Js....it does not even have RWR...and it gets uptiered like 9/10 times :(
The J35XS somehow still having to fight SARH missiles meanwhile the F-4C is at 10.7
maybe adding the f4d phantom with flares at 10.7 and moving the f4c down could fix things maybe?
2:47 did they introduce some FreeSpace 2 beam weapons to the game ? XD
Since there are so many weapon groups on a lot of planes nowadays at least for ground attack weapons i have switched to using seperate binds for them all,
CTRL for rockets ALT+CTRL for Rocket Salvo, Space for bombs, Alt+Space for air to ground missiles, Right Alt+Space for Guided Bombs. I use X to spool and fire air to airs but I wish we had separate bindings for fox123
So Gaijin have modelled the nose-mounted internal gun, but it doesn't work?
REAALLLLLYYYY??
Reminder f4c could carry 4xaim7E-2. My source? The manual that has external storages
Reminder:
-The F-4E could carry 4xAim-7F and 4xAim-9M
-The RB24J should be smokeless
-The F-14B could carry Aim-9Ms aswell as Aim-7Ps
-The MiG-29 (9-13) could carry R-73s
-The Yak-141 could carry R-73s
-The MiG-23MLD could carry R-73s
-Ka-52 and Mi-28NM should carry R-73
-Ka-50 could carry 2xKh-25ML
+pretty much all modern MBTs have an automatic lead system
Idc what people say, air br should be tied to production date, that way each plane only faces planes it would actually see and not something built 20 years later. Alternatively decompress the all brs of air not just top tier.
This sounds like a good idea but alot of vehicles would have long service lives. And usa would be op af
I feel like the J35XS is also in a relly fu*ked place. 10.7 so its always uptiered into the SARH and Planes carrying 30+ Flares. Sure the XS can carry 9Ps (6 of them) and has a 30mm Cannon but it carries 12 counter measures with no RWR. The 9Ps are entirely Mid by that point if not lower and 120 Rounds in a weird placed cannon make the thing literally pay to lose. You are entirely closed off to playing like a Ninja to get any assortment of kills.
Just glad i spaded it right before the change
Ah yes thank you gaijin for fucking up my favourite br 😘
Will you do a video on the Gripens after the Aim-120 got added?
Defyn, how much do I have to pay you to revisit the Milan, now that it is kinda getting breathing room at 9.7?
The br spread didn’t do anything besides just move brs up. Everything will continue to face things it faced before
Finaly someone who understand what have been done, happy to see i am not alone x)
That's simply a lie but go on. Mig-21Bis for exemple is now a full 1.0 br apart from the F-14A, so it can only face 4 of them at max. Can't face the F-14B at all now.
The compression is helping the 9.0 -10.0 bracket by moving the 10.0 up.
Yoooo that's awesome i finally have a reason to fly the bis@@TheSpartan227
Except the Mirage F1s, who see Gripens now
FUN
@@honeybadgerbomb4469 I can not compute why the mirage f1 is above mig23s
Oh man that jump cut at like 4:50 got me 😂
1:58 alright Mr. Edge you've got some explaining to do
Remember this thing can now see r73 quite frequently. Lamooooooo
Damn Gaijin is braindead. They had 1 job. I think they’re doing this sh** on purpose…
Honestly Idk why but the Vark gets completely destroyed now honestly if they want to mess with its BR at least bring back its acceleration close to what it was when it was released
12:01 jesus christ a month later and ive just realised i am that F5C, well played.
11:44 *That made me look really poor... throwing them away like that. :(*
i feel like gaijin has played with the missiles again
BR changes made the F-4S worse too, got sent to 12.0, and always faces 12.7 or 13.0, never down tiers. Always fighting MiG-23 and F-14, or AV-8 w/ AMRAAM
Agreed, absolutely worse. Now there's way too many planes facing Fox 3's that have absolutely no business facing Fox 3's... like the Mirage F1, for example
It doesnt change anything for mirage f1, it is the same planes that have fox3 than before
@@Skramort The F1 is now 12.0, planes like the SU-27SM and MiG-29 SMT are 13.0. it absolutely changes things for the F1, and F-4 Phantoms for that matter. They now face planes with 4 fox 3's and 4 IR missiles.
@@PotatoeJoe69 me when I lie
@@PotatoeJoe69su-27sm and mig 29 smt also got moved up, to br 13.7, so no. F1C does not face fox 3 except for phoenixes from f14 which they already faced before
@@PotatoeJoe69 ALL planes got moved up, so top dog are now 13.7...
Aim-7D's were actually really good in early match high altitude BVR at 10.0. Probably not so much now, with it facing R-24R's.
I was already researching this boat and now I'm gonna have to play it like this. Cant wait for gaijin to take its br down the second after I spade it and I have gone insane.
puts the F-5C at the same BR as the F-5E, refuses to elaborate
Your missile at 7:40 went off course not "randomly" but because you fired it while pitching the aircraft hard. Your plane has momentum, and the missiles inherit that momentum when they detach, and if you've ever seen the classic demonstration of swinging a weight and then letting go you can see that the weight does not continue in the path of the circle (your direction of travel) but in the direction it was going when you detached with that momentum (remember, your plane is pitching up above the actual direction you are moving!)
This thing used to be the same BR as the F-104A
4:54 That's actually scared me a little bit.
2:47 Was that a laser beam?
I played the f4c a lot about a year ago and like you say, the missiles mainly work on braindead people who aren't playing attention or just play it completely wrong. With regards to the aim 7d's, I have gotten 4/4 kills with these before. Sometimes everybody is just not paying attention. I usually sling them all off at the start of a match to get rid of the weight, and usually if i'm lucky I'll get a kill. They're rubbish, but it is possible to get kills.
i am currently playing the JA37D was BR 11.3 and before the update it was tottaly fine now its BR 12 since there are only a frew BR 12 jets like the F-4J us and UK version, tornado F.3 and mirage F1C-200 i get constanly up tier to BR 13 i have only had 1 down tier out of 40 games alot of the other BR 11.3 jets before the changes have stayed at that same br untouched most of them are premium i think if the currently BR 12 jets where BR 11.7 just like the MIG-23ML that was br 11.3 before it would be totally fine. But now its just a pain to play the new BR 12.0 and for some reson i had a frew games playing agenst F-16C's for some reson. This update i crazily broken.
They should just move it to 13.3 and give it the aim120 it had irl
its insane how apparently gaijin thinks it having all aspect rb74s somehow makes it 2 br brackets above the ja37C
@@hueban1643 yeah thats the thing the AJS37 get RB74 at BR what is it now BR 11 and its still the same airframe yes the JA37D got more counter messures but dos it really justify placing the JA37D at BR 12 over the JA37C that is BR 11.3
you can see an mld in a full uptier, also the f4j and s are higher br now than the mld
the balancing of phantoms is so weird. This thing the same br as the f4f early, f4e and ej at the same br as ej adtw, british J at the same br as the american S and J
Why is the F16AJ at 13.0 with no AAMs meanwhile the F15 is the same BR but gets AAMs stock. Incredible gaijin
We gooning with this one
7:42 Missiles in WT don't come off initially in the direction of your nose. They come off in the same direction of travel of the aircraft itself. So, if you're in a 2-circle with someone pulling 20 degrees of AOA in the process, and shoot when he's in your crosshair, the missile doesn't come off pointing at the target. It comes off pointing 20 degrees behind the target, and then has to make up the angular difference before pulling lead. This has been a mechanic for as many years as I can remember
FR though. This plane was aight before at 10.0, but now it's the very definition of mid in every aspect. One may now even say outright bad...
9.3 feels like a fever dream. My Ariete feels phenomenal.
fun fact: the j-7e is 0.3br above this, so you'll see it pretty much every game! have fun fighting that
Couldn't be a better plane to watch while taking a shit
You should try out the F-4E, it's in a really good spot now with the br changes since you can't go up against 4th gen fighters anymore
@2:50 what the heck is happening in the background? Start at 2:44 to see it.
Failed my edging session because of this video
w8 the changes are already in game?
thats why in my j35xs i got clapped by f-4s a lot
Okay that maneuver kill was epic!
Hey Defyn, I know you've played it fairly recently, but would you mind playing the J-7E, after the br changes it feels untouchable but less fun somehow. A J-8F video could also be cool as I'm thinking about whether to play the plane with the fox-3 it gets 🥰
They legit dident fix the 10.3 a10/su 25 spam at low tier that caused everyone wanting decompression! I get more 9.7 games where us teams have all 10s and like 4 fighters
At least the new sim brackets look fun. Can’t wait for them to actually release
Before the br changes, I was play J35XS, I see some planes in uptiers, and I still see exact same planes in uptiers after br changes
Like F4J UK, mig 23... Nothing changed. Just players base is braindead.
mig-21 is absolutely miserable at 10.7
one of the dutch people of all time
The F5-C Is so tuff for me at 11.0 now, way to many missils
F4C at 10.7 and F8U at 10.0 is truly balancing only gaijin is capable of.
the br changes fucking suck... like i get it for the br's above 12.0 but everything below just doesnt make sense...
play the F4C next video just to see what it is like with the new BR changes.
j7e stayed at 11.0 which is just hilarious. Played a few matches and seems like a lot of people r trying it out, theres 3-5 j7es every chinese team and its just dominating
They only really decompressed 10.3 with these BR changes. With very few exceptions outside of 10.0-10.7, you are still having to fight the same aircraft as before. Honestly, they should've moved it up to more like 14.3 if they wanted to actually decompress supersonic jets.
Or like 20.0, so now you can separate some things from meeting eachother (early jets vs later jets for example).
The F-4C is inferior to the MiG-21S in almost every way, but now sits a full 1.0 higher. Gaijin moment.
Things that benefitted was the unaffected 9.7s like t2 in theory facing less aim9l and r60mk but in most of the games I played I'm still fighting a10a and su25k
Because they werent actually moved. Now you cannot meet them at 9.0, but thats about it.
i feel like the f5c might be overtiered now it's kinda tough cause it fights the french f5
I didn’t think the F-4s had Vulcans. They don’t take any time to spin up. I don’t think they spin up at all.
Ok the internal gun if you get one is a Vulcan. The gun pod guns aren’t.
I like the changes, MiG-21bis got a very nice buff
F4S and F14 should be put into game with only themselves, gaijin has done it before with planes; playing the german f4f and the event mig23mf at 11-12br is wild, mig only has 6 flares and 6 chaff and the f4 only gets aim 9js
At least some things are playable
Tbh, im not surprised that gaijin broke something again. Maybe its good that the grind is going at a glacial pace for me.
they have to do something about this plane its been unplayable for such a long time and this has only made it worse
Crazy that f4c is a higher br thank the a10a late which has 4 9l and a ton of flares
quick tip for when you get those weird angles with the aim9Es, roll the plane around full 180, the missile gets a better launch that way most of the time, Why? idk
Here, take my $1.3 so you can rehab on the F8U-2 after the new BR changes!