I do have an issue with someone having that many children. With 19 kids, there is no possible way they are able to give them all the care and attention they need as individuals. At a certain point, I think it’s wrong and cruel to have so many children. The older children also end up as caregivers. So, on top of not getting the love and attention they need, they’re not enjoying a childhood because they’re parenting their younger siblings.
They even admit to having a buddy system where she is their first buddy (parent) until weaning and then they get passed to an older sibling so she can have another. It’s unfair to the young and older children cuz the little kids get passed around and push parenting duties on the kids themselves
I have 3 young children, and that is a lot. I think when she had 5-6, Michelle was overwhelmed with kids and laundry, cooking ect and had a breakdown. Then they implement grandma doing laundry and having kids being the “helpers.” No possible way to give the kids the attention and live they need. She basically took care of them until they were 2, then the older child took over, And she got pregnant again. It’s part of the messed up quiverfull movement.
Yes, in the past people had many kids because child mortality was very high. So families actually ended up raising 2-4 kids on average even if they gave birth every 2 years. People who give birth every 2 years now are not following traditional life, they are simply endangering their/their wives' health for no reason
let’s not forget that the parents literally set up the children’s rooms such that josh had to pass the parents bedroom to get to the girls. they knew everything that was going on. the basically had the girls quartered off protecting one another instead of kicking him out. so sick.
@@Ima_robot I don't feel it's my place to out a potential victim but I feel Josh has possiblity assaulted his male sibling under the guise of "mentoring" and uses this as blackmail.
The Duggars not wanting to send their precious Josh to a "treatment center" where god is missing and he might catch a 'secular-heathen-satanic-therapy cold'... makes sense. Cuz he OBVIOUSLY has learned true values, morality, kindness, and not to touch lil kids by his parents Christian, religious teachings. Praise god.
Right? I dont think the other kids could have been worse than him...unless they legit had ted bundy jr in that facility. Ironically its the other families that should have been worried about their kids being exposed to Josh.
I heard that one of the girls isn't allowed to even go in the house anymore because she's embracing a more free approach to Christainity. It disgusts me that that's the case.
@@jellogirl2010 YES! The second oldest daughter jill requires permission from duggar patriarch Jim Bob to enter the main house, attend family events, and so on because gasp she decided to send her kids to public school (among other things). Meanwhile predator Josh still attended events up until his arrest where who knows how many small, vulnerable children were running around 🤮
My son is 18 months old. He doesn’t speak full sentences yet and only knows a handful of words. He still takes a bottle and want to be held in my arms when he takes it. I still rock him to sleep before putting him in a his crib. That’s how little 18 months old is. I literally can’t even imagine how anyone could hurt such innocents and such helplessness. It’s makes me feel physically sick.
I don't like children, I don't have a maternal instinct, but I do have a protect-the-innocent-regardless-of-age instinct, which I assume is something positive about being human. Why would someone go against that? Even I, DISLIKING children which is better than saying 'I like children' due to these negative connotations, would be a better babysitter. I'd at least make sure they don't stick their fingers in wall sockets or the oven or door hinges.
18 months old isnt even a toddler yet, how does anyone see something so innocent and small as a potential partner? When I see a baby, I see something that has unconditional love and trust, they don't know the horrors of the world yet and someone is attracted to that? Kids that age are still grabbing your hand, and trying to tug you along to someplace they want to go, kids that age are still trying to play with their siblings and cousins, kids that age are watching mickey mouse!
There is a woman who was sold into sex slavery and talks about how when she cried for a bottle her step dad would put his penis in her mouth. Narcissistic people who only seek to pleasure and soothe themselves do not have the cognitive ability to think about others, or the emotional ability to empathize. Therapy does not work send them all to an island.
It makes me sick that the Duggar parents have made multiple statements expressing their love for Josh and concern for his emotions, but have not said anything about their daughters or what they must be going through. They clearly either have no idea how sexual trauma affects people long term or just don't care.
They were even worse than that. They acted like it was the DAUGHTERS whoninstigated it and that they needed to make amends with their brother for all the trauma HE went through because of it. They even made the girls make an apology on NATIONAL TELEVISION. 🤬
It's likely that they themselves before becoming parents had also experienced child abuse as children. This is what continues the cycle. Also victim blaming like they did as @hellisamongrel wrote also shows they don't think what happened was that bad or traumatic. That gives a clear indication that they view this kind of abuse as okay because they're justifying what happened in their own history as "normal" so they don't have to address their own internal problems and the current issue of the abuse their son committed against their own daughters.
the duggars: "you ruined josh's life cause you forgot to wear your dress 3 feet past your ankles one time, you shouldn't be a h@rl0t" the duggar daughters on the inside: "we followed all your stupid rules.
Not to mention the revolting interview where they turned the convo about josh into a convo about how “trans people want to pee in their bathroom of choice so they can hurt our kids” bullshit.
Josh's sisters must feel so trapped and worthless...knowing that he was just allowed to get away with what he did to them with little to no repercussion
@@danika94butterflys yes he is kinda but. You have to understand that they were in a cult and all. Baby steps he is still way better than the other husbands and actually is pushing his wife to be more responsible maybe Jill’s children will end up being normal.
I was raised in this cult. And I was groomed for a year and later raped by a man in my church. When the pastor and his wife found out, I was shamed and ostracized, while the man was not effected at all. I was fifteen at the time. This happens so often in the fundie church. I witnessed so much. One of my closest friends was also raped at the same time. And she was thirteen. It's disgusting. Abhorrent.
I know I can't do much of substance to help, but I'm really sorry for what happened to you and I hope you're feeling better now, though I certainly wouldn't blame you if not.
It's sickening that Josh while out on bail for CP still gets to see his children with his wife present. I don't care how many people are "present" he should only be allowed to see his children if they are separated by glass and have to speak through a phone. He needs to be in jail where he can't hurt anymore children.
Plus, we all know that wife will leave the room if he tells her to. She's been indoctrinated to follow her husbands word like it was the word of God. Fuck man....
I don’t think he will be at the trial, if you know what I mean. Looking down the barrel at 40 years in prison for CP that is forbidden in their cult and knowing he will be disowned by his parents when convicted, effectively leaving him homeless without a job and 7 children to support, he will take the coward’s way out.
@@blujaebird he can with supervision Edited to add, he can’t live with them. He’s on house arrest essentially with family friends who have no underage children. He cannot have any access to anyone under 18 with the exception of his own with his wife present. So he can’t go to where they live and see them. They have to go to him. Still dumb, and he should never be around any child ever again. Emily D. Baker broke down the bail ruling very well I think
@@stealthreporter5122 interesting point. There's actually a discussion in this vein on reddit on the duggarsnark subreddit and honestly a lot of people think Josh is too arrogant and narcissistic to take himself out. Like his smiling in his mugshot really makes it seems like he thinks he's going to get away with it (like he has before). Also regarding being disowned, you really have to wonder. These charges came out and reading the facts it's seems pretty clear that he did what they're charging him with. And yet his family is so far supporting him and asking people to pray for him. So really I wonder what it will take for him to be ex communicated when nothing so far has lead to that outcome
“As young as 18 months”..... genuinely felt sick, had chills, and teared up. Holy sh!t. The other thing is that his parents defended their abusive son, and in so doing, also enabled their daughters’ abuser. I don’t understand how they could not be horrified by their son’s malicious actions towards their innocent daughters. It makes me sick. I hope he goes to prison for a long time.
@@imastatistic8347 this was the reason that the president of the Philippines wanted to reinstate the death penalty. He wanted the creator of that film dead. I can't blame him. That movie ran 10 grand per download God knows if that asshole paid that much for it. It was the 18 month old that died. I just have no sympathy or good weird about people like this, especially as a survivor of CSA.
One of my sisters old friends was just sentenced to 2 years in prison. She had been babysitting this little girl for years and right under everyone's noses, she had been producing and selling CP of this little girl. The mother of my sisters friend still thinks her daughter is innocent and actually blames this on the 6-10 year old child. It's so...surreal when something like this happens so close to you. You start second guessing all of these things that could have been red flags that you maybe just missed.
@@asioflammeus4846 I absolutely, 100% agree with you there. Apparently she had a good lawyer, according to my sister, who was being paid for by a rich friend of the family. I'm not surprised though, given how lax some people are about female pedophiles.
@@sebastianamero4217 that is absolutely despicable. every pedophile or person who creates pedophilic content deserves to spend the rest of their life in jail, male or female. I feel like the justice system is so rigged, and that many people in power are pedos themselves which makes things harder (just speculation)
@@xyxyxylophone unfortunately I believe it depends on the severity of the CSAI involved. As far as the “people in power” thing, there’s nothing useful in suggesting that. Pedophilia has existed forever and we need to figure out why and how to eradicate it. Blaming faceless monsters doesn’t help, demanding good science does.
@@chomka426 As much as I don't really think the death penalty should be used in most cases I make exception for this kind of vile crime, therapy shouldn't even so much as become an option unless the person has been proven to not have acted upon these sickening "desires", but once someone actually tries that kind of thing without seeking help first I say chop their thing off and shove a needle in their arm, good fkn riddance 😡 I'd pay top dollar to watch that show 😋🍿
@@chomka426 He sure doesn't act like he cares anyway. If he did, he would be okay with facing the punishment he deserves instead of denying everything. Like, take some responsibility for your actions, it may be the only thing you have going for you.
@@DoctaOsiris nah, death is an easy way out. Making him sit in prison for the rest of his life, making him suffer the very real consequences for his actions, THAT'S a punishment. Having to live in incarceration (not that I agree with the current for-profit prison system) would force him to actually think about his life and the downright sick, awful and disgusting thing he did. Death would be too easy for someone like Josh Duggar who would probably die with a smile on his face thinking God will forgive him.
My family found out about my brother's SA towards me 30 years ago ... I am 60 now and to this day they stand with him. I was brought up in a very strict religious, abusive home and I lost my 6 siblings because they believe him and not me. I found this really hard to watch but I think you did an amazing job of it Rachel xxx
Since Josh was around 13-14 when he assaulted his siblings, I wonder if something even more was going behind the scenes possibly in their church and community. Usually when children and young teenagers sexually assault others their age or younger, its almost always because they have also been sexually assaulted and abused. Considering how incredibly sheltered their children are and how a 'close' friend of the dad is now in jail for CP, I have an unfortunate suspicion.
I had the same thought. The dad going to that friend for guidance and asking him to talk to Josh suggests that he had been a large influence in joshes life already. Giving that man ample opportunity to have hurt him when he was a child. Thereby in a way, creating the monster he has become. (Nit saying every child who is abused becomes an abuser themselves, but there are many studies that suggest it happens more often to children who were previously abused themselves.)
Especially bc josh went to his dad and confessed so early. Like he was literally asking for help and they sent him to build houses. I wonder if after that he just gave up at trying to resist his trauma, urges, whatever. That’s so... screwed up. If they had sent him to a real psych center, could things have been better? Less victims at least.
@@ko379 he actually didn’t confess. it was jill who went to the parents when a younger sibling came to her because she was scared and uncomfortable. jim bob and michelle told the police that josh had admitted it first to make it seem better than it actually was.
Nothing angers me more than those parents. They protected their abuser son over their abused daughters. They 100% enabled him and it is what led to his recent behavior. I feel so bad for his wife, to an extent. She is trapped in a marriage with this man with several kids and no way to become independent and escape him/his family because of the cult she joined.
She has a way she just won't take it. She can get a lawyer and get full custody and the house in the divorce AND make Josh pay her alimony AFTER taking half or more of his accumulated wealth. After everything he's done I don't see her not winning in court, but she won't do it.
The whole thing is beyond heartbreaking. I don't think Anna "joined" this group, but more was born into this fundamental mindset and then the match was encouraged by her parents. She was too young and sheltered to know the real deal with Josh
@@Andykyoshi I read that a few years ago, her brother tried to help her get away from him and help her get a divorce - he offered to pay for everything. She declined.
Having that many children isn’t a good idea at all. You can’t possibly give every child the attention there they need. It forces the older children to grow up too fast as they have to help raise their brothers and sisters
Are all of the Duggars healthy (Only after posting I realized they are not...cuz...Josh is one of them)? Because having children back to back to back till infinity first and foremost is a hit on woman's body. It can't provide everything each baby needs if you get pregnant like that. I know two families (8 kids and 11 kids). Not all are healthy.
Also, how in the fuck do people have that many kids without starving? Seriously, most people struggle financially with a couple kids, let alone 19! They're so fucking stupid. 😒
Jim Bob claims to support the family and children, yet sweeps Josh’s actions under the rug and is paying for his sons expensive lawyer. Sick narcissist
His daughter Jill and her husband had take legal action to get the TV money they were owed and because they now follow slightly different rules, still Conservatives Christians though, she has to ask permission to visit the family home but Josh had no such restrictions after his scandals.
@@debbiemckeown7626 I remember the fallout over the money. Which shows Jim bob only cares about the money. All the money goes to him. So happy Jill is making her own decisions and not under “the umbrella” of her father. Including getting her own therapy for Mental health. I really hope her and the girls will see the light one day. Sad that because she is literally choosing to live differently (although still religious ) she’s treated like being shunned. Jim bob 100% cares about power and money. in the fundamental sect of the religion women are treated like nothing. There’s a reason why Abuse and CSA is common with fundie churches.
“No touching, no kissing, no being alone together, definitely no sex” so basically everything I need to decide if I can have a suitable relationship in which we’re both fulfilled. Gotcha. Edit: But it all changes when married! ”Michelle said on Today in 2014. “Anyone can fix him lunch, but only one person can meet that physical need of love that he has, and you always need to be available when he calls.” Yiiikes. Makes me sad.
I grew up in a Christian family and I still faithfully attend church but something both my parents drilled into mine and my sisters' heads are that sex is for US too. Not just our future spouses and that "no means no" and that the wife is basically the NECK of the family. My dad wasn't the ultimate authority, he usually deferred to my mother for an opinion or decision. So when we found out about the Duggars, we were more than shocked and disgusted that this was even a way of living.
“When he calls........”. What are they, call girls? The saddest thing about this cult (and most every other cult I’ve seen) is that they give birth to female babies who are unable to take care of themselves, express their emotions, and make decisions and they keep them that way.
There are certain crimes that should not be allowed to be given bail for, this is one of them, it shouldn't matter who you are, a disgusting crime like this should mean jail no matter what 😡
@@WColdblooded357W Oooh, that's a good one, it'd be a bit like that Twilight Zone episode where people with that thing on their forehead had to be completely ignored as though they were invisible 🤣 I could definitely get behind that idea! 🤣 Try to cover it up with a hat? No problem, it'll just burn straight through the hat, ain't hiding that from anyone! 🤣
@@LaraCroftEyes1 I'd love that kind of thing to be put into law, it's about time we stood up against these perverts, jail alone isn't nearly enough tbh...
I've always dislike this family but omg they are the worse. Not a family just a sick cult, the fact the parents know what happened to their young daughters and did nothing about it is heartbreaking
I’m so glad you pointed out all of their statement where they said they condemn “all pornography” because that irritated me so much. They’re attempting to lump the violation and abuse of innocent little kids to the viewing of professional and consenting adults having sex. It’s so sickening and sad that they view them as equally bad because they’re not.
"It is evil! And that's our son therefore he's an exception because SoN lOl. Go and live on a farm." "I'm not cured." "Great, the kids need lunch chop chop." Ugh. That's like me saying I'm against the death of living things and then... go around killing spiders because they're 'gross'. No. As another comment said. Child S-xual Abuse Material, where it's not been consented to and cannot in the /slightest/, does not compare to the consentual FunTime Adult Material where everybody knows and agrees to what's going on and won't be traumatised.
i was gonna play devils advocate because i grew up with religion and i think every deserves a fair chance, but given the circumstances of my life and how i left religion myself, honestly you are correct.
I wouldn't be this rash. I grew up with religion (Catholic) and we all just went to church and fucked off. That's how I like it. When you start getting into like, daily group activities is where shit is crazy. That's when it becomes less about God and more about who ever can speak FOR God.
@@angieortega5209 these people aren’t Christians. These are just terribly shitty people who try to use religion as an excuse to cover up their bigotry. Don’t worry about them. They don’t represent true Christianity 💜
Also, the “friend” state trooper Josh was sent to, was also later busted and arrested for CP... So if anything, Josh was only ever enabled there and more than likely taught how to be a better/sneakier criminal. I’m sure they got off to the pictures together while Josh stayed with him. UPDATE: 22:55 OH, you just covered it!!! I wasn’t sure if you were going to or not because not too many people know about the state trooper also being a creep
I come from a Christian family and our father encouraged us to explore our beliefs for ourselves. My four siblings and I all go to different churches. We all still practice beliefs but some of us are Lutheran, some of us go to a Presbyterian church of America and another one of my sisters drifts from church to church. But none of us have left the church altogether because we were allowed to explore and make decisions when it came to how we worship and what we believe.
@@MandieTerrier Exactly. I can't force my decision to wait until marriage on other people and quite frankly, I don't want to. It's something I do for myself and I don't even feel superior about it.
A friend of mine is a Mennonite. Her and her husband found that religion as adults and felt called to it. But they aren't demanding their kids be it. Their kids go to a catholic private school, and socialize with all faiths. I was raised catholic, but never felt comfortable in it, and then after searching found Judaism 7 years ago. My husband is still catholic. I don't really care what my son becomes. He gets exposed to all of it.
I just feel sick for all of the children being brought up in quiverfull households, it's such a vile practice. They all need therapy, starting with Josh's children, I'm so worried about them. Also, what a terrifying position Josh's wife is in - if she divorces him, she'll likely be cut off from both sides of her family and as far as I know, she's never worked before, and has another child on the way. But if she stays... it's just awful what this religion has done to these women
She would have one support system in her brother from what I understand. He left their church and lifestyle and he has basically begged her to leave. Maybe I’m wrong but he has offered to come get her and her children before.
@@katfoster845 who could she lose custody to? Family court doesn't fvck around w accusations of child abuse, and I doubt JB&M have enough reality tv millions to get custody away from the childrens' own mother. Do you know something about this I don't? It seems to me like she wouldn't have a problem with that piece at least...
@@BooksToAshes, true. I will never stop expecting the state to rise above people's need for revenge. That's what we both feel right now, and it can be difficult to let go of. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
I like to say "forced birthers," for the same calling-a-spade-a-spade reason, because the government intrusion is a big piece of my objection to the whole issue. But at the very least "pro birth," I agree.
@@goodnightmyprince6734 more like future victims for predators. Kids who grow up in under privilaged homes expireance higher rates of abuse and are more easily groomed...these people are just trying to keep their supply of potential victims high.
I think anti-abortion rights is the right way to go, just like I'm pro-abortion rights. I'm not pro-abortion because that might imply I want pregnancies terminated in general, when I just think the option should be there. Pro-life and pro-choice are just the typical American obfuscation of the issue; you can't even tell the issue is abortion from those labels.
I don't know anything about them but jesus christ their empathy must be stuffed so far back their brains, probably behind all the religious fodder, with the way they have acted.
Maybe put the blame where it really belongs: the readers and viewers. If the family didn't sell magazines and bring in advertising dollars, their shows and mention of them would have stopped years ago.
@@Tommykey07 But bottom line, after one season, if the viewership wasnt there to generate ad revenue, the show would have been canceled and no supply. If putting them on the cover of magazines sold fewer copies, they wouldn't use them thus, no supply. The public was fascinated with these people and created the demand.
As someone training in Social Work as a child welfare specialist what most concerns me about his being out on bail is who is protecting his children? This is such a sensitive topic and if they are trying to keep any information about the potential abuse of his own kids from the media I totally understand. But based on everything I have learned and experienced so far I really really really hope that CPS is talking to Anna and the kids. Mostly about how Anna needs to be the protective parent for her children.
Anna seems like the kind of mother who would blame the kids being abused for "tempting" a man rather than blaming her husband for his abuse. So I 100% echo your concerns about the saftey of his children.
I say this as a Christian: she needs to divorce him immediately, fight for full custody & get a restraining order. No way in HELL I’d let him anywhere near my kids after that
The parents are garbage people who exploited their children for money. They cared more about protecting their Golden boy Josh the pest than the well-being of their daughters and they’re living with that trauma to this day.
And if he'd been send to REAL therapy at the age of 14-15, there was a slight possibility that he'd NOT reoffend, considering he'd really want to change and understood the impact his crimes (sic!) had. So this "protection" really screwed ALL of them: parents deepend the girls' trauma and deprive Josh of the chance for changing his behaviour.
I’m surprised he’s only been caught now, since rumors of his (alleged) deplorable behavior have been circling for years and years. Anyways, I hope you’re feeling alright, having had covered such a heavy topic; go hug Kyra either way! 🥰🥰
Some American context that you might have missed (updated as I watch): ~20:00 State troopers are basically police, you’ve got that right 23:50 the statute of limitations for anything but the most serious crimes differ by state and county, so if he did child abuse in another state way back then it’s quite possible he can still be charged for that at least This kind of thing doesn’t just apply to child abuse, of course; in some states, it was still not possible for a wife to be raped by her husband until very recently (1993), and even then some states make distinctions between marital rape or rape between non-married partners, or narrowly define rape as sex under “force or threat of force,” which means raping your unconscious wife after spiking her drink is still not rape in Oklahoma and, if memory serves, Ohio
Apparently the feds caught wind of him in 2018 and seized his computer fill of CSAM off his car lot and have been building their case ever since until they were sure they could get him convicted.
The Duggar’s are awful they forgive and support josh after all his sins but the daughter Jill wears jeans and pierced her nose and she is now estranged from the family banned from the main home. She is a decent person by all accounts they treat their daughters like slaves with no rights
This video was respectfully done while also being an excellent way to understand this situation. I like how much passion you brought to this topic. To advocate is essential and I think this can really open a dialogue for the discussion around advocacy for children in these situations. Thank you for the work you put into this one.
I was really touched by how she got choked up while talking about the types of images he possessed. It really shows she has a good heart and cares deeply about the victims.
My brain goes to "Cerebral Palsy" because a good friend of mine has the condition and that's often how she and other people used to abbreviate it. Not any more, for obvious reasons.
@@jakerockznoodles yeah, my sister has Cerebral Palsy and I thought the same. I hear they’re trying to change the “bad CP” to CSAP or something similar to be clearer and less confusing.
I am a Christian, but this is why I absolutely despise the so-called purity Culture and fundamentalists and the shame that comes with counseling in a lot of places. Because in these types of circumstances therapy is 100% needed and jail time is absolutely needed. I don't know how this man got out. He should be rotting in jail.
I'm a Christian too. That "purity culture" is horrible. It was tied to so many problems growing up. I've got nothing but disdain for it. Just look at the problems it caused. Josh and both parents should be in prison for the rest of their lives. Those women need therapy and teaching about what God actually wants for women.
Absolutely agree that the Quiverfull Movement is a ripe environment for these predators to flourish. My heart goes out to Anna, though, as she has been given a sub-par education and no life or job skills and is essentially dependent on this monster's family for support.
I remember watching this show as a kid with my mom. It was treated as this great thing that one kid didn't have his first kiss until their marriage. Looking back on it, it's horrifying.
And it's not like they can claim it is false accusations or anything, Josh literally confessed to them, instead they are actually justifying it which just has to be the most infuriating fucking thing
Thanks for this video:) still watching but I wanted to give my take as a sociology major: the push for white, baptist families to have more children is about white supremacy, not just the indoctrination of children into Christian values. It's about not losing the "race war" and trying to grow the "white race." It's just like in the Nazi regime encouraging pregnancy and domesticity was about growing populations they wanted and exterminating populations they didn't. It's much more sinister.
Spend a little more time with the science students, you'll discover that 'race' isn't even a valid divisor of homo sapiens sapiens. Race isn't real. One day people will stop playing the stupid 'race' game, and that day will be a very very good day.
@@themudpit621 let's stop with the racism denial. your privilege is showing. you're one of those people that says they are color blind and then cross the side of the street when a black person walks by lmfao
@@themudpit621 I mean we dont want to divide people based on their race, but people do it anyway. Racism exists, and it's a sad fact. ALSO BLACK PEOPLE DO BETTER IN THE SUN SO WHY ARENT WE JEALOUS OF THEM
Imagine 19 kids all having an average of 5 kids would give you 95 grandchildren. Same with the 95 grandchildren would get you 475 in the next generation. Assume the average is 8 kids each. 152 grandchildren and 1,216 great grandchildren! They're truly keeping the numbers up for religious and racial control.
A clip from their tv show popped up in my feed where one of the older sister talks about sharing a room with all of her sisters. It was their choice to share a room together and it really starts to make sense considering that they weren't being protected.
How protected is the question.Jinger just went public with how traumatic it was for her when stranger who visited her parents was using her bed when staying over night. Hearing the pain in her voice when teĺling this, I couldnt wonder what she.wasnt telling
His children range from 18months to 11 years, Anna is pregnant with baby No 7. He apparently tried to blame other workers at the car lot, including his own brother. The Duggar's are also guardian to Michelle's great nephew, Tyler.
Part of me wonders if he views these images as surrogates for his twisted desires of harming his own children. It cant be coincidental that the images range in the same ages as his own kids. Its not even that common for preadtors to have that wide of an age range so I wonder if his kids ages play a part which only makes things even worse.
@@vianjelos Considering it had monitoring software that went to his wife I kinda assumed that was the case. A therapy they both agreed to save their family from his urges... pretty twisted but no more messed up than anything else they believe.
@@vianjelos Those were the ages of two of the kids in a very notorious sick torture film that leaked off the dark web-- there are rumors that is one of the CSAMs Josh had, and that he'd downloaded and deleted it several times. Probably true because of the ages, one of the FBI agents saying how disturbing some of the material was, and Josh is basic and thinks he can get away with whatever, so he'd seek that out. I think people are avoiding saying too much about it or name dropping it because it's so horrible. I'm sure he had other horrible images of kids in that age range too. I hadn't thought about that being the age range of his own kids. Disgusting.
@@FreyaEinde I'm not sure too much about monitoring software to the wife because the FBI brought out how tech savvy Josh was and he was able to do split drives, where his wife would have no idea what he's doing on the other side the dark website. He'd give her passwords for regular things she thinks that she's looking at everything hell no the FBI said he had things so covered up it was one of the top worst fives the FBI have ever seen. An age-ranging from under 18 months to 5 years was the highest things he was looking at. And in very horrible ways. The worst.
Josh shouldn’t get credit for “coming clean”. Jill was the one who spoke up any Josh admitted it afterwards. Now Jill is kicked out of the family. She hasn’t seen them for over two years, yet they housed Josh after they knew the CP investigation was happening and are also paying for his legal team. Isn’t Jim Bob a great Christian man?! 🙄
BC if you're a man in that kind of family, you're supposed to be like *RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH* no matter what Lol seriously, it's not only immoral but it's also super fuckin dumb how they literally value the males above the females in literally all circumstances. Even if the man is a dumbass and the woman is smarter in some situation, MAN BETTER! CAUSE GAWD!
She is reportedly say Josh was, "Set up by the Biden administration." The investigation STARTED when Trump was in office. She's delusional, and at this point, I don't think she knows which way is up. She's been so thoroughly indoctrinated, I'm not sure she's capable of even wanting to escape. Her children are in grave danger, imo.
Why is the concern always in regards to reputation with these people? It's always "it was a mistake!!1!" Or "He was young! He has his whole life ahead of him!!" Or "what will people think about *us* if you punish him?"
It’s not just sexual repression, it’s unhealthy exposure and attitudes surrounding sex, which comes with either extreme of the spectrum. There are plenty of monsters today that had unfettered access to sexual materials, including extreme porn, from a young age, and everything in between. So it’s pretty impossible to draw a direct parallel between Josh’s upbringing and his fucked in the head decisions.
I think it's not only the sexual repression, it's also the lack of emotional fulfilment. If you have to compete for your parents' attention and love with an ever growing number of siblings, you start looking for validation whereever you can. And if you get to feel powerful from exerting your authority over your younger siblings, you take that. I'm pretty certain that Josh became so messed up because of his messed up family conditions.
Thank you for making this video. I live in Arkansas, the same state as the Duggars, and this has been sickening to watch happen over the years. Our system, especially locally to where they live, is so corrupt. They are exactly the same as Josh, the family is friends with people in high places, and they have no interest in holding him accountable. Federal charges are the only hope of seeing justice.
The older sister Jill is married to a man recently a law school graduate , she wears jeans pierced her nose and plans pregnancies cuz she has to have c sections. She also raised many of her siblings. She is estranged from the family snd is not allowed at her parents house. But josh wish all his evil lives on the parents property The diggers treat their daughters as slaves with no rights at all
Rachel, I'm crying too. Every part of this is horrible, and your strength and will to talk about it is impressive. Few things in this world should be sacred, but children should always be. How anyone can do those things to children is....I simply don't have the words. Your ex father-in-law is one of the true heroes in this world. As a child of two prosecutors I know they all dread the cases of CP. Very few can handle working with it, but a few people in the police force seem to be able to turn it into their mission in life to send people like Josh Duggar in prison. I have no idea how they can endure it, but somehow they do, and we don't thank and respect them nearly enough for it.
Kinder, Küche, Kirche The 3 K of being a "good German woman" they'd actually give awards to women who got many children for "great service to their country and race"
Then you don't understand it as well as you think. The first nation founded on Enlightenment principles (the Rights of Man, Representative democracy, and (theoretical) universal rights). Just because we have a flawed past doesn't mean that our history isn't something to be proud of. We were ahead of the curve in nearly every way, most of Europe was controlled by monarchy until WW1, so it can't be denied that in spite of the bad, we have a much better past than pretty much any other country. TL;DR: the lows of American history were far from the lowest, and the highs were definitely the highest (at least if you value Freedom)
@@userequaltoNull Or maybe I do and just don't find anything in our history more valuable than the tens of millions of lives that were savagely stolen by our ancestors in pursuit of building a nation. I have the right to my opinion and I don't need a lecture simply because you don't agree. Thanks, bye 👋
@@jorgesalaber1730 Did you know that the foundation of our society, democracy, was being practiced by the native cultures in the US before the Europeans stole the idea then essentially committed genocide to steal their land?
Other than the children I think that another victim in this story is Anna. I don't think she's had much of a choice in all this and she's probably been subjected to so much fundamentalist brainwashing to completely brush off what Josh did to his sisters. She's got a tough road up ahead as she's going to have to raise seven kids all by herself and she's not going to be able to get divorced because even if you're husband is a monster who should rot in hell, divorce is still a big no no. I just feel sorry for her.
I agree, she's a victim too. She clearly had no way of making an informed decision when she got married to him, and now she has no way of leaving him, and no support if she does it.
I don’t know how accurate this is for the Duggar’s particular brand of fundamentalism, but my mum and I both were watching a former fundamentalist Christian explaining how in the eyes of a lot of other people they go to church with, Anna would get the blame for his sexual deviancy because it is her failing to completely satisfy his sexual “needs”. It is disgusting and I’m saddened by what his children could’ve potentially suffered (clearly incest isn’t an issue for him either) and I hope that those kids and Anna get all the help they need
Especially since her youngest ones were premies because they were irresponsible and decided to have more kids despite her advancing age coupled with her body being worn from all the previous kids.
In one of my anthropology classes we learned that the pelvis cracks every time a woman gives birth, and when it heals it's just a tiny bit wider than it was. So after a certain number of children there is actually less support for the baby from the pelvis as the opening gets wider. Our teacher brought up the Duggars as an example of how pregnancies get more difficult the more children you have.
@@vianjelos iirc the last pregnancy she had miscarried, so I can only hope her body calls it quits for good and stops at 19, instead of continuing to aim for 20. ://
My blood boils every time I think of Josh and his parents. A lot of this is the result of being raised in an ultra conservative family, refusing to educate your teens on sex because it's too "secular" of a topic and then they're suddenly unable to discern between appropriate and inappropriate behavior. On top of that, they're taught that the "man" has full authority over "women", like it was an idea instilled in Josh's mind and is probably why he justified his actions. NO ONE ever deserves to be abused in this way, shape or form. It's abhorrent, disgusting, unforgivable and I very much hope that ONE DAY he lives with the same amount of suffering his siblings and the other victims had to face because of him.
Hey just wanted to fact check a little bit! I’m from Little Rock and I just wanted to let you know that Little Rock is a city. The way it was worded made it seem like that facility was called Little Rock. The place Josh Duggar went to was owned by the Institute in Basic Life Principles.
Basic Youth Principles/Basic Youth Conflicts headed by Bill Gothard, found guilty of sexually harassing female workers. In the 60’s I spent a lot of time and money on his conferences, even involving my children. Most of his ideas were good, but the bad ones tainted everything. The devil loves it when don’t pay close enough attention to the whole message.
Honestly, with the way the parents have defended and enabled Josh’s actions, I think somebody needs to do some digging into Jim-Bob’s past. It certainly seems like he has some skeletons in his closet
Anna said in an interview she knew what Josh did before they got married. She said something like “I knew of his sin before we were officially courting.”
In that case, I have much less sympathy for her. She should have never had children with this monster nor allowed him to be anywhere near the kids. She knowingly allows her young, vulnerable children to be in close proximity to a known predator :( sickening
Anna did not know the full implication of this. The fathers hid the truth of these abuse incidents from her. She is painfully naive. She didn't even know what sex was until two weeks before her own wedding.
My mom wanted to introduce similar ideas to me and my siblings growing up. We were homeschooled and she was slightly into more fundamentalist Christian ideas. Ironically my dad who is a pastor and would be considered the “patriarch” of the family shot down and yeeted most, if not all of them every time they were presented. Thanks, Dad. 🙏
you're such a good hearted and sensitive woman, Rachel. The content you make is very valuable, i believe.I've seen my own family members cover for a child molester too, it's so baffling and wrong. The it's the ultimate betrayal, but raising awareness can help a lot.
There is a TH-cam video clip from TLC showing one of the Duggar kids having just been married, they are in the car together about to pull away from the wedding venue and say how it's the first time they have ever been alone together and how great and awesome it is that they can finally have a conversation without a chaperone... Pure insanity treated as the most normal thing in the world.
I dunno. His parents may force him to take a plea deal. I imagine Jim-Bob wouldn't want a public trial where all his family's dirty laundry would be aired. Who knows...
For many other crimes, throwing oneself on the mercy of the court could be a good move if they're caught red handed. I get the feeling almost any court in the US would not have any mercy for this.
Just my thought about this. When I heard what was on the file he downloaded, I was shaking, felt sick and had trouble sleeping. Horrific, and as the Homeland Security Agent testified, one of the worst files of CP he has ever had to view. It's even worse than that. To have a trial and find a jury that may have to view the download will be extremely hard. Anyone who would have to view this will be tramatized. I doubt Josh's lawyers want that file that Josh Duggar downloaded seen by any jury. He should go away forever, but a plea deal may happen.
They sent him away to work because they had the belief that, "idle hands are the devil's workshop." So they believed that if they sent him away to do hard labour, that it would "correct his sinful ways".
Hey! American here. The romanticization of America's founding comes from the very skewed way history is "taught" in the US, especially in the south where people still think "the South will rise again". The way we teach the founding of America needs to be changed for sure!
You did an amazing job covering the history of abuse that the Duggar family allowed to happen and accommodated. All the other channels that have spoken about this entire thing only covered half, if half of all the information that you covered. You are a very thorough creator. You are also very passionate when it comes to children. Thank you for going that extra mile in providing information.
I am a Baptist Christian and I completely agree with what you’re saying about shaming people. Everyone has their own path, but when people start shaming others for being themselves, that is where the problem begins. This family gives good Christian people a bad name. Makes me so livid.
I agree with you about teaching children to be open minded. I struggle to see people that don't as anything but insecure in their own beliefs and either too lazy to put the time into actually thinking about and justifying them, or just dishonest.
Thank you for this video. I had... shall we say, *a bad experience* with my older cousin who was a mid/late teen and I was 5 or 6. I don't remember much about the encounter but I remember how violated I felt. And I remember how all my family members pretended it didn't happen and still let him stay the night with me. I remember how everyone said "well he was a kid too, he just made a mistake you can't really say you were ______________." To hear you say that child molestation and teenage stupidity are in no way the same thing, and it needs to be taken very seriously and not brushed off is very validating to my experience and many other peoples experience. So thank you for bringing light to that issue. ❤
Rachel, I can't imagine how hard this was to fill but thank you for doing it. It takes a strong person to use their platform and speak up. Your also every well spoken. 👏👏
When I watch the Duggar first tv special with my parents, that both of them said that Jim Bob gives them Warren Jeff vibes, and then in 2008 before my dad died he told me that skeletons will come out about Jim Bob.
Hell yeah he does I remember watching the original video about them thinking theres probably something weird with them it’s only a matter of time I never could’ve guessed all this
I feel like we don't discuss enough the circumstances surrounding the Ashley Madison review. At the time, he was an executive working at a far right-wing lobbyist group, and traveling around states trying to legalize gay marriage. His literal job was perpetuating the idea that the only valid marriage was a heterosexual monogamous marriage between two Christians of the opposite sex. He didn't believe this, or he wouldn't have been unfaithful. But a check is a check.
I really like the way you presented this issue, you're objective enough to be credible but subjective enough to share your morals and opinions with us. I'm new to this channel but this vid taught me a lot about both the Duggar situation and what kind of person you are. Glad I subscribed :)
This whole thing keeps sending me back to a police officer who did a talk (I believe) at one of my schools when I was younger. He was speaking on drunk driving in general, but in that moment, about consequences. He said that he once pulled over a car of teenage girls, and the driver was over the legal alcohol limit, just barely. She cried and pleaded with him and he let her off on a warning. The next weekend, he responded to a fatal car crash, and the same girl had crashed her car while drunk and her and she died. This case is reminding me of that talk, because insulating people (especially young people) from the consequences of their actions is doing them no favors. They need to face their consequences in order to learn and (hopefully) pump the brakes. Josh Duggar's parents have gone to great lengths to insulate him from the consequences of his actions for years, and this is the result. A disgusting man who thinks he can do whatever he wants, and no one can touch him. It's a shame that what he wants is horrific and (rightly) against the law.
Intervention and a legit treatment program can make all the difference. I have a family member who was a youth offender and lived in a treatment center for six years. He's a normal functioning adult now that has thanked his father for turning him in and advocating for him many times.
A friend of mine is a social worker and said that according to the research we have it depends on what type of offender they are. I would assume most youth offenders could be helped while the brain is still developing. What a shame that the opportunity was missed.
I have personal experience with a close relative being arrested for possession of material similar to Josh (yes, that bad) and after seeing his court proceedings, I was astonished when you mentioned that cop arrested for CP got over 50+ years. From my experience with the US court system, it's not uncommon for those arrested for possession of CP to get out in under 10-15 years tops if they can provide information that would lead to others getting arrested and charged as well; my relative got 6 years with good behaviour. As a victim of CSA myself, it's incredibly disheartening. Now a year later, it seems Josh himself got a little over 12 (probably due to his prior criminal history), but I wont be surprised to see it reduced.
Rachel, I just want to tell you how touching it was when you got choked up while talking about the images he possessed. It really shows just how passionate you are for the victims, and proves you have a good heart. I hope you're okay after this video; it was a lot and was likely incredibly mentally straining, but thank you so much for pushing through it to cover this. It's an extremely important topic that needs to be talked about no matter how twisted it is. Take some time for yourself to unwind after this, cuddle Kyra, and keep being the absolutely amazing woman you are! 💖
My parents had the mindset of Quiverfull (lived by the Pearl's teaching and Focus on the Family etc), but were cut short when my mother developed a serious chronic illness, and to my father's credit (one of the only), he agreed with her to stop at 4 kids for her health. That doesn't mean the rest of their mindset changed though. I was raised in such a family, and yes. It was very damaging.
You know what you are so spot on!! As someone who lives in Arkansas the Duggars are treated as the almighty and children are taught to be more like the Duggar children . People only see what is edited for television ....not what's really going on!! Kudos to you for saying what many already feel
The Duggars are insane. TLC really needs to cancel them and Josh needs to go to prison and serve the full sentence he can be given. His wife needs to divorce him and leave with the kids. This is not okay and she cannot stand by him.
Shouldn’t be too hard. TLC cancelled _Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo_ for similar reasons (Mama June being in a relationship with a sexual predator). So why not do it a second time…?
Parents hate to admit their perfect son is flawed, doesn't matter if the rest of the family are hurt. My auntie and uncle refuse to admit what happened to me and their daughter, so my cousin walks free. Fuck family values. Protect your children and not their abusers.
Even if they did admit it, that probably wouldn’t be strong enough evidence. I’m so sorry. I’m in a similar situation with nothing to prove what happened to me. I hope you’re as well as possible ✨
My brother molested me when I was 11. I told my parents and they told me I was lying and locked me in my room for days until I "admitted" to lying about it. I am 23 now and still deal with the scars of what my brother did to me. I know what it's like to be in their situation ( without the spot light). It sucks and I bet they are still dealing with the scars today. I pray this kind of pain and hurt on no one.
Little Rock is the capitol of the state of Arkansas. So he was sent to a place in Little Ro k. A state trooper would know exactly what to do about child abuse. He is what is called a mandatory reporter. He was required by law to report it. He said the Duggar’s lied and said it was only one incident and that is why he didn’t report it. (He said this from prison) The statute of limitations is a state law not a county law.
Very important topic - and thank you for the continued content warnings! It is hard to grasp how any parents could put their reputation and that of their son above the well being of their daughters. As you said, the parents should also not be allowed to be around kids. They knowingly exposed kids to an abuser.
If these people truly valued family they would throw him in prison and his release date would be the day that he dies. How does someone look at 20 years of abuse and give away bail??????
It’s rare that a child spontaneously abuses another child. By covering up Josh Duggar’s many issues & crimes, the family not only enabled him to continue abusing, but they’ve never outed who hurt him , so that person or those people will certainly have continued assaulting children all this time as well. No one seems to be talking about this or even touching on the point.
I do have an issue with someone having that many children. With 19 kids, there is no possible way they are able to give them all the care and attention they need as individuals. At a certain point, I think it’s wrong and cruel to have so many children. The older children also end up as caregivers. So, on top of not getting the love and attention they need, they’re not enjoying a childhood because they’re parenting their younger siblings.
Fully agree. Parentification is a recognised form of abuse that kids in quiverful families so often face.
They even admit to having a buddy system where she is their first buddy (parent) until weaning and then they get passed to an older sibling so she can have another. It’s unfair to the young and older children cuz the little kids get passed around and push parenting duties on the kids themselves
I have 3 young children, and that is a lot. I think when she had 5-6, Michelle was overwhelmed with kids and laundry, cooking ect and had a breakdown. Then they implement grandma doing laundry and having kids being the “helpers.” No possible way to give the kids the attention and live they need. She basically took care of them until they were 2, then the older child took over, And she got pregnant again. It’s part of the messed up quiverfull movement.
Yes, in the past people had many kids because child mortality was very high. So families actually ended up raising 2-4 kids on average even if they gave birth every 2 years. People who give birth every 2 years now are not following traditional life, they are simply endangering their/their wives' health for no reason
But if you criticize them, they just play the "How dare you attack our faith!" argument.
let’s not forget that the parents literally set up the children’s rooms such that josh had to pass the parents bedroom to get to the girls. they knew everything that was going on. the basically had the girls quartered off protecting one another instead of kicking him out. so sick.
Of course he didn’t have to jump through any hoops to get to the boys, who are even less likely to report anything.
@@gizachick I truly believe Josh has abused his male siblings too. One in particular.
@@Muffynbear-bs7fh im curious. which one in particular do you think?
@@Ima_robot I don't feel it's my place to out a potential victim but I feel Josh has possiblity assaulted his male sibling under the guise of "mentoring" and uses this as blackmail.
The girls were locked in their rooms at night. Locked, from the outside not inside.
The Duggars not wanting to send their precious Josh to a "treatment center" where god is missing and he might catch a 'secular-heathen-satanic-therapy cold'... makes sense. Cuz he OBVIOUSLY has learned true values, morality, kindness, and not to touch lil kids by his parents Christian, religious teachings. Praise god.
I know right? Such a holy family..
Oh yeah, he’s learned so much, that’s why he’s being charged with being in possession of SA of an 18 month old
Right? I dont think the other kids could have been worse than him...unless they legit had ted bundy jr in that facility. Ironically its the other families that should have been worried about their kids being exposed to Josh.
I heard that one of the girls isn't allowed to even go in the house anymore because she's embracing a more free approach to Christainity. It disgusts me that that's the case.
@@jellogirl2010 YES! The second oldest daughter jill requires permission from duggar patriarch Jim Bob to enter the main house, attend family events, and so on because gasp she decided to send her kids to public school (among other things). Meanwhile predator Josh still attended events up until his arrest where who knows how many small, vulnerable children were running around 🤮
My son is 18 months old. He doesn’t speak full sentences yet and only knows a handful of words. He still takes a bottle and want to be held in my arms when he takes it. I still rock him to sleep before putting him in a his crib. That’s how little 18 months old is. I literally can’t even imagine how anyone could hurt such innocents and such helplessness. It’s makes me feel physically sick.
I don't like children, I don't have a maternal instinct, but I do have a protect-the-innocent-regardless-of-age instinct, which I assume is something positive about being human. Why would someone go against that?
Even I, DISLIKING children which is better than saying 'I like children' due to these negative connotations, would be a better babysitter. I'd at least make sure they don't stick their fingers in wall sockets or the oven or door hinges.
I felt sick too when I read how young the kids were, and that some of the children were as young as 18 months. Disgusting.
18 months old isnt even a toddler yet, how does anyone see something so innocent and small as a potential partner? When I see a baby, I see something that has unconditional love and trust, they don't know the horrors of the world yet and someone is attracted to that? Kids that age are still grabbing your hand, and trying to tug you along to someplace they want to go, kids that age are still trying to play with their siblings and cousins, kids that age are watching mickey mouse!
I'm going to be sick oh dear God he is a monster
There is a woman who was sold into sex slavery and talks about how when she cried for a bottle her step dad would put his penis in her mouth. Narcissistic people who only seek to pleasure and soothe themselves do not have the cognitive ability to think about others, or the emotional ability to empathize. Therapy does not work send them all to an island.
It makes me sick that the Duggar parents have made multiple statements expressing their love for Josh and concern for his emotions, but have not said anything about their daughters or what they must be going through. They clearly either have no idea how sexual trauma affects people long term or just don't care.
They were even worse than that. They acted like it was the DAUGHTERS whoninstigated it and that they needed to make amends with their brother for all the trauma HE went through because of it. They even made the girls make an apology on NATIONAL TELEVISION. 🤬
@@hellsingmongrel Jesus fucking Christ what the fuck is their family
It's likely that they themselves before becoming parents had also experienced child abuse as children. This is what continues the cycle. Also victim blaming like they did as @hellisamongrel wrote also shows they don't think what happened was that bad or traumatic. That gives a clear indication that they view this kind of abuse as okay because they're justifying what happened in their own history as "normal" so they don't have to address their own internal problems and the current issue of the abuse their son committed against their own daughters.
the duggars: "you ruined josh's life cause you forgot to wear your dress 3 feet past your ankles one time, you shouldn't be a h@rl0t"
the duggar daughters on the inside: "we followed all your stupid rules.
Not to mention the revolting interview where they turned the convo about josh into a convo about how “trans people want to pee in their bathroom of choice so they can hurt our kids” bullshit.
Josh's sisters must feel so trapped and worthless...knowing that he was just allowed to get away with what he did to them with little to no repercussion
Jill Dillard one of his victims. Has left the cult. On birth control and nose piercings alcohol
@@vntajones I’m glad she found more freedom but isn’t her husband a bigot or am getting him mixed with jessa’s husband?
@@danika94butterflys yes he is kinda but. You have to understand that they were in a cult and all. Baby steps he is still way better than the other husbands and actually is pushing his wife to be more responsible maybe Jill’s children will end up being normal.
Pretty sure feeling trapped and worthless is just a normal day for the women in the Quiverfull movement.
@@danika94butterflys yes and no. They have a TH-cam channel. Go check it out yourself (look up “Dillard Family”).
I was raised in this cult. And I was groomed for a year and later raped by a man in my church. When the pastor and his wife found out, I was shamed and ostracized, while the man was not effected at all. I was fifteen at the time. This happens so often in the fundie church. I witnessed so much. One of my closest friends was also raped at the same time. And she was thirteen. It's disgusting. Abhorrent.
so sorry to hear that, hope you’ve healed and received therapy ❤️
I know I can't do much of substance to help, but I'm really sorry for what happened to you and I hope you're feeling better now, though I certainly wouldn't blame you if not.
I’m so sorry but I’m so glad you’ve gotten actual Tx/. Please take care. This stuff is sick and makes me nauseated.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. 💗
It's sickening that Josh while out on bail for CP still gets to see his children with his wife present. I don't care how many people are "present" he should only be allowed to see his children if they are separated by glass and have to speak through a phone. He needs to be in jail where he can't hurt anymore children.
Plus, we all know that wife will leave the room if he tells her to. She's been indoctrinated to follow her husbands word like it was the word of God.
Fuck man....
I don’t think he will be at the trial, if you know what I mean. Looking down the barrel at 40 years in prison for CP that is forbidden in their cult and knowing he will be disowned by his parents when convicted, effectively leaving him homeless without a job and 7 children to support, he will take the coward’s way out.
He cannot be around his children
Edit: okay apparently he can be around them as long as their mother is there, I was not aware of that.
@@blujaebird he can with supervision
Edited to add, he can’t live with them. He’s on house arrest essentially with family friends who have no underage children. He cannot have any access to anyone under 18 with the exception of his own with his wife present. So he can’t go to where they live and see them. They have to go to him. Still dumb, and he should never be around any child ever again. Emily D. Baker broke down the bail ruling very well I think
@@stealthreporter5122 interesting point. There's actually a discussion in this vein on reddit on the duggarsnark subreddit and honestly a lot of people think Josh is too arrogant and narcissistic to take himself out. Like his smiling in his mugshot really makes it seems like he thinks he's going to get away with it (like he has before).
Also regarding being disowned, you really have to wonder. These charges came out and reading the facts it's seems pretty clear that he did what they're charging him with. And yet his family is so far supporting him and asking people to pray for him. So really I wonder what it will take for him to be ex communicated when nothing so far has lead to that outcome
“As young as 18 months”..... genuinely felt sick, had chills, and teared up. Holy sh!t.
The other thing is that his parents defended their abusive son, and in so doing, also enabled their daughters’ abuser. I don’t understand how they could not be horrified by their son’s malicious actions towards their innocent daughters. It makes me sick. I hope he goes to prison for a long time.
Its a horrible video, of the 5 girls one of them died. Its the worst of the worst when it comes to CSAI
@@imastatistic8347 that’s horrific...
@@imastatistic8347 this was the reason that the president of the Philippines wanted to reinstate the death penalty. He wanted the creator of that film dead. I can't blame him. That movie ran 10 grand per download God knows if that asshole paid that much for it. It was the 18 month old that died. I just have no sympathy or good weird about people like this, especially as a survivor of CSA.
I know right
Probably because that’s how they raised him, he’s exactly how his parents wanted him to be...
One of my sisters old friends was just sentenced to 2 years in prison. She had been babysitting this little girl for years and right under everyone's noses, she had been producing and selling CP of this little girl. The mother of my sisters friend still thinks her daughter is innocent and actually blames this on the 6-10 year old child. It's so...surreal when something like this happens so close to you. You start second guessing all of these things that could have been red flags that you maybe just missed.
@@asioflammeus4846 I absolutely, 100% agree with you there. Apparently she had a good lawyer, according to my sister, who was being paid for by a rich friend of the family. I'm not surprised though, given how lax some people are about female pedophiles.
That’s horrid :(
@@sebastianamero4217 that is absolutely despicable. every pedophile or person who creates pedophilic content deserves to spend the rest of their life in jail, male or female. I feel like the justice system is so rigged, and that many people in power are pedos themselves which makes things harder (just speculation)
That’s insane 😳
@@xyxyxylophone unfortunately I believe it depends on the severity of the CSAI involved. As far as the “people in power” thing, there’s nothing useful in suggesting that. Pedophilia has existed forever and we need to figure out why and how to eradicate it. Blaming faceless monsters doesn’t help, demanding good science does.
It shouldn't be called CP, it should be called child sexual abuse material. Someone on r/fundiesnarkuncensored brought this up.
I was coming here to say this, thank you. Porn can be created with consent, CSAM can't.
This is this most important thing that society needs to understand
Legally it’s defined by CP. Emily D. Baker covered the issue with changing it to CSAI.
@@jaclynfairhead5848 Excellent point.
Yes it should but unfortunately in the USA the crime itself is having and receiving CP, so unfortunately for legal jargen thats what its called :/
It's not an insult to call Josh Duggar "disgusting." It's a statement of fact.
@@chomka426 As much as I don't really think the death penalty should be used in most cases I make exception for this kind of vile crime, therapy shouldn't even so much as become an option unless the person has been proven to not have acted upon these sickening "desires", but once someone actually tries that kind of thing without seeking help first I say chop their thing off and shove a needle in their arm, good fkn riddance 😡
I'd pay top dollar to watch that show 😋🍿
@@chomka426 He sure doesn't act like he cares anyway. If he did, he would be okay with facing the punishment he deserves instead of denying everything. Like, take some responsibility for your actions, it may be the only thing you have going for you.
@@chomka426 sounds like the result of christian upbringing to me.
@@DoctaOsiris nah, death is an easy way out. Making him sit in prison for the rest of his life, making him suffer the very real consequences for his actions, THAT'S a punishment. Having to live in incarceration (not that I agree with the current for-profit prison system) would force him to actually think about his life and the downright sick, awful and disgusting thing he did. Death would be too easy for someone like Josh Duggar who would probably die with a smile on his face thinking God will forgive him.
it's an insult to the word disgusting.
My family found out about my brother's SA towards me 30 years ago ... I am 60 now and to this day they stand with him. I was brought up in a very strict religious, abusive home and I lost my 6 siblings because they believe him and not me. I found this really hard to watch but I think you did an amazing job of it Rachel xxx
I’m so sorry that happened to you. I wish you all the happiness in the world
I’m so sorry. That sounds almost as bad as the act itself not to be believed.
💔 im so sorry you suffered that way.
I'm so sorry. I wish you the best of things in life.
I’m so sorry that happened to you ;-; I hope you’re doing better in life now 💗
Since Josh was around 13-14 when he assaulted his siblings, I wonder if something even more was going behind the scenes possibly in their church and community. Usually when children and young teenagers sexually assault others their age or younger, its almost always because they have also been sexually assaulted and abused. Considering how incredibly sheltered their children are and how a 'close' friend of the dad is now in jail for CP, I have an unfortunate suspicion.
I had the same thought. The dad going to that friend for guidance and asking him to talk to Josh suggests that he had been a large influence in joshes life already. Giving that man ample opportunity to have hurt him when he was a child. Thereby in a way, creating the monster he has become. (Nit saying every child who is abused becomes an abuser themselves, but there are many studies that suggest it happens more often to children who were previously abused themselves.)
Especially bc josh went to his dad and confessed so early. Like he was literally asking for help and they sent him to build houses. I wonder if after that he just gave up at trying to resist his trauma, urges, whatever. That’s so... screwed up. If they had sent him to a real psych center, could things have been better? Less victims at least.
@@ko379 he actually didn’t confess. it was jill who went to the parents when a younger sibling came to her because she was scared and uncomfortable. jim bob and michelle told the police that josh had admitted it first to make it seem better than it actually was.
@@emhahee oh I misunderstood. Those poor girls. They were failed.
Nothing angers me more than those parents. They protected their abuser son over their abused daughters. They 100% enabled him and it is what led to his recent behavior. I feel so bad for his wife, to an extent. She is trapped in a marriage with this man with several kids and no way to become independent and escape him/his family because of the cult she joined.
Sadly she was raised in this wasn’t she? I can’t remember
She has a way she just won't take it. She can get a lawyer and get full custody and the house in the divorce AND make Josh pay her alimony AFTER taking half or more of his accumulated wealth. After everything he's done I don't see her not winning in court, but she won't do it.
The whole thing is beyond heartbreaking. I don't think Anna "joined" this group, but more was born into this fundamental mindset and then the match was encouraged by her parents. She was too young and sheltered to know the real deal with Josh
@@Andykyoshi I read that a few years ago, her brother tried to help her get away from him and help her get a divorce - he offered to pay for everything.
She declined.
@@rachelh9550 I assume Josh brainwashed her to think he's loving, honestly.
I wouldn't be shocked.
Having that many children isn’t a good idea at all. You can’t possibly give every child the attention there they need. It forces the older children to grow up too fast as they have to help raise their brothers and sisters
yup and don't let kids get away with sa otherwise like josh it sends the message they can get away with it.
Are all of the Duggars healthy (Only after posting I realized they are not...cuz...Josh is one of them)? Because having children back to back to back till infinity first and foremost is a hit on woman's body. It can't provide everything each baby needs if you get pregnant like that. I know two families (8 kids and 11 kids). Not all are healthy.
Also, how in the fuck do people have that many kids without starving? Seriously, most people struggle financially with a couple kids, let alone 19! They're so fucking stupid. 😒
Jim Bob claims to support the family and children, yet sweeps Josh’s actions under the rug and is paying for his sons expensive lawyer. Sick narcissist
His daughter Jill and her husband had take legal action to get the TV money they were owed and because they now follow slightly different rules, still Conservatives Christians though, she has to ask permission to visit the family home but Josh had no such restrictions after his scandals.
@@debbiemckeown7626 I remember the fallout over the money. Which shows Jim bob only cares about the money. All the money goes to him. So happy Jill is making her own decisions and not under “the umbrella” of her father. Including getting her own therapy for
Mental health. I really hope her and the girls will see the light one day. Sad that because she is literally choosing to live differently (although still religious ) she’s treated like being shunned. Jim bob 100% cares about power and money. in the fundamental sect of the religion women are treated like nothing. There’s a reason why Abuse and CSA is common with fundie churches.
You might not always agree with your children but you love them
I wonder how his daughters feel about the fact that their father cares more about their rapist than he does them.
he means his weird culty beliefs.
“No touching, no kissing, no being alone together, definitely no sex” so basically everything I need to decide if I can have a suitable relationship in which we’re both fulfilled. Gotcha.
Edit: But it all changes when married!
”Michelle said on Today in 2014. “Anyone can fix him lunch, but only one person can meet that physical need of love that he has, and you always need to be available when he calls.”
Yiiikes. Makes me sad.
Yup, and nevermind that Michele did a robocall attacking transgender women.
Which is a lot of words to say they don't believe in marital rape.
I grew up in a Christian family and I still faithfully attend church but something both my parents drilled into mine and my sisters' heads are that sex is for US too. Not just our future spouses and that "no means no" and that the wife is basically the NECK of the family. My dad wasn't the ultimate authority, he usually deferred to my mother for an opinion or decision. So when we found out about the Duggars, we were more than shocked and disgusted that this was even a way of living.
“When he calls........”. What are they, call girls? The saddest thing about this cult (and most every other cult I’ve seen) is that they give birth to female babies who are unable to take care of themselves, express their emotions, and make decisions and they keep them that way.
@@stealthreporter5122 CPS needs to get involved and take the kids away from the Duggars.
There are certain crimes that should not be allowed to be given bail for, this is one of them, it shouldn't matter who you are, a disgusting crime like this should mean jail no matter what 😡
And when realeased they should have a constantly visable tattoo that says not to be alone around children
@@WColdblooded357W Oooh, that's a good one, it'd be a bit like that Twilight Zone episode where people with that thing on their forehead had to be completely ignored as though they were invisible 🤣
I could definitely get behind that idea! 🤣
Try to cover it up with a hat? No problem, it'll just burn straight through the hat, ain't hiding that from anyone! 🤣
Like a little girl who kidnapped and SA/murder that inmates attack her killer wrote a tattoo on his head to defend an innocent child.
@@LaraCroftEyes1 I'd love that kind of thing to be put into law, it's about time we stood up against these perverts, jail alone isn't nearly enough tbh...
If we did that, than we'd have to operate on a legal system that was "guilty until proven innocent."
I've always dislike this family but omg they are the worse. Not a family just a sick cult, the fact the parents know what happened to their young daughters and did nothing about it is heartbreaking
Funny how you make things up and lie
@@mariomario9990 what
@@malicrain5478 . You made it all up...
@@mariomario9990 what did I made up?
@@malicrain5478 everything..
I’m so glad you pointed out all of their statement where they said they condemn “all pornography” because that irritated me so much. They’re attempting to lump the violation and abuse of innocent little kids to the viewing of professional and consenting adults having sex. It’s so sickening and sad that they view them as equally bad because they’re not.
"It is evil! And that's our son therefore he's an exception because SoN lOl. Go and live on a farm."
"I'm not cured."
"Great, the kids need lunch chop chop."
Ugh.
That's like me saying I'm against the death of living things and then... go around killing spiders because they're 'gross'.
No. As another comment said. Child S-xual Abuse Material, where it's not been consented to and cannot in the /slightest/, does not compare to the consentual FunTime Adult Material where everybody knows and agrees to what's going on and won't be traumatised.
The porn industry can be and is horrid but it's nowhere near as disgusting as CP whoever wrote that statement is unbelievable
All porn is sick.
The Duggars showed me that growing up without religion was a privilege that I should appreciate.
grew up with religion and i’m so ashamed of this side of people
i was gonna play devils advocate because i grew up with religion and i think every deserves a fair chance, but given the circumstances of my life and how i left religion myself, honestly you are correct.
I wouldn't be this rash. I grew up with religion (Catholic) and we all just went to church and fucked off. That's how I like it. When you start getting into like, daily group activities is where shit is crazy. That's when it becomes less about God and more about who ever can speak FOR God.
I didn't get that, but I am an atheist now and happy.
@@angieortega5209 these people aren’t Christians. These are just terribly shitty people who try to use religion as an excuse to cover up their bigotry. Don’t worry about them. They don’t represent true Christianity 💜
Also, the “friend” state trooper Josh was sent to, was also later busted and arrested for CP... So if anything, Josh was only ever enabled there and more than likely taught how to be a better/sneakier criminal. I’m sure they got off to the pictures together while Josh stayed with him.
UPDATE: 22:55 OH, you just covered it!!! I wasn’t sure if you were going to or not because not too many people know about the state trooper also being a creep
You’re right-I totally forgot about that.
The trooper received a 56 year prison sentence. Maybe Josh will, too.
@@teresajohnson7727 we can only hope so! The children need to be protected. They’ve gone unprotected far too long now.
I come from a Christian family and our father encouraged us to explore our beliefs for ourselves. My four siblings and I all go to different churches. We all still practice beliefs but some of us are Lutheran, some of us go to a Presbyterian church of America and another one of my sisters drifts from church to church. But none of us have left the church altogether because we were allowed to explore and make decisions when it came to how we worship and what we believe.
Same and I live by a certain moral code. It is *my* code. I don't expect anyone else to live by it. Unless they choose too.
I wish my mom was like that. Now i’m yearning to leave :/
@@MandieTerrier Exactly. I can't force my decision to wait until marriage on other people and quite frankly, I don't want to. It's something I do for myself and I don't even feel superior about it.
A friend of mine is a Mennonite. Her and her husband found that religion as adults and felt called to it. But they aren't demanding their kids be it. Their kids go to a catholic private school, and socialize with all faiths. I was raised catholic, but never felt comfortable in it, and then after searching found Judaism 7 years ago. My husband is still catholic. I don't really care what my son becomes. He gets exposed to all of it.
well, I guess that makes your father the master manipulator lol.
I just feel sick for all of the children being brought up in quiverfull households, it's such a vile practice. They all need therapy, starting with Josh's children, I'm so worried about them. Also, what a terrifying position Josh's wife is in - if she divorces him, she'll likely be cut off from both sides of her family and as far as I know, she's never worked before, and has another child on the way. But if she stays... it's just awful what this religion has done to these women
She would have one support system in her brother from what I understand. He left their church and lifestyle and he has basically begged her to leave. Maybe I’m wrong but he has offered to come get her and her children before.
@@HillbillyTrash It's still difficult for her though. She may lose custody and be unable to leave the state.
@@katfoster845 who could she lose custody to? Family court doesn't fvck around w accusations of child abuse, and I doubt JB&M have enough reality tv millions to get custody away from the childrens' own mother. Do you know something about this I don't? It seems to me like she wouldn't have a problem with that piece at least...
@@katefriend4085 The Duggars. Anna is an uneducated single mother. Abusers are awarded custody regularly. It's not uncommon.
@@HillbillyTrash She also has 2 other sisters who have left the cult and could help her.
This is a horrible person. May he never see the light of day again :(
He's currently out on bond pending trial
@@perryrhinitis F
He's one of those people, where it can be difficult to keep being opposed to the death penalty.
@@Raztiana That goes for most pedo's honestly. I wish all of them had the death penalty.
@@BooksToAshes, true. I will never stop expecting the state to rise above people's need for revenge. That's what we both feel right now, and it can be difficult to let go of. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
Just wanted to say: pro-birthers, not pro-lifers. We need to call a spade a spade.
@@username.not.known2473 and future Canon fodder for the military
I like to say "forced birthers," for the same calling-a-spade-a-spade reason, because the government intrusion is a big piece of my objection to the whole issue. But at the very least "pro birth," I agree.
@@goodnightmyprince6734 more like future victims for predators. Kids who grow up in under privilaged homes expireance higher rates of abuse and are more easily groomed...these people are just trying to keep their supply of potential victims high.
I think anti-abortion rights is the right way to go, just like I'm pro-abortion rights. I'm not pro-abortion because that might imply I want pregnancies terminated in general, when I just think the option should be there.
Pro-life and pro-choice are just the typical American obfuscation of the issue; you can't even tell the issue is abortion from those labels.
Birthers??? Are you going down that road now????
I don't think his parents will feel genuinely guilty for this. They'll blame Anna and the devil or some bullshit.
I don't know anything about them but jesus christ their empathy must be stuffed so far back their brains, probably behind all the religious fodder, with the way they have acted.
Shame on People magazine and The Learning Channel for making the Duggar family into celebrities,just because the mom cranked out a kid every year.
Maybe put the blame where it really belongs: the readers and viewers. If the family didn't sell magazines and bring in advertising dollars, their shows and mention of them would have stopped years ago.
@@oharriet4666 supply creates its own demand
@@Tommykey07 But bottom line, after one season, if the viewership wasnt there to generate ad revenue, the show would have been canceled and no supply. If putting them on the cover of magazines sold fewer copies, they wouldn't use them thus, no supply. The public was fascinated with these people and created the demand.
ecologically it's like making a celebrity out of me because i get off by dumping trucks full of garbage in the ocean every day
@@filthforce Excellent comparison!! Thank you!
As someone training in Social Work as a child welfare specialist what most concerns me about his being out on bail is who is protecting his children? This is such a sensitive topic and if they are trying to keep any information about the potential abuse of his own kids from the media I totally understand. But based on everything I have learned and experienced so far I really really really hope that CPS is talking to Anna and the kids. Mostly about how Anna needs to be the protective parent for her children.
Anna seems like the kind of mother who would blame the kids being abused for "tempting" a man rather than blaming her husband for his abuse. So I 100% echo your concerns about the saftey of his children.
I say this as a Christian: she needs to divorce him immediately, fight for full custody & get a restraining order. No way in HELL I’d let him anywhere near my kids after that
The parents are garbage people who exploited their children for money. They cared more about protecting their Golden boy Josh the pest than the well-being of their daughters and they’re living with that trauma to this day.
And if he'd been send to REAL therapy at the age of 14-15, there was a slight possibility that he'd NOT reoffend, considering he'd really want to change and understood the impact his crimes (sic!) had. So this "protection" really screwed ALL of them: parents deepend the girls' trauma and deprive Josh of the chance for changing his behaviour.
I’m surprised he’s only been caught now, since rumors of his (alleged) deplorable behavior have been circling for years and years.
Anyways, I hope you’re feeling alright, having had covered such a heavy topic; go hug Kyra either way! 🥰🥰
Some American context that you might have missed (updated as I watch):
~20:00 State troopers are basically police, you’ve got that right
23:50 the statute of limitations for anything but the most serious crimes differ by state and county, so if he did child abuse in another state way back then it’s quite possible he can still be charged for that at least
This kind of thing doesn’t just apply to child abuse, of course; in some states, it was still not possible for a wife to be raped by her husband until very recently (1993), and even then some states make distinctions between marital rape or rape between non-married partners, or narrowly define rape as sex under “force or threat of force,” which means raping your unconscious wife after spiking her drink is still not rape in Oklahoma and, if memory serves, Ohio
Apparently the feds caught wind of him in 2018 and seized his computer fill of CSAM off his car lot and have been building their case ever since until they were sure they could get him convicted.
The Duggar’s are awful they forgive and support josh after all his sins but the daughter Jill wears jeans and pierced her nose and she is now estranged from the family banned from the main home. She is a decent person by all accounts they treat their daughters like slaves with no rights
And you bet if one of the girls did not what to marry or one the boys was gay they would be cut off from the family faster then you can say god
This has plagued me for a long time:
There should NEVER EVER be a statute of limitations for crimes such as sexual assault or child abuse.
This video was respectfully done while also being an excellent way to understand this situation. I like how much passion you brought to this topic. To advocate is essential and I think this can really open a dialogue for the discussion around advocacy for children in these situations.
Thank you for the work you put into this one.
Thank you so much!
I was really touched by how she got choked up while talking about the types of images he possessed. It really shows she has a good heart and cares deeply about the victims.
Every time I heard "CP", my brain is like "a drug we haven't heard of" and then another part is like "wait, no, not drugs, worse".
My brain goes to "Cerebral Palsy" because a good friend of mine has the condition and that's often how she and other people used to abbreviate it. Not any more, for obvious reasons.
@@jakerockznoodles yeah, my sister has Cerebral Palsy and I thought the same. I hear they’re trying to change the “bad CP” to CSAP or something similar to be clearer and less confusing.
@@swimmyswim417 What does the P stand for in this case? I know the first three letters, but....?
@@FionavanDahl Interesting, I'll try and remember those, thank you.
I am a Christian, but this is why I absolutely despise the so-called purity Culture and fundamentalists and the shame that comes with counseling in a lot of places. Because in these types of circumstances therapy is 100% needed and jail time is absolutely needed. I don't know how this man got out. He should be rotting in jail.
I'm a Christian too. That "purity culture" is horrible. It was tied to so many problems growing up. I've got nothing but disdain for it. Just look at the problems it caused.
Josh and both parents should be in prison for the rest of their lives. Those women need therapy and teaching about what God actually wants for women.
Ruth Caperchione True, which is love, support, and their right to be seen an god fearing individuals.
Absolutely agree that the Quiverfull Movement is a ripe environment for these predators to flourish. My heart goes out to Anna, though, as she has been given a sub-par education and no life or job skills and is essentially dependent on this monster's family for support.
She condones it.
I remember watching this show as a kid with my mom. It was treated as this great thing that one kid didn't have his first kiss until their marriage. Looking back on it, it's horrifying.
I know parents want to protect their kids and not get them in trouble, BUT the kids that are getting hurt should come first.
Their other children are the ones who also got hurt.
@@ronaldwoozlib9874 that's what they're saying.... put those ones first.
And it's not like they can claim it is false accusations or anything, Josh literally confessed to them, instead they are actually justifying it which just has to be the most infuriating fucking thing
All I know is he's awful and I adore you so much. He needs to be locked away for good.
Thanks for this video:) still watching but I wanted to give my take as a sociology major: the push for white, baptist families to have more children is about white supremacy, not just the indoctrination of children into Christian values. It's about not losing the "race war" and trying to grow the "white race." It's just like in the Nazi regime encouraging pregnancy and domesticity was about growing populations they wanted and exterminating populations they didn't. It's much more sinister.
Spend a little more time with the science students, you'll discover that 'race' isn't even a valid divisor of homo sapiens sapiens. Race isn't real. One day people will stop playing the stupid 'race' game, and that day will be a very very good day.
@@themudpit621 let's stop with the racism denial. your privilege is showing. you're one of those people that says they are color blind and then cross the side of the street when a black person walks by lmfao
@@themudpit621 I mean we dont want to divide people based on their race, but people do it anyway. Racism exists, and it's a sad fact. ALSO BLACK PEOPLE DO BETTER IN THE SUN SO WHY ARENT WE JEALOUS OF THEM
Imagine 19 kids all having an average of 5 kids would give you 95 grandchildren. Same with the 95 grandchildren would get you 475 in the next generation.
Assume the average is 8 kids each. 152 grandchildren and 1,216 great grandchildren! They're truly keeping the numbers up for religious and racial control.
A clip from their tv show popped up in my feed where one of the older sister talks about sharing a room with all of her sisters. It was their choice to share a room together and it really starts to make sense considering that they weren't being protected.
How protected is the question.Jinger just went public with how traumatic it was for her when stranger who visited her parents was using her bed when staying over night. Hearing the pain in her voice when teĺling this, I couldnt wonder what she.wasnt telling
His children range from 18months to 11 years, Anna is pregnant with baby No 7. He apparently tried to blame other workers at the car lot, including his own brother. The Duggar's are also guardian to Michelle's great nephew, Tyler.
Part of me wonders if he views these images as surrogates for his twisted desires of harming his own children. It cant be coincidental that the images range in the same ages as his own kids. Its not even that common for preadtors to have that wide of an age range so I wonder if his kids ages play a part which only makes things even worse.
@@vianjelos Considering it had monitoring software that went to his wife I kinda assumed that was the case. A therapy they both agreed to save their family from his urges... pretty twisted but no more messed up than anything else they believe.
@@vianjelos Those were the ages of two of the kids in a very notorious sick torture film that leaked off the dark web-- there are rumors that is one of the CSAMs Josh had, and that he'd downloaded and deleted it several times. Probably true because of the ages, one of the FBI agents saying how disturbing some of the material was, and Josh is basic and thinks he can get away with whatever, so he'd seek that out. I think people are avoiding saying too much about it or name dropping it because it's so horrible.
I'm sure he had other horrible images of kids in that age range too. I hadn't thought about that being the age range of his own kids. Disgusting.
@@FreyaEinde I'm not sure too much about monitoring software to the wife because the FBI brought out how tech savvy Josh was and he was able to do split drives, where his wife would have no idea what he's doing on the other side the dark website. He'd give her passwords for regular things she thinks that she's looking at everything hell no the FBI said he had things so covered up it was one of the top worst fives the FBI have ever seen. An age-ranging from under 18 months to 5 years was the highest things he was looking at. And in very horrible ways. The worst.
@@goomee5563 Wow that's actually so fucked, then again he was the only Duggar kid allowed by himself on the computer, thats some next level stuff.
Josh shouldn’t get credit for “coming clean”. Jill was the one who spoke up any Josh admitted it afterwards. Now Jill is kicked out of the family. She hasn’t seen them for over two years, yet they housed Josh after they knew the CP investigation was happening and are also paying for his legal team. Isn’t Jim Bob a great Christian man?! 🙄
BC if you're a man in that kind of family, you're supposed to be like *RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH* no matter what
Lol seriously, it's not only immoral but it's also super fuckin dumb how they literally value the males above the females in literally all circumstances. Even if the man is a dumbass and the woman is smarter in some situation, MAN BETTER! CAUSE GAWD!
@@samwindmill8264 💯
I hope Anna doesn’t give him another chance. It’s too dangerous to have him around his kids.
She is reportedly say Josh was, "Set up by the Biden administration." The investigation STARTED when Trump was in office. She's delusional, and at this point, I don't think she knows which way is up. She's been so thoroughly indoctrinated, I'm not sure she's capable of even wanting to escape. Her children are in grave danger, imo.
@@teresajohnson7727 ugh! So frustrating! Curious where she said this? I want to read her statement!
People who do the work your ex's father does are truly heroes.
I can't imagine how the poor girls feel, knowing their parents valued one of their sons more than all their daughters. My heart breaks for them
Why is the concern always in regards to reputation with these people?
It's always "it was a mistake!!1!"
Or "He was young! He has his whole life ahead of him!!"
Or "what will people think about *us* if you punish him?"
"stop using your pesky morals to get in the way of people blabbing and ruining our reputation.
The parents condoning and excusing it is not right.
Who would've guessed that an incredibly sexually repressed childhood might lead to deviant sexual behavior? I'll have common sense for $200, Alex.
Sexual repression does not turn people into monsters. Please do not blame anything but this man’s own actions and choices
@@torispencer1461 doesn't help lol
It’s not just sexual repression, it’s unhealthy exposure and attitudes surrounding sex, which comes with either extreme of the spectrum. There are plenty of monsters today that had unfettered access to sexual materials, including extreme porn, from a young age, and everything in between. So it’s pretty impossible to draw a direct parallel between Josh’s upbringing and his fucked in the head decisions.
I think it's not only the sexual repression, it's also the lack of emotional fulfilment.
If you have to compete for your parents' attention and love with an ever growing number of siblings, you start looking for validation whereever you can.
And if you get to feel powerful from exerting your authority over your younger siblings, you take that.
I'm pretty certain that Josh became so messed up because of his messed up family conditions.
@@torispencer1461 The Catholic priesthood says otherwise.
Thank you for making this video. I live in Arkansas, the same state as the Duggars, and this has been sickening to watch happen over the years. Our system, especially locally to where they live, is so corrupt. They are exactly the same as Josh, the family is friends with people in high places, and they have no interest in holding him accountable. Federal charges are the only hope of seeing justice.
yes.
The older sister Jill is married to a man recently a law school graduate , she wears jeans pierced her nose and plans pregnancies cuz she has to have c sections. She also raised many of her siblings. She is estranged from the family snd is not allowed at her parents house. But josh wish all his evil lives on the parents property
The diggers treat their daughters as slaves with no rights at all
Jim Bob is probably just as sick
Jinger is the same. She's wearing pants, using birth control, and is with a man who appears quite nice. She recently wrote a book.
Rachel, I'm crying too. Every part of this is horrible, and your strength and will to talk about it is impressive.
Few things in this world should be sacred, but children should always be. How anyone can do those things to children is....I simply don't have the words.
Your ex father-in-law is one of the true heroes in this world.
As a child of two prosecutors I know they all dread the cases of CP. Very few can handle working with it, but a few people in the police force seem to be able to turn it into their mission in life to send people like Josh Duggar in prison. I have no idea how they can endure it, but somehow they do, and we don't thank and respect them nearly enough for it.
Cheating is not just a mistake. It’s a series of actions. You don’t accidentally cheat
Kinder, Küche, Kirche
The 3 K of being a "good German woman" they'd actually give awards to women who got many children for "great service to their country and race"
Arian race beeing bread.....
As an American woman who understands history, I don't understand why our history is romanticized!
Then you don't understand it as well as you think. The first nation founded on Enlightenment principles (the Rights of Man, Representative democracy, and (theoretical) universal rights). Just because we have a flawed past doesn't mean that our history isn't something to be proud of. We were ahead of the curve in nearly every way, most of Europe was controlled by monarchy until WW1, so it can't be denied that in spite of the bad, we have a much better past than pretty much any other country.
TL;DR: the lows of American history were far from the lowest, and the highs were definitely the highest (at least if you value Freedom)
@@userequaltoNull Or maybe I do and just don't find anything in our history more valuable than the tens of millions of lives that were savagely stolen by our ancestors in pursuit of building a nation. I have the right to my opinion and I don't need a lecture simply because you don't agree. Thanks, bye 👋
@@userequaltoNull 😐 no i think she understands it quite well
@@userequaltoNull Right on my guy.
@@jorgesalaber1730 Did you know that the foundation of our society, democracy, was being practiced by the native cultures in the US before the Europeans stole the idea then essentially committed genocide to steal their land?
Other than the children I think that another victim in this story is Anna. I don't think she's had much of a choice in all this and she's probably been subjected to so much fundamentalist brainwashing to completely brush off what Josh did to his sisters. She's got a tough road up ahead as she's going to have to raise seven kids all by herself and she's not going to be able to get divorced because even if you're husband is a monster who should rot in hell, divorce is still a big no no. I just feel sorry for her.
I agree, she's a victim too. She clearly had no way of making an informed decision when she got married to him, and now she has no way of leaving him, and no support if she does it.
I don’t know how accurate this is for the Duggar’s particular brand of fundamentalism, but my mum and I both were watching a former fundamentalist Christian explaining how in the eyes of a lot of other people they go to church with, Anna would get the blame for his sexual deviancy because it is her failing to completely satisfy his sexual “needs”. It is disgusting and I’m saddened by what his children could’ve potentially suffered (clearly incest isn’t an issue for him either) and I hope that those kids and Anna get all the help they need
Anna's parents are cult members. They are very poor and uneducated people.
As awful as this situation is, I’m really glad to be hearing your opinion on it!
"Her poor girl bits" ...Trust me, by the 19th kid, the kid probably just like ......... falls out.
Especially since her youngest ones were premies because they were irresponsible and decided to have more kids despite her advancing age coupled with her body being worn from all the previous kids.
In one of my anthropology classes we learned that the pelvis cracks every time a woman gives birth, and when it heals it's just a tiny bit wider than it was. So after a certain number of children there is actually less support for the baby from the pelvis as the opening gets wider. Our teacher brought up the Duggars as an example of how pregnancies get more difficult the more children you have.
@@moonbounce17 yet another reason why I'm never having kids.
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Probably for ratings by the time they got their seventeenth kid.
@@vianjelos iirc the last pregnancy she had miscarried, so I can only hope her body calls it quits for good and stops at 19, instead of continuing to aim for 20. ://
My blood boils every time I think of Josh and his parents. A lot of this is the result of being raised in an ultra conservative family, refusing to educate your teens on sex because it's too "secular" of a topic and then they're suddenly unable to discern between appropriate and inappropriate behavior. On top of that, they're taught that the "man" has full authority over "women", like it was an idea instilled in Josh's mind and is probably why he justified his actions. NO ONE ever deserves to be abused in this way, shape or form. It's abhorrent, disgusting, unforgivable and I very much hope that ONE DAY he lives with the same amount of suffering his siblings and the other victims had to face because of him.
Misogyny is not good. Debasing women and girls is the root of this problem.
Hey just wanted to fact check a little bit! I’m from Little Rock and I just wanted to let you know that Little Rock is a city. The way it was worded made it seem like that facility was called Little Rock. The place Josh Duggar went to was owned by the Institute in Basic Life Principles.
Basic Youth Principles/Basic Youth Conflicts headed by Bill Gothard, found guilty of sexually harassing female workers. In the 60’s I spent a lot of time and money on his conferences, even involving my children. Most of his ideas were good, but the bad ones tainted everything. The devil loves it when don’t pay close enough attention to the whole message.
Honestly, with the way the parents have defended and enabled Josh’s actions, I think somebody needs to do some digging into Jim-Bob’s past. It certainly seems like he has some skeletons in his closet
I know. It wouldn’t surprise me if he also was a predator.
Jimbob seems like he is a groomer…. I get the creepiest feeling every time I see him
Anna said in an interview she knew what Josh did before they got married. She said something like “I knew of his sin before we were officially courting.”
In that case, I have much less sympathy for her. She should have never had children with this monster nor allowed him to be anywhere near the kids. She knowingly allows her young, vulnerable children to be in close proximity to a known predator :( sickening
Anna did not know the full implication of this. The fathers hid the truth of these abuse incidents from her. She is painfully naive. She didn't even know what sex was until two weeks before her own wedding.
It’s not a sin it’s abuse she’s too brainwashed to realise he’s a abuser and child molester
Thank you for such an in depth video! Videos like these help expose people and keep it fresh in peoples minds and makes them hold others accountable!
My mom wanted to introduce similar ideas to me and my siblings growing up. We were homeschooled and she was slightly into more fundamentalist Christian ideas. Ironically my dad who is a pastor and would be considered the “patriarch” of the family shot down and yeeted most, if not all of them every time they were presented. Thanks, Dad. 🙏
Strange trend in patriarchal groups where men hold all the power there tends to be horrific child sexual abuse.
I mean I don’t wanna say that every religious cult leads to some level of child sexual abuse...but the evidence kinda bolsters the claim
you're such a good hearted and sensitive woman, Rachel. The content you make is very valuable, i believe.I've seen my own family members cover for a child molester too, it's so baffling and wrong. The it's the ultimate betrayal, but raising awareness can help a lot.
There is a TH-cam video clip from TLC showing one of the Duggar kids having just been married, they are in the car together about to pull away from the wedding venue and say how it's the first time they have ever been alone together and how great and awesome it is that they can finally have a conversation without a chaperone... Pure insanity treated as the most normal thing in the world.
Let's hope he gets the maximum 40 years. I'd be shocked if he took a plea deal.
I dunno. His parents may force him to take a plea deal. I imagine Jim-Bob wouldn't want a public trial where all his family's dirty laundry would be aired. Who knows...
For many other crimes, throwing oneself on the mercy of the court could be a good move if they're caught red handed. I get the feeling almost any court in the US would not have any mercy for this.
Just my thought about this. When I heard what was on the file he downloaded, I was shaking, felt sick and had trouble sleeping. Horrific, and as the Homeland Security Agent testified, one of the worst files of CP he has ever had to view. It's even worse than that. To have a trial and find a jury that may have to view the download will be extremely hard. Anyone who would have to view this will be tramatized. I doubt Josh's lawyers want that file that Josh Duggar downloaded seen by any jury. He should go away forever, but a plea deal may happen.
Why is there a maximum sentence for CP and why is it so low
@@carbonatedPigeon exactly, this shit will never end if they don't start handing out harsher sentences to people who get caught with cp.
I said out loud "OH MY GOD" when you described the images he had. That is absolutely vile. Josh Duggar should never see the light of day again.
They sent him away to work because they had the belief that, "idle hands are the devil's workshop." So they believed that if they sent him away to do hard labour, that it would "correct his sinful ways".
Hey! American here. The romanticization of America's founding comes from the very skewed way history is "taught" in the US, especially in the south where people still think "the South will rise again". The way we teach the founding of America needs to be changed for sure!
You did an amazing job covering the history of abuse that the Duggar family allowed to happen and accommodated. All the other channels that have spoken about this entire thing only covered half, if half of all the information that you covered. You are a very thorough creator. You are also very passionate when it comes to children. Thank you for going that extra mile in providing information.
I am a Baptist Christian and I completely agree with what you’re saying about shaming people. Everyone has their own path, but when people start shaming others for being themselves, that is where the problem begins. This family gives good Christian people a bad name. Makes me so livid.
I agree with you about teaching children to be open minded. I struggle to see people that don't as anything but insecure in their own beliefs and either too lazy to put the time into actually thinking about and justifying them, or just dishonest.
QUEEN I'm glad Gabbie reminded me of you i used to watch your videos alot but the algorithm stopped recommending me your stuff
Thank you for this video. I had... shall we say, *a bad experience* with my older cousin who was a mid/late teen and I was 5 or 6. I don't remember much about the encounter but I remember how violated I felt. And I remember how all my family members pretended it didn't happen and still let him stay the night with me. I remember how everyone said "well he was a kid too, he just made a mistake you can't really say you were ______________." To hear you say that child molestation and teenage stupidity are in no way the same thing, and it needs to be taken very seriously and not brushed off is very validating to my experience and many other peoples experience. So thank you for bringing light to that issue. ❤
Rachel, I can't imagine how hard this was to fill but thank you for doing it. It takes a strong person to use their platform and speak up. Your also every well spoken. 👏👏
Thank you for using your platform to bring these horrific crimes to light Rachel, it must have been so hard to do the research and talk about this
When I watch the Duggar first tv special with my parents, that both of them said that Jim Bob gives them Warren Jeff vibes, and then in 2008 before my dad died he told me that skeletons will come out about Jim Bob.
Hell yeah he does I remember watching the original video about them thinking theres probably something weird with them it’s only a matter of time I never could’ve guessed all this
I feel like we don't discuss enough the circumstances surrounding the Ashley Madison review. At the time, he was an executive working at a far right-wing lobbyist group, and traveling around states trying to legalize gay marriage. His literal job was perpetuating the idea that the only valid marriage was a heterosexual monogamous marriage between two Christians of the opposite sex. He didn't believe this, or he wouldn't have been unfaithful. But a check is a check.
The fact that the raid on his computer happened in 2019 and he’s got ANOTHER BABY on the way and he’s just been arrested infuriates me
It's always the loudest "Christians" doing the shadiest shxt
They should put this on billboards in the South...honestly all over the heartland.
@@FreyaEinde I live in the heartland and you're not wrong lol
I really like the way you presented this issue, you're objective enough to be credible but subjective enough to share your morals and opinions with us. I'm new to this channel but this vid taught me a lot about both the Duggar situation and what kind of person you are. Glad I subscribed :)
This was such a thorough and well researched video, as hard as the topics are. Thank you for calling them out for all the ways they’ve enabled this
This whole thing keeps sending me back to a police officer who did a talk (I believe) at one of my schools when I was younger. He was speaking on drunk driving in general, but in that moment, about consequences. He said that he once pulled over a car of teenage girls, and the driver was over the legal alcohol limit, just barely. She cried and pleaded with him and he let her off on a warning. The next weekend, he responded to a fatal car crash, and the same girl had crashed her car while drunk and her and she died.
This case is reminding me of that talk, because insulating people (especially young people) from the consequences of their actions is doing them no favors. They need to face their consequences in order to learn and (hopefully) pump the brakes. Josh Duggar's parents have gone to great lengths to insulate him from the consequences of his actions for years, and this is the result. A disgusting man who thinks he can do whatever he wants, and no one can touch him. It's a shame that what he wants is horrific and (rightly) against the law.
Intervention and a legit treatment program can make all the difference. I have a family member who was a youth offender and lived in a treatment center for six years. He's a normal functioning adult now that has thanked his father for turning him in and advocating for him many times.
A friend of mine is a social worker and said that according to the research we have it depends on what type of offender they are. I would assume most youth offenders could be helped while the brain is still developing. What a shame that the opportunity was missed.
I'm glad your father actually took steps to keep the family safe
Anna's parents (and hopefully Anna) knew about the abuse before they got married... Anna talked about it in the first episodes of the spinoff...
I have personal experience with a close relative being arrested for possession of material similar to Josh (yes, that bad) and after seeing his court proceedings, I was astonished when you mentioned that cop arrested for CP got over 50+ years. From my experience with the US court system, it's not uncommon for those arrested for possession of CP to get out in under 10-15 years tops if they can provide information that would lead to others getting arrested and charged as well; my relative got 6 years with good behaviour. As a victim of CSA myself, it's incredibly disheartening. Now a year later, it seems Josh himself got a little over 12 (probably due to his prior criminal history), but I wont be surprised to see it reduced.
The fact that one of his sisters was only five is infuriating, I was in the same situation when I was six, these issues hit very close to home
Rachel, I just want to tell you how touching it was when you got choked up while talking about the images he possessed. It really shows just how passionate you are for the victims, and proves you have a good heart. I hope you're okay after this video; it was a lot and was likely incredibly mentally straining, but thank you so much for pushing through it to cover this. It's an extremely important topic that needs to be talked about no matter how twisted it is.
Take some time for yourself to unwind after this, cuddle Kyra, and keep being the absolutely amazing woman you are! 💖
My parents had the mindset of Quiverfull (lived by the Pearl's teaching and Focus on the Family etc), but were cut short when my mother developed a serious chronic illness, and to my father's credit (one of the only), he agreed with her to stop at 4 kids for her health. That doesn't mean the rest of their mindset changed though. I was raised in such a family, and yes. It was very damaging.
You know what you are so spot on!! As someone who lives in Arkansas the Duggars are treated as the almighty and children are taught to be more like the Duggar children . People only see what is edited for television ....not what's really going on!! Kudos to you for saying what many already feel
The Duggars are insane. TLC really needs to cancel them and Josh needs to go to prison and serve the full sentence he can be given. His wife needs to divorce him and leave with the kids. This is not okay and she cannot stand by him.
Shouldn’t be too hard. TLC cancelled _Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo_ for similar reasons (Mama June being in a relationship with a sexual predator).
So why not do it a second time…?
@@SEGASister Exactly. Maybe if serious consequences actually happen then the Duggars will stop enabling their son.
Parents hate to admit their perfect son is flawed, doesn't matter if the rest of the family are hurt.
My auntie and uncle refuse to admit what happened to me and their daughter, so my cousin walks free.
Fuck family values. Protect your children and not their abusers.
Even if they did admit it, that probably wouldn’t be strong enough evidence. I’m so sorry. I’m in a similar situation with nothing to prove what happened to me. I hope you’re as well as possible ✨
It is not right for them to condone abuse.
My brother molested me when I was 11. I told my parents and they told me I was lying and locked me in my room for days until I "admitted" to lying about it. I am 23 now and still deal with the scars of what my brother did to me. I know what it's like to be in their situation ( without the spot light). It sucks and I bet they are still dealing with the scars today. I pray this kind of pain and hurt on no one.
Did your parents ever asked for forgiveness for their behavior?
@@oktopussy9628 no. Probably never will
I am so sorry oh my god
@@sofia7294 I've grown and am still learning from it! I am in a much better place today.😊 thank you❤
Little Rock is the capitol of the state of Arkansas. So he was sent to a place in Little Ro k. A state trooper would know exactly what to do about child abuse. He is what is called a mandatory reporter. He was required by law to report it. He said the Duggar’s lied and said it was only one incident and that is why he didn’t report it. (He said this from prison) The statute of limitations is a state law not a county law.
Very important topic - and thank you for the continued content warnings! It is hard to grasp how any parents could put their reputation and that of their son above the well being of their daughters. As you said, the parents should also not be allowed to be around kids. They knowingly exposed kids to an abuser.
If these people truly valued family they would throw him in prison and his release date would be the day that he dies. How does someone look at 20 years of abuse and give away bail??????
It’s rare that a child spontaneously abuses another child. By covering up Josh Duggar’s many issues & crimes, the family not only enabled him to continue abusing, but they’ve never outed who hurt him , so that person or those people will certainly have continued assaulting children all this time as well. No one seems to be talking about this or even touching on the point.