I would say that return to Zero would also be able to stop the bubbles. Because GER is a very similar Stand to Soft and Wet go Beyond, both breaking Calamity.
@something1600 Wouldn't work on something that doesn't exist and in turn can't reach zero because it has NO beginning or end. The bubbles legit give the middle finger to all logic, even origins due to their non-existent nature.
Go beyond isn't anything special. It's just a "bullet that you can't avoid" type of attack. It doesn't protect the user, it doesn't heal the user and it doesn't even one shot the opponent. It only worked on wou because wou is trash offensively and cannot heal his user. Gappy couldn't even aim go beyond properly
@suniksunil2623 your entire comment was false. First of all, soft and wet doesn't transcend logic in general, only the specific attack of go beyond does, because it's paradoxical, it exists but at the same time it doesn't. The only reason Toru lost is because Wonder of U is only a defensive stand. Wonder of U has zero offense, and zero healing abilities, like other stands do. Wou's power was that it cannot be touched, but now that it can, he looses pretty easily. Soft and wet go beyond is nothing more than an unavoidable bullet. Many characters can beat Gappy( Josuke 8), go beyond isn't that big of a threat as it was to Toru. And Gold experience requiem has causality manipulation, he actually breaks logic. He also has immeasurable speed (beyond infinite) and dominance over souls(as Polnaref stated). Apart from that, GER has also extreme healing abilities, so Giorno getting hit by go beyond would never be a problem. Giorno could kill Gappy before he shoots to beyond, he could erase the result of go beyond (aka the damage) and he could heal himself anyways. Then he would proceed to Kill Gappy easily. And no, Funny Valentine wouldn't loose to go beyond either. He can simply change body and bring an alternate version of Gappy and kill him. D4C love train lost to Tusk act 4 because this was his natural counter, just how go beyond is the natural counter to wou.
@suniksunil2623 and your hypothesis is nonsensical, and there's no thing such as meta illuminati. Illuminati was an organisation which supposedly kept secret knowledge and controlled the population, there's no connection with Illuminati and power scaling
@suniksunil2623 his bubbles have no relation to return to zero. The one is a spinning line with thickness infinitely close to zero, making a bubble that practically doesn't exist while the other is an ability that erases any result
Plunder is literally godlike and I hate how it was kinda dropped for the most part after the first third of the story… If it didn’t it would be my favorite protagonist stand, but for now it’s still Gold Experience because Minus Requiem it evolves naturally by Giorno learning how to use it fully
Unfortunately Araki has done this multiple times in different parts. He’s not very good a writing good logically consistent fights, and will often nerf the protagonist and buff the antagonist. He did it with giorno, fugo, and risoto in part 5, josuke & WR in part 6, and probably in other parts as well.
@@xix1957 I mean, of course it will enter Love Train without being redirected, because it does not exist and goes beyond logic, but the damage it will cause will in fact exist and that will be redirected. Essentially making GB doing nothing to the opponent.
@@jesusvaldez6951 I mean, Tusk act 4 was able to damage d4c love train when he bypassed the barrier. So if the bubbles transcend the barrier as well, it could damage funny valentine.
Just throwing this out there. Since the bubbles can take properties away from physical objects does that mean he could just take away the life from a human or anything living?
If you mean the soul, which we know exist in Jojo, then I think that’s actually possible. Gold Experience could force the soul back into the body temporarily so it’s not far fetched to say the bubbles can steal fragments of a human soul
There is a few things I want to mention. First of all GB cannot be channeled from Josuke's fingertips. Even Rai says that the bubbles he suppose to use are different from the one in his fingertips. Second, GB isn't as powerful as the golden rotation. Not only by the fact that the golden rotation guarantees almost a one-shot kill, it also has gravity hax that allows it to break dimensional barriers. Since GB do not control gravity, it will not hurt Valentine inside Love Train. For the rest, I think it is a really good video explaining Soft and Wet.
True, however, we haven’t seen the full scope of what Go Beyond can do. I’m still of the opinion that it can bypass and ignore abilities such as Love train regardless. Part 9 will probably give a more clear answer if Josuke is in it
@@BUR404 I know that we might not seen the full scope of what GB can do, but we have the information of how spin can go through Love Train. LT weakness is gravity, and the way you gain enough gravity to go through the barrier with spin is by riding a horse while using the golden rectangle at the same time. Leaving the horse aside, the golden rectangle is never even mentioned in part 8, and I really doubt S&W has the golden rectangle based spin included. As Tusk, a stand that only focuses on spin, had to learn ot first.
@@jesusvaldez6951 Love Train works by transferring Misfortune(Which is presumably Calamity) elsewhere(Like a permanent area-based Super Dimension Rokakaka Fruit), All Ball Breaker and Tusk Act 4 did was Brute Force their way through the barrier with Infinite Force via Rotation(Spin) which is why Ball Breaker failed as the Ball’s Rotation got disrupted. It’s D4C’s weakness that is Gravity as Gravity-based effects can follow D4C through dimensions. Presumably Love Train vs Go Beyond would go like: Valentine: Why isn’t LT stopping that ball?! Love Train: *Looks at empty spot* Love Train: I see nothing, you’re hallucinating. Valentine: *Explodes* - *D4C’s to different Valentine* Valentine: I hate Spin-based Stands
@@actuallyreallybored I don't think GB would damage Valentine at all xd. The way I see it is like this: Josuke shoot GB and the bubble enters with no problem inside Love Train (since it does not exist, there will be nothing to redirect). But then, once the bubble touches Valentine, all the damage it will cause to him will be redirected as a misfortune.
@@jesusvaldez6951 The Dimensional Wall of Light is responsible for the Misfortune Redirection. It’s why Valentine continuously maintained injuries from Gyro’s Ball(Not even BB yet) despite being in the Wall of Light. It’s one thing to be incapable of redirecting infinite force spinning every individual cell in your body but those were pretty much mundane wounds at that point. All injuries Valentine receives are as permanent and effective as normal. Love Train redirects incoming Misfortune but it doesn’t do anything against the effects of Misfortune that have already impacted so once an attack makes it past the Light Wall(Easier said than done), RIP Random Iteration of Valentine. Also when you think about it it’s technically Go Beyond + Paisley Park because Go Beyond literally could not be aimed otherwise.
I can accept that Soft and wet go beyond has the potential to beat all these abilities including GER, but that potential disappears when you remember that Josuke cannot accurately aim the bubbles unless he uses a third party. Without a third party Josuke cannot use Go beyond effectively.
@@mrfact03s It's not that he can control it He can only aim it to some extent And the bubble keeps moving in that direction Also, the fact that Tusk can be both aimed, counteracted bY opposite infinite spin AND is a sure 1 hit kill imo makes it superior Unfortunately, it also requires a horse without which it is not possible Josuke needs no horse
With GER the bubbles still had a point of activation so girono hypothetically return the action of the bubbles being launched to zero meaning they were never launched in the first place however this is just speculation and obviously there is no way of confirming or denying it
no because Wou and Ger have the same activation they're both passive but wou still got clapped as stated in the video. Gappy should have been affected by wou when he was lauching the bubbles but he wasn't.
the problem with what you are proposing is that in your example go beyond has a logical nature, which is still an attack and therefore GER can prevent it, but the truth is that GB is an illogical attack, therefore it should not follow that criteria.
Ger doesnt have to revert the bubbles to zero. He would revert josuke's casts of the bubbles. So josuke wouldnt be able to casts them in the first place. Let's not forget that diavolo never even moved from his position. Meaning he didnt get from the start.
I'd say ger could still win in a battle he would just haft to not get touched by the bubbles and with the fact his stats are off the charts and even beyond star platinums he should be able to dodge them easily and he can make gioruno fly so they can both move and dodge the bubbles but I would like to see there fight, but then again he could just revert Johnny and time and stuff to before he released the bubbles or maybe he can still revert nonexistent stuff like king crimson erasing time so that time don't exist and shizzle but still I would like to see the fight, gers my favorite stand and giorunos my favorite jojo so any fight with him in it is cool
Josuke can't shoot go beyond bubbles through his finger. That bubble he was pointing at WoU was just a supercharged regular bubble while the go beyond bubble came out from his birthmark.
Soft And Wet Go Beyond Is a string so thin that it is almost zero being spun infinitely. It's infinity divided by 0 which is undefined. It can bypass everything, even Gold Experience Requim since it can't nullify something undefined.
Part 8 was super good overall but I gotta say the whole Go Beyond attacks don’t exist while also existing thing was really not Araki’s best writing and you can tell he finally wrote himself into a corner with Wonder Of U and had no idea how to end the fight so he kinda just said “well… they kinda just win now”.
Not really Starting from part 4, main protagonist's stand and main villain's stand are pretty much opposites of each other, part 6 being an exception. Josuke (4) - is preservation, Kira (4) is destruction. Giorno is removal of effect (rtz), Diavolo is removal of cause. Johnny 4 is Infinite energy, Valentine is infinite dimensions. Tooru is manipulation of calamities, while Gappy is defying the calamities. Not to mention, that in the description of calamities, Araki already hinted that they are related to logic
Time was in the middle of being erased in Diavolo’s perspective, so it hadn’t fully been erased from the world yet. The bubbles don’t exist from the very moment they manifest
@@BUR404 @AnimeCapsule! Looking back at the part 5 fight you are right, Diavolo was in the skipping part and hadn't erased time yet, so you are correct, go beyond would probably beat Girono. The only real chance for Girono to win is if he could use GER to rapidly heal or stop him from deploying his stand and manifesting the bubbles and even that is a stretch .
G.E.R would still beat Soft and Wet with no difficulty even with the go beyond bubbles, mostly due to its massively high stats and the fact that it’s stand ability was improved significantly
@@BUR404 that never was stated... and diavolo also said,"how is he able to reverse the time I OBLITERATED." WHICH MEANS IT DEFINITELY WAS ALREADY ERASED.
I would rank stands like this: 1. Soft and Wet: Go Beyond 2. Wonder of U 3. Gold Experience Requiem 4. Tusk act 4 5. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap: Love train 6. Made in Heaven 7. Ball Breaker 8. Weather Report: Heavy Weather 9. Star Platinum/The World/Diego's The World 10. King Crimson Also Jojolands in 3 days!
“You can’t return something that doesn’t exist back to zero” Are you forgetting the fact that RTZ returned erased time back to 0 and that time didn’t exist anymore due to King crimson being stated by araki himself to have the ability to erase time 10 seconds out of existence. GER’s ability has worked on non existent things and GB’s bubble would simply get RTZ.
Good point, but although that time doesn’t exist anymore, Diavolo still had to live through those 10 seconds before the time was fully erased, meaning the time exist in his perspective for the 10 seconds the ability is active. G.E.R simply infiltrated the domain and undid the ability before time was erased from existence But IDK, this could just be a small brain statement by me lol
@@BUR404 good point as well, however if you watch that scene in the anime, you can see the moment where king crimson goes for the killing punch, you can see the time erasure effect which usually signifies when the time erasure gets activated and when it ends and GER’s rtz ability started to take effect right after the king crimson time erasure effect. This is the effect am talking about: th-cam.com/video/AtWxezLXUP0/w-d-xo.html
the problem with what you are proposing is that in your example go beyond has a logical nature, which is still an attack and therefore GER can prevent it, but the truth is that GB is an illogical attack, therefore it should not follow that criteria. (this is a comment copied from another post).
It's call *ILLOGICAL"* That's Soft&Wet Go Beyond Automatic Transcending within and Above as Fate and Calamities since Wonder of U is also Transcending Illogical too before Gappy does
@@BUR404 Ok, I get curious when I hear about a strong stand ability and wonder "Hey could this beat that one guy." Also, I was wondering as well since the Explosive spin was introduced after Eyes of Heaven.
Ima just leave this here for no reason. My favorite stands in rank order: 1. Soft & Wet 2. Cream 3. Wonder of U 4. Speed King 5. Civil War 6. Purple Haze 7. Born This Way 8. Tusk (Act 3 and 4) 9. Made in Heaven 10. Killer Queen's Sheer Heart Attack
GER cannot revert the bubbles to 0 but it can revert the damage caused to 0 so I think Gappy has a chance to win Giorno if he one shot him, but this battle would be in Giorno's favor.
@AnimeCapsule! I would like to debunk the fact that you said gold experience reqium cant revert the bubbles to zero because,"they dont exists." But we clearly see GER reverted time that didnt exists, back to zero. He also put diavolo in circumstances that didnt exists, meaning GER has manipulation over existence itself. Not to mention how he clearly overcomes the clear rule of another stand. Diavolo's ability clearly states he cannot be effect or anything while in erased time, but GER still interacted with him within the disposed time. Erased time is the same as time that does not exists. No matter wut, manipulation between existence and non existence is more powerful than any ability we've seen in the anime. If u pay attention to wut wus going on... you said,"you cant revert something that doesnt exists." That isnt a rule GER has been shown to be limited by... so this statement most likely came from ur own opinion. You said wonder of u said the same thing as GER but unlike wonder of u... giorno has shown infinite feats. Like diavolo being put into the infinite deathloop and giorno being able to revert erased time back to before it was erased. Not only this... Let's look at Silver Chariot reqium... Silver chariot reqium is the incomplete and berserk reqium, who had the ability to swap the souls of all living beings with the souls of beings from another dimension. This ability goes beyond the universe itself and could be measured up to multiversal. AND Silver chariot reqium is an incomplete, berserk reqium,GER is the complete and controlled reqium stand. Meaning it most definitely has manipulation over multiversal based concepts and beings. And not to mention... diavolo's stand makes the user invincible and not being able to be seen by ALL BEINGS IN EXISTENCE, which means GER must be beyond the concept of existence or does not follow the rules of stand, in conclusion..."no matter what abilities you wield, none who stand before me shall ever reach the truth."
The reason GER reverted the erased time was because his ability was activated by an existing attack (Diavolo's punch after the ET ended), not by the erased time itself. Because that punch was reverted, every action that happened at the same time was reverted too. GB doesn't exist, so it will avoid the activation of RTZ as it reverts actions against Giorno and GB isn't considered as such.
none all matters GER wouldn't able to Reverted against Go Beyond Bubble Which Ignore all Illogical itself goes through Beyond Spacetimes itself and Wouldn't be affected by GER Of the Go Beyond Bubble itself that's also higher dimensional than GER Within GER Scales must be Around Infinite 4D to Possibly or 5D in Such Lowball to Midball as that idk what does his Highball scales to Must be low complex multiversal since Gappy Is above as Low 1-C himself so this makes him 1-C GER do Transcending Fate in During fight of King crimson that's allows Fate to start happenings and Erasing through in time itself from prediction Future as in Fate But Unlike Gappy who have fought Stronger Fate version and Calamities more than king crimson
It's not "beyond fate." That's like saying "Cream is beyond fate" since really Cream's void is just a bigger version of Go Beyond. Fate in Jojo is absolute. It's going to happen no matter what. Even against Diavolo whose entire goal was to erase his past and essentially hold his fate by the reigns. He couldn't conquer it, and really no one can.
KC was going to conquer fate, but RTZ doesnt care about fate, when KC enters TE, he is basically immune to fate, he is, but anything that he was supposed to ineract with isnt, in a TE he is allowed to freely move, immune to fate, while everything else follows its path
WOU didn't say the same thing as GER. WOU said that everything is determined, everything follows the logic of the world, and calamity is an inherent part of the logic, which is very like fate. GER, on the other hand, said that even though what Diavolo saw was the truth that is going to happen, he still won't arrive at it. GER would beat WOU because it goes against logic just like go beyond.
The equivalent of fate in the SBR universe is the flow, not logic. Logic is still above fate, because changing fate is logically possible in the jojo universe.
GER and S&W both surpass logic and reality, but the think that makes GER above S&W (apart from statistics) is the return to zero, who work thanks to ur will. If u want to attack Giorno or GER, every move with the intention to do damage to these two (Giorno and GER) will be reset to zero.
Go beyond doesn't exist in the universe so it ignores the laws of the universe, hence why it isn't affected by calamity. It definitely ignores fate because fate wouldn't take into account something that doesn't exist
@syrexlee2021 space and time affects fate. Dio, Diavolo, Pucci, and Kira all affected fate through their time powers. And gravity is also tied to fate, bringing people together as an example
@@syrexlee2021 the whole theme of part 6 is that fate=gravity. That is why Pucci had some type of control over fate after obtaining MiH. Calamity has been described as being the strongest power in jojo by the author himself. Also part 8 itself makes it clear that calamity is above fate.
I still think GER can cancel Go Beyond, because GER ability isn’t just returning things, it’s erasing ‘results of any actions’, even death. Though the bubble itself travel beyond reality, but as long as the result of its impact happens in reality, GER can undo it.
Well this is sure to be controversial…
I would say that return to Zero would also be able to stop the bubbles. Because GER is a very similar Stand to Soft and Wet go Beyond, both breaking Calamity.
How could you reverse something that doesn't exist
@something1600 Wouldn't work on something that doesn't exist and in turn can't reach zero because it has NO beginning or end. The bubbles legit give the middle finger to all logic, even origins due to their non-existent nature.
@VaclavRytina Exactly
Literally soft and wet: go beyond's new bubbles is the definition of an unstoppable force.
If Josuke is in Jojolands, we’ll definitely see Go Beyond in all its glory
Go beyond isn't anything special. It's just a "bullet that you can't avoid" type of attack. It doesn't protect the user, it doesn't heal the user and it doesn't even one shot the opponent. It only worked on wou because wou is trash offensively and cannot heal his user. Gappy couldn't even aim go beyond properly
@@erenattacktitan4964dude what? Its a reality defying ball of infinity? Its kind of a big deal.
@suniksunil2623 your entire comment was false. First of all, soft and wet doesn't transcend logic in general, only the specific attack of go beyond does, because it's paradoxical, it exists but at the same time it doesn't. The only reason Toru lost is because Wonder of U is only a defensive stand. Wonder of U has zero offense, and zero healing abilities, like other stands do. Wou's power was that it cannot be touched, but now that it can, he looses pretty easily. Soft and wet go beyond is nothing more than an unavoidable bullet. Many characters can beat Gappy( Josuke 8), go beyond isn't that big of a threat as it was to Toru. And Gold experience requiem has causality manipulation, he actually breaks logic. He also has immeasurable speed (beyond infinite) and dominance over souls(as Polnaref stated). Apart from that, GER has also extreme healing abilities, so Giorno getting hit by go beyond would never be a problem. Giorno could kill Gappy before he shoots to beyond, he could erase the result of go beyond (aka the damage) and he could heal himself anyways. Then he would proceed to Kill Gappy easily. And no, Funny Valentine wouldn't loose to go beyond either. He can simply change body and bring an alternate version of Gappy and kill him. D4C love train lost to Tusk act 4 because this was his natural counter, just how go beyond is the natural counter to wou.
@suniksunil2623 and your hypothesis is nonsensical, and there's no thing such as meta illuminati. Illuminati was an organisation which supposedly kept secret knowledge and controlled the population, there's no connection with Illuminati and power scaling
@suniksunil2623 his bubbles have no relation to return to zero. The one is a spinning line with thickness infinitely close to zero, making a bubble that practically doesn't exist while the other is an ability that erases any result
This just makes me so hyped for Part 9
JOJOLANDS is gonna be a fuckin blast, I agree.
@@seekThelight01 Agreed I'm so hyped for it
I watched the entirety of jojo within a singular month, this the first next big part of jojo and im so hyped
Just wait till 2040!
@@Blueberry.11 Me and my grandchildren are gonna be so hype when part 9 comes out
Imagine josuke loses an internet argument and just attacks the dude with go beyond through the phone
"I dont like large fries"
*Gets erased by Go beyond
That's a REALLY good explaination of how Josuke's spin against other protagonist. Good job man.
Soft and wet can steal the properties of both rubber and gum you see
Luffy shaking in his slippers
@@BUR404 he meant hisoka lol
Hisoka shivering his timbers
That's a good one😂
Plunder is literally godlike and I hate how it was kinda dropped for the most part after the first third of the story… If it didn’t it would be my favorite protagonist stand, but for now it’s still Gold Experience because Minus Requiem it evolves naturally by Giorno learning how to use it fully
What do you mean? He never stopped using plunder
Last thing I remember him plundering is the temperature in Jobin's room.
It’s could soft nerfing because the ability was to powerful the creature had to make the protagonist stop using it as much or in certain ways
Unfortunately Araki has done this multiple times in different parts. He’s not very good a writing good logically consistent fights, and will often nerf the protagonist and buff the antagonist. He did it with giorno, fugo, and risoto in part 5, josuke & WR in part 6, and probably in other parts as well.
Imagine he shoots them like a machine gun lol
Maybe it can defeat Goku
@@BUR404 simply steal the skin tone, which would make it black
@@FriedMonkey362 i dont want to see zoro fighting goku😭
Most straightforward JoJo youtuber!
His bubble is just a minuature tusk act 4, the abilities are both spin based and bypass dimensional barriers easily
I don't think GB could bypass dimensional barriers, as it doesn't have the infinite rotation gravity hax.
@@jesusvaldez6951 It can like it doesn't follow logic at all
@@xix1957 I mean, of course it will enter Love Train without being redirected, because it does not exist and goes beyond logic, but the damage it will cause will in fact exist and that will be redirected. Essentially making GB doing nothing to the opponent.
Im pretty sure tusk act 4 cant surpass calamity, fate, and logic itself.
@@jesusvaldez6951 I mean, Tusk act 4 was able to damage d4c love train when he bypassed the barrier. So if the bubbles transcend the barrier as well, it could damage funny valentine.
WOU : Nothing can defeat me!
S&W Go Beyond : Exactly.
Non-existing bubbles go brrr
WOU : Oh sh*t
😂😂😂Oh God , the internet
Just throwing this out there. Since the bubbles can take properties away from physical objects does that mean he could just take away the life from a human or anything living?
If you mean the soul, which we know exist in Jojo, then I think that’s actually possible. Gold Experience could force the soul back into the body temporarily so it’s not far fetched to say the bubbles can steal fragments of a human soul
@@BUR404 the soul is a metaphysical property so I don't think that would be possible
@@mrfact03s bruno
There is a few things I want to mention. First of all GB cannot be channeled from Josuke's fingertips. Even Rai says that the bubbles he suppose to use are different from the one in his fingertips. Second, GB isn't as powerful as the golden rotation. Not only by the fact that the golden rotation guarantees almost a one-shot kill, it also has gravity hax that allows it to break dimensional barriers. Since GB do not control gravity, it will not hurt Valentine inside Love Train.
For the rest, I think it is a really good video explaining Soft and Wet.
True, however, we haven’t seen the full scope of what Go Beyond can do. I’m still of the opinion that it can bypass and ignore abilities such as Love train regardless. Part 9 will probably give a more clear answer if Josuke is in it
@@BUR404 I know that we might not seen the full scope of what GB can do, but we have the information of how spin can go through Love Train. LT weakness is gravity, and the way you gain enough gravity to go through the barrier with spin is by riding a horse while using the golden rectangle at the same time. Leaving the horse aside, the golden rectangle is never even mentioned in part 8, and I really doubt S&W has the golden rectangle based spin included. As Tusk, a stand that only focuses on spin, had to learn ot first.
@@jesusvaldez6951 Love Train works by transferring Misfortune(Which is presumably Calamity) elsewhere(Like a permanent area-based Super Dimension Rokakaka Fruit), All Ball Breaker and Tusk Act 4 did was Brute Force their way through the barrier with Infinite Force via Rotation(Spin) which is why Ball Breaker failed as the Ball’s Rotation got disrupted. It’s D4C’s weakness that is Gravity as Gravity-based effects can follow D4C through dimensions.
Presumably Love Train vs Go Beyond would go like:
Valentine: Why isn’t LT stopping that ball?!
Love Train: *Looks at empty spot*
Love Train: I see nothing, you’re hallucinating.
Valentine: *Explodes* - *D4C’s to different Valentine*
Valentine: I hate Spin-based Stands
@@actuallyreallybored I don't think GB would damage Valentine at all xd. The way I see it is like this: Josuke shoot GB and the bubble enters with no problem inside Love Train (since it does not exist, there will be nothing to redirect). But then, once the bubble touches Valentine, all the damage it will cause to him will be redirected as a misfortune.
@@jesusvaldez6951 The Dimensional Wall of Light is responsible for the Misfortune Redirection. It’s why Valentine continuously maintained injuries from Gyro’s Ball(Not even BB yet) despite being in the Wall of Light. It’s one thing to be incapable of redirecting infinite force spinning every individual cell in your body but those were pretty much mundane wounds at that point. All injuries Valentine receives are as permanent and effective as normal.
Love Train redirects incoming Misfortune but it doesn’t do anything against the effects of Misfortune that have already impacted so once an attack makes it past the Light Wall(Easier said than done), RIP Random Iteration of Valentine.
Also when you think about it it’s technically Go Beyond + Paisley Park because Go Beyond literally could not be aimed otherwise.
one of my favorite stands by far
I can accept that Soft and wet go beyond has the potential to beat all these abilities including GER, but that potential disappears when you remember that Josuke cannot accurately aim the bubbles unless he uses a third party. Without a third party Josuke cannot use Go beyond effectively.
at the end of jojolion (chap 108) he can aim them a little
@@Ibukwen True, so maybe he can hit stationary and close targets, but still I do not think he can use Go Beyond in an active fight without assistance.
Not to mention that it's not a 1 hit kill necessarily
@@mrfact03s It's not that he can control it
He can only aim it to some extent
And the bubble keeps moving in that direction
Also, the fact that Tusk can be both aimed, counteracted bY opposite infinite spin AND is a sure 1 hit kill imo makes it superior
Unfortunately, it also requires a horse without which it is not possible
Josuke needs no horse
@Organic Elephant Maybe, but for what we know he cannot aim it.
"jotaro can stop time and punch things really hard"
"jotaro can punch things really hard" is the correct way
With GER the bubbles still had a point of activation so girono hypothetically return the action of the bubbles being launched to zero meaning they were never launched in the first place however this is just speculation and obviously there is no way of confirming or denying it
Nah, the bubbles technically no longer exist once active which means it can’t be reverted. You can’t revert zero to zero
no because Wou and Ger have the same activation they're both passive but wou still got clapped as stated in the video. Gappy should have been affected by wou when he was lauching the bubbles but he wasn't.
the problem with what you are proposing is that in your example go beyond has a logical nature, which is still an attack and therefore GER can prevent it, but the truth is that GB is an illogical attack, therefore it should not follow that criteria.
@@Ibukwen yea Go Beyond is just straight up above the concepts of logic and calamity
Ger doesnt have to revert the bubbles to zero. He would revert josuke's casts of the bubbles. So josuke wouldnt be able to casts them in the first place. Let's not forget that diavolo never even moved from his position. Meaning he didnt get from the start.
I'd say ger could still win in a battle he would just haft to not get touched by the bubbles and with the fact his stats are off the charts and even beyond star platinums he should be able to dodge them easily and he can make gioruno fly so they can both move and dodge the bubbles but I would like to see there fight, but then again he could just revert Johnny and time and stuff to before he released the bubbles or maybe he can still revert nonexistent stuff like king crimson erasing time so that time don't exist and shizzle but still I would like to see the fight, gers my favorite stand and giorunos my favorite jojo so any fight with him in it is cool
True, Soft and Wet would still get bodied by G.E.R’s increased stats
@@BUR404
“It seems this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the force. But by our skill with a lightsaber”
This quote fits really well here
how will he dodge them if he can't even see them.. also star platinum is stronger than ger physically
Yeah it would be interesting. Its bad and good in the sme time that Araki just doesnt say anything
Josuke can't shoot go beyond bubbles through his finger. That bubble he was pointing at WoU was just a supercharged regular bubble while the go beyond bubble came out from his birthmark.
People don't get that Go Beyond's depiction literally ignore all logic from any fiction, like literally ignore any fiction that ever exists
Soft And Wet Go Beyond Is a string so thin that it is almost zero being spun infinitely. It's infinity divided by 0 which is undefined. It can bypass everything, even Gold Experience Requim since it can't nullify something undefined.
In the manga, it was explained that josuke could only hit wou through the phone, because paisly park lead it through. So that might be wrong
Part 8 was super good overall but I gotta say the whole Go Beyond attacks don’t exist while also existing thing was really not Araki’s best writing and you can tell he finally wrote himself into a corner with Wonder Of U and had no idea how to end the fight so he kinda just said “well… they kinda just win now”.
Not really
Starting from part 4, main protagonist's stand and main villain's stand are pretty much opposites of each other, part 6 being an exception. Josuke (4) - is preservation, Kira (4) is destruction. Giorno is removal of effect (rtz), Diavolo is removal of cause. Johnny 4 is Infinite energy, Valentine is infinite dimensions. Tooru is manipulation of calamities, while Gappy is defying the calamities. Not to mention, that in the description of calamities, Araki already hinted that they are related to logic
0:28 he chillin
Plot armor bubbles which will go through anything.
No logic needed.
the most eye candy jojo stand design iimo
Tbh at first I honestly made the comparison of go beyond being ger's rock flick with extra steps
Bro was so powerful he fucking *Broke reality*
The stand that was made when araki was high asf.
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You forgot to mention that he has trouble aiming with the zero bubbles
can't blame him bruh
it's quite hard to aim when you are shooting literally nothing
I don't know if the bubble are able to go through ger because GER was also able to erased time, which shouldn't exist anymore.
Time was in the middle of being erased in Diavolo’s perspective, so it hadn’t fully been erased from the world yet. The bubbles don’t exist from the very moment they manifest
@@BUR404 @AnimeCapsule! Looking back at the part 5 fight you are right, Diavolo was in the skipping part and hadn't erased time yet, so you are correct, go beyond would probably beat Girono. The only real chance for Girono to win is if he could use GER to rapidly heal or stop him from deploying his stand and manifesting the bubbles and even that is a stretch .
G.E.R would still beat Soft and Wet with no difficulty even with the go beyond bubbles, mostly due to its massively high stats and the fact that it’s stand ability was improved significantly
@@BUR404 how exactly? getting hit by one bubble is enough for giorno to lose, tooru only survived them because he is a rock human
@@BUR404 that never was stated... and diavolo also said,"how is he able to reverse the time I OBLITERATED." WHICH MEANS IT DEFINITELY WAS ALREADY ERASED.
King crimson: I dont exist
I would rank stands like this:
1. Soft and Wet: Go Beyond
2. Wonder of U
3. Gold Experience Requiem
4. Tusk act 4
5. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap: Love train
6. Made in Heaven
7. Ball Breaker
8. Weather Report: Heavy Weather
9. Star Platinum/The World/Diego's The World
10. King Crimson
Also Jojolands in 3 days!
“You can’t return something that doesn’t exist back to zero”
Are you forgetting the fact that RTZ returned erased time back to 0 and that time didn’t exist anymore due to King crimson being stated by araki himself to have the ability to erase time 10 seconds out of existence. GER’s ability has worked on non existent things and GB’s bubble would simply get RTZ.
Good point, but although that time doesn’t exist anymore, Diavolo still had to live through those 10 seconds before the time was fully erased, meaning the time exist in his perspective for the 10 seconds the ability is active. G.E.R simply infiltrated the domain and undid the ability before time was erased from existence
But IDK, this could just be a small brain statement by me lol
What is RTZ
@@FriedMonkey362 return to zero
@@BUR404 good point as well, however if you watch that scene in the anime, you can see the moment where king crimson goes for the killing punch, you can see the time erasure effect which usually signifies when the time erasure gets activated and when it ends and GER’s rtz ability started to take effect right after the king crimson time erasure effect.
This is the effect am talking about: th-cam.com/video/AtWxezLXUP0/w-d-xo.html
the problem with what you are proposing is that in your example go beyond has a logical nature, which is still an attack and therefore GER can prevent it, but the truth is that GB is an illogical attack, therefore it should not follow that criteria.
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Do you have a top 10 of the strongest stand list? I really want to hear your opinion since you actually know your things.
I made a TH-cam short about the top 5 strongest but I didn’t have much time to explain in detail, maybe I’ll make a full video on the topic
nice
soft and wet is my all time fav stand
Hey nice video, what's the song used near the end ?
Now im waiting for some stand to use the power from 0D
It's call *ILLOGICAL"* That's Soft&Wet Go Beyond Automatic Transcending within and Above as Fate and Calamities since Wonder of U is also Transcending Illogical too before Gappy does
Johnny trains and almost dies to get spin and losses his mentor
Yaos just exist I have spin and a new version of it
Who? Will win? A stand that can control Fate And Calamity vs A stand with bubbles
If it could beat ger then I wonder what it could do against other powerful defensive characters like joker and touma
cant you just speed blitz soft and wet?
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So that means that Goku wouldn't be able to use ui to doge go beyond sense it does not exist
Legit had an argument with a guy who said s&wgb didn't bypass fate itselfm
Once I had an argument with a guy who said GB isn't illogical because it can't make -1 apples 💀💀
@@jesusvaldez6951 wait what? 💀
@@jesusvaldez6951 Bro tf 💀
Explosive spin vs The World Over Heaven?
I think TWOH can still use it’s reality overwrite on the bubbles so they’d probably still win
@@BUR404 Ok, I get curious when I hear about a strong stand ability and wonder "Hey could this beat that one guy." Also, I was wondering as well since the Explosive spin was introduced after Eyes of Heaven.
Ima just leave this here for no reason.
My favorite stands in rank order:
1. Soft & Wet
2. Cream
3. Wonder of U
4. Speed King
5. Civil War
6. Purple Haze
7. Born This Way
8. Tusk (Act 3 and 4)
9. Made in Heaven
10. Killer Queen's Sheer Heart Attack
The urge to watch this even though i'm only on steel ball run... it'l too much...
GER cannot revert the bubbles to 0 but it can revert the damage caused to 0 so I think Gappy has a chance to win Giorno if he one shot him, but this battle would be in Giorno's favor.
@AnimeCapsule! I would like to debunk the fact that you said gold experience reqium cant revert the bubbles to zero because,"they dont exists." But we clearly see GER reverted time that didnt exists, back to zero. He also put diavolo in circumstances that didnt exists, meaning GER has manipulation over existence itself. Not to mention how he clearly overcomes the clear rule of another stand. Diavolo's ability clearly states he cannot be effect or anything while in erased time, but GER still interacted with him within the disposed time. Erased time is the same as time that does not exists. No matter wut, manipulation between existence and non existence is more powerful than any ability we've seen in the anime. If u pay attention to wut wus going on... you said,"you cant revert something that doesnt exists." That isnt a rule GER has been shown to be limited by... so this statement most likely came from ur own opinion. You said wonder of u said the same thing as GER but unlike wonder of u... giorno has shown infinite feats. Like diavolo being put into the infinite deathloop and giorno being able to revert erased time back to before it was erased. Not only this... Let's look at Silver Chariot reqium... Silver chariot reqium is the incomplete and berserk reqium, who had the ability to swap the souls of all living beings with the souls of beings from another dimension. This ability goes beyond the universe itself and could be measured up to multiversal. AND Silver chariot reqium is an incomplete, berserk reqium,GER is the complete and controlled reqium stand. Meaning it most definitely has manipulation over multiversal based concepts and beings. And not to mention... diavolo's stand makes the user invincible and not being able to be seen by ALL BEINGS IN EXISTENCE, which means GER must be beyond the concept of existence or does not follow the rules of stand, in conclusion..."no matter what abilities you wield, none who stand before me shall ever reach the truth."
The reason GER reverted the erased time was because his ability was activated by an existing attack (Diavolo's punch after the ET ended), not by the erased time itself. Because that punch was reverted, every action that happened at the same time was reverted too. GB doesn't exist, so it will avoid the activation of RTZ as it reverts actions against Giorno and GB isn't considered as such.
none all matters
GER wouldn't able to Reverted against Go Beyond Bubble Which Ignore all Illogical itself goes through Beyond Spacetimes itself and Wouldn't be affected by GER Of the Go Beyond Bubble itself that's also higher dimensional than GER Within GER Scales must be Around Infinite 4D to Possibly or 5D in Such Lowball to Midball as that idk what does his Highball scales to Must be low complex multiversal since Gappy Is above as Low 1-C himself so this makes him 1-C
GER do Transcending Fate in During fight of King crimson that's allows Fate to start happenings and Erasing through in time itself from prediction Future as in Fate
But Unlike Gappy who have fought Stronger Fate version and Calamities more than king crimson
GER is also a stand who surpass FATE
True Order
REQUIEM>Soft and Wet Go beyond>WOU>Tusk 4>D4C Love Train>MIH>Star Platinum The World
It's not "beyond fate." That's like saying "Cream is beyond fate" since really Cream's void is just a bigger version of Go Beyond.
Fate in Jojo is absolute. It's going to happen no matter what. Even against Diavolo whose entire goal was to erase his past and essentially hold his fate by the reigns. He couldn't conquer it, and really no one can.
KC was going to conquer fate, but RTZ doesnt care about fate, when KC enters TE, he is basically immune to fate, he is, but anything that he was supposed to ineract with isnt, in a TE he is allowed to freely move, immune to fate, while everything else follows its path
Gold Experience Requiem victim.
oh dear god this is broken
Ger also surpassed fate. Plus, ger has causality manipulation
could he solo goku tho
WOU didn't say the same thing as GER. WOU said that everything is determined, everything follows the logic of the world, and calamity is an inherent part of the logic, which is very like fate. GER, on the other hand, said that even though what Diavolo saw was the truth that is going to happen, he still won't arrive at it. GER would beat WOU because it goes against logic just like go beyond.
The equivalent of fate in the SBR universe is the flow, not logic. Logic is still above fate, because changing fate is logically possible in the jojo universe.
This beats Sakura by a long shot
GER can still win just by touching gappy
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holy soft and wet is OP! but in yba its trash
GER and S&W both surpass logic and reality, but the think that makes GER above S&W (apart from statistics) is the return to zero, who work thanks to ur will. If u want to attack Giorno or GER, every move with the intention to do damage to these two (Giorno and GER) will be reset to zero.
Literally zero proofs that Gb surpassed fate. That’s a straight up lie.
Go beyond doesn't exist in the universe so it ignores the laws of the universe, hence why it isn't affected by calamity. It definitely ignores fate because fate wouldn't take into account something that doesn't exist
Well, calamity is above fate and GB can surpass logic which is calamity.
@ calamity enable to create result without the cause.
Fate can.
Calamity can’t operate without time/gravity.
Fate can.
@syrexlee2021 space and time affects fate. Dio, Diavolo, Pucci, and Kira all affected fate through their time powers. And gravity is also tied to fate, bringing people together as an example
@@syrexlee2021 the whole theme of part 6 is that fate=gravity. That is why Pucci had some type of control over fate after obtaining MiH. Calamity has been described as being the strongest power in jojo by the author himself. Also part 8 itself makes it clear that calamity is above fate.
I still think GER can cancel Go Beyond, because GER ability isn’t just returning things, it’s erasing ‘results of any actions’, even death. Though the bubble itself travel beyond reality, but as long as the result of its impact happens in reality, GER can undo it.
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Can mahoraga adapt to the go beyond bubbles? Can touma stop the go beyond bubbles with his right hand?
Mahoraga can adapt to any and all phenomena so yes
@@Mavuika_Gyaruif he survives
Soft and a weto go betyonda
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