Why the Original Greenback KILLS the Reissue if you play BRIDGE Pickup!
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- … for the neck pickup the reissue is good enough though. Celestion G12M25 (T1221) Greenback Speaker comparison between 1970 Pre Rola and 2016 Reissue (broken in). I'm using a 1983 Marshall JCM800 4010 (only amp) through an open back 1933 1x12 Marshall cab.
The difference between speakers is obvious with the Les Paul, but barely noticeable with the Strat. Pre Rola wins for me. & Thanks for doing this from Passion, not for Profit. So very generous. Cheers brother !!!
Thanks my friend, Cheers!
its the other way around for me. les paul just sounds like something broke the strat sound actually felt uncomfortable.
Some people should get their hear checked or get better gear to listen to what's coming out from their computer because there is a difference with both guitars.Big lows loss
I liked this one. Listened to it on FRFR monitors and my Samsung S10, and there is a difference. Pre Rola for me except for three strat clips. I would be interested in a mix of pre and post in a cab I imagine that they would suplament each other well.
I agree. The newer greenback wasn't as good with the LP, but I preferred the newer one with the Strat.
Unfortunately, I'm a LP guy, so I have to go for the more expensive vintages ones 😭
Loved the low end sound of the original greenback.... The 2016 had to much top end, was almost ear piercing to me... Another great video brother!... God bless, happy holidays to ya
Thanks my friend, Merry Christmas!
It's very hard not to like this guy. He is great at what he does.
Yes! I used to think that old Greenbacks were a myth. Then I got an early '69 1960b with 1221s and I was floored! The legend is well deserved!
Your video really shows the difference! Thanks!
This is the best Channel on TH-cam. Thank You Johan! 🙏🏼
Thanks Cody, I’m so glad to hear that!
THANK YOU FOR "EVERY VIDEO YOU HAVE DONE!". MY favorite TH-cam channel, I literally cant wait for every video you make. Thank you
Thanks Brett, I’m so glad to hear that! Cheers Johan
Wow, the reissue sounds so thin compared to the original. I've always heard that changing speakers make a huge difference, this video proves it. Thanks again Johan!
Thanks Dean!
Cold Gin !
You should do similar comparisons with modern greenback clones (Weber, Eminence, WGS, Scumback,...) if you can get your hands on some
I love Kiss! :-) Yeah let’s compare the current Greenback clones
Yeah original v reissue v clones
Eminence GB12 is good new speaker and very good price. I had two, 55eur each ( ~10ears ago ) ! But still had some modern speaker "fizz" in them, no matter how hard you break them in. Nothing can beat old pulsonics
@@JMantas Yep, they are fizzy.
@@JohanSegeborn I am particularly interested in the Warehouse Guitar Speaker (WGS) Green Beret comparison!
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By the way, is the sanded speaker still working fine?
Take care! Please stay as you are!
Actually reissue sounded good with Strat, but bridge pickup on LP with original sounded big and with reissue made my ears bleed.
Yeah it works great with Strat neck pickup
Let it bleed!
I had a 2016 in an AC15 and could not for the life of me get along with it - as soon as I listened to this demo, those memories came back... For all the people talking about how great a Greenback is, I really think they should clarify that they're NOT referring to the newer ones. It's such a drastically different sound.
I ended up swapping it for a Creamback and it was a night and day improvement. Infact the Creamback sounds more like this 1970's Pre-Rola Greenback than that new 2016 Greenbacks do.
I wasn’t expecting THAT much of a difference. Wow.
I wasn’t either actually
the PRE ROLA are in another LEAGUE no contest
Chalk and cheese. The original kills it.
I have four in an old orange cab.
Two 50 watt fanes in another cab.
Thanks Paul
Lord Quilton an old ( 70s) Simms watt closed back.
That amp is a Marshall superbass early (70s)
The difference between these speakers is simply shocking. Makes me wish I had 4 of the 1970 Greenbacks. Thanks as always Johan!
This is true - I thought I was hearing things - it's same on several videos - the greenbacks sound 3D - the black ones a 1D. I just found 4 greenies in my loft hence I ended up here.
Wow, very noticeable. Johan how much can be attributed to the prerola having 48 years under its belt (and all those years of use) compared to a 2 year old version? Again thank you for doing what you do!
Cheers
Yeah i definetly think the usage of each makes a serious difference giving that the old one has probably been "worn in" quite a lot
That was my first thought as well. Wonder what the pre Rola sounded like in it's "youth".
@@djfedezaza After two years and how much Johann plays...I don't think there will be any further substantial change.
Original Kiss recordings don’t lie. That “sound” was there out of the factory and is in this test. Age loosens speakers a bit and they just sound more rich but the same.
Something to consider: Old speakers sound better... The old speaker is going to be looser, and the cone will be considerably lighter... A great video, but I think this is worth mentioning...
But that's how those speakers sounded in the 60's and 70's. Listen to the studio recordings. And modern recordings using the same speakers.
Celestion went to China to lower their cost. But their speakers still cost the same. They pass none of the benefits of Manufacturing them in China on to the consumer. That's why I don't buy them. Nothing sounds the same out of China. Cheap components make a difference.
I'm thinking what does it cost celestion to make a speaker in China. I'm thinking $0.50.
The average person cannot AB speakers. So they kind of have us over a barrel. They put a vintage sticker on a Chinese speaker and the average person doesn't have a 1960s speaker to compare it to. Except the literature that says they sound alike. So today was very informative. The nightmare started with the first Chinese tube amp. That Epiphone 5 Watt piece of crap LOL. Everybody bought one. And it's been all downhill since.
@@guitarocd9984 Laney is a different case to that fortunately. They do pass the savings on to us. I really like my made in China Laney. It is rock solid quality and sounds great.
thanks for this channel so much. i grew up READING about how older gear sounded better, but never HEARING. now youve given us this resource... and i salute your not-for-profit ethic. very commendable work indeed sir!
Thanks Danny! Great to hear that!
Awesome, was really looking for a comparison and break down between the greenbacks.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
Johan, I used to be in the camp that believed the older speakers sound better because of decades of break-in. This video certainly made the reissue sound harsh to say the least. Then it occurred to me, the speakers weren't decades old on the recordings we cherish. The speakers just sounded better from the get go. Celestion are you listening? Give us some reissues that are closer to your past glories. As always, sir, you display great playing and invaluable comparison info. Cheers to you and your family - have a Merry Christmas!!!
Merry Christmas David!
Oh my.. So many of these things are so subtle but this one is night and day.
Cold gin \m/_
Yep, the 70s greenback sounds absolutely killer. Great tone Johan!!
GREENBACK S GREEENMOOLA The Originals are it.... Most Depth .... Sustain ... lovely Tone .... And Clarity !! Still the ONE S and only !! to My Ears !!! Ty Johan Great Demo comparison !!
Always a treat! When Cold Gin switched to the Reissues, it was like instant downer. I was expecting the fizzy top end to shine on clean sound, but as expectations sometimes go - nah. Thank you very much!
Fine demonstration! Well done Johan! Thanks for sharing brother, Be Well!
Thanks Brother! Glad to hear it!
My opinion is that I wouldn't by the G12-25M "reissues" voluntarily. If, for instance, I bought a cab with them already in it, I would either replace them or mix them (in an X-pattern) with a much darker speaker and see if that worked.
Nice comparo.
Johan THANK YOU for doing what you do and sharing it with all of us. You are very passionate about your craft, and it's why we all come here to watch. You have great videos, great information, and amazing playing and tone. You're right on the speaker comparison, can really hear a difference. I kinda wish you really did have a secret stash of old speakers and was selling them. Haha!
Thanks my friend ;-)
Yes, his works is of great value to us all.
Big thanks, as it is a big effort (even though fun)
Wow, they hardly sound like the same speaker model at all. The reissu sounds very harsh, especially on the bridge pickup like you said. Thanks for making great videos!
Thanks Noak!
I'm definitely hearing more bite and treble from the reissues, but like other have said, that could just be because of the age and use on the original. I also think it is a difference that could be EQed out so I can't say the extra cost would be worth it for vintage. PS Thanks for doing what you do Johan!
Thanks Michael!
Johan, great vid! But since vintage gear is only going up in value, can you recommend a currently available speaker to closely emulate the vintage greenback?
Johan,,, Everybody I know that's into gear, from collectors, to newcomer's, we don't make a move on a purchase without consulting YOU first! How do you do it ? I never buy the wrong thing anymore thanks to you. Your BRILLIANT ! LET'S GO !!!
After watching your video on doping and also on sanding the greenback down, I'm wondering if you could compare a reissue with the doping removed to an original? It seems that a lot of the harsh treble can be attributed to the doping and the full sanding down treatment would have removed that. BTW, I have a one year old son named John, I call him Johan all the time now haha!
Oh no! You’re going to make the prices go up for old greenbacks!! I cannot BELIEVE how much different they sound. Also thank you for these videos. Brings back good memories of my dad and I in the basement doing comparisons of tube amps and vinyl records back in the 90s
Thanks Scott, glad to hear that!
I have an ac15c1 that I always think has a harshness to the top end... I hear it here, I think that reissue greenback is a big factor in that sound
i wish you had done a sweep of both speakers to see what is going on, and also do a match eq of the old one onto the new one in the box to see how close you could get with just eq. cheers great vid!
I had a 1972 Marshall 412 cab with pulsonics and compared them to my 212 cab with two greenies reissues made in UK. The reissues had a bit more treble but I could dial that in with the tonestack of my amp. In the end I could hear no difference when corrected. I sold the 412 and kept the 212.
And IMO it is easier to take out some treble if there is to much than to turn more treble in if there is not enough in your sound.
Technically you would often need an active eq pedal as most tonestacks are passive and only take away, not amplifying. An eq pedal do add.
If you couldn't hear the difference between a 72 Pulsonic and modern green, and think that EQ can correct any differences, than by all means, sell the Pulsonic cab to someone with hearing. Just sayin'
I look forward to the beginning of these videos....Hi....
Nice view up there !!
Yeah that’s the Gothenburg harbour!
they both have their pros and cons, Norman
Pound some wattage through the new speaker for 45 years and see how close they are.
Exactly, it was probably hardly broken in.
highdb1 nah. I’ve compared first hand reissue greenbacks broken in for 25 years vs old pulsonic in like incredible shape and there’s a definitive difference. Segeborn did the same I believe. It’s something that isn’t ever going to be replicated. Reissue greenbacks really are kinda junky
It won't change anything. The originals still sounded completely different to the new ones when they were new themselves. This is apparent in literally every recording you can find from old albums of that era.
@@analogaudiorules1724 No, I had a greenback in my vox for ages, then replaced with a UK made 78 recone, which I actually prefer to the Kurt Muellers. The speaker was broken in, it just sucks compared to the original, and I didn't even have a Pulsonic.
The newer ones are brighter, the older ones are slightly more layed back, but it also depends on how the older ones were takin care of and what environments they were stored in. I'd like to hear a mint original and comapre it to a newer one after 120 hours of break in. TH-cam isn't really a good place to compare accurately as everything is horribly compressed, and you have to rely on the video uploaders ability to accurately capture it and edit things correctly...
That modern greenbacks harshness is the reason why I never considered buying one... the old one instead is fantastic!
Thanks!
Wow. That's a HUGE difference.
Like getting stabbed with a shiny new 2016 ice pick!
Ola X?, one of the swedish heavy TH-camrs once made some spectrumanalysis of guitar speakers. For that you need a measuring microfon, Behringer ECM8000 comes to mind as
a relatively cheap condenser, that delivers, a good soundcard, which you already have, and a spectrum analyzer program with a tone generator. I know it is much to expect, but you
seem to go a long way, to explore things ... And probably you have nothing to do between Christmas and New Year anyways :-)
You can mod speakers, but you can´t predict the result, so there is a change you will ruin the speaker. But small steps could prevent that. In HiFi people sometimes dilute waterbased
carpenters glue with water, and brush it on in light coats. With a spectrum analyzer you would be able to see how close you come to the original Greenbacks. Of course you have to
break them in beforehand. 20 - 30 Hz with a modest effect for some hours helps a lot. So it outside the cap to prevent going insane, and white or pink noise would be better, but more
annoying. Wouldn´t it be nice if you could mod a new speaker to sound like the old one?
Love this side by side, I have a few cream back & black backs and a pair of 72 green backs, I have too say the tone of the vintage stuff is unreal.
Amazing and thank you well worth the difference in price.......especially for the les Paul
Thanks, and glad to hear from you! Cheers Johan
Do Pre-Rola with Pulsonic Cone vs Pre-Rola with a recone!!!
Ragnar and I actually did that in this clip:
th-cam.com/video/pq_mt16d1B4/w-d-xo.html&app=desktop
I could listen to you playing Cold Gin through a cranked Marshall all day!
4:54, that tone, that riff, that cranked my gears, :-D
Didn't realise the difference would be that stark, have greenbacks in my 2x12, might be on the look out for some vintage ones now though.
Thanks Johan, :-)
Interesting. I wonder how much of that big warm tone the ageing of the cone contributes. Of all of the modern greenbacks, the standard G12M25 reissue is still the warmest of the bunch I believe, compared to the Heritage and other series.
And yet the old one blows it away.
These are both broken in. After being broken in they actually get worse not better with time
@@JohanSegeborn true nothing beats the pre rolas.....
Night and day!! Thanks for sharing that with us. Old amps seem to sound best with the older speakers. Oddly, some of the newer amps sound better with newer speakers.
Are you surprised? Nowadays, Celestion manufactures their speakers in China especially. I'm sorry but they don't worth the money. You can afford a good alnico Jensen speaker (made in Italy) for the same price... it's a shame!
agreed, an entire legacy of speakers thrown in the trash...
thank god there still manufacturing some in the UK still
On first pass through the clip several differences are glaringly obvious - the make up and construction of the paper/cone itself, the ribbing in each of the cones, the depth and amount of doping, and construction of the surround.
The differences in response are obvious, but it seems the inherent character of the tone is there, the G12M signature.
Time for some more Johan tone science!! A clip or clips where a reissue is worked and tweaked, and compared thru the process maybe. Ran on a transformer/variac to break-in, wipe the cone lightly and remove some of the dope with acetone, lightly spray the cone with cut mix of fabric softener, etc. Just a suggestion to think about for future content.
Thanks Johan! 👍
Thanks Todd! Yeah I will definitely do that. Break down the speaker into the parameters that influence tone and make experiments! Cheers
Cheers and enjoy the holidays!
I think the doping had more to do with it than anything
the re-issue just needs eq redone and breaking in
The 2016 sounds like it's a much smaller speaker. What happened Celestion?
It does indeed
Thanks for making the difference so clear! The 2016 was harsh and abrasive especially in the top end. The 1970 was perfectly balanced.
My 4x12 is a Marshall 1960 Classic made in 1990 with reissue T1221 25w G12M Greenbacks (made in England) and they are KILLER. I bought it in 1993. You should get a hold of one of these cabs ( they are hard to find ) and do a comparison with the Pre-Rola Greenbacks. That would be a very interesting comparison.
That would indeed be interesting
Same speakers are in the 1962/Bluesbreaker reissue from the early 90s.
What attenuator would you recommend for a 50W JCM2000 DSL head? thank you.
I would use a Marshall Power Break or a Weber Mass 100
Same thing I noticed with my v30's. But as the reissues got more broken in the difference lessened. With a slight tweeking of the tone controls the difference in a band mix became almost non- exsistent. And with certain amp and cab situations I liked the re-issue.
Once again this demonstrate how big is the influence of the speakers on guitar tones. Excellent job, as always!
Thanks Davide!
Johan how about putting a container with water in into the back of an old cabinet. Let the water evaporate recording the same short riff over a matter of months to see the difference between the cone taking on moisture and drying back out compared to the original sample. Leave a 57 or something spare on the cab and plug into your interface when you go into room. Merry Christmas Johan from South Wales.
That’s a really interesting idea! Merry Christmas!
Awesome vid brother. Pre Rolla for sure.
Now I am thoroughly depressed. Thank you Johan :) I have GB reissues in my Marshall 4x12 but after hearing this A/B comparison, I am going to be hearing them differently from now on. The 70's just stomped a mud hole in the reissues....to my ears anyway. I am also taking into consideration that the 70's GB have seen a lot more playing time as well though. So, there's that....
What is the explanation in terms of speaker physics?
Too much to talk about. Study "Glossary Of Speaker Terms" by weber speakers for some insight. Besides very different parts, materials and manufacturing methods from 1970 to 2016, the 70s ones were made in uk and the new celestions in china. yes seriously, and have been for like 20 years now.
hello a proud owner of 4 of these original celestion speakers from 1971 .and i say this .they kill any speakers out there period.and off.
that vintage tone is haunting for eternity.
Just bought two mint 1968 G12M's pulsonic 103 cone with factory 8ohm sticker on them!!
Agreed, old is gold!
Cheers
They do sound different, but which is better is a matter of actual situation. New one sounds brighter with certain brittle highs that are easy to filter with tone knob. Given the guitar is passive that makes new more universal, since you can not add highs on old one on passive tone control. To me, hat might be better bet as universal speaker. However, like I said - both are pretty much okay. BTW, you play some good riffs and also have good sense of rhuthm. Why not try recording some album? Go for it. Cheers and respect for beautiful comparisons💜👍
So, it is crazy how much better the old ones sound... at least to me. I wonder if the reissues would sound like the old ones in 46 years?
No It’s actually already broken in. It will get duller in the long run but not in a good way.
The old greenbacks are magic
I never knew you weren't getting paid for these videos. I've been a fan of yours for a few years now, and I can honestly say that I have learned A LOT from these videos.
On the matter of speakers, I happened to like the sound of the new speakers better with the strat, but you are right, the old ones are the best on every other situation.
I have been obsessing over speakers for a while now, I have so many ideas... I want to know what a 4x12 with Alnico Blues sounds like, and I want to know how to make something like a 35W Alnico speaker that is a little bit warmer than the Alnico Blue. The type of difference in sound between a G12M-25 and a G12H30
Thanks Rob, I’m so glad to hear that! I play a couple of 4x12 with the original Alnicos along with a number of Greenback equipped cabs in this clip
th-cam.com/video/hpkmL1oQp3c/w-d-xo.html&app=desktop
You're a marvel Johan. Unbiased, not bought by the companies; just in it for the love of it. All the best to you my friend.
Thanks my friend, yeah this is way to fun and interesting to turn it into business :-)
I've said it before Johan. Celestion (especially vintage) speakers are awesome as you so clearly and consistently demonstrate. However. I think I would like to put forward a challenge. There is an awesome speaker company in the great state of Kentucky, USA called Eminence which most of us are well acquainted with. They make a number of fantastic speakers which include some models (Big Ben, Commonwealth, CV-75 etc.) that are intended to capture that British (Celestion) sound. So my request should it become possible for you is a show down. Eminence "British sound" speakers vs the actual Celestion counter parts.
Rock on buddy. Always love to hear you play.
Thanks man, yeah that would be really interesting since Eminence have done a great job on many of the American sounding replacement speakers
@@JohanSegeborn 👍
Johan Segeborn yes please 🙏🏼
been rockin Eminence up in Canada for 8 years.. pick em any day over new celestions..especially after a healthy break in period
@@JohanSegeborn I'd love to see it, and it would go well with all your other speaker comparisons. The cool jumping back and forth with two videos in different windows to compare them to the other speaker tests you did.
The 1970 sounds like perfection, but the reissue sounds like you're playing through a cheap 2-way bookshelf speaker. WAY too much high end.
"It aint much, but its honest work" haha
Love your vids Johan!! and your selection of some of the sickest riffs ever. Keep being the best.
Do you think this high end smoothness could also partially be from aging? Original anyday for me! Cheers!
No, the originals are only interesting since they sound like 40 year old records, so any aging beyond that wouldn’t be desirable. Cheers Johan
I love watching your videos because you do tell it like it is.
I wrote to Celestion a few days ago, to ask why they don't make speakers that sound the same as the 70-80 speakers. They replied that this is because of their age, they are manufactured exactly the same they told me. And they told me that if you buy a new G12M25 today, just out of the factory, in 40 years it will have the same tone as the 70's speakers today
Another great video Johan!!
I would've liked to hear the vintage greenback against the heritage g12m. The heritage g12m is branded 20watts but is actually a 25watt speaker.
The chinese greenback sounds so thin compared to any 70s greenback or any Evh/Heritage g12m in my experience. Thanks for all the great videos!!
Thanks Johan. I am going to go with the ‘70. I like the warmer, seasoned tone.
thanks for all you do, Johan.
Johan - compare the doping on that newer reissue Greenback, it has way too much! Please get some acetone and remove a small layer, reinstall into cab and repeat until you get that tone! Part of me thinks that ice pickiness isn’t so much treble but too much emphasis on a certain mid frequency which might go away if you allow that cone to move more freely like the old Greenback
The 2016 would probably need a different mic angle (more off-axis) to compensate for the high end when recording.
I wonder if Celestion purposely changed the profile to make them more high-mid focused to find buyers looking for the modern sound that isn't as scooped. They're certainly clearer and have a nice tone for the cleans, but they are really piercing on distorted runs.
There could certainly be some truth to that
Could be that they sound better in a band setting.
@@onpsxmember yeah, that makes a little more sense too
Can you compare both speakers that have been equally broken in? I talked to an engineer at Celestion at an amp show in LA, and he said for a fast break in of a new speaker they would spray WD40 on them and that would make them sound amazing but sometimes ruin them after. Can you do a video on that test?
Impressive. I did not expect that much of a difference. No need for any comment if listened to on some decent speakers, maybe even a laptop speaker would show that much difference even. It kinda makes me a bit upset that they are that different... and a bit sad.
The 1970 sounds rounder and not so harsh ....
It is a great speaker!!!
UPDATE...Johan's video- *Make your NEW Greenback sound like the ORIGINAL using EQ MATCHING!!!*
there should be a recipe for recreating the original with a certain modern speaker combo
such as combining a modern heritage 75hz 30 watt with a modern ruby anlico possibly???
if you combine the correct modernl speakers, it just might recreate the orignal sound or as close as you can get. sounds like a science project worth looking into..fantastic playing by the way...
Would love to see this review but with the Pulsonic 20w 75hz vs a well broken in Heritage Greenback 20w 75hz. The 25w 75hz are obviously fizzy.
Me too.
Ohhh... This would help explain why my SV20H sounds SO G.D. bright! I'm using one of those newer Greenbacks... It's TOO bright - the two together...time to change that speaker!
Vintage 30 16EN vs Marshall Vintage 16EN
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Wow. The only thing those speakers have in common is the color, lol. The original sounds absolutely wicked with that Les Paul, but the reissue sounds pathetic. :O
Great comparison here but what do you expect ? People saying they cant believe the difference lol .. basically new greenbacks compared to 50 year old ones, give the new ones another 40 years and hours of play time and they'll sound just as goodgreat.. what do you want to do next, compare brand new tubes compared to 50 year old tubes ? lol.. I have 1967 greenbacks and they smoke anything else I put beside them, makes sense though
Night and day!! But the amp also sounds like the treble is on 10 plus through a Marshall!! Can't understand how people can listen to Marshall I find it so terrible sounding!! Like an ice pick, scriching nails on a black board!! Nasty
I have the Celestion : T1221: Classic Series 12" 25W Speaker 16OHM.
And it sounds like the older speaker. Maybe its just the speaker you bought or the year it was made
Hey Johan ! Thank you very much, never knew speakers could make such a difference ! Compared to the originals, the reissue sounded extremely harsh, and I hate being the "vintage is always superior" type of guy but on this clip you gotta admit that there is a world between the two models. However couldn't that fizzy top end be tamed by rolling off some treble or trying to fiddle with the EQ ?
Anyway, thank you for sharing, have a good one !
"Cheers"
Thanks! I think some of the treble can be rolled off but that would leave a less complex tone.
Cheers Johan
Yeah, makes sense ! Thanks for the reply :)
Yeah, now I know why I'm not happy with my post-2000 UK-made reissues. They're not bad, nice sparkly highs but just too forward and subdued below that. Unless you have a Super Lead on 10 they're not moving much. The first reissue runs from the 90's seemed closer to the originals.
There is no such thing as "Pre-Rola" Celestions... Rola bought Celestion in 1946! "Pre-Rola" refers to the pre-1974 speakers that use Pulsonic cones, and don't have the "Rola Celestion LTD" sticker on the back of the green (or black, cream, or gray) plastic magnet cover. Besides, the standard Greenback reissue that most everyone is familiar with are attempting to recreate the post-1974 Greenbacks with the Kurt Mueller 1777 cones. So, really, this is an inaccurate comparison. Especially comparing 49 year old speakers to virtually new reissues that probably haven't been properly broken in. The reissue Greenbacks are nothing like the original British made anyway... the pulp used for the cones, the ceramic magnet composition, the former, the voice coil, the surround, hell even the glue is completely different.
Original over Reissue, definitely! maybe with a closed cab the difference wouldn't be that striking? Way back I had a slanted 4/12 Marshall cab from 1971. I didn't even know, what speaker were in it, until several guitarrists told me, that this cab sounds so awesome. So I opened and there they were G12M25 Greenbacks ... until today I regret selling that cab.
Yeah, G12M25 slanted 4x12 (1960A) is my go to cab here on the channel. Closed back would definitely have been less different