"Christians Are too Tolerant" - Intense Debate About Modern Christianity & Islam
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- Patrick Bet-David moderates a religious discussion between Muslims and Christians. In this short clip, they discuss whether or not Christianity has become too tolerant. Today's guests were Daniel Haqiqatjou, Robert Spencer, Brother Rachid, and Jake Brancatella.
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"Christians are too tolerant." Finally, something we can agree on.
Yeah, they allowed hundreds of different Christian sects so one could pick and choose what they liked and didn't like 😂😂😂
Entirely too New Testament and needing to understand Old Testament ways. But isn’t there words of Jesus saying it’s ok to take up swords?
“Certainly! Matthew 5:17-18 is a passage from the New Testament, specifically from the Gospel of Matthew. Here is the text of those verses (ESV):
"17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished."
In these verses, Jesus is speaking, and He emphasizes that He did not come to abolish the Law (which includes the Old Testament laws and teachings) but to fulfill them. He goes on to say that not even the smallest part of the Law will pass away until all is accomplished. This indicates the continuity between the Old Testament (the Law and the Prophets) and Jesus' mission as the fulfillment of that divine plan.”
Divine commandments completely rejected by his followers 😅
It’s not tolerant it’s love and understanding if humans want to become a monsters I can assure you I can become a bigger monster
"If you tolerate everything
You stands for nothing"
Once a wiseman said!
“Stands for nothing” Who said that Popeye the sailor?
Top G
Top G!!!
Or you stand on your leg 😂
Wisemen still say it
I had a pastor preach a sermon one time, and the title of it was, “Tolerance! The devil’s doctrine.”
@@virtualbeing5195 Who would've agreed? Who wouldve told who to f'off? Are you able to comprehend what you read darling? Freaking AI. lol
I love it when a former Christian turns Muslim debates a former Muslim turned Christian. Fantastic learning here. Amazing PBD!!!
And we see how much smarter and more learned the Muslim side is
@@CamoShirtthe only I hear from him is Moslem want to kill him
@@Notreallyhereanymore he lies and never understood the Bible.
@@Notreallyhereanymorehow?
@@Notreallyhereanymore👨🏾🦲👨🏾🦲
Tolerance is another word for normalization. What happens when you take drugs for too long, you build up tolerance. What happens when you watch scarier and scarier movies/music/etc, you build up tolerance. What happens when you accept immorality.... you build up tolerance. Tolerance must be built up first in order to go further, otherwise it will be too unpleasant. Once you build up tolerance, it is very difficult and often impossible to reverse.
I can watch any horror movie but the modern politics and modern culture scares me. I believe forgot about how important Faith is to life, people are not valuing religious beliefs like they should. People need to treat Christian values with respect and go back to normal values instead of this modern soulless progressive values we have nowadays
That word you keep repeating, I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Sodom and Gomorrah are very good examples of tolerance and allowing values to lessen. What happened to them? Nuked.
I love the story of the angels sent in. Lot offered his daughters but the men refused that and was trying to get the two angels that appeared like men...WOW!
Cough christian intolerence: crusades and nazis
*cough*historical ignorance*cough* @@ryojs4286
My mind can't accepet the idea that someone claims to be a follower of jesus and at the same time support what jesus has prohibited
That's why Voltaire said christianity is the religion of everything Jesus has forbiden.
@@CreativeeteaAmerica is not the epicentre nor an example of Christian values. Many Christian countries around the world ban by law the things America tolerates. Main character syndrome must end
@@CreativeeteaAn anti-Christian deist said that about Christianity?!
@@justchilling704it's true so, you can't eat pork, drink alcohol, have interest, woman should cover their hair when praying. Never seen any christian do not any of these things except drinking alcohol.
God told us not to eat scavengers...(roaches, shrimp, etc).... do people do this? Yes... is it beneficial? No
In the time and city woman had rules of what to wear... Do our schools have the same policy? It depends on what state you are in
My family are catholics from Iraq. My parents left for religious and equal rights. . They were uneducated, and yet all 10 of there kid's are successful business owners. God Bless America ❤
so they left be able to live in a hedonistic society where they won't be punished for committing degeneracy and economic benefits. I guess having lgbt+ agenda to be taught in schools is better than having islamic militants enforce the old testament to you parents. 🤷♀
Keep telling them they dont know how blessed they are
How catholic survived in Iraq?
Bro Christians in iraq have spirior right in government and you can look it up also every one thinks we kill christians we live side by side and we respect one another but can say the same for muslims in cristian countries and i am from iraq and the cherch is 400 m away from my home
Millions have had to leave their homes because of US terrorism too
It catches my attention how you can see peace and love reflected in the face of the christian brothers, yet violence and a hardness of heart shows in the face of Muslims
That’s not true, there has been tests in public about care between Muslim and Christian, and Christian’s don’t seem to care about those that need help. You probably view Muslims as terrorists
People see what they want
That is because you can not differentiate between peace,love and violence
It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who pays attention to the world around us
I was thinking the same thing, especially from the guy on the far right… scrolled through comments to see if someone felt the same
It's not a matter of Christians being too "tolerant" but a matter of "Christians" simply being uninterested in Christianity and trying to shape it in ways that are comfortable to their needs. Secularism is the new religion for westerners because they want to live more "freely".
The good thing about the world is people believe differently. Like I believe it’s not ok to fuck kids, while some might think it’s completely normal.
Yupp. It's the sweater vest preachers. Christianity has gone soft just as the country has. They go hand in hand.
Living more freely or secular is the opposite of religion but to your point, Good!
Well explained
It's amazingly true😢
PBD has balls to even discuss this topic. Shout out to him. We can learn a lot from this.
Do you like them sweaty caramel balls? 🤔😋🤪
Yeah religious people are essentially worthless snake charmers profiting off of gullible people.
The amount of strain that is going on behind closed doors on both sides because of this I insurmountable. Best thing to happen to religion in years. A real discussion. Ty Jordan Peterson for going thru Exodus and this is inspiring as well.
Quran (only scripture with 100% accuracy/preservation) says Allah is “Al-Ahad”(one/indivisible).Philosophically, It is impossible for 3 distinct perfections to exist simultaneously. Father (Perfection 1/distinct1) =Son (Perfection 2/distinct2)=idolatry.This is due to addition of two extra perfections that are Co-equal/Co-eternal&distinct with Allah(the most Exalted). Not just the Quran, but also the old/New Testament textually establish tauheed(monotheism). So, then why believe in trinity and associate two imaginary parts to Allah(one/indivisible/Self-Sufficient/All-Loving)? How could your love/worship be undivided/exclusive for Allah(the most Exalted) when there are two other equally unique/perfect entities to adore? The verses of bible used by trinitarians are extremely vague and require hard interpretation to extract the understanding that Father/Son/Holy Ghost are Co-equal/Co-Eternal&distinct.
Ya..n am happy west is waking up to reality.
They say a lot of times when someone cant stop interrupting its because theyre arent actually listening and just waiting for a chance at a gotcha moment. Seems to apply here
It's more an emotional reaction. Which can founded on good or bad intent. That is the way with emotions. Usually the minority powers have more emotional invesment. But I'm atheist (grant it influenced by religions) so to me it's more to much tolerance from one side and not enough from the other. I can see both points. I just have more experience with christianity as it's been heavily pushed through media and kther mediums. And i also know the issue with atheism is a lacking of an overall framework and how that turn into morals that aren't beneficial to others around you and only to yourself. I try to practice a spiritual/religious approach to it for that reason. Using treat others how you wanted to treated with a higher understanding some people want to be treated differently based on personal experiences. Atheists haven't had time or power to work this issue out, but i think we can make progress and hopefully bridge the gap or distance/remove themselves from our group of bad apples. But it might take to much time and resources to do so on a global level.
The reason why he keeps interrupting is that he doesn't want to listen to the answer which makes him in denial.
Honestly. They don't want to learn nor to be disproved.
It’s a deep hatred - because in the Quran, Muslims are taught to view all “non-believers” as enemies that should be converted or murdered.
The two religions cannot be compared. One is very much founded on love and light, and the other very much glorifies darkness and sin.
It's because he is rude and arrogant
Being tolerant is one thing, changing and losing the principle itself is another thing. Christians are not only tolerant they lost the words/text that defined the principle.
Well said. It’s one thing not to judge what others do in privacy, it’s another to validate a sin.
@@mo7mova752Sin is Sin regardless if it is done in private or public
@@shadowslayer9988 Agreed, it’s between the sinner and God.
The Word is still around - it needs to be read more often. It's a true today as it was then. None of this is new under the sun.
Not all Christians. That's like judging Islam as a whole off the actions of violent extremists.
As a Christian, I pray for the same principles. I agree 100% with Pat. The teaching of tolerance has become more difficult to adhere to.
Most Christians are confused as they do not study the word of God diligently.
God in the bible has ask us to be tolerant of sinners by rebuking them. Not to tolerate sinful behaviour by joining them or to stay silent about them.
Jesus preached about repentance everywhere he went. He sat amongst the tax collector, prostitutes, phraisees. Etc.
When the Pharisees wanted to stone the prostitute, Jesus stopped them. Then turned to the prostitute and said. John 8:11 NIV
"No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
Jesus did not say continue in LQBTQIA movement and have sex with who ever you want.
We should love by rebuking each other and not to love to spoil each other. That is how Jesus lead and showed us his love. Which most Christians who are not well versed will spoil and encourage sinful behaviour in their foolishness.
Bible warned about false teacher too. I will spend day talking about it if I continue. Please search up John MacArthur, Paul Washer, David Lynn, Spurgeon, Agustin. So many great defender of Christian faith that does not condone foolish tolerances but only Christ tolerance.
So why did Christians ever allow divorce, sex, usury, satanism to run unanimously superior. Why do we worship science instead of spirit. Why do we listen to whorish thuggish music, why do we wear sexual close. Because Satan the God of the world said it was ok. So do we worship God, or Satan? You can't worship both you know that. Stop listening to pastors and please for God's and your sake read the Bible
You cant truly believe anything this Athiest says...
Hes an admitted athiest, but now that hes supposedly a "conservative reoublican" hes now a follower of the MOST HIGH.
How about its JUST TO GET CHRISTAIN EVANGELISTS to subscribe and pay him.
Dont be fooled by the Devil
You should NOT be tolerant. You should be understanding. You MAY tolerate that which you understand to be tolerable. You SHOULD NOT tolerate anything which you understand to be intolerable.
These religions teach what should and should not be tolerated. Sell your cloak and buy a sword. Not, keep your cloak and tolerate anything people want to do to you
you must "turn another cheek" boy,... or you just another hypocrite
The bible cited by an Islamic preacher in this manner just shows we are dealing with an inherent mindset that wants to take advantage of those who indeed turn the other cheek.
Let me kiss that cheek
Christian did a great job not letting the white Muslim guy talking over him.
You didn't see the entire thing did you
I’ll be honest this video has opened my eyes to Islam. Honestly a religion of principle is a religion worth living by.
Doesn’t that depend on the principle(s)?
I sincerely pray for you that may God guide you to the truth.
Don’t try it , not even once
@@shaikrafey3714Islam is the truth end of story
@@shadowslayer9988Islam is just an offshoot of polytheistic religions from the region which is why the still worship a rock
“Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. It is the virtue of the man without convictions. Modern toleration is a tyranny because it is a silence. To say that I must not deny my opponent's faith is to say I must not discuss it." - GK Chesterton 19thC
Or you could do what your bible says, ya know, as commanded by your 'God'.
Romans 13:1-7
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
I'm a re-read this a couple more times ✝
Read GK Chesterton, he's brilliant. He also suggested.. "do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out, the purpose of an open mind is so that you can close it on something solid."@@knockda887
It's a thin line and you have to find the right balance. Because if you are too sure of yourself and do not accept any criticism or even remarks...you become a totalitarian. That's why theocratic societies are doomed to fail and that's why Muslims flee their countries to the West where they can be free. But on the other hand, I agree somehow...if you let people do anything and believe in anything without boundaries, you'll have at the end gay priests and LGBTQ+++ running the US army
Patience(the capacity to accept or tolerate delay, trouble, or suffering without getting angry or upset.) is a Christian virtue. At least according to:
2 Timothy 4:2
Romans 8:25
Hebrews 10:36
Colossians 3:12
1 Corinthians 13:4
1 Thessalonians 5:14
And if you’re into the Old Testament:
Proverbs 19:11, 25:12, 14:29, 15:18, 16:32
20:58 “yes use violence to expand your influence and to conquer” welp that tells you all you need to know
Sounds like every Empire ever.. Romans, Greeks, British, Americans. Americans practice this better than anyone.
Thats SO true. FInally someone who agrees that theres a time to stand up and say "No"
If one says he/she is a Christian and still practices LGBT things, then one needs to wake up. One can't follow Jesus without denying oneself and one's lust, and the lust of the world. Yes, it is hard to walk in the narrow path, but to those who endures to the end, and to the end of times shall not perish.
Lust is no longer what you do it's who one is.
The evolution from viewing sexuality as something we do to something we are reflects a shift in the way society perceives and discusses human sexuality. This shift is closely tied to the culture of authenticity and the concept of expressive individuality. Let's explore this transformation with explanations and examples:
1. **From "What We Do" to "What We Are"**:
- In the past, discussions of sexuality often revolved around behaviors and actions-what people did in terms of their sexual conduct.
- However, contemporary society has increasingly recognized that sexuality is an integral aspect of a person's identity and self-concept. It's not just about actions but also about one's innate sexual orientation and identity.
2. **Culture of Authenticity**:
- The culture of authenticity encourages individuals to be true to themselves, embracing their genuine feelings, identities, and desires.
- This cultural shift has paved the way for more open discussions about sexuality, allowing individuals to express their authentic selves.
3. **Illustration - From "Do" to "Are"**:
- *Past Perspective ("Do"):* Imagine a historical context where discussions of sexuality primarily focused on societal expectations and norms. People were expected to conform to certain sexual behaviors and roles based on those expectations.
- *Contemporary Perspective ("Are"):* In today's culture of authenticity, discussions about sexuality often revolve around acknowledging and accepting one's innate sexual orientation and identity. People are encouraged to understand and express their authentic selves, whether they identify as heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or within the spectrum of gender identities.
4. **Example - Coming Out**:
- Coming out as LGBTQ+ illustrates the shift from "doing" to "being." In the past, individuals may have hidden their same-sex attractions due to societal norms. Today, many people come out to express their authentic selves and their innate sexual orientations.
5. **Legal and Social Recognition**:
- The shift in perspective has led to legal and social changes, such as the decriminalization of homosexuality, recognition of same-sex marriage, and policies against discrimination based on sexual orientation.
- These changes reflect a growing acceptance of individuals for who they are, rather than what society expects them to do.
@@khaderlander2429 I understand. And all of the things stated above may be true. That is the way of the world today. These things have been mentioned in the old. The question then should be, as one who calls himself/herself a Christian, who is your Lord?
That is bullshit. You can't believe that Jesus is the Lord, your god and the savior of your soul if you also have gay sex?
It's a sin. Only Jesus is without sin. So, only Jesus is Christian?
Mind Begs the Question:
If Christianity prohibits homosexuality
If a State(Govt) approve same-sex marriage
Christian State,Anti-Christ State?
@@iscream271 if one is Liberal Christian then one's desire is one's lord.
The Bible never ever mentions tolerance. It never tells us to pray for tolerance. Tolerance is a form of complacency and when it comes to sin, there should be no tolerance to the word of God
Liberalism is a partly offshoot of Christian values.
@@hardikilusdopadikus5465
The whipping of money changers?
If you turn the other cheek when somebody slaps you, you are not reacting in an unnecessary way to an insignificant thing..you don't need to and shouldn't fight over everyting
LOVE THY ENEMY?
@@AuraysTimelessChannel
Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Great job, my Christians bros, you are delivering with conviction and revelation. That makes the big difference!
Iam seeking knowledge towards religion myself a born muslim but went through other religion and currently looking into Christianity.
I went through several verses and very confused if u have answers give me some insight.
Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?” So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”
Mathew 19:16, 17
why jesus is not good?
he clearly mention that he is not God but a human messenger every prophet are way to reach god.. as they carry the message.
“Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know.
Acts 2:22
this what all other prophets taught, they did miracles but only with the will of god.
In John 17:3, Jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.”
He clearly says that he is nothing but a messenger sent from god.
Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended. to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.
john 20:17
my father and your father so are the people were also part of trinity?? he clearly says my god and your god so it openly states that jesus had and have a God.
And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”
Mathew 26:39
not in my will but in God will so these verse makes me question why Christians think jesus is God.
The bible have errors like different narration in years, numbers and so on. which makes it less trust worthy as it is human words.
you can google abt the errors or I will send you.
I know some verses says before Abraham I was, I and the father are one but he also says my father is greater than I. so these things don't really proves anything to me.. if there is something else do highlight me. Not a debate we will have a discussion.
Thank you PBD for discussing this topic! It is much needed!
The more you read, learn, and know Jesus, the more INTOLERANT you’ll realize he is! He NEVER EVER tolerated injustice and sin. He ALWAYS tolerated people. 👌🏼
Jesus and God do not tolerate sin yet Jesus died for us all who sin. This is bc God is God of Grace! He wants us to be gracious. Grace is required in even in Jesus's Prayer which was "forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors".
21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon.
22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
Matthew 15: 21-26
@@CraigTheBrute-yf7no Matthew 15:25-28 KJV
[25] Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
[26] But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
[27] And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
[28] Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
The Old Testament shows the standard of holiness and how far and short we’ve come. Glory to God, that even a Canaanite who was unworthy of God’s grace, humbled herself to the Savior, received mercy from the Lord. This shows that humility to the Lord is required.
Luke 18:10-14 KJV
[10] Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
[11] The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
[12] I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
[13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
[14] I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
I'm Muslim, but my mom's side of the family is Catholic. My grandparents who have now passed on, were righteous, religious Christians who went to Church regularly and upheld traditional views. My Aunt and Uncles also grew up in the Church, but their children are Liberals! One cousin of mine is dating a guy who just recently 'changed' his gender. My Aunt actually calls him a 'her!'. How could someone who has grown up in the Church so easily give in and 'tolerate' this falsehood? This is definitely a huge issue in Western Christian households now.
Crazy
Wow man this is so crazy i hope u don’t get crazy around these people as muslim living in middle East am glad to god ❤that never deal with these things before, we never accept these crazy things like changing gender 🤢, as spiritual person that’s most thing I can’t accept it and can’t even look or talk to somebody who changed his gender it’s seriously ugly as hell it’s horrible feeling how these people accept it to their selfs probably lowest spiritual people who doing that kind of stuff, you should keep away from these people bro u can find peace and happiness inshalah bro I hope Allah save you and protect you ❤
@@user-om1wl5zl7u Salam! Thank you for the prayers! Alhamdulilah I don’t mix too much with my mom’s family now. But it still shocks me how things are getting so bad, and so quickly! I’m happy you live in the Middle East. Hold on tight to the religion and Insha’Allah your family & community will as well! We can’t have this sickness spread over there! Allah save our Ummah.
@@bee2373 salam your welcome🌹yes i agree with you now a lot people moving from western countries to Arabian countries because of the lgbt teachings in schools especially for kids that’s a real big problem this is so sad it will destroy the whole community by it self they did not realize yet that the real enemy is not islam , anyway I pray god to save kind people like you and your family and friends and lead them to right path ❤️ if you need support or any assistance or any questions etc.. I can give you my instagram or snap pls don’t be shy we are brothers
The Muslim on the right is trying very hard to fit in and for people to take him seriously. What he's wearing is cultural, it's what they wear in parts of North Africa. Not sure if he knows that.
The Christian brother with the grey coat and purple tie (sorry ...forgot his name) ...is very wise and his responses are Spot On!
Robert Spencer ? He's a laughing stock now
I must say I admire and respect Patrick's ability to meditate and stay impartial very very awesome 👍👍👍👍👍
“If you tolerate everything, you stand for nothing, and those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.”
At least these two authors have felt for dollars
@@koshurkot3892: good point.. 😂
That's not an actual truth even though it sounds good. Tolerance IS standing for Christianity. Tolerance doesn't mean acceptance or approval. Tolerance means allowing the existence of things you disagree with. Without tolerance the level of violence on earth would be mindblowing. Considering the level of violence in the world today, that is saying something!
@@Ryan-sl8mwexactly
@@Ryan-sl8mwShould we tolerate incest and bestiality?
Hats off to Patrick for conducting such a fantastic knowledge share session.
It’s always a good segment when it starts with Patrick saying “let me unpack that”
PBD please. I love this, keep minds going.
When you are tolerant of everything, you stand for nothing.
Jesus never taught the tolerance of values, he taught to love even your enemies but never tolerate the wrong values or teachings from them. Many christians today do neither, the don't love and they tolerate many worldly and evil values. Islam on the other hand, don't teach the love that Jesus taught and even teach evil values like revenge and extreme violence.
The Top G
Imma draw a pic of Muhammad
And that why west is more peaceful than middle east bro....because christian tolerance...that's why west have so many immigrants come to west society because it's way more PEACE.....
@@bernardoguerrero9368 Just draw a pic of your great grandfather,
Claps for PBD for being neutral even being christian!
He’s tolerant lol
He did an excellent job here.
He knows he has a lot of Muslims listening. He have said some outrageous stuff in other videos
He's only thinking of the bucks he's going to make. If tomorrow sharia law is applied in america and PBD can make money out of it, he'll not hesitate a second. It's called being a capitalist
@@humaafandi8894like what
"tolerance is only a virtue when its reciprocated"
I think this could be an amazing discussion series. I will say though that it’s hard to understand everything being said with them talking over each other but I think it would be a great series for people like me who are fascinated by religions but I am not very religious myself but it would be better if the people in the discussion wouldn’t get offended and just have genuine conversations so that there’s no tension, interrupting, and be able to really hear each other out. Just my thoughts just wish everyone could chill a bit and make the discussion more beneficial for everyone.
Yes was very interesting but unfortunatly the muslim side had much less speaking time than the christians. So that they were interrupting was reasonable 🙂
Correction! Not all Christians are tolerant. Most African Christians countries are not tolerant... I am from Uganda and Christian. We stand strong as Jesus is our guiding light. Paul said that Christ is reigning now and “must reign til he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death” (I Cor. 15:25-26).
God bless Uganda
Then you should adhere to the old testament
Christian African countries that are against homosexuality because they are influenced by Muslims and have a Muslim population. The African continent has a Muslim majority
Uganda is a country where the majority were Muslims, but the British occupation changed the religion in Uganda and the language Arabic.
Doesn't change the fact largest number of Christians live in the West includes Europe and America . Yet they allowed gay marriages and lgbt churches.
Christians often lack the courage and fortitude to stand up to Evil and Biblical distortions. Tolerance is often an excuse for collaboration with the Devil. God is Truth, and counterfeit variations are lies. ✝️
You're exactly right, the big problem is churches are not equipping the flock.
It'd take tremendous courage and faith to believe something you never seen. And change your lifestyle to live for God. Everyday since then it's the battle between good and evil. There are many Christians crucified for their belief but you seldom see it due to media censorship...
Yea it takes a lot of something to believe in something that has zero evidence.
@@zasbill1988 your statement shows you haven’t actually done any work to look into the arguments and evidence for God’s existence, you just believe what people tell you. I’d encourage you to actually look into it, you’ll be surprised, or at least know what you’re talking about.
I believe in freedom for all fundamental Christians to have their beliefs, and i respect real traditional Christian over these Liberal secular so-called Christian because we have many commonalities
No more tolerance on my behalf and my family’s behalf….god ,country,family.
This opened my eyes to both sides and you see how both “religions “ carry themselves
I agree if the church would speak against the alphabet community trying to sexualize kids we would not be in this position.
They tried at first. They were attacked from all side and eventually silenced. After that, they were infiltrated by w0ke wolves in sheeps clothing. But I see more churches and pastors condemning it today, especially in the last 2 years alone than ever before. It just doesn't make it online.
The church does not have good record on that.
@@kenningosh1447
Yes it does
@@adamprice3466 tell that to all the kids that got molested
@@kenningosh1447
You mean like in the Roman Empire when they were openly and openly diddling children and Christianity came and knocked the pedophilia out of the world's empire. I'll tell that to them.
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.
G. K. Chesterton
The Bible states "Love thy neighbour."
What happens if your neighbour is a murdering terrorist.
You can still love someone without loving his actions
The irony is, if a group is very or too tolerant, they can get overwhelmed by other more aggressive schools of thought. And eventually cease to exist.
While on the other hand, if a group is less tolerant, eventually it can start swaying towards more extremism because human ego and self-righteousness will become a factor.
Good point loved that analysis
How crazy that it’s 2 brown guys ( Christian defenders) vs 2 “white” guys( Muslim defenders) in this debate.
They all middle eastern or north african descent, they just different complexions!
@@normalstreet1lmao team America 🎉
@@normalstreet1 “….the gays and the straights and the white and the spades…. Everyone has AIDS!”
@@eosman755 Turkey is split between SE Asia and Europe. I never heard anyone call a person from Turkey white 🤷🏽♂️
Daniel is Persian, if I'm not mistaken. Since when are Persians white? Is Pat white too?
The OP of this thread is quite a moron if he thinks Christianity is a "White" religion anyways. Does he mean the religion that was started by those swarthy Middle-Easterners and Greeks? The religion with 685 million followers in Africa and 383 million in Asia? Neither Christianity nor Islam is "race based".
It's fine if we want to discuss the merits or validity of either religion's theology, but to essentialize them into "White vs Brown" is some idiotic Critical Race Theory garbage.
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Everybody in the comments talking about tolerance when these two Muslims literally had no qualms with the Muslim turned Christian being put to death. Difference between Christianity and Islam is very well exemplified right there.
Christian’s are taught to love everyone, as we are all God’s children.
We have but one enemy - Satan.
Unlike the Quran, we are not taught to view non-Christians as “enemies”, nor are we taught to hate and kill our brothers and sisters.
We love them.
And whoever does us wrong, God judges for us.
This is true peace.
Christianity is a religion founded on love.
And perhaps it was the loving hearts of these two Christian gentlemen that prevented them from feeling the need to harshly defend what they know to be True.
Exactly right. When there was a rejection of Christianity in the West. This isn’t God’s world. Satan owns it. But loses in the end.
Okay how is he going to lose? When do Christians start rising up and do more than just PRAY? You get more done with your hands and feet than you do on your knees, and that's my biggest problem with Christianity.
@@platinumuschannelSatan already lost. Jesus defeated death on the cross
If we had an apostasy law for killing those who leave the religion like the Muslims do then we would still have a lot of Christians in the “Christian” countries, but Our God wants everyone to come to him with their own free will, he is not going to force anyone to himself because he is not narcissistic.
No! Satan like any other creature (and like ourselves) owns nothing but his sin...God, as the creator owns everything except Satan's, the fallen angels and our sins. This world is only Satan's theater to work his evil by God's allowance. Satan is not omnipotent and is always on God's leash ... see Job 1:12 and 2:6.
@@platinumuschannelsome battles are fought physical and some battles are spiritual . ONLY THE ANNOINTED WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS
There's a difference between being tolerant towards people and peoples behaviors.
Not quite. When you start modifying religion laws to accept behaviours that used to be a sin, you’re now breaking religious law and in breach of the religion. Tolerance is therefore normalizing sinister behaviour.
Hate the sin not the sinner
You can’t separate both though
That's true for most people, about 90 to 97%. Beware of those with dark triad traits, their enablers, and flying monkeys. Muslims with mindsets like the gentlemen here belong to that group.
Tolerance is in the eye of the beholder. Certain behaviors make a cohesive society, But death threats garner fear not respect or cooperation.@@Dante-fk4yi
This didn't age well after 7th October and what Hamas did to little children.
Robert Spencer is a former Catholic who became Orthodox. Good for him.
By far one of the BEST podcast!!!!!! So much insight into these awesome religions and cultures !!!! Gracias
awesome religions?religion is cancer dude.
If you tolerate everything, then you stand for nothing
PBD Gives the best interviews!
Tolerance is not a virtue. Kindness is. And similar manner equality is not a virtue. Kindness is. Kindness operates within truth. If it goes outside the truth it is no longer love and therefore is not kindness.
Brother Daniel hit the bullseye at the end! Respect my dear brother.
He's only right in that the world is doing wrong. The US government and Catholicism does NOT represent true Christianity!
For defending pedofilia and killing people who disagree.
You guys should never again complain about islamophobia.
im not using violence which Muslims, as Daniel said, are proud of that. Jesus said something about loving your enemies, and Muhammad something about not doing evil to those who did you evil, but to respond with kindness and forgiveness or stuff.
edit: if we want to live happily, why violence? ig that theyre the extremists who do that, and the majority of Muslims are actually peaceful. Daniel advocating for violence as a means to spread faith is extremely bad. imagine that happens to a child in America who you do not know, who could have become a Muslim himself, just died because of a bombing?
Why violence? Majority of the people are stuck with the world, and resources, and self-gratifaction (yes, selfishness).
Why do people decide if one is proud of their religion? Can't they be proud already because Allah/God acknowledges that already? Why need to feel privileged to kill? to not care about the innocent? just because one is a Muslim?
I hate that Christians are too accepting, yes I admire how they are peaceful, but they are losing the essence of their faith. But regardless, in this modern age, Christians you seldom see them in big wars. They must be understanding, but not accepting. Isn't it the case that only God chooses who to accept? why need to accept the weirdo alphabet like they are divine themselves, just tell them to be peaceful and loving. There is a debate on this and is too complicated and long for my reply, so nah. I stop at that
Regardless, Muslims doing violence to spread faith is not really conforming to Muhammad's one rule. It is too much of a complex idea, why not be simple and act with 'kindness and forgiveness'? So no. I do not agree with your comment. I do not like war and violence. Muhammad and Jesus don't want that either.
I BEG FOR EVERYONE TO JUST PLEASE BE LOVING AND PEACEFUL! I AM LITERALLY BEGGING RN i hate this world i once loved so much. and plenty are stuck doing worldly things. I hate this world.
@@hindiakoninjasorry7392 Muhammad doesn't want anything but water. He's not in Heaven (you can guess where) but Jesus is. He's sitting at the right hand of the Father, waiting for him to say, "go bring my children home". According the the Bible and the prophecies being fulfilled before our eyes, it will likely happen soon. It's time to choose. Where do you want to spend eternity?
@@earl-tf4qcwhat are you babbling about Man worshipper
This podcast episode dove deeper than any religious conversation I've ever listened to. These men have incredible knowledge. I'm impressed.
No they don’t. Just watch mohammed hijab dismantling these to fools
@@xrozip4050 that doesn't discredit the fact that they can debate well.
Yeah the Muslims were crushing.
@@russianwarriarthe Christians were massively disappointing on this debate. The Muslims ripped them apart. Even pbd(the christian host) admitted that.
@ab-cm2ic exactly my point. I'm a Christian myself, and found the Muslims very convincing at the very least. Very intelligent individuals.
The punishments in the Old Testament was valid because the situation before was different. People before are different.
Too tolerant cant be a thing in Christianity. That's the ENTIRE point of Christianity. The tolerance towards those that hate you IS the ultimate test of faith. As we all know from the Passion of the Christ. Our life on earth is just temporary but our life in heaven is eternal.
This is as good as content can get. Bravo Pat
”Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea(“Fitra”)that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/”Emergent property”/”law of nature”. Consciousness can only stem from Necessary Consciousness (Allah-one/indivisible/loving/self-sufficient Perfection)”
If tolerance is a virtue, intolerance is also a virtue. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
That's like saying crime is bad, so not committing crime is bad.
Damn you ppl are stupid to the bone.
Wait for sometime before some christians to come on and say no jesus said love all hate none 😂
While getting bullied by LGBTQ terrorists .
that is the stupidest thing i have heard. "if not murdering is a virtue then murdering is a virtue"
@@JohnSmith-gh3kp Your response is not only the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard it’s a deranged answer to what I said. You clearly don’t understand much. It is through intolerance that we get murderers off the street. By NOT TOLERATING that sort of behavior, we increase safety in society. The Virtue of Intolerance is why you even suggest that murdering is not a virtue.
yes but a blanket statement like that is retarded because you can use it to justify basically anything. @@AZ-697
For those seeking to understand the Bible verses quoted, I suggest reading Dennis Prager’s book “The Rational Bible: Deuteronomy”
I was saying that for years. Too tolerant toward people who are intolerant.
They interrupt because they are uncomfortable.
They are uncomfortable because they disagree.
@@bobjohnson1633 That wasn’t it. He wasn’t allowing him to finish making his point but was quick to shut him up. That’s not a strength but a weakness
@@theonly6359 He shut him only when he makes false claims. He get irritated because they don't let them runaway with that.
Next time pay attention.
I'm a Muslim but I don't agree with the interruptions from our side. 🤍
Saying something confidently does not make one’s claims to be true. I know the leftists and muslims have mastered this.
Thank you brother Patrick for trying to build the bridges for humanity. You have kept your own religion aside and really moderated fairly which shows your honesty and respect to both Christianity as well as Islam. I commend you for this and pray for your protection, health and prosperity.
Great work!
This podcast was about BUILDING BRIDGES and the muslim dawahgandists just want to k🕋I🕋l🕋l their apostates and blasphemers, and then want to force Christians to k🕋I🕋l🕋l the Christians apostates. This is what you get when you want muslims to build bridges. The only bridges that Isl🕋m builds, is built with the dead bodies of apostates Jews Christians and the kuffar, over a river of the blood of the very people that m 🕋u 🕋s 🕋l 🕋i 🕋m 🕋s k🕋I🕋l🕋l. Welcome to Dawah Bridge building 1.01.♥️🙏👍🤗✝️♥️
Real Islam is out there not at a round table discussion
May the Lord bless all five of you for this conversation.
WHICH ONE?!
Dr. Robert Spencer does not leave any wiggle room for his arguments against the enemies of good.
I think, we both christians and muslims knw the diff we have in our beliefs.. we can argue till the cow comes home.. i think we have a bigger problem and should work together as being the two biggest religions in the world and put our diff aside and have a stand. We are the last defence for our children's future
why would i follow a religon that has said they would destroy all jews if they wanted. Why would i back a religon who has caused terrorism in modern times. why would i back a religon who was the forfront that destroyed my state of ny. i will NEVER bow to Islam or any of its beliefs.
The Indian cow
Damn! Jake you have always had my respect, now my respect grew even more.
Jake came prepared.
As an orthodox Christian we have stayed true with Jesus teachings over the past 2000years
Jesus' teachings were lost after the third century in favor of Paul's teachings.
@@nunya54Paul was an Apostle, commissioned by Christ.
Paul being commissioned by Christ is a claim Paul made that has not been substantiated. As far as is established about Paul, is he was not trustworthy@@adaml7349
Jewish academics established he lied about rabbinical training to exude an air of authority about himself so he could continue teaching his peculiar teaching of Jesus as if it was Jewish teachings but they were not at all. He was also considered an apostate of the law and a heretic.
Sorry, no trinity in the old testament, orthodox break 1st commandment.
Is That Why Your Priests Have 100K G-Wagons?
How courageous of PBD, and a true sign that freedom of speech is still alive and well on this side of the ocean, to host two guests that would outright admit that they would be obligated to kill the three Christians in this room if America operated under Sharia law. My, my, my, I can only imagine the emotional angst felt by Rachid, and those who are still living under such conditions, who fled this kind of hatred and oppression.
15:26 ‘We Have an evolving understanding’ aka…..change that shit before we get into trouble
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I feel sorry for these two guys (converts to Islam) may God bless them and bring them back to the light
😂😂😂😂 I feel sorry for you believe jesus is Christian😂😂😂 he never claims
Only jake is a convert
So many years they live dark and dont want back them in dark.
u saying the Muslims lived in the light?@@lalnunkimaralte6558
@@zainabhussein8142 sorry for you muslims worshipping a paedophile who practices polygamy 😂
Please bring on Mufti Menk. These podcasts are fascinating
Christian smoked him at 18:52. Muslim knew it.
Coping at it's best
Robert Spencer in this debate seems to be implying that the most distinguished principle of Christianity is NOT having any firm principles
Lying with emotions is the best tactics psychologically
It's called not being a totalitarian. Islam thinks it has answers to everything and anything. Christianity is more humble.
@@markkuuss Being humble suits for us humans. If Christianity claims to be the religion of God and the Bible as the word of God, the last thing that it is supposed to be is humble.
@@markkuuss
Sorry to say this, but you are implying that your God is incompetent.
Not All-knowing, not All-powerful etc.
@@blindspot9097where in his fucking statement does he imply that God is not all-knowing or powerful? He just states that Christianity is about being more humble and not totalitarian.
Fantastic video. Love how you brought them all on top of this conversation. It was needed.
These Muslim/Islam men are asking questions as attack but the moment Christian believers give an answer and explain their answers to make it easier to understand, the Islam believers keep on interrupting. It just shows that they asked questions but not really want to know the answer.
Everyone should watch the whole podcast episode. Way better than just this short clip. The Muslim brother argued apostates should be murdered. Shocking.
The US Christian cheered on as the US bombed Iraq and Afghan for 20 years straight and killed millions because they were Muslims that believed different.
Unless you want to take the bullshit weapons of mass destruction stance lmao.
"The more moral a society, the more freedom that society receives." -- Mark Passio
Passio is fuckin great.
That's totally false
This is literally the opposite of the truth. Unimpeded freedom leads to immorality. Moral societies create elaborate systems of rules to restrict behavior in a reasonable manner.
@@renoirrandy7241how is it not? The only way in which that statement proves false is if you conflate freedom with license to do whatever you want including evil to others. Freedom is not the same as licentiousness because licentiousness is nothing but slavery to the passions and base impulses of human nature. True freedom and having an optimal life require self-restraint and personal virtue.
@@Tyler_W take the US for exam, how moral would you say is that society. In my opinion it's one of the least moral places despite their freedoms. Women expose their bodies, sell themselves online, the porn industry, men pretending to be women, women pretending to be men, the most drugged up country on earth. I can keep going, doesn't seem very moral to me
Very strong debate! Well done Pat! Good to see these types of discussions..
I have always had a problem with"turning the other cheek".if u turn the left side forward that is a fighting stance.Christians should fight if attacked.
Daniel is always making his argument by saying all religions have violence or rape etc… which is not the case. No one asks him to reference what other religions is he talking about? This is a common answer he gives on many questions he gets stuck with on islam
Wow what a contentious topic. Thanks for having this necessary dialogue. Looking forward to More of these talks same topic with different more mature guests. Awesome.
Jesus said, "I will not judge those who hear me but don’t obey me, for I have come to save the world and not to judge it. But all who reject me and my message will be judged on the day of judgment by the truth I have spoken."
Christians, likewise, are not to judge, but are to share the good news of forgiveness in Christ and reconciliation with God through Him. But when this time of mercy from God ends, His judgment will come, this earth will become a part of His kingdom, and all who rejected Him will be cast out.
Not judge? Christians are commanded by God to judge those things that do not belong in the Body of Christ
In the old testament the books where way different: god is feared becasue when unleashed it's wrath upon Sodoma and Gomorra for example, he destroyed it without any mercy. And we should stop to believe the new testament which was hardly edited because someone decided it was too harsh.
if you love me you will obey my commandments
@@gracelatour3441exactly "don't judge according to appearance but judge with righteous judgement "
@@gracelatour3441 Christians don't have an earthly government like ancient Israel or like Islam, so we don't judge and punish people for wrongdoing. Jesus will judge us all when he returns.
Were not tolerant we love, there is a difference. The problem is our enemies take our love for weakness, which is a grave mistake.
“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
Matthew 5:11-12
Pls have more debates like this …. Ppl will definitely benefit
Great conversations....Pat is doing very good job. Keep it up!
To be quite fair and honest, the side of Islam doesn't have much of an argument because most of the "immoral" things they are citing are found in the Old Testament. The same way they blinded follow the law of Allah, we will blindly follow God and his instruction to us that we shall not live by the Old Testament.
Absolutely agree. Much too tolerant.
It would be great if they would let the Christians talk without being interrupt ever second.
They weren’t answering the questions and were dishonest. Christians got dog walked in this debate. Specially the ex muslim
@@wassaaa710 no they were not, and they were answering the questions.. ofc, if you wanted to hear the answer
@@wassaaa710😂😂 wake up ffs
@@kokica007 lmao, look at the comments. U christians can’t win arguments because ur religion is the one flawed. Hard to defend
"You do not do evil to those who do evil to you,but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness."
- Prophet Muhammad{pbuh} (Hadith Sahih Bukhari)
Jesus came up with that concept.
Mind Begs the Question:
If all Messengers of Allah/Creator
Preached common message/concept
The message/concept from Allah/Creator,no?
@jenniferwhite1516, remember the source of the concept is ALLAH
ولكن لا نتسامح مع من يريد تحرف ديني أو ينشر الفساد
@@jenniferwhite1516god taught these concepts to mankind through the prophets yes so obv similarities because its a remnant of the original message .
The true issue is a bunch of 21st century thinkers are applying modern morality onto Bronze Age and early Iron Age philosophies and realities.
I do not believe to mix a believe with an ideology. Forced = you can not leave.
beliefs are ideology..
It’s time we become more intolerant Christian brothers and take our divine place
Amen.
Explain that. More intolerant in what way? And what do you mean by divine place.
If we become intolerant the world population will reduce drastically.
it's possible, just look at butt lite and dylan mulvaney fiasco
We need to become intolerant against evil and injustice. Regardless of the shape it takes.
"Love your neighbor as you love yourself."
At the end of the day THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS THE GOLDEN RULE, no matter who you are.
It's not about organized religion, it's about each individual being, people in the world, that never even had access to any religion books.
THE GOLDEN RULE!!!
It's a personal and internal relationship between the individual and his Maker.
Nah we should follow somebody who speaks confidently about religious scripture
@@sssreggiN well, that's your opinion
@@SMILES896 i was kidding sarcastic
@@sssreggiN Lol, all good
@@SMILES896 kiss you 💋
They have points problem is being emotional, indifference doesn't mean that person is automatically your enemy