“Certainly! Matthew 5:17-18 is a passage from the New Testament, specifically from the Gospel of Matthew. Here is the text of those verses (ESV): "17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished." In these verses, Jesus is speaking, and He emphasizes that He did not come to abolish the Law (which includes the Old Testament laws and teachings) but to fulfill them. He goes on to say that not even the smallest part of the Law will pass away until all is accomplished. This indicates the continuity between the Old Testament (the Law and the Prophets) and Jesus' mission as the fulfillment of that divine plan.”
Tolerance is another word for normalization. What happens when you take drugs for too long, you build up tolerance. What happens when you watch scarier and scarier movies/music/etc, you build up tolerance. What happens when you accept immorality.... you build up tolerance. Tolerance must be built up first in order to go further, otherwise it will be too unpleasant. Once you build up tolerance, it is very difficult and often impossible to reverse.
I can watch any horror movie but the modern politics and modern culture scares me. I believe forgot about how important Faith is to life, people are not valuing religious beliefs like they should. People need to treat Christian values with respect and go back to normal values instead of this modern soulless progressive values we have nowadays
Sodom and Gomorrah are very good examples of tolerance and allowing values to lessen. What happened to them? Nuked. I love the story of the angels sent in. Lot offered his daughters but the men refused that and was trying to get the two angels that appeared like men...WOW!
The amount of strain that is going on behind closed doors on both sides because of this I insurmountable. Best thing to happen to religion in years. A real discussion. Ty Jordan Peterson for going thru Exodus and this is inspiring as well.
Quran (only scripture with 100% accuracy/preservation) says Allah is “Al-Ahad”(one/indivisible).Philosophically, It is impossible for 3 distinct perfections to exist simultaneously. Father (Perfection 1/distinct1) =Son (Perfection 2/distinct2)=idolatry.This is due to addition of two extra perfections that are Co-equal/Co-eternal&distinct with Allah(the most Exalted). Not just the Quran, but also the old/New Testament textually establish tauheed(monotheism). So, then why believe in trinity and associate two imaginary parts to Allah(one/indivisible/Self-Sufficient/All-Loving)? How could your love/worship be undivided/exclusive for Allah(the most Exalted) when there are two other equally unique/perfect entities to adore? The verses of bible used by trinitarians are extremely vague and require hard interpretation to extract the understanding that Father/Son/Holy Ghost are Co-equal/Co-Eternal&distinct.
Being tolerant is one thing, changing and losing the principle itself is another thing. Christians are not only tolerant they lost the words/text that defined the principle.
Most Christians are confused as they do not study the word of God diligently. God in the bible has ask us to be tolerant of sinners by rebuking them. Not to tolerate sinful behaviour by joining them or to stay silent about them. Jesus preached about repentance everywhere he went. He sat amongst the tax collector, prostitutes, phraisees. Etc. When the Pharisees wanted to stone the prostitute, Jesus stopped them. Then turned to the prostitute and said. John 8:11 NIV "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin." Jesus did not say continue in LQBTQIA movement and have sex with who ever you want. We should love by rebuking each other and not to love to spoil each other. That is how Jesus lead and showed us his love. Which most Christians who are not well versed will spoil and encourage sinful behaviour in their foolishness. Bible warned about false teacher too. I will spend day talking about it if I continue. Please search up John MacArthur, Paul Washer, David Lynn, Spurgeon, Agustin. So many great defender of Christian faith that does not condone foolish tolerances but only Christ tolerance.
So why did Christians ever allow divorce, sex, usury, satanism to run unanimously superior. Why do we worship science instead of spirit. Why do we listen to whorish thuggish music, why do we wear sexual close. Because Satan the God of the world said it was ok. So do we worship God, or Satan? You can't worship both you know that. Stop listening to pastors and please for God's and your sake read the Bible
You cant truly believe anything this Athiest says... Hes an admitted athiest, but now that hes supposedly a "conservative reoublican" hes now a follower of the MOST HIGH. How about its JUST TO GET CHRISTAIN EVANGELISTS to subscribe and pay him. Dont be fooled by the Devil
You should NOT be tolerant. You should be understanding. You MAY tolerate that which you understand to be tolerable. You SHOULD NOT tolerate anything which you understand to be intolerable. These religions teach what should and should not be tolerated. Sell your cloak and buy a sword. Not, keep your cloak and tolerate anything people want to do to you
It's not a matter of Christians being too "tolerant" but a matter of "Christians" simply being uninterested in Christianity and trying to shape it in ways that are comfortable to their needs. Secularism is the new religion for westerners because they want to live more "freely".
The more you read, learn, and know Jesus, the more INTOLERANT you’ll realize he is! He NEVER EVER tolerated injustice and sin. He ALWAYS tolerated people. 👌🏼
Jesus and God do not tolerate sin yet Jesus died for us all who sin. This is bc God is God of Grace! He wants us to be gracious. Grace is required in even in Jesus's Prayer which was "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors".
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.” 23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.” 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” 25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said. 26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” Matthew 15: 21-26
@@CraigTheBrute-yf7no Matthew 15:25-28 KJV [25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. [26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. [27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. [28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
The Old Testament shows the standard of holiness and how far and short we’ve come. Glory to God, that even a Canaanite who was unworthy of God’s grace, humbled herself to the Savior, received mercy from the Lord. This shows that humility to the Lord is required.
Luke 18:10-14 KJV [10] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
They say a lot of times when someone cant stop interrupting its because theyre arent actually listening and just waiting for a chance at a gotcha moment. Seems to apply here
It's more an emotional reaction. Which can founded on good or bad intent. That is the way with emotions. Usually the minority powers have more emotional invesment. But I'm atheist (grant it influenced by religions) so to me it's more to much tolerance from one side and not enough from the other. I can see both points. I just have more experience with christianity as it's been heavily pushed through media and kther mediums. And i also know the issue with atheism is a lacking of an overall framework and how that turn into morals that aren't beneficial to others around you and only to yourself. I try to practice a spiritual/religious approach to it for that reason. Using treat others how you wanted to treated with a higher understanding some people want to be treated differently based on personal experiences. Atheists haven't had time or power to work this issue out, but i think we can make progress and hopefully bridge the gap or distance/remove themselves from our group of bad apples. But it might take to much time and resources to do so on a global level.
“Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. It is the virtue of the man without convictions. Modern toleration is a tyranny because it is a silence. To say that I must not deny my opponent's faith is to say I must not discuss it." - GK Chesterton 19thC
Or you could do what your bible says, ya know, as commanded by your 'God'. Romans 13:1-7 13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Read GK Chesterton, he's brilliant. He also suggested.. "do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out, the purpose of an open mind is so that you can close it on something solid."@@knockda887
It's a thin line and you have to find the right balance. Because if you are too sure of yourself and do not accept any criticism or even remarks...you become a totalitarian. That's why theocratic societies are doomed to fail and that's why Muslims flee their countries to the West where they can be free. But on the other hand, I agree somehow...if you let people do anything and believe in anything without boundaries, you'll have at the end gay priests and LGBTQ+++ running the US army
Patience(the capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset.) is a Christian virtue. At least according to: 2 Timothy 4:2 Romans 8:25 Hebrews 10:36 Colossians 3:12 1 Corinthians 13:4 1 Thessalonians 5:14 And if you’re into the Old Testament: Proverbs 19:11, 25:12, 14:29, 15:18, 16:32
If one says he/she is a Christian and still practices LGBT things, then one needs to wake up. One can't follow Jesus without denying oneself and one's lust, and the lust of the world. Yes, it is hard to walk in the narrow path, but to those who endures to the end, and to the end of times shall not perish.
Lust is no longer what you do it's who one is. The evolution from viewing sexuality as something we do to something we are reflects a shift in the way society perceives and discusses human sexuality. This shift is closely tied to the culture of authenticity and the concept of expressive individuality. Let's explore this transformation with explanations and examples: 1. **From "What We Do" to "What We Are"**: - In the past, discussions of sexuality often revolved around behaviors and actions-what people did in terms of their sexual conduct. - However, contemporary society has increasingly recognized that sexuality is an integral aspect of a person's identity and self-concept. It's not just about actions but also about one's innate sexual orientation and identity. 2. **Culture of Authenticity**: - The culture of authenticity encourages individuals to be true to themselves, embracing their genuine feelings, identities, and desires. - This cultural shift has paved the way for more open discussions about sexuality, allowing individuals to express their authentic selves. 3. **Illustration - From "Do" to "Are"**: - *Past Perspective ("Do"):* Imagine a historical context where discussions of sexuality primarily focused on societal expectations and norms. People were expected to conform to certain sexual behaviors and roles based on those expectations. - *Contemporary Perspective ("Are"):* In today's culture of authenticity, discussions about sexuality often revolve around acknowledging and accepting one's innate sexual orientation and identity. People are encouraged to understand and express their authentic selves, whether they identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or within the spectrum of gender identities. 4. **Example - Coming Out**: - Coming out as LGBTQ+ illustrates the shift from "doing" to "being." In the past, individuals may have hidden their same-sex attractions due to societal norms. Today, many people come out to express their authentic selves and their innate sexual orientations. 5. **Legal and Social Recognition**: - The shift in perspective has led to legal and social changes, such as the decriminalization of homosexuality, recognition of same-sex marriage, and policies against discrimination based on sexual orientation. - These changes reflect a growing acceptance of individuals for who they are, rather than what society expects them to do.
@@khaderlander2429 I understand. And all of the things stated above may be true. That is the way of the world today. These things have been mentioned in the old. The question then should be, as one who calls himself/herself a Christian, who is your Lord?
That is bullshit. You can't believe that Jesus is the Lord, your god and the savior of your soul if you also have gay sex? It's a sin. Only Jesus is without sin. So, only Jesus is Christian?
@@CreativeeteaAmerica is not the epicentre nor an example of Christian values. Many Christian countries around the world ban by law the things America tolerates. Main character syndrome must end
@@justchilling704it's true so, you can't eat pork, drink alcohol, have interest, woman should cover their hair when praying. Never seen any christian do not any of these things except drinking alcohol.
God told us not to eat scavengers...(roaches, shrimp, etc).... do people do this? Yes... is it beneficial? No In the time and city woman had rules of what to wear... Do our schools have the same policy? It depends on what state you are in
The bible cited by an Islamic preacher in this manner just shows we are dealing with an inherent mindset that wants to take advantage of those who indeed turn the other cheek.
I'm Muslim, but my mom's side of the family is Catholic. My grandparents who have now passed on, were righteous, religious Christians who went to Church regularly and upheld traditional views. My Aunt and Uncles also grew up in the Church, but their children are Liberals! One cousin of mine is dating a guy who just recently 'changed' his gender. My Aunt actually calls him a 'her!'. How could someone who has grown up in the Church so easily give in and 'tolerate' this falsehood? This is definitely a huge issue in Western Christian households now.
Wow man this is so crazy i hope u don’t get crazy around these people as muslim living in middle East am glad to god ❤that never deal with these things before, we never accept these crazy things like changing gender 🤢, as spiritual person that’s most thing I can’t accept it and can’t even look or talk to somebody who changed his gender it’s seriously ugly as hell it’s horrible feeling how these people accept it to their selfs probably lowest spiritual people who doing that kind of stuff, you should keep away from these people bro u can find peace and happiness inshalah bro I hope Allah save you and protect you ❤
@@isa-v7d Salam! Thank you for the prayers! Alhamdulilah I don’t mix too much with my mom’s family now. But it still shocks me how things are getting so bad, and so quickly! I’m happy you live in the Middle East. Hold on tight to the religion and Insha’Allah your family & community will as well! We can’t have this sickness spread over there! Allah save our Ummah.
@@bee2373 salam your welcome🌹yes i agree with you now a lot people moving from western countries to Arabian countries because of the lgbt teachings in schools especially for kids that’s a real big problem this is so sad it will destroy the whole community by it self they did not realize yet that the real enemy is not islam , anyway I pray god to save kind people like you and your family and friends and lead them to right path ❤️ if you need support or any assistance or any questions etc.. I can give you my instagram or snap pls don’t be shy we are brothers
The Muslim on the right is trying very hard to fit in and for people to take him seriously. What he's wearing is cultural, it's what they wear in parts of North Africa. Not sure if he knows that.
He's only thinking of the bucks he's going to make. If tomorrow sharia law is applied in america and PBD can make money out of it, he'll not hesitate a second. It's called being a capitalist
That's not an actual truth even though it sounds good. Tolerance IS standing for Christianity. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance or approval. Tolerance means allowing the existence of things you disagree with. Without tolerance the level of violence on earth would be mindblowing. Considering the level of violence in the world today, that is saying something!
My family are catholics from Iraq. My parents left for religious and equal rights. . They were uneducated, and yet all 10 of there kid's are successful business owners. God Bless America ❤
so they left be able to live in a hedonistic society where they won't be punished for committing degeneracy and economic benefits. I guess having lgbt+ agenda to be taught in schools is better than having islamic militants enforce the old testament to you parents. 🤷♀
Bro Christians in iraq have spirior right in government and you can look it up also every one thinks we kill christians we live side by side and we respect one another but can say the same for muslims in cristian countries and i am from iraq and the cherch is 400 m away from my home
The Bible never ever mentions tolerance. It never tells us to pray for tolerance. Tolerance is a form of complacency and when it comes to sin, there should be no tolerance to the word of God
If you turn the other cheek when somebody slaps you, you are not reacting in an unnecessary way to an insignificant thing..you don't need to and shouldn't fight over everyting
@@AuraysTimelessChannel Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Christians often lack the courage and fortitude to stand up to Evil and Biblical distortions. Tolerance is often an excuse for collaboration with the Devil. God is Truth, and counterfeit variations are lies. ✝️
It'd take tremendous courage and faith to believe something you never seen. And change your lifestyle to live for God. Everyday since then it's the battle between good and evil. There are many Christians crucified for their belief but you seldom see it due to media censorship...
@@zasbill1988 your statement shows you haven’t actually done any work to look into the arguments and evidence for God’s existence, you just believe what people tell you. I’d encourage you to actually look into it, you’ll be surprised, or at least know what you’re talking about.
I believe in freedom for all fundamental Christians to have their beliefs, and i respect real traditional Christian over these Liberal secular so-called Christian because we have many commonalities
Okay how is he going to lose? When do Christians start rising up and do more than just PRAY? You get more done with your hands and feet than you do on your knees, and that's my biggest problem with Christianity.
If we had an apostasy law for killing those who leave the religion like the Muslims do then we would still have a lot of Christians in the “Christian” countries, but Our God wants everyone to come to him with their own free will, he is not going to force anyone to himself because he is not narcissistic.
No! Satan like any other creature (and like ourselves) owns nothing but his sin...God, as the creator owns everything except Satan's, the fallen angels and our sins. This world is only Satan's theater to work his evil by God's allowance. Satan is not omnipotent and is always on God's leash ... see Job 1:12 and 2:6.
Jesus never taught the tolerance of values, he taught to love even your enemies but never tolerate the wrong values or teachings from them. Many christians today do neither, the don't love and they tolerate many worldly and evil values. Islam on the other hand, don't teach the love that Jesus taught and even teach evil values like revenge and extreme violence.
And that why west is more peaceful than middle east bro....because christian tolerance...that's why west have so many immigrants come to west society because it's way more PEACE.....
They tried at first. They were attacked from all side and eventually silenced. After that, they were infiltrated by w0ke wolves in sheeps clothing. But I see more churches and pastors condemning it today, especially in the last 2 years alone than ever before. It just doesn't make it online.
@@AfghanistanExploration You mean like in the Roman Empire when they were openly and openly diddling children and Christianity came and knocked the pedophilia out of the world's empire. I'll tell that to them.
”Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient Perfection)”
Not quite. When you start modifying religion laws to accept behaviours that used to be a sin, you’re now breaking religious law and in breach of the religion. Tolerance is therefore normalizing sinister behaviour.
That's true for most people, about 90 to 97%. Beware of those with dark triad traits, their enablers, and flying monkeys. Muslims with mindsets like the gentlemen here belong to that group.
Tolerance is in the eye of the beholder. Certain behaviors make a cohesive society, But death threats garner fear not respect or cooperation.@@Dante-fk4yi
Iam seeking knowledge towards religion myself a born muslim but went through other religion and currently looking into Christianity. I went through several verses and very confused if u have answers give me some insight. Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Mathew 19:16, 17 why jesus is not good? he clearly mention that he is not God but a human messenger every prophet are way to reach god.. as they carry the message. “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. Acts 2:22 this what all other prophets taught, they did miracles but only with the will of god. In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” He clearly says that he is nothing but a messenger sent from god. Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended. to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. john 20:17 my father and your father so are the people were also part of trinity?? he clearly says my god and your god so it openly states that jesus had and have a God. And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” Mathew 26:39 not in my will but in God will so these verse makes me question why Christians think jesus is God. The bible have errors like different narration in years, numbers and so on. which makes it less trust worthy as it is human words. you can google abt the errors or I will send you. I know some verses says before Abraham I was, I and the father are one but he also says my father is greater than I. so these things don't really proves anything to me.. if there is something else do highlight me. Not a debate we will have a discussion.
@@russianwarriarthe Christians were massively disappointing on this debate. The Muslims ripped them apart. Even pbd(the christian host) admitted that.
Correction! Not all Christians are tolerant. Most African Christians countries are not tolerant... I am from Uganda and Christian. We stand strong as Jesus is our guiding light. Paul said that Christ is reigning now and “must reign til he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death” (I Cor. 15:25-26).
Christian African countries that are against homosexuality because they are influenced by Muslims and have a Muslim population. The African continent has a Muslim majority
Daniel is Persian, if I'm not mistaken. Since when are Persians white? Is Pat white too? The OP of this thread is quite a moron if he thinks Christianity is a "White" religion anyways. Does he mean the religion that was started by those swarthy Middle-Easterners and Greeks? The religion with 685 million followers in Africa and 383 million in Asia? Neither Christianity nor Islam is "race based". It's fine if we want to discuss the merits or validity of either religion's theology, but to essentialize them into "White vs Brown" is some idiotic Critical Race Theory garbage.
Thank you brother Patrick for trying to build the bridges for humanity. You have kept your own religion aside and really moderated fairly which shows your honesty and respect to both Christianity as well as Islam. I commend you for this and pray for your protection, health and prosperity. Great work!
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@@JohnSmith-gh3kp Your response is not only the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard it’s a deranged answer to what I said. You clearly don’t understand much. It is through intolerance that we get murderers off the street. By NOT TOLERATING that sort of behavior, we increase safety in society. The Virtue of Intolerance is why you even suggest that murdering is not a virtue.
@@theyoungdaee7155 then why did we not use nuclear weapons when we were the only ones that had them? the usa could of ruled the entire world.. but we did not... what you said is wrong... if Islam had nukes and no one else did... Arabic would be the global language..
@@DarkBluePaperHats LOL you think u need nuclear weapons to rule the world? In the New age America rules through military sanctions, drone missles and coups. The US funded neo nazis in Ukraine because they did not like a pro Russian government. Islam is against the excessive use of force and killing of innocent civilians. The Nabi peace be upon him forbade it. Only combatants are to be harmed
yeah when daniel said every culture and religion does that I was shocked... maybe he hasn't heard of buddhism or jainism where ahimsa (non-violence) is focal point of the teachings. And it goes to subtlest levels of non-violence where even thinking hurtful things towards others should be avoided. Because when you hurt others you are only hurting yourself. We are all humans, not christians, muslims, jews, hindus or whatever other teachings. We can only end this cycle by standing united as humans.
@@heniljain1990 LOL Buddhist are literally having a war and participating in an ethnic cleansing right now in Myannmar. You should see what the buddha said about war too.
Wow what a contentious topic. Thanks for having this necessary dialogue. Looking forward to More of these talks same topic with different more mature guests. Awesome.
This is literally the opposite of the truth. Unimpeded freedom leads to immorality. Moral societies create elaborate systems of rules to restrict behavior in a reasonable manner.
@@renoirrandy7241how is it not? The only way in which that statement proves false is if you conflate freedom with license to do whatever you want including evil to others. Freedom is not the same as licentiousness because licentiousness is nothing but slavery to the passions and base impulses of human nature. True freedom and having an optimal life require self-restraint and personal virtue.
@@Tyler_W take the US for exam, how moral would you say is that society. In my opinion it's one of the least moral places despite their freedoms. Women expose their bodies, sell themselves online, the porn industry, men pretending to be women, women pretending to be men, the most drugged up country on earth. I can keep going, doesn't seem very moral to me
I think, we both christians and muslims knw the diff we have in our beliefs.. we can argue till the cow comes home.. i think we have a bigger problem and should work together as being the two biggest religions in the world and put our diff aside and have a stand. We are the last defence for our children's future
why would i follow a religon that has said they would destroy all jews if they wanted. Why would i back a religon who has caused terrorism in modern times. why would i back a religon who was the forfront that destroyed my state of ny. i will NEVER bow to Islam or any of its beliefs.
Jesus said, "I will not judge those who hear me but don’t obey me, for I have come to save the world and not to judge it. But all who reject me and my message will be judged on the day of judgment by the truth I have spoken." Christians, likewise, are not to judge, but are to share the good news of forgiveness in Christ and reconciliation with God through Him. But when this time of mercy from God ends, His judgment will come, this earth will become a part of His kingdom, and all who rejected Him will be cast out.
In the old testament the books where way different: god is feared becasue when unleashed it's wrath upon Sodoma and Gomorra for example, he destroyed it without any mercy. And we should stop to believe the new testament which was hardly edited because someone decided it was too harsh.
@@gracelatour3441 Christians don't have an earthly government like ancient Israel or like Islam, so we don't judge and punish people for wrongdoing. Jesus will judge us all when he returns.
Everybody in the comments talking about tolerance when these two Muslims literally had no qualms with the Muslim turned Christian being put to death. Difference between Christianity and Islam is very well exemplified right there.
@@markkuuss Being humble suits for us humans. If Christianity claims to be the religion of God and the Bible as the word of God, the last thing that it is supposed to be is humble.
@@blindspot9097where in his fucking statement does he imply that God is not all-knowing or powerful? He just states that Christianity is about being more humble and not totalitarian.
I think this could be an amazing discussion series. I will say though that it’s hard to understand everything being said with them talking over each other but I think it would be a great series for people like me who are fascinated by religions but I am not very religious myself but it would be better if the people in the discussion wouldn’t get offended and just have genuine conversations so that there’s no tension, interrupting, and be able to really hear each other out. Just my thoughts just wish everyone could chill a bit and make the discussion more beneficial for everyone.
Yes was very interesting but unfortunatly the muslim side had much less speaking time than the christians. So that they were interrupting was reasonable 🙂
It’s a deep hatred - because in the Quran, Muslims are taught to view all “non-believers” as enemies that should be converted or murdered. The two religions cannot be compared. One is very much founded on love and light, and the other very much glorifies darkness and sin.
i'm Catholic but even i can see that Christianity has caved to wokeness and some denominations have embraced the 'alternative' lifestyle in their churches. i admire Islam's stance on this and they don't bend the knee to appease wokeness.
Iam seeking knowledge towards religion myself a born muslim but went through other religion and currently looking into Christianity. I went through several verses and very confused if u have answers give me some insight. Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Mathew 19:16, 17 why jesus is not good? he clearly mention that he is not God but a human messenger every prophet are way to reach god.. as they carry the message. “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. Acts 2:22 this what all other prophets taught, they did miracles but only with the will of god. In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” He clearly says that he is nothing but a messenger sent from god. Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended. to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God. john 20:17 my father and your father so are the people were also part of trinity?? he clearly says my god and your god so it openly states that jesus had and have a God. And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.” Mathew 26:39 not in my will but in God will so these verse makes me question why Christians think jesus is God. The bible have errors like different narration in years, numbers and so on. which makes it less trust worthy as it is human words. you can google abt the errors or I will send you. I know some verses says before Abraham I was, I and the father are one but he also says my father is greater than I. so these things don't really proves anything to me.. if there is something else do highlight me. Not a debate we will have a discussion.
What i got from this was, the Muslim guys were answering every questions, while the Christian guys were evading the questions with long rants. And the chubby christian dude sounded rude Everytime he was being told to answer the question
They literally did answer the question, very clearly and in significant detail. They just didn't gove the kind of answers they wanted because they answer answer from the Islamic Frame of reference being presented. As far as arguments go, the Christians had far better ones. The only reason anyone not already a Muslim would think the Muslims won the debate was because they sounded more forceful and assertive in the way they spoke, which has absolutely no bearing on who's actually right. In fact the Muslims overtly misrepresented their opponents words and claims throughout the entire debate. They basically strawmanned the entire time.
@@5115440and when we pull up statistics of the amount of atrocities done by muslims in europe you muslims are the first one to call facts islamaphobe. So don’t come here and say Christians are emotional. But don’t worry we will be intolerant from now on.
Certain individuals have pushed the idea of lgbt on specific communities hard, they will see the fruits of their labour. It will devour them until there’s nothing left.
@kristinazboodram173 racid just tells anecdotes, his own story or fear mongers. He spray guns stereotypes and gets emotional. There is zero academic discussion, philosophy or knowledge in what racid says
No. The difference is the intentional targeting of them and happening to kill them after the fact when that was not the intention. In Judaic law, they believe in killing children in war (and taking women captive in war) and that is based on their scripture. That's not the same thing at all.
Correction. Portugal was actually the first abolishing slavery in 1761. The UK was in 1807. So, Portugal was the first and then everyone else, not the UK and US and then everyone else!
Islam abolished slavery 1400 years ago! The sound of call to prayer from a mosque minaret was by Bilal a freed slave! That's the honour he has in Islam the same words said daily globally on speakers 5 times a day
Islam did not abolish slavery. Allah(swt) calls the freeing of slaves in the Quran as a noble act (surah Balad), it also states in multiple surahs, the freeing of slaves is compensations for various sins/ mistakes. But no where does Allah(swt) call for the ending of slavery.
@@theancientsancients1769are you serious? Ever hear anything about the trans-Saharan slave trade between the Muslim Arabs and various African kingdoms? The practices and number of people enslaved makes the already horrific European trans-Atlantic slave trade look like a garden party in comparison. Most of the Islamic nations of the worle did not ban slavery until the 20tu century.
@@redx11xthat's not what happened. The US and Britain were already majority Christian societies, and although you are correct that slavery was in many ways not a very cost effective economic practice in the grand scheme of things, the economics were not what drove their abolition. Most literature promoting the abolition of slavery made their case on an appeal to Christian ethics, Doctrine, and philosophy. Devout Christians were undeniably the driving force behind the abolition of slavery in the US and Great Britain. Any claim to the contrary is just historical revieionism.
I’m tired of turning the other cheek they’re getting bruised too much these days, now it’s time to do what Jesus did start whooping ass and over turning tables in the fathers house!
Damn, that guys excuse for commending to kill babies and women sounds so weak “that was 3000 thousand years ago”. Like how does that make the statement irrelevant if that’s part of the text ? It’s still something that Christian’s should believe in, and just saying that it was 3000 years ago doesn’t really matter in this situation
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Go educate yourself. These brown “Christians” don’t know their religion. Learn both Islam and Christianity your self and see the Truth. And the Trurth shall free you from the deception and corruption in Christianity 😢
If someone is a Christian it does not mean that he is a fool. Tolerance is a humble element that should reach the point where it will not become an object of exploitation by another person which is opposed to Christian values and ethics . Therefore, a Christian must always be vigilant and discerning in such situations when attacked by someone who wishes to harm him or wants to exploit him for his own pettiness, benefit and vanity. As for the gentleman that refer on Samuel, what the Lord says on the old testament is that at that time God was the righteous judge of all those who had turned away from him and lived in a state of utter decline and decay. With the new testament Christ came and opened the way to the kingdom of heaven through his path and way with the instructions that he gave to his apostles and then to the whole world. The Muslims in the program unfortunately, like all Muslims, see the old and new testament very superficially.
translation: my unwillingness to enforce God's laws and turn the other cheek to degeneracy taking place in front of my eyes are actually a virtue instead of a reflection of my treason or cowardice. There. Fixed that comment for you.
@@HelenWAChrist never advocated violence unless it was child abuse. The Vatican is raping boys. That's why everything falls apart because the churches of ALL religions are supposed to be the moral, educational and humanitarian principality. Nearly all universities are funded by churches, and look at the garbage they teach. All governing officials are corrupted and always have been.
I’m a Christian myself. The US and Uk did not start the fight against slavery.. that’s a big lie . In fact, Haiti led the fight against the French in 1971 to dismantle slavery. 12 years later, in 1804 Haiti defeated the French Army and became a free nation. The Haitian revolution influenced US uprisings, leading to The Louisiana Purchase which doubled the size of the US. Segregation started in church and many Christians wanted to maintain the institution of slavery. The slaves were taken to church and told to obey their masters as it is God ordained. Slavery wasn’t abolished in America until 1865. The presented historical facts on slavery in this debate are inaccurately portrayed.
It's so funny when Patrick asked for the solution for Christians all they can bring up was how or why to hate Islam lol 😂 these Christians can't see past their hate for Islam. To be honest as Muslims we don't sit around hating Christians even though they ruined our beautiful Muslims countries we still treat them with kindness. In any case I find it funny when all they can do to find a solution is somehow to hate Islam
@@dassolosyndikat5113 The opposite is true. All religions fights islam. Christians bomb Muslim countries, Jews kill and steal Palestine and Hindus kill Muslims in India,!Buddist kill Muslims in Manmar. Islam is being fought on so many fronts since 9/11 and it only gets stronger
Robert states that the bible is not the literal word of God but the interpretation of what Mathew, Mark, Luke and John thought what God meant! So the bible not the literal word of God. This is what I don't get about Christians. Not Christianity. Interpretation is a dangerous thing. God's law is simple. Do and don't do! Ameen!!!!
@@shahdrah so what’s the point of following a group of people that you may think were inspired. They need to come to Islam it’s the only way of salvation.
@@freepresscable6187 salaam. Hope you are well. I don't follow a group of people. I try to stick to the core principles that Allah has provided me through the Qur'an. I am not perfect nor anyway near it, but strive to be it and aim to follow the ways of our last prophet Muhammad (PBUH). AMEEN. Have a blessed day!
The irony is, if a group is very or too tolerant, they can get overwhelmed by other more aggressive schools of thought. And eventually cease to exist. While on the other hand, if a group is less tolerant, eventually it can start swaying towards more extremism because human ego and self-righteousness will become a factor.
Christians have become apathetic. That's one of the problems that iv noticed while going to church. Sometimes it's ok to fight for something. People should not be tolerant for things they do not believe.
I dont understand if God has already paid for all the sins and the laws have been fulfilled and there is no more sin then whats wrong with people living a sinful life? If My sins have already been paid I will have sex outside of marriage and with a married/unmarried woman. as many women as I want. I would steal, do corruption, lie and do whatever that pleases me If God has already paid for all of these actions. Please explain.
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Islam makes sense without any doubt. Islam is easy and straight religion. We muslim dont debate like „according to this person ....." „in my opinion" „I think" we talk with the references of our holy book Quran.
we have a church group here where several congregations get together and have various functions. one of the pastors is woke, my running joke with my own pastor is "every time i see this man i am driven closer and closer to islam." its a joke we share. he finds it funny. we both agree privately mainstream christianity is absolutely taking a Godless path when it comes to addressing homosexuality and trans issues. for me its actually not becoming a joke. if this persists i will be converting.
Stop going to that church and tithing to it. I’m not paying for someone’s woke project. They know what they’re doing and you need to show a spine and put a stop to it.
Yes MUSLIM Lantern Channel is perfects to ask any questions and understand islam There also Sajid LIPHAM that you can go to learn and ask And Shadid Bolsen for current affairs (thank me later) Oh Allah guide him to the Truth amen.
When tolerance is a society's primary "virtue", what was once intolerable will inevitably become tolerated... Exhibit A: MAPs (minor attracted person(s))
The paradox of Tolerance - Karl Popper 1940 If everyone is tolerant of every idea, then intolerant ideas will emerge. Tolerant people will tolerate this intolerance, and the intolerant people will not tolerate the tolerant people. Eventually, the intolerant people will take over and create a society of intolerance. Therefore, to maintain a society of tolerance, the tolerant must be intolerant of intolerance.....hence the paradox.
A really cool way that I heard the Bible described is that, at it's core, the Bible is a love story between God and His people. Raw, mistakes, redemption, failure, salvation, hope, all of it. Love it.
@@5115440 what’s wrong with my statement? This is a comment section. If you choose to debate, it’s ok. If you don’t like it, move on or ask a question. Have a nice day.
@@cayennepeppa707 the problem is you’re commenting on a debate with your preach mode ON. Also it’s highly anecdotal what you’re saying. That’s why save it for your church, people here are mostly interested in an academic based conversation, you know where you set a premise and present your view and back it up with evidence, not whatever BS love story between your supposed god and his people, life is not a movie. also “Raw” what the hell.
Daniel is always making his argument by saying all religions have violence or rape etc… which is not the case. No one asks him to reference what other religions is he talking about? This is a common answer he gives on many questions he gets stuck with on islam
I Don’t Know Where This Statistics Came From 🤷🏽 But Let Me Say This “No Muslim Should Accept These So Called Alphabets” No Matter Where You Live In The World 🌍 & It’s Haram 100 Percent/Not Permissible Period.
A definition of tolerance is the capacity to endure exposure to a stressor for a period of time without an adverse reaction. At some point however, a limit is reached. Tolerance does not continue on forever.
"Christians are too tolerant." Finally, something we can agree on.
Yeah, they allowed hundreds of different Christian sects so one could pick and choose what they liked and didn't like 😂😂😂
Entirely too New Testament and needing to understand Old Testament ways. But isn’t there words of Jesus saying it’s ok to take up swords?
“Certainly! Matthew 5:17-18 is a passage from the New Testament, specifically from the Gospel of Matthew. Here is the text of those verses (ESV):
"17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
In these verses, Jesus is speaking, and He emphasizes that He did not come to abolish the Law (which includes the Old Testament laws and teachings) but to fulfill them. He goes on to say that not even the smallest part of the Law will pass away until all is accomplished. This indicates the continuity between the Old Testament (the Law and the Prophets) and Jesus' mission as the fulfillment of that divine plan.”
Divine commandments completely rejected by his followers 😅
It’s not tolerant it’s love and understanding if humans want to become a monsters I can assure you I can become a bigger monster
Tolerance is another word for normalization. What happens when you take drugs for too long, you build up tolerance. What happens when you watch scarier and scarier movies/music/etc, you build up tolerance. What happens when you accept immorality.... you build up tolerance. Tolerance must be built up first in order to go further, otherwise it will be too unpleasant. Once you build up tolerance, it is very difficult and often impossible to reverse.
I can watch any horror movie but the modern politics and modern culture scares me. I believe forgot about how important Faith is to life, people are not valuing religious beliefs like they should. People need to treat Christian values with respect and go back to normal values instead of this modern soulless progressive values we have nowadays
That word you keep repeating, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Sodom and Gomorrah are very good examples of tolerance and allowing values to lessen. What happened to them? Nuked.
I love the story of the angels sent in. Lot offered his daughters but the men refused that and was trying to get the two angels that appeared like men...WOW!
Cough christian intolerence: crusades and nazis
*cough*historical ignorance*cough* @@ryojs4286
"If you tolerate everything
You stands for nothing"
Once a wiseman said!
Real
“Stands for nothing” Who said that Popeye the sailor?
Top G
Top G!!!
Or you stand on your leg 😂
I had a pastor preach a sermon one time, and the title of it was, “Tolerance! The devil’s doctrine.”
@@virtualbeing5195 Who would've agreed? Who wouldve told who to f'off? Are you able to comprehend what you read darling? Freaking AI. lol
أنا مسلم وأوافق القسّ المسيحي في هذا الموضوع بنسبة 90%
PBD has balls to even discuss this topic. Shout out to him. We can learn a lot from this.
Do you like them sweaty caramel balls? 🤔😋🤪
Yeah religious people are essentially worthless snake charmers profiting off of gullible people.
The amount of strain that is going on behind closed doors on both sides because of this I insurmountable. Best thing to happen to religion in years. A real discussion. Ty Jordan Peterson for going thru Exodus and this is inspiring as well.
Quran (only scripture with 100% accuracy/preservation) says Allah is “Al-Ahad”(one/indivisible).Philosophically, It is impossible for 3 distinct perfections to exist simultaneously. Father (Perfection 1/distinct1) =Son (Perfection 2/distinct2)=idolatry.This is due to addition of two extra perfections that are Co-equal/Co-eternal&distinct with Allah(the most Exalted). Not just the Quran, but also the old/New Testament textually establish tauheed(monotheism). So, then why believe in trinity and associate two imaginary parts to Allah(one/indivisible/Self-Sufficient/All-Loving)? How could your love/worship be undivided/exclusive for Allah(the most Exalted) when there are two other equally unique/perfect entities to adore? The verses of bible used by trinitarians are extremely vague and require hard interpretation to extract the understanding that Father/Son/Holy Ghost are Co-equal/Co-Eternal&distinct.
Ya..n am happy west is waking up to reality.
Being tolerant is one thing, changing and losing the principle itself is another thing. Christians are not only tolerant they lost the words/text that defined the principle.
Well said. It’s one thing not to judge what others do in privacy, it’s another to validate a sin.
@@mo7mova752Sin is Sin regardless if it is done in private or public
@@shadowslayer9988 Agreed, it’s between the sinner and God.
The Word is still around - it needs to be read more often. It's a true today as it was then. None of this is new under the sun.
Not all Christians. That's like judging Islam as a whole off the actions of violent extremists.
As a Christian, I pray for the same principles. I agree 100% with Pat. The teaching of tolerance has become more difficult to adhere to.
Most Christians are confused as they do not study the word of God diligently.
God in the bible has ask us to be tolerant of sinners by rebuking them. Not to tolerate sinful behaviour by joining them or to stay silent about them.
Jesus preached about repentance everywhere he went. He sat amongst the tax collector, prostitutes, phraisees. Etc.
When the Pharisees wanted to stone the prostitute, Jesus stopped them. Then turned to the prostitute and said. John 8:11 NIV
"No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
Jesus did not say continue in LQBTQIA movement and have sex with who ever you want.
We should love by rebuking each other and not to love to spoil each other. That is how Jesus lead and showed us his love. Which most Christians who are not well versed will spoil and encourage sinful behaviour in their foolishness.
Bible warned about false teacher too. I will spend day talking about it if I continue. Please search up John MacArthur, Paul Washer, David Lynn, Spurgeon, Agustin. So many great defender of Christian faith that does not condone foolish tolerances but only Christ tolerance.
So why did Christians ever allow divorce, sex, usury, satanism to run unanimously superior. Why do we worship science instead of spirit. Why do we listen to whorish thuggish music, why do we wear sexual close. Because Satan the God of the world said it was ok. So do we worship God, or Satan? You can't worship both you know that. Stop listening to pastors and please for God's and your sake read the Bible
You cant truly believe anything this Athiest says...
Hes an admitted athiest, but now that hes supposedly a "conservative reoublican" hes now a follower of the MOST HIGH.
How about its JUST TO GET CHRISTAIN EVANGELISTS to subscribe and pay him.
Dont be fooled by the Devil
You should NOT be tolerant. You should be understanding. You MAY tolerate that which you understand to be tolerable. You SHOULD NOT tolerate anything which you understand to be intolerable.
These religions teach what should and should not be tolerated. Sell your cloak and buy a sword. Not, keep your cloak and tolerate anything people want to do to you
you must "turn another cheek" boy,... or you just another hypocrite
I love it when a former Christian turns Muslim debates a former Muslim turned Christian. Fantastic learning here. Amazing PBD!!!
@@CamoShirtthe only I hear from him is Moslem want to kill him
@Notreallyhereanymore he lies and never understood the Bible.
@Notreallyhereanymorehow?
@Notreallyhereanymore👨🏾🦲👨🏾🦲
And there is no debate in muslim countries
Hats off to Patrick for conducting such a fantastic knowledge share session.
It's not a matter of Christians being too "tolerant" but a matter of "Christians" simply being uninterested in Christianity and trying to shape it in ways that are comfortable to their needs. Secularism is the new religion for westerners because they want to live more "freely".
The good thing about the world is people believe differently. Like I believe it’s not ok to fuck kids, while some might think it’s completely normal.
Yupp. It's the sweater vest preachers. Christianity has gone soft just as the country has. They go hand in hand.
Living more freely or secular is the opposite of religion but to your point, Good!
Well explained
It's amazingly true😢
The more you read, learn, and know Jesus, the more INTOLERANT you’ll realize he is! He NEVER EVER tolerated injustice and sin. He ALWAYS tolerated people. 👌🏼
Jesus and God do not tolerate sin yet Jesus died for us all who sin. This is bc God is God of Grace! He wants us to be gracious. Grace is required in even in Jesus's Prayer which was "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors".
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
Matthew 15: 21-26
@@CraigTheBrute-yf7no Matthew 15:25-28 KJV
[25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
[27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
[28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
The Old Testament shows the standard of holiness and how far and short we’ve come. Glory to God, that even a Canaanite who was unworthy of God’s grace, humbled herself to the Savior, received mercy from the Lord. This shows that humility to the Lord is required.
Luke 18:10-14 KJV
[10] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
They say a lot of times when someone cant stop interrupting its because theyre arent actually listening and just waiting for a chance at a gotcha moment. Seems to apply here
It's more an emotional reaction. Which can founded on good or bad intent. That is the way with emotions. Usually the minority powers have more emotional invesment. But I'm atheist (grant it influenced by religions) so to me it's more to much tolerance from one side and not enough from the other. I can see both points. I just have more experience with christianity as it's been heavily pushed through media and kther mediums. And i also know the issue with atheism is a lacking of an overall framework and how that turn into morals that aren't beneficial to others around you and only to yourself. I try to practice a spiritual/religious approach to it for that reason. Using treat others how you wanted to treated with a higher understanding some people want to be treated differently based on personal experiences. Atheists haven't had time or power to work this issue out, but i think we can make progress and hopefully bridge the gap or distance/remove themselves from our group of bad apples. But it might take to much time and resources to do so on a global level.
“Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. It is the virtue of the man without convictions. Modern toleration is a tyranny because it is a silence. To say that I must not deny my opponent's faith is to say I must not discuss it." - GK Chesterton 19thC
Or you could do what your bible says, ya know, as commanded by your 'God'.
Romans 13:1-7
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
I'm a re-read this a couple more times ✝
Read GK Chesterton, he's brilliant. He also suggested.. "do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out, the purpose of an open mind is so that you can close it on something solid."@@knockda887
It's a thin line and you have to find the right balance. Because if you are too sure of yourself and do not accept any criticism or even remarks...you become a totalitarian. That's why theocratic societies are doomed to fail and that's why Muslims flee their countries to the West where they can be free. But on the other hand, I agree somehow...if you let people do anything and believe in anything without boundaries, you'll have at the end gay priests and LGBTQ+++ running the US army
Patience(the capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset.) is a Christian virtue. At least according to:
2 Timothy 4:2
Romans 8:25
Hebrews 10:36
Colossians 3:12
1 Corinthians 13:4
1 Thessalonians 5:14
And if you’re into the Old Testament:
Proverbs 19:11, 25:12, 14:29, 15:18, 16:32
If one says he/she is a Christian and still practices LGBT things, then one needs to wake up. One can't follow Jesus without denying oneself and one's lust, and the lust of the world. Yes, it is hard to walk in the narrow path, but to those who endures to the end, and to the end of times shall not perish.
Lust is no longer what you do it's who one is.
The evolution from viewing sexuality as something we do to something we are reflects a shift in the way society perceives and discusses human sexuality. This shift is closely tied to the culture of authenticity and the concept of expressive individuality. Let's explore this transformation with explanations and examples:
1. **From "What We Do" to "What We Are"**:
- In the past, discussions of sexuality often revolved around behaviors and actions-what people did in terms of their sexual conduct.
- However, contemporary society has increasingly recognized that sexuality is an integral aspect of a person's identity and self-concept. It's not just about actions but also about one's innate sexual orientation and identity.
2. **Culture of Authenticity**:
- The culture of authenticity encourages individuals to be true to themselves, embracing their genuine feelings, identities, and desires.
- This cultural shift has paved the way for more open discussions about sexuality, allowing individuals to express their authentic selves.
3. **Illustration - From "Do" to "Are"**:
- *Past Perspective ("Do"):* Imagine a historical context where discussions of sexuality primarily focused on societal expectations and norms. People were expected to conform to certain sexual behaviors and roles based on those expectations.
- *Contemporary Perspective ("Are"):* In today's culture of authenticity, discussions about sexuality often revolve around acknowledging and accepting one's innate sexual orientation and identity. People are encouraged to understand and express their authentic selves, whether they identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or within the spectrum of gender identities.
4. **Example - Coming Out**:
- Coming out as LGBTQ+ illustrates the shift from "doing" to "being." In the past, individuals may have hidden their same-sex attractions due to societal norms. Today, many people come out to express their authentic selves and their innate sexual orientations.
5. **Legal and Social Recognition**:
- The shift in perspective has led to legal and social changes, such as the decriminalization of homosexuality, recognition of same-sex marriage, and policies against discrimination based on sexual orientation.
- These changes reflect a growing acceptance of individuals for who they are, rather than what society expects them to do.
@@khaderlander2429 I understand. And all of the things stated above may be true. That is the way of the world today. These things have been mentioned in the old. The question then should be, as one who calls himself/herself a Christian, who is your Lord?
That is bullshit. You can't believe that Jesus is the Lord, your god and the savior of your soul if you also have gay sex?
It's a sin. Only Jesus is without sin. So, only Jesus is Christian?
Mind Begs the Question:
If Christianity prohibits homosexuality
If a State(Govt) approve same-sex marriage
Christian State,Anti-Christ State?
@@iscream271 if one is Liberal Christian then one's desire is one's lord.
My mind can't accepet the idea that someone claims to be a follower of jesus and at the same time support what jesus has prohibited
That's why Voltaire said christianity is the religion of everything Jesus has forbiden.
@@CreativeeteaAmerica is not the epicentre nor an example of Christian values. Many Christian countries around the world ban by law the things America tolerates. Main character syndrome must end
@@CreativeeteaAn anti-Christian deist said that about Christianity?!
@@justchilling704it's true so, you can't eat pork, drink alcohol, have interest, woman should cover their hair when praying. Never seen any christian do not any of these things except drinking alcohol.
God told us not to eat scavengers...(roaches, shrimp, etc).... do people do this? Yes... is it beneficial? No
In the time and city woman had rules of what to wear... Do our schools have the same policy? It depends on what state you are in
The bible cited by an Islamic preacher in this manner just shows we are dealing with an inherent mindset that wants to take advantage of those who indeed turn the other cheek.
Let me kiss that cheek
I'm Muslim, but my mom's side of the family is Catholic. My grandparents who have now passed on, were righteous, religious Christians who went to Church regularly and upheld traditional views. My Aunt and Uncles also grew up in the Church, but their children are Liberals! One cousin of mine is dating a guy who just recently 'changed' his gender. My Aunt actually calls him a 'her!'. How could someone who has grown up in the Church so easily give in and 'tolerate' this falsehood? This is definitely a huge issue in Western Christian households now.
Crazy
Wow man this is so crazy i hope u don’t get crazy around these people as muslim living in middle East am glad to god ❤that never deal with these things before, we never accept these crazy things like changing gender 🤢, as spiritual person that’s most thing I can’t accept it and can’t even look or talk to somebody who changed his gender it’s seriously ugly as hell it’s horrible feeling how these people accept it to their selfs probably lowest spiritual people who doing that kind of stuff, you should keep away from these people bro u can find peace and happiness inshalah bro I hope Allah save you and protect you ❤
@@isa-v7d Salam! Thank you for the prayers! Alhamdulilah I don’t mix too much with my mom’s family now. But it still shocks me how things are getting so bad, and so quickly! I’m happy you live in the Middle East. Hold on tight to the religion and Insha’Allah your family & community will as well! We can’t have this sickness spread over there! Allah save our Ummah.
@@bee2373 salam your welcome🌹yes i agree with you now a lot people moving from western countries to Arabian countries because of the lgbt teachings in schools especially for kids that’s a real big problem this is so sad it will destroy the whole community by it self they did not realize yet that the real enemy is not islam , anyway I pray god to save kind people like you and your family and friends and lead them to right path ❤️ if you need support or any assistance or any questions etc.. I can give you my instagram or snap pls don’t be shy we are brothers
The Muslim on the right is trying very hard to fit in and for people to take him seriously. What he's wearing is cultural, it's what they wear in parts of North Africa. Not sure if he knows that.
Claps for PBD for being neutral even being christian!
He’s tolerant lol
He did an excellent job here.
He knows he has a lot of Muslims listening. He have said some outrageous stuff in other videos
He's only thinking of the bucks he's going to make. If tomorrow sharia law is applied in america and PBD can make money out of it, he'll not hesitate a second. It's called being a capitalist
@@humaafandi8894like what
“If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing, and those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.”
At least these two authors have felt for dollars
@@koshurkot3892: good point.. 😂
That's not an actual truth even though it sounds good. Tolerance IS standing for Christianity. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance or approval. Tolerance means allowing the existence of things you disagree with. Without tolerance the level of violence on earth would be mindblowing. Considering the level of violence in the world today, that is saying something!
@@Ryan-sl8mwexactly
@@Ryan-sl8mwShould we tolerate incest and bestiality?
My family are catholics from Iraq. My parents left for religious and equal rights. . They were uneducated, and yet all 10 of there kid's are successful business owners. God Bless America ❤
so they left be able to live in a hedonistic society where they won't be punished for committing degeneracy and economic benefits. I guess having lgbt+ agenda to be taught in schools is better than having islamic militants enforce the old testament to you parents. 🤷♀
Keep telling them they dont know how blessed they are
How catholic survived in Iraq?
Bro Christians in iraq have spirior right in government and you can look it up also every one thinks we kill christians we live side by side and we respect one another but can say the same for muslims in cristian countries and i am from iraq and the cherch is 400 m away from my home
American wars destroyed the Christian population in Iraq. God bless America right?
The Bible never ever mentions tolerance. It never tells us to pray for tolerance. Tolerance is a form of complacency and when it comes to sin, there should be no tolerance to the word of God
Liberalism is a partly offshoot of Christian values.
@@hardikilusdopadikus5465
The whipping of money changers?
If you turn the other cheek when somebody slaps you, you are not reacting in an unnecessary way to an insignificant thing..you don't need to and shouldn't fight over everyting
LOVE THY ENEMY?
@@AuraysTimelessChannel
Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
By far one of the BEST podcast!!!!!! So much insight into these awesome religions and cultures !!!! Gracias
awesome religions?religion is cancer dude.
Christians often lack the courage and fortitude to stand up to Evil and Biblical distortions. Tolerance is often an excuse for collaboration with the Devil. God is Truth, and counterfeit variations are lies. ✝️
You're exactly right, the big problem is churches are not equipping the flock.
It'd take tremendous courage and faith to believe something you never seen. And change your lifestyle to live for God. Everyday since then it's the battle between good and evil. There are many Christians crucified for their belief but you seldom see it due to media censorship...
Yea it takes a lot of something to believe in something that has zero evidence.
@@zasbill1988 your statement shows you haven’t actually done any work to look into the arguments and evidence for God’s existence, you just believe what people tell you. I’d encourage you to actually look into it, you’ll be surprised, or at least know what you’re talking about.
I believe in freedom for all fundamental Christians to have their beliefs, and i respect real traditional Christian over these Liberal secular so-called Christian because we have many commonalities
Thats SO true. FInally someone who agrees that theres a time to stand up and say "No"
Exactly right. When there was a rejection of Christianity in the West. This isn’t God’s world. Satan owns it. But loses in the end.
Okay how is he going to lose? When do Christians start rising up and do more than just PRAY? You get more done with your hands and feet than you do on your knees, and that's my biggest problem with Christianity.
@@platinumuschannelSatan already lost. Jesus defeated death on the cross
If we had an apostasy law for killing those who leave the religion like the Muslims do then we would still have a lot of Christians in the “Christian” countries, but Our God wants everyone to come to him with their own free will, he is not going to force anyone to himself because he is not narcissistic.
No! Satan like any other creature (and like ourselves) owns nothing but his sin...God, as the creator owns everything except Satan's, the fallen angels and our sins. This world is only Satan's theater to work his evil by God's allowance. Satan is not omnipotent and is always on God's leash ... see Job 1:12 and 2:6.
@@platinumuschannelsome battles are fought physical and some battles are spiritual . ONLY THE ANNOINTED WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS
When you are tolerant of everything, you stand for nothing.
Jesus never taught the tolerance of values, he taught to love even your enemies but never tolerate the wrong values or teachings from them. Many christians today do neither, the don't love and they tolerate many worldly and evil values. Islam on the other hand, don't teach the love that Jesus taught and even teach evil values like revenge and extreme violence.
The Top G
Imma draw a pic of Muhammad
And that why west is more peaceful than middle east bro....because christian tolerance...that's why west have so many immigrants come to west society because it's way more PEACE.....
@@bernardoguerrero9368 Just draw a pic of your great grandfather,
I agree if the church would speak against the alphabet community trying to sexualize kids we would not be in this position.
They tried at first. They were attacked from all side and eventually silenced. After that, they were infiltrated by w0ke wolves in sheeps clothing. But I see more churches and pastors condemning it today, especially in the last 2 years alone than ever before. It just doesn't make it online.
The church does not have good record on that.
@@AfghanistanExploration
Yes it does
@@adamprice3466 tell that to all the kids that got molested
@@AfghanistanExploration
You mean like in the Roman Empire when they were openly and openly diddling children and Christianity came and knocked the pedophilia out of the world's empire. I'll tell that to them.
Thank you PBD for discussing this topic! It is much needed!
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
G. K. Chesterton
This is as good as content can get. Bravo Pat
”Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient Perfection)”
There's a difference between being tolerant towards people and peoples behaviors.
Not quite. When you start modifying religion laws to accept behaviours that used to be a sin, you’re now breaking religious law and in breach of the religion. Tolerance is therefore normalizing sinister behaviour.
Hate the sin not the sinner
You can’t separate both though
That's true for most people, about 90 to 97%. Beware of those with dark triad traits, their enablers, and flying monkeys. Muslims with mindsets like the gentlemen here belong to that group.
Tolerance is in the eye of the beholder. Certain behaviors make a cohesive society, But death threats garner fear not respect or cooperation.@@Dante-fk4yi
Great job, my Christians bros, you are delivering with conviction and revelation. That makes the big difference!
Iam seeking knowledge towards religion myself a born muslim but went through other religion and currently looking into Christianity.
I went through several verses and very confused if u have answers give me some insight.
Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Mathew 19:16, 17
why jesus is not good?
he clearly mention that he is not God but a human messenger every prophet are way to reach god.. as they carry the message.
“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 2:22
this what all other prophets taught, they did miracles but only with the will of god.
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
He clearly says that he is nothing but a messenger sent from god.
Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended. to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
john 20:17
my father and your father so are the people were also part of trinity?? he clearly says my god and your god so it openly states that jesus had and have a God.
And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”
Mathew 26:39
not in my will but in God will so these verse makes me question why Christians think jesus is God.
The bible have errors like different narration in years, numbers and so on. which makes it less trust worthy as it is human words.
you can google abt the errors or I will send you.
I know some verses says before Abraham I was, I and the father are one but he also says my father is greater than I. so these things don't really proves anything to me.. if there is something else do highlight me. Not a debate we will have a discussion.
This podcast episode dove deeper than any religious conversation I've ever listened to. These men have incredible knowledge. I'm impressed.
No they don’t. Just watch mohammed hijab dismantling these to fools
@@xrozip4050 that doesn't discredit the fact that they can debate well.
Yeah the Muslims were crushing.
@@russianwarriarthe Christians were massively disappointing on this debate. The Muslims ripped them apart. Even pbd(the christian host) admitted that.
@ab-cm2ic exactly my point. I'm a Christian myself, and found the Muslims very convincing at the very least. Very intelligent individuals.
Correction! Not all Christians are tolerant. Most African Christians countries are not tolerant... I am from Uganda and Christian. We stand strong as Jesus is our guiding light. Paul said that Christ is reigning now and “must reign til he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death” (I Cor. 15:25-26).
God bless Uganda
Then you should adhere to the old testament
Christian African countries that are against homosexuality because they are influenced by Muslims and have a Muslim population. The African continent has a Muslim majority
Uganda is a country where the majority were Muslims, but the British occupation changed the religion in Uganda and the language Arabic.
Doesn't change the fact largest number of Christians live in the West includes Europe and America . Yet they allowed gay marriages and lgbt churches.
How crazy that it’s 2 brown guys ( Christian defenders) vs 2 “white” guys( Muslim defenders) in this debate.
They all middle eastern or north african descent, they just different complexions!
@@normalstreet1lmao team America 🎉
@@normalstreet1 “….the gays and the straights and the white and the spades…. Everyone has AIDS!”
@@eosman755 Turkey is split between SE Asia and Europe. I never heard anyone call a person from Turkey white 🤷🏽♂️
Daniel is Persian, if I'm not mistaken. Since when are Persians white? Is Pat white too?
The OP of this thread is quite a moron if he thinks Christianity is a "White" religion anyways. Does he mean the religion that was started by those swarthy Middle-Easterners and Greeks? The religion with 685 million followers in Africa and 383 million in Asia? Neither Christianity nor Islam is "race based".
It's fine if we want to discuss the merits or validity of either religion's theology, but to essentialize them into "White vs Brown" is some idiotic Critical Race Theory garbage.
Love these debates. Thank you for providing this content
Thank you brother Patrick for trying to build the bridges for humanity. You have kept your own religion aside and really moderated fairly which shows your honesty and respect to both Christianity as well as Islam. I commend you for this and pray for your protection, health and prosperity.
Great work!
This podcast was about BUILDING BRIDGES and the muslim dawahgandists just want to k🕋I🕋l🕋l their apostates and blasphemers, and then want to force Christians to k🕋I🕋l🕋l the Christians apostates. This is what you get when you want muslims to build bridges. The only bridges that Isl🕋m builds, is built with the dead bodies of apostates Jews Christians and the kuffar, over a river of the blood of the very people that m 🕋u 🕋s 🕋l 🕋i 🕋m 🕋s k🕋I🕋l🕋l. Welcome to Dawah Bridge building 1.01.♥️🙏👍🤗✝️♥️
Real Islam is out there not at a round table discussion
If tolerance is a virtue, intolerance is also a virtue. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
That's like saying crime is bad, so not committing crime is bad.
Damn you ppl are stupid to the bone.
that is the stupidest thing i have heard. "if not murdering is a virtue then murdering is a virtue"
@@JohnSmith-gh3kp Your response is not only the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard it’s a deranged answer to what I said. You clearly don’t understand much. It is through intolerance that we get murderers off the street. By NOT TOLERATING that sort of behavior, we increase safety in society. The Virtue of Intolerance is why you even suggest that murdering is not a virtue.
yes but a blanket statement like that is retarded because you can use it to justify basically anything. @@AZ-697
OP is self evidently ridiculous.
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I must say I admire and respect Patrick's ability to meditate and stay impartial very very awesome 👍👍👍👍👍
Damn! Jake you have always had my respect, now my respect grew even more.
Jake came prepared.
Pls have more debates like this …. Ppl will definitely benefit
If you tolerate everything, then you stand for nothing
20:58 “yes use violence to expand your influence and to conquer” welp that tells you all you need to know
Sounds like every Empire ever.. Romans, Greeks, British, Americans. Americans practice this better than anyone.
@@theyoungdaee7155 then why did we not use nuclear weapons when we were the only ones that had them? the usa could of ruled the entire world.. but we did not... what you said is wrong... if Islam had nukes and no one else did... Arabic would be the global language..
@@DarkBluePaperHats LOL you think u need nuclear weapons to rule the world? In the New age America rules through military sanctions, drone missles and coups. The US funded neo nazis in Ukraine because they did not like a pro Russian government. Islam is against the excessive use of force and killing of innocent civilians. The Nabi peace be upon him forbade it. Only combatants are to be harmed
yeah when daniel said every culture and religion does that I was shocked... maybe he hasn't heard of buddhism or jainism where ahimsa (non-violence) is focal point of the teachings. And it goes to subtlest levels of non-violence where even thinking hurtful things towards others should be avoided. Because when you hurt others you are only hurting yourself.
We are all humans, not christians, muslims, jews, hindus or whatever other teachings. We can only end this cycle by standing united as humans.
@@heniljain1990 LOL Buddhist are literally having a war and participating in an ethnic cleansing right now in Myannmar. You should see what the buddha said about war too.
Fantastic video. Love how you brought them all on top of this conversation. It was needed.
Wow what a contentious topic. Thanks for having this necessary dialogue. Looking forward to More of these talks same topic with different more mature guests. Awesome.
"The more moral a society, the more freedom that society receives." -- Mark Passio
Passio is fuckin great.
That's totally false
This is literally the opposite of the truth. Unimpeded freedom leads to immorality. Moral societies create elaborate systems of rules to restrict behavior in a reasonable manner.
@@renoirrandy7241how is it not? The only way in which that statement proves false is if you conflate freedom with license to do whatever you want including evil to others. Freedom is not the same as licentiousness because licentiousness is nothing but slavery to the passions and base impulses of human nature. True freedom and having an optimal life require self-restraint and personal virtue.
@@Tyler_W take the US for exam, how moral would you say is that society. In my opinion it's one of the least moral places despite their freedoms. Women expose their bodies, sell themselves online, the porn industry, men pretending to be women, women pretending to be men, the most drugged up country on earth. I can keep going, doesn't seem very moral to me
The Christian brother with the grey coat and purple tie (sorry ...forgot his name) ...is very wise and his responses are Spot On!
Robert Spencer ? He's a laughing stock now
Very strong debate! Well done Pat! Good to see these types of discussions..
I think, we both christians and muslims knw the diff we have in our beliefs.. we can argue till the cow comes home.. i think we have a bigger problem and should work together as being the two biggest religions in the world and put our diff aside and have a stand. We are the last defence for our children's future
why would i follow a religon that has said they would destroy all jews if they wanted. Why would i back a religon who has caused terrorism in modern times. why would i back a religon who was the forfront that destroyed my state of ny. i will NEVER bow to Islam or any of its beliefs.
The Indian cow
Jesus said, "I will not judge those who hear me but don’t obey me, for I have come to save the world and not to judge it. But all who reject me and my message will be judged on the day of judgment by the truth I have spoken."
Christians, likewise, are not to judge, but are to share the good news of forgiveness in Christ and reconciliation with God through Him. But when this time of mercy from God ends, His judgment will come, this earth will become a part of His kingdom, and all who rejected Him will be cast out.
Not judge? Christians are commanded by God to judge those things that do not belong in the Body of Christ
In the old testament the books where way different: god is feared becasue when unleashed it's wrath upon Sodoma and Gomorra for example, he destroyed it without any mercy. And we should stop to believe the new testament which was hardly edited because someone decided it was too harsh.
if you love me you will obey my commandments
@@gracelatour3441exactly "don't judge according to appearance but judge with righteous judgement "
@@gracelatour3441 Christians don't have an earthly government like ancient Israel or like Islam, so we don't judge and punish people for wrongdoing. Jesus will judge us all when he returns.
"tolerance is only a virtue when its reciprocated"
Great conversations....Pat is doing very good job. Keep it up!
Thanks Patrick
Well done Jack. Highly appreciated
They interrupt because they are uncomfortable.
They are uncomfortable because they disagree.
@@bobjohnson1633 That wasn’t it. He wasn’t allowing him to finish making his point but was quick to shut him up. That’s not a strength but a weakness
@@theonly6359 He shut him only when he makes false claims. He get irritated because they don't let them runaway with that.
Next time pay attention.
I'm a Muslim but I don't agree with the interruptions from our side. 🤍
Saying something confidently does not make one’s claims to be true. I know the leftists and muslims have mastered this.
Everybody in the comments talking about tolerance when these two Muslims literally had no qualms with the Muslim turned Christian being put to death. Difference between Christianity and Islam is very well exemplified right there.
Robert Spencer in this debate seems to be implying that the most distinguished principle of Christianity is NOT having any firm principles
Lying with emotions is the best tactics psychologically
It's called not being a totalitarian. Islam thinks it has answers to everything and anything. Christianity is more humble.
@@markkuuss Being humble suits for us humans. If Christianity claims to be the religion of God and the Bible as the word of God, the last thing that it is supposed to be is humble.
@@markkuuss
Sorry to say this, but you are implying that your God is incompetent.
Not All-knowing, not All-powerful etc.
@@blindspot9097where in his fucking statement does he imply that God is not all-knowing or powerful? He just states that Christianity is about being more humble and not totalitarian.
15:26 ‘We Have an evolving understanding’ aka…..change that shit before we get into trouble
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Brilliant show, thank you
I think this could be an amazing discussion series. I will say though that it’s hard to understand everything being said with them talking over each other but I think it would be a great series for people like me who are fascinated by religions but I am not very religious myself but it would be better if the people in the discussion wouldn’t get offended and just have genuine conversations so that there’s no tension, interrupting, and be able to really hear each other out. Just my thoughts just wish everyone could chill a bit and make the discussion more beneficial for everyone.
Yes was very interesting but unfortunatly the muslim side had much less speaking time than the christians. So that they were interrupting was reasonable 🙂
The reason why he keeps interrupting is that he doesn't want to listen to the answer which makes him in denial.
Honestly. They don't want to learn nor to be disproved.
It’s a deep hatred - because in the Quran, Muslims are taught to view all “non-believers” as enemies that should be converted or murdered.
The two religions cannot be compared. One is very much founded on love and light, and the other very much glorifies darkness and sin.
It's because he is rude and arrogant
Who keeps interrupting? They're all talking over each other!
Who's he?? You have to specify that. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
i'm Catholic but even i can see that Christianity has caved to wokeness and some denominations have embraced the 'alternative' lifestyle in their churches. i admire Islam's stance on this and they don't bend the knee to appease wokeness.
Yea but your catholic popes lie, steal, and hide pedos etc.
If you are true Christian and read your bible you will understand that Bible predicted what's happening in the world today
Iam seeking knowledge towards religion myself a born muslim but went through other religion and currently looking into Christianity.
I went through several verses and very confused if u have answers give me some insight.
Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Mathew 19:16, 17
why jesus is not good?
he clearly mention that he is not God but a human messenger every prophet are way to reach god.. as they carry the message.
“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 2:22
this what all other prophets taught, they did miracles but only with the will of god.
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
He clearly says that he is nothing but a messenger sent from god.
Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended. to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
john 20:17
my father and your father so are the people were also part of trinity?? he clearly says my god and your god so it openly states that jesus had and have a God.
And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”
Mathew 26:39
not in my will but in God will so these verse makes me question why Christians think jesus is God.
The bible have errors like different narration in years, numbers and so on. which makes it less trust worthy as it is human words.
you can google abt the errors or I will send you.
I know some verses says before Abraham I was, I and the father are one but he also says my father is greater than I. so these things don't really proves anything to me.. if there is something else do highlight me. Not a debate we will have a discussion.
There is nothing I admire about Islam, absolutely nothing.
It’s time we become more intolerant Christian brothers and take our divine place
Amen.
Explain that. More intolerant in what way? And what do you mean by divine place.
If we become intolerant the world population will reduce drastically.
it's possible, just look at butt lite and dylan mulvaney fiasco
We need to become intolerant against evil and injustice. Regardless of the shape it takes.
This opened my eyes to both sides and you see how both “religions “ carry themselves
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20:30 can't disagree. Infallible explanation
I feel sorry for these two guys (converts to Islam) may God bless them and bring them back to the light
😂😂😂😂 I feel sorry for you believe jesus is Christian😂😂😂 he never claims
Only jake is a convert
So many years they live dark and dont want back them in dark.
u saying the Muslims lived in the light?@@lalnunkimaralte6558
@@Zainab_salat sorry for you muslims worshipping a paedophile who practices polygamy 😂
What i got from this was, the Muslim guys were answering every questions, while the Christian guys were evading the questions with long rants.
And the chubby christian dude sounded rude Everytime he was being told to answer the question
They literally did answer the question, very clearly and in significant detail. They just didn't gove the kind of answers they wanted because they answer answer from the Islamic Frame of reference being presented. As far as arguments go, the Christians had far better ones. The only reason anyone not already a Muslim would think the Muslims won the debate was because they sounded more forceful and assertive in the way they spoke, which has absolutely no bearing on who's actually right. In fact the Muslims overtly misrepresented their opponents words and claims throughout the entire debate. They basically strawmanned the entire time.
@@Tyler_Wyou and them (Christian debaters) have one thing in common, the “emotional rambling”.
@@5115440we know muslims and leftists have mastered the art of lying confidently.
@@5115440and when we pull up statistics of the amount of atrocities done by muslims in europe you muslims are the first one to call facts islamaphobe. So don’t come here and say Christians are emotional. But don’t worry we will be intolerant from now on.
It’s always a good segment when it starts with Patrick saying “let me unpack that”
Jake and Daniel perfect teamwork
Certain individuals have pushed the idea of lgbt on specific communities hard, they will see the fruits of their labour. It will devour them until there’s nothing left.
Daniel does well refuting the lies of rachid
@@kristinazboodram173he will be literally on fire 🔥 in hell if he doesn’t repent of his lies!
@kristinazboodram173 racid just tells anecdotes, his own story or fear mongers. He spray guns stereotypes and gets emotional. There is zero academic discussion, philosophy or knowledge in what racid says
16:57 funny how it’s okay for muslims to kill women and children as collateral damage but when Israel does it it’s a genocide
Exactly!! Very Evil!
No. The difference is the intentional targeting of them and happening to kill them after the fact when that was not the intention. In Judaic law, they believe in killing children in war (and taking women captive in war) and that is based on their scripture. That's not the same thing at all.
Correction. Portugal was actually the first abolishing slavery in 1761. The UK was in 1807. So, Portugal was the first and then everyone else, not the UK and US and then everyone else!
Islam abolished slavery 1400 years ago! The sound of call to prayer from a mosque minaret was by Bilal a freed slave! That's the honour he has in Islam the same words said daily globally on speakers 5 times a day
Islam did not abolish slavery. Allah(swt) calls the freeing of slaves in the Quran as a noble act (surah Balad), it also states in multiple surahs, the freeing of slaves is compensations for various sins/ mistakes.
But no where does Allah(swt) call for the ending of slavery.
Correction, America and England abolished slavery, but not because they suddenly found religion, but realised it was not beneficial any more.
@@theancientsancients1769are you serious? Ever hear anything about the trans-Saharan slave trade between the Muslim Arabs and various African kingdoms? The practices and number of people enslaved makes the already horrific European trans-Atlantic slave trade look like a garden party in comparison. Most of the Islamic nations of the worle did not ban slavery until the 20tu century.
@@redx11xthat's not what happened. The US and Britain were already majority Christian societies, and although you are correct that slavery was in many ways not a very cost effective economic practice in the grand scheme of things, the economics were not what drove their abolition. Most literature promoting the abolition of slavery made their case on an appeal to Christian ethics, Doctrine, and philosophy. Devout Christians were undeniably the driving force behind the abolition of slavery in the US and Great Britain. Any claim to the contrary is just historical revieionism.
I’m tired of turning the other cheek they’re getting bruised too much these days, now it’s time to do what Jesus did start whooping ass and over turning tables in the fathers house!
Ah there is the hidden nazi crusaders
Your old ass isn't whooping anyone lol
Ma nigga 👊🏻
Great work PBD and PBD crew.
Damn, that guys excuse for commending to kill babies and women sounds so weak “that was 3000 thousand years ago”. Like how does that make the statement irrelevant if that’s part of the text ? It’s still something that Christian’s should believe in, and just saying that it was 3000 years ago doesn’t really matter in this situation
This Rashid guy is moralizing and tries to win Patrick over😂
He's a pathetic hypocrite, I wouldn't trust him with his own daughter
@@prsimoibn2710This podcast was about BUILDING BRIDGES and the muslim dawahgandists just want to k🕋I🕋l🕋l their apostates and blasphemers, and then want to force Christians to k🕋I🕋l🕋l the Christians apostates. This is what you get when you want muslims to build bridges. The only bridges that Isl🕋m builds, is built with the dead bodies of apostates Jews Christians and the kuffar, over a river of the blood of the very people that m 🕋u 🕋s 🕋l 🕋i 🕋m 🕋s k🕋I🕋l🕋l. Welcome to Dawah Bridge building 1.01.♥️🙏👍🤗✝️♥️
This podcast was about BUILDING BRIDGES and the muslim dawahgandists just want to k🕋I🕋l🕋l their apostates and blasphemers, and then want to force Christians to k🕋I🕋l🕋l the Christians apostates. This is what you get when you want muslims to build bridges. The only bridges that Isl🕋m builds, is built with the dead bodies of apostates Jews Christians and the kuffar, over a river of the blood of the very people that m 🕋u 🕋s 🕋l 🕋i 🕋m 🕋s k🕋I🕋l🕋l. Welcome to Dawah Bridge building 1.01.♥️🙏👍🤗✝️♥️
Christian did a great job not letting the white Muslim guy talking over him.
You didn't see the entire thing did you
Go educate yourself. These brown “Christians” don’t know their religion. Learn both Islam and Christianity your self and see the Truth. And the Trurth shall free you from the deception and corruption in Christianity 😢
If someone is a Christian it does not mean that he is a fool. Tolerance is a humble element that should reach the point where it will not become an object of exploitation by another person which is opposed to Christian values and ethics . Therefore, a Christian must always be vigilant and discerning in such situations when attacked by someone who wishes to harm him or wants to exploit him for his own pettiness, benefit and vanity. As for the gentleman that refer on Samuel, what the Lord says on the old testament is that at that time God was the righteous judge of all those who had turned away from him and lived in a state of utter decline and decay. With the new testament Christ came and opened the way to the kingdom of heaven through his path and way with the instructions that he gave to his apostles and then to the whole world. The Muslims in the program unfortunately, like all Muslims, see the old and new testament very superficially.
translation: my unwillingness to enforce God's laws and turn the other cheek to degeneracy taking place in front of my eyes are actually a virtue instead of a reflection of my treason or cowardice.
There. Fixed that comment for you.
@@HelenWAChrist never advocated violence unless it was child abuse. The Vatican is raping boys. That's why everything falls apart because the churches of ALL religions are supposed to be the moral, educational and humanitarian principality. Nearly all universities are funded by churches, and look at the garbage they teach. All governing officials are corrupted and always have been.
@HelenA-vz5wy
You've just proven his point by lacking nuance, well done.
no, you've just proven mine, sir. @@NotAnElf
I’m a Christian myself. The US and Uk did not start the fight against slavery.. that’s a big lie . In fact, Haiti led the fight against the French in 1971 to dismantle slavery. 12 years later, in 1804 Haiti defeated the French Army and became a free nation. The Haitian revolution influenced US uprisings, leading to The Louisiana Purchase which doubled the size of the US. Segregation started in church and many Christians wanted to maintain the institution of slavery. The slaves were taken to church and told to obey their masters as it is God ordained. Slavery wasn’t abolished in America until 1865. The presented historical facts on slavery in this debate are inaccurately portrayed.
The British eventually realised it was a nasty practice and went about to abolish slavery.
How about defending your faith without attacking islam
It's so funny when Patrick asked for the solution for Christians all they can bring up was how or why to hate Islam lol 😂 these Christians can't see past their hate for Islam. To be honest as Muslims we don't sit around hating Christians even though they ruined our beautiful Muslims countries we still treat them with kindness. In any case I find it funny when all they can do to find a solution is somehow to hate Islam
Islam IS an attack on Christianity and other religions.
The entire religion is based on trying to refute Christianity and Judaism.
Islam attacks every other faith.
christianity isn't worth defending nor can it be without being hypocritical or one-sided
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The opposite is true. All religions fights islam. Christians bomb Muslim countries, Jews kill and steal Palestine and Hindus kill Muslims in India,!Buddist kill Muslims in Manmar.
Islam is being fought on so many fronts since 9/11 and it only gets stronger
Well done Jake and Daniel ❤. They were running from bible
They where running away from the Old Testament based on evolving new understanding. Which means no core principles at all.
Robert states that the bible is not the literal word of God but the interpretation of what Mathew, Mark, Luke and John thought what God meant! So the bible not the literal word of God. This is what I don't get about Christians. Not Christianity. Interpretation is a dangerous thing. God's law is simple. Do and don't do! Ameen!!!!
@@shahdrah so what’s the point of following a group of people that you may think were inspired. They need to come to Islam it’s the only way of salvation.
@@freepresscable6187
Who is the Author of the Old Testament?
@@freepresscable6187 salaam. Hope you are well. I don't follow a group of people. I try to stick to the core principles that Allah has provided me through the Qur'an. I am not perfect nor anyway near it, but strive to be it and aim to follow the ways of our last prophet Muhammad (PBUH). AMEEN. Have a blessed day!
This will never gets old
The irony is, if a group is very or too tolerant, they can get overwhelmed by other more aggressive schools of thought. And eventually cease to exist.
While on the other hand, if a group is less tolerant, eventually it can start swaying towards more extremism because human ego and self-righteousness will become a factor.
Good point loved that analysis
Christians have become apathetic. That's one of the problems that iv noticed while going to church. Sometimes it's ok to fight for something. People should not be tolerant for things they do not believe.
I dont understand if God has already paid for all the sins and the laws have been fulfilled and there is no more sin then whats wrong with people living a sinful life?
If My sins have already been paid I will have sex outside of marriage and with a married/unmarried woman. as many women as I want. I would steal, do corruption, lie and do whatever that pleases me If God has already paid for all of these actions.
Please explain.
This podcast was about BUILDING BRIDGES and the muslim dawahgandists just want to k🕋I🕋l🕋l their apostates and blasphemers, and then want to force Christians to k🕋I🕋l🕋l the Christians apostates. This is what you get when you want muslims to build bridges. The only bridges that Isl🕋m builds, is built with the dead bodies of apostates Jews Christians and the kuffar, over a river of the blood of the very people that m 🕋u 🕋s 🕋l 🕋i 🕋m 🕋s k🕋I🕋l🕋l. Welcome to Dawah Bridge building 1.01.♥️🙏👍🤗✝️♥️
Islam makes sense without any doubt. Islam is easy and straight religion. We muslim dont debate like „according to this person ....." „in my opinion" „I think" we talk with the references of our holy book Quran.
we have a church group here where several congregations get together and have various functions. one of the pastors is woke, my running joke with my own pastor is
"every time i see this man i am driven closer and closer to islam."
its a joke we share. he finds it funny. we both agree privately mainstream christianity is absolutely taking a Godless path when it comes to addressing homosexuality and trans issues.
for me its actually not becoming a joke.
if this persists i will be converting.
I recommend youtube Muslim lantern if you want to ask your doubt.
@kanyewest653 then you will tell everyone , you were a christian, actually you were almost the pope.
Stop going to that church and tithing to it. I’m not paying for someone’s woke project. They know what they’re doing and you need to show a spine and put a stop to it.
May your life be blessed with Islam. Welcome to the family
Yes MUSLIM Lantern Channel is perfects to ask any questions and understand islam
There also Sajid LIPHAM that you can go to learn and ask
And Shadid Bolsen for current affairs (thank me later)
Oh Allah guide him to the Truth amen.
May the Lord bless all five of you for this conversation.
WHICH ONE?!
When tolerance is a society's primary "virtue", what was once intolerable will inevitably become tolerated...
Exhibit A: MAPs (minor attracted person(s))
The paradox of Tolerance - Karl Popper 1940
If everyone is tolerant of every idea, then intolerant ideas will emerge. Tolerant people will tolerate this intolerance, and the intolerant people will not tolerate the tolerant people. Eventually, the intolerant people will take over and create a society of intolerance. Therefore, to maintain a society of tolerance, the tolerant must be intolerant of intolerance.....hence the paradox.
A really cool way that I heard the Bible described is that, at it's core, the Bible is a love story between God and His people. Raw, mistakes, redemption, failure, salvation, hope, all of it. Love it.
Ok save that for the church, don’t preach in a debate. We use logic here
Charlie and the chocolate factory was a way I’ve heard.
The Bible has been distorted. I advise you to read the Qur’an
And watch ottoman ibn farooq videos his channel one message fondation
@@5115440 what’s wrong with my statement? This is a comment section. If you choose to debate, it’s ok. If you don’t like it, move on or ask a question. Have a nice day.
@@cayennepeppa707 the problem is you’re commenting on a debate with your preach mode ON. Also it’s highly anecdotal what you’re saying. That’s why save it for your church, people here are mostly interested in an academic based conversation, you know where you set a premise and present your view and back it up with evidence, not whatever BS love story between your supposed god and his people, life is not a movie.
also “Raw” what the hell.
Daniel is always making his argument by saying all religions have violence or rape etc… which is not the case. No one asks him to reference what other religions is he talking about? This is a common answer he gives on many questions he gets stuck with on islam
This is a fascinating debate.
MashAllah, habibi Jake and Daniel 👌👌👌
If you're too tolerant with your principles and values, you actually don't have any principles and values
Did you check you Page or walktalk today.
I Don’t Know Where This Statistics Came From 🤷🏽 But Let Me Say This “No Muslim Should Accept These So Called Alphabets” No Matter Where You Live In The World 🌍 & It’s Haram 100 Percent/Not Permissible Period.
It would be great if they would let the Christians talk without being interrupt ever second.
They weren’t answering the questions and were dishonest. Christians got dog walked in this debate. Specially the ex muslim
@@wassaaa710 no they were not, and they were answering the questions.. ofc, if you wanted to hear the answer
@@wassaaa710😂😂 wake up ffs
@@kokica007 lmao, look at the comments. U christians can’t win arguments because ur religion is the one flawed. Hard to defend
A definition of tolerance is the capacity to endure exposure to a stressor for a period of time without an adverse reaction.
At some point however, a limit is reached.
Tolerance does not continue on forever.
Amazing!!!