Torture And Abuse Inside The World's Most Notorious Jail | Extraordinary Lives |
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- Ruhal Ahmed was detained without trial by the US government in the Guantanamo Bay detention camp. He told us about the abuse and torture he experienced, and how he was eventually flown back to the UK in 2004 and released the next day without charges.
This is an episode of Extraordinary Lives, where we speak to people with a unique life story to tell. From a North Korea escapee to an undercover cop, a Cold War spy to a shipwreck survivor.
Hosted by LADbible's Ben-Powell Jones, this series is a window into remarkable experiences - with stories that paint a picture of extraordinary lives.
Thanks to Ruhal for taking part!
00:00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:06:20 - Trip to Pakistan and being lured into Afghanistan
00:04:29:10 - Trapped in Afghanistan
00:10:02:06 - Getting bombed
00:15:14:07 - The hope to get to Kandahar
00:17:23:23 - The prison in Mazar-i-Sharif
00:21:13:10 - Being handed to Americans
00:34:35:02 - The transfer to Guantanamo Bay
00:42:10:13 - Inside Guantanamo Bay: torture and abuse
00:48:59:07 - The confession
00:55:14:21 - After the confession: going back to the UK
01:00:44:22 - The Court cases
01:03:22:09 - Conclusion: the present and the future.
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I wouldn't fault this man if he hated the US because of this ordeal but good on him for being able to live his life and raise a family.
Fully agree
Well the US soldiers that released him might feel the same 🤭
The wife part lost me at the end. During the interview he said he was single no attachments etc but when he was liberated he chose to make his first phone call to the wife - what wife? He also had a sollicitor? When did he have time to find a wife and a sollicitor and get married before ending up in that room? I'm sorry he was treated the way he was and there's a fair chance he may have been innocent but some things just don't add up, probably because he left out a lot of details and the interviewer failed to ask more specific questions.
It sounds to me like he just is no longer married, but yeah interviewer did not do a good job with that one.
He said he married his wife 20 days after he was released, and that she was here.... Meaning in the studio with them.
He also said he went to Pakistan for his friends wedding, then at the end when he got back to England describes how his dad was crying but angry at the same time “why did you go this and that”
Incredible interview and a remarkable individual.
“Oh no I was trying to go to a wedding in Pakistan but ended up in northern Afghanistan joining up with the taliban, how did that happen” 😂 hard to imagine why the military didn’t believe his story.
My bet would be that he was a dumb teenager fantasizing the taliban, decided to join them not knowing what he was getting himself into.
Yep ...he's full of it 😂
I do think he went to Afghanistan to fight.. I struggle to comprehend how 4 lads can get themselves caught up in such a state without their families intervening. As someone who comes from a south Asian background your family are very much a big part of most events in your life, esp travelling at a young age to that part of the world post 9/11. However he was proven innocent and illegally detained by the US. That fact won’t change despite his initial intentions for his travels
Of course he did
Totally agree. He gave a very cagey excuse of “we were going the wrong direction because we were being used to finance travel”. I can’t imagine the fighters begrudging travel logistics to anyone willing to fight for them, it’s peanuts to them. This man is clearly very naive, he openly admitted he had never heard of Cuba before or even had an understanding of where South America is, he also didn’t understand some of the words and terminology the interviewer was mentioning. He was clearly naive enough to think that going to explore the option of fighting for his religion was a good idea at the time. He seems close minded too, he kept mentioning they had no tissues or showers etc without realising this is a careful tactic as it’s in Muslim’s culture and beliefs that you should be thoroughly clean before eating etc and that you should douse with water after using the toilet hence they have lotas (the jugs in bathrooms). Some viewers might not understand this so would be confused why he was more pissed off that he had to use a toilet without tissue than he was about being physically tortured or underfed. He could have explained why this was during the podcast. Personally, I don’t think he’s spent much time with westernised people, only other muslims, or he would understand this difference in culture and the importance of highlighting it to listeners. For a man who doesn’t grasp the basics of other cultures or has many brain cells to rub together, it’s wild that he travelled to Afghanistan on whatever adventure he was on. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
I’ve got to tap the interviewer on the back though, the story clearly didn’t wash with him, you could tell by his reactions that he didn’t believe the man yet he still showed empathy. Whatever anyone does, illegally, human rights should be followed. So I too felt empathy in some parts.
I have been to Afghanistan with my father and sister with an ambassador. Guess we were terrorists
This guy is such a liar!! He went to fight and got caught!!!! Now wants to cry. What would his side have done if they caught an American! This guy is a trash human!!
So many assumptions with 0 understanding of what ground realities actually were at the time.
4:21 So you chose to go to from Pakistan to Afghanistan with supporters of the Taliban after you knew a war was popping off between Afghanistan and the US? Earlier you said you weren't, "paying attention to 9/11." You then paid for the cab that transported these fighters which according to you excluded you to Kabul and didn't know it was going to Kabul? Do you understand how that doesn't add up? Not excusing what America did but do you get how that explanation sounds like a made up story?
The war started after they went to afghanistan lol. so why would they be going to afghanistan to fight? thats why you're a youtube deactivate buddy
@ 3:50 to 4:18 He clearly states that there were rallies in Pakistan (where he was at that time) to support the Afghan people because "the war has kicked off." Then 5:07 to :5:20 as they get into Afghanistan from Pakistan he says he hears explosions and he said, "What's going on." and they said, "There is a war." He said, "Yeah I know there is a war." He 100% knew what he was doing. Go back and listen again.
@@nathanmcgowan659 war has kicked off I.E between Northern Alliance and Taliban, America was bombing from the sky and killing civilians, hence him and his pals went over to help with humanitarian work, it is well documented, don’t speak on this matter when even the UK and US gov have exonerated them and acknowledged that the Tipton 3 were victims of miscarriage of justice.
@@nathanmcgowan659 I'm a Pakistani living in Pakistan and before 9-11 many common Pakistanis could easily get into Afghanistan because the Pakistani military had allowed it. that was actually backed by America but the our military gave reason to Pakistani people that Afghanis are our brothers, they were encouraging common to go and do serve in Afghanistan and many common people did. they helped taliban along with Americans.
It just shows it doesn't matter how we portray other cultures and people etc, as a species, we're awful. We talk about how bad other cultures are but in reality we are all as bad as each other.
There are bad people in every country/culture, but the fact is that some cultures are worse than others, and some cultures do horrific things that are illegal in America
Yeah but America brutally blows people up and treats them like dogs. How are they any worse than a taliban fighter??
@@silvers_ink Like mistreating POW??? Rgr
Mr. Ahmed's story was indeed extraordinary and humbling. I think that tells by how strong of a reaction he has gained with the audience. His tone and body language and story holds a mirror up to our society and makes us uncomfortable, as it should. I hope we hear more from Mr. Ahmed, we won't get access these kind of experiences very often. Wishing him continued strength and healing.
Great narration of his own story and made more compelling by his Midlands accent 💯😎👍🏾
Whether this man’s story about how he got to Afghanistan is real or not is not the point. America illegally detaining him and putting him in Guantanamo for 2 years without charging him and instead illegally torturing him is the real story here. Guantanamo if illegal and against human rights. Most of those kept there were not even charged.
Ya the main point is after the patriot act they could literally do this to ANYONE…For as long as they want…
That sound's seriously scary he was so lucky he never got on that truck and his friends jumping off too was a blessing!!! but all those innocent people that perished was so sad 😔 I couldn't even imagine being a p. o. w.
He keeps saying " if I remember" - dude, they made a movie about this!. I feel bad for the guy, but I don't think he is or was honest about so many things when this happened. I watched the movie maybe 10 times back in the day, and thought his story was bs to a large extent. He remembers every single thing and where he was, and why. Made a huge mistake, but clearly being deceptive.
I am Muslim and have the full truth being told here. May Allah maalf me if my instict is wrong. I do not hear these kids calling their parents on day one, so that they can be rescued. I hear being free to roam, so as a 17 year old, the first thing is to call my parents! Also, they said they slept into the mosque as they did not have much money and now there is payment money for transport deep into this country.
Good point about the money
He also said everything is cheap in Afghanistan! Your instinct is wrong brother. Have some respect
Exactly why not call his parents…
@@unhingeduncensored586 From what phone?
@@catasrophieGrrl bro this wasn’t the 1950’s this was 2000’s where cell phones were everywhere…
Yeah this is one I’m not sure about. You don’t go to Afghanistan the month after 9/11 no matter who you are or if your Muslim. Worst idea ever.
Ruhal is being economical with the truth about how it all began. The title should read "Young man intentionally joined the Taliban in support of 9/11, but was captured and mistreated in Guantanamo Bay"
exactly
A month after Sept 11 and he's wondering why he was apprehended
So i read a book called “The Exile” which was first hand accounts and stories from Taliban and Al Quaida relatives and everything this guy is saying is true except for the fact that he went their to help the Taliban fight the US , he was not swindled , there was no wedding, he knowingly went to fight. Also notice how through out his story at no point did he ever mention trying to call his parents. Any 17 year old that goes on any type of vacation, holiday, or just trips is always in constant communication with their parents. The first thing any 17 year old would have done had they been “Swindled” would have been to call THEIR PARENTS!! This dude is a liar and deserves what happend to him.
"I read a book", and you know everything. Did the book cover this very man?? May I strongly suggest you alter your alias to "unhingeduncensoredunitelligent586", more accurate so. Rgr
I disagree. Nobody, no matter what they have done, or are suspected of doing deserves to be treated this way.
@@Vennesla88bahahahaha hilarious 😂
Also wife thing. He was single and after release calls wife if I'm not mistaken.
@@sphericity7331 So if you´re mistaken, you´re spreading lies, you know that?? Rgr
You go to a wedding - then get recruited into a 3rd world Warzone - as you do.
As one does
After they get to Pakistan they traveled around, zero mention of the ‘wedding’…I firmly believe his story fell apart right there.
This guy is lying through his teeth.
You don’t go to a wedding in one country and end up on the front lines with the taliban in another…by mistake.
hmm i agree the marriage was fabricated, i smell wat do they call it........ errrr bullshit
How do you not only end up in Afghanistan roght after 9/11, but then end up further into one of the hottest terrorist areas without realizing they arent taking you back to packistan lmfao dude was gunho til he wasnt
This story has a lot of controversy. To be honest I don’t feel enough was explored about why he went Afghanistan. He was in trouble in the Uk then diverted from a bucks so easily to the Afghan conflict. To be honest as awful as the treatment was I feel like it was actually an amazing turning point for his life, which has given him a new path. No one should go through torture in anyway. I am glad that he can have a fresh start with his family and I hope that his empathy for those who have taken a different path does not deflect him from living a positive life for him and his family
Imagine the events that transpired to accidentally join the Taliban, I hope I get to my brothers wedding ok, you know how easy it to get the wrong taxi and end up fighting in a war 🤦🏻♂️!. I think it’s also impossible to truly understand how little these guys actually knew about anything and how they accepted everything and sleepwalked (unwittingly) all the way to prison!. From a wedding in Pakistan to a training camp in Afghanistan.. could be the basis for “The Hangover 4” unbelievable 😅… truly!.
It depends. If one is culturally from those sides. It ain't that insane. Borders don't mean that much. what you allege may well be true(i too think so)
They were released without charge and won cases against the British and US govt but no British Mick knows there’s something else up 😂
Stupid Leftie Interviewer (University educated) sitting their lapping it up, no wonder this country is fkd
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
Exactly. I think you were travelling to go fight for the Taliban
Thank you Ladbible for interviewing one of the Tipton 3, I’ve watched the Road to Guantanamo film many years ago, very interesting film which tells the story about the Tipton 3
IF THEY WERE REALLY THAT WORRIED WHY NOT CALL THERE PARENTS BACK IN THE UK?
He gave alot af details about his shitting habits during this interview but forgot to mention big details like the home office talking to him on several occasions
Did he miss the wedding then 🥲
Yeah cause he wasn’t there for a wedding!!
I don’t agree with him saying “rightly so” about guys becoming terrorists after leaving jail, two wrongs doesn’t make a right?
@@kienhollis7468 it literally doesn’t matter what he’s been through in his life, it’s not acceptable to say he justifies terrorism. If him being tortured was so horrific, why would he wish that on others.
@@rachelw345 Okay Karen, sorry, I mean Rachel. Perhaps keep your staunch judgements to yourself. When you're tortured like this guy was and remain a goody-goody, maybe then I'll be all ears to your opinion about how A doesn't justify B, because in primary school we were all taught two wrongs don't make a right.
PS. This is from a non-mslm, non-chrstn outside observer.
Can't say I belive his story around Afghanistan but a interesting conversation non the less
You don't want it to be true!
Exactly what makes you not believe him
No matter what Nobody deserves that kind of inhuman and savage treatments that wild Americans prison officers did to prisoners.
And it´s also illegal. Rgr
Rubber dingy rapids bro
Did he say he got married 20 days after his return to the U.K.? He should have been in the hospital, getting treated. And when he is talking about how his life is so busy he says 'This wife needs that, this wife needs that' with a weird smile which I think he means he has two wives which I found very weird. There are so many things does not add up. I am no expert but if someone was not allowed to walk over 2 years, I am sure it would take them months to walk properly again.
@bey_86 exactly 💯 some of the muscle 💪🏽 would have been wasted away 4SURE
That doesn't make any sense.
If my name was John smith 🤣
Right the part where he goes to Afghan is very murky.
He says he visited Bangladesh but then refers to rallies in Pakistan to help the Afghan people... "We were talked into going" there was hundreds there was busses!!!
Right this is where it doesn't add up.
So he was RECRUITED in Pakistan so the reason for travel to Bangladesh wasn't for a visit at all.
I get why he says this story as they have had a significant payoff.
But it's obvious why these young lads went to Pakistan and it wasn't a wedding the timing is just too convenient
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
No there was when they were released they went back for the wedding which was supposed to happen so there gose that theory
I watched it from start to finish, not once did he mention he visited Bangladesh prior to Afghanistan, it was Pakistan, then they ended up going to Afghan to do charity work in October when America was bombing the shit out of afghans, many aid orgs were in the ground, the Tipton 3 wanted to play their part but little did they know Northern Alliance and America are already on the ground and taking everyone prisoner regardless if you’re innocent.
I''m 20 mins in and I don't believe this guy. I feel like Ben is skeptical as well. Why would you go travelling in these countries all of a sudden as a young Muslim man when 9/11 has just happened? I did not believe him for a second
Of course you don’t as you are a racist
He also said he went to Pakistan for his friends wedding, then at the end when he got back to England describes how his dad was crying but angry at the same time “why did you go this and that”
i think him and his mates could have gone to fight for Afghanistan, they got sold to the Americans
What’s concerning is he said he signed/admitted that he’s was a terrorist to the Americans.
he was then taken straight to the uk and interviewed in the police station, he went no comment and was released immediately 😮 I don’t think he was or is a danger to the uk but he easily could of been 🤔
I’m surprised your editors didn’t catch the blatant holes in his story. Guantanamo is an ugly blight on Americas history, but this man certainly wasn’t as innocent as he wants you to believe either..
It doesn´t matter. ANY mistreatment of POW is ILLEGAL. ILLEGAL. Rgr
Man, idk. Not saying this guy is innocent or guilty, or that he deserved to go to Guantanamo. Just saying he is omitting something significant, and the interviewer knows it too. Maybe he is telling the truth but ending up in Afghanistan as a naive “oopsie” a month after 911 is a tough sell.
If there was a tiny spec on this guy he would have been charged. And to get a multi million payout from the UK government, again he wouldn’t have received a penny.
@@loolafly7967no, that just means he couldnt be charged with anything in the UK, not that he is innocent.
It might of been wrong place wrong time.
It might be something else.
@@BlutoandCo The payout made me think they basically f-up. Could you imagine the government handing out millions for someone who was involved in terrorism ?
Navigating the legal system vs what actually occurred is a very different story. It cannot be relied upon as the ultimate source of truth.
So we are stuck having to make our own conclusions - if he cared he probably wouldn’t have put himself on a public platform that runs on feedback.
@@loolafly7967 understood. I know much more about this case now.
At 2.30+-into the video he says 9/11. Dont pay attention back home......... Said no one ever!!!!!
Ruhal thank you for talking about your life , your experiences , thank you :)
You didn’t understand or know about 9/11 American or not it a relatively significant event
i watched this documentary style movie on this, called “the road to quatanmo bay”.
I’m a Muslim, but if I’m honest I’m not sure this brother is telling the whole truth, only him and Allah know the truth
Why do you discredit him, countless people have experienced the same thing and where innocent wrong place wrong time, and what does being Muslim have to do with anything
Actually only he knows as Allah is questionable
@@Wavelover33 not to me
There are multiple documentaries about this same treatment from those controlling Guantanamo Bay. Muslim has nothing to do with believing him, yes God knows.
Yeah was thinking the exact same, his background story just doesnt seem right!
Just wondering, why didnt they make an attempt to call their parents back in the UK ??? Thats the first thing i would’ve done??
he was "pressured to go to afghanistan and "help with aid" which is a broad way of not acknowledging his fault in the situation.
He was 17 years old come on.
@davidlinehat4657 It's actually called:- "PEER PRESSURE" !!!!!!
Imagine a hangover movie based on this
Short version I went to fight shit my pants and tried to go home and they said no
This story sounds dodgy. From a wedding guest to someone who buys shovel to burry dead bodies.
Post capture is kind of believable… but the rest? Come on, give me break! Bill and ted’s bogus journey into afganistan. Had to watch it with my nose pinched to avoid the stench of BS. It’s clear the interviewer is not buying it either 😊
The interviewer is sitting there asking no question or believing this shit.
There are multiple documentaries about this same treatment at Guantanamo Bay.
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
@@hecter3008 so why did the British govt payout a huge compensation if he's lying and and guilty ?
@Broskisnowski so? That literally doesn’t make his story any more literally truthful, literally.
Six days without water would normally kill an average person.
Three days would under normal conditions. You couldn't survive even that much in arid conditions.
Bless you my brother 💙
Has others have a said there appears to be many inconsistencies here.
1. The call to his wife (this could have just meant his now wife)
2. The no comment interview would of had to have been advised by a solicitor. Even if he wanted to scream from the rooftops his innocence it may have been the best thing for him to do a no comment legally.
3. 9/11 was the biggest news in the world at that time. I was also 20 years old and I remember protests in Pakistan on TV and burning of the US flag etc. No way he didnt know much about it.
4. The time to confess. I am not doubting the torture he went through as he was specific on this. However he is extremely tough if it took 1 and a half years for him to confess. I would think most people would crack after the first round of torture.
5. He mentions the americans telling him he was at a rally with Muhammad Atta in 2011. Muhammad Atta was a terrorist who was killed in the 9/11 operation so the date is wrong. It would have had to have been before he died.
6. If he had community service and they dont know if its 1st of august of the 8th of Jan. 150 hours at 8 hours a week means he would of finished his community service between these dates. as would of been done in 5 months tops.
7. He says most people were innocent there. Maybe that was what they were claiming but a detainee eventually gave up a courier who eventually led them to Bin Laden so it did accomplish something in the end.
But was a interesting story. Ultimately he was naive and i dont think he will ever be returning to Afghanistan.
General Dostum was a mean SOB. Warlord really. I am skipping Afghanistan for my vacations.....still a very rough place
Humans are the only beings capable of doing such things to each other.
Wait… How was the first phone call you made to your wife? I thought you were captured at 17 and then held for a few years. So when did you get married? You just blew the whole interview with that statement. Any credibility you had is gone in my opinion.
He probably meant to say his "now wife".
Wow you are so right. I don’t know about all this.
Ya ya ya even if it’s a lie it’s still not right that US government could do this to anybody since the patriot act.
As an a american, I apologize on the behalf of those that won't, that anyone was treated such ways. I understand desperate times call for desperate measures but the inhumane treatment towards others, no matter the circumstance, is uncalled for. Our prisons on the homeland treat people better. This is close to treatment of those during the holocaust minus the chambers. I love this country but we have ALOT of reflection to do. Domestic and foreign
This is not about America. There are bad people in every country. You can't blame America for what some have done. And who's to say that this guy is telling the whole truth??! Maybe he was caught doing something really awful?? There's more than just his side of the story.
@nicole_silvers You're not wrong at all but when there are numerous accounts and photos of things like this happening, that's when the thinking begins. War brings the worst out of every person regardless of who or what type of person you are. But it doesn't have to be that way. Like I said, no matter the circumstance, it's uncalled for.
@@jip4709 I haven't seen any proof that what this guy is saying is true. I'm not saying he's lying, I'm just saying that there's no way to know if he's telling the truth or not. And I don't think apologizing on the behalf of all of America is the way to go about this. All you're doing is accepting responsibility for the actions of what some soldiers may have done, and that just breeds hatred towards America for no reason. Most Americans would not condone what this man claims happened, but when you apologize on America's behalf, it gives a totally wrong impression. We already have too many people hating America based on lies
@nicole_silvers Well take this guy out of the equation and look up other cases. I'm not blaming America as a whole. We still have standards to uphold. The rest of the world doesn't like us so much but still looks to us and things like that aren't a good look. So I'm still gonna apologize on the behalf of those that have done atrocities and that we will never hear from. Not for America as a whole.
Hmmm. I get the impression, he liked the idea of being a freedom fighter for the gang that defeated the Soviet Union. Not sure it makes him a “terrorist” - he was probably just young and nieve.
I can only imagine the horror of his 2.5 years in captivity. I was kidnapped and spent only two weeks in hell, I cannot imagine 2.5 years. Best of luck to him....
i hope you’re doing well and healing. wish you the best!!
Never heard anyone bring uo that they were KIDNAPPED in such a nonchalant fashion before...not to make light of whst happened at all...was just strange to hear that someone was abducted with a throw-away line mid comment.
Metal music on for 24hrs sounds like a normal week
Not for a Muslim+ they told me it's so loud you can't even sleep
Who would want to listen to that garbage for 2 mins, let alone that long 💀
For real, I would make requests for certain songs and bands just to mess with them…and sleep like a baby
@@Ab-cj6glHazeen is an ALL Islamic Death Metal Band. What do you mean? Music genres don’t see religion…race, color, or creed.
@@LeeBlegen dude music is haram in islam
Was he single or had a wife? Or did he get married whilst he was detained? Some detauls of his story is all over the place (he said tge first person he called was gis wife?)
I think he meant to say "his now wife". She was probably a friend or a gf
21:47
The goverment didn't take you back. Because they new you was there to fight. They would of checked everything. There history there families... The supposed "wedding" everything
I agree, but why was he able to get such a huge settlement?
I don’t believe any of this story about getting ‘lost’ in Afghan
Just watching and reading comments at same time. So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
Nor did I initially to be honest, but given his settlement with the UK government and the fact that US did not charge him with terrorism offences it seems like he's telling the truth
15 mins in, and I don't believe his story of why he was there.
Cause he's brown?
@@justclips14484 minutes in for me.
When he's talking about the toilet situation you can tell he has animosity toward America he has to have been Taliban
100%
Idiots logic
He hardly knew about 9/11 because he was only 17?? I was 8 and remember it vividly 😅
And I was 11 but I can't remember nothing cos u don't choose wot u remember and wot u don't u fool
I guess if you’re a non-American on holiday in a non-American country it doesn’t seem much more significant than hearing about a landslide or a hurricane in any other country you’ve never been to
Yup I'm pretty sure most of the world knew about 9/11. I was same about 8 and I can remember it like it was yesterday
What a horrible experience.
To have them living in England, i know, bad isn't it?
Even the worst Super-Max Prison in the USA couldn't get away with treating their prisoners like that, no matter what they were there for, even mass murder or serial rape. I am shocked that there are Americans working there that have the capacity for treating people so horrendously.
The military screens for psychopathy and appoints them to particular positions. It's an old tactic. Only certain individuals are capable of extreme inhumane treatment for extended periods of time with no psychological impact.
Look up the Stanford prison experiment
Would you like them wandering around or, better still, residing in your home?
I haven’t watched this interview yet and I don’t think the J6 defendants have been mistreated as I imagine this guy was but they have crossed the line into criminality with the way some J6 defendants have been mistreated in custody.
Exactly what is he talking prison in america do treat ppl like that@@LS-fe4ob
How does one go to Pakistan for a wedding and end up in Afghan. This is a very suspicious story. Mr Ahmed's story has some contradictory elements.
Why do I find it hard to believe a word that comes out his mouth? I hope I`m wrong.
You’re absolutely wrong. It is well known documented and papers where released.
Sounds like a particular bias you might have there my man.
@@Daniel-tr7qy and what would that be? "my man"
@@batteryincorporated good to know, thanks 👍
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
This poor guy couldn't eat his PB&J sandwiches cause his nice warm mittens as he is listening to music...dude was living better than me! I'm totally kidding...good video dude
Such an amazing story. As an American, let me offer my sincere apology and recompense. We are a severely flawed country who believes that we are the all-knowing superpower, yet history has shown the world that we are a feral scared lost nation. I am disgusted by the actions of our military and the Guantanamo complex.
America is a lost nation.
Not at all. This guys story is mostly BS
We do not know what is true or not about this guy's story.
@@kn9300If he's a liar the government wouldnt have paid him to not go to court. American government is corrupt money hungry corporation who has murdered hundres of thousands in the middle east to further reach the extent of Nato for political and financial gain. Its world reknown at this point
But we know of the crimes nazi America committed
His story is sus AF. He's not as innocent as he makes it
maybe u r brainwashed bcz everyone experienced the same. its not sus. its a fact that u dont want to accept. its sad how brainwashed you r and see these people as animals not human. Go learn some humanity and stop watching fox news!!
there are multiple documentaries and even proven by us themselves that almost most of the prisoners were innocent and held without any trial etc. tortured like unalive beings. THis is reality. And you cannot change how barbaric those agencies are.
How this situation begun isn’t even remotely believable
So lots of people don't believe he ended up in Afghanistan by accident. A 17 year old kid, on an adventure trip to Pakistan to a friend's wedding with 3 other teenage boys. First time travelling on their own, testosterone high, tasting complete freedom for the first time, making stupid rash decisions, who end up in Afghanistan. How many teenagers go to university and go crazy partying, boozing, experimenting with drugs, sex etc? Making stupid decisions and getting in trouble?
Even if he's not telling 100% truth, did he still deserve the horrific torture, abuse, humiliation, degradation and deprivation of freedom? It says a lot about the people commenting that they are more concerned about some porkies he might be telling rather than being outraged at the inhumane, barbaric, evil treatment by the "civilised" white torturers.
I personally can’t imagine but, I know it wouldn’t take watching the news to recognize a huge war was happening in a neighboring country. 🤔🤯
You'd just look over your neighbors fence huh
That's the question then isn't it? would you go to guantanamo bay for a million quid. No. No I dont think I would, unbelievable experience, and the fact all that mistreatment stopped as soon as he writ the false confession says a lot about "justice" in governments, and peoples of power in this world.
lol sorry, I'm finding it so hard to finish this, this dude is spinning a lot of fiction here.
I don't believe this guy, he's leaving too much out.
That’s a coping mechanism
The best part of this is it won’t get any attention from the DOD or state department. we definitely have your biometrics but if you tell your story, make sure you tell the whole thing.
At 17 I did some really stupid shit too. I get how this cud have happened, I also hear some “rubber dingy rapids” in the story. It probably falls somewhere between the two, a little of column A & a little of column B.
As an American viewing this, I only wish they could have made it worse for you. Don’t join the taliban next time... as if anyone needs to tell you that. Zero sympathy.
He didn’t join the Taliban, he went with 2 of his friends to a wedding in Pakistan and then he was captured and ended up in the worlds worst torture facilities for 2 years without trial. America is responsible for this degrading and inhumane treatment against these prisoners and not to mention innocent people in general. The US is supposed to respect and recognise human rights and ensure fair and proper treatment of citizens and prisoners alike, but if you look at the state of the country today it’s an absolute joke. The corrupt and harsh judicial system being number one on my list, as not only are so many innocent people being locked up every day but also the exceptionally harsh and lengthy jail terms for even the most minor of crimes. For example in the UK if you commit burglary then you’ll receive only a couple of years in jail, whereas in America you’ll get like 20 years possibly the rest of your life, that’s just one example. But the point remains that America is the worst country for human rights abuse, improper treatment and unlawful detention. The sooner you guys change your ways, the better.
@@planethoth1238 did you watch the video? That is extremely not what happened. The first half of the video is him explaining his time in the Taliban and why he joined
@@aetheronautsomnid5261yuu I
This guys seems amazingly full of it. He just wanders into a warzone by accident through a series of coincidences... Or he is lying.
Just winding me up listening to this guy, how naive does he think we are 😂
He doesn't know you to think you are naive
If he's a liar the government wouldnt have paid him to not go to court
Does he expect people to believe that he went to join the Taliban by accident a month after 911?
He didn't join the Taliban at all. He went to Pakistan for a wedding and the locals took advantage of them being young and clueless.
Joining a terrorist group isn't something you do by accident. An accident is driving down the wrong street or buying the wrong container of milk
@@Daniel-tr7qy hahahahahahah. Of course they did.
@@timhefty504 Right, exactly. Cause that's your reality. Going to the shop and buying milk. He tells the story so clearly yet you're so clearly bigoted you cannot hear what he is saying. You want to believe he's brown and intentionally joined a terrorist group.
@@hecter3008 Can you give me one good reason you would believe otherwise? A reason you believe he is lying?
The story leading up. Makes no sense.. The timing is off... So his mate was getting married in 2 weeks... But you was in Afghanistan for 4 weeks.. It just doesn't make sense
Hard to believe in that initial journey with 9 people up to Kabul that not one of them informed them of the current situation..
I am so sorry to both you your friends and anybody else who’s going through this like you have. Taught me that my mom was right and so is my grad can ever trust in American they come on like they’re the good guys but they’re not. Nothing in life is so black and white life is gray.
Russian troll 😂
This guys story is mostly bullshit
like just how these comments read to me sounds like people around the world forget just how bad 9/11 was
Despite the sunburn, peanut butter and jellies, and 'stage fright', this hero was still able to pull through. Nevermind the 6 weeks without water, I mean no man has done that, ever!
Hahaha
He can’t quite remember what year this significant event happened. He thinks it might have been..
You say that but I can’t remember the year my kids were born as a lot of men can’t
@@Adamrevertislam what?!
@@timhefty504 without working it out iv got no chance iv got 7 children !! He’s asking him to remember a date 20 odd years ago a lot has happened since then
@@Adamrevertislam You must be joking...
Not even comparable...this is obviously the biggest event that's happened in this guy's life...he spent 2+ years in Guantanamo stemming from the events of 9/11...you honestly want anyone to believe he is unsure and/or has to try to remember the date September 11, 2001...
No. Just No
What a series of unfortunate events!
Well that's an understatement
So he wants us to believe he went to Pakistan for a wedding and innocently ended up in a remote town of Afghanistan with a group of freedom fighters. LOL.
It happens man, I was walking to the bus stop today and somehow found myself robbing 3 banks and ending up on a boat in international waters lol
Its bad what happened to them
@@lindylayton-zt2ws You can tell he is lying about accidentally joining. Let me ask you something, if you travelled somewhere on a plane and were supposed to meet someone at an airport when you landed and that person was not there would you try to get a hold of that person or would you proceed to go 425 KM (264 Miles) away from where you landed and join a terrorist orginazation accidentally because that is what he's claiming happened, it's impossible to accidentally join ISIS, no clue how Ladbible didn't pick up on this bullshit.
It happened to many unfortunately, it sounds like you don't know much about the backstory of bounties and how the US kidnapped and tortured these folk illegally. Please do a deep dive, it's wildly fascinating.
You sound so white
I was there. Kunduz, mazari-sharif, and Imam Sahib
The story is not very clearly 🤔told
I do feel a lot has happened to him.
Bro said he didn't know about the 911 news because he was 17.
He’s a brown chav - He don’t look the the type of 17yr old that cares to watch white blokes on telly - talking about the news.
I'm not a racist person. And I think being tortured is wrong. But I don't believe half of this guys story. Because during the interview he said he had no wife, no children. Then says the first phone call he made was to his wife??? ect 🤔
Is he not describing the movie “the road to Guantanamo” lol very familiar
Yeah bro hes one of the tipton three
Incredible strength
This is mad. Bro you grew up where I grew up. I hope to god you didn’t go there for terrorism, if you didn’t then I feel so bad for you my guy ❤
I think he did, but at 17 you do silly stuff
@@theshed3641ya remember that time I was a silly lad and joined a terrorist organisation lol wait no I didn’t
@@natrixxirtan you were probably a dork who did whatever you were told tho. When I was 17 crazy shit happend. Drugs, girls, violence. All the bad stuff. I’m not trying to brag or glorify that behaviour but I was young a stupid. As was this person. Not everyone is a dork like you
Anyone who travels to these places accepts the risks of doing so.
ok this guy imo joined the taliban & now for obvious reasons doesn't want to admit to it that's why the story sounds suss. Was what happened to him right? No way in hell. however he was a taliban in Afghanistan weeks after the worst terror attack in US History. I am sorry that bad part happened to him but US was right to take him off the board. He's lucky to be alive after some bad life choices.
TWODDLE!! This guy was was a militant for sure
I’m having to take this in with a grain of salt. I mean this happened a month after 9/11. Nobody really knew what exactly what was happening that quickly, but basically your country sold you out and said you were Taliban. Therefore our soldiers had to protect themselves while still taking care of y’all. I can imagine the distrust on both sides. Probably half of those soldiers lost someone they knew in 9/11. And the Afghans or Taliban, I’m a little confused on who y’all were traveling with before you were held by the Americans, told you not to say a word about who you were or where you were from. They were setting you up to be wary and scared of us while we were all wary and scared of all Muslim countries in the beginning before we really understood what had happened. Most of the soldiers were probably 18 & 19 years old also / either your age or a year older and here they are fighting this ugly war out of the blue… it’s all a recipe for disaster. I’m sorry that I cannot understand what you went through, but I just don’t have the capacity because I’ve never been in such a situation. I’ve heard of some of the atrocities committed by the Afghani women and also by the Russians and I won’t even try to to understand that because the depravity is too much for my brain to comprehend. I hope that everyone that was involved in that nightmare has taken a step back, or at least tried to, and put themselves in other peoples shoes and have empathy for them and the positions they were put into. That’s the only way that healing, forgiveness and maybe understanding can start to take place
So after all that, I’m still going to heed my mother’s very sage advice because it’s gotten me this far. “Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see”. God bless us, every single one.