James O'Brien ponders how we can have 'sensible' conversations about immigration | LBC
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- Discussing how we have a conversation about the disastrous consequences of policies designed to appeal to people primed to hate foreigners', James explores 'squaring the necessity of immigration' with the rhetoric 'it's too high'.
It comes amid ongoing riots in the UK, which were sparked after three girls were killed in a knife attack in Southport.
Keir Starmer has vowed rioters will "regret" engaging in "far-right thuggery" and promised those involved in unrest will "face the full force of the law".
And some involed in the violence have already been jailed for their part in the disorder that has rocked towns and cities across the UK.
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15 years of horrific leadership is not to blame... but 5 minutes of new government is??? What are they thinking?
Yea right...
no 30 yrs of bad govt
@@tccandler Kaos Starmer and his cronies have lost the plot..they make Truss look a genius...😩😩😩
This guy thinks the political elite are different 😂
@@leethrelfallltfoolish comment. This has been stoked by the Tories for years. How can you blame the bloke that's been here five minutes after 14 years of Tory chaos?
One thing I have learned about right wing thugs is that they hate being called right wing thugs.
Or weirdos
They seem rather sensitive about it.
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@@nandc61 I will proudly claim far left... but not exactly Marxist.
Why? Are you ashamed to name your political leaning?
Do you think it is normal to be ashamed to state it?
Snowflakes
As Mark Twain once said, “You can’t argue with idiots. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
Don't forget this brilliant quote by Jonathan Swift as well:
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
that applys to james, and all the crazy left.
But they are your fellow citizens with equal voting rights and we should be listening to their concerns. The concern used to be about lack of opportunity. Now that is expressed as OTHER foreign people taking their opportunities. It's not rocket science .... The issue is opportunity.
As a Brazilian living in uk for more than 5 years, working and contributing to the country, I fear leaving my house and walk on the streets, imagine these people who are being targeted now. Tomorrow can be me and my nationality or ethnicity. This is sad.
How do you think we British people feel?
@@Jamie-uk2zh about what?
@@Jamie-uk2zh Imagine the irony of JOB asking "how we can have 'sensible' conversations". FFS it defies belief.
@@tryingmybest9819 So you’d honestly feel safe in places like Croydon,Peckham,new ham or Tower Hamlets? 3 teenagers lost their lives in London today due to gun crime.
@Jamie-uk2zh Ask Charles Veitch, your saviour yet was born in Brazil
My adult son has complex learning disabilities and bi polar disorder. No one has been able to look after him , he was evicted from his last care home until carers from Zimbabwe and India came on a visa and manage him so well. They now can’t bring their families here so why should they stay here .. there’s no incentive .
We should welcome them and make it easier not harder for them to come and help us with our carer shortage.
Of course there’s an incentive, they don’t have to live in Africa or India & can send money home
@@5uper5kill3rztravel more…
@@5uper5kill3rzwhy when their family could live here? Their doing us the favour
Thank you for telling everyone you neglected and or abused yihr child without saying anything.
Oswald Mosely tried this approach in the 20's/30's and failed, Powell in the 60's/70's also failed, the NF tried it in the 70's/80's and failed, the BNP tried it in the 90's/early 2000's and failed, EDL been trying it since and failing. Do you see a pattern with the far right in the UK over the last 100 years?
@@remainanonymous93 They don't give up?
The other oddity is changing your first name to Tommy... Mosley used to go by Tommy when younger.
They also forget their German friend also failed... They never seem to take that into account.
@Skygrey2943 lol
@steveOhh68 Yeah. I'm serious though. They will succeed if things continue to go the way they're going. The right have gathered a fair bit of support in Europe. Italy also has a hard right leader.
Its not the boats coming in, its the private jets coming in
And jet airliners full to the brim and cross-channel ferries. Based on 685,000 nett total immigration (year to Jun 2023) of which 30,000 came in small boats.
How's that?
That's a totally biased, one-sided opinion. This is the trouble with the world.
BOTH are an issue!
Stop the small planes!
It's all the money laundering going on in and out of offshore accounts that the people on the ground can't see. The rich are laughing right now at all of this. When we all have to suffer.
We cant blame Labour they've only been in power for 3weeks . Need to give them a chance. Tories messed up England
Errrrr number of dingy divers has rocketed since July 2024
@@jimcourt9164 what about 14 years nothing about that eh
@@freedomforthebrave Blair & Brown?
@@jimcourt9164oh you got them!!! Even if that's true, Tories did nothing and labour is about to do something. But even then, its a none issue compared to the rest of the country's problems. Its a scape goat!
@@jimcourt9164 Do you remember how the "small boats" weren't a problem at all before the Tories got in? It started being a problem in 2018. It's a problem the tories *created*.
You do have to sort of admire the cognitive dissonance of people who believe immigrants are simultaneously coming here "taking our jobs" and "scrounging off the state while unemployed".
Schrodinger’s immigrants.
In Scotland it's foreign students that pay for Scottish students free university.
What? Nonsense.
@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 Universities Scotland says "free tuition for Scottish undergraduates is made possible by the financial contribution of overseas students."
Try reading sometime 👌
@@radge6579 A 'financial contribution' is a different concept entirely than to 'pay for' which is what you stated - that's a comprehension issue on your side. I pay my studying fees to The Open University which in turn allows a certain amount of students from deprived areas to have free study via the university. I cannot claim to pay for them though as The Open University receives money in many forms such as government grants, donations and charity.
@@idratherbeaphilthanajustin9533 University fees are paid for in Scotland. It is free. The income from foreign students helps pay for that.
@@BrokenBackMountains It's slighly disingenuous of the OP to state that foreign students 'pay for' these studies then? You should have messaged the OP instead.
The conversation has become so polluted that trying to have a sensible conversation about immigration in this country has become like trying to have a sensible, or even half way rational, conversation about anything at all with the heavily medicated inmates of a high security mental facility.
Brexit Britain has turned very quickly into Bedlam Britain, as some of us saw that it would from the start.
@@acrodave9287 do you think that pointing the finger of blame for everything on Brexit might be a little one eyed. Hardly an invitation to a mutually respectful exchange of views.
@@mikeserridge4547 If you're looking to James O Brien for a 'mutually respectful exchange of views', then sorry to have to say, you're looking in the wrong place!
@@Humanity101-zp4sq agreed
Seriously Mike, other than the overworked customs sector, show me another sector that is thriving post brexit-everywhere you go, every sector is groaning about downturns...
@@D-E-S_8559imagine we had a government that actually implemented what they said they would do.
Just comical.
Here is a direct quote from UK government 2021.
"We will reduce overall levels of migration and give top priority to those with the highest skills and the greatest talents: scientists, engineers, academics and other highly-skilled workers."
And look at the reality. So how on earth can we have a sensible conversation with outright liars.
I have one question. Why none refers to these as act of terrorism?...
Terrorism:noun
noun: terrorism
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
What In that definition is incorrect to label these rioters as terrorists.
They've been considering using it for some of them apparently. Maybe the organisers (such as a chap on holiday who has apparently been tweeting a list of targets as he sits there).
Agree wholeheartedly.
@@weswheel4834yeah, the CPS and the police have said they will use terrorism charges where the evidence warrants.
If that’s the case then the murderer of those girls must be charged the same.
Completely agree, how is it not terrorism or at least extremism
All we talk about is immigration from 2010 onwards it was one of the scapegoats for austerity
100%
This is what I have tried to say to people who think that all their problems are due to immigrants. I work as a nurse. In my work place I am the only British nurse. The reason for this is that there is a shortage of UK nurses and they have to recruit from abroad. Millions of people, from abroad, are working hard and dont claim benefits.
And they fell for it hook line and sinker
Yep and propagated by the Mail et al
Literally...
A right-wing rioter/protester was asked why he was rioting/protesting, his answer was "I don't really know".
Any other fascinating anecdotes to share?
The right-wingers enjoy victimhood and being outraged and aggressive. That's their goal. That's their addiction.
They don't care about facts and fairness and being rational. That's just a buzzkill for them.
a amnesty international supporter was clapping when she heard cut thier throats
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Please type in English.
And vast majority of people that scream about free Palestine couldn’t point to it on a map, what’s your point? People are angry and sick of feeling they have no voice, because you get toxic clowns like O Brian calling them gammons or far right for simply having an opinion.
But James,, James, what is so dangerous about France or any country in the EU? I ask this question as many times as I can but you won't answer.
How do people think we are going to train 130,000 social care workers "of our own"? It takes time to train them, and costs money, and more importantly, the reason there are 130,000 vacancies is that British people DONT WANT TO DO THE JOB. If they did, we wouldn't need to bring in foreign workers, would we?
🎯🎯🎯 exactly.
And maybe if they put the wages up to where the brits can earn enough to get by and have a decent life then the brits would do it! I know I wouldn’t wanna work somewhere where I get paid minimum wage working 50 hours a week earning just enough to pay bills and have no life.
Same goes for IT, engineering and health services (nurses for example). The need from companies is impossible with supply from universities of UK and the majority of the finalist are foreigners or second generation immigrants as I saw when I was doing interviews for new positions in the company I work.
The wages are so low it’s not worth it for people on benefits they actually will be worse off paying for nursery fees etc….
But it's OK to pay immigrants pittance. Where is your moral compass?
Personally I am unable to make one line replies.
Myself I am a political scientist and economist. Plus until retirement I also owned multiple businesses and employed multiple people.
It is economic fact, an undeniable fact, that a capitalist society such as the UK, MUST have high levels of immigration. This is especially the case when the country has a service based economy. Because such economies can only survive with a constant stream of people prepared to work for literally next to nothing. Service economies are incestuous and will always fail.
No immigration, in effect few new businesses open and established businesses start to shut.
Without care workers arriving, hospitals stay full and ambulances stay in the car park ... No care workers, no way to move the bed blockers out.
Without foreign students, most universities if not all will collapse. UK universities have to be a cash making business.
My wife is a Dr of Psychology. Our daughter is a Dr of Sociology and our son a Dr of mathematical Physics. So we have a fair idea about academia and universities.
The next issue with UK universities is they are losing lecturers hand over fist and have been since Brexit ... Academics work world wide and interact world wide. What is happening is that the UK is being left out, because people are not working in the UK. They have no need to, they simply work in decent countries instead. There is little to no funding in the UK for research because of this. R&D used to be a major thing in the UK until in the 1990's when Blair's government had to cut expenses so started to cut those expenses where the public are 'blind' ... R&D was a prime example.
It is a fact that the UK since the 1970's has been importing skill because it is cheaper than having a proper system to train people.
THE PROBLEM is simple ... The Third Industrial Revolution is the issue.
That has changed the UK from an industrial based economy to a service based economy.
What is the 3rd Industrial Revolution? The move to automation for any and all work that can be automated. Because automation is cheap and efficient compared to humans.
When did it start? In the 1950's .... when did it start to get a real foothold? The 1970's hence all the industrial unrest of that period. Now? Millions of jobs replaced in the UK by automation/AI.
What is coming? In around 75 years time, c.80% of ALL activities in a work function completed by humans will be completed by AI, AGI and automation.
No more taxi drivers, bus drivers, truck drivers, airline pilots, factory workers, shop workers, lumberjacks, miners, road repairers, welders, for lift drivers and on and on.
People such as medical doctors will be rare. A computerised system will diagnose you, likely cure your ills with a Hormone or DNA injection. Surgery? Robotics & AI .... and on, and on that list goes.
Therefore the important question is ... Why are those in charge of society, allow the no longer working classes to even breed? As they will be economically and socially invalid.
This is not an attempt to be provocative or upset anyone ... This is the logical result of the 3rd Industrial Revolution and the way that capitalism works. In capitalism, if something or someone is not cost effective or profitable ... It is got rid of.
Maybe talk about this next week, James.
I'm sceptical about this AI revolution due Any Day Now
It's been ebbing and flowing in how publicly it's hyped, but they've been promising it since the 60s, and while there's a few nifty tricks with big data algorithms found recently, they're not a substitute for human intelligence
You either have no knowledge of or do not understand the AI technology that exists at present & is being developed to be produced in the very near future. You should look into it.
We can't with people like James, not without having what is said spun into something else.
Far left, far right. The majority doesn't speak for either...
The majority thankfully are decent people who just want to get on with their lives and look after their family whatever their origins.
Only person in the comments ive seen speaking sense! the lefty radicals love James and cheer when someone calls to sl1t someones throat, just as much as the right radicals love tommy robinson and want to set fire to hotels housing immigrants, whilst everyone, the absolute vast majority of the country on the centre right and left just want to have a sensible discussion on real and serious issues in this country.
@@Steve_Coates yes, there are plenty of us regardless of religion or colour origin.. the silent majority..
i dont see anything far left anywhere…
@@martindrees4602 no , you're to busy shouting at the far right.. called blind hate..
We need to start highlighting the massive benefits of immigration amd how much we rely on it as a nation
Certainly beats emigration.
We do, constantly, everywhere.
What benefits?
Getting your cancer sorted at the NHS, getting stuff cleaned, making your food. Basically all the things that the population are too thick or lazy to do.
@@alanchilds1456 Like where James talked in this video about care workers, or the NHS.
'Train our own.'
We have seen the effect of this. They get trained and then move to Australia, Middle East and other countries for more lucrative offers and better standards of living.
Our government needs to stop borrowing off the banks and come up with a way to reduce our debt and have actual wealth.
@@ibexdnb2879>vote to destroy the economy
>get mad at debt
Pick a lane
Why would anyone stick around working qualified roles in a low pay enviroment when other countries will pay hand over fist for your experience? Of course people will immigrate.
I'm sure you could build in incentives to prevent that though. Like free training contingent on working for the NHS for a certain time.
My proposal: fully payed medical and care training. On the commitment of a certain number of years (to be determined fairly) of working exclusively in public services.
It's mostly people who are frustrated with their underwhelming lives and looking for a scapegoat. It's much easier to demonise the stranger than it is to do some self examination.
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Their families have lived here for hundreds of years and have a headstart on immigrants. When they see immigrants doing far better than them, they can't understand it & are overwhelmed by jealousy & hatred
yep, its human nature
Bull.
@@eguy4337 Perhaps you meant BULLSEYE!!!!!!
What about asking the Great British public what they want, as opposed to telling/lecturing them as to what they should want.
James, why has NO ONE EVER mentioned the NUMBERS of Brits LEAVING Britain, & those who die annually, against the NUMBER of INCOMERS arriving in Britain to Work?????? Just a thought..these mass movements happen regularly, & always seem to INVIGORATE both Societies & Economies...answer on the back of an envelope, please...!
Forage Riots, nailed it, Thank You
I can't believe that Russian propaganda😢😢 has penetrated so much in the UK😢
You've been lied to from the beginning...the Yanks just want Ukrainian mineral wealth to keep up with China 🤷...
Check Scott Ritter out whilst yo😅 at it...
That's the fact that's not getting as much air time I think. It's 100% on the Russian misinformation destabilising the conversation and they've been doing it since at least 2016.
' only ' Russian propaganda ??? ( Can you may be think of another country 'in addition to Russia' ?? )
@@r.b6170 anyway Russia is the most big terrorist state in the world
It's not Russian. It's petrochemical companies. Yes, that includes Russian oligarchs but they were born out of the greed invoked by entities like Exxon and Shell. And it was actually Thatcher who gave them the energy contracts whilst claiming she was getting rid of coal mines bc of global warming. That is in yer face lies. A distraction from the real game those in their ivory towers were playing.
Two tier policing.
It is the lack of ramifications for the Tories COVID Christmas parties. That sort of thing.
This discussion is to muddle the definition and have the plebs look at each other.
And in the likelihood to be stopped-and-searched based on your race.
@weswheel4834 you are talking about white people, right?
@@alanchilds1456 I'm talking about how black people are more likely to be stopped and searched.
Bongo baby.
You are absolutely correct. Two tier means one method of policing for one demographic, another for another. It's a class issue be it upper, middle, working, or foreigner.
My father passed away earlier this year, one year before he was due to retire, following pancreatitis out of the blue, which turned to worst case scenario sepsis - and his pivotal period of vital care overlapped with many NHS strikes, stretched out by the Tories doing absolutely nothing to resolve it.
Our family saw first hand for 8 months how thread-bare the NHS actually is, and when our Dad needed it most - somebody who had worked and paid taxes in the UK all his life - we experienced some critical operations kicked back 2-3 weeks at times because there simply wasn't the staff nor capacity.
We'll now never know how it could have ended, if the NHS had been adequately funded and we had the required number of nurses/doctors (including through migrant healthcare workers) to really support the country's needs.
No serious measures to reduce net migration had been outlined and no targets set. Instead the [new Labour] government have focused on asylum which accounts for less than one tenth of the overall net inflow. Yet, even if they were to achieve a reduction in net migration to 350,000 a year, the population of the UK would increase by 9 million by the mid-2040s. That is roughly the population of central London. The impact on housing and public services will be immense. Thats why people are on the streets
We don’t have the money for them to keep coming and we don’t have enough houses either,you can say about job vacancies and students all you like but it doesn’t change the fact that we don’t have room or money for them
James rocking a Brazilian soccer team-inspired jersey like a boss 😎
We have just had an election and 14% of those who voted let alone the entire electorate are hugely anti-immigration this is not a silent majority the silent majority came out and protected asslyum centres etc. Yesterday.
Even the 14% who voted Reform are mostly against the riots.
You know this how?
@@MaterLacrymarumlol, there was literally a general election we can look at
@@suleydaman No-one had "anti-immigration" in ANY of the manifesto's. So, how did anyone vote for it?
@@MaterLacrymarum Deform party is UKIP, they got 14% of the vote. Their website says:
"Reform UK national political party offering common sense policies on immigration, the cost of living, energy & national sovereignty."
If you can't wrap your head around that then you probably shouldn't be voting anyway.
The morale of the country is so low right now, it is embarrassing for everyone no matter what colour. Just horrible. Can you imagine that my family members in Jamaica are worried about my safety. Sad times.
Yep, I have cousins in America messaging their concerns. It used to be you could really hold your head up as a Brit abroad. Now, internationally, we are an object of pity and derision
From the man who told people to take a shot at Donald Trump
“Train our own? Who are we going to train? Those people setting fire to busses?” ….EXACTLY!!!!
I’m sure there are quite a few people who would benefit from the investment rather than importing others. I know that’s cheaper for business however
Did you know there is a cap on how many people can train to become a GP in the UK? in favour of hiring from outside the country. Go ask starmer why we have that policy in place whilst we are in desperate need of GP's. hmmmm food for thought.
@@highburys is your dream of becoming a GP crushed? ….🥺 yeah, exactly. Thought not.
@@Milkydrummer What was that even supposed to mean though? That because there are a few thugs in those deprived areas, we should just write off everyone there as being irredeemable, rather than investing in their futures?
@@andybrice2711 not at all, and it’s nice to see a coherent and logical retort. I 100% support investing in poorer areas and in people’s futures. But blaming brown people for the lack of investment is just completely missing the point. This is a poverty and poor living standards issue, people are angry (rightly so,) at the MASSIVE inequality between the rich and poor in this country. But that is something to address with politicians. It is not the fault of brown people, whether here legally or illegally. Much more needs to be done, but this is NOT a race issue. (Or at least, it shouldn’t be.) Also, two tier policing is a term that’s been hijacked. That was supposed to apply to the lack of accountability for Boris and his lockdown party antics, those at the head of the post office, the bankers that caused the financial crash, and the lack of convictions for those people relative to the general public. Not, white people vs brown people. That is pure nonsense.
Still celebrating James!!! Having a drink right now, great news, thanks, i hadn't heard!!
The sensible conversation should be quite simple. Do you want to increase the Penson age to 70-75 or do you want to have immigration?
heavily underrated comment!
@@karlmarxinlondon It's really the only conversation. The public have to choose, but no government will state this is fact as it's a no win situation.
Secretly they have chosen immigration, as it's the only answer to the falling birth rate of western societies.
The pension system is a ponzi scheme anyway, yesterdays children are paying for todays pensions
Theres a lot of in between there and is just a disingenuous comment.
Why have you connected immigration with UK state pension age? This is exactly the type of thing James is talking about here. People making connections that dont exist.
I'm a Social Worker who works with adults with disability in Canada. Literally 100% of our staff at our care home are immigrants, including myself ( from USA ). Without foreign workers many healthcare and social care positions would become untenable, causing a dramatic and lethal crash in public services. And yet, I talked with a relative of a client yesterday who without the slightest bit of shame blamed the woes of the world on immigrants. When I politely pointed out that I, a person she had known for 15 years, was also an immigrant she waved it off with "Well you're different" Care to guess what's different about me than most of my coworkers? I just don't understand it
At Uni I had many, many friends from Greece, Spain, Germany, Saudi Arabia etc, they all came from relatively wealthy families and spent a lot of money supporting the local economy which in turn helped keep people in employment, not to mention the tuition fees they paid.
@supernoodls "At Uni I had many, many friends from Greec..." Your wealthy students with every incentive to go back aren't the problem. Do you live under a rock ? Do you seriously think O'Brien makes any sense at all ?
@angusmckenzie9622 says someone who doesn't even know how much foreign students have to pay to study in UK universities😊
@@angusmckenzie9622 What on earth are you talking about? I mean, what point do you think you're making?
@@Conquest_icon I have no idea what point they thought they were making!😂
Lol
Why not just a referendum on immigration. Then we will see. It is supposed to be a democratic country. Why not let the people decide.
LBC you ate losing a lot of listener's because of James O'Brien he is very annoying
I am German. I lived in the UK from 2000 to 2020. My Irish husband (an NHS nurse) decided to leave due to Brexit. We always wanted to live in the EU, so now we live in Germany. I knew of two among my friends who voted Leave, but told me they didn’t mean US. How did you know? 🤔An acquaintance told us he voted Leave and generously told us that, of course, we could stay. As if he‘d have any say in that. By then, we no longer wanted to stay. We‘ve continued to follow British politics and haven’t looked back.
I’m sorry that happened, brexit is one of the biggest mistakes this country has made. I for one am very sorry that it meant the loss of skilled workers, care staff and law-abiding citizens who felt alienated by our incompetence.
We need sensible conversations with Farage Rioters.
Keeps saying a hotel was on fire as though it was Grenfel.
Yet James never mentions the bus or the police car in leeds because it was the foreign people who he clearly only wants to defend them
Also James O'Brien. You are equally as offensive as Farage. Unbelievably condescending!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am forever in awe of people who claim to know what is in the other persons mind, especially when they claim what’s in the other peoples mind just so happens to be aligned with their world bias.
They wont look at the statistics or evidence, everything is anecdotal or off the internet or from an echo chamber. You show them evidence and they dont want to believe it. They genuinely believe no one has been locked up for the grooming scandal and that the police are still turning a blind eye to it.
They live in their own reality
Not hard to be furious when you're constantly being told that pro-Palestine protests are violent mobs of antisemites where everyone walks free. Doesn't matter that it's completely untrue.
"Still turning a blind eye to it" so you acknowledge that, they were indeed turning a blind eye to it. Could have something to do with why some people are angry.
Will you take responsibility if someone attacks Nigel Farage?
😂😂😂 More sympathy for a demagogue than their victims.
@@miguelvelez7221 See protests outside Farage offices and threats. It works both ways!
So, a bit like your juvenile assessment of the Muslim attack on the police at Manchester airport.
No. Not really.
The first step to having sensible conversations about immigration is to not commit pogroms, which obviously make it all about race and religion, not immigration.
The elephant in the room that nobody will discuss is our Illegal wars in the middle east from 2000 onwards that is directly connected to migration..
@s6edge706 Or the centuries of colonisation and neo-colonialisation that enriched the West at the expense and impoverishment of others. Today, 60% of the world's countries are under economic sanctions by the US.
i think we do have 2 tier policing but its rich and poor all this is created from rich people that like us to fight each other so we ignore them
If the rioters had secure, well paid jobs, maybe they wouldn't be rioting. Just ask the Great British public what immigration numbers they want. It was done in 2016, and it can be done again.
I read law at Leeds University and finished up with a masters in UCL in the early 90s as part of a huge number of Malaysian govt scholars sent overseas to countries like the UK and US . I remember at the time the fees we were paying per student was equivalent to the fees of 5 local students, which means that every Malaysian student subsidised the fees of 5 (or more) British students. There were 700 of us in Leeds alone, almost 2 thousand in Manchester, similar number in Liverpool etc. In total we had 11 thousand Malaysian students in British unis then. You should thank us in a way for helping give access (financially) to your own citizens who wanted to obtain university education. Imagine the fiancial pressure on your unis if we didn't send those 11k students. 🙂. I thought about staying on in the UK for gsinful employment and perhaps eventually settling down there (I loved Yorkshire, beautiful area of england) but decided against it because even then I realised we would never be truly accepted as part of British society (I'm muslim btw) . The racial disquiet wasn't overt then , but the feeling that it simmered under the surface was there.
Not quite accurate. The government paid the rest of the home students fees.
James you really are the best 👍
Trying to have a sensible conversation about immigration with the people who call for that is like trying to have a sensible conversation about the shape of the earth with a flat earther.
Rational scientist : "Should we really say it's an oblate spheroid, not a sphere as it's slightly wider at the equator?"
Flat earther : "See even scientists aren't sure about the shape of the earth!"
Rational immigration expert : "Migration numbers are higher than they used to be for a number of reasons".
Anti-imigration man "just asking questions" : " We are being invaded!"
Also, "coming over here learning stuff" might be the biggest laugh I've had all week.
Yeah it’s very hard to have a sensible conversation with the left when people who think “ being prepared for terror attacks is part and parcel of living in a big city”.
The UK has gone from being the “Sceptred Isle” to the “Septic Isle”…..
Try not to patronise or humiliate people who are concerned about high immigration levels James. Unless you have actually walked in their shoes you don't know whether their concerns are legitimate, any more than they know what life is like for an immigrant. If you live in a northern town where there are 300 applications for every shop sales assistant job and the wages are barely minimum wage, it is a very real issue that oversupply of people ensures employers can keep wages at poverty levels. If you silence them with sneers their frustration will inevitably erupt into anger. Remember: compassion for the conned. They have been conned by a system where the poor are at the mercy of the rich and powerful. They have been conned into believing their value lies in whether they have well paid jobs, own their own homes, flashy cars, and not whether they treat other people with compassion.
The issue is this: has immigration been evenly distributed to where the people with the right skills are needed? Or has it often fallen in impoverished areas with only low paid unskilled work available? In areas with high immigration levels have services been made available to help integration or have youth clubs and college courses been closed down? Has retraining been available? Have efforts to attract high-paying employers to the area failed?
Terrified immigrants absolutely deserve compassion and protection. But don't people frightened for their pensions and their children's future deserve compassion too?
Then direct the fear where it is deserved, not the terrified immigrants but the politicians who have not been dealing with the issue of not enough jobs, low salaries and development of AI which will lead to even less jobs for people.
@@michaelkochanewycz972 exactly. After listening with empathy to their situation first. Then you ask what tax we are all paying. On everything we earn, everything we drive, everything we buy, everywhere we live, the clothes we wear. And ask them, gently and kindly, if they think that money has been spent on the things it should have been spent on. On integration, training, street cleaning, youth services, social housing Explain that the immigrants don't get preferential treatment - there just arent enough houses. Explain immigrants pay more tax than they use up. Explain these things kindly, as to a friend and fellow citizen, without point scoring without letting your ego get in the way of connecting to that caller as another human being who didn't get to have a private school education, who may have grown up on a drug-ridden estate where it just isn't safe to act or think differently to your neighbours.
It takes a long time to change people's minds. Years sometimes. You don't do it with one conversation. Traumatised people especially fear changing views. You work at it gradually and patiently, drip, drip, and let them see the evidence for themselves.
It might not make great entertainment. But it could make a difference.
I don’t think James does patronise people who are concerned about immigration. He is quite patient with them I think. He’s the last man standing at LBC on the liberal/ left. That’s why Kelvin McKenzie just appeared on GB News and asked Ashley Tabor to fire JOB. He wants more right wing Zionists like Ferrari, Feltz and Dale. As for the callers, perhaps the starting point should be to point out that there are enormous numbers of Brits who live abroad, including Tommy Robinson, and who do not learn the local lingo or integrate.
@@juniper150 I'm afraid we must differ on this one. My observation is that James, for whom I have otherwise the deepest respect, acts very much according to the accent of the caller. If it's a Northern voice it is treated very differently from a southern one. Understandable that he will relate more easily to people like him: we all do. But it sadly plays in to the notion of the Southern Middle Class Elite who don't listen. And that's sad because you only get through to people if they feel heard first. Take care Juniper, be happy.
@@fionaholland9191 an interesting take, I’ll listen out for that bias on his part. Thanks, you too 🙏🏼
What! not covering the Ricky Jones Story?😂😂😂😂
What ever valid points James may or may not have dissipate by his manner of delivery. Full of snobbery and self righteousness, littered with digs and sneers pointed at those who may not agree with him…..
You say that because you have no argument.
@@patarciepaul Wow well done sir, you’ve no idea what my views are on anything, where I agree with him and where I don’t, yet stated I have no argument. Again well done 👏👏👏
@@NotGodel Not where I come from fella, which part of the UK do you live?
@@patarciepaul Try me...
Always remember, its not the people under you on the ladder, its the people above you pushing you down the ladder...
Those who call for a sensible conversation are the ones who cannot have a sensible conversation if their lives depended on it... Those who come to our country to work and make a better life for themselves and their families are the backbone of our economy whether you like it or not, paying Tax and National Insurance, and making a positive contribution to this country and our society. For instance Where would our NHS be without them? Our Social care system? Hospitality? Small and Large Businesses? The problem we have had here for decades now is our welfare system which has made it pay to sit on your backside and just collect the Giro's as they used to be. And thus these people were never and would never consider getting a job, we have a small minority of Brits that are too lazy to go out to work, hence our friends from overseas coming to fill that void. There are those who have to rely on benefits with genuine reasons, and they do need our support, but it's those who have made a family business of milkng the welfare system for all it's worth who are a drain on this country and it's coffers. Not forgetting those who fraudulantly abuse our welfare system as well But that never get's mentioned anymore, always easier to bash those who come here to work and improve their standard of living by their hard work, than the lazy Brits who don't want to soil their hands with work of any kind. Now that would be a sensible conversation worth having.
They always mean "A sensible conversation but on the one condition that it ends up with you agreeing with my demented opinion". I honestly don't think they walk away from truly sensible conversations thinking "Oh I was wrong - immigrants are welcome and asylum seekers are vulnerable human beings who need our empathy".
And that works both ways.
This is why adversarial debate is not a helpful means by which to arrive at a solution.
@@alberttatlock1541No. it goes one way. Stop pretending it’s equal just because you secretly lean right
With the Wokery failing to separate emotion, reality and logic it is impossible to have a sensible conversation about anything, let alone immigration.
And with O'Briens rants it is only getting harder.
Fascism is ALL 'emotion' and empty aesthetics.
I define wokery as wanting to make the world a better place. You define it as anything preventing it being as spiteful as you want it to be.
History will condemn you, as will your children.
@@guywilletts2804 That definition shows you know nothing of what Wokery has become.
Its just the same argument that Brexit promotors put that we had to many foreigners in agriculture taking our jobs. So Brexit happened and agriculture struggled to get works because people who were born here didn’t want these jobs because the dole was better money.
The biggest reason is actually geographical. People can't afford to travel to these remote locations day after day. Visitors from overseas though will come and stay in caravans or temporary accommodation.
@@themidnightwoodsman1804 so why can’t people from this country do the same?
@terrytopliss9506 If you're tied down with a kid(s) or have a house rental agreement (or mortgage), how do you go off and live in a caravan? And why would you want to?
No comment about the Labour Councillor then James? Didn't think so.
whatabout
Unfortunately, Big Dave down the pub is celebrating.
He thinks that a student not coming here to study to be a doctor somehow opens a job opportunity for him, having 2 GCSEs and a Bronze Duke of Edinburgh award...
Kind of reminds me of Arnold Rimmer from Red Dwarf and his Bronze swimming award.
Nah wrong
Thats not everyones issue, the issue they have is those who come just to sit on benefits and comit crime
@@Straight-Outta-Nottingham oh I see. So were the immigrants who are here to contribute, work and raise a family permitted to vacate the hotel before it was set on fire?
@@vansuddles7727 also, not everyone protesting burned the hotel did they so use ya brain
Bad news for universities. Education was one of our biggest exports
I hope there can be sensible discussions on immigration but am not optimistic about this happening in a country who voted to sanction themselves and shrink their economy (BREXIT) mainly ( not solely) because they wanted to stop immigration. Madness.
You can’t have any kind of conversation with zeolots.
They have put themselves beyond talking.,
Go and read any 20 pages from the Koran, James.
Then come back and tell people why they shouldn't be concerned.
I would simply point out to these people that there are 26.9 million working age white-British people in this country and there are 36.9 million jobs in the UK. Doesn't take a maths wizard to realise that's exactly 10 million less people than we need.
You ever heard of automation... Einstein...🤪🤪🤪
You can't compare the working age population of England with the amount of jobs in the UK because that includes Scotland, Ireland and Wales. You may require that maths wizard.
I read earlier that nearly 3 million people in the UK between 16 and 64 do not work due to long term sickness. Nearly 10 million are awaiting an operation of some kind. Fix that and we'd go a long way to addressing these so-called skills shortages.
@@leethrelfalllt So suddenly we can fill 10 million jobs with robots?
Yup robot carers, robot nurses
how is it nigel and the tate boy still got social media ....................... it should be removed
More left wing poison from James
Typical Leicester city fan.
@@Mogorman87 not sure why that’s an issue🤷♂️
What do you disagree with? Why the attitude? This is why he’s talking about having a sensible conversation, then you turn up with this, completely making his point.
What a shame that there was never a Labour leader, with a more humanitarian approach to this issue, that J O’B could have supported.
so the attacker is a British national Christian, yet they destroy their own cities and go after 'certain' people. strange.
It’s not just care homes or waiters or chefs; what about Professors, doctors, engineers, computer analysts, technical workers…
Nothing is going to be solved with condescending commentary from this guy. Nothing
Nothing will be solved by riots and hate crimes. So why not agree that only way to solve is for two sides to talk peacefully?
@@Natta44 agree with you but until each side stops obsessing with their viewpoints, the deep division remains.
What is going on, insanity everywhere you care to look?
If anyone is slow it’s James on LBC.
The immigration process is dysfunctional. Both immigrants and natives suffer the consequence of this shameful lack of management and control over the immigration process. It is patchy and has so many loopholes. Instead of labelling people who are genuinely concerned about the outcomes they are witnessing the government must fix the process, put competent people in charge and apologise for the negligence that has lead the nation to this outburst of hatred and fear.
You make a very fair point Mina. Thank you. Finally somebody not throwing around the term 'far right'.
brilliantly insightful though I think it's wasted in the sheepish fandom of this flippant fool.
What do you know about UK immigration process ? Do you work for immigration services or are you making things up based on anecdotal evidence or what you heard from the media ?
Tories will never apologise and people clearly have no patience for labour to clean up the 14 year mess the tories made.
@@ibexdnb2879 It is the 'far right' that is inciting these riots - you can't get away from that! People who have so called 'genuine concerns' over the immigration system (which has been ground to a halt by the Tories who have been encouraging the de-humanizing of immigrants, and hatred towards them) do not viciously attack police, target homes, businesses and buildings based entirely on the race or religion of the people there, regardless of whether those people are British citizens, born here or go generations back in this country and damage those buildings, terrorizing the people in them. People who have those concerns but do not condone violence would be expressing those concerns through appropriate channels, from political discussion forums to the ballot box. But people who condone violence have the same views as those carrying it out...
They should treat immigrants same as locals instead of treating immigrants specially. Why have certain places only for immigrants? Why allow certain immigrants to block road on a weekday and practice their religion when can do it in their place of worship? Why are certain immigrants taking over other religions place of worship?
A sensible conversation at LBC!? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
James claimed on the show that no one had phoned in to challenge his views on migration. I phoned in to challenge his views but I didn't get on.
try again, please
I love this show
Your an amazing human being James O' Brien.
no he is not! Never defends the english and he is in favour of mass invasion
Irony of this fella wanting a civilised conversation !
What a breath of fresh air is James. 👍
You mean stench😂
You can't have a sensible conversation with a C grade radio jockey like OBrien.
STOP BLAMING FARAGE. Open ur eyes it’s definitely 2tier policing
So all these immigrants coming over in boats have all been doctors and nurses trying to help our NHS. Why didn't the government say this in the first place and I'm sure we would all have gone out our way to do a Dunkirk and sent over an armada of small boats to help them to come over. Is James really trying to paint the picture that this immigration increase has actually helped our NHS over the years. That's why i had to wait 1.5 years for a hospital check up this year. Bravo James . 👏
I think you don’t understand the way the previous government intentionally allowed waiting lists to build up, and putting your health at risk as it is part of their ideology?
Do you realise that the NHS went to recruit more from Nigeria & elsewhere to replace those EU citizens that left due to the Brexit vote?
What will it take you to understand?
Can we just address the fact that theynare fascists?
I have no respect for the doorhandles who chose to vote for Brexit, and then decided to get scammed twice in a row by the same conman.
Petition to take Farage from Parliament
James O'brien had sensible conversations about immigration, mmmm I find that hard to believe
James is disgusted by ordinary, non rich people it seems 😅 … you can see the contempt on his face when discussing the white working class British
James O'Brien stoking the hate.
Maybe the screeners don’t let them on, but how come no one argues that no one needs to go to the UK to seek asylum. Those arriving in the small boats are coming from France or possibly Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, or Denmark to get to the UK. What is the argument that liberal democracies are oppressing any group?
I don’t think there any people in this world that I dislike more than him
Have you tried not watching? See, I've got this trick where, if I don't like someone, I don't deliberately come to the channel and point out how much I don't like coming to the channel. Just avoid things you don't like. Might make you happier, but I doubt it.
@@Stoic_grimace ah, you might have missed, LBC actually post quite a few videos which don't have James O'Brien in. Keep your eye out, you might see one!!
@@Rhys_marshall1 So what, you still chose to comment on this one. You didn't comment on this video about how much you like Nick Ferrari did you?
@@Stoic_grimace what hahahahaha
How about, start with the ability to distinguish between the issues people have with mass immigration of the last few years, vs sensible levels seen for the 60 years after WW2
The big increase during the Blair gov was bad enough, but the sharp increase during the past couple of years is even worse.
@@DavidZ4-gg3dm
Yes. It has gone exponential.
When you close down legal routes, it is difficult to then keep on top of who is coming in and how many.
Interesting how, ironically, immigration levels went parabolic after officially leaving the EU. Want to reduce immigration? Rejoin the Single Market!
@@theraljaxtinThe numbers have started going up dramatically long before the referendum.
Hospitality counted on immigrants coming over as many will do it for some time to learn the language and then go back home. Nowadays it’s hard to find stuff, cause nobody likes to work 15h per day and be paid minimum wage, but for foreigners that’s gold, some young people used to just come for the summer and do some work experience and then go back before the new school year starts. It is ridiculous how low the uk went since brexit was announced!
This man talks too much,and listens too little!
What is it that he's not heard?
Farage is probably the most intelligent of all these "natives" and "patriots".
Yet he can't even figure out who he's angry at and why. He went from illegal immigrants, to Asylum seekers to police to black crime in one interview. Jumping from one to the next rather than being specific about exactly what it is that he's angry about.
Saying patriotic mumbo jumbo and buzz words isn't particularly interesting to anybody who isn't an ignorant xenophobe
@@NotGodel That sounds a little prejudiced to me...