You've seen Edgerunners, right? How did David's (Arasaka stolen & upgraded Mili-Tech Centaur Power-armor) Anti-grav "Cyber-Skeleton" Rig rank, as far as what you've seen in Sci-Fi? *(Obviously not against Smasher. SPOILERS)*
@@loreman2803 Smasher's cybernetic full borg body is a mix & match series of different company products assembled together, with Arisaka programming & tuning to prevent any rival corp assassinating him by product defect or zero day...
And these are the mid tier ones! Adam Smasher was rocking an Arasaka Dai Oni power armor *ON TOP* of his Samson body back in 2023, that thing was mean, massive and even worse than the Cyber Skeleton for cyberpsychosis! It took Shaitan, Silverhand, and all of Blackhand's elite strike team to slow it down, and even then it was the nuclear blast that really took it out of commission!
You can see some ACPA(As they are called in Cyberpunk) in game at the police checkpoint close to Kerry's house. Maximum Metal was by far the raddest sourcebook for CP2020.
@@benadrylcumbersplatch6448 Dai Oni from arasaka is incompatible with Samson. Considering the fact that Smasher could be transported from body to body giving him the alpha that pilots Dai Oni would be much easier and would make him more dependant on Arasaka for using his heaviest toys which is perfectly in line with Arasaka's modus operandi. Either way Vance once again oversells whatever the fuck he wants to compare with 40k. and halo.
@@ElishaFolletmight I suggest the Mob War of the early 2010s as a setting? That's full on corporate armies with boots on the ground, armored vehicles and air support fighting block by block against all the gangs outside City Center. Entire NCPD (Excluding MaxTac) disintegrates a few months into the conflict, Trauma Team are the only ones running any sort of medical service in the entire city... it would be hardcore, is what I'm trying to say...
I think he probably was in better stuff all things considered. Minus the shitload of anti-tank guns and an AI of course. But given that in his time AI was mega forbidden I doubt he'd get his hands on one either.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong That generally IS the problem of having a specialized organization trying to do the job of another specialized organization. Priests, soldiers, and businessmen could technically fulfill the job of the others but they'll eventually re-specialize or fall apart.
@@LordCrate-du8zmyou sure they individually have been all of that and also it's incredible rare space marines who survived the horus heresy in contemporary times 40k in the imperium
armour core would win depending on the universe. mobile suits have more grounded combat capabilities. but the gundam universe could just drop a colony.
@@SLAVKINGREDMobile Suits would definitely win. They all carry weapons that could one shot anything. There is also Mobile Armors which are just overkill.
@@SLAVKINGREDMobile Suits grounded 😂😂 Luminous Crystal Unicorn manipulating time, Turn A's full power, Double X, Wing Zero, nothing is grounded about the Gundam top tiers.
You should check the Elemental's powered armor from Battletech. Those things are nasty, are really fast and pack a punch but with a comparatively much simpler arrange of weapons
They definitely do! Up until looking into these, Elementals were my "most potent power armor" due to weapons that can drop mechs and armor that can tank some mech weapons. But... these are similar. Also stronger, faster, easier to pilot, and even more weapons.
@@MarcusVance I doubt that Commando PA is stronger than Clan Elemental Armor as the Clan suit has been known to peel armor off of BattleMechs with it's battleclaw. Elementals have a support Machine Gun, a heavy weapon (usually a laser that's better than the CP 20mm which is roughly equal to a standard BT Machine Gun) and two anti-armor missile launchers with 1 reload each. (That means it has the same number of weapons as the Claymore like thing is very short ranged and not anti-armor.) Also the Elemental's 2nd missile launcher is a superior weapon compared to the Cyberpunk Grenade Launcher, even if it has more ammo. Last, but not least, an Elemental can shrug off a hit from a modern 105mm Cannon, which means it has better armor than a modern tank/Commando as a 105 can punch through 8 inches of steel armor at 1000 yards (Yes, I looked it up). So, the Commando is a more flexible, but it's not beating a Clan Elemental in a fight very often. sm
@@mattwoodard2535 it should be noted that the calcs for the 'Small Laser' is... around 100MJ. To give you an idea of just how ludicrous it is, that's just over four times the energy that an M829A4/5 APFSDSDU round. At least Cyberpunk isn't dealing with OGRE battlesuits or Traveller Battledress... One is basically the *_BOOK_* version of Starship Trooper power armor designed to fight in a legit nuclear battlefield (please note that the battlesuit hauls around a recoilless rifle flinging SATNUC (take a cluster munition, now replace the HEDP warheads with shaped nuclear charges) rounds as standard), the other can tango in the same battlefield but tend to haul around *_guns that fling fusion bolts at you_* or a 4mm gauss-rifle that spits out rounds at MG42 rates of fire.
@@TheTrueAdeptAnd BT has Plasma Cannons for BA. ;) In general I think BT Battle Armor is as good as Ogre or Starship Trooper PA, but has a different philosophy for the weapons it carries. BT BA are able to operate on a nuclear battlefield with no problems, they just are not equipped with nuclear weapons despite the fact they easily could be because no one like nukes in BT. All the major (and many minor) factions could produce micro nukes, but they don't. So Ogre and SST PA are more powerful because they are much less restrained in the weapons they are allowed to carry. sm
I knew the corpos of the Cyberpunk world held all the cutting-edge stuff thanks to Adam Smasher, and his dialogue in the anime, but i had no idea it was THIS extreme.
If you think that this is the most potent power armour you've seen so far, You aught to check out Forerunner combat skins. They're *bonkers*. MJOLNIR is only considered equivalent to a class 2 combat skin. Forerunner civilians were at one point required to wear a class 8 at all times. And all soldiers were required to wear at least a class 12.
ACPA is bonkers, I own Max Metal and it has all the dirty deets on these beastly end-game weapons. The US Army Grunt unit is a Militech Design that is closer to a medium-heavy class of ACPA (vs light-medium Commando) with shoulder mounted AT missile launcher, wrist mounted MG, Jump Pack, heavier auto-cannon and a bit more (from what I remember). The Mexican Metal one was one of my favorite budget heavy ACPA on the spread.
Definitely some fun info, along with the Firestorm books. And PacRim gives some interesting details like Japan having over 5,000 ACPA in their military, and unit composition
@@MarcusVance Home of the Brave also has the stats for US Army Grunt Units too, I believe. But, yeah they do have some fantastic info spread throughout the books. I have the digital collection and a few physical ones that I really like.
Missed an opportunity to mention the Battle Armour from BattleTech, Light Gauss Rifles, Support PPCs, Recoilless Rifles and claws to rip and tear, and Jump Jets.
Oh yeah. ACPA are actually closer to minimechs. So 40K's Sentinels/AdMech Walkers and Halo's HRUNTING and HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL series might be fairer comparisons. Though there are atleast three "Hardsuits" in 2020 that are person-sized, don't have any on-board weaponry and just pack heavy protection and reaction boosters. The Pit and Hooded Viper suits, along with the ZetaTech Grasshopper.
I love it when my 40k friends keep going on and on about how their universe has the strongest squad-level weapons and that a single Space Marine can solo any other scifi universe then I just drop them one of these vids
Next time tell them about the Daleks from Doctor Who, the standard Dalek drone has: emergency Time Travel, a force field that atomizes projectiles, absorbs energy from enemy weapons to repair itself and incinerates non-time-sensitive life forms, a battle computer that download the entire internet to the largest database in the universe, disable enemy targeting systems, give the Dalek aimbot and a partial hive mind, ability to self repair, advanced anti psychic defenses, can function in constant combat for billions of years, 2,000 mile an hour flight, an extermination ray capable of obliterating entire buildings, is works in space and underwater. They also once turned the platonic concept of fear into a living creature called the Nightmare Child. And built a device known as the reality bomb that would have destroyed the entire omniverse if the doctor hadn’t stopped them.
Oh they'd hate that 100% lol. They think Dr Who is basically Sci fi for babies, I still remember them raging about that Rick and Morty vs Dr Who deathbattle.
All of the listed weapons are still conventional. Considering some of the high-tech weaponry available in the cyberpunk world, specialised units could get really scary. Stuff like smart weapons and railguns alone take them leaps and bounds beyond what humans of the two other universes are capable of. I do wonder how the firewalls of the other powerarmours would fare against a hacker from cyberpunk.
If I had to choose a best “Power Armor” in scifi I’m going with the Dalek casing, emergency Time Travel, force field that atomizes projectiles, absorbs energy from enemy weapons to repair itself and incinerates non-time-sensitive life forms, battle computer that download the entire internet to the largest database in the universe, disable enemy targeting systems, give the Dalek aimbot and a partial hive mind, ability to self repair, anti psychic defenses, can function in constant combat for billions of years, flight, extermination ray capable of obliterating entire buildings, works in space and underwater, and that’s only the basic drone.
one thing you forgot to mention was the ICE protection, your normal Netrunner is not breaking though the Military grade ICE in a fight without good prep time and each suits ICE reacts to other suits around it, not to uncommon for a Runner to get fried on a second suit if they crack one because the ICE evolved on the fly to target that Runners methods of cracking
If we take this with the 2077 video game changes, this armour would be a lot more powerful than descussed. Lets assume its modded to half the degree Adam Smasher is, the weapons would all pack more punch and thd lifting capacity would be closer to a Space marine. Add it the hover tech and youve got a beast that could content with V.
And that's in the 2020s, imagine the improvements that could be made by the 2070s/80s. Even the Basilisk hovertank that you get to drive by hanging around with the Nomads is seen as an outdated model military-wise.
I grew up with things like Bubblegum Crisis, Landmates in Appleseed, Elementals in Battletech, Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01, and the OG power armor: Starship Troopers. So I have always felt that designs like the Space Marines and Spartans completely miss the point of power armor, because they don't treat them like wearable mechs. Like how they don't have jump jets, and they don't have an entire platoon's worth of hull mounted weaponry bolted onto them. I get that they're limited by the rules of the game systems they exist within, but its still so boring compared to all those older concepts. And it makes me sad that those super basic power armor designs are the only ones that the vast majority of people know. But power armor can be so much cooler than that.
Since Rifts Glitterboy power armour got mentioned in another comment by your analysis how would it or Coalition SAMAS power armour stack up in comparison?
While a generally solid video claiming a Commando has the same firepower as a squad of Marines is insane. 1 stubber, 1 heavy bolter, let's call the 40 MG an autocannon, a sword, and 2 one shot claymores. Thats 3-4 at **best.**
Dude he continues to use the Halo MA5 Assault Rifle as the default as if Spartans aren't special forces and don't have a shit ton of weapons and gear load outs to choose from. As well as vehicles and air/space craft. Him saying one of these commandos are equal to a Squad of Space Marines isn't a surprise at this point. You know because it's not like Space Marines are Shock Troops with entire armories of weapons and gear to choose from. As well as their own vehicles and aircraft. Oh wait Spartans are Special Forces trained in all aspects of war. Space Marines are Shock Troops trained in all aspects of war and they both have extensive Arsenals of weapons, equipment, vehicles and air/space craft to choose from.
Isn't a micro-nuclear warhead a part of Starship Troopers' infantry arsenal while the armour is resistant to less than anti-tank weapons/high explosives.
Now I know that the way I have V built in my second play through would give these video game icons a run for their money in that power armor. And even without it I could still literally punch a hole through a Spartan’s chest. Armor and all. Plus my reflexes are boosted to the same degree or damn near so Vincent could trounce a Spartan for sure without power armor. And with it warhammer 40k space marines would be the only fair fight I could think to pick. And with all that said I now realize I’m probably more than ready to take on smasher.
Can you do a video about Armored Core?, I always wondered the caliber of the weapons, there is even a video that shows the exact size of things in AC6.
I made Mk7 Power Armour in Maxium Metal once. Basing all the requirements off what Hard numbers I could get out of 40k. It turned out to be relatively cheap, like, a good solid budget armour.
Can someone tell how much is the numbers for spartan mjolnir mark VII power armor, compared to tthe mark IV, i know is an abismal and ridiculous amount but specifically.
Yup. And based on 3 different source books and some educated guessing, there are about 15,000 (conservative estimate) in the Cyberpunk world. That is 15 Space Marine Chapters-worth. Roughly 5x the amount of every Spartan class combined.
@@MarcusVance Would love to see a modern video about it. Although the games don't really do them justice, the stats and lore for them in the books are pretty insane. Wondering how well they scale to Space Marine Power Armor.
@@mrdoormat6809 For all we know 40k suits are the downgraded versions of these suits. Like Cyberpunk was Dark Age of technology for the Warhammer setting (aka the golden age of science and tech)
Well, i would very much like a c&c mod for the previous and next corporate wars. You don't even need to change much. In RA3 they basically have arasaka, millitech and sovoil.
all those pal in comparison to battletech battlearmor a suit weights in 1 ton can run at 32 kph having jump jet capability have enough armor to take a large laser in the face mounted with 2 single use SRM launcher 1 small laser that can melt and vaporize 90kg of steel per shot either a machine gun or flamer and claw with enough power to tear off mech armor plating
The armor that you’re using here isn’t equivalent to the Mjolnir armor. It would be more similar to the Mantis if you’re going to compare the two. As for 40K, they’re similar enough to make a comparison, but these suits are closer to mechs than power armor. You’d be more accurate comparing it to a dreadnought.
Philosophical question: what is the main difference between power armor and mecha? I would personally say Iron Man's armor is power armor, but the Hulkbuster is a mecha. That sorta thing. Is it size? Role? What it covers? I think that would be an interesting topic.
@@pendantblade6361 a dreadnought is more of a full-body prosthesis than it is a mech. Space Marines have the Invictor Warsuit (that looks awfully like a Redemptor Dreadnought chassis but with a pilot seat instead of a sarcophagus), and the Grey's Knights Baby Carrie- I mean Dreadknight, which works on a master-slave control system. And then there's the Centurion, the oddball in-between, where the legs are armoured but the arms are controlled by a neural link.
@@MarcusVanceSo Titanfall Titans are technically power armour? You don't drive a Titan, the neural link allows you to move the Titan like how you'd move your own body
I feel like if the mechanicus went separatist this is what the outcome would be would be an interesting idea for 40k they still have somewhat religious views but it doesn't hold them back
I feel like an independent Mechanicus would be EVEN MORE religious and stagnant. This is more to Tau and Votann tech develop where they don't really hold anything sacrosanct.
This really makes me wish we had a little more technical specifications of the weaponry that come on the size 1/2 frames in the Lancer RPG, it'd be interesting to see how they stack up against other Sci-fi mainstays. the Atlas frame, basically turning anyone in to Raiden from Metal Gear Rising, is an obvious contender, but I like to think the Doomguy-esque Caliban is a potential threat as well. There's also more outrageous things, like the Napoleon's Displacer rifle, forcibly shifting small portions of space in to "Blinkspace", or the Goblin's unparalleled H0R-OS E-combat suite and OSIRIS-class AI capable of seizing complete control of enemy mechs could probably wreak havoc on highly computerized power armor. unfortunately, without any real numbers it's impossible to say how much force any of their weapons can actually put out, save for a piece of humorous text on the Caliban's "Cannibal" shotgun, stating "its ejection action clears the weapon of spent cartridges with enough velocity to decapitate unarmored personnel", which equates to 5 damage on the tabletop.
Have a video breaking down the Tau rail rifle. Long story short, we have the ballistics data for it. We also have ballistics data for the smaller Cyberpunk railguns. Cyberpunk ones put out higher numbers on average.
@MarcusVance so I looked at your video on the rail rifle and looked at the info on cyberpunk Rhinemetall EMG-85 Railgun, if what you said was true in the tau video than it beats the cyberpunk one. So I'm a bit confused here?
How would Cyberpunk2020/77 they fare against BattleTech Battle Armor both elemental and other Inner sphere variants? BA can take a few hits from battlemech scale weaponry, and unsure of cyberpunk2077 has a counter to directed energy weapons.
Awesome Video as always! I'm always pleasantly surprised on how OP Cyberpunk is and it always make me happy! I've always preferred more Hard Scifi settings and Cyberpunk is relatively Hard Scifi compared to others settings (Exept for David's gravity weapon from the anime which honeslty never sat well with me cause it didn't seem to "fit" with the rest of the technology of the setting).
Even though halo's Mjolnir doesn't carry any innate weapons, the plating and shielding can withstand 30mm fire from rounds using futuristic propellant making it a serious force to be reckoned with when talking about defense.
Warhammer Custodian Power Armour. Eldar Power Armor. Ork Power Armor. Specific Tau Battle Suits. The Narrators Bias Plot Power Armor with no helmet don’t forget that one.
Have you considered doing a video on Fortunes railgun from metal gear solid? Seriously, the thing blows most halo weapons of similar function out of the water(and that's saying something)
Didnt know these exist, super cool. But to be fair, these are bordering on mechs, and so can really be compared to halo mjolnir, adeptus asartes terminator is a much more fair comparison.
@@MarcusVanceYeah! That is also what I personally use to distinguish the two! But it does makes me wonder which category the Power Loaders from Aliens are in... Cause on one hand they seem to be moving and following the user's movements but it also as alot of "piloting" involved. But on the other other hand, they don't have the "Armour" part of the a Power Armour, so is it more like a bigass exoskeleton?
Not really related, but it just came to me, that in Shadowrun, you could theoretically make the bear from The Guardians: a werebear with a shoulder mounted, automatic minigun (?)
Oh, and drones armed with .50 BMG machine guns often accompany each set of ACPA (Assisted Combat Personal Armor) for recon and "light" work. So....
This is only including the standard suits right? So none the super Augmentation like the Dragoon
You've seen Edgerunners, right? How did David's (Arasaka stolen & upgraded Mili-Tech Centaur Power-armor) Anti-grav "Cyber-Skeleton" Rig rank, as far as what you've seen in Sci-Fi?
*(Obviously not against Smasher. SPOILERS)*
@@VerdeMorteTbh I found.out that Smasher is using an Arasaka Modded Dragoon frame
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Smasher's cybernetic full borg body is a mix & match series of different company products assembled together, with Arisaka programming & tuning to prevent any rival corp assassinating him by product defect or zero day...
@@loreman2803 I believe he’s using multiple different parts, so some Arasaka and some miltech
I had absolutely no idea Power Armor was this insane in Cyberpunk. Imagine if they modded it to the game 😅
Yeah if you go find a copy of the Heavy Metal and Maximum Metal supplements for 2020, you'll see some shit.
And these are the mid tier ones! Adam Smasher was rocking an Arasaka Dai Oni power armor *ON TOP* of his Samson body back in 2023, that thing was mean, massive and even worse than the Cyber Skeleton for cyberpsychosis! It took Shaitan, Silverhand, and all of Blackhand's elite strike team to slow it down, and even then it was the nuclear blast that really took it out of commission!
You can see some ACPA(As they are called in Cyberpunk) in game at the police checkpoint close to Kerry's house.
Maximum Metal was by far the raddest sourcebook for CP2020.
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Dai Oni from arasaka is incompatible with Samson. Considering the fact that Smasher could be transported from body to body giving him the alpha that pilots Dai Oni would be much easier and would make him more dependant on Arasaka for using his heaviest toys which is perfectly in line with Arasaka's modus operandi.
Either way Vance once again oversells whatever the fuck he wants to compare with 40k. and halo.
Really, as a whole, when you busted out the Maximum Metal book, you were ready to turn your cyberpunk game into a military campaign
Or ready to make your players finally feel fear when messing with Arasaka.
The players fear the broadcast: An Arisaka Dai Oni has been deployed in your AO.
Wish I could give the cyberpunk ttrpg a try because making a cyberpunk war campaign were you play as troops during one of the corpo wars would be epic
@@ElishaFollet look at home of the brave, it has rules and suggestions for a soldier oriented game.
@@ElishaFolletmight I suggest the Mob War of the early 2010s as a setting? That's full on corporate armies with boots on the ground, armored vehicles and air support fighting block by block against all the gangs outside City Center. Entire NCPD (Excluding MaxTac) disintegrates a few months into the conflict, Trauma Team are the only ones running any sort of medical service in the entire city... it would be hardcore, is what I'm trying to say...
If only David Martinez would have worn one of these we could’ve gotten the happy ending to edge runners
Wrong City, Wrong People RIP
Adam smasher is outfitted with similar weapons.
Adam Smasher has been outfitted with full borg powered armor before.
I think he probably was in better stuff all things considered. Minus the shitload of anti-tank guns and an AI of course. But given that in his time AI was mega forbidden I doubt he'd get his hands on one either.
@@tyr7876 Think laws would stop Adam Smasher from doing anything?
He's a menace
"might have the most potent suits of power armor I've examined"
Glitterboys heard you were talking shit
Those have some of the most potent guns.
Glitter boys?
@@matthewpinner9419 From the Rifts RPG
He has a video about them vs Space Marines
@@matthewpinner9419the definitive peak of man portable railguns
The Glitter Boy railgun is so powerful, it deploys spikes from its feet into the ground to counteract the recoil
I honestly completely forgot these existed, and my god, I they’re so insane now hearing them being compared to Spartans and Space Marines
I guess that makes sense for the themes of the universe, Corpos rule everything. So you're going to get your moneys worth 😂
Interestingly, country militaries have more. Corps TECHNICALLY are less capable at open warfare, focusing more on spec ops and security.
@@MarcusVance just like irl. Real corporations suck ass anytime they are put in a leadership positions where they actually have to do something
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong That generally IS the problem of having a specialized organization trying to do the job of another specialized organization. Priests, soldiers, and businessmen could technically fulfill the job of the others but they'll eventually re-specialize or fall apart.
@@awesomesauce980 Space Marines, who have been all of these things for 10,000+ years and haven't fallen apart yet: _transhuman laughter_
@@LordCrate-du8zmyou sure they individually have been all of that and also it's incredible rare space marines who survived the horus heresy in contemporary times 40k in the imperium
Makes me curious about a match up between Mobile Suits and Armored Cores if that hasnt been done yet
armour core would win depending on the universe. mobile suits have more grounded combat capabilities. but the gundam universe could just drop a colony.
@@SLAVKINGREDMobile Suits would definitely win. They all carry weapons that could one shot anything. There is also Mobile Armors which are just overkill.
@@SLAVKINGREDMobile Suits grounded 😂😂 Luminous Crystal Unicorn manipulating time, Turn A's full power, Double X, Wing Zero, nothing is grounded about the Gundam top tiers.
i supose, but i mean like grunt mobile suit are inferior compared to armourd core.@@chaotixthefox
i supose, but i mean like grunt mobile suit are inferior compared to armourd core.@@chaotixthefox
"Power Armor is Pu-" *Guy in this suit shows up* "...For God's!"
You should check the Elemental's powered armor from Battletech. Those things are nasty, are really fast and pack a punch but with a comparatively much simpler arrange of weapons
They definitely do! Up until looking into these, Elementals were my "most potent power armor" due to weapons that can drop mechs and armor that can tank some mech weapons.
But... these are similar. Also stronger, faster, easier to pilot, and even more weapons.
@@MarcusVance I doubt that Commando PA is stronger than Clan Elemental Armor as the Clan suit has been known to peel armor off of BattleMechs with it's battleclaw. Elementals have a support Machine Gun, a heavy weapon (usually a laser that's better than the CP 20mm which is roughly equal to a standard BT Machine Gun) and two anti-armor missile launchers with 1 reload each. (That means it has the same number of weapons as the Claymore like thing is very short ranged and not anti-armor.) Also the Elemental's 2nd missile launcher is a superior weapon compared to the Cyberpunk Grenade Launcher, even if it has more ammo. Last, but not least, an Elemental can shrug off a hit from a modern 105mm Cannon, which means it has better armor than a modern tank/Commando as a 105 can punch through 8 inches of steel armor at 1000 yards (Yes, I looked it up). So, the Commando is a more flexible, but it's not beating a Clan Elemental in a fight very often. sm
@@MarcusVanceActually Elemental Battle Armor can be used by normal people. Just slightly less effectively.
@@mattwoodard2535 it should be noted that the calcs for the 'Small Laser' is... around 100MJ. To give you an idea of just how ludicrous it is, that's just over four times the energy that an M829A4/5 APFSDSDU round.
At least Cyberpunk isn't dealing with OGRE battlesuits or Traveller Battledress...
One is basically the *_BOOK_* version of Starship Trooper power armor designed to fight in a legit nuclear battlefield (please note that the battlesuit hauls around a recoilless rifle flinging SATNUC (take a cluster munition, now replace the HEDP warheads with shaped nuclear charges) rounds as standard), the other can tango in the same battlefield but tend to haul around *_guns that fling fusion bolts at you_* or a 4mm gauss-rifle that spits out rounds at MG42 rates of fire.
@@TheTrueAdeptAnd BT has Plasma Cannons for BA. ;) In general I think BT Battle Armor is as good as Ogre or Starship Trooper PA, but has a different philosophy for the weapons it carries. BT BA are able to operate on a nuclear battlefield with no problems, they just are not equipped with nuclear weapons despite the fact they easily could be because no one like nukes in BT. All the major (and many minor) factions could produce micro nukes, but they don't. So Ogre and SST PA are more powerful because they are much less restrained in the weapons they are allowed to carry. sm
I knew the corpos of the Cyberpunk world held all the cutting-edge stuff thanks to Adam Smasher, and his dialogue in the anime, but i had no idea it was THIS extreme.
If you think that this is the most potent power armour you've seen so far, You aught to check out Forerunner combat skins. They're *bonkers*. MJOLNIR is only considered equivalent to a class 2 combat skin. Forerunner civilians were at one point required to wear a class 8 at all times. And all soldiers were required to wear at least a class 12.
Dealing with zombie gods will do that
to a society.
ACPA is bonkers, I own Max Metal and it has all the dirty deets on these beastly end-game weapons. The US Army Grunt unit is a Militech Design that is closer to a medium-heavy class of ACPA (vs light-medium Commando) with shoulder mounted AT missile launcher, wrist mounted MG, Jump Pack, heavier auto-cannon and a bit more (from what I remember). The Mexican Metal one was one of my favorite budget heavy ACPA on the spread.
Definitely some fun info, along with the Firestorm books.
And PacRim gives some interesting details like Japan having over 5,000 ACPA in their military, and unit composition
@@MarcusVance Home of the Brave also has the stats for US Army Grunt Units too, I believe. But, yeah they do have some fantastic info spread throughout the books. I have the digital collection and a few physical ones that I really like.
Missed an opportunity to mention the Battle Armour from BattleTech, Light Gauss Rifles, Support PPCs, Recoilless Rifles and claws to rip and tear, and Jump Jets.
Cyberpunk is also the earliest out of the 3 by a significant margin
Oh yeah. ACPA are actually closer to minimechs. So 40K's Sentinels/AdMech Walkers and Halo's HRUNTING and HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL series might be fairer comparisons.
Though there are atleast three "Hardsuits" in 2020 that are person-sized, don't have any on-board weaponry and just pack heavy protection and reaction boosters. The Pit and Hooded Viper suits, along with the ZetaTech Grasshopper.
I love it when my 40k friends keep going on and on about how their universe has the strongest squad-level weapons and that a single Space Marine can solo any other scifi universe then I just drop them one of these vids
Next time tell them about the Daleks from Doctor Who, the standard Dalek drone has: emergency Time Travel, a force field that atomizes projectiles, absorbs energy from enemy weapons to repair itself and incinerates non-time-sensitive life forms, a battle computer that download the entire internet to the largest database in the universe, disable enemy targeting systems, give the Dalek aimbot and a partial hive mind, ability to self repair, advanced anti psychic defenses, can function in constant combat for billions of years, 2,000 mile an hour flight, an extermination ray capable of obliterating entire buildings, is works in space and underwater. They also once turned the platonic concept of fear into a living creature called the Nightmare Child. And built a device known as the reality bomb that would have destroyed the entire omniverse if the doctor hadn’t stopped them.
Oh they'd hate that 100% lol. They think Dr Who is basically Sci fi for babies, I still remember them raging about that Rick and Morty vs Dr Who deathbattle.
All of the listed weapons are still conventional.
Considering some of the high-tech weaponry available in the cyberpunk world, specialised units could get really scary.
Stuff like smart weapons and railguns alone take them leaps and bounds beyond what humans of the two other universes are capable of.
I do wonder how the firewalls of the other powerarmours would fare against a hacker from cyberpunk.
Fun fact: Adam smasher in the anime had roughly the same strength and speed of homelander from the boys
Wait really ? Where did you find this info ?
Was his sandevistan included in the calculations?
@@Adrian-Trivani yes
@@Adrian-Trivani even without it he ripped off David’s armor in the anti gav suit
If I had to choose a best “Power Armor” in scifi I’m going with the Dalek casing, emergency Time Travel, force field that atomizes projectiles, absorbs energy from enemy weapons to repair itself and incinerates non-time-sensitive life forms, battle computer that download the entire internet to the largest database in the universe, disable enemy targeting systems, give the Dalek aimbot and a partial hive mind, ability to self repair, anti psychic defenses, can function in constant combat for billions of years, flight, extermination ray capable of obliterating entire buildings, works in space and underwater, and that’s only the basic drone.
Nice video. I am a HUGE Halo fan and have played a lot of fallout 4, and i also just started playing Cyberpunk a few weeks ago
one thing you forgot to mention was the ICE protection, your normal Netrunner is not breaking though the Military grade ICE in a fight without good prep time and each suits ICE reacts to other suits around it, not to uncommon for a Runner to get fried on a second suit if they crack one because the ICE evolved on the fly to target that Runners methods of cracking
I NEED more tv shows and movies with power armour and mechs
This is almost a coincidence. I was rewatching scenes from votoms today. But those are mechs, not power armor, so "almost."
Yeah, the VOTOMS ones are just big enough to be driven instead of worn armor.
I wanna say VOTOMS are most comparable to FMP!'s Arm Slaves, but minus the extremely volatile fuel.
If you this these suits are powerful then wait til you see power armors from Rifts.
If we take this with the 2077 video game changes, this armour would be a lot more powerful than descussed. Lets assume its modded to half the degree Adam Smasher is, the weapons would all pack more punch and thd lifting capacity would be closer to a Space marine. Add it the hover tech and youve got a beast that could content with V.
And this is just them being on Earth. Imagine if the Cyberpunk corporations managed to expand to the stars and advance their tech even further.
Starship toppers power armors also pack a mean punch
And that's in the 2020s, imagine the improvements that could be made by the 2070s/80s. Even the Basilisk hovertank that you get to drive by hanging around with the Nomads is seen as an outdated model military-wise.
Space Marines have hover tanks in 40k. Granted, those were recent inventions, but the grav-tanks of the Adeptus Custodes are not.
By the Emperor, imagine mass producing THAT on regular Imperial Guard and sending them to the frontlines. Tyranids? What's that?
You can just check out the original Starship Troopers novel instead of imagining.
I grew up with things like Bubblegum Crisis, Landmates in Appleseed, Elementals in Battletech, Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01, and the OG power armor: Starship Troopers. So I have always felt that designs like the Space Marines and Spartans completely miss the point of power armor, because they don't treat them like wearable mechs.
Like how they don't have jump jets, and they don't have an entire platoon's worth of hull mounted weaponry bolted onto them. I get that they're limited by the rules of the game systems they exist within, but its still so boring compared to all those older concepts. And it makes me sad that those super basic power armor designs are the only ones that the vast majority of people know. But power armor can be so much cooler than that.
I’d put the Rifts rpg power armors against anything Cyberpunk has. 0:53
Since Rifts Glitterboy power armour got mentioned in another comment by your analysis how would it or Coalition SAMAS power armour stack up in comparison?
and just imagine someone in one of these suits using a sandevistan
Id hoped halo tv show wouldve done something like this, show other power armor that normal dudes can use
This is like the prototype suit from halo legends. Just all the guns
Potent power armor, you say... let me introduce you to this think called Rifts.
Their thing is more their gun
After being a fan of all your videos on mechs I would love it if you looked at the NEXTS or Arms Forts from Armored Core 4 and For Answer in a video.
Starship Trooper MI from the books are equipped with nukes though
I'd like to see them go against petite mobile suits from gundam where they use beam rifles, causing a massive pain in the a55 even for mobile suits.
While a generally solid video claiming a Commando has the same firepower as a squad of Marines is insane.
1 stubber, 1 heavy bolter, let's call the 40 MG an autocannon, a sword, and 2 one shot claymores. Thats 3-4 at **best.**
Dude he continues to use the Halo MA5 Assault Rifle as the default as if Spartans aren't special forces and don't have a shit ton of weapons and gear load outs to choose from. As well as vehicles and air/space craft.
Him saying one of these commandos are equal to a Squad of Space Marines isn't a surprise at this point.
You know because it's not like Space Marines are Shock Troops with entire armories of weapons and gear to choose from. As well as their own vehicles and aircraft.
Oh wait Spartans are Special Forces trained in all aspects of war. Space Marines are Shock Troops trained in all aspects of war and they both have extensive Arsenals of weapons, equipment, vehicles and air/space craft to choose from.
I'm wondering how the Power Armor from Starship Troopers would compare to this.
Isn't a micro-nuclear warhead a part of Starship Troopers' infantry arsenal while the armour is resistant to less than anti-tank weapons/high explosives.
Could you do a vid on the Anthem Javelin armors?
Have you ever looked into Titanfall? Would be interesting to hear how you think Titans and Pilots would hold up against other super soldiers
Now I know that the way I have V built in my second play through would give these video game icons a run for their money in that power armor. And even without it I could still literally punch a hole through a Spartan’s chest. Armor and all. Plus my reflexes are boosted to the same degree or damn near so Vincent could trounce a Spartan for sure without power armor. And with it warhammer 40k space marines would be the only fair fight I could think to pick. And with all that said I now realize I’m probably more than ready to take on smasher.
the suits literally look like the mobile infantry suits from Starship Troopers (the book)
Can you do a video about Armored Core?, I always wondered the caliber of the weapons, there is even a video that shows the exact size of things in AC6.
Reminds me of the anime OVA "Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01."
I made Mk7 Power Armour in Maxium Metal once. Basing all the requirements off what Hard numbers I could get out of 40k.
It turned out to be relatively cheap, like, a good solid budget armour.
Absolutely loved Maximum Metal - but my favorite was Deep Space. You should check it out.
Can someone tell how much is the numbers for spartan mjolnir mark VII power armor, compared to tthe mark IV, i know is an abismal and ridiculous amount but specifically.
And normal people can use it?
All you need is a neural link-which is incredibly common in Cyberpunk.
well a normal person in cyberpunk would prob have the necessary interface cyberware, but idk about someone full ganic
@@MarcusVance that just makes it even more op
Yup. And based on 3 different source books and some educated guessing, there are about 15,000 (conservative estimate) in the Cyberpunk world.
That is 15 Space Marine Chapters-worth.
Roughly 5x the amount of every Spartan class combined.
@@MarcusVance also further shows off how stupid the "chapter = 1000 marines" thing is lol
I see your flex and raise you the power armor suits from the Tabletop Game Rifts by Palladium books.
Glitterbois and the Coalition clear both settings easily
you ever think of doing the crysis nanosuit?
I have thought about it.
@@MarcusVance Would love to see a modern video about it. Although the games don't really do them justice, the stats and lore for them in the books are pretty insane. Wondering how well they scale to Space Marine Power Armor.
I want these in the video game now. Smasher won’t know what hit him
Never any love for Battletech in these sorts of discussions. 😢
5500 lbs is more than a small car. Your talking more like a Silverado 1500.
It’s genuinely shocking when a power armor that is mass produced outperforms 40k tech
40k imperium is largely stagnant techwise, so its kinda make sense.
@@mrdoormat6809 For all we know 40k suits are the downgraded versions of these suits. Like Cyberpunk was Dark Age of technology for the Warhammer setting (aka the golden age of science and tech)
Well, i would very much like a c&c mod for the previous and next corporate wars. You don't even need to change much. In RA3 they basically have arasaka, millitech and sovoil.
Imagine the reaction of the adeptus mechanicus when they find that out.
all those pal in comparison to battletech battlearmor
a suit weights in 1 ton can run at 32 kph having jump jet capability have enough armor to take a large laser in the face
mounted with 2 single use SRM launcher 1 small laser that can melt and vaporize 90kg of steel per shot
either a machine gun or flamer
and claw with enough power to tear off mech armor plating
The armor that you’re using here isn’t equivalent to the Mjolnir armor. It would be more similar to the Mantis if you’re going to compare the two.
As for 40K, they’re similar enough to make a comparison, but these suits are closer to mechs than power armor. You’d be more accurate comparing it to a dreadnought.
How do we know they're not using a more powerful gunpowder?
Their designed is like inspired to starship trooper anime ova 1988(it also where HALO master chef helmet got inspired too)
Philosophical question: what is the main difference between power armor and mecha?
I would personally say Iron Man's armor is power armor, but the Hulkbuster is a mecha. That sorta thing. Is it size? Role? What it covers? I think that would be an interesting topic.
Simplest answer is do your arms and legs move its arms and legs directly? If yes, powered armor.
If it's more driven, mech.
@@MarcusVance So Space Marine armor is power armor but a Dreadnought is a mech.
Given that dreadnought pilots can't have much of a body, I think that's a little gray.
@@pendantblade6361 a dreadnought is more of a full-body prosthesis than it is a mech.
Space Marines have the Invictor Warsuit (that looks awfully like a Redemptor Dreadnought chassis but with a pilot seat instead of a sarcophagus), and the Grey's Knights Baby Carrie- I mean Dreadknight, which works on a master-slave control system.
And then there's the Centurion, the oddball in-between, where the legs are armoured but the arms are controlled by a neural link.
@@MarcusVanceSo Titanfall Titans are technically power armour? You don't drive a Titan, the neural link allows you to move the Titan like how you'd move your own body
When you want to play lancer, but you also want a sandevistan and a much grittier game (without getting banned from groups)
Cyberpunk has power armor??!!!!
Well i know what my goals are for cyberpunk if i play it.
Anyone know what Madox is? Because thome the cyberpunk power armors remind of that old anime
Yea yea but do they have THE GOD EMPEROR OF MANKIND? HAVE FAITH HERETIC
Nice video. I was wondering if you could review iron man's suits and maybe war machines too, see how they compare
I feel like if the mechanicus went separatist this is what the outcome would be would be an interesting idea for 40k they still have somewhat religious views but it doesn't hold them back
I feel like an independent Mechanicus would be EVEN MORE religious and stagnant.
This is more to Tau and Votann tech develop where they don't really hold anything sacrosanct.
This really makes me wish we had a little more technical specifications of the weaponry that come on the size 1/2 frames in the Lancer RPG, it'd be interesting to see how they stack up against other Sci-fi mainstays. the Atlas frame, basically turning anyone in to Raiden from Metal Gear Rising, is an obvious contender, but I like to think the Doomguy-esque Caliban is a potential threat as well. There's also more outrageous things, like the Napoleon's Displacer rifle, forcibly shifting small portions of space in to "Blinkspace", or the Goblin's unparalleled H0R-OS E-combat suite and OSIRIS-class AI capable of seizing complete control of enemy mechs could probably wreak havoc on highly computerized power armor.
unfortunately, without any real numbers it's impossible to say how much force any of their weapons can actually put out, save for a piece of humorous text on the Caliban's "Cannibal" shotgun, stating "its ejection action clears the weapon of spent cartridges with enough velocity to decapitate unarmored personnel", which equates to 5 damage on the tabletop.
Can you do one discussing the Augmented Reaction Suit from Vanquish? Or Metal Wolf from Metal Wolf Chaos?
Who brought the zaku || into this bro
Yeah it's about the same as a chapter master custom suit, it's really fucking potent.
You should check out RIFTS RPG power armors more.
Hey could you tell me where you got that cyberpunk rifles are better than tau?
Have a video breaking down the Tau rail rifle. Long story short, we have the ballistics data for it. We also have ballistics data for the smaller Cyberpunk railguns.
Cyberpunk ones put out higher numbers on average.
@MarcusVance so I looked at your video on the rail rifle and looked at the info on cyberpunk Rhinemetall EMG-85 Railgun, if what you said was true in the tau video than it beats the cyberpunk one. So I'm a bit confused here?
Heavier projectile.
Would love me some statistics on those rail cannons
I have a question, do warframes not count as power armor?
What are the requirements for something to be counted as power armor?
I think they count in the Mech catagory.
How would Cyberpunk2020/77 they fare against BattleTech Battle Armor both elemental and other Inner sphere variants? BA can take a few hits from battlemech scale weaponry, and unsure of cyberpunk2077 has a counter to directed energy weapons.
So your telling me this is basically an armored core
Have you covere Armored Core yet? I would like to see a comparison with them.
Awesome Video as always! I'm always pleasantly surprised on how OP Cyberpunk is and it always make me happy!
I've always preferred more Hard Scifi settings and Cyberpunk is relatively Hard Scifi compared to others settings (Exept for David's gravity weapon from the anime which honeslty never sat well with me cause it didn't seem to "fit" with the rest of the technology of the setting).
what about the battle tech clan elemental ?
Doomguy gonna liberate Night City thinking someone named it Knight City.
Charges BFG9000 and Unmaker.
Even though halo's Mjolnir doesn't carry any innate weapons, the plating and shielding can withstand 30mm fire from rounds using futuristic propellant making it a serious force to be reckoned with when talking about defense.
This reminds me of the original power armors in the starship troopers book
Warhammer Custodian Power Armour. Eldar Power Armor. Ork Power Armor. Specific Tau Battle Suits. The Narrators Bias Plot Power Armor with no helmet don’t forget that one.
I still love the Dai Oni armor
So what I'm hearing is BattleTech Mechs would get rekt by these guys. Got it. Cyberpunk is scary.
Aren't most Mechs from BattleTech already got rekt'ed by their own universe power armor?
I WANT THAT IN CYBERPUNK!
not only do i want to have it, i want to fight enemies that also have it!
How do warframe’s necramech compete with those?
Have you considered doing a video on Fortunes railgun from metal gear solid? Seriously, the thing blows most halo weapons of similar function out of the water(and that's saying something)
I haven't looked into it!
a quick word on how to excite the warhammer community😂
Didnt know these exist, super cool.
But to be fair, these are bordering on mechs, and so can really be compared to halo mjolnir, adeptus asartes terminator is a much more fair comparison.
The line between powered armor and mech is pretty much if it uses your movement directly to move or not.
This uses your movement.
@@MarcusVance Yes, which is why its almost a mech, due to its size and how its worn. Its very similar to Rifts glitterboy.
@@MarcusVanceYeah! That is also what I personally use to distinguish the two!
But it does makes me wonder which category the Power Loaders from Aliens are in... Cause on one hand they seem to be moving and following the user's movements but it also as alot of "piloting" involved. But on the other other hand, they don't have the "Armour" part of the a Power Armour, so is it more like a bigass exoskeleton?
Can you cover the Fairweather T-500 Vitreous Enamel Ceramic armor from Disco Elysium.
You should do a comparison between a halo spartan and a star wars clone commando
Not really related, but it just came to me, that in Shadowrun, you could theoretically make the bear from The Guardians: a werebear with a shoulder mounted, automatic minigun (?)
Hope you look into helldivers soon, wonder what your thoughts on them are.