A 20 yr old girl doesn't have the knowledge or experience to lead any kind of hike like that. I find it hard to believe that parents would agree to it.
Whit! Cathy who had experience of the Cairngorms didn't turn back as soon as the wind got up an hour out from safety, with an extremely inexperienced group! SERIOUSLY! The idiocy of hikers who don't live in mountainous areas never ceases to stun me! I spent many school trips to the Cairngorms but no sane teacher would do that in the Winter, not even in the 70's when I was in High School in Scotland! No it wasn't lack of info, it was the lack of research by the Head Teachers! That trip should never have got off the ground!
7:45 quite a lot wrong with this statement. And it matters tremendously. 1. She certainly was not the “most ideal”. A relatively inexperienced 20 year old with no history of leading children in winter is far from ideal. 2. Where are you seeing she “completed 3 hikes” in the winter? Historical records show she had “been” in the range In the winter. You seem to implying she’s summited something but you know as well as I do when that occurs, the records are very specific. I’m not seeing that. So she had for fun climbed in the area. Why would that qualify you to lead underage inexperienced climbers? 3. Again where are you seeing she had advanced qualifications for Scottish mountaineering ? I’ve seen she PLANNED to get those certifications. Given this video very closely follows the information from the same article I’m referencing (Scottish daily mail), I’d say you might have your information wrong. This is especially true bc one of the recommended changes was leaders need qualifications. If she had some, why would that be the recommendation? Bc how you tell the story here is egregiously wrong if you’re portraying them as experienced and have certifications they didn’t have considering children died. It changes how your audience views it.
Oh wow this brings back memories, We were up there in March 1966 it was a school outing, staying at the Glenmore Lodge, we’d headed up Cairngorm and were on the plateau when a beautiful day turned into total whiteout conditions we all huddled into a group, but we were all totally unprepared, like no proper gear or food, I didn’t even have gloves. After about an hour the weather all calmed down and we got off the mountain. This group that went after us were way better prepared. A funny aside to this almost disastrous trip, we were all hacking through the mountains and as it was still snow conditions, we were thirsty and decided to drink from a stream, lovely ice cold water, well we all got sick, some were hospitalised seemingly as we were told later there’d been a herd of deer further up the hill for a few days, doing their toilet which quickly filtered into the stream. Our age group 14 year olds.
Great narration, not repetitive and drawn out, and narrator can't be AI. He has great intonation❤️💯. Tragic adventure for all involved, and it truly was a bad idea to hike a mountain during the winter and with teens🫣. Bring 6th graders next time🤯🤔🧐.
How did any1 think, it was a good idea, that the guy and his gf, even if they themselves were experienced hikers, take teenagers on a difficult hike in winter, when neither of them had done it in winter themselves?? Granted, Im not a serious hiker, especially in that kind of terrain, but I really dont see, how any1 should take inexperienced hikers, let alone kids, on a hike, they themselves have never done b4.
I find the route they planned on the first day incredible and insane. I am experienced at hiking in the Scottish mountains and traversing the Cairngorm range from the ski centre to Corrour bothy in one day would be physically challenging for me in good summer weather. To decide to take a group of inexperienced teenagers with unknown physical fitness on that route in winter conditions is insane, and the leader should have been done for gross negligence manslaughter. It was not an accident it was entirely avoidable.
Story doesn't make sense. Less than an hour after starting weather gets bad but you can't turn around?? What massive obstacle did they cross in less than an hour that kept them from calling off the trip and returning with their lives??
that speaks more to u being a sub-par parent than anything. maybe if u spent more time doing things like teaching ur kids real skills instead of letting a phone raise them you kids wld be able to hike in the winter. I wld allow both my son and daughter on a week long winter hike,,,bc I actually invested time in my children's lives
The “experts” lacked experience to even identify where a decent location was to set up shelter? Sick!!! More like an idiot who got a summer job and should have been fired last winter! A murder!
The foolishness of hiking or mountaineering in winter weather.... I can't relate to those choices. I won't climb the slightly steep hill outside if my house if it's snowing, so these mountains wouldn't be any kind of option.
Hi Terror Twin. Good video again. You can bring back the new intro music as it fits better with your new format. I'm sure if this happened in Russia, a lot of gulag sentences would've been handed out.
Ah-vee-more Sub-arctic climate? It’s surprisingly warm, although, when storms roll in, you are totally cut off and in the town people die just walking home. Peterhead. Look it up. It has wind like needles that bite straight through you.
Well they did try and did put basic safety precautions in place. It was the unexpected weather that was the killer. They couldn't even imagine it would get so bad so fast. I'm sure in the back of their minds they thought it couldn't get any worse while it got worse and worse. I can't find anybody to blame here considering the totality of their knowledge and the support and encouragement they received from so many to yes, go ahead and do this wonderful trip. Ignorance is not bliss.
The human brain is only fully developed at age 25. Calling an 18yr old and a 20yr old 'adults' is a big stretch. The whole idea for this particular trip can be summed up in one word : stupid.
See…this just goes to show how different this channel tells its stories, I legitimately got almost 9 mins into the video before realizing that I’ve already heard this one, not once but several times and I’ve never gotten more than a min or two in before realizing that I’ve heard it before! Now normally I’d click off but I’m willing to bet that watching will only enhance my knowledge instead of sorry (not sorry) “boring me” with details I’ve heard so many times already 😉👍
Also…I forgot to say that either way this story…what happened to these poor kids was, utterly horrific and just one of those stories where in hindsight the whole damn thing was a clusterfuck of bad ideas, inexperience and just about the shittiest luck imaginable 🤦♀️😬😥the young female “guide” seems to have gone above and beyond what someone of her age and ability to help the kids survive once they had chosen to shelter in place…sooo awful 🥺
That guittar strings thrump in between kills the whole vibe of the video. I enjoy your videos a lot And i watch every one of them But that sound makes the less enjoyable
Precisely. It's all totally bizarre. I don't see why these TH-camrs don't just google how to pronounce the names. Then they wouldn't sound like they've got no idea what or where they are talking about.
Knowing full well what the weather could be like they should have turned around immediately when things went bad.
No source of generating heat was a death sentence. The mountain has it's own temperature
They were inexperience
A 20 yr old girl doesn't have the knowledge or experience to lead any kind of hike like that. I find it hard to believe that parents would agree to it.
Apparently the permission slips they signed indicated a much shorter trip than they actually did.
This reminds me of the Oregon School Mt Hood disaster 😢
Yes. Me too.
yep
Whit! Cathy who had experience of the Cairngorms didn't turn back as soon as the wind got up an hour out from safety, with an extremely inexperienced group! SERIOUSLY! The idiocy of hikers who don't live in mountainous areas never ceases to stun me! I spent many school trips to the Cairngorms but no sane teacher would do that in the Winter, not even in the 70's when I was in High School in Scotland! No it wasn't lack of info, it was the lack of research by the Head Teachers! That trip should never have got off the ground!
Hindsight is always 20/20.
@@AnnetteGenovesi-c7hAnd in this case, foresight was non-existent!
@@AnnetteGenovesi-c7h Nothing to do with hindsight, it was gross negligence.
7:45 quite a lot wrong with this statement. And it matters tremendously. 1. She certainly was not the “most ideal”. A relatively inexperienced 20 year old with no history of leading children in winter is far from ideal. 2. Where are you seeing she “completed 3 hikes” in the winter? Historical records show she had “been” in the range In the winter. You seem to implying she’s summited something but you know as well as I do when that occurs, the records are very specific. I’m not seeing that. So she had for fun climbed in the area. Why would that qualify you to lead underage inexperienced climbers? 3. Again where are you seeing she had advanced qualifications for Scottish mountaineering ? I’ve seen she PLANNED to get those certifications. Given this video very closely follows the information from the same article I’m referencing (Scottish daily mail), I’d say you might have your information wrong. This is especially true bc one of the recommended changes was leaders need qualifications. If she had some, why would that be the recommendation? Bc how you tell the story here is egregiously wrong if you’re portraying them as experienced and have certifications they didn’t have considering children died. It changes how your audience views it.
Wow tell it CY
Shaddup
Oh wow this brings back memories, We were up there in March 1966 it was a school outing, staying at the Glenmore Lodge, we’d headed up Cairngorm and were on the plateau when a beautiful day turned into total whiteout conditions we all huddled into a group, but we were all totally unprepared, like no proper gear or food, I didn’t even have gloves. After about an hour the weather all calmed down and we got off the mountain. This group that went after us were way better prepared.
A funny aside to this almost disastrous trip, we were all hacking through the mountains and as it was still snow conditions, we were thirsty and decided to drink from a stream, lovely ice cold water, well we all got sick, some were hospitalised seemingly as we were told later there’d been a herd of deer further up the hill for a few days, doing their toilet which quickly filtered into the stream. Our age group 14 year olds.
Lol. No 'Health & Safety' laws or risk assessments in those days.
Those young adults are sooooooooooo young. The higher ups who approved any of this are responsible
Great narration, not repetitive and drawn out, and narrator can't be AI. He has great intonation❤️💯. Tragic adventure for all involved, and it truly was a bad idea to hike a mountain during the winter and with teens🫣. Bring 6th graders next time🤯🤔🧐.
🤣
How did any1 think, it was a good idea, that the guy and his gf, even if they themselves were experienced hikers, take teenagers on a difficult hike in winter, when neither of them had done it in winter themselves??
Granted, Im not a serious hiker, especially in that kind of terrain, but I really dont see, how any1 should take inexperienced hikers, let alone kids, on a hike, they themselves have never done b4.
I find the route they planned on the first day incredible and insane. I am experienced at hiking in the Scottish mountains and traversing the Cairngorm range from the ski centre to Corrour bothy in one day would be physically challenging for me in good summer weather. To decide to take a group of inexperienced teenagers with unknown physical fitness on that route in winter conditions is insane, and the leader should have been done for gross negligence manslaughter. It was not an accident it was entirely avoidable.
Poor Cathy. What she lacked in sense, she made up for in determination.
how did the parents not know - What did the permission slips say exactly?
Needs more views! Great video
Story doesn't make sense. Less than an hour after starting weather gets bad but you can't turn around?? What massive obstacle did they cross in less than an hour that kept them from calling off the trip and returning with their lives??
You’ve never met Scots.
Their egos.
Plan B. They probably felt safe thinking they were reverting to a safer plan in case of bad weather.
I’m supposed to be working but I can’t stop watching these videos. 🤷♀️
What I don't understand is why would the experienced group leave the other group?
6:11 "Preperation". (preparation). Keep up the good work.
Cairngorm sounds a bit like Karakoram, no wonder there was such a tragedy there
Why would they turn right for a ten o clock contact?
exactly
@ maxasaurus3008 - The AI generated narrative doesn't know the realities of aviation yet
It's called a 'military right turn' = backwards from direction given.
@@snafubar5491 lol that's funny
I'll never understand why people risk their lives in trips like this
Great video as always along with the old intro back! YAY!!
I would never allow my child to go hiking in the winter.
that speaks more to u being a sub-par parent than anything. maybe if u spent more time doing things like teaching ur kids real skills instead of letting a phone raise them you kids wld be able to hike in the winter. I wld allow both my son and daughter on a week long winter hike,,,bc I actually invested time in my children's lives
thats toxic to be honest.
Move to Miami. No worries...
@@kylec1411It's ideas like yours that are the problem..
@@Peace-tk3gr ideas? i shared no ideas with you. lol clown shit
The “experts” lacked experience to even identify where a decent location was to set up shelter? Sick!!! More like an idiot who got a summer job and should have been fired last winter! A murder!
The foolishness of hiking or mountaineering in winter weather.... I can't relate to those choices. I won't climb the slightly steep hill outside if my house if it's snowing, so these mountains wouldn't be any kind of option.
The area where they were hiking sounds like it has the same kind of extreme weather as Denali!
Hi Terror Twin. Good video again. You can bring back the new intro music as it fits better with your new format.
I'm sure if this happened in Russia, a lot of gulag sentences would've been handed out.
Ah-vee-more
Sub-arctic climate? It’s surprisingly warm, although, when storms roll in, you are totally cut off and in the town people die just walking home. Peterhead. Look it up. It has wind like needles that bite straight through you.
Shame about the amount of ads. Nicely done vid, but sooo many ads.
Wow I go skiing here all the time!
She then said three words. *proceeds to say four words*
Well they did try and did put basic safety precautions in place. It was the unexpected weather that was the killer. They couldn't even imagine it would get so bad so fast. I'm sure in the back of their minds they thought it couldn't get any worse while it got worse and worse. I can't find anybody to blame here considering the totality of their knowledge and the support and encouragement they received from so many to yes, go ahead and do this wonderful trip. Ignorance is not bliss.
Good grief 😮
The human brain is only fully developed at age 25. Calling an 18yr old and a 20yr old 'adults' is a big stretch.
The whole idea for this particular trip can be summed up in one word : stupid.
My. Washington, NH
200+ mph winds
See…this just goes to show how different this channel tells its stories, I legitimately got almost 9 mins into the video before realizing that I’ve already heard this one, not once but several times and I’ve never gotten more than a min or two in before realizing that I’ve heard it before!
Now normally I’d click off but I’m willing to bet that watching will only enhance my knowledge instead of sorry (not sorry) “boring me” with details I’ve heard so many times already
😉👍
Also…I forgot to say that either way this story…what happened to these poor kids was, utterly horrific and just one of those stories where in hindsight the whole damn thing was a clusterfuck of bad ideas, inexperience and just about the shittiest luck imaginable 🤦♀️😬😥the young female “guide” seems to have gone above and beyond what someone of her age and ability to help the kids survive once they had chosen to shelter in place…sooo awful 🥺
I think you meant Dunfermline. 😂😅
23! More like 35, at least. Or he had an ultra hard paper round .
Everyone NEEDS someone to blame when things go wrong!!!!!!!!
BUT IT WAS BAD LEADERS WHO KILLED THOSE KIDS
No, it's called accountability! Anyone who has been in a position of leadership knows that.
That guittar strings thrump in between kills the whole vibe of the video.
I enjoy your videos a lot
And i watch every one of them
But that sound makes the less enjoyable
Is this why it hurts when I pee?
My guess it would be the fella who's leg your peeing on not being happy.
The clap
What were the three words? CC thinks the were Fay budet buried burn
Contact 10 o’clock! That would be a left turn. Just saying…
Not without me anyway
Brave, brave helicopter pilots.
It’s spelled preparation.
❤
It's not pronounced 'Doomferlyne'!
no1 cares karen
Also, what on earth are those pronunciations of Edinburgh, Lagganlia and Aviemore?!
Precisely. It's all totally bizarre. I don't see why these TH-camrs don't just google how to pronounce the names. Then they wouldn't sound like they've got no idea what or where they are talking about.
1 minute no views bro fell off
Get in his video