Meanwhile, MLB will have an employee certify your foul ball and give you a sticker with a serial number that is specific to the play you got the ball on.
@@stevecarey4740 Home run or foul ball? I got a foul ball in 2015 off of the bat of Carlos Santana, but was never approached to have it stamped or stickered.
Remember the story of Brady’s final TD football sold for like $500K. The guy was so stoked to buy it and then Brady was like “you know, I think I’ll un-retire and keep throwing TDs.
I had the same thing happen to me during the only pro football game I've ever gone too. A field goal was made with the ball landing about 10 people from me. Everyone reached for it, which just batted it like a volleyball. It kept getting closer so instead of reaching I just let it fall in my lap!!! I couldn't have been happier if I had won the lottery. As fast as my joy hit me, defeat came from in front of me as the asshole sitting right in front of me grabbed it out of my hands and spiked it into the end zone. (I was in row 2, he was row 1). That guy better pray I never win a lottery! The game was in 84 and if I became that rich, I will hire a team of P.I.'s to go through video of the game and find out who he is and if he's still alive. God help him if this happens, because he can't even give it back, he threw it back!!!! They had more balls, that one was mine! FYI, it sadly was not a NFL game, but a USFL game. At the time Doug Williams was our quarterback, so it worked for me.
Wow, this is wild. I was at that Giants/Eagles game sitting directly behind that dude. The eagles sent a staff member to try to get the ball, he wasn't giving it up. After the cop threatened to arrest him he tucked the ball under his jersey and made a mad dash for it. I always wondered if he made it out!! Small world 😂
It's because there is devices in the ball. They play with magnetic footballs and magnetic gloves. That's why you see so many football hitting goal posts. The NFL is scripted just like the WWE.
Not sure if you ever been to Canton, but they have all types of game worn cleats, gloves and uniforms for random records that have been set. So them wanting that Hurts ball doesn't surprise me.
Once again he does exactly what his bosses want him to do. His bosses being the owners. If he was going against them then they would replace him. You should always remember that.
I love how the broadcasts of any game they love to show you the awesome act of the player giving it to the dying cancer kid and the heartwarming moment, they will never show the ball being taken back.
Because they don't take them back. This "chip rule" is nonsense don't get me wrong, i'm sure some stadium staff have used the "chip" to justify the reason for not letting people keep the ball. But it's not an NFL rule, its a stadium a rule. The NFL rules remain unchanged. A player can be given away once its no longer needed and not be fined. The ball is considered property of the stadium and each stadium sets its own policy on what happens to balls going into the stands. The claim that the NFL owns the I.P for the chips is also not true, these chips are nothing more then small RFID chips there's nothing special about them they are made by Zebra Technologies they transmit at 25hz, they weigh 3.5 grams, they cost $16.50 and they've been in every NFL ball since 2017. The actual data is not on the chip all the RFID does transmit a signal, there are 20 sensors located around the field who pick up the signal, that data is then sent to the NFL's analytics department where its feed into software programs that determine things like distance, speed, rotation etc, etc. Which is then forwarded on to the TV networks and accessible by teams. The chips on the players are actually much more advanced then the chips in the balls.
@@louiscypher4186 why would the stadiums own the ball?? that makes absolutely zero sense and the NFL could have licensed the tech which means they still have exclusive rights to it under the license.
I was handed a ball in the stands by my favorite Buccaneers player. The ball has an rfid code on it under the Rams team logo. A Rams security employee came up to me and tried to get the ball. I told him he could "get these balls." Asked what I wanted for it and I told him zero chance. The guy was cool and just said ok. It was cool to get phone calls from my friends right after it happened asking if that was really me. It's my prized possession and I'm getting buried with it hahaha
They should have a stash of un-chipped balls to trade for the chipped ones (maybe with autographs for extra value). I understand and accept the necessity of protecting proprietary technology so I'd be fine with trading.
On week 1 MNF for Jets Bills, before overtime, they didn’t put up the kicking net before the kicker did some practice kicks. My dad ended up catching the ball after it went through the uprights. MetLife Security wasn’t playing around trying to get it back.
See if you've seen how they prep balls I can understand getting back a kicker ball but the NFL needs to just have more normal all balls prepped for cases like players tossing them into the sands
I kept an NCCA football from attending a spring practice that a kicker crushed into adjacent area. I quickly scurried away and still have it with the school logo and the 'K' marked for a kicking ball. Its a bad for the NFL. Give the person a new ball and some swag in trade. Do it nicely, and 99.9% will hand it over.
It's not even that hard. Just ask them, "would you like [favorite player or team star player] to sign that ball for you?" Then just pull the switcheroo
If it really is about the chip, have a place that you can take the ball to and they remove the stitches from one seem and pull the chip out. You then get the ball back before you leave the stadium. The billion dollar company can afford this and would make fans much happier. The fact that they are this stubborn about it makes me think it's something different. Who knows, maybe it is the chip, and they don't want anyone trying to replicate it and cause issues on the field. That being said, if there's a chip, why are the officials so bad at determining if the ball crossed the goal line?
Literally.... The fan would never know. Throw in a signed Jersey with it and they'll come back to tons of games. Consider it a random chance to win thing.@@philt4018
Any seamstress with minimal experience could do that in minutes. The NFL needs to stop with all the BS when it comes to fans. Just give them the damn ball. It isn't that serious.@@dustinroberson1865
Before clicking I had a feeling the answer was going to be proprietary tech inside the ball. Solution, just like you would with a record-breaking ball, tag it take the guests information, provide a receipt remove the chip give back the exact ball Sans chip. You can match that is the actual ball against a serial number, the fan gets a once-in-a-lifetime souvenir, the NFL keeps their Tracker.
If the players know this, why are they always giving the fans a ball after they score? You see it all the time, a player scores, then hands the ball to a child in the front row. So every time tht happens, security follows up and takes it away? And if that is known, why do the players keep doing it?
@@krash22mini72And not everything is about price. Something like Tom Brady’s 600th TD pass would have sentimental value but for a lot of fans, getting an autographed jersey or autographed souvenir ball would hold more sentimental value.
People may be wondering, why is there an RFID chip in the ball at all? Popular Mechanics has an article on that topic. In a nutshell: -- the sensor measures rotations per minute, acceleration and velocity -- that data is provided to news media as measures of individual player performance (throwing, punting / kicking, etc.) -- the data is also sent to videogame developers like EA Sports to make the ball performance in the game more realistic -- the sensor also enables TV cameras to track the ball's movement Other thing to note: the RFID sensor in the ball has a battery life of about 10 football games. The typical NFL football is used for 6 games (regular + postseason) after which it's added to a surplus supply used for practices, and used in that capacity for a maximum of 2 years.
Is the technology actually RFID or something else? It’s been over ten years since I have been involved with RFID, but it used to be an RFID chip got it’s power from the reader. It didn’t have a battery. That was one of the advantages. If you look at an RFID tag on a retail item, there is no battery.
When I was a kid my cousin would take me to college and NFL games and he always had a pump needle in his wallet so that, if we did somehow catch a game ball, we could quickly deflate it and stash it away while we made our escape
Take this idea with the pump needle but have another deflated football on you already, so that if you manage to get it deflated, you can "concede" and give them their ball back, but give them the deflated one that, in the moment, might trick them into thinking you gave them THEIR ball back, then get the hell out of the stadium.
I would think that having a chip in a ball and making it hard to acquire them would make them very valuable. Not only are they rare but the chip is a form of authenticity. This seems to lead to a great side hustle for the team or NFL staff who have access to balls. Or I suppose anyone who is part of the supply chain.
Because fans aren't fast enough to elude securtiy. The key is to catch the ball with a running start and don't look back until you're in the parking lot where they will stop pursuing you.
I was at a Dolphins Patriots game in Miami in 2020 and a Patriots player got an interception and threw the ball into the stands to his father. I met the guy after the game and got my photo holding the ball.
They have chips in balls that track everything, yet they can't figure out where to spot balls or if one was caught in bounds? Wtf are they even there for then? Useless stats like "air distance?"
The tech still hasn't caught up to the demand. Plus, interference, possible hacking, quirks, tech failures, etc. Heck, my phone still shows up on the map at my neighbor's house, yet this ball's position needs to be measured, sometimes down to the cm. We have replay and other old school methods for that. Unfortunately, refs don't like any kind of power taken out of their control. Football is entertainment, which means the outcome needs to be maleable for the narrative. If you want tech assisted pinpoint accuracy, join an artillery military unit, lol. Also, most of us don't believe the chips are just for tracking stats. It's highly possible Cody Parkey double doinks were tech assisted. We don't know, lol. Or maybe they actually do use them for ball positioning but would never let us know. We don't know what the ref sees when he's checking the replay. Could be broadcast cams, ball technology, could be an auctioning match with the owners while someone else is editing the play's visuals for the winner. 😂😂
@@notorioustoriI’ve never read a response online where the first paragraph made me think you were on one side and the second made me think you agreed with me. I do agree the fact they have a “chip” yet use “remedial” ways to track where the ball is is silly
yes. it was explained in the vid that that's all they're for and when another league tried other chips to measure placement they were too awkward and caused the balls to be imbalanced
On the terms and conditions of the game that I went to this year it said that if you got a ball you couldn't keep it but they would give you a non-game ball instead.
Im a 45 year long Giants season ticket holder and back in the 70s there were no nets behind the goal post. Everytime a ball was kicked into the stands there would be a circus of the security guards chasing down the ball . Sometimes usually a kid would run out of the back of the stands to the roar of the crowd. This season 2023 a kicked ball did go past the net , the security guard did retrieve the ball and then the ball boy gave the fan a duplicated ball.
I think they should definitely give out goodies like tickets or merchandise in place of the ball. Footballs going into the stands are really rare compared to baseballs, so it wouldn't cost the NFL anything to do so.
Or give the chip to a hacker who will disassemble it, decode it, give every single bit of information on what it does, how it's made, and how it works to the public for free.
@@MewtwoStruckBack that would be pretty pointless. The chip (for all of the spy drama of this video) is simply an accelerometer that tracks the movement of the ball, and reports velocity, direction, and angle information back to a receiver. It's nothing super crazy or difficult.
Not the nfl, but I’ve heard the NHL sort of does the same thing. They have microchips in the puck that track shot speed and other stuff, and the NHL wants to keep those. So when one goes into the stands they typically offer one of those picks used in warmups that has the date, the two teams playing, and so on. So if you’re lucky enough to get an nhl puck from a game, the league knows where you live lol
Untrue. Ive seen pucks go into the stands a few times and no one approaches those people. I also bought a game used puck from a playoff game and it looks exactly like the ones the NHL showed off with their tracking tech dots on the outside of the puck
The NFL and the security teams at stadiums making an offer to recover the ball is understandable - the offers just need to be way higher. If game used balls made it to market, microchip and all, they probably go for a couple thousand dollars at least. So when security approaches, it should be a formality that they go "okay, let's get that back and give you the standard replacement ball, signed jersey of the player who threw it, signed jersey of the player who caught it (or kicked it plus one jersey of the person's choice) and SEASON TICKETS for next year." Or - hear me out on thsi - "here's your replacement ball, signed jerseys, and PAIR OF SUPER BOWL TICKETS that you are free to use or resell." Make it so that receiving a game used ball is the equivalent of winning the lottery for whoever's lucky enough to come in possession of it and you won't have people wanting to refuse the offer.
I doubt those microchips are that expensive. There's nothing all that crazy about them. Just an RF transmitter and an accelerometer broadcasting the balls movement data. You could probably source all the parts to build your own for less than $50. And, none of the technology is all that sophisticated.
I was at a SF giants game years ago and my buddy next to me was tossed the ball after a 3rd out grounder from Pablo Sandoval. I did not see any usher come near us after that. Funny thing is i was at Wrigley one time and tried to get close to the Steve Bartman seat during pre-game. The ushers were way more concerned about that.
just don't reach over the barrier and you'll be fine. You won't be ejected for fan interference as long as you catch the ball after it passes the fence.
Hell nah I'm keeping it, not only will I get a pay day when I sell the ball but I'll get paid when I sue the shit out of the team/stadium/security etc. when they illegally detain me and put their hands on me.
The chips weigh just 3.3 grams - less than 1% of the football's weight - and are about the size of a nickel. They wirelessly broadcast the data to various recorders around the stadium, and the football's signal is triangulated to determine its location. And yet the Refs Willy Nilly place the ball after every play where they want and when the "spot" is challenge they go to the TV cameras. What is the point of the chip again?
I would sue the team and NFL over the ball BUT! Not because they came and took it back. (Every time they retrieve a ball it's an ADMISSION of a MISTAKE being made on THEIR part.) The ball should have never left the field which is why you never had a right to it, and why we have get it back. That's fine, however, each time they make this mistake, its a safety issue created by their mistake. Sue them.
I was at a college bowl game at oracle park in san francisco, and remember that kicks that went into the stands had to be handed to an usher (a couple tried to keep it but no luck). the field went to the outfield wall
Are you sure about this? I'm pretty sure the guy that caught Harrison Butker's game winning field goal from last year's Super Bowl (LVII) still has the ball.
This was a tough watch. Hard to make it to the end. I am not a fan of overly gimmicky videos and I only wanted to hear the reason why you can't keep a football and didn't expect half of the video being vintage baseball anecdotes.
They dont give a crap about tracking rotations of the football, they care about the very powerful magnets in the footballs, thats one of the ways they fix games
Damn dude you really knocked this one out. Thanks for the great info. Luckily I'm a Raiders fan and don't have to worry about important footballs coming into the stands.
Keeping balls in the stands is part of the allure of the game. Yeah when a player gives a little kid or a random fan a ball, it’s whatever billion dollar league’s right to crush them and their joy.
The reason why is because when you open up an NFL football you will find the technology in it that rigs the game, which is why Tom Brady got in trouble for deflate gate, because he opened up the balls and tried to get rid of the technology that would've made them lose
The NFL is dumb with this. They should accept that they're going to lose a few footballs a game. I mean, how often do players mindlessly toss or kick balls into the stands after TDs? All the f'ing time. If someone catches a field goal that misses or goes over the net they should get to keep the ball, no questions asked, no hassle. I mean, how long is an NFL football even good for? I can't imagine they get used for more than a game or two anyway. The ball would get dirty, scuffed, and possibly even slightly lopsided.
Long before nets, my father caught a FG kicked by Fred Cox of the Vikings, in a game against the Colts in the 60’s, probably 65 or 66. He got to keep it. It was the “Duke” the traditional FB of the NFL at the time. Dad didn’t want to play catch with it, but my brother and I, especially my brother pleaded because in those days they didn’t sell the Duke to the public, and how often do you get to use a real NFL ball? Eventually we wore him down, and basically played the cover smooth. Years later, returning home for a visit, the poor Duke rest, deflated in a closet.
If a player hands a football to a fan the NFL has to come up with better remedies- if charges and court occurs the fact that an NFL employee handed the ball to the fan is a hard fact to get over
There is technology in the ball. The whole game is decided beforehand, technology helps the controllers do what they do, one question too many and the illusion is exposed. The whole setup is a Scam. Ha ha ha.
I was at the Philly vs Giants game and was actually sitting right next to the guy, you can see my dad throwing the fingers to Hurts…the Fan ran away with the ball and was not very negotiable with anyone so they ask him for it back multiple times and the cop they brought on the field never said anything
Why would he have to negotiate… Hurts gave him the ball directly, it’s his! If it were an actual “law” that people couldnt keep them then the players wouldn’t be able to hand them out. They allow the players to do it and fine them 🤷♀️
I assume you're talking about baseballs since you said "park" and not "stadium". In which case, you didn't watch the video closely enough since it says you've been allowed to keep balls since the 1920s (unless your anecdote takes place before the 1920s)
As a Jets fan yes I admit it. Going to games at MetLife I know a few of my friends who were detained by MetLife security for asinine reasons. MetLife security is the Paul Blart of NFL stadiums security. I hope they lose that case.
Great video by the way and was in my feed. Why doesn’t the NFL have a supply of souvenir balls based on the game used balls at each stadium for this specific purpose? I believe that would make more sense.
Problem is the microchip is too expensive and important to the NFL’s data gathering. Just destroying them inside or making them useless is going to be expensive cause they’ll have to be replaced.
@@ranelgallardo7031 those chips are not that expensive. In bulk, I would guess those little boards cost less than $200 each. Probably much much less than that. There's nothing crazy high-tech about it.
@@monteporche5552 Imagine paying $200 for perhaps 5-6 balls for each of the 32 teams and they all use different ones for each of the 18 regular season games plus the playoff ones & Super Bowl. Doesn’t seem so cheap now does it?
@@ranelgallardo7031 There are about 50 balls used per game (in an outdoor venue). AT $200 each, that would be $10,800. Sounds like a lot of money? Maybe to you or me, but let's put some context out there. --Average ticket price: $350. Average attendance: 69,000. Average gate per game: $24,150,000 --2022 TV revenue $11.9 billion. Average TV revenue per game: $21,875,000 So, just off of tv revenue and ticket sales, the NFL takes in over $40 million per game. (That doesn't take into account merchandising and other advertising revenue). So, no, I still think that an amount of money equal to less than 0.027% of the revenue is pretty cheap. Again, for context, if you make $70,000 per year and work a 5 day work week, that's the equivalent of you spending 7 cents one day.
Yes, they sell game used balls on both fanatics, and the NFL shop, and they also sell the Duke, which is the official game ball of the NFL on both the NFL shop, and fanatics also
In 2008 Daunte Culpepper of the Detroit Lions thru a laser strike to row 1 at Ford Field. My son (an ex college football wide out) happened to be there and that ball sits in my basement today. BOOM !!
Then why not have “official” game footballs which have no chips (same exact ball, just no nerd guts inside) to exchange with the fan, and perhaps get the players (or at least the guy who cave it to them) to sign it and let the fan get to be in a team picture, and well as all the other swag? The team gets their James Bond ball back, the fan gets an actual authentic (and possibly signed by the team) NFL football along with some cool swag, and the team gets their “bionic” ball back. Could that be an option?
Listening to sport talk shows I believe the balls were chipped at one point, but the nfl no longer does this and denies they are chipped as game balls are all marked and numbered.
Is there an actual NFL source on this? Because everything that I see and have experienced is they don't care and haven't cared for quite a long time. The CFL on the other hand has this rule. The chip isn't anything that crazy or secret, it's the software that analyzes the data sent by the chip that's holds the magic.
I go to minor league baseball games and give baseballs to little kids all the time but I never give away home run balls, because sometimes the player will want it back (which has happened three times). They usually trade it for a signed ball which is fine by me because it means more to them than to me. Okay, so footballs have chips inside... deactivate them if a fan gets the ball. Or trade for an unchipped ball.
Arena Indoor Football will allow you to keep the ball. I've seen as many as 30 balls go into the stands in a game! I understand why the NFL wants the ball back if it's chipped. But you should get a team signed ball in return, or some sort of real merch like a signed Jersey.
I've been purposely rewatching football games from 30+ years ago. I fast foward until the field goal attempts and then watch the ball travel through the air. Most stadiums were out in the elements but most had very little change of direction. They mostly went straight! Hmmmmm! MAGNETS AND TECHNOLOGY!!!!
I once attended a Kentucky Wildcats football game and the opponent was Georgia. Every time Georgia scored and kicked an extra point the fans would pass the football around til it got lower deck 50 yd line and the. Throw it into the upper deck and a fan would run it to the top of the stadium and throw it over and outside the stadium. Was hilarious.
Meanwhile, MLB will have an employee certify your foul ball and give you a sticker with a serial number that is specific to the play you got the ball on.
They make special balls to use for big moments, knowing that someone might want to be able to verify it some day 😂
I wish I knew about that...
Baseballs don't have computer chips inside them.
@@Fools_RequiemI got one last year. Came off Vald Jr bat. Someone from MLB came to my seat for the sticker. But I never knew it either.
@@stevecarey4740 Home run or foul ball? I got a foul ball in 2015 off of the bat of Carlos Santana, but was never approached to have it stamped or stickered.
Remember the story of Brady’s final TD football sold for like $500K. The guy was so stoked to buy it and then Brady was like “you know, I think I’ll un-retire and keep throwing TDs.
Lmao, dumbass shouldn't have spent half a million on a ball
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I don't think you know about that situation well.
The sale was voided so he didn't lose anything
That stupid Karen snatching the ball out of that little girl's hand at 3:55 fills me with rage every time.
Special place in hell for her.
The Karen haircut as well 😂😂😂
I had the same thing happen to me during the only pro football game I've ever gone too. A field goal was made with the ball landing about 10 people from me. Everyone reached for it, which just batted it like a volleyball. It kept getting closer so instead of reaching I just let it fall in my lap!!! I couldn't have been happier if I had won the lottery. As fast as my joy hit me, defeat came from in front of me as the asshole sitting right in front of me grabbed it out of my hands and spiked it into the end zone. (I was in row 2, he was row 1).
That guy better pray I never win a lottery! The game was in 84 and if I became that rich, I will hire a team of P.I.'s to go through video of the game and find out who he is and if he's still alive.
God help him if this happens, because he can't even give it back, he threw it back!!!! They had more balls, that one was mine!
FYI, it sadly was not a NFL game, but a USFL game. At the time Doug Williams was our quarterback, so it worked for me.
Charles Darwin would be especially proud.
@@comiskey2005
.... I sure hope not. Our Lord, through Jesus Christ preaches forgiveness, especially for the worst sins.
Wow, this is wild. I was at that Giants/Eagles game sitting directly behind that dude. The eagles sent a staff member to try to get the ball, he wasn't giving it up. After the cop threatened to arrest him he tucked the ball under his jersey and made a mad dash for it. I always wondered if he made it out!! Small world 😂
It's because there is devices in the ball. They play with magnetic footballs and magnetic gloves. That's why you see so many football hitting goal posts. The NFL is scripted just like the WWE.
Not sure if you ever been to Canton, but they have all types of game worn cleats, gloves and uniforms for random records that have been set. So them wanting that Hurts ball doesn't surprise me.
Pretty sure I remember you from that day
Because Roger Goodell
No fun league
is a robot
@@srynotsry263a sex robot
I’m surprised his name was never mentioned in the video prominently
Once again he does exactly what his bosses want him to do. His bosses being the owners. If he was going against them then they would replace him. You should always remember that.
I love how the broadcasts of any game they love to show you the awesome act of the player giving it to the dying cancer kid and the heartwarming moment, they will never show the ball being taken back.
Because they don't take them back. This "chip rule" is nonsense don't get me wrong, i'm sure some stadium staff have used the "chip" to justify the reason for not letting people keep the ball. But it's not an NFL rule, its a stadium a rule.
The NFL rules remain unchanged.
A player can be given away once its no longer needed and not be fined.
The ball is considered property of the stadium and each stadium sets its own policy on what happens to balls going into the stands.
The claim that the NFL owns the I.P for the chips is also not true, these chips are nothing more then small RFID chips there's nothing special about them they are made by Zebra Technologies they transmit at 25hz, they weigh 3.5 grams, they cost $16.50 and they've been in every NFL ball since 2017.
The actual data is not on the chip all the RFID does transmit a signal, there are 20 sensors located around the field who pick up the signal, that data is then sent to the NFL's analytics department where its feed into software programs that determine things like distance, speed, rotation etc, etc. Which is then forwarded on to the TV networks and accessible by teams.
The chips on the players are actually much more advanced then the chips in the balls.
@@louiscypher4186 why would the stadiums own the ball?? that makes absolutely zero sense and the NFL could have licensed the tech which means they still have exclusive rights to it under the license.
@@big_dee33 😂 dude just read the rules it's not that hard.
I was handed a ball in the stands by my favorite Buccaneers player. The ball has an rfid code on it under the Rams team logo. A Rams security employee came up to me and tried to get the ball. I told him he could "get these balls." Asked what I wanted for it and I told him zero chance. The guy was cool and just said ok. It was cool to get phone calls from my friends right after it happened asking if that was really me. It's my prized possession and I'm getting buried with it hahaha
Did you every try running a magnet 🧲 near the ball? Alot of people think they are magnetic balls.
They should have a stash of un-chipped balls to trade for the chipped ones (maybe with autographs for extra value). I understand and accept the necessity of protecting proprietary technology so I'd be fine with trading.
Seriously, it's not like there's a shortage nor that it's a PITA to make a game-ready ball, especially an un-chipped one
@@dollartwentychickentendies Honestly all they have to do is mud that shit up
Yeah, but this is the NFL.
They care about their customers just as much as your average crack dealer does theirs.
@@spaceracer23 True
NFL is the No Fun League.
On week 1 MNF for Jets Bills, before overtime, they didn’t put up the kicking net before the kicker did some practice kicks. My dad ended up catching the ball after it went through the uprights. MetLife Security wasn’t playing around trying to get it back.
See if you've seen how they prep balls I can understand getting back a kicker ball but the NFL needs to just have more normal all balls prepped for cases like players tossing them into the sands
I kept an NCCA football from attending a spring practice that a kicker crushed into adjacent area.
I quickly scurried away and still have it with the school logo and the 'K' marked for a kicking ball.
Its a bad for the NFL. Give the person a new ball and some swag in trade. Do it nicely, and 99.9% will hand it over.
hell no. i want that specific ball. not some worthless ball
It's not even that hard. Just ask them, "would you like [favorite player or team star player] to sign that ball for you?" Then just pull the switcheroo
If it really is about the chip, have a place that you can take the ball to and they remove the stitches from one seem and pull the chip out. You then get the ball back before you leave the stadium. The billion dollar company can afford this and would make fans much happier.
The fact that they are this stubborn about it makes me think it's something different. Who knows, maybe it is the chip, and they don't want anyone trying to replicate it and cause issues on the field. That being said, if there's a chip, why are the officials so bad at determining if the ball crossed the goal line?
Literally.... The fan would never know. Throw in a signed Jersey with it and they'll come back to tons of games. Consider it a random chance to win thing.@@philt4018
Any seamstress with minimal experience could do that in minutes. The NFL needs to stop with all the BS when it comes to fans. Just give them the damn ball. It isn't that serious.@@dustinroberson1865
Before clicking I had a feeling the answer was going to be proprietary tech inside the ball. Solution, just like you would with a record-breaking ball, tag it take the guests information, provide a receipt remove the chip give back the exact ball Sans chip.
You can match that is the actual ball against a serial number, the fan gets a once-in-a-lifetime souvenir, the NFL keeps their Tracker.
Good solution.
If the players know this, why are they always giving the fans a ball after they score? You see it all the time, a player scores, then hands the ball to a child in the front row. So every time tht happens, security follows up and takes it away? And if that is known, why do the players keep doing it?
security comes and gives them a souvenir ball, typically. Most fans just agree because they don't know they can just refuse.
@FivePointsVids honestly a trade for a souvenir ball is pretty fair.
@@Fools_Requiemnot even close the price is $150 vs $500+ for "game used ball" I would rather fight them for it
@@krash22mini72And not everything is about price. Something like Tom Brady’s 600th TD pass would have sentimental value but for a lot of fans, getting an autographed jersey or autographed souvenir ball would hold more sentimental value.
Kiss my a. Im keeping it.
People may be wondering, why is there an RFID chip in the ball at all? Popular Mechanics has an article on that topic. In a nutshell:
-- the sensor measures rotations per minute, acceleration and velocity
-- that data is provided to news media as measures of individual player performance (throwing, punting / kicking, etc.)
-- the data is also sent to videogame developers like EA Sports to make the ball performance in the game more realistic
-- the sensor also enables TV cameras to track the ball's movement
Other thing to note: the RFID sensor in the ball has a battery life of about 10 football games. The typical NFL football is used for 6 games (regular + postseason) after which it's added to a surplus supply used for practices, and used in that capacity for a maximum of 2 years.
Is the technology actually RFID or something else? It’s been over ten years since I have been involved with RFID, but it used to be an RFID chip got it’s power from the reader. It didn’t have a battery. That was one of the advantages. If you look at an RFID tag on a retail item, there is no battery.
@@prip Retail RFID tags are usually passive. Active tags will have a battery.
And then?
Also used to rig the game lol
Thank you...very informative. Never knew any of that. 😎
When I was a kid my cousin would take me to college and NFL games and he always had a pump needle in his wallet so that, if we did somehow catch a game ball, we could quickly deflate it and stash it away while we made our escape
That's just awesome.
Take this idea with the pump needle but have another deflated football on you already, so that if you manage to get it deflated, you can "concede" and give them their ball back, but give them the deflated one that, in the moment, might trick them into thinking you gave them THEIR ball back, then get the hell out of the stadium.
Nah man. This would be good training. Tuck the ball under your arm and shake and bake through the crowd and get out of the stadium for a touchdown.
I would think that having a chip in a ball and making it hard to acquire them would make them very valuable. Not only are they rare but the chip is a form of authenticity. This seems to lead to a great side hustle for the team or NFL staff who have access to balls. Or I suppose anyone who is part of the supply chain.
Because fans aren't fast enough to elude securtiy. The key is to catch the ball with a running start and don't look back until you're in the parking lot where they will stop pursuing you.
Bonus points if you can pull up an uber driver to meet you on the other side of the parking lot while you're running
Lmao, gotta catch it in stride lol
I was at a Dolphins Patriots game in Miami in 2020 and a Patriots player got an interception and threw the ball into the stands to his father. I met the guy after the game and got my photo holding the ball.
They have chips in balls that track everything, yet they can't figure out where to spot balls or if one was caught in bounds?
Wtf are they even there for then? Useless stats like "air distance?"
The tech still hasn't caught up to the demand. Plus, interference, possible hacking, quirks, tech failures, etc. Heck, my phone still shows up on the map at my neighbor's house, yet this ball's position needs to be measured, sometimes down to the cm. We have replay and other old school methods for that. Unfortunately, refs don't like any kind of power taken out of their control. Football is entertainment, which means the outcome needs to be maleable for the narrative. If you want tech assisted pinpoint accuracy, join an artillery military unit, lol.
Also, most of us don't believe the chips are just for tracking stats. It's highly possible Cody Parkey double doinks were tech assisted. We don't know, lol. Or maybe they actually do use them for ball positioning but would never let us know. We don't know what the ref sees when he's checking the replay. Could be broadcast cams, ball technology, could be an auctioning match with the owners while someone else is editing the play's visuals for the winner. 😂😂
@@notorioustoriI’ve never read a response online where the first paragraph made me think you were on one side and the second made me think you agreed with me.
I do agree the fact they have a “chip” yet use “remedial” ways to track where the ball is is silly
@@koodigocrxzy465 lol I'm a govt employee. The answer is almost always "It's exactly what you think, but you're way off" 😅
yes. it was explained in the vid that that's all they're for and when another league tried other chips to measure placement they were too awkward and caused the balls to be imbalanced
8:28 Now I'm picturing Roger Goodell making a Jason Grimsley esque heist repelling down from my ceiling while I'm asleep🤣
It didn’t say they actually “go by what the chip” says!
On the terms and conditions of the game that I went to this year it said that if you got a ball you couldn't keep it but they would give you a non-game ball instead.
Why is this even an issue??? As expensive as NFL tickets are not to mention food and drinks! Let the lucky fan keep the damn ball smh...
Im a 45 year long Giants season ticket holder and back in the 70s there were no nets behind the goal post. Everytime a ball was kicked into the stands there would be a circus of the security guards chasing down the ball . Sometimes usually a kid would run out of the back of the stands to the roar of the crowd.
This season 2023 a kicked ball did go past the net , the security guard did retrieve the ball and then the ball boy gave the fan a duplicated ball.
I think they should definitely give out goodies like tickets or merchandise in place of the ball. Footballs going into the stands are really rare compared to baseballs, so it wouldn't cost the NFL anything to do so.
that's what they do
So you can technically not hand it over but you’ll basically be gaslighted by the nfl into handing it over lol😭😭
I can see, instead, giving the fan a REPLACEMENT, standard football, preferably signed by the team members.
If a football player gives a fan an NFL ball they should be allowed to keep it because they’re literally giving it to them.
"They know where you live" lol lol😂
I would definitely sell the chip for bottom dollar just to give a middle finger to the NFL
Or give the chip to a hacker who will disassemble it, decode it, give every single bit of information on what it does, how it's made, and how it works to the public for free.
Yup, It would be sold to a competitor the second I had the chance lmfao.
@@MewtwoStruckBack Agreed. Open-source that shit.
It probably helps them remotely control the football for field goals and magnetizes to the players glove for spectacular catches
@@MewtwoStruckBack that would be pretty pointless. The chip (for all of the spy drama of this video) is simply an accelerometer that tracks the movement of the ball, and reports velocity, direction, and angle information back to a receiver. It's nothing super crazy or difficult.
5:00 He gets close to telling you why you clicked on his video. But first, 2 minutes of commercials and a bunch of fluff.
You had me at “cholera.” 😂
Not the nfl, but I’ve heard the NHL sort of does the same thing. They have microchips in the puck that track shot speed and other stuff, and the NHL wants to keep those. So when one goes into the stands they typically offer one of those picks used in warmups that has the date, the two teams playing, and so on. So if you’re lucky enough to get an nhl puck from a game, the league knows where you live lol
Untrue. Ive seen pucks go into the stands a few times and no one approaches those people. I also bought a game used puck from a playoff game and it looks exactly like the ones the NHL showed off with their tracking tech dots on the outside of the puck
The NFL and the security teams at stadiums making an offer to recover the ball is understandable - the offers just need to be way higher. If game used balls made it to market, microchip and all, they probably go for a couple thousand dollars at least. So when security approaches, it should be a formality that they go "okay, let's get that back and give you the standard replacement ball, signed jersey of the player who threw it, signed jersey of the player who caught it (or kicked it plus one jersey of the person's choice) and SEASON TICKETS for next year." Or - hear me out on thsi - "here's your replacement ball, signed jerseys, and PAIR OF SUPER BOWL TICKETS that you are free to use or resell." Make it so that receiving a game used ball is the equivalent of winning the lottery for whoever's lucky enough to come in possession of it and you won't have people wanting to refuse the offer.
I doubt those microchips are that expensive. There's nothing all that crazy about them. Just an RF transmitter and an accelerometer broadcasting the balls movement data. You could probably source all the parts to build your own for less than $50. And, none of the technology is all that sophisticated.
Catch ball, dig out chip, throw ball back. Sell chip, retire comfortably
Next step get sued
The chip just passes the info on to the data bank. They make sure of that!
Why do players continue to give the fans the ball when they can’t even keep it ??
How can it be theft if the ball was handed to him???
He didn't steal it, it was a gift
I was at a SF giants game years ago and my buddy next to me was tossed the ball after a 3rd out grounder from Pablo Sandoval. I did not see any usher come near us after that. Funny thing is i was at Wrigley one time and tried to get close to the Steve Bartman seat during pre-game. The ushers were way more concerned about that.
just don't reach over the barrier and you'll be fine. You won't be ejected for fan interference as long as you catch the ball after it passes the fence.
“My doctor says I can’t do anything where balls fly at my face”
“There goes your social life”😊
For some reason always thought of a player threw a ball into the stands he would have to pay a fine but no matter what the fan kept the ball
Ahhh yes Colara, the evil cousin of cholera
Hell nah I'm keeping it, not only will I get a pay day when I sell the ball but I'll get paid when I sue the shit out of the team/stadium/security etc. when they illegally detain me and put their hands on me.
The chicks getting nailed in the face with the basketball and soccer ball caught me off guard 🤣😂
that last one is actually kind of different. The player (a representative of the NFL) handed him the ball. Gave it to him. On purpose. It is now his.
The chips weigh just 3.3 grams - less than 1% of the football's weight - and are about the size of a nickel. They wirelessly broadcast the data to various recorders around the stadium, and the football's signal is triangulated to determine its location. And yet the Refs Willy Nilly place the ball after every play where they want and when the "spot" is challenge they go to the TV cameras. What is the point of the chip again?
The chip on the ball is minuscule in comparison to the chips on the shoulders of NFL owners and Roger Goodell.
I would sue the team and NFL over the ball BUT! Not because they came and took it back. (Every time they retrieve a ball it's an ADMISSION of a MISTAKE being made on THEIR part.) The ball should have never left the field which is why you never had a right to it, and why we have get it back. That's fine, however, each time they make this mistake, its a safety issue created by their mistake. Sue them.
He was handed the ball. Different than a ball that ends up in the stands during a play.
I was at a college bowl game at oracle park in san francisco, and remember that kicks that went into the stands had to be handed to an usher (a couple tried to keep it but no luck). the field went to the outfield wall
Are you sure about this? I'm pretty sure the guy that caught Harrison Butker's game winning field goal from last year's Super Bowl (LVII) still has the ball.
These recent videos make getting married look bad.
This was a tough watch. Hard to make it to the end. I am not a fan of overly gimmicky videos and I only wanted to hear the reason why you can't keep a football and didn't expect half of the video being vintage baseball anecdotes.
They dont give a crap about tracking rotations of the football, they care about the very powerful magnets in the footballs, thats one of the ways they fix games
It's well known that the NFL uses a magnetic tech with the ball and the gloves the receivers wear. SI did a story on it you can see online...
Damn dude you really knocked this one out. Thanks for the great info. Luckily I'm a Raiders fan and don't have to worry about important footballs coming into the stands.
In the very early days of auto racing, sometimes spectators would descend apon a crash scene and come away with some gruesome souvenirs..
Keeping balls in the stands is part of the allure of the game.
Yeah when a player gives a little kid or a random fan a ball, it’s whatever billion dollar league’s right to crush them and their joy.
The reason why is because when you open up an NFL football you will find the technology in it that rigs the game, which is why Tom Brady got in trouble for deflate gate, because he opened up the balls and tried to get rid of the technology that would've made them lose
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@@TwoAcresandaMulethe joke went right over you 😂
@MuddieRain his joke was far better. I think maybe it went over your head.
No way would the nfl write a Tom Brady loss into the script
@@lemonycrawdad4950 what about 2007,2011 and 2018 tho? NFL literally took Tom Brady to court too?
The NFL is dumb with this. They should accept that they're going to lose a few footballs a game. I mean, how often do players mindlessly toss or kick balls into the stands after TDs? All the f'ing time. If someone catches a field goal that misses or goes over the net they should get to keep the ball, no questions asked, no hassle.
I mean, how long is an NFL football even good for? I can't imagine they get used for more than a game or two anyway. The ball would get dirty, scuffed, and possibly even slightly lopsided.
Screw the NFL. They should let the fans keep balls. Chip or not
Game used NFL balls are for sale on Fanatics
Long before nets, my father caught a FG kicked by Fred Cox of the Vikings, in a game against the Colts in the 60’s, probably 65 or 66. He got to keep it. It was the “Duke” the traditional FB of the NFL at the time. Dad didn’t want to play catch with it, but my brother and I, especially my brother pleaded because in those days they didn’t sell the Duke to the public, and how often do you get to use a real NFL ball? Eventually we wore him down, and basically played the cover smooth. Years later, returning home for a visit, the poor Duke rest, deflated in a closet.
They should let fans keep the damn ball.
If a player hands a football to a fan the NFL has to come up with better remedies- if charges and court occurs the fact that an NFL employee handed the ball to the fan is a hard fact to get over
Keep the ball. Get arrested. Settle for lifetime box seats.
The NFL employee literally GAVE that man the ball! It wasn't stolen. He was literally handed by the ball by an NFL worker!
There is technology in the ball. The whole game is decided beforehand, technology helps the controllers do what they do, one question too many and the illusion is exposed. The whole setup is a Scam. Ha ha ha.
I was at the Philly vs Giants game and was actually sitting right next to the guy, you can see my dad throwing the fingers to Hurts…the Fan ran away with the ball and was not very negotiable with anyone so they ask him for it back multiple times and the cop they brought on the field never said anything
Why would he have to negotiate… Hurts gave him the ball directly, it’s his! If it were an actual “law” that people couldnt keep them then the players wouldn’t be able to hand them out. They allow the players to do it and fine them 🤷♀️
Wait, what? I thought fans were allowed to keep balls all the time. I've caught several over the years. I even got one authenticated by the park!
I assume you're talking about baseballs since you said "park" and not "stadium". In which case, you didn't watch the video closely enough since it says you've been allowed to keep balls since the 1920s (unless your anecdote takes place before the 1920s)
As a Jets fan yes I admit it. Going to games at MetLife I know a few of my friends who were detained by MetLife security for asinine reasons. MetLife security is the Paul Blart of NFL stadiums security. I hope they lose that case.
.....You've made it to my next video.
The NFL is pissed that you made this video.
You can't keep an NFL ball because, if someone dissects one, they'll find the magnets inside and expose the myth.
Great video by the way and was in my feed. Why doesn’t the NFL have a supply of souvenir balls based on the game used balls at each stadium for this specific purpose? I believe that would make more sense.
Or they could even have warmup used balls?
I think you should be allowed to keep a football since you pay high prices to attend an NFL game.
Just rendered the chip inert. Someone with technical skills can deactivate the chip while the fan is still in the stadium.
Problem is the microchip is too expensive and important to the NFL’s data gathering. Just destroying them inside or making them useless is going to be expensive cause they’ll have to be replaced.
@@ranelgallardo7031 those chips are not that expensive. In bulk, I would guess those little boards cost less than $200 each. Probably much much less than that. There's nothing crazy high-tech about it.
@@monteporche5552 Imagine paying $200 for perhaps 5-6 balls for each of the 32 teams and they all use different ones for each of the 18 regular season games plus the playoff ones & Super Bowl. Doesn’t seem so cheap now does it?
@@ranelgallardo7031 There are about 50 balls used per game (in an outdoor venue). AT $200 each, that would be $10,800. Sounds like a lot of money? Maybe to you or me, but let's put some context out there.
--Average ticket price: $350. Average attendance: 69,000. Average gate per game: $24,150,000
--2022 TV revenue $11.9 billion. Average TV revenue per game: $21,875,000
So, just off of tv revenue and ticket sales, the NFL takes in over $40 million per game. (That doesn't take into account merchandising and other advertising revenue). So, no, I still think that an amount of money equal to less than 0.027% of the revenue is pretty cheap. Again, for context, if you make $70,000 per year and work a 5 day work week, that's the equivalent of you spending 7 cents one day.
I would 100% keep a Nascar if I caught one in the stands
That guy literally got a fat Benjamin during the great depression for catching a baseball.
So all the footballs given to fans by Mike Evans, they're not allowed to keep? Why would he keep doing that then?
I can only imagine the situation: "So why do you have that NFL football in a Faraday cage?" "Dang NFL put chips in their dang balls".
I wouldn't give a shit. I'm leaving with the ball
The chip isn't impossible to block tho. Faraday's cage the inside of a coat should be enough. Just use aluminium sheets.
Bet you the NFL got a hidden joystick controlling the ball take the damn microchip out of it that's cheating SMH
Virtually everything in this video is wrong.
Yes, they sell game used balls on both fanatics, and the NFL shop, and they also sell the Duke, which is the official game ball of the NFL on both the NFL shop, and fanatics also
Because it's easier to manipulate the balls from those certain sports to determine specific outcomes
Just another example of why NFL = No Fun League, or perhaps in this case, No Fan League.
In 2008 Daunte Culpepper of the Detroit Lions thru a laser strike to row 1 at Ford Field. My son (an ex college football wide out) happened to be there and that ball sits in my basement today. BOOM !!
Then why not have “official” game footballs which have no chips (same exact ball, just no nerd guts inside) to exchange with the fan, and perhaps get the players (or at least the guy who cave it to them) to sign it and let the fan get to be in a team picture, and well as all the other swag? The team gets their James Bond ball back, the fan gets an actual authentic (and possibly signed by the team) NFL football along with some cool swag, and the team gets their “bionic” ball back. Could that be an option?
Listening to sport talk shows I believe the balls were chipped at one point, but the nfl no longer does this and denies they are chipped as game balls are all marked and numbered.
"Why you can't keep a footbal iiiis..."
_proceeds to drag the answer out for another 50 seconds_
Is there an actual NFL source on this? Because everything that I see and have experienced is they don't care and haven't cared for quite a long time. The CFL on the other hand has this rule. The chip isn't anything that crazy or secret, it's the software that analyzes the data sent by the chip that's holds the magic.
Same thing I was thinking! That’s like somebody giving you the carburetor off a car. You ain’t going no where with it!👈🏻😎
Because they have magnets in them
I go to minor league baseball games and give baseballs to little kids all the time but I never give away home run balls, because sometimes the player will want it back (which has happened three times). They usually trade it for a signed ball which is fine by me because it means more to them than to me.
Okay, so footballs have chips inside... deactivate them if a fan gets the ball. Or trade for an unchipped ball.
Arena Indoor Football will allow you to keep the ball. I've seen as many as 30 balls go into the stands in a game!
I understand why the NFL wants the ball back if it's chipped. But you should get a team signed ball in return, or some sort of real merch like a signed Jersey.
I've been purposely rewatching football games from 30+ years ago. I fast foward until the field goal attempts and then watch the ball travel through the air. Most stadiums were out in the elements but most had very little change of direction. They mostly went straight! Hmmmmm! MAGNETS AND TECHNOLOGY!!!!
The Eagles fan is not thinking about jimmy Hoffa after keeping the football
Will you remake other 2017 videos?
I once attended a Kentucky Wildcats football game and the opponent was Georgia. Every time Georgia scored and kicked an extra point the fans would pass the football around til it got lower deck 50 yd line and the. Throw it into the upper deck and a fan would run it to the top of the stadium and throw it over and outside the stadium. Was hilarious.
that's pretty awesome
What about the balls that the players keep after an extraordinary accomplishment?
Zack hample catching strays 😂😂😂😂😂
They dont want you to open it up and find the MAGNETS inside!
It’s always a good day when Five Points talks about balls ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
It only adds more mystery to the conspiracy idea that those balls can move by themselves.
They fired a kid over a phone, and gave zero eff's you think you walking out that stadium with a ball? 😂