Now I am not one to jump conclusions as I have not experienced it myself. However I think it is safe to say that the announcement of the specs has raised some serious questions for me and many others
@@VirtualRealityOasis The inside out tracking is a huge step backwards. By going from a tracked experience to an inside-out, you lose a lot of functionality in FPS and Archery games. At least give us the option!
@@VirtualRealityOasis i´m realy interested in the difference of PC/GPU power required to run games on 1 single Display instead of 1 per eye. i hope there is rly no draw back on using the new Controllers with an old occulus :)
Cole Park I hope to god the Pro would have the same strength in graphics and power but with no PC required. I’d definitely buy it no matter how much it was. I mean eventually they’ll HAVE to develop such device. Not everyone has enough room & $ for PC and stuff.
@@bliglum The Oculus Quest is shaping up to be an amazing system. It looks like it will have fantastic games, it will play very well, and it will revolutionize the industry. Just don't try to claim it is something it is not. What he asked for was the *same* strength in graphics and power. Oculus Quest runs on a 2 generation outdated mobile processor and it shows with many of the games, PC VR runs on high end dedicated graphics hardware not limited by small size, heat or energy consumption which can outdo said processor by thousands of times if pushed to its max. A lot of current VR titles don't really punish the PC hardware but in the future the Quest won't be able to keep up with certain high end titles. Stormland and Asgard's Wrath, 2 Rift S launch titles, come to mind immediately for example. There's also a huge space limitation given the Quest's absolutely tiny storage space, if we start to see bigger, more "full" experiences which closely mirror flat/pancake games, the Quest won't keep up or run these games nearly as effectively. All you will do by trying to tell people the Quest is way *more* than it is in reality is hurt the product.
@@bliglum did you click read more? you didn't even respond to what i said to you or acknowledge any of the content of the comment beyond the first sentence
@@toml8273 @Justin It has increased resolution, bigger play area not restricted to a small 7 by 5 box due to sensors. The only thing that is a downgrade is the sound, but 90 percent of people were using their own headphones anywase. And a bit of color depth with the LCD. and doing a back shot may be impossible now but I never needed to do this in a game.
I was about to buy a normal rift but then I saw the rift S news that came out like in an hour before my purchase. Downgrade in refresh rate, no full support behind me and what not, I might as well have gotten a windows mixed reality headset if I wanted inside out tracking, I went and continued to buy the base rift
@@Somtric I the quest alone will make VR big. The fact that the S doesn't even support thunderbolt just leads me to believe that it's just another first gen windows mixed reality headset with some extra sensors and a lower fps. They honestly shouldn't even have bothered, Imo. The average consumer will buy the quest 9/10 times because it's untethered and it's the right direction for the future for VR. If you want my honest opinion though Google's going to pioneer the future of VR if they pull their heads out of their STADIA. They can use the same streaming tech into a standalone VR headset and literally just put a nice wifi receiver and a really nice panel in a pair of swimming goggles and you'll have one of the most light weight VR gaming experiences and all you would need is a very decent internet connection.
Shit,I wanted an improved rift not a downgrade,will stick with 90hz,oled screens,better tracking and great 3d headphones and see what a rift 2 will bring.
@@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace cable manegment should not be the standing factor of downgrading from basically 3 sensor to 2 sensor tracking. 2 sensor tracking is so bad
Michael Pegasiou shit was the first word that came to mind and out of my mouth as I went to the comments, yours was not only the first one I saw but the first word was the same as mine, shit. This is why the founders quit, Zuckerberg, we got Zuckerberged.
My concerns Mike.. 80hz refresh rate - does not sound good Bad speaker setup - I like the rift headphones I have now. Yeah we can use our own, but that was one of the negatives for me with the original Vive. Tracking to the rear - I shoot behind me in some games so this is a disappointment. I have the PSVR and hate the head strap. Rift was better. Definitely want your input when you try it.
Nice, we get the Quest for the casual users, and the S for the... also casual users, I guess. A bold move for Facebook to see things like StarVR and Pimax launching, and to launch two headsets at the same time, that seems to target the same demographic; I mean, seriously, they said: "screw it, why compete with Pimax, when we can compete with ourselves!"
@@sqlevolicious I haven't heard many complaints about the Pimax 5K Plus, I'll be getting that one this summer I'm pretty sure, unless there is some major reveal for some other promising VR headset by then.
So Oculus build their own vr unit, sell it and have success. Facebook buy Oculus, release a mobile version and then get someone else to make a worse version of the original
Sold my rift and bought rift s, I love it and it feels and looks so much better!!!! looks more focused, not blurry, more realistic, the resolution makes a huge difference! I totally recommend :)
@Pow3rus I agree that this is not good news, but as far as audio goes, you want to use intra-aural earphones for VR. I absolutely recommend the Klipsch S3m.
@Pow3rus By all means, keep your original Rift. I didn't say anything about getting rid of your Rift. I didn't say anything about tracking, either. My point was that having no built-in headphones doesn't really matter, because for the best sound you want to use intra-aural earphones. That's the only way to get the full spectrum of sound, including low bass. They also isolate outside noise, just like earplugs, which is important for VR.
Are you mad? Them ditching the horrible headphones for a 3.5mm jack is a great move, now I can finally use superior in-ear headphones. And the tracking may not be as good, but at least I won't have to mess around with shitty sensors all the time which is a huge turn off.
I would expect the PC version of the rift to be the best in class... At the moment I see little difference between the mobile version and this version. I don't see an advantage upgrading from existing rift device.
It's a device that is changing based on the info they've gained from selling to users (and not selling) and manufacturing products. They realized that OLEDs may be a little better, but not good enough to cost so much more. They realized outside in tracking was a little bit better, but not good enough to add so much cost and require people to setup beacons and use 3 extra USB hubs. They realized that 90Hz was a little bit better, but not good enough to require Rift S users to have higher recommended specs and split an already small user base. In return, they get to offer higher resolution to the same user base, a more comfortable halo strap, and they can probably start to make a profit off of their sales. You can bet they were selling it at a loss since day 1. This makes a ton of sense from their end, we just have to be glad they're not abandoning consumer PC VR, like everyone else (WMR won't see many more updates and they've shifted to Hololens for enterprise, Vive has moved to enterprise prices as well with Vive Pro Eye etc).
It also costs a lot of room to do it if you think about it. They want a sleeker design and removing the hardware allows for new room for the sensors. Im not too worried about the software as long as it fits the extremes (like me, I use all the way to the left)
@@VeryDavidChannel Well said, I think its a wise choice for Oculus end. Especially since they are aiming for the consumers, unlike their competition Vive. But in the end, I will be aiming for Vive it seems, I need my good tracking.
Just got the Oculus, gotta say there aren't many good Vr games out there right now. What I do recommend is that you get vrchat obviously (free anyway)... and the first game you get be Skyrim Vr. Now Skyrim Vr doesn't look great out of the box but you can get a lot of free graphics mods that will work in Vr and it looks stunning. I wouldn't pay 60$ for Skyrim Vr but if you're lucky like I was you may be able to snag a steam key for around 30-35$ from g2a or it might go on sale on steam. Right now I can tell you that modded Skyrim Vr is the best Vr game I have experienced.
When the rift came out 3 years ago I remember there were a lot of complaints. I decided to get one myself to try and I thought it was the greatest thing ever. I am going to keep an open mind and try this out for myself once its released.
As a rift owner, I'll pass. I prefer the sensors to be honest, as I shoot in a lot of directions where I'm not even close to looking while playing shooters. I prefered the headphones from the original rift as well, the go sounds great for smaller videos, but playing music left a lot to be desired. Also I really am dissapointed in them for giving a danm about the game link type c connector. This really could bring the technology forward, but they have to keep... this. I'm interested how the 80 Hz will feel. The 72 Hz from the go felt strange already. The rift s basicly looks like a wmr headset, sorry. Out of all options including wmr, vive etc I still prefer the original rift. The fit is perfect, the controllers are perfect, the adjustments for the lens distance is perfect, the upgrade I need is resolution. Thank you for the video, this indeed gave me all the information I need.
Forgot all the moving, are we even able to stand naturally with our hands by our sides and still get tracking on them! I think the Rift will return, or the "Rift 2" will have sensors, because this is pretty lacking. The new controllers are cool, it takes the Touch and removes a bit of the extra used space on the sides of the handle.
I do believe we see a second rift gerneration. I see this more like a "htc had a vive pro we have to do something similar." I wonder what oculus's answer to the knuckels controllers will be.
Lol well this take sure aged like shit! Oculus Insight has WAAAAAAAAY better & more accurate tracking than the old CV1 IR cameras. Seems this freaking dumbass doesn't understand how wide-angle cameras work. 🤣
@@colesonfrey With respect, you are not fully educated on this subject. There is no ability to adjust the separation of the lenses. This is entirely different from the separation of rendered images, and cannot be compensated for in software. If it could, it would have been done that way from the beginning instead of wasting money on a "useless" HW feature. This was done in order to save money, and means that only a small percentage of people will get the maximum FOV and minimum distortion--the ones whose IPD happen to align more or less perfectly with the offset of the lenses.
@@bricaaron3978 the lenses dont need to be moved in order for our vision to be fooled the correct way. Franel lenses and the screen only do one thing and thats point the light into our eyes in ways to trick the brain into immersion, software can do exactly that
@@colesonfrey The ability to adjust lens separation has nothing to do with achieving stereoscopy, which is what I assume you mean by fooling one's vision. Instead of explaining the principles, allow me to simply ask a question: If it doesn't matter how well the eyes are aligned with the lenses--whether VR headsets, binoculars, etc.--then why do manufacturers "waste money" on including the ability to adjust lens separation?
Not sure if you'll see this but I hope you're already aware that your videos are just excellent. This was a great video for those who are already VR enthusiasts with friendly moments for those thinking about getting in to it. You include details very smoothly for both crowds that I don't think would bother the opposite crowd. Great video, keep up the great work.
So basically an over glorified WMR headset by Facebook? I'll pass and stick to my normal rift. I will not touch an lcd panel vr headset. Plus numerous other issues with this.
@@thehumblewolf WMR = Windows Mixed reality. It is a set of VR Headsets which run of the Windows 10 WMR API designed by Microsoft for the mid-range budget side of PCVR. Still has full functuality of steamVR and uses the power of your pc but they are a lot cheaper than the rift/vive/pimax top range HMD. The tracking and general specs are usually inferior although in cases like the odyssey+ the screen is one of the best above the top tiers. Search them up. Also the issue with an LCD panel is primarily the huge lack in colour quality. The normal rift and vives have OLED panels providing an almost perfect colour contrast and perfect black and whites. An LCD panel will create bluish whites and grainy blue blacks with slight colour bleed. Not great for immersion. Although the response time may be slightly better but not noticeable. There are other issues but those are the main ones.
WMR is fantastic and often costs 199$ to 299$. I bought Odyssey+ for 299$. 2880x1600 OLED, no screen-door effect, built-in AKG headphones, super super.
Amusing to see all the 99% negativity about Rift S in the comments from people `tyre kicking' on spec alone when noone has actually used it - its like a virus spreading through the air :) Its all about the total experience when you put it on your head ! From what I've seen from all the videos and reports that I have seen so far from people that have used it at GDC is 100% good experience so far . No deal breakers yet . Look forward to see VRO's first impressions !
Yeah, I think it’s important for people to keep an open mind and try it if they can. Looking forward to getting hands on in a couple of days and reporting back []-)
4:58 I didn't realize the Quest was a PC-based headset. Maybe learn about misplaced modifiers before you write your script. Or hire an editor. Or, if you have an editor, fire them and hire a new one.
I don't know about that. I have a standard Rift and honestly the lack of Sensors alone may be worth upgrading for me. Along with convenience of adjustment of head piece. I'll wait until it comes out and gets some reviews beforehand, but those are huge for me.
It really depends on what you game. For me, it's entirely my PC flight sim DCS World. I'm seated and not walking around like other games. So, the sensors being gone wouldn't be bad...but unless there's some impressive resolution changes...I'm skipping :)
@@WhereNerdyisCool Sensors being gone for me free up a couple of the USB slots. meaning that I wouldn't have to use my external 4 bay USB just to play games with my flight sim pedals/throttle/joystick. It draws too much power and prevents my eye tracker from loading if I have too many USB slots full anyways.
people who claim this as a downgrade need to get checked... theres sidegrades about it sure, but 80hz feels no different than 90 (even 72 feels the same) and the audio system in go is impressive as heck. bringing the costs down has been oculus' goal since they released, and they just made another step into being able to do that further. I can see this headset being 299 before the holidays
@@gumzster sure because you got to put it on and judge it. people at GDC are saying the screen is overall better (except the color, which is not that bad). the refresh rate is negligible. don't take my words for it, im just saying what people at GDC said
It's clearly entirely focused on reducing the barrier to entry. It's a modest upgrade in resolution and optics, but a downgrade in pretty much everything else. Even the tracking solution, though definitely more convenient, has more controller tracking deadspots. I'm glad that's their focus at the moment because that's the way to grow the user base. I just won't personally be 'upgrading' (really more of a sidegrade). I'll hold off for the real upgrade with eye tracking, foveatated rendering, significant resolution bump and varifocal lenses which I'm guessing is 2 years away.
Its still out of reach for most people because it requires a vr-ready PC. Not only do most people feel they can't afford one, they don't know how to use one, let alone, take care of it. The quest is for the normies. The Rift S was supposed to be for us and Oculus has basically said to us, "fuck you, stop asking about enthusiast grade hardware, we only care about money and we want everyone that actually cares about high-end VR, out of the company".
@EVOLICIOUS *'"...we only care about money and we want everyone that actually cares about high-end VR, out of the company".'* It's Facebook. I mean...is this surprising? I believe that if people forced themselves to say "Facebook Rift" instead of "Oculus rift", their perceptions would generally align better with reality.
@@sqlevolicious They're still working on a Rift 2. Even what they've already shown from their experiments and prototypes is super promising. You're right that the Rift isn't for the average user. I think the rift s is targeting basically the same demographics as cv1 - people that already have gaming PCs. But the minimum reqs are much more within reach now so more people can jump in without upgrading
Lol well this sure aged like shit! 🤣 Oculus Insight absolutely ROFLSTOMPS the CV1's external IR cameras for tracking accuracy & speed. Like it's not even close... And to truly get "better deadspot coverage" w/ a CV1 setup than insight on Rift S or Quest required a stupid expensive & hassle to setup FOUR sensor setup, MINIMUM!
And I hope my Touch will stay in good shape, cause I don't want those new touch controller. I love my archery games, and this inverted torus will be in the way.
I am glad i got the rift when it was on sale. Seems like the Rift S took 2 steps forward and 3 steps backwards. I will be patiently waiting for a true Rift follow up
@@jimmyjoe1488 What we see in Sword Art Online won't be happening for centuries to come, if it ever does. Just saying. My guess is that the companies developing the technology will just milk it dry, rather than realize its full potential.
MechanicalLens You never know, there could be a breakthrough. (but I doubt there will be) Even so, I wouldn't want to experience it until I can experience it properly, even if that means I *never* get to experience it.
Dont rage at me pls. But i'm not so sure about all the spec things, how much of a visible downgrade is the screens? And if it' not to much visibly, isn't it worth it for the AR, and the headset tracking, i now that it causes some issues, but it's still good. And maybe they could add sensors just for extra
Maybe start with a Quest like me and then go for any PC Headset later on, Maybe the community manages it to port the quest to PC~ going for the Quest seems the least risky step into vr for me ^^
I love my rift right now except the headphone issues that keep dropping on the right side but I don't see this as an upgrade. But like you said: "cheaper for the masses". However, with that being said, I don't see a cheaper price to even offer this to the masses. It is a nice package for not having sensors and setting up anywhere. I, unfortunately, am prejudging this as a failure which is sad for me to say because I normally don't prejudge. I think this is going to give HTC the opportunity to steal the leading edge in the VR market or others like HP VR headset I just read about. I was hoping this was going to be an upgrade. Now I think I will be looking more at what others have to offer.
I like the fact that this will be the new default pc headset (for oculus) and getting rid of the of oculus, it’s like keeping it organized if that makes any sense, so not to many old Vr headsets are out are still out and stock taking up space on what can be better. Even thou it seems like a refresh.
thank you for this so much. im only gonna buy this when they put back the built in headphones and put a rechargeable dock for the controllers. i have to say the removed sensors is amazing. (may be a little farfetched but a wireless headset with a rechargeable dock for that too would be sick) :o
While removing the sensors does sound good, it just causes such a huge blondspot and the controller will lose tracking if they aren't not seen by the cameras. So many people will be at a disadvantage with certain games especially shooters
In terms of virtual reality and frames per second, it is significant. However, a jump from 90Hz to 80 Hz is almost unrecognizable. If it was perhaps an extra 15Hz difference - not 10Hz, then yes. But even in VR, the 10 Hz difference is not almost undetectable.
Thomas V. It says in the vid. Unless you’re asking about the difference’s effect on people. I play a lot of vr, and can tell when it dips. Even slight dips throw you off the experience
I would wait till the next big leap in pc vr personally. It all really depends on how much they've reduced screen door effect and how much better the resolution looks. I'd have to try one out first before I determine which I'd prefer. Idrc about 80 hz vs 90 bcuz I've been playing modded Skyrim VR which is about 50-60 fps for me and it doesn't really bother me so that's not a big factor. from OLED to LCD kinda sucks but again I'd need to test it to see the difference. Basically, just wait until the new jump in PC VR experience is all pros and no cons before you make a decision. Unless somehow you get to try one out and realize the resolution and reduced screen door effect is totally worth it then I'd say sell the rift or find a way to trade it in for the S
Look on the bright side of life. At least we know what S stands for. It's so obvious now: Oculus S(hit) Augustus once said: "I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble." Mark Zuckerberg can now proudly paraphrase his quote: "I bought Oculus a company of marble and left it as the company of Shit."
When you get hands on with the rift s can you check out if the foam facial interface can be replaced and if the rubber nose guard is removable. I had huge problems with fogging on the rift until I replaced the foam with the interface you recommended which cleared the problem immediately. The rift s looks like a potential facial sauna at the moment which for me would make it a no brainer avoid. To be honest the rift s is a mixed bag anyway so I would be iffy at getting one but ditching the sensors would make life a whole lot easier where I use it.
I'm sceptical about the screen and the tracking. These are my main concern. Well, now I just have to save lots of money and buy a vive xD just kidding, I'll keep my oculus rift forever if the "upgrade" is a no sensor tracking LCD headset (and with shitty audio)
Nice wrap up. Dk2 and CV1 early adopter here - I'm really hoping all these changes will be improvements or at least not negatives . Having suffered he audio out problem myself I can understand them going for the KISS principle to make the audio more robust . The sound on GO is really good and I like the added feeling of knowing I can still have some external awareness if it cuts through . I'm feeling very positive about Rift S. The GO shows a massive reduction in SDE so I'm really looking forward to how good things will look in Rift S with some SS to take advantage of the extra resolution .
So the Oculas S has higher resolution over the Oculas rift?? I primarily use my oculas rift for Xplane 11 in VR for practice purposes at home. I would welcome a higher sharper resolution. How would the lower hz frequency impact on the experience if at all?? And do you think the image quality and overall experience be less due to the Oculas S being LCD rather than Oled?? Any feedback on the above would be most welcome. Thanks.
MayDay GoingDown!! Can you even get 90 FPS on xplane? I have a beast of a computer, but xplane is still running open gl from 2002. It only utilises 1 cpu core. It’s VERY poorly optimised to make use of any new hardware from the last 15 years.. You get reasonable performance if you force 45fps and turn off Asynchronous Time warp by opening xplane.exe through oculusdebug, otherwise the ground and windows do weird shit in the sim and performance is a bit all over the place! The big talk around the new xplane is they are going to be running an entirely new game engine from this century! Wahoooo, but by that stage I’ll be nearly flying Fokker 100s for real so.. ehhh lol
@@ibsn87 lol yes I also disable Async in the oculas dev tool...I also use 1.3000000 for the pixel density. I get 45 frames on my old i7 4770k and 1080ti which is perfectly fine in VR for me and my Xplane settings are all high apart from textures which is set to Max. I'm just wondering if this new Oculas S will make it look even better due to its native higher resolution. The new engine is Vulkan, it will allow Xplane 11 to use Multicore CPU'S so no more using a couple of cores only.
MayDay GoingDown!! Ohhhh I have the 4770k and a 1080 also! But 45 fps is about as good as it gets. I literally would have bought the rift based on a better resolution and more clarity, but it seems it’s not worth the upgrade. I can’t believe they did away with the headphones! Such a good thing to just chuck on someone’s head to have a play! Regarding resolution. Zibo mod 737 is amazing but I do have to zoom to see most buttons. G1000 panels are fairly hard work too! I hop in a real plane with g1000 and it’s a breath of fresh air, hahah so easy to read and manipulate! I also work around the resolution by leaning way back and clicking re centre vision. And then lean forward. This momentarily has you sitting really close to everything and then when your ready to roll, click re centre vision again. It’s quick and it works. The market for flight aims is small. But utilising hardware would surely be beneficial for everyone! Flight sims have always always been clunky and slow even from the very first Microsoft flight simulator I can remember. I guess draw distances are usually crazy far unlike most games but still!
If they gave the quest the ability to plug into a pc then the quest would have covered the 'average consumer' on both platforms and be super versatile. Then they could have made a high end pc version for enthusiasts. Instead we essentially have 2 quests (mobile variant and pc variant) and enthusiasts get nothing. Very disappointing.
16 ft/5m cable is VERY nice! Won't need extension cables anymore! Very good job on this video Mike! This is the best polished video on Rift S ive seen so far
Please, Please, Please Mike - when it is finally released - could you consider doing a DIRECT CCOMPARISON video specifically for us original RIFT PC users. Just to get a true sense of how much (or not?) it might be worthy of an upgrade to the original Rift for PC players. As apposed to this more general, but still very interesting comparison video to the whole OCULUS family range.
Thankyou Mr VRO...……..and given that it now has it's OWN? outward facing sensors, does this mean that on the day of release - you have to change you sign off, to this [:]-) hahahaha
I have a lack of room so the original Rift was already a hard pass for me because of all of the external equipment needed, I simply have no room for it. That aside I already have a WMR headset.
It's essentially the same thing as a WMR headset now because of the Inside out (Insight) tracking. Still with that said, there are better WMR Headsets available like the Samsung Odyssey
@@kurisu7885 holy shit. Are you an ant? You do know that rift sensors are smaller than your hand, right? Like, you would literally have to live in a shoe box to not have room. Seriously?
@@I-Know-Best Maybe what they're saying and what they initially thought are two different things? Why are they putting inferior panels in their new enthusiast headset? Their portable Quest has better panels, even though it's an android device.
@@maskofman7350 it's an 80hz LCD. sure, lower screen door effect. But the original rift has a diagonal screen door effect that to me gives it more of an antialiasing effect making the image look less pixelated. Which is why I prefer my oculus rift over my vive, because vive looks so pixelated in comparison. Also, people are saying the Rift S has a slightly lower FoV than the original Rift (even though oculus said 'slightly higher'). FoV is very important for immersion. This is not an upgrade.
Done supporting Oculus. Wouldn't care about the S being worse than the Oculus in everything BUT resolution, but the fact they're completely done selling the original Rift has me fed up. I got one used and enjoyed it for a bit but had to sell, figured I'd buy a new one but that's not an option now. Guess I'll wait for the knuck controllers and the vive 2.
Also Oculus is full of shit on the setup being an issue thing. It takes five seconds to plug in the sensors and toss them on a desk, not worth dropping it for inferior tracking at a higher price.
On paper I seems like a sidegrade to me and in general I'm not overly crazy with the direction Oculus seems to be going. I think I'm going to start saving for a Vive.
@@3536mj WOAH! do NOT get the vive pro. If you need to save up, it's not worth your cash. just stick a deluxe audio strap and a dumbbell to the original and you have a vive pro. seriously though, make sure you're ready to fling $800 for a bigger, heavier HMD.
This seems like 2 steps forward, and 8 steps backward. The choices made here are absolutely baffling. I'm sure it will be a decent headset, and the drop in refresh rate shouldn't be too noticeable, but the fact that we are getting a downgrade in that department at all is just unacceptable. It's been three years, if anything that should have improved. I was really expecting something like 120 hz. And not having that unified USB type C connector is also confusing. If they went with Type C, it would be extremely easy and cheap to convert to USB and HDMI/DP/whatever the hell you want. They could even throw an adapter in the box. Having display port instead of HDMI on the connector is also frustrating if you have a PC with an HDMI port in the front. Manufacturers put those ports on PCs almost specifically for the Rift and now the new Rift won't work with it. I know the cable will be replaceable, but you just know it's going to be a proprietary connector like on the current Rift, so you are going to have to buy an expensive ass cable that you can only get from Facebook. Kind of a pain in the ass just for the convenience of not having to connect your new rift to the back of your PC.(although tbf you can just get an HDMI to DP adapter for like $5 on Amazon, but still it's more shit to buy). Oh, and then the panel in the Rift S is going to be the same as the panel in the Go??? What the fuck is that about??? Why doesn't it have the same resolution as the Quest? They're both the same price and the Rift S doesn't have any processor in it or anything! If anything it should have a higher refresh rate version of the Quest panels. Well, at least they made my decision of whether to get the Rift S or the Quest a whole lot easier. And the old Rift will probably be a lot cheaper now too. Look at the bright side.
@@maskofman7350 Tbf I haven't tried the Go. I'm sure it's good, and true, it is higher resolution than the Rift. But still, it's not as good as the screen in the Quest. Considering that the Quest is the same price as the Rift S, there's no reason that the Quest should have a better screen. And there's no reason that the $400 Rift S should have the same screen as the Go which is half it's price. While the downgrade in refresh rate from the Rift to the Rift S may be minimal, and might not even be very noticeable, there is absolutely no reason there should be any downgrade at all. Like, that's not how technology works! Things should be getting better, not worse! Even if it is only slightly.
I just bought a Rift 3 weeks ago. I didn’t know the were coming out with a newer model. Looks like I won’t be missing anything though. I do like my Rift a lot. Daughter played it and now she wants one.
I'm glad it's not a total upgrade from standard rift and rather just a redesigned one, as I bought my Rift just recently and worried the Rift S would make it feel obsolete, even though I knew it was just a mid-generation stop gap and not a next gen device.
This is very disappointing I was holding out on buying a VR, waiting to see what the next gen RIFT would be but looks like i should have jest got the old one all along.
If you really feel like jumping in you better do it now or start robbing banks to get a Vive. I got the very last one in my entire metropolitan area, possibly the last in the state today; I had to call everywhere to find it and even then it was an hour's drive away. The Microsoft guy clearly wanted it for himself, he was giving me all kinds of strange excuses why the S and Quest or either of the Vives would be better choices.
I'm really disappointed that they didn't make any product that appeals to the current rift users. I'm legit bummed about headsets right now. The Original Rift is still the best fit for me out of the current options. VR isn't dead, but this week my passion towards VR has decreased. I have 400 bucks that I'm saving for a vacation now instead if a new VR headset or games. I'm not going to invest in very many new games either, as it feels bad to reward Oculus by buying their games. Maybe I'll get over this, but if valve doesn't come through, VR might lose it's luster compared to other hobbies I could invest in.
i agree man how many years have vr been out now and how many full games with 100hrs+ playtime to complete do we have>? really disappointed they seem to make all these headsets and forget to make anything worthwhile to do on them. i basically only use mine to play beat saber and watch netflix.. i love VR ... buti just wish they would focus more on games.. and leave the minimal upgrade headset until they are ready to release rift 2.
I had the DK1 and waited since. Thats the Headset i waited for. Inside Out Tracking, less Screendoor and Controllers for a reasonable price. I will buy it.
It looks like Oculus wants to optimise investment of the Quest by reusing compounds on the rift to keep pricing down on both devices including Go. Purpose to make VR more easy and affordable. Unfortunately it appears to shift with some downgrade of original rift capabilities. New age for Oculus away from original projet ?
if they dont make games which continue to support the original rift ... they are going to lose a lot of customers myself included.. all games they make should support all their headsets.. if not i am never buying another product from them ever again.
Rudl Za Vedno yep just what I was thinking. I could only imagine Lucky put up a fight trying to get a good new vr HMD and told them they can take their job and shove it after seeing this corporate greed driven POS. I just deleted my FB account!
I own a Rift CV1 and I am definitely selling it and getting the Rift S. I think that the tracking method is so much better and will provide a much smoother experience. It also makes the rift a lot more portable, so if you ever have to change rooms in the house, you can easily do so. And another game changer is the pass through. I always have to take my headset off when I want to drink or see who's at my door - but now I no longer have to do that. Yes the screen may be a downgrade but reduced god rays and screen door effect as a trade off is, in my opinion, better. I do wish they kept the old audio system though because it would provide a more immersive play space but they have now put a 3.5mm jack on the headset. The band of the old rift - i'm going to be honest now, I didn't really enjoy/like because it made the headset feel very heavy on the front, which made the headset feel less comfortable for long periods of time. However the new halo band (as they are calling it) and the new (nose connection part?) block light from entering the headset, providing a more immersive play space. I have no idea why they changed the controllers but they are lighter than the OG touch controllers which may be good or bad for some people. Overall, I think if you have the OG Rift CV1 and you have the money, take this side-step and grab the Rift S as the tracking is better and so much smoother (I don't know why people are saying the tracking is less accurate, the only thing that *slightly* draws it back is the fact that the controllers lose tracking when behind your back for 2 seconds or longer) and the new lenses and screen make the VR experience much more immersive, as god rays and SDE are *significantly* reduced if not removed. If you think otherwise, please comment as I would love to hear your opinion.
I'm really disappointed with the new headset design I have the Lenovo Explorer and it gives me a headache after a while with too much forehead pressure, and now oculus are using the same design!
what happens when oculus stops updating the rift mainly its tracking. I can see a time when windows updates and the cameras stop tracking and thats it no more 6dof.
Disappointing. Invest in the technology with true AAA titles and cutting edge hardware, Oculus. I'm a Rift owner looking for a real upgrade; this isn't it.
agree... we have yet to have a good fully fleshed out game in VR... just counltess early access never finished vr demos.. with 3 - 5 hours playtime .. we want 100hour playtime games ..
While I was disappointed they weren't making an overall improvement, it's actually great that this headset will appeal to people who don't want to bother with roomscale setups - more potential customers to help the VR scene grow, which is good. Because from what I understand, the camrera tracking covers more area than the Windows Mixed Reality headsets.
If I can eliminate my extension cords and 4 sensors all over the place and having to recalibrate them each time my son moves them or the dog knocks them over it’s a win in my book. Not to mention the constant disconnects from overloading my USB ports. Free up my usb and the cables and I’m in!
I like the inside out tracking but the display, smaller touch controllers, lenovo and lack of the audio we're used to worry me on the S. Even though Oculus doesn't seem to want to talk about it, while you're at PAX, can you please press them about battery life on the Quest? Thanks Mike, great job putting all the info together.
Good insightful video, but the actual rift S, leaves me cold :-( Which is a real shame as I've been very excited about what Ocu;us' answer to the Vive Pro would be, and the answer seemingly is a sidegrade from the mobile phone based branch of their technology tree. I say this as it strikes me that the oculus go was an evolution of the Samsung Gear VR, which in turn spawned the quest, and from the specs the Rift S looks like a modified quest.
I don't know how they can consider this new audio setup acceptable. I'll want to check it out for myself, but it can't possibly have any bass response whatsoever, can it? OTOH, suddenly the spare unused Rift I've been holding onto might now have more value.
Now I am not one to jump conclusions as I have not experienced it myself.
However I think it is safe to say that the announcement of the specs has raised some serious questions for me and many others
Yeah, I can see that the community is really divided on this one []-)
From what other reviewers have said, the 10 hz isnt very noticable, especially since the quest and go run at 72 hz. We'll have to see I guess
@@VirtualRealityOasis The inside out tracking is a huge step backwards. By going from a tracked experience to an inside-out, you lose a lot of functionality in FPS and Archery games. At least give us the option!
@@VirtualRealityOasis i´m realy interested in the difference of PC/GPU power required to run games on 1 single Display instead of 1 per eye.
i hope there is rly no draw back on using the new Controllers with an old occulus :)
@@VirtualRealityOasis Divided 90/10. I think after 3 years we are ready for Rift 2 and not a refresh.
Yes, a refresh was due.. But we wanted an improvement, not a step back in many ways... Very disappointed.
Cole Park I hope to god the Pro would have the same strength in graphics and power but with no PC required. I’d definitely buy it no matter how much it was. I mean eventually they’ll HAVE to develop such device. Not everyone has enough room & $ for PC and stuff.
@@superjasim What you're thinking of (good VR performance without the PC) is coming, it's called the Oculus Quest.
@@bliglum The Oculus Quest is shaping up to be an amazing system. It looks like it will have fantastic games, it will play very well, and it will revolutionize the industry.
Just don't try to claim it is something it is not.
What he asked for was the *same* strength in graphics and power. Oculus Quest runs on a 2 generation outdated mobile processor and it shows with many of the games, PC VR runs on high end dedicated graphics hardware not limited by small size, heat or energy consumption which can outdo said processor by thousands of times if pushed to its max. A lot of current VR titles don't really punish the PC hardware but in the future the Quest won't be able to keep up with certain high end titles. Stormland and Asgard's Wrath, 2 Rift S launch titles, come to mind immediately for example. There's also a huge space limitation given the Quest's absolutely tiny storage space, if we start to see bigger, more "full" experiences which closely mirror flat/pancake games, the Quest won't keep up or run these games nearly as effectively.
All you will do by trying to tell people the Quest is way *more* than it is in reality is hurt the product.
@@hightoxicity9819 Oh for sure, the Quest looks great. It's the Rift S that looks like hot garbage.
@@bliglum did you click read more? you didn't even respond to what i said to you or acknowledge any of the content of the comment beyond the first sentence
Seems like going from an Xbox one to an Xbox one S. I think I will stick with my Rift
That's exactly what it is. Don't get why some people are treating it as a rift 2, it was never meant to be that.
@@toml8273 @Justin It has increased resolution, bigger play area not restricted to a small 7 by 5 box due to sensors. The only thing that is a downgrade is the sound, but 90 percent of people were using their own headphones anywase. And a bit of color depth with the LCD. and doing a back shot may be impossible now but I never needed to do this in a game.
@@zyloctal You haven't played Echo Combat then...
I was about to buy a normal rift but then I saw the rift S news that came out like in an hour before my purchase. Downgrade in refresh rate, no full support behind me and what not, I might as well have gotten a windows mixed reality headset if I wanted inside out tracking, I went and continued to buy the base rift
Same
So the big question is Are you going to change the headset in your intro?!!!!!!!!
Haha unlikely for a while []-)
@@VirtualRealityOasis)I think not because the rift you have in the intro represents all basics and how it will become greater
@@VirtualRealityOasis it'd be cool if you changed it to a quest
@M3th0d cc.
@M3th0d it has one USB and one display port and if you don’t have DisplayPort it has a adapter in the box
They really cheaped out with rift s....
@@Somtric I don't think this is going to attract casuals. Same problem persists: the PC.
It means Rift 2 will be better.
@@Somtric I the quest alone will make VR big. The fact that the S doesn't even support thunderbolt just leads me to believe that it's just another first gen windows mixed reality headset with some extra sensors and a lower fps. They honestly shouldn't even have bothered, Imo.
The average consumer will buy the quest 9/10 times because it's untethered and it's the right direction for the future for VR.
If you want my honest opinion though Google's going to pioneer the future of VR if they pull their heads out of their STADIA. They can use the same streaming tech into a standalone VR headset and literally just put a nice wifi receiver and a really nice panel in a pair of swimming goggles and you'll have one of the most light weight VR gaming experiences and all you would need is a very decent internet connection.
@@ronniewhitedx The only issue is latency, you would puke your gut's out if you played streamed games. Not gonna happen for VR.
It’s be better if we had the option to adjust the refresh rate. If we could do that and use external sensors, it would be great
I'm thinking of switching from psvr to quest, but I'll have to wait and see
Shit,I wanted an improved rift not a downgrade,will stick with 90hz,oled screens,better tracking and great 3d headphones and see what a rift 2 will bring.
The strap speakers and similar in "3D" experience. People even claim theyre better. Its not meant for current rift owners
@@deusprogrammer_thekingofspace cable manegment should not be the standing factor of downgrading from basically 3 sensor to 2 sensor tracking. 2 sensor tracking is so bad
Vive Pro here I come :D
The headphones and tracking on the original rift were horrible, I've not used mine in months because the sensors are a pain in the ass to set up
Michael Pegasiou shit was the first word that came to mind and out of my mouth as I went to the comments, yours was not only the first one I saw but the first word was the same as mine, shit. This is why the founders quit, Zuckerberg, we got Zuckerberged.
I ordered my rift, so excited!
vr hands tings hehe
You deserve more subscribers, your videos always look so good and professional! Keep up the good work!
big true
your profile picture is my wallpaper
My concerns Mike..
80hz refresh rate - does not sound good
Bad speaker setup - I like the rift headphones I have now. Yeah we can use our own, but that was one of the negatives for me with the original Vive.
Tracking to the rear - I shoot behind me in some games so this is a disappointment.
I have the PSVR and hate the head strap. Rift was better.
Definitely want your input when you try it.
I agree with all your points
The only thing im afraid of is the lack of any physical ipd adjustment
sollostyles Are you using ASW or not with 45 fps?
@sollostyles yeah cus the human eye can only see 15 fps
@sollostyles thats the most moronic thing i saw today
Nice, we get the Quest for the casual users, and the S for the... also casual users, I guess.
A bold move for Facebook to see things like StarVR and Pimax launching, and to launch two headsets at the same time, that seems to target the same demographic; I mean, seriously, they said: "screw it, why compete with Pimax, when we can compete with ourselves!"
and they did a shitty job doing that lmao
@@sqlevolicious I haven't heard many complaints about the Pimax 5K Plus, I'll be getting that one this summer I'm pretty sure, unless there is some major reveal for some other promising VR headset by then.
So Oculus build their own vr unit, sell it and have success.
Facebook buy Oculus, release a mobile version and then get someone else to make a worse version of the original
@@Mustis1524 Google it there are problems, a lot of them
Sold my rift and bought rift s, I love it and it feels and looks so much better!!!! looks more focused, not blurry, more realistic, the resolution makes a huge difference! I totally recommend :)
My heart rate went through the roof when I read the title of the video. Then I saw NO HEADPHONE and terrible tracking solution............
Cried.
@Pow3rus
I agree that this is not good news, but as far as audio goes, you want to use intra-aural earphones for VR. I absolutely recommend the Klipsch S3m.
@@bricaaron3978 I recommend to myself to keep my original oculus rift with perfect tracking and sound. Thanks me.
@Pow3rus
By all means, keep your original Rift. I didn't say anything about getting rid of your Rift. I didn't say anything about tracking, either.
My point was that having no built-in headphones doesn't really matter, because for the best sound you want to use intra-aural earphones. That's the only way to get the full spectrum of sound, including low bass. They also isolate outside noise, just like earplugs, which is important for VR.
People who have used it have been saying the tracking is better though
Are you mad? Them ditching the horrible headphones for a 3.5mm jack is a great move, now I can finally use superior in-ear headphones. And the tracking may not be as good, but at least I won't have to mess around with shitty sensors all the time which is a huge turn off.
I would expect the PC version of the rift to be the best in class... At the moment I see little difference between the mobile version and this version. I don't see an advantage upgrading from existing rift device.
Because it's not made for people who have the older rift. It's made to show off.
@@toututu2993 it's made to pull off something that has rarely happened in history. A upgraded downgrade devjce
It's a device that is changing based on the info they've gained from selling to users (and not selling) and manufacturing products. They realized that OLEDs may be a little better, but not good enough to cost so much more. They realized outside in tracking was a little bit better, but not good enough to add so much cost and require people to setup beacons and use 3 extra USB hubs. They realized that 90Hz was a little bit better, but not good enough to require Rift S users to have higher recommended specs and split an already small user base. In return, they get to offer higher resolution to the same user base, a more comfortable halo strap, and they can probably start to make a profit off of their sales. You can bet they were selling it at a loss since day 1. This makes a ton of sense from their end, we just have to be glad they're not abandoning consumer PC VR, like everyone else (WMR won't see many more updates and they've shifted to Hololens for enterprise, Vive has moved to enterprise prices as well with Vive Pro Eye etc).
It also costs a lot of room to do it if you think about it. They want a sleeker design and removing the hardware allows for new room for the sensors. Im not too worried about the software as long as it fits the extremes (like me, I use all the way to the left)
@@VeryDavidChannel Well said, I think its a wise choice for Oculus end. Especially since they are aiming for the consumers, unlike their competition Vive. But in the end, I will be aiming for Vive it seems, I need my good tracking.
this device will become my first step in VR :) can't wait :)
One of us! One of us!
Just got the Oculus, gotta say there aren't many good Vr games out there right now. What I do recommend is that you get vrchat obviously (free anyway)... and the first game you get be Skyrim Vr. Now Skyrim Vr doesn't look great out of the box but you can get a lot of free graphics mods that will work in Vr and it looks stunning. I wouldn't pay 60$ for Skyrim Vr but if you're lucky like I was you may be able to snag a steam key for around 30-35$ from g2a or it might go on sale on steam. Right now I can tell you that modded Skyrim Vr is the best Vr game I have experienced.
@@ans1l71 War Thunder or IL 2 are amazing in VR
@@kyle857 Haven't tried War Thunder in VR yet although I've played it flat alot.
Also definitely get beatsaber. forgot to mention that one
This is for ppl who havn't got a Rift, current Rift users won't get much out of this.
Thank you. That was the information I needed. I have no previous experience with VR, and a capable gaming pc.
i’m purchasing this one, as the rift is foing out of stock and the vive is too expensive, i guess im jut getting a downgrade but well it’s my first
perpendurcular 720 yeah i have a particularly well pc so im probably getting it during black friday if there’s a sale lol
What does S stand for? Sub-par hand tracking area?
Shill edition
I guess it's a alien/aliens joke.
When the rift came out 3 years ago I remember there were a lot of complaints. I decided to get one myself to try and I thought it was the greatest thing ever. I am going to keep an open mind and try this out for myself once its released.
As a rift owner, I'll pass. I prefer the sensors to be honest, as I shoot in a lot of directions where I'm not even close to looking while playing shooters. I prefered the headphones from the original rift as well, the go sounds great for smaller videos, but playing music left a lot to be desired. Also I really am dissapointed in them for giving a danm about the game link type c connector. This really could bring the technology forward, but they have to keep... this. I'm interested how the 80 Hz will feel. The 72 Hz from the go felt strange already. The rift s basicly looks like a wmr headset, sorry. Out of all options including wmr, vive etc I still prefer the original rift. The fit is perfect, the controllers are perfect, the adjustments for the lens distance is perfect, the upgrade I need is resolution.
Thank you for the video, this indeed gave me all the information I need.
Forgot all the moving, are we even able to stand naturally with our hands by our sides and still get tracking on them!
I think the Rift will return, or the "Rift 2" will have sensors, because this is pretty lacking.
The new controllers are cool, it takes the Touch and removes a bit of the extra used space on the sides of the handle.
I do believe we see a second rift gerneration. I see this more like a "htc had a vive pro we have to do something similar."
I wonder what oculus's answer to the knuckels controllers will be.
Lol well this take sure aged like shit! Oculus Insight has WAAAAAAAAY better & more accurate tracking than the old CV1 IR cameras. Seems this freaking dumbass doesn't understand how wide-angle cameras work. 🤣
LCD panel and NO IPD ADJUSTMENT??? This is a Lenovo Explorer with 3 more cameras and the Oculus sticker.
It still has ipd adjustment... werent you paying attention?
Ipd adjustment by software is useless..
@@colesonfrey
With respect, you are not fully educated on this subject. There is no ability to adjust the separation of the lenses. This is entirely different from the separation of rendered images, and cannot be compensated for in software. If it could, it would have been done that way from the beginning instead of wasting money on a "useless" HW feature.
This was done in order to save money, and means that only a small percentage of people will get the maximum FOV and minimum distortion--the ones whose IPD happen to align more or less perfectly with the offset of the lenses.
@@bricaaron3978 the lenses dont need to be moved in order for our vision to be fooled the correct way. Franel lenses and the screen only do one thing and thats point the light into our eyes in ways to trick the brain into immersion, software can do exactly that
@@colesonfrey
The ability to adjust lens separation has nothing to do with achieving stereoscopy, which is what I assume you mean by fooling one's vision. Instead of explaining the principles, allow me to simply ask a question:
If it doesn't matter how well the eyes are aligned with the lenses--whether VR headsets, binoculars, etc.--then why do manufacturers "waste money" on including the ability to adjust lens separation?
If they just made the Quest have a cable it would be 10x better. This just seems like a slap on the face to PC VR users tbh.
Not sure if you'll see this but I hope you're already aware that your videos are just excellent. This was a great video for those who are already VR enthusiasts with friendly moments for those thinking about getting in to it. You include details very smoothly for both crowds that I don't think would bother the opposite crowd.
Great video, keep up the great work.
So basically an over glorified WMR headset by Facebook? I'll pass and stick to my normal rift. I will not touch an lcd panel vr headset. Plus numerous other issues with this.
What’s wmr also what’s wrong with lcd panel?
@@thehumblewolf WMR = Windows Mixed reality. It is a set of VR Headsets which run of the Windows 10 WMR API designed by Microsoft for the mid-range budget side of PCVR. Still has full functuality of steamVR and uses the power of your pc but they are a lot cheaper than the rift/vive/pimax top range HMD. The tracking and general specs are usually inferior although in cases like the odyssey+ the screen is one of the best above the top tiers. Search them up.
Also the issue with an LCD panel is primarily the huge lack in colour quality. The normal rift and vives have OLED panels providing an almost perfect colour contrast and perfect black and whites. An LCD panel will create bluish whites and grainy blue blacks with slight colour bleed. Not great for immersion. Although the response time may be slightly better but not noticeable. There are other issues but those are the main ones.
WMR is fantastic and often costs 199$ to 299$. I bought Odyssey+ for 299$. 2880x1600 OLED, no screen-door effect, built-in AKG headphones, super super.
will i be able to use my old sensors with it, since there is clearly gonna be a ton of deadspots
I did explain this in the video but no []-/
Im mad about them taking the OG headset off of shelves, I was planning on getting a rift during the summer but now I might not be able to
There's always E-Bay!! With the new ones coming out, there should be a ton of used originals competing for lowest price!
@@killjoydod4937 Yeah but they are (so far) over priced and used, I'd prefer to get a brand-new one
Amusing to see all the 99% negativity about Rift S in the comments from people `tyre kicking' on spec alone when noone has actually used it - its like a virus spreading through the air :) Its all about the total experience when you put it on your head ! From what I've seen from all the videos and reports that I have seen so far from people that have used it at GDC is 100% good experience so far . No deal breakers yet . Look forward to see VRO's first impressions !
Yeah, I think it’s important for people to keep an open mind and try it if they can. Looking forward to getting hands on in a couple of days and reporting back []-)
you were saying that if we wanted to know anything so here i am... are they going to make a oculus certified wireless adapter for rift???
Good question, I'll ask but no doubt they'll say nothing can be confirmed at this time []-)
thx sooo much
4:58 I didn't realize the Quest was a PC-based headset. Maybe learn about misplaced modifiers before you write your script. Or hire an editor. Or, if you have an editor, fire them and hire a new one.
Thanks
All the other reviews I've seen all seem to say the same..."Meh..." If you have a rift, not worth upgrading. If you do not...go get it.
I don't know about that. I have a standard Rift and honestly the lack of Sensors alone may be worth upgrading for me. Along with convenience of adjustment of head piece. I'll wait until it comes out and gets some reviews beforehand, but those are huge for me.
It really depends on what you game. For me, it's entirely my PC flight sim DCS World. I'm seated and not walking around like other games. So, the sensors being gone wouldn't be bad...but unless there's some impressive resolution changes...I'm skipping :)
@@WhereNerdyisCool Sensors being gone for me free up a couple of the USB slots. meaning that I wouldn't have to use my external 4 bay USB just to play games with my flight sim pedals/throttle/joystick. It draws too much power and prevents my eye tracker from loading if I have too many USB slots full anyways.
@@Sumatchi no way in hell is this a viable replacement for the rift. The samsung odyessy is already here with bettter specs and bought for $299.
@@bumpsy2358 can odyssey be hooked to the PC and play all the steam games etc? I dont know much about that one. Only vive and oculus
Can I play blade and sorcery on this?
people who claim this as a downgrade need to get checked... theres sidegrades about it sure, but 80hz feels no different than 90 (even 72 feels the same) and the audio system in go is impressive as heck.
bringing the costs down has been oculus' goal since they released, and they just made another step into being able to do that further. I can see this headset being 299 before the holidays
@@gumzster I agree, this just seems so disappointing.
@@jonathandixon2736 check again?
@@gumzster sure because you got to put it on and judge it. people at GDC are saying the screen is overall better (except the color, which is not that bad). the refresh rate is negligible. don't take my words for it, im just saying what people at GDC said
Will you still be able to play games from our oculus rift library on the new headset???
Yep!
Yes []-)
Omfg he responded!
I'm a glasses wearer and a PSVR user looking to upgrade to PCVR..I'm excited for the Oculus Rift S.. Looks exactly like what I need
Eyebrow raised
VERY USEFULL! Please tell me how you can keep me focused on your videos ahahhaha. I have to say it again, you voice is soooooooooooo goood!
Thanks very much mate, I really appreciate it []-)
It's clearly entirely focused on reducing the barrier to entry. It's a modest upgrade in resolution and optics, but a downgrade in pretty much everything else. Even the tracking solution, though definitely more convenient, has more controller tracking deadspots.
I'm glad that's their focus at the moment because that's the way to grow the user base. I just won't personally be 'upgrading' (really more of a sidegrade). I'll hold off for the real upgrade with eye tracking, foveatated rendering, significant resolution bump and varifocal lenses which I'm guessing is 2 years away.
Its still out of reach for most people because it requires a vr-ready PC. Not only do most people feel they can't afford one, they don't know how to use one, let alone, take care of it. The quest is for the normies. The Rift S was supposed to be for us and Oculus has basically said to us, "fuck you, stop asking about enthusiast grade hardware, we only care about money and we want everyone that actually cares about high-end VR, out of the company".
@EVOLICIOUS
*'"...we only care about money and we want everyone that actually cares about high-end VR, out of the company".'*
It's Facebook. I mean...is this surprising?
I believe that if people forced themselves to say "Facebook Rift" instead of "Oculus rift", their perceptions would generally align better with reality.
It is going to cost more than the rift does now, and with less features and appeal.#sucker move for suckers
@@sqlevolicious They're still working on a Rift 2. Even what they've already shown from their experiments and prototypes is super promising.
You're right that the Rift isn't for the average user. I think the rift s is targeting basically the same demographics as cv1 - people that already have gaming PCs. But the minimum reqs are much more within reach now so more people can jump in without upgrading
Lol well this sure aged like shit! 🤣 Oculus Insight absolutely ROFLSTOMPS the CV1's external IR cameras for tracking accuracy & speed. Like it's not even close... And to truly get "better deadspot coverage" w/ a CV1 setup than insight on Rift S or Quest required a stupid expensive & hassle to setup FOUR sensor setup, MINIMUM!
Since the rift will go off sale does that mean I can’t buy anymore sensors?
Two steps forward, two steps back, and a lot of distracting jiggle in the middle.
Best VR videos on YT in my view. Too work fella!
Seems like a downgrade to me im glad I bought the rift when I could
Jasper Beekman same
And I hope my Touch will stay in good shape, cause I don't want those new touch controller. I love my archery games, and this inverted torus will be in the way.
It is a down grade. It's supposed to be a lower tier VRPC headset. Hopefully they announce the rift 2 in September that will probably be £600 or more.
Lol down grade. You guys are crazy
@@SheepAmongG.O.A.T lcd
I am glad i got the rift when it was on sale. Seems like the Rift S took 2 steps forward and 3 steps backwards. I will be patiently waiting for a true Rift follow up
You'll have to wait about 2 years,.
I can't wait for sword art online 😭
Oh yeah, more the headset, play while you sleep, perfect time saving :)
Fax
Honestly, I hope it doesn't come until we have proper full-dive. The experience will be mediocre without it.
@@jimmyjoe1488 What we see in Sword Art Online won't be happening for centuries to come, if it ever does. Just saying. My guess is that the companies developing the technology will just milk it dry, rather than realize its full potential.
MechanicalLens You never know, there could be a breakthrough. (but I doubt there will be) Even so, I wouldn't want to experience it until I can experience it properly, even if that means I *never* get to experience it.
Dont rage at me pls.
But i'm not so sure about all the spec things, how much of a visible downgrade is the screens?
And if it' not to much visibly, isn't it worth it for the AR, and the headset tracking, i now that it causes some issues, but it's still good.
And maybe they could add sensors just for extra
The Halo stile strap reminds me of the deluxe HTC VIVE strap but no epic headphones.
and that one reminds me of PSVR
Awesome recap Mike!
I've been wanting to jump into the vr headsets but i wanted to wait for the ''next gen'', yet they still haven't come out with one.
Maybe start with a Quest like me and then go for any PC Headset later on, Maybe the community manages it to port the quest to PC~
going for the Quest seems the least risky step into vr for me ^^
I’m glad I got the original rift for Christmas. Seems like the best rift in the lineup for me.
yup rift is the best .. rift s is just not anything impressive.. i dont even know why they would make it.
I love my rift right now except the headphone issues that keep dropping on the right side but I don't see this as an upgrade. But like you said: "cheaper for the masses". However, with that being said, I don't see a cheaper price to even offer this to the masses. It is a nice package for not having sensors and setting up anywhere. I, unfortunately, am prejudging this as a failure which is sad for me to say because I normally don't prejudge. I think this is going to give HTC the opportunity to steal the leading edge in the VR market or others like HP VR headset I just read about. I was hoping this was going to be an upgrade. Now I think I will be looking more at what others have to offer.
It's not really that cheap either, you can have a WMR for half the price on sale, and they are pretty much on par...
I like the fact that this will be the new default pc headset (for oculus) and getting rid of the of oculus, it’s like keeping it organized if that makes any sense, so not to many old Vr headsets are out are still out and stock taking up space on what can be better. Even thou it seems like a refresh.
thank you for this so much.
im only gonna buy this when they put back the built in headphones and put a rechargeable dock for the controllers. i have to say the removed sensors is amazing. (may be a little farfetched but a wireless headset with a rechargeable dock for that too would be sick) :o
While removing the sensors does sound good, it just causes such a huge blondspot and the controller will lose tracking if they aren't not seen by the cameras.
So many people will be at a disadvantage with certain games especially shooters
With the quest do we have to re buy games that we already bought on the oculus rift ?
DJTB _ As long as they were bought on your oculus account, I don’t think you’ll have to re-buy any games
can just buy WMR for similar spec around 200
@yantsan chan or better specs (samsung oydessy ) for less
@@bumpsy2358 Exactly, I think samsung oydessy is the best WMR so far
@@bumpsy2358 samsung odyssey is not cheaper than this
It's good to see Oculus releasing a WMR 1.5 head set. Nice😁
Not even 1.5, most wmr kits are far superior, other than the slightly better tracking.
Glad I bought my rift when I did. 80hz is a bigger deal than many might think
From what I've heard, the jump from 90 to 80 is almost unnoticeable.
Source?
In terms of virtual reality and frames per second, it is significant. However, a jump from 90Hz to 80 Hz is almost unrecognizable. If it was perhaps an extra 15Hz difference - not 10Hz, then yes. But even in VR, the 10 Hz difference is not almost undetectable.
Thomas V. It says in the vid. Unless you’re asking about the difference’s effect on people. I play a lot of vr, and can tell when it dips. Even slight dips throw you off the experience
So should i sell my original oculus rift and then buy the oculus rift s?
I would wait till the next big leap in pc vr personally. It all really depends on how much they've reduced screen door effect and how much better the resolution looks. I'd have to try one out first before I determine which I'd prefer. Idrc about 80 hz vs 90 bcuz I've been playing modded Skyrim VR which is about 50-60 fps for me and it doesn't really bother me so that's not a big factor. from OLED to LCD kinda sucks but again I'd need to test it to see the difference. Basically, just wait until the new jump in PC VR experience is all pros and no cons before you make a decision. Unless somehow you get to try one out and realize the resolution and reduced screen door effect is totally worth it then I'd say sell the rift or find a way to trade it in for the S
Look on the bright side of life. At least we know what S stands for. It's so obvious now: Oculus S(hit)
Augustus once said: "I found Rome a city of bricks and left it a city of marble."
Mark Zuckerberg can now proudly paraphrase his quote: "I bought Oculus a company of marble and left it as the company of Shit."
Oculus S hit???
@@adamadamm6996 he means oculus s(hit) as oculus shit
When you get hands on with the rift s can you check out if the foam facial interface can be replaced and if the rubber nose guard is removable. I had huge problems with fogging on the rift until I replaced the foam with the interface you recommended which cleared the problem immediately. The rift s looks like a potential facial sauna at the moment which for me would make it a no brainer avoid.
To be honest the rift s is a mixed bag anyway so I would be iffy at getting one but ditching the sensors would make life a whole lot easier where I use it.
I'm sceptical about the screen and the tracking. These are my main concern.
Well, now I just have to save lots of money and buy a vive xD
just kidding, I'll keep my oculus rift forever if the "upgrade" is a no sensor tracking LCD headset (and with shitty audio)
Nice wrap up. Dk2 and CV1 early adopter here - I'm really hoping all these changes will be improvements or at least not negatives . Having suffered he audio out problem myself I can understand them going for the KISS principle to make the audio more robust . The sound on GO is really good and I like the added feeling of knowing I can still have some external awareness if it cuts through . I'm feeling very positive about Rift S. The GO shows a massive reduction in SDE so I'm really looking forward to how good things will look in Rift S with some SS to take advantage of the extra resolution .
I'm not the only one that thinks this is a downgrade, right?
Because it is. It's a refresh kit for new consumers.
So the Oculas S has higher resolution over the Oculas rift??
I primarily use my oculas rift for Xplane 11 in VR for practice purposes at home. I would welcome a higher sharper resolution.
How would the lower hz frequency impact on the experience if at all??
And do you think the image quality and overall experience be less due to the Oculas S being LCD rather than Oled??
Any feedback on the above would be most welcome.
Thanks.
MayDay GoingDown!! Can you even get 90 FPS on xplane? I have a beast of a computer, but xplane is still running open gl from 2002. It only utilises 1 cpu core. It’s VERY poorly optimised to make use of any new hardware from the last 15 years..
You get reasonable performance if you force 45fps and turn off Asynchronous Time warp by opening xplane.exe through oculusdebug, otherwise the ground and windows do weird shit in the sim and performance is a bit all over the place!
The big talk around the new xplane is they are going to be running an entirely new game engine from this century! Wahoooo, but by that stage I’ll be nearly flying Fokker 100s for real so.. ehhh lol
@@ibsn87 lol yes I also disable Async in the oculas dev tool...I also use 1.3000000 for the pixel density.
I get 45 frames on my old i7 4770k and 1080ti which is perfectly fine in VR for me and my Xplane settings are all high apart from textures which is set to Max.
I'm just wondering if this new Oculas S will make it look even better due to its native higher resolution.
The new engine is Vulkan, it will allow Xplane 11 to use Multicore CPU'S so no more using a couple of cores only.
MayDay GoingDown!! Ohhhh I have the 4770k and a 1080 also! But 45 fps is about as good as it gets. I literally would have bought the rift based on a better resolution and more clarity, but it seems it’s not worth the upgrade. I can’t believe they did away with the headphones! Such a good thing to just chuck on someone’s head to have a play!
Regarding resolution. Zibo mod 737 is amazing but I do have to zoom to see most buttons. G1000 panels are fairly hard work too! I hop in a real plane with g1000 and it’s a breath of fresh air, hahah so easy to read and manipulate!
I also work around the resolution by leaning way back and clicking re centre vision. And then lean forward. This momentarily has you sitting really close to everything and then when your ready to roll, click re centre vision again. It’s quick and it works.
The market for flight aims is small. But utilising hardware would surely be beneficial for everyone! Flight sims have always always been clunky and slow even from the very first Microsoft flight simulator I can remember.
I guess draw distances are usually crazy far unlike most games but still!
If they gave the quest the ability to plug into a pc then the quest would have covered the 'average consumer' on both platforms and be super versatile. Then they could have made a high end pc version for enthusiasts. Instead we essentially have 2 quests (mobile variant and pc variant) and enthusiasts get nothing. Very disappointing.
I totally think the same. They had such a huge chance and missed it totally...
16 ft/5m cable is VERY nice! Won't need extension cables anymore! Very good job on this video Mike! This is the best polished video on Rift S ive seen so far
So they are exchanging some well working solutions on new questionable ones? Ok, Oculus...
Please, Please, Please Mike - when it is finally released - could you consider doing a DIRECT CCOMPARISON video specifically for us original RIFT PC users. Just to get a true sense of how much (or not?) it might be worthy of an upgrade to the original Rift for PC players. As apposed to this more general, but still very interesting comparison video to the whole OCULUS family range.
Yeah of course mate []-)
Thankyou Mr VRO...……..and given that it now has it's OWN? outward facing sensors, does this mean that on the day of release - you have to change you sign off, to this [:]-) hahahaha
I have a lack of room so the original Rift was already a hard pass for me because of all of the external equipment needed, I simply have no room for it. That aside I already have a WMR headset.
It's essentially the same thing as a WMR headset now because of the Inside out (Insight) tracking. Still with that said, there are better WMR Headsets available like the Samsung Odyssey
@@zeke7515
True. I have the one from Acer, probably not the best but wanted to start somewhere.
All the external equipment? You mean two tiny cameras? What are you talking about?
@@sqlevolicious
Eheh, in the space I have right now those two tiny cameras would take up more room than one might think.
@@kurisu7885 holy shit. Are you an ant? You do know that rift sensors are smaller than your hand, right? Like, you would literally have to live in a shoe box to not have room. Seriously?
Would be nice if you could check if reading text is much improved with the Rift-S
I will check []-)
I will check []-)
@@VirtualRealityOasis Thank you!
Why they removed the adjustable IPD, this is such a downgrade
Regis Souza, while many think it was removed, Oculus actually just moved it to the Oculus program itself, no physical dial this time.
Dude thx for time stamping the video your self even if I do watch the whole thing
The Rift S is their way to get rid of their stock pile of Oculus Go panels.
Sera Phina but didn’t oculus go sales exceeded all expectations? Why would they have a stockpile?
@@I-Know-Best Maybe what they're saying and what they initially thought are two different things? Why are they putting inferior panels in their new enthusiast headset? Their portable Quest has better panels, even though it's an android device.
funny because Go sold more than Rift, and literally everyone says that its display is better
@@maskofman7350 it's an 80hz LCD. sure, lower screen door effect. But the original rift has a diagonal screen door effect that to me gives it more of an antialiasing effect making the image look less pixelated. Which is why I prefer my oculus rift over my vive, because vive looks so pixelated in comparison. Also, people are saying the Rift S has a slightly lower FoV than the original Rift (even though oculus said 'slightly higher'). FoV is very important for immersion. This is not an upgrade.
Done supporting Oculus. Wouldn't care about the S being worse than the Oculus in everything BUT resolution, but the fact they're completely done selling the original Rift has me fed up. I got one used and enjoyed it for a bit but had to sell, figured I'd buy a new one but that's not an option now. Guess I'll wait for the knuck controllers and the vive 2.
Also Oculus is full of shit on the setup being an issue thing. It takes five seconds to plug in the sensors and toss them on a desk, not worth dropping it for inferior tracking at a higher price.
On paper I seems like a sidegrade to me and in general I'm not overly crazy with the direction Oculus seems to be going. I think I'm going to start saving for a Vive.
Same, considering the Vive Pro
Valve is also coming out with a headset, just be patient.
there is nothing official about Valve for now
@@3536mj WOAH! do NOT get the vive pro. If you need to save up, it's not worth your cash.
just stick a deluxe audio strap and a dumbbell to the original and you have a vive pro.
seriously though, make sure you're ready to fling $800 for a bigger, heavier HMD.
Travis Hearn well I have an Oculus so I'd have to buy everything. And it's gonna be quite a wait since I'm upgrading my pc
Like the change to your logo in the intro!
This seems like 2 steps forward, and 8 steps backward.
The choices made here are absolutely baffling. I'm sure it will be a decent headset, and the drop in refresh rate shouldn't be too noticeable, but the fact that we are getting a downgrade in that department at all is just unacceptable. It's been three years, if anything that should have improved. I was really expecting something like 120 hz.
And not having that unified USB type C connector is also confusing. If they went with Type C, it would be extremely easy and cheap to convert to USB and HDMI/DP/whatever the hell you want. They could even throw an adapter in the box. Having display port instead of HDMI on the connector is also frustrating if you have a PC with an HDMI port in the front. Manufacturers put those ports on PCs almost specifically for the Rift and now the new Rift won't work with it. I know the cable will be replaceable, but you just know it's going to be a proprietary connector like on the current Rift, so you are going to have to buy an expensive ass cable that you can only get from Facebook. Kind of a pain in the ass just for the convenience of not having to connect your new rift to the back of your PC.(although tbf you can just get an HDMI to DP adapter for like $5 on Amazon, but still it's more shit to buy).
Oh, and then the panel in the Rift S is going to be the same as the panel in the Go??? What the fuck is that about??? Why doesn't it have the same resolution as the Quest? They're both the same price and the Rift S doesn't have any processor in it or anything! If anything it should have a higher refresh rate version of the Quest panels.
Well, at least they made my decision of whether to get the Rift S or the Quest a whole lot easier. And the old Rift will probably be a lot cheaper now too. Look at the bright side.
have you ever seen the oculus go though? its display is seen as better than the Rift...
@@maskofman7350
Tbf I haven't tried the Go. I'm sure it's good, and true, it is higher resolution than the Rift. But still, it's not as good as the screen in the Quest. Considering that the Quest is the same price as the Rift S, there's no reason that the Quest should have a better screen. And there's no reason that the $400 Rift S should have the same screen as the Go which is half it's price.
While the downgrade in refresh rate from the Rift to the Rift S may be minimal, and might not even be very noticeable, there is absolutely no reason there should be any downgrade at all. Like, that's not how technology works! Things should be getting better, not worse! Even if it is only slightly.
they wont sell the cv1 anymore now
@@Picklebottom12345
That's why I'm hanging onto mine lol
I just bought a Rift 3 weeks ago. I didn’t know the were coming out with a newer model. Looks like I won’t be missing anything though. I do like my Rift a lot. Daughter played it and now she wants one.
I had a PSVR and I can tell you the halo head strap is garbage. Quest for me please :D
I also own PSVR which I really enjoy but l also prefer the Rift comfort []-)
I have PSVR and returned a just bought Rift because i thought it sat like crap. Funny how people can totally different experiences with these things
Virtual Reality Oasis I always preferred the psvr strap personally but it’s all preference I guess
I'm glad it's not a total upgrade from standard rift and rather just a redesigned one, as I bought my Rift just recently and worried the Rift S would make it feel obsolete, even though I knew it was just a mid-generation stop gap and not a next gen device.
My computer can’t even run Microsoft word 2010. So there is no chance it could run steam vr :(. Oculus quest it is lol (:
Quest is great []-)
So bummed they are removing the headphones. Love the quality and ease of use...
This is very disappointing I was holding out on buying a VR, waiting to see what the next gen RIFT would be but looks like i should have jest got the old one all along.
Yep lol. A true 2.0 in vr is awhile away yet
If you really feel like jumping in you better do it now or start robbing banks to get a Vive. I got the very last one in my entire metropolitan area, possibly the last in the state today; I had to call everywhere to find it and even then it was an hour's drive away. The Microsoft guy clearly wanted it for himself, he was giving me all kinds of strange excuses why the S and Quest or either of the Vives would be better choices.
Going for an LCD panel and lowering refresh rate is definitely a step back
I'm really disappointed that they didn't make any product that appeals to the current rift users. I'm legit bummed about headsets right now. The Original Rift is still the best fit for me out of the current options. VR isn't dead, but this week my passion towards VR has decreased. I have 400 bucks that I'm saving for a vacation now instead if a new VR headset or games. I'm not going to invest in very many new games either, as it feels bad to reward Oculus by buying their games. Maybe I'll get over this, but if valve doesn't come through, VR might lose it's luster compared to other hobbies I could invest in.
Rift v2 will likley be announced around 2020 2021
i agree man how many years have vr been out now and how many full games with 100hrs+ playtime to complete do we have>? really disappointed they seem to make all these headsets and forget to make anything worthwhile to do on them. i basically only use mine to play beat saber and watch netflix.. i love VR ... buti just wish they would focus more on games.. and leave the minimal upgrade headset until they are ready to release rift 2.
I had the DK1 and waited since. Thats the Headset i waited for. Inside Out Tracking, less Screendoor and Controllers for a reasonable price. I will buy it.
It looks like Oculus wants to optimise investment of the Quest by reusing compounds on the rift to keep pricing down on both devices including Go. Purpose to make VR more easy and affordable. Unfortunately it appears to shift with some downgrade of original rift capabilities. New age for Oculus away from original projet ?
So, will the Rift S work with *all* of the same games as the Rift?
That's what the video says, yes
if they dont make games which continue to support the original rift ... they are going to lose a lot of customers myself included.. all games they make should support all their headsets.. if not i am never buying another product from them ever again.
Yeah, that's what they said.
I think the reason why this headset isn’t as great as oculus’ other products is because it’s designed by Lenovo not oculus
If only the quest could connect to a PC for the high end experience and be disconnected from PC for VR on the go :(
I honestly was thinking the same thing when they announced quest
lol nah that will be their next headset ...
Palmer Lucky run away just in time. Some Oculus fan could beat him up over Oculus S(hit) release if he was still in charge.
Rudl Za Vedno yep just what I was thinking. I could only imagine Lucky put up a fight trying to get a good new vr HMD and told them they can take their job and shove it after seeing this corporate greed driven POS. I just deleted my FB account!
I own a Rift CV1 and I am definitely selling it and getting the Rift S. I think that the tracking method is so much better and will provide a much smoother experience. It also makes the rift a lot more portable, so if you ever have to change rooms in the house, you can easily do so. And another game changer is the pass through. I always have to take my headset off when I want to drink or see who's at my door - but now I no longer have to do that. Yes the screen may be a downgrade but reduced god rays and screen door effect as a trade off is, in my opinion, better. I do wish they kept the old audio system though because it would provide a more immersive play space but they have now put a 3.5mm jack on the headset. The band of the old rift - i'm going to be honest now, I didn't really enjoy/like because it made the headset feel very heavy on the front, which made the headset feel less comfortable for long periods of time. However the new halo band (as they are calling it) and the new (nose connection part?) block light from entering the headset, providing a more immersive play space. I have no idea why they changed the controllers but they are lighter than the OG touch controllers which may be good or bad for some people.
Overall, I think if you have the OG Rift CV1 and you have the money, take this side-step and grab the Rift S as the tracking is better and so much smoother (I don't know why people are saying the tracking is less accurate, the only thing that *slightly* draws it back is the fact that the controllers lose tracking when behind your back for 2 seconds or longer) and the new lenses and screen make the VR experience much more immersive, as god rays and SDE are *significantly* reduced if not removed.
If you think otherwise, please comment as I would love to hear your opinion.
I'm really disappointed with the new headset design I have the Lenovo Explorer and it gives me a headache after a while with too much forehead pressure, and now oculus are using the same design!
thealexguy1 although there is a top strap, but I have no idea how effective it actually is for longer sessions
@@ryc2236 that is true I didn't notice the top strap, however I'm still gonna get the quest anyway
what happens when oculus stops updating the rift mainly its tracking. I can see a time when windows updates and the cameras stop tracking and thats it no more 6dof.
Tony Cox they said that the rift will support the rift s updates.
Disappointing. Invest in the technology with true AAA titles and cutting edge hardware, Oculus. I'm a Rift owner looking for a real upgrade; this isn't it.
agree... we have yet to have a good fully fleshed out game in VR... just counltess early access never finished vr demos.. with 3 - 5 hours playtime .. we want 100hour playtime games ..
Well Its Named Rift *S* For A Reason Like The Xbox One And Xbox One S
While I was disappointed they weren't making an overall improvement, it's actually great that this headset will appeal to people who don't want to bother with roomscale setups - more potential customers to help the VR scene grow, which is good. Because from what I understand, the camrera tracking covers more area than the Windows Mixed Reality headsets.
If I can eliminate my extension cords and 4 sensors all over the place and having to recalibrate them each time my son moves them or the dog knocks them over it’s a win in my book. Not to mention the constant disconnects from overloading my USB ports. Free up my usb and the cables and I’m in!
I like the inside out tracking but the display, smaller touch controllers, lenovo and lack of the audio we're used to worry me on the S. Even though Oculus doesn't seem to want to talk about it, while you're at PAX, can you please press them about battery life on the Quest? Thanks Mike, great job putting all the info together.
Leave it to Facebook to figure out what the consumer "wants".
Literally just ordered a Rift today before seeing any of this news, felt bad at first and wish I would have waited but now not feeling so bad.
Good insightful video, but the actual rift S, leaves me cold :-( Which is a real shame as I've been very excited about what Ocu;us' answer to the Vive Pro would be, and the answer seemingly is a sidegrade from the mobile phone based branch of their technology tree. I say this as it strikes me that the oculus go was an evolution of the Samsung Gear VR, which in turn spawned the quest, and from the specs the Rift S looks like a modified quest.
I don't know how they can consider this new audio setup acceptable. I'll want to check it out for myself, but it can't possibly have any bass response whatsoever, can it? OTOH, suddenly the spare unused Rift I've been holding onto might now have more value.
HP reverb has better specs
Just subbed I’ve been watching your vids for a while now. If or when more people get VR you will blow up keep up the good work