Met the Malaysians on my denali climb on May 24th on Motorcycle hill, I remember them struggling for well over 2.5 hours on the 550 foot hill that was just above 11 camp. They told me they wanted and planned to submit May 26th. On May 27th I was going up the headwall above 14 camp and seeing the C-130 circling above. Clearly not successful. Its very sad as they were some of the nicest people we met.
@@Yukon734 hope you had a great summit! I have many times seen folks having a hard time and I will always recommend to them to change plans. Most who did not sadly are not with us any more. I have been the last person over a dozen people have spoken with and they were a statistic a day later. Usually I was asked to help with the recovery. Please folks, climb Smart and with intention.
@monkeyfootracing645 that's insane. Sorry you have to carry that weight. As amazing as social media is, it has made many think they're capable of anything
@@T-rick it is a dangerous activity ( one of many) that I have made the educated choice to engage in. Knowing the risk involved is a big part of it. Accepting the losses is also part of it. I became a rescue specialist due to witnessing a bad climbing accident and rescue of an unknown climber( never knew who he was) . I chose to educate in wilderness medical and rescue. I wish more would do the same.
You have some things incorrect in this video. Their main problem was that when pushing for the summit, they had only been on the mountain for about a week instead of the typical 2-3. They failed to give themselves time to acclimatize, ultimately leading to a massive burnout right after they reached the summit.
The actual truth narrative is quite different seems to be vastly different for exaggerated Terror Twin description of events! Denali is not a tourist attraction and has unique features that make it more dangerous than other higher mountains. These climbers were not experienced as Terror Twin alleges, they didn’t acclimatize properly, didn’t know how to dig a snow cave and depended on a guide to do it for them, they had no contingency plan in case of an emergency other than call the rangers. There were 2 guys able to walk down off the mountain but didn’t. So because of lack of experience and planning they risked the lives of the rescue rangers and in turn killed their fellow old climber. Ego is a silent killer!
The title says the mountain caused the deaths, but it was the people's choices that caused their deaths!! People taking risks with their lives and making mistakes, they caused their own deaths!!!!
As a professional mountain guide there’s alotta options in these comments that’s ludicrous! You really can’t form an opinion without having a complete understanding of who they are, their equipment and the entire situation. With that said my good buddy was the professional guide that was mentioned in the video.
People think they're an expert on everything and can judge complication situations after watching a few TH-cam videos and skimming a Wikipedia article. It's ridiculous.
It's easy to judge from safety of the couch. I think it's very interesting that the most damning comments are usually from people who proudly admit they would never attempt something so "foolishly." The comments from other climbers are usually full of empathy even as they point out the lessons to be learned. Personally, I'm one of those couch dwellers. I don't have any hobby about which I'm so passionate that I would face such harsh conditions or risk my life. But I do admire those who do push their bodies in that way, the discipline and mental fortitude, the love of nature, and the strong compassion many climbers display towards their fellows...all that is commendable. Your friend is a great example of that compassion. Putting his own life at risk to try and help. This world needs more people like him.
Idk, it’s just hard to feel bad for them. Mountains like Denali and Everest regularly claim people, there is nothing up there to gain besides more ego.
I think people who die mountain climbing are 100% accountable for the risk of death it involves. I disagree that it’s all about ego, though. Plenty of people treat it like a competitive sport where it’s all about the rush and the summit, that’s true. But an awful lot of mountain climbers do it because they’re in love with the view and being immersed in nature and feel most at peace there. Those are typically the ones who don’t get summit fever or look to collect summits and are generally much more risk-averse so they turn up less in these stories.
I feel like Denali shouldn’t be compared to Everest here. Not even 6000m. I regularly get to over 5000, I drive my car to over 4800 like once a month (in Peru). Yes you have to go slow at 6000. 5000 is roughly half the air pressure. You can’t run at over 5000 if you didn’t acclimatize for a long time. But if you don’t over exert your body too much you do still function there. The 8000 plus in the Himalaya are different, I wouldn’t wanna try that. But I feel like below 6000 shouldn’t be an issue for an otherwise healthy person. Sure the weather can kill you, but that can happen at sealevel. Wear appropriate clothing, plan the route, if it’s a technically difficult climb you should be equipped and trained for it but again that’s not so much the altitude. Don’t risk it in marginal weather. But a height like Denali isn’t that crazy to me. Everest is crazy. Batshit crazy.
@martinschlegel1823 It's so unfortunate you know nothing of Denali. Because of its latitude is really around 23,000 feet because its near the poles and has recorded temperatures of -148° In winter. I've summited the mountain 3 times and traversed it also. It starts at 300 feet elevation and goes to over 20,000 feet so it's higher than everest in climbable elevation. It has a 50% success rate if it's easy go climb it in winter solo like I tried in 1996 and was lucky to get away with only frostbite.
@@123-o8u1j yeah I can understand the weather being an issue due to the latitude . But for me that’s just a: don’t climb in marginal weather. If you’re unsure if the weather will be good enough, don’t go. And if that means you miss your chance for this year so be it. There are so many stories even of much lower peaks with whole groups dying due to weather. I don’t know how many days a year the weather is “good” but I climb mountains because I like the views, the experience, if a mountain says not today you got to respect that. In todays age the weather forecasts are good and you shouldn’t easily get surprised. But my point stands that I think it’s not comparable to mount Everest. I’ve climbed mountains with altitudes similar to Denali, I wouldn’t assume I’m able to climb Everest.
One common theme that is prevalent on all these high peaks, is the abruptly changing weather. Life changing to.have the best weather forecast money can buy. Your life depends on it
Disappointed with some of these responses vilifying the climbers. A huge percentage of Americans go on and on about "freedom" and their rights (to risk their lives in so many ways). If climber's needed to go before a government official and prove that they had the choops to safely do this climb prior to the attempt (as I think they should) some of these same naysayers would go absolutely nuts.
People should be free to climb any public mountain they want. However there should never be any government-funded attempts to save them, only volunteers or privately paid insurance rescuers. And their estates should be fined if their possessions or bodies remain on the mountain if they die.
I'm not a mountaineer but don't have to be to know that summit fever can get you into trouble....what hell is the definition of a mountaineer anyways..I just climbed the steepist trail on AT today ...does that make me a mountainqu..r.....idiot
Denali did nothing. It is a non emotional lump of rock, ice, and snow. If you go there and die thats on you. Dont blame the mountain. Your limitations were surpassed and you lost. Remember, summit is 1/2 way there. Climb smart if you die you loose the game!
I really appreciate the successes made by each climber, even those who didn’t summit. I climbed Machu Picchu and got altitude sickness at a mere 10,137 ft, after spending 3 days below in an effort to acclimate. Without this frame of reference I would have no idea just how hard of a challenge real mountaineering is.
Denali caused the deaths or ppl just being wreckless and doing shit humans arent meant to do? If you die skydiving for example i have NO sympathy for you.
Another season on Mt McKinley where inexperienced climbers put rescuers lives at risk because they pushed on when they should have turned back. Two of the rescued climbers were still able to move under their own power. Why did they not help their friend down while they had the chance? It appears that they called for rescue because they couldn't be bothered descending. Disgraceful. Selfish people like this give climbers a bad name.
@@stevemorris6790 well that's what woke Liberals call it I guess. It's correct name is Mt. McKinley. If that hurts your feel-feels then you need to raise that with your therapist, not some random stranger on utube.
@@paulgrey8028why you mention liberals in both responses. Sounds like you’re the one with soft feelings. The true name from the locals is Denali. I’ve climbed it twice,show some respect.
As someone living in Peru and regularly driving to over 4800m, having climbed frequently to quite a bit higher, mostly in light clothes with normal hiking boots, it sounds strange to me how apart from the weather a mountain like Denali can be that dangerous. I have carried an 8yo to 5300m. Neither me or my kids or wife seem to have problems with height at least below 5500. I did have a passenger in my car once who got altitude sick and it was scary because you’re on winded mountain roads, it was snowing, you can only drive on, getting slowly down the mountain… many friends have oxygen in their cars, might get some as well. But for me and my family it was never necessary. I have had snowball fights around 5000m with my daughter several times already… I really feel like up to 6000 shouldn’t be a big thing if you are fit and respect the mountain. Everest and the Himalayas are a different beast, over 8000m is crazy.
The weather is the real killer. 6000m near the equator is nothing like 6000m less than 400 km from the Arctic Circle. There's no equivalent of high altitude plus polar conditions on Earth. The glacier begins at only a few hundred meters above sea level. The majority of deaths in Denali are not due to altitude sickness, but rather the extreme Arctic weather, avalanches, and falling into the crevasses. No amount of "respect" for a mountain or fitness can help you against a bus-sized piece of ice falling on you.
Well. Maybe you are just built different, genetically superior. Not sure I refer to the right area or ethnicity but I think there's stories about white settlers that tried to live high up and they would not do well. Pregnancies all failed. I think there's at least 2 ethnicities and mechanisms by which some people just deal well with less oxygen. On top of that there's simply being used to it.
If you are not snow, sun or rain, keep off mountains. Your dead body, your ego and the shite you invariably leave behind are neither wanted nor needed.
I liked how you did the climb breakdown at 3:19 with graphics and photos. Would like to see more of those on mountaineering related videos. 😄
Met the Malaysians on my denali climb on May 24th on Motorcycle hill, I remember them struggling for well over 2.5 hours on the 550 foot hill that was just above 11 camp. They told me they wanted and planned to submit May 26th. On May 27th I was going up the headwall above 14 camp and seeing the C-130 circling above. Clearly not successful. Its very sad as they were some of the nicest people we met.
@@Yukon734 hope you had a great summit! I have many times seen folks having a hard time and I will always recommend to them to change plans. Most who did not sadly are not with us any more. I have been the last person over a dozen people have spoken with and they were a statistic a day later. Usually I was asked to help with the recovery.
Please folks, climb Smart and with intention.
@monkeyfootracing645 that's insane. Sorry you have to carry that weight. As amazing as social media is, it has made many think they're capable of anything
@@T-rick it is a dangerous activity ( one of many) that I have made the educated choice to engage in. Knowing the risk involved is a big part of it. Accepting the losses is also part of it. I became a rescue specialist due to witnessing a bad climbing accident and rescue of an unknown climber( never knew who he was) . I chose to educate in wilderness medical and rescue. I wish more would do the same.
Completely preventable. The climb should've stopped at the first signs of sickness or exhaustion.
The put others at risk too.
Rest in Peace
You have some things incorrect in this video. Their main problem was that when pushing for the summit, they had only been on the mountain for about a week instead of the typical 2-3. They failed to give themselves time to acclimatize, ultimately leading to a massive burnout right after they reached the summit.
Nice to get the Terror Twin video. I understand things happened, but glad you were still able to release one.
The actual truth narrative is quite different seems to be vastly different for exaggerated Terror Twin description of events!
Denali is not a tourist attraction and has unique features that make it more dangerous than other higher mountains.
These climbers were not experienced as Terror Twin alleges, they didn’t acclimatize properly, didn’t know how to dig a snow cave and depended on a guide to do it for them, they had no contingency plan in case of an emergency other than call the rangers. There were 2 guys able to walk down off the mountain but didn’t. So because of lack of experience and planning they risked the lives of the rescue rangers and in turn killed their fellow old climber.
Ego is a silent killer!
Chip and Dale were never in any danger!!
Same story, over and over again. Extraordinary effort to reach the summit uses up all strength and resources, resulting in death on the descent.
The title says the mountain caused the deaths, but it was the people's choices that caused their deaths!! People taking risks with their lives and making mistakes, they caused their own deaths!!!!
As a professional mountain guide there’s alotta options in these comments that’s ludicrous! You really can’t form an opinion without having a complete understanding of who they are, their equipment and the entire situation. With that said my good buddy was the professional guide that was mentioned in the video.
People think they're an expert on everything and can judge complication situations after watching a few TH-cam videos and skimming a Wikipedia article. It's ridiculous.
You're correct as a long-time mountaineer, I can say unless you are there in the situation. You have no idea about the true situation
It's easy to judge from safety of the couch. I think it's very interesting that the most damning comments are usually from people who proudly admit they would never attempt something so "foolishly." The comments from other climbers are usually full of empathy even as they point out the lessons to be learned. Personally, I'm one of those couch dwellers. I don't have any hobby about which I'm so passionate that I would face such harsh conditions or risk my life. But I do admire those who do push their bodies in that way, the discipline and mental fortitude, the love of nature, and the strong compassion many climbers display towards their fellows...all that is commendable. Your friend is a great example of that compassion. Putting his own life at risk to try and help. This world needs more people like him.
Finally
@@sluggle7694 nothing but armchair quarterback here
Idk, it’s just hard to feel bad for them. Mountains like Denali and Everest regularly claim people, there is nothing up there to gain besides more ego.
Ya and in city's nobody ever dies it's safe city. Where I live there's death every day 24-7. 💀
I think people who die mountain climbing are 100% accountable for the risk of death it involves.
I disagree that it’s all about ego, though. Plenty of people treat it like a competitive sport where it’s all about the rush and the summit, that’s true.
But an awful lot of mountain climbers do it because they’re in love with the view and being immersed in nature and feel most at peace there. Those are typically the ones who don’t get summit fever or look to collect summits and are generally much more risk-averse so they turn up less in these stories.
I feel like Denali shouldn’t be compared to Everest here. Not even 6000m. I regularly get to over 5000, I drive my car to over 4800 like once a month (in Peru). Yes you have to go slow at 6000. 5000 is roughly half the air pressure. You can’t run at over 5000 if you didn’t acclimatize for a long time. But if you don’t over exert your body too much you do still function there. The 8000 plus in the Himalaya are different, I wouldn’t wanna try that. But I feel like below 6000 shouldn’t be an issue for an otherwise healthy person. Sure the weather can kill you, but that can happen at sealevel. Wear appropriate clothing, plan the route, if it’s a technically difficult climb you should be equipped and trained for it but again that’s not so much the altitude. Don’t risk it in marginal weather. But a height like Denali isn’t that crazy to me. Everest is crazy. Batshit crazy.
@martinschlegel1823 It's so unfortunate you know nothing of Denali. Because of its latitude is really around 23,000 feet because its near the poles and has recorded temperatures of -148°
In winter. I've summited the mountain 3 times and traversed it also. It starts at 300 feet elevation and goes to over 20,000 feet so it's higher than everest in climbable elevation. It has a 50% success rate if it's easy go climb it in winter solo like I tried in 1996 and was lucky to get away with only frostbite.
@@123-o8u1j yeah I can understand the weather being an issue due to the latitude . But for me that’s just a: don’t climb in marginal weather. If you’re unsure if the weather will be good enough, don’t go. And if that means you miss your chance for this year so be it. There are so many stories even of much lower peaks with whole groups dying due to weather. I don’t know how many days a year the weather is “good” but I climb mountains because I like the views, the experience, if a mountain says not today you got to respect that. In todays age the weather forecasts are good and you shouldn’t easily get surprised. But my point stands that I think it’s not comparable to mount Everest. I’ve climbed mountains with altitudes similar to Denali, I wouldn’t assume I’m able to climb Everest.
Before embarking on a dangerous mountain climb people must evaluate their skills, the conditions, and their fitness.
And don’t forget to pack a Mr. Buddy!
I totally agree with below. They’re adults and it’s their choice to risk their life like that. .
We get it you don’t take risks ever:.
on the side of the road i could help out but ya gotta have some screws loose to spend weeks climbing up something to turn around and come back down
“I didn’t pack a Mr. Buddy because I thought you did.”
Oops
Yeah, I hate it when that happens. 😉
On this episode of play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
Imagine you run a marathon and the last 5 out of 100 runners get shot. That's mountain climbing. Maybe pick a different challenge
One common theme that is prevalent on all these high peaks, is the abruptly changing weather. Life changing to.have the best weather forecast money can buy. Your life depends on it
Do they leave climber bodies that don’t make it like on Everest and other mountains
Probably
No. They recover them.
What you see on Nepali side of Everest is actually unusual.
@johnrossford7927 I've heard they do leave them but move them out of sight?
It depends if its considered to dangerous and will put other people at risk by recovering the bodies then yes they will leave them.
Bodies with bright clothes are good markers...
Wow I feel like the season just started. Expeditious timing by Terror Twin
Disappointed with some of these responses vilifying the climbers. A huge percentage of Americans go on and on about "freedom" and their rights (to risk their lives in so many ways). If climber's needed to go before a government official and prove that they had the choops to safely do this climb prior to the attempt (as I think they should) some of these same naysayers would go absolutely nuts.
People should be free to climb any public mountain they want. However there should never be any government-funded attempts to save them, only volunteers or privately paid insurance rescuers.
And their estates should be fined if their possessions or bodies remain on the mountain if they die.
Denali didn’t kill anybody the conditions in which these people put themselves in resulted in their untimely passing
I hope they charge these idiots fully for the helicopter rides and search effort. Then quadruple the price.
Yes, it is called an insurance
I'm not a mountaineer but don't have to be to know that summit fever can get you into trouble....what hell is the definition of a mountaineer anyways..I just climbed the steepist trail on AT today ...does that make me a mountainqu..r.....idiot
Denali did nothing. It is a non emotional lump of rock, ice, and snow. If you go there and die thats on you. Dont blame the mountain. Your limitations were surpassed and you lost.
Remember, summit is 1/2 way there.
Climb smart if you die you loose the game!
Mother Nature and these mountains are sick of these people.
So am I 😩😩
60 millions years what a stupidity 😂😂
👍🐿🙁
I really appreciate the successes made by each climber, even those who didn’t summit. I climbed Machu Picchu and got altitude sickness at a mere 10,137 ft, after spending 3 days below in an effort to acclimate. Without this frame of reference I would have no idea just how hard of a challenge real mountaineering is.
Hyperthermia?? Are they wernt on a desert island
*hypothermia
You talks smartly🙆
Denali caused the deaths or ppl just being wreckless and doing shit humans arent meant to do? If you die skydiving for example i have NO sympathy for you.
Another season on Mt McKinley where inexperienced climbers put rescuers lives at risk because they pushed on when they should have turned back.
Two of the rescued climbers were still able to move under their own power. Why did they not help their friend down while they had the chance?
It appears that they called for rescue because they couldn't be bothered descending. Disgraceful.
Selfish people like this give climbers a bad name.
It is called Denali like should .
@@stevemorris6790 well that's what woke Liberals call it I guess.
It's correct name is Mt. McKinley. If that hurts your feel-feels then you need to raise that with your therapist, not some random stranger on utube.
@@paulgrey8028why are you so offended?
@@annalau2596 offended by what exactly?
No, I'm no overly sensitive Liberal.
Perhaps you need to direct your question to @stevemorris.
@@paulgrey8028why you mention liberals in both responses. Sounds like you’re the one with soft feelings. The true name from the locals is Denali. I’ve climbed it twice,show some respect.
As someone living in Peru and regularly driving to over 4800m, having climbed frequently to quite a bit higher, mostly in light clothes with normal hiking boots, it sounds strange to me how apart from the weather a mountain like Denali can be that dangerous.
I have carried an 8yo to 5300m. Neither me or my kids or wife seem to have problems with height at least below 5500. I did have a passenger in my car once who got altitude sick and it was scary because you’re on winded mountain roads, it was snowing, you can only drive on, getting slowly down the mountain… many friends have oxygen in their cars, might get some as well. But for me and my family it was never necessary. I have had snowball fights around 5000m with my daughter several times already… I really feel like up to 6000 shouldn’t be a big thing if you are fit and respect the mountain. Everest and the Himalayas are a different beast, over 8000m is crazy.
The weather is the real killer. 6000m near the equator is nothing like 6000m less than 400 km from the Arctic Circle. There's no equivalent of high altitude plus polar conditions on Earth. The glacier begins at only a few hundred meters above sea level. The majority of deaths in Denali are not due to altitude sickness, but rather the extreme Arctic weather, avalanches, and falling into the crevasses. No amount of "respect" for a mountain or fitness can help you against a bus-sized piece of ice falling on you.
Well. Maybe you are just built different, genetically superior. Not sure I refer to the right area or ethnicity but I think there's stories about white settlers that tried to live high up and they would not do well. Pregnancies all failed. I think there's at least 2 ethnicities and mechanisms by which some people just deal well with less oxygen. On top of that there's simply being used to it.
@@gur262 being used to it is I guess a bigger part than genetics but below 6000… most people can get used to that without bigger issues.
Denali did not "cause" anything.
If you are not a mountaineer, don’t comment.
Your opinion isn’t needed.
If you are not snow, sun or rain, keep off mountains. Your dead body, your ego and the shite you invariably leave behind are neither wanted nor needed.
Agreed. Same as how people that don't drink and drive shouldn't comment on those that do since they don't do it themselves. It's science and stuff.
GFY
Typical arrogant climber.
Stop to speak in feet ffs
Could think of nothing more boring!