Iron Man - How to Turn a Villain Into the Hero | Film Perfection
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- In honor of Tom Holland's Spider-Man: Far From Home hitting theaters, let's travel back in time to the origins of the first Avenger -- Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man. Tony Stark today in films like Captain America Civil War and Avengers Infinity War and Avengers Endgame is known to be a highly rootable hero with overwhelmingly positive qualities. But back in his early days, his personality traits made him seem less like a hero and more like an actual villain. In today's episode of family friendly pg show Film Perfection, let's see how the original Iron Man movie turned Tony Stark a likable hero that the audience could instantly get behind.
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Iron Man (2008)
From Marvel Studios and Paramount Pictures comes Iron Man, an action-packed take on the tale of wealthy philanthropist Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.), who develops an invulnerable robotic suit to fight the throes of evil. In addition to being filthy rich, billionaire industrialist Tony Stark is also a genius inventor. When Stark is kidnapped and forced to build a diabolical weapon, he instead uses his intelligence and ingenuity to construct an indestructible suit of armor and escape his captors. captain marvel cinemasins everything wrong with captain marvel honest trailer Once free, Stark discovers a deadly conspiracy that could destabilize the entire globe, and dons his powerful new suit on a mission to stop the villains and save the world. Gwyneth Paltrow co-stars as his secretary, Avengers endgame reaction avengers endgame ending avengers endgame timeline explained avengers ending watch full movie online avengers endgame clip spider-man far from home ending explained mysterio Virginia "Pepper" Potts, while Terrence Howard fills the role of Jim "Rhodey" Rhodes, one of Stark's colleagues, whose military background leads him to help in the formation of the suit. Jon Favreau directs, with Marvel movie veterans Avi Arad and Kevin Feige producing.
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Avengers: Endgame
After the events of Infinity War leaves half of the universe in ruins, the remaining Avengers must work together to recruit old and new allies, and muster all of their remaining strength and resources to defeat the mad titan Thanos and bring their friends back from the brink of oblivion. Directed by Anthony and Joe Russo and stars an ensemble cast that includes Robert Downey Jr., Chris Hemsworth, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Evans and major stars from previous Marvel films.
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Iron Man 2
As Tony Stark (Robert Downey Jr.) owns up to being Iron Man before the world press, Anton Vanko lies dying in Russia. Years ago, Anton worked with Tony's father to create a new source of energy. But greed got the best of Anton, and now as he slips away, his son, Ivan (Mickey Rourke), vows to make Tony pay for the sins of his father. Meanwhile, Tony fends off efforts from smarmy Senator Stern (Garry Shandling) and military weapons expert Justin Hammer (Sam Rockwell) to get him to divulge the secrets of his powerful Iron Man suit. The powers that be are concerned that Tony's technology may fall into the wrong hands -- fears that are soon confirmed when the cocky billionaire entrepreneur is confronted in front of the entire world by Ivan, who has built his own weapon using stolen Stark blueprints. Later, as Lt. Rhodes (Don Cheadle) wrestles with the decision to personally deliver Tony's suit to the military, Ivan finds an unlikely ally in the quest to destroy Iron Man; Stark Industries legal consultant Natalie Rushman (Scarlett Johansson) reveals her connection to Nick Fury (Samuel L. Jackson); and Pepper Potts (Gwyneth Paltrow) takes on some new responsibilities.
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Batman Begins
The fifth outing in the 'Batman' movie franchise explores the origins of the Batman legend and the Dark Knight's emergence as a force for good in Gotham. In the wake of his parents' murder, disillusioned industrial heir Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) travels the world seeking the means to fight injustice and turn fear against those who prey on the fearful. He returns to Gotham and unveils his alter-ego: Batman, a masked crusader who uses his strength, intellect and an array of high-tech deceptions to fight the sinister forces that threaten the city.
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Filmento I’m going to be honest I don’t think that he is an actual narcissist cause narcissistic personality disorder is way worse I was raised by a narcissist and his not as likable or can even change I think tony stark just has ADHD which is very similar to what I have. And I don’t think there’s nothing wrong with saying whatever you want people need to control their emotions.
A narcissist is more similar to thanos or maybe Justin hammer without his goofy personality. Tony is just a privileged asshole with ADHD and narcissistic traits.
I would, but I haven't seen Us yet.
@@lunatic4152 That's exactly what he's arguing though, that Tony Stark isn't actually a true narcissist, he just acts that way because that's the kind of environment he's been living in. The examples of selfless acts and genuine empathy he has for others pokes holes through that facade. That helps make him likable.
It's been 8 months could you make a BIRDBOX movie
you have an interesting accent, where are you from?
*2:58** "If you have a lead character with a downright villain like personality, here's how you can turn them into one of the greatest heroes of all time."*
**cough cough** Megamind **cough cough**
Suffered a lot, has a good heart beneath the villain facade, is funny... Hey, it fits.
Megamind was good, really good, from the beginning.
RobinMcBeth next episode: how to turn a hero into a villain
Totally agree
thank god they never made megamind sequels...
(They probably would have tarnished the name if they tried)
"Sure, it's a tough universe, but there's no excuse for being an asshole. Unless you're funny with it, then it's kinda totally fine." - Handsome Jack
Aw yeeeah, Borderlands. :)
Great throwback. Handsome Jack is the perfect example of being funny making a totally despicable human being likable.
True
Exactly, Tony always makes us smile but captain marvel is just a douche for the sake of being a douche and feminazi just went crazy with her film(that time they kicked all the men from a theater), also the actor simply pissed me off by saying she is definitely worthy, when in reality she never was and never because she never made a self-sacrifice like cap or like Tony(they made a self-sacrifice multiple times) these are the only one who deserve to lift the hammer apart from thor and vision
@@iskandar7354 When you're so focused on being offended and angry at things chances are you won't enjoy life much and it's hard to be funny and laugh when you see an issue in everything.
And in case anyone takes my comment the wrong way I'm referring to feminazis.
Anyone else think Hammer saying "I'd like to point out that test pilot survived" is one of the funniest lines in the MCU?
I think that, but I cannot watch this scene. Give me Saw, give me Hannibal, give me anything bloody and brutal. I can handle that.
But for some reason I can't watch this scene of the suit pilot getting twisted 180 without wanting to puke. 🤷♂️🤮
Justin Hammer isn't supposed to be funny. He was modeled after Grand Morf Tarkin in the comics. Iron Man 2 ruined him.
“I’d like to point out that that test pilot survived” me after doing anything in ksp
@@thefederalrepublicoferusea3900 same
Also, Erusea yes
@@antona.8659 nah he wasn't ruined
1. He suffered physically. 2. His flaws are treated as flaws. (mostly) 3. He's funny
Joel Zedwick entire video
4. He’s likeable and relatable.
@@donalddeluxe6407 Nothing screams relatable like being a multi-millionare
Axi Light 5. He is actually vulnerable.
@@An_Axident Is that sarcasm?
went from Merchant of Death to Savior of the Entire Universe.
If that ain't character development then character development doesn't exist.
Michael Kean underrated comment 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Then I'm sad. I thought character development exists, but with your words...
Well, fellsbad, man.
Well... half of the universe.
Nanako Kuroi no near the end of endgame thanos said he’d destroy the entire universe so people like the avengers can’t oppose him
Legion 69 lol
Tony went from borderline villain to selfish hero to true hero to broken hero to legend. He constantly questioned whether he's doing the right thing or not and sometimes when he thinks he is, it backfires on him. That's one of the things that makes this character so likable. There is struggle and a degree of realism to his journey that makes audiences want to see him make it through.
I'm gonna frame this comment because YES. THIS EXACTLY. this sums up iron man's character
The MCU Iron man variant is one of a kind so much character development
“TONY STARK was able to build this in a cave. With a box of SCRAPS!”
Captain Marvel: “I’m sorry...but I’m not Tony Stark.”
@@gooseofwar5711 nor is she the next Tom Cruise, that's for sure.
Ender nah she wants to “bE tHe NeXt Me” not the next Tom cruise
And thus he teams up with Jake Gyllenhaal
Erty853 I get that reference
As said by Paarthurnax in Skyrim, "What is better: to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
However, I say that it is better to not overcome your evil nature by being as good as you possibly can. Instead, it is far better to accept your evil nature as well as your good nature. From there you simply combine both of your natures into the best level of Balance as you reasonably can. Then you will become the best individual you can reasonably become. Balance is everything, after all.
Yea a skyrim fan let’s go
I've always been good. That said, to overcome your evil nature through great effort means you really want to be good. I think that being always good does not gauarantee you will always be good -perhaps a humiliating experience or being treated as sh*t for being good can cause you to fed up and turn evil. I've seen that and that's sad. Better your will to be "tested" in your life to make sure you are really good, or strong enough to keep being or turning into a really good person.
AY!
@Stellvia Hoenheim Yeah, let's fuck that dragon.
“You either die a villain or you live long enough to see yourself become the hero”
-Harvey Dent on Opposite Day
"Bad Santa"
@Lakshyaplayz i think this is a parody on an opposite line
Yes it is, that is two face from dc
Amazing
@Lakshyaplayz honestly applies to Dragon Ball more then any franchise with stuff like Tien, Oolong, 18, 17, Fat Buu, Piccolo and of course Vegeta
-Rudol von Stroheim
''I'd like to point out that that test pilot survived'' LOL
and he has a brand new hammer industries wheel chair courtesy of hammer industries!
Mr. Mammuthus Africanavus I assumed it was remote control but god, a guy was in that suit when it made that sharp right. OW
In Doctor Strange, one of the cases he skips over is for that test pilot
@@citizenerased7214
What ?xD that's awesome
Reminds me of Robocop 2
Difference with Tony and Carol?
Tony was developed in his origin movie...
@@tonybutweird3 according to Terrible Writing Advice, yes, but according to common sense, he’s wrong (nothing against him tho)
@@docrofreborn7497 lol
Who's Carol?
@@tonybutweird3 Her entire development is straight up "I was weak as a kid so now I must become powerful."
@@cousinegg1278 I was powerful as a kid so now I am powerful now and then I get MORE
How to make Tony stark into a likeable here
Step 1: Robert Downey jr.
Step 3: Laugh
its even better since RDJ used to be in a bad situation so he fits with tony starks character very well
Oh my god its rober downey jr
Well yes but actually no. Choosing RDJ is a gamble itself because his rep is just starting to recover at that time.
Perfect
Comedy = likability is very true. Just look at the Joker a mass murdering psychopath who ruins lives but still has a fanbase rivaling Batman's
But how can that be?
@@dafilmqueen556 because he's a funny
@@imstupid7614,ok😬
@@dafilmqueen556 He's charismatic, witty, and appealing. Comedy was the icing on the cake.
@@th3azscorpio,but with what backstory?How do we know who he is?Don't mention the 2019 Joker movie,cause we don't know if that's genuine!
Tony Stark wasn't always the hero, he was always the protagonist
I’ve been saying this. Iron man is the industrial military complex (said Stan Lee.) he wasn’t suppose to be the hero, and to make us emotional connect to him then pin him against a hero they made a villain, Thanos acting like an upside down savior. It makes neither side just. A comprise of who will they make us believe in.
@@leoki4804 Thanos was a raving mad psychopath, nothing remotely savior about him. Don't believe the stupid dilusioned bullshit he was feeding his followers, he is the villian for christ sake.
Thanos is protagonist for infinite war... but Tony replace him on end game... the design of tony when stan lee make him to make a lovable asshole...
@@Carewolf Psychopath sure, but he wasn't raving or mad, at least in infinity war. There's a certain logic to it that makes sense, it isn't stupid at all. If you pay attention, there's a reluctance about him in that he understands the cost but sees it as a necessary evil. He is seen as the villain because we spent a decade building up the avengers and friends as heroes. The heroes oppose him hence he's the villain. Maybe stop viewing it in such simplistic terms. From Thanos' perspective, he's the noble reluctant guy with a messiah complex, he isn't spiteful or vindictive. Thanos in infinity war was a complex character. In endgame he became more of the stereotypical villain who wants to destroy the world.
@@doryfishie2 No, it makes no sense. If you kill half a population it will just grow back in 50 years, if you if keep doing it, the population will keep replacing itself faster and you end up needing to do it every 20 years.
If you have been paying attention in class, you would also note that populations stop growing at some point. (in the western world this has already come to pass 30 years ago) So he killed people for no reason AT ALL, and doing so will force him to having to do it again and again with shorter intervals..
His logic was so momentally stupid, I can not describe it as anything but raving mad.
EDIT: Though, the character and his plan was probably written in the 60 or 70 when we still thought populations would keep growing exponentially forever, so it might have made more sense back then. Though it is still under that idea only a temporary fix
when yinsen tells stark " dont waste it dont waste your life " , that's the moment Tony became iron man and eventually saved half the universe
@absolute freedom of speech or death what does that have to do with this comment lol
@absolute freedom of speech or death no need to get angry, absolute freedom of speech or death
@absolute freedom of speech or death bro stop spamming
And in a beautiful piece of bookending, Iron Man's story ends the way it begins: an old man's life, knowingly and freely sacrificed.
@@theAstarrr Katniss isn't a superhero. a better example would be any chick in the black panther movie, or wanda
What makes Stark better than Danvers is the fact he didn’t start off perfect.
And he's charismatic
other words he didn't start of as a gary steu , instead of danvers who is basically a bad female version of shazam only more mary seu
BSJ IN YO HOUSE Technically neither did she. Plus she’s only been in 2 movies. I don’t have a problem with her but I’m not sure I can say I really like her yet.
Tony has an actual personality though.
I still had no idea of Carol's after her film which is a let down from the same studio who did such a great job with Steve Rogers (another character I had zero interest in) straight out of the gate.
Also casting can sometimes make a character worth seeing or reconsidering. RDJ and Chris Evans worked. Brie, not so much. I didn't know anything about her so I was happy to wait but her actual personality is as offputting as Carol was poorly written. So they lost me there. Does she embody comic Carol right now? Yes. Problem is Carol isn't very interesting or likeable. She doesn't have to be likeable so that's not a huge issue for me, but she isn't interesting either, isn't relatable, has no clear character traits, no charm, no scorching screen chemistry with anyone either. So... I might skip the sequel.
The first film was such a major disappointment for me, in terms of the phase 4 standard that I'm thinking twice about doing that again with an uninteresting character that's poorly written.
And because Robert Downey Jr. is actually a likeable actor unlile Brie, and no am not sexist nor against “Female Power yady yada “ but she’s plain unlikeable unlike other Female avengers,say Scarlet Witch and Black widow and The Wasp
here's the difference between Tony Stark and Carol Danvers:
when Tony Stark is a douchebag, it's presented as a character flaw he must overcome, even if it is glamorized for the sake of comic relief. over the course of the MCU Tony IS forced to learn humility and to accept his own vulnerability.
when Carol Danvers is a douchebag, she is actively rewarded for it by the narrative. Her hotheaded responses are meant to be scenes about her own empowerment and willingness to stand up for herself, even though traditionally the audience upholds vengefulness as against heroic values. we inherently have higher expectations for her because he is paraded as the ultimate symbol of female power but then she lashes out in a way that is disproportionate to what is happening to her.
Tony Stark being a jerk is just him covering his insecurities. Not the case with Carol Danvers.
@Gabriella Maroney I find the shield comment amusing though? How was Capt. Marvel’s level of snark any different from any other character?
"How come Tony Stark doesn't receive the same criticism as Captain Marvel?"
Because _Tony Stark_ begins as a terrible person, and ends as much flawed but better person at his first film. And then goes on to become the greatest hero of the MCU.
And _Carol Danvers_ starts as a asshole that people like for some reason and ends as a powerful asshole that people call a hero for some reason. And then goes on to be a powerful asshole that people still call a hero for some reason.
I have a theory that Captain Marvel, in the comics, is not meant to be a likable, good person.
Comic Carol is pushy, inconsiderate, brash and very little can challenge her overwhelming power. She's a jerk who happens to like saving people and "doing the right thing" as she sees it, it puts her on the side of the heroes but she's not pleasant. She's an interesting study where her deeds are heroic, but her personality and morals are much less so.
In the movies, she was made with all the power and inconsiderate nature, but was _presented_ as someone you were supposed to like. She beats up who she thinks are the bad guys just not because it's the right thing to do, but because she's powerful and she can. She's does what she wants because how are they gonna stop her? She never shows any care about other's suffering. But then the movie goes and shows all of this as "WOW WHAT A STRONK FEMALE CHARACTER" and expects you to love her, every good guy in the movie loves her, when she's done nothing lovable.
Compare that to Steve Rodgers, who has incredible power and is still a polite, kind person who would rather not use those powers until he has to.
Compare that to Tony Stark, who is a flippant, rude, powerful jerk who a _lot_ of people in-universe dislike because of that, but we love because we are shown that under that his heart is in the right place and he (eventually) cares about others and will cross the line for them.
Compare that to Natasha Romanov, who was raised and trained to be an immoral killer and spy but deeply regrets what she's done and cares for her allies.
Now Carol Danvers again. All the power, entitlement, and rudeness, none of the humanity of the others.
She's not the power fantasy of a good person. She's the power fantasy of a Karen.
She’s a hero cause she saves the innocent. There’s no way to consider her anything but a hero just cause she’s an asshole.
@@spectraphantom9374 Except for that one time she wanted to murder a kid just because some precog said he was going to be INVOLVED in a major catastrophe. Who was the one to call her on her Bullshit? Tony Stark.
It’s like injustice 2 all over again!
Supreme Power vs. True Justice
Origin Cross-Z I’m talking bout the movies not the comics. Even still she did what she felt was necessary in trying to kill miles, maybe not the most ethically sound move but it was the most logical.
@@spectraphantom9374 saving the innocent doesn't make you a hero... It makes you appear to be a hero... A true hero is defined by their convictions & beliefs... A pedophile can save a child from a burning building so they can abuse them later.. is that person a hero because they saved an innocent? Nooo... It's the reason behind the act that defines a true hero...
Yingsin, thank you for mentioning him. His sacrifice is what Tony did in the endgame. For the good of others
Tony suffered for his character flaws and was forced to outgrow them in order to triumph. Captain Marvel demand to be celebrated for her personality as it is now - and more importantly, as apparently it has always been - showing no growth or change over time. It's that simple.
Not to mention that her film's defining story lie, that the Skrulls are refugees, not terrorists, is not one the story allows to be her fault, even while her being the hero means she will grow from embracing the truth... Granted, Iron Man cheats with also, having Tony not know his weapons were being sold to the other side --- there is a certain level of innocence and naivety superheroes have to have to make the genre work -- but overall, Tony is AWARE that he's a weapons dealer and is aware of the consequences of war, he shamelessly promotes it. Carol has an almost identical story to Tony's, but because amnesia is sprinkled in, she's not held accountable for her actions... in the middle of killing someone just because her bosses told her too, we're supposed to also feel sorry for her because she doesn't remember her family. Okay, but you're kinda creating this impression that she'd be perfect of only it weren't for the Kree messing with her head.
Thor was wrong about the frost giants. Strange was wrong to doubt magic. Peter was wrong not to stop that one criminal. Does Carol get to BE wrong?
Katherine Lott. True, Captain Marvel doesn't feel like a hero. She just ends up on the right side.
@@youtubevoice1050 That's because nothing in the movie happens because of a decision she made. The closest thing you have to it is that when she had the choice to trust Jude Law or Ben Mendelsohn, she picked the one who hadn't been lying to her the whole time. Congratulations.
She doesn't grow as a result of that decision, and we eventually learn that she didn't grow into it, either. The flashbacks at the end reveal to us that she *never* listened to her detractors, that she *always* got back up, and so she triumphed by just doing the same thing she did when she was like eight. It removed all the stakes from her character because it waited until the end, then told the audience, nah, she was always like this. But the writer(s) were in a corner at that point because they had shown her getting knocked down all those times, but they also showed her as a successful test pilot and a competent member of Jude Law's team. In story terms, she *had* to get back up in the past in order to be where she was at the time the movie takes place.
Contrast that with (spoilers for other movie) Spider Verse. There's a theme through the movie about how Spider Man always gets back up. But at first Miles doesn't do that, he's just a scared little kid. They show him having expectations heaped on him at school, and then when he gets his powers, the other Spider Guys heap *their* expectations on him. And at first he *fails* because he's not them and he doesn't "know thyself" a la Neo. His arc peaks fantastically in the What's Up Danger scene, where he embraces both his responsibility and his individuality. And at the end, he gets back up, because Spider Man always gets back up. But he *earned* that moment, he grew *into* it, and we were cheering him right along with his father.
God, just thinking about it right now reminds me how that movie was like 100 times better than Captain Marvel. *That* is how you write a story. You can make a character strong and brave and heroic and diverse without making him/her perfect front the word go and without lecturing the audience on how to embrace diversity. It's okay for your character to have flaws and overcome them, because we all have to do that, even the people who aren't "privileged" white males. You get people on the side of your hero not by saying she was always perfect and it's their own fault for not seeing it, but by showing them how "you're like me".
@@Cityweaver "Does Carol get to BE wrong?" Holy crap you can boil down all the problems with that movie to this one statement.
@@TheSchaef47 Spider-Verse was awe-inspiring, and you are so correct, it uses the exact same theme in a much more heroic way.
Most of the scenes I was supposed to feel the most from in Captain Marvel were quintessential Marvel scenes, just... always undercut by some pretentious energy.
I watched the original Thor in theaters multiple times because I FELT something when Thor utterly failed to lift his hammer, Loki told him father died, Loki schemed and scammed and it was all to cover up his prank and be the good son, and Thor apologized openly, admitting he failed and got his powers back. It was a simplistic-ass film, but I loved those boys. CM has all the same kind of story beats, between Talos trying to do right and Carol losing and regaining power and memories... but I just left the theater appreciating the Skrulls twist and feeling very little investment. I even forgot to take my mom to see it, so when I DID take her to see Endgame... XD
(I go to every MCU film opening Thursday or Friday. And then take my mom on the 2nd weekend, when crowds have calmed down. She asked me to take her twice for Black Panther, Homecoming and Spider-Verse. Oh dear GOD, was she mad when Thanos snapped them. I had to reassure her that a sequel was already filmed and would be in theaters in a year.)
"The punishment [he] is forced to endure for being who he is"
"It no longer matter who Tony Stark was and what he did before. All that matters is who he is and what he does now"
"Deep down he's a good person with a golden heart"
These lines directly conflict with the mindset and values of those who defend Captain Marvel and write modern comics
Heck! It even conflicts with the ideas many Twitter users promote and support
TL:DR - Tony Stark became loved because he showed character growth, shedding his negative traits and gaining positive ones - growing as a person. Captain Marvel starts out as an alouf douche and ends as one, only fighting for another side in a conflict.
Let's hope she develops a character growth at the end of it all...
There’s also the fact that playing this role had a huge positive effect on RDJ in real life too.
@@Bastoto I hope she becomes a villain. now there's an Avengers movie i'd watch
her character isnt likeable even on the comics
@@Bastoto I don't think so.
Her character is like that. She's unlikable even in the comics.
I don’t think MCU iron man would mean anything without Robert Downey Jr
Idk, throw a Siamese twin in there. Builds a double suit. Even better, they use the nanotech lile Tony in IW. But are horrible at it because they are telling.the suit to do two diff.things.............. I mean, it's a shit film without without RDJ, but I mean itd def mean ......... something
the thing is RDJ didn't even have to act for the part. if you look at his actual life, downfall, and turnaround he pretty much is Tony Stark IRL
@@CmrSchmidlap No He's Not~ Look At The 2020 Interviews In Doolittle He's Acting Off Now And Some Interviews In Sherlock Holmes You'll See He Doesn't Do those Snarky Comments
Edit: Young Rdj Is A Goofy Man He Acts Unlike Tony Stark
Rdj Does That In Marvel Interviews To act Like Tony Outside Movies
Hatches Ropen
Lmao, true
@@user-lf7dv7kn5y Ahem, he's talking about RDJ's life story NOT his behaviour in interviews. RDJ went from a new actor, to getting stuck with drug addiction, he goes from there via cheese burgers (i am not lieing, im being entirely serious, cheeseburgers got him out of his addiction), and Marvel decides to take a chance with RDJ rather than i think it was tom cruise as tony stark. So now compare that to the Tony stark in Iron man 1. We have a person who has everything and being seen for the first time by an audience (us), and is selling weapons of mass destruction (the Drugs in this analogy), the cheeseburger is getting trapped in a cave, and coming out of the cave a new person is marvel deciding to take a chance with him. TADA. Heck @Hatches Ropen even specified if you look at *'his actual life, downfall, and turnaround he pretty much is Tony Stark IRL'*, and looking at his life IRL he's the closest we are gonna get to the Tony Stark we see in the movies not just because of how he acts but because of how his life went and thats the point @Hatches Ropen was trying to make.
He’s funny, hot, charismatic, and confident. That’s very important when making an arrogant character work.
Hot?
Lol
@@user-ti6ix5tn2o *-hot-*
I'd argue "flawed" is the most important character trait to make an arrogant character work.
@@oriontigley5089 True, but you need those four ones above to make them popular. Fangirls don’t tend to go insane over flawed characters that aren’t hot, charismatic and funny
Tony stark can pull off being a douch because it is only a facade for his fears and insecurities. Captin marvel is just a douch and doesn't grow.
I don't understand the hate for Cap. Marvel. I mean, she's kinda bland, but everyone seems to expect that her character to be really good only on a single movie. If the writers try to use the same formula of character development like Tony Stark to Carol Danvers, don't you think it's kinda copying?
Just give the character some time to develop, she's only been in two movies. Doctor Strange was bland in his movie but became memorable in Infinity War and Endgame.
@@ac_fauzan2805 it doesn't have to be the same formula be she needs to have a redeeming quality. Until then she sort of has the character structure of a villan. All powerful and full of themselves.
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That's my point. I think the creative team from Marvel Studios, decided to make her like that? I mean, look at Spider-Man. He's very different from the comic book iteration, and a lot of fans still dislike that. But the director John Watts said in an interview that he (I guess, the writers too) purposely let Spider-Man be different, and stated that they need to show Spidey's school years first, or something like that. But my point is, *they are taking time to build their characters,* and I believe they are doing the same with Captain Marvel. Notice that her personality in her solo movie and Endgame is the same; that's because they purposely write her that way. And after some time, the character will grow as more MCU movies come out, *so we won't get bored of her in the future.*
IMO, if what i think is true, then Marvel Studios did a really good job handling Cap Marvel, because believe, everyone will change their mind if she suddenly become a better character *on the perfect timing.*
@@ac_fauzan2805 yea almost like they want it to be as good as the other marvel movies hmmm here is a thought maybe dont shove your bland feminist icon down our throats for 2 years prior to the release of the movie and then shame everyone who doesnt like it? that seems counter intuitive.
@@ac_fauzan2805 no they didnt put any of the foundations to build her character more...... this argument would only be valid if they didnt give her story a beginning a middle and an ending a clear definitive ending they did......and they didnt do any world building for her. she just is and marvel knows it because they started crying misogyny the minute people said it sucked so dont act like they didnt know it was a bland shitburger when they tried to shame people into silence and denounced all criticisms as hatred. thats a tactic to silence dissenting opinions and its used when their is validity to people criticisms.
In my opinion the reason why Danvers comes of as so unlikable, unlike Tony, is because her arrogant attitude is betrayed as a positive trait in her movie whilst in Iron Man this trait is shown to be a flaw in Tony's character. If maybe the next move focus' on Danvers as a character and maybe acknowledges this flaw in her and maybe make her change in someway I would find her to be much more likable.
that would upset the feminazis, so that isn't happening.
This is the big thing, yes. Danvers has a hostile, unpleasant personality. Danvers is narcissistic. Danvers is cruel and violent towards others. All of these might be forgivable...
If the movie portrayed them as flaws. If it showed the people she hurts sympathetically, and highlighted that her actions were for the worse. If her ego caused her to make mistakes. If people refused to associate with her because of her unpleasantness. Like they did with Tony.
The movie does not. Danvers is shown as great and amazing while being a horrible person. And that's why she's hated--she's not only a bad person, she's a bad character, her story was badly written, and she is bad for Marvel and those who enjoy it.
They won't. Cap Marvel is the exact same way in the comics.
Small correction, 'portrayed', not 'betrayed'.
@@Zoten001 well the female captain marvel failed it did horribly
I’m just going to say it, a large chunk of it comes down to acting. Robert Downey Junior has a charisma and charm very few people have. He’s a legendary actor who was able to bring an entire genre to the mainstream. Brie Larson is not Robert Downey Junior. Maybe after some more experience she could play up the charm and likability but it really doesn’t show now.
I don't really *want* to see another character playing Tony Stark. Especially Carol - she's a dry, almost stoic person with a less showboaty personality than Tony and a fairly deadpan sense of humour. Which personally I quite like but doesn't seem to be very popular in America.
If Cheese Thief had the chops to act well, we would have seen signs of it by now.
She's the new thor.The blonde powerhouse who has starts off with a couple garbage films but eventually gets into the role.
Robert Downey Jr is a huge reason iron man and tony stark are such good characters, but the writing is what made him special. If tony stark is written like Carol Danvers that doesn’t have any sort of change other than unleashing her powers, which is already not good enough, then he is fundamentally not good enough and does not work in this movie as a exceptional protagonist. Also the ending of endgame would not work because before we would have not seen any sort of change before this and the whole build up to it would have came out of left field.
@@MultiCommissar Nah dawg, she was really good in The Room, and her resume is solid. I think it's a stylistic decision they made for Carol Denvers.
"With great power comes great responsibility".
Tony had to understand that lesson to become a hero, not just being a powerful man. And that's quite the maturation process for such an irresponsible guy.
TH-camVoice He took too much responsibility and he died
Self-sacrifice is the ultimate heroic act.
@@nont18411 You mean he became a true hero, one to be memorialized and truly respected because he did the ultimate act of heroism, sacrificing his own life and dreams for others
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@@ChindlerBong Lebensraum (please get the reference) 😅
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 rather confused as to how Hitler’s plan of Lebensraum affects this
@@Wter-oy1dh It's a reference to a certain TH-cam video. You wouldn't understand, so I won't bother explaining.
@@lelouchvibritannia4028 it’s oversimplified isn’t it
Tony stark wasn’t portrayed a hero, he was anything but. Over the course of the MCU movies he grew to became one and that is what makes him likeable.
Denver’s, on the other hand has her heroism being shoved down or throat and doesn’t go through anywhere near the arc that tony has gone through. She just lands and we have to accept her as the “strongest mcu hero”.
Plus, Brie is unlikeable and Robert has real charisma
adnan naemaz It’s amazing what character development can do.
@@ntmetroid ikr
I thought people hated Brie because her SJW antics and her flat ass.
Danvers
@@jacal92 That doesn't help her but if the movie was good it wouldn't matter. There are plenty of good actors on screen with good roles who are bad people off, she unfortunately only got the last point.
Pretty simple way to differentiate Tony Stark from Carol Danvers:
Iron Man has a character arc.
Over 22 movies. Denvers has been in 2
@@bita3422 his first movie solved one of his flaws. Captain Marvel's first didn't solve anything.
@@kristoffer2250 other than going from a good soldier that obediently supressss her emotions and does what she's told without question, because it's the leader's will, and the leader is obviously right, to somebody who thinks on her own, trust her own judgement, and rejects the mold she was forced into?
Maybe actually watch the movie?
@@bita3422 Miles Morales was in one, and he had way more character, and character growth.
Most characters only get one movie to tell their story, the long arc of the MCU had spoiled us to a degree. But Tony absolutely has an arc in Iron Man 1 unto itself. All the MCU movies, for better or worse, have a self-contained story arc, so that the viewer can just drop in, watch any one movie by itself, and have at least a B+ experience. Shoot, they basically hit the rewind button on Black Panther in order to give him an arc within the movie. Which, by the way, was a movie that had him learn hard truths about his legacy, sympathize with his enemy, and still come through with growth and change, being a hero and protector but also stepping out from the shadow of his nation's traditions.
Daemonworks But the film never allows it to be her fault. The film insists that it’s because the Kree messed with her mind that she became that way. It never allows it to be her own personal mistake she made of choosing to follow them.
I'd say that more accurately, people can like villains as long as they're *entertaining*. A villain for example may not have an actual sense of humor, but might be so bombastically flamboyant that people get entertained just watching them do their stuff.
Castor Troy from Face Off
Like, Joker, Handsome Jack, Harley Quinn, and for a hero example Ezio from assassins creed
@@simoneangeliquemaloney3990 AC 2 has similar flow. He starts as bit arrogant kid. But soon looses everything he has. Then he rise up again from ground. It's best assassins credd game
@@prateekpanwar646 amen...
Justin Hammer, so very much, he was the man Tony would have become without the kidnapping and breaking down of his self-righteous death salesman persona.
Most countries: 10 year
Hammer industries: 20
Best roast of the movie
so uh it's been ten years where are our iron man suits?
@@rayshiotile9487
Hahahahahahhahahahahah
*Mark 85 would like a word with you*
@@rayshiotile9487 a company called gravity made one but only with the flying ability. You can buy it for around $330000
@ XD
@@shiveshr1311 If that's true, that actually not that bad. It's basically the price of a house.
Carol Danvers is too narcissistic and didn't work for her powers. Tony knows he can't do something and tries it anyway, working towards a likely impossible goal (1/14mil) for the greater good, while Danvers takes herself like a tank and thinks she can do anything she wants, and that she is better than everyone else. She believes she's able to take Thanos on by herself and would win instantly, and MARVEL doesn't do enough to make her a human character like everyone else in the MCU and uses it as a 'strong female idol that can take on the 6 items that created the fucking universe' for anti-vaccination feminists.
Wow, you are the entire state of Missouri. xD
Couldn't agree more.
agreed, Captain Marvel is the only marvel movie i haven't seen, and won't see. mainly because carol danvers is a sexist ego maniac. walking in on set like she is hot shit when other actors and actresses worked their ass off to get where they are. just like her character, she thinks she is better than everyone else, i am not interested in watching a character with all the qualities and traits of a frat douche, or a Karen.
@@matthewedwards6454 And even spiderman has a rounder ass than Carol and I'm not even gay. XD
Hopefully, her character gets better with time, one plot point that'll help a lot is if she loses her powers. So far it seems she has had it easy as a super hero.
@@imnotstupid5058 So, you say 'Rogue' ? Brace yourself, Xmen is coming
I remember watching Iron Man when I was younger and when I didn’t know anything about him. I hated his guts at first and was hoping he would learn from his mistakes, and he did. It’s why when I try to make redeemable assholes as someone who writes for fun, I always look at Iron Man as an example
Iron man has charm and his flaws are portrayed negatively.
Captain Marvel on the other hand......
No charm and her flaws are portrayed as positive.
Brie Larson is a meh actor and is an *_angry square_*
The plot of the Justin Hammer solo film should be him overcoming adversity and finally getting laid
With the hot blonde journalist
From what we see in the Marvel Shorts, he doesn't have a problem getting laid....
RZ lmfao I forgot about that.
That's his wife in real life
@@vis_2340 tomatoanus
Tony Stark didn't think of himself as a hero. But when he found himself in a world without any heroes around, he chose to try and become one.
i think that scene where tony is blasted back by his own repulsor is very telling. it really shows how after tony's arrogance was (literally) beaten into him, he's still kind of repairing. the smartest man in the world didn't account for kickback from a literal energy launcher.
Its part of his character, he thinks its fun, he suffers from it and changes. Captain Marvel just does it because it just seems like she is that, and she is applauded for it. If anything she gets worse throughout the movie.
What did she even do though? She doesn't act like a jerk to people in the movie. She doesn't act nice either, but she's no jerk simply because she isn't nice.
@@darrienjones8917
She gives attitude to everyone. She acts really smug and full of herself throughout the whole movie. She is way too damn serious and just seems to want to use everybody for her own gain besides Fury.
And don't even get me started on how stupid the actual story was.
Rhinopocalypes I thought it was ok
@@nolan2869
Its a Marvel movie, its basically impossible to suck. It was watchable because of the action but if you actually think about it after you can easily see all the flaws.
Rhinopocalypes I don't know, I enjoyed the plot, the twist was pretty cool, the characters were likeable. I feel like people crap on it to much, it's not that bad of a movie, and I don't think it deserved half the hate it got.
Did anyone actually LIKE Tony stark's behaviour in Iron Man at the begining or did they understand the trials and tribulations that was required to get himself to that point?
He literally gets blown up, shrapnel in his chest, and nearly loses every last bit of life before realizing his actions affect his future.
Why would he change until he learned that lesson?
Nope, I would probably skip the beginning of Iron man now just based on how he acts. But since theres so much great character story and development, thats why I would rewatch it everytime.
I would expect no one liked how he was before and that's kinda the point, the movie doesn't want you to like that version of him
you are actually explaining how tony's character development is supposed to be interpreted while also still asking "why", it's a weird feeling
@@oniplus4545 It seems to me like a rhetorical question. He's saying "Why would he change before this? He wouldn't, so it was necessary", but leaving the last part as an implication.
Incidentally, it's a very good question to keep in mind when writing, I find. For the vast majority of people, the main reason they do immoral or harmful things is because they're getting something important from doing so. So one of the most effective ways to make them stop doing those things, and indeed even make them WANT to stop, is to ensure that they get no reward for their misdeeds. Or punishment for them, I suppose, but while it's easier to perform, it's less likely to change minds than the alternative.
Once it's in their own best interest to act more morally, they'll be pretty quick to do it. For some that will give them a taste of the joys of being a good person, and for others they'll revert back the instant it's to their benefit. As sad as it is, it's a rare person indeed who isn't motivated most thoroughly by "what's in it for me?". Even among heroes. A very useful bit of psychology to keep in mind when writing for characters, as well as for dealing with real people.
1:00 Guess: because RDJ's douchey behavior isn't presented as purely positive, whereas Brie's behavior is actually presented unapologetically. RDJ's character struggles, suffers, and learns to overcome his darker/abrasive nature, and I hope Brie's character learns to do the same.
After Watching: hmm, per usual, some nuances I hadn't considered. An interesting watch, and thanks again!
At a couple minutes I'm right with you....it'll be interesting to see what happens in the video.
Danvers is a half kree. Thats why she is arrogant
If you rewatch her movie, you see that it mirrors the Ironman movie, unfortunately mirrors are reversed. She makes the trip the wrong way, the flashbacks paint her as a genuinely likeable person, who has overcome adversity, and flaws, but now she's just some wooden soldier, no real personality, everything she does shows she can kill, and she can apparently build anything she needs from a box of scraps.
Seracen exactly
Exactly tony stark was written as this douche character. And he is treated as a douche in the movie. Cpt. Marvel is a douche but not treated as a douche. It just feels weird for the audience.
Lol marvel was also ahead of the villain becoming the hero trend before megamind and despicable me
Except that Tony Stark isn't committing any crimes compared to the characters in the films you mentioned
@@kaanakcay9670and most shonen anime
ehhhhhhh, megamind came out in 2010, only two years after the first iron man movie. There is no way they made that movie in under two years
Well yes but Megamind goes the extra 100 miles with it.
Paul Miguel Babon selling weapons to military industrial complex to fund endless regime change wars are war crimes that are more serious than the petty crimes megamind and gru commit
Tony had a MASSIVE overarching theme throughout the years he's been in the MCU, all relating to the theme of legacy. The legacy of the Stark Industries, the legacy of his father, and his own legacy, which now continues even after his death with Peter and Morgan (and if they do the right thing, Harley).
Ok, First of all, you can't Remake Tony Stark, it's just something that happens like once every thousand years, He was the best written character in the whole MCU, he had one of the best actors and one of the funniest human beings in the world doing the role "RDJ", so it's completely unfair to compare Danvers or any other character "maybe except Thor" with Tony Stark, But you're right, Danvers needs improving, A Lot of improving.
Agreed. People need to stop comparing other characters to Tony Stark. Only Tony Stark is Tony Stark. Also agreed that Carol needs improving. She's basically fine as she is but her own solo movie was focused more on getting her into position for Endgame than on establishing her as a character in her own right.
BTW, you should probably pass that "You can't rebuild Tony Stark" comment onto the people who wrote Dr Strange. :P
@@irrevenant8724 Filmento was not saying that captain marvel needed to be just like rdj’s iron man, he was saying that in concept she should have grown into a better character than what she was before that does not just have everything given to her. Just like how tony stark changes.
@@philswift1480 That sort of character growth arc is fairly common, but it's not the only viable one. Carol was on a character rediscovery arc rather than a character growth arc.
For the most part Steve Rogers is on a Flat Character arc - he's already fundamentally complete as a character and his main role in the films is as an exemplar to others.
I don't think Captain Marvel is the best film. It had to do to much work as setup for Endgame and Phase 4 to focus on Carol as much as would be ideal. But overall it was okay. And Carol was okay. No Tony Stark and a bit lacking in depth, but basically fine. I like her dry sense of humour.
@@irrevenant8724 I agree, I was saying that if they decided to go with the route of character growth and making her a better person overall, they could have succeeded more.
@@philswift1480 IMO this film also suffered for its placement in the lineup. It had to bridge Infinity War and Endgame, probably the two biggest hits in the entire MCU. It's also weird placement relative to the beeper reveal (which had a significant segment of the fandom insisting that Captain Marvel was going to fly in and single-handedly beat Thanos. Le sigh).
Personally I would've put Captain Marvel half a dozen films earlier so that by the time the beeper thinh came up viewers would go "Oh yeah, I'd almost forgotten about her!" rather tham "Huh?". And the film would've had a better chance of being judged on its own merits rather than in the context of Endgame.
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I’d like to point out that Hammer also suffers, which helps ground him as well.
Hammer has no redeeming qualities, but he doesn’t feel overbearing because he is ridiculously incompetent, and heavily undercut by the main villain.
He is made the laughing stock of an entire courtroom, and he just bounces off of that with further humour. You almost feel bad for the guy.
I think that helps to make him just that much more likeable.
Also i just noticed the scream of the guy in the suit.
I have to disagree with Hammer being likeable. He's everything Stark would still be if Stark hadn't gone through the first movie arc (except that he's not as competent as Tony). He wants so much to be the pre-Iron-Man Tony, without understanding what was wrong with that, or even that there is something wrong with that at all. The audience got to live that arc with Tony, so we get can see what Hammer misses. We pity him for that, and maybe hope that he can figure it out, but he's not what I would call likeable.
@@soulpa7ch Oh, by 'likeable' I think had meant that he wasn't annoying or soulless. When I watch Iron Man 2, I enjoy the performance his actor gives because his failures and basically being what Stark had been before he became Iron Man adds a lot of charm to what could have otherwise been a fairly bland antagonist.
Captain Marvel went through 0 struggles in her movie
That's not true. She had to decide if she was going to shout 'Wahoo!' or 'Yeah!' as she smashed apart spaceships filled with people.
@@scratchsoft2347 Not really a struggle tbh, in the grand scheme of things, its the same as her not knowing the answer to a maths question 😂
@absolute freedom of speech or death Wanda?
It's probably because she wanted to portray the idea of females being dominant
@@x_Fr0stee_x why would they want to do that?
tony stark was kidnapped by al-Qaida terrorists after a bomb went off in his face, Caral Danvers lost her memory for a little bit...
How many years are a little bit?
Never saw that cap karen movie ...but can say its stupid af
@Bobby da Costa Yeah that's a great point. No remorse after the fact over what SHE did, just anger over what was done to HER.
This plot point was already done with Bucky in the Cap trilogy. And it was done much, much better
And she got her powers by mistake, being stupid, with something she didn't understand. Not a lot to be proud and cocky about. Ugh, fuck that movie.
Y'know, if regaining her memories had maybe actually changed her behavior or outlook on the world to make her a more likable person (and if it wasn't done in the laziest way possible), I would maybe have been fine with her acting like a narcissistic asshole but alas she hasn't changed through that at all. Even in the 20+ years between her movie and Endgame she didn't.
They better be pulling her character around or else her movies will be as much a failure as her comic runs.
The turnaround scene for me is when Tony is screwing his gauntlet while watching the news report at 6:30. That's the scene Iron Man is born, that's where he decides he'll do something about it. The expression is very well acted out.
Marvel: “Captain Marvel is going to be an important character in Endgame”
Captain Marvel in Endgame: Saved Tony because something had to, did some light scouting a drone could’ve done, blew up a ship that the iron legion probably could’ve done, and got her ass handed to her by the power stone.
and we all loved that
Marvel: "Captain Marvel is going to be an important character in Endgame"
Captain Marvel: Allow me to introduce myse-
Ant-Man: Hey guys, it's me! Ant-Man! Remember me?
Ant-Man, Bruce Banner, Black Widow, and Iron Man are the most important characters of Endgame.
I'll add on Hawkeye because otherwise that sacrifice would have been in vain.
She can actually be cut completely and still have a coherent story. The only hanging thread is Tony getting back to Earth
Rather than the Iron Legion, I'd have Thor with the Power Stone.
@@trequor True. I'd bet that there were obviously times during production that the Russos went "Huh, you know... we could've gone without her completely."
Tony could've been saved by Rocket.
Why is Stark different from Danvers? Stark was humbled, Danvers is overpowered
tony stark has had 9 films to complete his arc. after iron man 1 he was still a douchebag, danvers has only had 2 (arguably one since she was barely in endgame)
Stark changed his ways in one move. Not in nine.
Facts
@@Castlecoke And Danvers changes hers in one movie too
@@ShadowSonic2 its not as powerful
I like the comparison between Tony Stark and Justin Hammer. They both feel well written, but RDJ and Rockwell are just so damn charismatic and funny that it really sells it.
I think prick is more accurate than villain
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Power is all that separates assholes from villains. A lot of people are assholes. A slightly different lot of people frequently break the law. But doing one or both of those things while in a position of (usually uncontendable) power is what makes you a villain.
@@dairoleon2682 What kind of dumbass reasoning is that?
@@christofferrasmussen6533 What, you mean logic? Explain to me what's wrong with my reasoning.
This video is proof Tony Stark has a heart.
this aged like fine wine
Honestly, the actor ruined it for me. Every time Larson was interviewed for the movie she came off as rude, arrogant and privileged. Robert is just so damn charming, on and off the screen. And you can't really build character on an already overpowered, with minute flaws. Iron man had major flaws but grew as the movie's went on. It doesn't seem like there can be that much development for her character. But that's my opinion.
I mean you can build character from over-powered, but part of it would require nerfing her or having an antagonist that exploits/punishes her flaws. That said, the current state of the character is meh at best, and the need for a second movie in order to change course/fix it shows that.
Ofcourse RDJ is humble. Ironman literally saved his career and made him one of the top grossing actors in hollywood.
Confident and Loudspoken Men are cheered, Confident and outspoken women are shunned.
Paige Pratt it’s not that simple
@@chickenmangaming1 yes actually.
Tony Stark of 2008 was immediately punished for his attitudes in the same movie.
TH-cam algorithm has got to have a wicked sense of humor recommending this after the dr doom reveals
He went from being an alcoholic womanizing warmonger to being a global defender, a devoted husband and father, and a mentor/father figure to another superhero.
In other words, he went from being the most Chad of all Chads to being a complete Good Guy Greg.
Iron man(2008) is probably the only superhero movie without a hero
The dark knight
@@6hramdeoavinash788 and both came out in 2008. What a great year for movies.
@@cwbader legendary
@@cwbader And both those movies have heroes.
dreamlandnightmare Batman isn’t a hero, he’s a dude in a bulletproof bat costume who beats up mentally unstable people
This aged well
Bruh, why you gotta do my boy Tony like that. That thumbnail lmao
@@gamerman360 goddayum dude.
@@gamerman360 Hell yeah!
It's called clickbait.
The reason he doesn't get over his narcissism and ego is because that's one long plot that goes through the whole MCU
It's been awhile since I've seen Iron Man but do they give him backstory to why Tony Stark behaved so despicable? I know in IM2 it's established he had a rough relationship with his father, but do we get a hint of it in the first movie?
"I got caught doing a piece for Vanity Fair" lmaooo. He wasn't lying.
I've heard so many people counter criticism of Cap Marvel with "no one cares that Tony or Thor are cocky/arrogant" here's the difference: yes people do, there's always been people who don't llike Tony for his attitude (even now honestly despite his arc) but more importantly: they both faced consequences for their arrogance/cockiness, or were humbled and either changed or went through one.
Cap Marvel almost seems like she just kept getting rewarded for her cocky attitude, there was no humbling moment
Tony is liked for his charisma, Carol is a plank of driftwood
Well, obviously Tony's recurring character arc in each of his solo films is him growing into a better person.
Carol lacks that.
Tony is deliberately a jackass at the beginning of his film, and through a harsh lesson, learns that he needs to give that up and become a better person.
Carol begins and ends as a jackass. She learns nothing, her poor qualities aren't improved upon, she's just a dry Mary Sue who many folks want to defend the terrible attributes of.
One can't defend Tony's illicit behavior, because he deliberately gives it up in his first film. He seems to stop drinking, at least heavily, and forgoes womanizing to pursue a relationship with the only woman who was ever there for him (even tolerating her heavy amounts of emotional abuse; when he was dying to a form of metal poisoning in Iron Man 2, and suffering from severe PTSD in Iron Man 3). He even shuts down the weapons manufacturing of his weapons company in the effort of trying to make amends for his history of slights.
Carol just goes from being a Kree puppet to being a living space laser with no actual emotional arc. She doesn't change as a person, and she does nothing to actually make amends for her actions under the Kree; any slights she's caused are shrugged off as being the result of those who controlled her.
Tony is about how one can make themselves better, Carol is about feminist power fantasies without responsibility and accountability.
Now we're turning him back into the villain.
I think it has something to do with yinsen changing Tony’s perspective and making him a better person before he dies giving tony a change of heart into making him want to save lives
Plus: He earned it. He works to get his power. Carol Danvers just finds them.
And: He can be beaten as a hero. And often does. That's what I hate about Superman, Rey and Carol: Even in times they loose, they are more or less unbeatable.
Are you saying supermans a bad character?
@@endman1008 No, I'm talking about a writer's point of view. They are written to be perfect.
@@Laufbursche4u not for supes, look harder and youlle see he can get his ass kicked have a good day
Superman has more humanity than most people.
Another reason: Tony Stark has been played by a likeable, great actor, Robert Downey, Jr. Danvers by Brie Larson.
That's sort off covered by the last point. RDJ's charisma is what makes Tony be able to pull off that personality.
@@MCShvabo
Just wondering, wasn't the actor also kinda a jerk in real life?
@@liamfaoisidheold I don't know, but she sure does come off as one in the interviews. But the thing is, she comes off that way cause she lacks charisma, if Robert said things she said, it would be funny.
The sad truth is that I liked her when she was younger. She was likeable and funny, now she's not.
@@sienkiewiczmonika1161 because now she "grew up" and even though she always (over and over and over again) says the opposite she thinks she's perfect, better than anyone and always right. And if you don't agree with her and share her same "values", you're wrong.. And her attempts to be funny fail because most of the time she tries to be "mean funny" kind of like RDJ and she doesn't have the charisma, voice tone, or facial expressions to pull it of and just comes off as annoying or cringey at best.. Honestly, this is not her fault. But, if you try to be funny in that way and it doesn't work, try to be funny in other ways. Stop trying to be "mean funny"....
“I’d like to say that test pilot survived” no he didn’t, his spine was twisted like a washcloth.
I'm fairly certain this is the spinal injury soldier case Stephen Strange was discussing over the phone seconds before his life changing car accident.
@@drakkenmensch wow that's a cool nod
I think that people like extremes. Tony had a lot of flaws, which made him interesting, but captain marvel just had sort of mediocre flaws, she was bland in an irritating way.
The main difference is Carol is given everything, while Tony has to earn it.
I love how brutal Tony was in this movie. I mean he slaughtered all those terrorists
"I'm Batman! I don't kill anyone, not even the insane clown who's killed hundreds of people!"
"Thunderstruck! Yeah, Yeah, Yeah! Cos I'm - Sorry? Oh, I couldn't hear you over the sound of being awesome."
@@Here_is_Waldo Bruce defeats his enemies but doesn't kill them
Causing problems for the short and long term future
Tony kills his enemies so that they won't ve a threat anymore
@@arch455 Actually, the real reason Batman doesn’t kill is because he knows he won’t be able to stop
wth? 🤣
@@ALJ9000yeah and like it’ll go from being the moral right thing to Batman will eventually enjoy the killing
Iron Man 3 was my favorite because i had a bad anxiety problem when i was younger, and out of no where Iron Man ended up constantly having panic attacks like I used to, and ever since then I've seen him in a new light. A very douchey, and rude personality was just a way for him to hide his own emotions and bury them down, for him to then in the end of the movie find some sort of peace with himself
I think the key is that Robert's acting shows him humble himself in the face of a real threat, as in he's cocky, he's flamboyant and as the audience were seeing this and going like "wow this guy is on a cloud" and then the villain shows up and you see his face, not in control, scared, and pessimistic and you can't help but like him and root for him because you realize he was just having fun, and now that may never happen again.
“I’d like to point out that that test pilot survived” me after I do anything in ksp
underrated comment only people who play KSP (Kerbal Space Program) will get this
When will we see the hero Filmento take on the stronger, smarter, faster, and sexier villain Moviemento?
Tune in same Iron Time, same Iron Channel!
Yeeeeah
I would've enjoyed Brie's character more if she had more flaws. I just don't find her personality that interesting...or existent.
@@revolverswitch they could just comment on her awkward, and smartass personality. Disney just needed to say she's a jerk because power came too fast
@DJHart she's about as well developed as a bag of old rice and twice as bland
@@bomberfett3439 dont disrespect rice like that
Or make her less op
she is tooo op.
Yeah, one big difference between Tony Stark’s douchiness and Carol Danvers’ is that the MCU acknowledges that Tony Stark is a douche. There’s a spotlight shining on it, and the characters around him react in a way we’d expect.
With Carol Danvers, she just acts that way and it’s not ever really acknowledged, nor does it affect her relationships with people. It just feels like tacked on attempts at comedy where the director went “Uh...this is the style of humor we’re supposed to do in the MCU, right? Yeah, that line sounds like something Tony Stark would say. Perfect, put it in”.
Alternate title: How to turn a controversial actor into a redeemable one.
This is a great dissection of the first Iron Man and it's an angle that I haven't seen taken with this movie before so good job moviemonto ❤
My favourite study in character development is Tales of the Abyss. The main character undergoes a massive transformation that turns an unlikeable asshole into a legitimate hero.
I love Tales of the Abyss for that reason. Especially the scenes where Luke has to catch himself when he acts like his old self
Please make a video about “Daenerys Targaryen-How not to make Hero into a Villain”
Film Perfection? Nah, this time it is Character Arc Perfection.
This is a good way of summarizing! I'd say the silly but serious attitude Tony continues with is indeed something he really develops for others, but it is a part of him. It's just like all of us being different with a friend around, except in his case it's maintained when he's with nearly anyone.
This channel is very underrated
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Can't be a coincidence that youtube recommended this to me after the Dr Doom reveal
We love him because of how good his character development
Why moviemonto
Am I missing a reference or something?
watch the previous vid
- your friend Moviemonto
@@Filmento i personally like moviemento with his new voice
@@giri1478 There is a new voice? XD
When people are disliking a character (like Rey), it's sad to see people in the comments section asking if they'd get as much hate if they were male instead.
Answer is yes, they would. There's nothing interesting about a Mary Sue.
So Luke Skywalker should be getting hate?
@@cosmo56 Luke Skywalker isn't perfect though? He has his character flaws and actually has a character arc. He wasn't immediately a bad ass with his lightsaber, he had to train multiple times before he became worthy of being a master.
Sooo I don't see how Rey and Luke are at all similar
@@ryapowa A guy who never left his planet or even heard of the Force can both be an ace pilot *and* deflect lasers with his saber within hours of even finding out it exists.
Yea, right.
@@cosmo56 How about his first fight against someone who also has the ability to use the Force? He got his hand cut off. At the very least, Luke had been described as capable of doing incredible feats and having knowledge of the technology being used when he drives a speeder.
Compared to Rey's first lightsaber fight with someone else who can use the Force and she manages to push him back and get away safely AND without ANY training. She also overpowered Finn earlier in the movie, a stormtrooper who had been trained ever since he was a young boy. How about the fact that the throne room scene was so awfully choreographed that they had to edit out of the guard's weapons?
@@ryapowa Just because Rey is better at things doesn't mean Luke isn't a Mary Sue. I think you're missing the point entirely.
Its so amazing.. Just seeing Tony Stark become such a great MCU character..
We love you 3000..
iron man is trash,
who am i kidding, captain marvel is trash
love iron man 3000
You had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Us in the first have,not gonna lie.
In the first half,not gonna lie
First half, not gonna lie
I'll tell you why: Tony Stark is actually human like us and goes through changes
Me (without watching the video yet): "Tony was NEVER a villain... take that back. He was not the perfect hero but he was NEVER a villain."
He kinda is
@@6hramdeoavinash788 he is not... that's the point. Im not deluding myself pretending he is a white dove. He was NOT a nice person, boss or friend in the majority of the time (not to say always) but he was never actively bad his only crime (and debatable) was sexual harassment everything else was just douche behavior. He never seek power or money, he never hurt anyone with the intention of hurting them, he never did any of the things villains do. He was never pushing his points of view on others thinking he was the only one right and ruling without listening to others or considering he might be wrong like Dr. Doom for example. He wasn't a psycho torturing others for the sake of it... etcetera etcetera. He can agree that he was wrong and bad on many things but not a villain that's way to far. I can give you antihero at best.
Montserrat Elechiguerra Chávez he kinda is a villain, besides a concept villain and heroes depends on a person, just look at wanda and her brother at avenger age of ultron, their family and their town got destroyed by weapons from stark industry so they think tony stark is a villain that using weapon to destroy, and this happen before tony got kidnapped by terrorist, so they view him as a villain
@@dherizdoabdullah1792 Because they have a skewed perception of reality. Stark made the weapons he didn't sell them to the terrorists that used them OBADIAH did. OBADIAH is still the villain here.
@@montselech the term 'sexual harassment' is too nebulous these days to mean anything.
Tony was not guilty of sexual harassment. He mentioned he'd have sex with a woman he found attractive, and the woman agreed. If she didn't agree, then she didn't agree. I don't find anything to suggest that was 'sexual harassment'. He didn't imply she slept her way to the top, or saying her only value was in her body.