At least have the majority of the participants on a discussion of Masculinity, be men. If this was a group of majority White people talking about 'Blackness', or a group of able-bodied people talking about being disabled, there would be an uproar.
I'm sorry, I couldn't get through this - which says a lot, because I watch probably 3-4 hours of discussion content on TH-cam almost every day. I have some major disagreements with Ms Gilmore's comments, and since her comments took up the majority of the first half of this video, I had to switch it off. "TikTok made 16 billion dollars last year - a lot of that comes from serving content like Andrew Tate's" Cmon. That's an utterly ridiculous statement. TikTok splits its content into TWENTY-THREE different categories - many of them things like makeup videos, tutorials, art, DIY tips. That's hardly "a lot" of Andrew Tate content. The historical reference to a situation in 1890 is ridiculous too - that was 130 years ago. Society is unrecognisable today, in comparison. I've never watched any of Andrew Tate's content - not even a single second. I only know about him from hearing other people talk about how bad he is. Here's why he became so influential. Men are lost right now. Andrew Tate himself, is probably terrified. Why? Because with women seemingly coming after every aspect of traditionally male roles, what is there left for men to do? What actual use do men HAVE right now, if women are being encouraged to go and replace all traditionally male roles as well? Go back to caves and lift rocks? We can't just decide to start having children to balance things out. That's an exclusive area for women only. Do men have any of those men-only roles? We used to. Now there's people actively calling for "women should have the right to do that too!" Should they? What's left for men to make themselves stand out now? A provider? A woman can do that now. Protector? Women "don't need no man". Someone to mow the lawn maybe? Nope. I just saw an ad for a lawn mower, with a woman pushing it. I literally can't think of anything that is off-limits for women now. And that's fine (even though I think there's some areas women should stay out of), but it removes all ability for men to define themselves, and to "compare" with each other. Men are competitive beasts. We need a measuring stick. Men are lost, because what makes a man "a man" has been taken away from us. This has a flow-on effect to boys. Things like the Me Too movement (and I'm not saying that was a bad thing, but it was wildfire and got WAY out of control) have taught boys to be terrified of making ANY moves on a girl that they're interested in, for fear of being called a sexual abuser. Now there's a pandemic of loneliness in the world and declining birth rates everywhere... because young men aren't approaching women anymore, and young women aren't BEING approached. So, I say Tate is probably terrified, because lots of men (and women too) like to feel 'in control'. At some stage many years ago, he would've looked around at the world and thought "how do I define myself as a man? How do I approach women safely?" Deep down (and he'd probably never admit this) he's probably still terrified. He needed to develop a system, as a kind of "safety blanket" to make himself feel self-assured. Like he still knew how to approach a woman. His answer was to go MegaChad. Probably not the best solution, but this is a small man just trying to comprehend the enormous changes in society and gender equality right now. I'm a man too. I'm doing the same thing right now. The majority of men probably are. I'm paraphrasing everywhere in this comment, there's literally too much to say about this in a single TH-cam comment. It IS systemic - but man-bashing (like much of the content of the first half hour of this video) is NOT THE ANSWER. Someone PLEASE point these ladies in the direction of Louise Perry - a real modern pioneer in gender norms.
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At least have the majority of the participants on a discussion of Masculinity, be men. If this was a group of majority White people talking about 'Blackness', or a group of able-bodied people talking about being disabled, there would be an uproar.
little bit hard to do when men don't want/care to part of the discussion!
I'm sorry, I couldn't get through this - which says a lot, because I watch probably 3-4 hours of discussion content on TH-cam almost every day.
I have some major disagreements with Ms Gilmore's comments, and since her comments took up the majority of the first half of this video, I had to switch it off.
"TikTok made 16 billion dollars last year - a lot of that comes from serving content like Andrew Tate's"
Cmon. That's an utterly ridiculous statement. TikTok splits its content into TWENTY-THREE different categories - many of them things like makeup videos, tutorials, art, DIY tips. That's hardly "a lot" of Andrew Tate content.
The historical reference to a situation in 1890 is ridiculous too - that was 130 years ago. Society is unrecognisable today, in comparison.
I've never watched any of Andrew Tate's content - not even a single second. I only know about him from hearing other people talk about how bad he is.
Here's why he became so influential.
Men are lost right now.
Andrew Tate himself, is probably terrified. Why? Because with women seemingly coming after every aspect of traditionally male roles, what is there left for men to do? What actual use do men HAVE right now, if women are being encouraged to go and replace all traditionally male roles as well?
Go back to caves and lift rocks?
We can't just decide to start having children to balance things out. That's an exclusive area for women only. Do men have any of those men-only roles? We used to. Now there's people actively calling for "women should have the right to do that too!"
Should they? What's left for men to make themselves stand out now? A provider? A woman can do that now. Protector? Women "don't need no man". Someone to mow the lawn maybe? Nope. I just saw an ad for a lawn mower, with a woman pushing it.
I literally can't think of anything that is off-limits for women now. And that's fine (even though I think there's some areas women should stay out of), but it removes all ability for men to define themselves, and to "compare" with each other. Men are competitive beasts. We need a measuring stick.
Men are lost, because what makes a man "a man" has been taken away from us. This has a flow-on effect to boys. Things like the Me Too movement (and I'm not saying that was a bad thing, but it was wildfire and got WAY out of control) have taught boys to be terrified of making ANY moves on a girl that they're interested in, for fear of being called a sexual abuser.
Now there's a pandemic of loneliness in the world and declining birth rates everywhere... because young men aren't approaching women anymore, and young women aren't BEING approached.
So, I say Tate is probably terrified, because lots of men (and women too) like to feel 'in control'. At some stage many years ago, he would've looked around at the world and thought "how do I define myself as a man? How do I approach women safely?"
Deep down (and he'd probably never admit this) he's probably still terrified. He needed to develop a system, as a kind of "safety blanket" to make himself feel self-assured. Like he still knew how to approach a woman. His answer was to go MegaChad. Probably not the best solution, but this is a small man just trying to comprehend the enormous changes in society and gender equality right now. I'm a man too. I'm doing the same thing right now. The majority of men probably are.
I'm paraphrasing everywhere in this comment, there's literally too much to say about this in a single TH-cam comment.
It IS systemic - but man-bashing (like much of the content of the first half hour of this video) is NOT THE ANSWER.
Someone PLEASE point these ladies in the direction of Louise Perry - a real modern pioneer in gender norms.
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