One Of The Most Perplexing Disappearances Out There - Carl Landers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มี.ค. 2024
- This video covers the disappearance of Carl Landers on Mount Shasta in California.
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A lot of people have suggested an avalanche theory. This was pretty much ruled out because of all the people on Shasta that day. People were going up and down all day long. There was a large encampment of people at Lake Helen. Nobody saw an avalanche. If one occurred, it would have been noticed. If Carl somehow made it past the gulch, then anything is possible. Though, I'd be more inclined to say he slipped and fell somewhere.
I'd be curious as to what is going through DP's(David Paulides) head, as he watches this channel. You know he does lolz
I think the most plausible theory(which I'm sure you've already read in the comments) is that Carl had another bout of diarrhea coming on and for some privacy stepped far off trail to relieve himself. At which point he likely fell out of sight and succumbed to a fall. There's still the question of the body but maybe it's under debris and got obscured.
Many people on the Mtn that day, so someone wearing the same colors as him and moving slow (as you did yourself), they could have easily fixated on that person thinking it was him, and didnt even see Carl standing off someplace else.
This whole theory is predicated on this "person" wearing the same colors as Carl, was indeed him. - maybe it wasn't.
@@clinteastwood6875 I think that's why he got the 'headstart' on the hike in the first place. As for the body not being found, what gear he did have on hand, wasn't found either, so his demise restricted him from using it. From what I know, your BP(blood pressure) becomes a huge concern for the elderly that are dehydrated from diarrhea. It drops very low.
Thanks for the update. I was thinking maybe he somehow got caught in a rockslide. If he's buried under rocks that could explain why he hasn't been found. When you say "avalanche" would that also include a rockslide? But given the fact that there were other hikers around I supposed someone would have seen or heard such an event.
My Grandfather died on mount Shasta. He fell while climbing the ice on the north side. The only reason they ever found him was because the snow parted and revealed him and two hikers just happened to see him. It’s an incredibly difficult hike and the snow can easily hide a body. Going a bit off the trail to go to the bathroom or just having a slip and land in snow could easily be your demise and no one will find you.
Sorry about your grandpa, but I’m glad they were able to find him ❤
the guy went missing in a open snowfield sooo
Sorry for your family!
So hard to lose a loved one. Very sorry for your loss
I don't think people realize that there was a lot more snow on the mountain at the time Carl disappeared. Watch some of the vids where people ascend Mount Shasta. There is one where they snowboard down to beat the sunset. It is possible, Carl went on an involuntarily snow ride, which might explain there was no real trace of him on the trail. IMO, his remains are on the mountain. I do not find this incident that baffling or unexplainable either. Accidents happen. Edit: Zealous Beast took a look at this case about a week ago.
Three senior citizens hiking up a mountain. 50 mph winds. One has the runs so bad he can barely walk. Probably not the best time to split up
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Ridiculous right… I’ve never planned a hike with a group of friends, show up and proceed to say.. see you guys later… 0 logic, we showed up together, we’re sticking together
👍 as soon as you split up your asking for trouble. Just plain stupid.
They didn’t exactly split up, everyone was going the same direction, Carl just took a head start. But still yea, buddy system
Sounds like a horror movie plot😂
"You gotta know when to turn back"
The most important quote in the video.
I think that every morning when I consider going outside.
The fact that you went ahead and climbed Mount Shasta really shows you dedication to your channel. This was incredible to watch. What a beautiful place.
Ngl Im about 13 minutes in and I'm thinking to myself "How is THIS going to turn out to be almost paranormal? Literally everything that could go wrong IS going wrong"
😂 totally. I guess one of the weirdest things is the small space he disappeared and how visible it was?
Yeah, me too. It seriously sounded like a disaster waiting to happen. Diarrhea a place like that would be awful. I'm not sure how seasoned hikers deal with it, but things like that can act up quick and urgently. I'd likely, hurriedly, go looking for some hard to find place if that happened.
Anything that can go wrong is subject to probability and with enough iterations Will Absolutely Go Wrong. It's a property of physical nature.
@@infasis He must have been very seriously dehydrated by the time he disappeared.
@@humanbeing2420 Yeah, choosing to continue to climb a mountain in that condition, when you could easily turn back is crazy...
It's not like a cozy bed and Pedialyte was waiting for him or something either. Just higher elevation, so probably just worse symptoms.
"A bottle of wine, whiskey, and fried chicken...everything the body needs..." 🤣
Great episode as usual! 👍
You gotta grab some green bro. 😂😂
My daily fried chicken and whiskey clearly needs a wine upgrade
PopTarts will get you up that mountain! LoL
That sounds like a last ride...
That is exactly what I thought too.
A lot of channels just retell the story for a scare but my guy here does an investigation and even go to the location. Just next level!
I really appreciate his clearing-up of the paranormal cases.
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All the words that equate to "dude" in canada and eastern states are a preamble to a fist fight in the West.
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Exactly -- THIS content here and those like it are the future of entertainment.
For real. Tv sucks now
@@johnw8578or it's literally current entertainment. Potato, potahto.
@@nuckinfuts7610Yeah, that’s the way I see it. I’m 30. But, my younger cousins and stuff barely ever watch TV if EVER. It’s all streaming services or TH-cam and similar content. I understand why. I turned the TV on yesterday and there isn’t much of anything plus watching commercials? Yeah, hard pass on that.
Same here and 10000000% AGREE. I can’t imagine going back to times when TV was the only thing you could watch and of course that meant you didn’t get to watch what you wanted, you just got to watch what was on, which usually sucked lol. What a great distance technology has advanced in such a short time!
really appreciate your skepticism , high standards and resistance for sensationalism.
*this*
His investigations are top notch!
SPOT ON ! The web is full of nonsense , please don't go that way.
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Mt Shastas history is literally polluted with strange and paranormal occurrences, yet skeptics will always ignore that
Physically fit at sixty-nine years old. Taking altitude meds, suffering from diarrea, not drinking enough water or eating enough food, unable to carry his pack, and unwilling to turn back and try another time. What could possibly go wrong?
Great investigation, as always. 😊
On another note, Weed is a funny town.
My thoughts exactly, as a trail guide once said, "put your hiking boots on and take your hubris OFF, or the trail will surely bring you trouble."
@@nrgltwrkr2225 At 14:50 my thought was "There is no way these guys should go up". Carl sounds like he's about to die, just from his behavior. There's even a quote about how he thinks the is the last chance he'll ever have to do this hike? What?!?!!? Why?
Right, all of that contributed to him being unable to keep up with his companions. And to make matters worse, he seems to be the stoic type who doesn't like to feel like he's inconveniencing others. So, he'll downplay the difficulties he's having and say he's fine even if he's the extreme opposite. I'm only 15 minutes in and can tell this won't meet TME's standard for considering paranormal possibilities, but I feel enthralled by the content, nonetheless. *Edit: Interesting conclusion that subverted my initial expectations.*
@@marhawkman303 That could just be his age. 69 year old knees don't work as well as 60 year old knees. Mount Shasta may be a beginner's hike but it is long and arduous.
@@Nilboggen He might have been thinking of that.... But the way he was acting... wasn't directly related to his knees. TME was talking about symptoms like altitude sickness... and... I'm not sure that was the only reason. But that wouldn't be part of how he disappeared, it'd be just why he was in a hurry, despite being in bad health.
In my humble opinion you deserve an award for your coverage of this story. No one has done it better!
Agreed. This gentleman has put a story together with rational thought research and presentation. Now... I'm sure I left my keys on the bench...please help...
"How is it my fault that when you look at all the facts of a case, it doesn't look paranormal anymore?" just found your channel on my recommended and right off the bat you gained a new viewer haha
I've been subbed a few months, great channel
I completely agree!
I did SAR some years back and many missing elderly cases. Old folks not fully in possession of their faculties can cover astounding distances is poor terrain. My own granny walked out of her house on a farm at 4 a.m. one winter night ... barefoot in her nighties. We lived nearby and were up early, saw her door open, went to see what was going on. Turned out she wandered behind the house, fell down a little hill and got covered in leaves, completely invisible. After a frantic search our dog found her -- cold, a little scratched, but okay. If I didn't have the dog, she might as well have been picked up by aliens -- by spring there would have been nothing left. She said she was going out for coffee but couldn't find the cafe!
Before my grandma was in the nursing home with Alzheimer's my grandpa had to put these round plastic things over the doorknobs so that she wouldn't wander outside. She would just go out and start walking... where ever her failing mind fancied. I don't even think she knew why or where she was going, she would just start walking.
Glad you found her
@reyo6353 Before my mother went into a nursing home she had Alzheimer's. My dad had to watch over her constantly to make sure she didn't wander off. One day, he got distracted and she wandered out of the house into the neighborhood. She wandered down the street and walked into a neighbor's house and sat on their couch. The neighbor, although not a friend of my father's, knew who my mother was and where she lived. He brought her back to the house and my dad was quite surprised to say the least. He was not aware that she had gone missing. After that he made sure that the doors were locked at all times.
With all due respect. For some reason this reminds me of as little kid hearing about old elephants walking off to the "elephant graveyard"😢
Maybe it's nature's way.
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Absolutely agree, I rather wait weeks/months for another great video like this one, with research, and him actually going out there, then the average "stock footage + I read the wiki summary you" type videos. He is amazing, and quality is well worth the wait.
Plenty of other good channels to watch waiting for a new TME video! The Lore Lodge and Windegoon are good to watch especially when the cover the same story to hear their theories on what might have happened.
You are appreciated.
Mostly what I said on Patreon post, not the Christmas reference though.
When he goes quiet you know he's either cooking up something good or has fallen off a cliff, so it's really feast or famine with this one.
Dude got off trail and fell into a crevasse in the rocks and was buried. It happens all the time to mountaineers who "vanished" but are found sometimes decades later buried under boulders and slides. As one who has summited Shasta, this is exactly what I believe. What a skechy scree route.
If he made it to red banks he easily could’ve fallen into the konwakiton glacier, or even if he made it to misery hill he could have fallen into the Whitney. They would have most likely found his body in the gulch
I agree. I've hiked on scree before, and when you start to slide, some of that scree slides with you. If he fell down and slid into a low spot, it wouldn't have taken much to cover him. He may well be buried just a few inches below the surface. In that large of an area, you would never see him unless you happened to dislodge some of the rocks that were covering him.
I totally agree 💯 after hearing this
That makes sense. @@jamesbowman6925
He said though in the video that there weren’t really any crevices or crevasses. Even if he had you might still have been able to see carls bright clothes. No one has seen them
I think you effectively modelled what happened to him here, altitude, sickness and a need to achieve. I'm glad you came back. RIP, Carl.
We recently moved to Mt Shasta. There is something a little eerie about the woods here, and that’s coming from someone who moved from the PNW. I can see why the mountain and surrounding woods give life to strange legends! The sky can be so blue, the mountain so white, the trees so green. It’s like living in a painting on a sunny day.
Also… was anyone else nervous seeing this guy being sick-ish and alone in the exact spot someone went missing forever 😬
I'm from Red Bluff.
Mt. Shasta has been on my bucket list of interesting places to one day hopefully visit.
@@riflemann14same here, I get good deals on plane tickets. Just really hard to go anywhere with the prices of EVERYTHING ELSE THROUGH THE ROOF!🤣
Cameraman never dies!
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Not if you are watching his footage of the event.
This is the first time I've ever heard this case recounted where the fact he was having health issues is ever mentioned. Which I think is rather telling about some of the more general paranormal accounts.
Exactly
I guess it gets harder to slant it as a paranormal event if one includes TOO many relevant facts 😒
I like David Paulides likely always will he's done some good work absolutely, however and in large part thanks to channels such as this, there are 2 explanations for some of what he does regarding specific cases sometimes, #1 He is not as good a researcher as seems to be the case or as claimed, or #2 He has at times deliberately omitted certain details. Sadly and obviously I have to assume its the latter. And I admit this as someone whose far from some over skeptical type, I literally believe in God and paranormal/supernatural all of it 1000 percent, Never the less i have to assume this about Mr Paulides at least when it comes to certain specific cases he has covered in his books like this one, or the Arron Hedges case I believe it was, it simply has to be him deliberately omitting certain details to imply a more unexplainable outcome as the culprit, which really is a shame cause its like a person hoaxing a ufo sighting, all it does is muddy the waters, and its even more lame because there are indeed genuinely pics/videos and sightings, so I really hate hoaxes most of all and leaving out certain details is also a darn shame.
He's 79. He's having a bad reaction to his meds. He most likely has low blood pressure due to the meds. After camping he moves ahead alone. I've seen others say he went off the trail to answer the call of nature fell and died. Covered by rocks or whatever.
Well, maybe not. That area is known to be covered with undiscovered ancient lava tubes. Imagine going off the trail, lowering your pants and during the event of diarrhea your heart gives out from dehydration and low blood pressure of his altitude meds. You try to catch yourself but your pants prevent you from taking a step. You tumble forward and fall headfirst down the steep slope. You expect to smash your brains out as you fall and you do hit a few times, but quite unexpectedly as you would eventually fall and come to a rest you break through a thin layer of snow and slide down and ice covered lava tube toward wherever it terminates. No body. No smell. Maybe just down one of those slopes in a deep hole that appears to be a space in between some big rocks.
Theres another missing411 with three guys. One left to hunt on his own, never came back, body in a weird place
Paulides failed to mention
1- he was an alcoholic
2- he was drunk
3- he decided he'd detox that weekend
4- he had meds with him to help with the withdrawal. And what they give you for that is benzos
He was drunk, about to go through withdrawals, _probably_ took one in his drunken state, because he wanted it in his system before sobriety hit. Now hes mixed booze and benzos, and hes alone in the middle of the woods.
Funnily enough, Paulides says he rules out cases involving drugs and/or alcohol. (I dunno if thats how you spell his name, im tired)
@@bloodyneptune he recently did an episode of Coast to Coast and finally includes these details. I can only assume he started getting so much heat for intentionally leaving out facts that might rule out the paranormal element that got so many hooked
First of all, I give you SO much credit for doing that hike. It really does help to see the place. The trail looks less & less visible the higher you go - you even said it's easy to veer off of it. He must've been the guy going up the harder trail alone, & maybe got off track, slipped & fell, causing other rocks to fall too & bury him. No one around to see or hear. That seems the most logical explanation. Amazing, after hearing terrible stories, people still insist on doing things alone. Even YOU shouldn't have been up there alone!! Tsk, tsk, I'm glad you came to your senses & turned around!! I hope Carl is found someday. Has anyone thought of sending drones up w cameras?
I thought drones would be a good idea too, it would be interesting to see the whole area via drone. Suspect rock fall covering him may still limit their findings though.
I've recently discovered this channel, and am very impressed with the stories and the community.
I live in Ontario Canada, basically Toronto. And almost 28 years ago 6 teens went missing together, and there have never been answers.
If people are interested, which I hope they are. They are called "The Pickering lost boys"
Truly a strange case with no real mention.
my theory after seeing the landscape is that he went off trail to use the bathroom and triggered a rockslide that was small enough to not be noticed but large enough to where it buried him.
my theory too
Makes sense. It's certainly possible and it's hard to think of anything else that is (at least if we exclude supernatural explanations; like a UFO is maybe not impossible but rock slide seems rather more plausible).
But (I maybe missed whether he mentioned this or not) -have cadaver dogs never been there to search for him?
Was my thoughts exactly
Quite possible. Only recently a 40 year mystery got its closure. The remains of a caring husband and avid hunter were discovered beneath what could have been once a large rock or rocky offshoot that had fallen over him, crushing him instantaneously. After decades the rocks had split enough to expose the remains. The day he was found, his wife had a dream in which she recollected her husband telling her “he was coming home”. Nothing but a miracle.
Last week I was walking in the woods putting flags on a property line. I fell into a hole up to my waist. Straight through the heavy buildup of decomposing leaves into a hole that seemed to be the rotted repains of a tree root structure. When it happened i was easily able to get out, but I remembered the video you did about out of the box reasons people almost disappeared before being found in a hwell/crevasse/under a boulder.
And lava tubes. A fall that injures and/or results in death doesn't mean a body will be ound. Animals, insects and the elements wil decompose and scatter bones except MAYBE traces.
Also inumerable mine shafts all over the west.
Glad you are okay!
Wow that’s scary. Glad you were able to get yourself out!
My family & I were fishing in Alaska & we needed to walk around a small lake w/peat moss..Weighing 110lbs I sunk an inch or two. The others weighed 145lb + & sunk 4"+. With some peat you can sink up to your knee or hip..
When I was 14 or so I was camping with my family in the Rio Grande Forest. We set up tent maaaybe 75 ft from the car. I went to the car to get something, stepped off the part on the way back to get a closer look at some animal bones-I immediately was lost. It was literally instantaneous, I don’t know how else to describe it. One or two steps off the way and all of a sudden I didn’t know where I was. I spent the next four or five hours wandering around the forest calling for help until I lucked onto another road. Nature can be incredibly disorienting for the uninitiated. I see why it’s so easy for people to go missing and why there are so many myths about fairies confusing people in the woods.
The reason I love this channel is because of your skepticism and the fact that you often go to the location. That’s so helpful in imagining what really happened. Thanks for having high standards!
The fact that you experienced the same symptoms and experienced the same “it would be such a pity to give up now” feeling that Carl probably felt is quite poignant. I could see myself in his shoes, hiking so far and pushing through discomfort just to see the hike through to the end. Nobody really thinks it could happen to them, it’s really easy to judge someone from behind a screen. That’s why I love this channel so much.
exaaaaactly. hit the nail on the head.
I'm the opposite - stomach upset? Get me off this mountain NOW. I wouldn't care how long I'd been planning the hike. I'd turn around in an instant.
Then again I would be that person who would not want to mess it up for anyone else and insist I go back down on my own and let the rest of my group go on.
So..... I'd probably end up dead anyway. 😆
As an elderly person, for the life of me I can't understand why anyone pushes themselves beyond their obvious limits. Such a sad story. I can't even imagine how miserable he must have been, and that's before his disappearance! Tragic for all concerned.
Yes, better to sit on your axx when you’re old and yell at people to get off your lawn. He pushed himself all his life, why stop because you get old.
My thoughts exactly. Why on earth did they send their friend up the mountain alone when he was clearly struggling with sickness the day before and was likely severely dehydrated due to sickness, diarrhea and not taking on enough fluids. Crazy.
Pride. I'm no spring chicken either, but I catch myself trying to overdue things on occasion. You don't want to accept reality. Lol.
@@tillitsdone After a few injuries, we usually get the message.
Cuz if you don't learn your limitations, lots of people will waste a lot of time and money trying to rescue your sorry axx.@@canamrider07
Seeing the terrain in person adds a new element to the case. It’s so open and barren, as you state. How someone could just disappear and NEVER be found is baffling. And yes, that jacket would have 💯 stood out against that backdrop…..so strange
Your channel should be so much bigger. Your calm, rationale, take on these cases are not only rare, but a relief to hear on TH-cam these days. On top of that, your investigative prowess, along with your ability to look at the evidence with an unbiased point of view, is a respectable quality. Good work, sir. I look forward to listening to your work for years to come. And will push out this channel to anyone that will listen.
Nothing can make you more humble on the trail than a trail runner or a 6 year old in crocs 😂
Lol😂
had a similar experience on Mount Baldy over near LA. It was the first time I ever tried ascending a 10000' peak and I really felt the altitude at around 9000' and ended up turning back at 9200' when, like Carl, I found myself going five steps and pausing. I didn't want to put myself at risk given the trail had steep dropoffs on every side. Meanwhile locals were just casually jogging it in shorts and t-shirts. Oh well.
When I walked up Lassen Peak in August of 2022 since you dont really "climb"it, there were people with flip flops and track shorts with no water or anything just hauling the mail up the mountain LoL. Its nothing like Shasta although it is still tough enough even with a luxurious trail all the way to the top and there is just the most EPIC view of Lassen 60 miles away.
There's a short video going around of some hikers struggling up a steep mountain, and this monk in robes and sandals just casually walks right past them like he's having a leisurely stroll in the park. 😆 I guess if you live in mountainous areas, you get used to the altitude.
@@ElveeKaye ya seemed insane to me when locals at the GC were zooming down switchbacks in crocs not breaking a sweat and carrying a single bottle of water nothing else like wtf. ive never seen them turn back which means they went to complete the full trail which took me 10 hours...
Had a backpack disappear in mt Shasta , was setting up my tent and when I turned around it was gone.
Huh. So between that and the bright clothes thing, maybe some feral person abduction possibly?
@@moldovancrisis5482 or just an animal.
Hippy bums. The real danger of the campgrounds here...
Alot of homeless hippies thievin.
@@MsMorriWouldn't you hear an animal or another human being coming into your surroundings due to the rocky terrain? Also, us humans have an internal awareness system that alerts us when there are people, animals and other things near us and in our space. It's a survival instinct mechanism that helps to protect us. I doubt that an unheard animal or person crept up behind someone and took their backpack without making any noise or triggering their fight or flight instinct. Also animals don't have arms and hands and would have to drag the backpack away. That would definitely make noise. So, what happened to the backpack?
What killed Carl was having friends who couldn't say enough is enough and head back down the mountain until it was to late...😑
Agree. That first day they should have turned back and took/sent Carl home.
One thing is almost certain. Is if they all would have stayed together they would have most probably unanimously agreed to go back down.
Don't you think Carl bears most of the responsibility for his own demise? Being a stubborn hard head killed him.
Even if they had said enough is enough, I think he would have gone on.
I think Carl's stubbornness had a hand in it.
people who slap the word paranormal on every missing persons case are the type of people to get all of their "info" from facebook
Or Paulides.
I miss the memes. That's the best part of facebook, but they aren't worth it. Also the groups are funny
That or TikTok - there’s a bit of a generational difference
Your skepticism and thorough investigation is why I've followed your channel for so long.
Nick you are polar opposite of D.P. and thats why this channel is #1 in my book.
No drama, clickbait etc etc
And you dont convieniently leave out facts to make the story artificially sensational.
We LOVE missing enigma! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
You are very smart. Well expressed. I agree.😊
He is the 411's kryptonite!
I follow D.P for a bit until things he talked about went from possible to wack and then it got too political..Then I found this channel and the real research and non drama chased the D.P away for good..Missing 411 was really missing reality..Thank you and All the best🇬🇧🇺🇸👍
@@deerichardz I love it.
@@themajesticmagnificent386 you are very wise. DP caters to gullible
There's so many excellent things about this channel but I think my favorite is the perfect balance that Nick manages to strike between being entirely open minded to any and all possibilities to explain mysterious happenings, yet at the same time remains very grounded in reality at every beat along the way. He never outright dismisses the more fantastical explanations like extraterrestrials or supernatural occurrences, but always explores every logical route in depth, and manages to construct very rational hypotheses without invoking stuff like alien abduction or alternate dimensions. It's just enough to inflame the imagination without flying off into crazy land.
Your intro deserves a like on it's own! Excellent work fella.
One of my biggest problems with the paranormal community is the attitude you cover at the beginning. Instead of acknowledging that you are covering things that the "missing 411" believers claim are supernatural, they ask why you don't cover supernatural cases. I love bigfoot and cryptid stuff, but the people who want so badly for it to be real that they will dismiss any evidence that contradicts their beliefs. You see this a lot in flat earthers. Thank you for meticulously breaking down these cases without being condescending or rude to people who think it is supernatural.
absolutely on point. I also noticed that.
Both sides do it and it's definitely a pain. 😅
@cboyles84 I don't disagree. When skeptics call everything an owl, it gets a little ridiculous. However, when a certain cryptid channel that I don't really want to put on blast apparently believes literally, every cryptid ever exists, or David Paulides intentionally leaving out evidence so people don't realize just how mundane some of those cases are. That shit annoys me, I want paranormal investigation to be taken seriously, and when people do and say stupid things, it destroys the reputation of the entire community.
I'd like to know what these flat earthers are think of when they hear people fell down a Mountain?
Because they think the Earth is flat and there's no mountains!
Yes this 1000%. It’s the same in cases that have no logical explanation and the extreme skeptics refuse to look into supernatural possibilities (this is a lot more rare however, like a lot). It’s like, let’s look at all the facts first, delve into them and see how we feel on the other side before going to supernatural stuff, and if we get to that side and can’t find anything don’t stop there.
I say this on almost every video you post but thank you so much for your videos. In my opinion, your channel is the best, most accurate, most factual, and most informative of the period missing person shows out there on the Internet. Your research is stellar. Your conjectures are sound. Your reasoning is legit. 7:46
This channel and Lore Lodge are the absolute best at covering these types of cases!
And most classy!
@@helin779 Classier than the other shows for sure!
Stunning footage. Thank you for another fantastic episode. Your hard work is much appreciated.
Visiting the settings for many of your investigations brings so much more understanding and detail to already fantastic stories.
Mega respect.
Yes, we want more.
Just, fabulous.
I've probably said this before but I really admire your dedication and integrity. And I hope you don't listen to naysayers who dislike your drawings (I remember you saying on Lore Lodge that was a thing people were saying in your comments), they're great and give your videos such a unique look. Honestly your work is outstanding in every possible way!
The idea of people disliking his art is wild. It’s so good!
The art is what initially hooked me! The hand-drawn pieces used for the thumbnails are really eyecatching, and the artwork throughout the videos, I feel, really add to the storytelling. I know they're a lot of work to do, but I love them a lot.
@@raeoverhere923 The art is excellent
People will complain about anything lol how silly to complain about drawings. Some people just can’t be happy!!
Right? Among people doing slideshows and just recording themselves talk, the drawings are such a cool addition. I think it really gets your imagination going too
It baffles me why people continue on when any one of them is in physical distress. And not continuously being physically together as a team makes no sense to me either. I've never been with any group where we didn't pace our excursion for the slowest or least experienced of us, turning back as a team on 2 occassions that I recall. It was never even spoken of... just a natural understanding. This story is sad and tragic for everyone involved. RIP Carl, and prayers that his companions were able to forgive themselves and find peace with what happened. We all make iffy judgement calls throughout life's journey. We do the best we can
This is such a beautiful film of the area and following Carl's footsteps. Thanks for sharing
Seeing footage from a hike like yours up Mount Shasta really shows what a naturally beautiful country the US is. Sending love from the UK.
Half a lifetime ago, I moved from sea level to Vail, CO. It took me three months to get used to the altitude of 9,000 feet. Everyday felt like I was pulling a wagon full of lead. Then one day it was easy. I loved the mountains and managed to bag a few Fourteeners. Even though I lived at 9,000 feet and was in great shape, each climb was painful and exhausting for myself and my experienced companions. From experience, it's easy to see how one could become disoriented from dehydration and altitude. But to vanish in plain sight? Thanks for all the time and work you put into your presentations! ❤
Just did Shasta back in October. Really easy to get lost out here.
Yeah my thoughts mix two things: 1: initial searches... were probably the wrong area. 2: we don't really know what the right search area actually was. Was that lone maniac on the hard trail really Carl? If not.. who was it? If it was.... could it be Carl is even farther up the mountain than we thought?
did you take the north route? the south path through red banks is very straightforward and as the episode shows the path from bunny flat to lake Helen is well-worn.
With modern devices? My watch can communicate with satellites and send a distress signal.
@@boathousejoed1126That's what you think. Once you're out of range of a tower it's worthless. Try it.
@@r2dad282 Never summited but yes did some hiking from Bunny flat to Horse camp (that was very easy and straight forward. Someone took the time to mark the trail with rocks on either side) The day before we attempted bunny flat to panther meadows I believe. Stopped for a quick breather on part of the trail that was unmarked and lost it pretty easily and fast. I had enough of looking for it and we just treked down the side of the mountain to the road and walked back to bunny flat lol.
With all the channels that play up the "paranormal" angle for views your careful investigation, concise presentation of the case, carefulness in differentiating between known facts and conjecture is refreshing. Especially your compassion for the missing and their loved ones. I feel you do an excellent job presenting these cases with an eye towards compassion, understanding, and making sure the facts are known.
By far my favorite “Missing” channel. I’m a natural skeptic who wants to believe but not at the expense of the most probable reality. Keep up the good work.
The music on your hike matched the scenery so well: beautiful, with a slightly eerie undertone. The only thing I can think is that he perhaps fell and tumbled down and creating a rock slide as he fell, perhaps got wedged under a large boulder and the tumbling rocks and blowing snow covered him? I dunno, this one stumps me too.
The level of objectivity and healthy skepticism is why I enjoy your reports so much. While I have a high interest in things that *are* paranormal, I appreciate that you do the extra work before simply jumping to that kind of conclusion. With that said, this is indeed one strange case. Love your channel!
Just saw your channel for the first time. I saw another channel’s report on Carl Landers. You are above and beyond and I just subscribed. Thank you.
This is am Amazon video. The footage is beautifully filmed. TY so much! You've gone above & beyond for us on your journey & incorporating a missing person case makes it even more interesting. You brought a tear to my eye with your passion, determination & motivation. TY from the UK ❤
While there are a TON of channels of this genre out there, you are by FAR head-and-shoulders above all the others, and in all honesty, the standard others should look to achieve some day. The research and investigating methods you put forth in each of your videos are second to none, and it is truly appreciated that you simply look at the known facts, and most realistic theories, as opposed to going to the sensationalism route. Please, keep doing what you're doing!!!
Hi again. I left a long, rambling comment earlier airing my views on what people like to call "the paranormal", and I completely neglected to tell you what a great job you did creating this video! I'm really impressed that you went all the way up the mountain to the place where Mr. Landers disappeared. It was a brave and obviously difficult thing to do, and I think that it was impressive. Thank you for showing us all the view from the ground level. It was wonderful to have a chance to see Mount Shasta up close.
All the best to you, and thanks again! --N
I tip my hat to you sir, absolutely outstanding work as always. Instead of just sitting comfy in front of a camera talking aliens and Bigfoot, you go out to these locations and do a tremendous amount of research. As much as I'd love to hear another spooky paranormal story it is nice to see someone doing the real work out there. Keep it up sir!
missing enigma goes above and beyond the normal case studier. He does a tremendous amount of research and even goes to the place(insane amount of balls). This dude deserves 100x more credit.
He needs to get a better face filter. It's way too distracting. Today was my first visit and I won't subscribe or watch again because of this.
Im a local here in Mount Shasta.... This is a weird one for sure.
You live in a gorgeous part of California.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate you going to some of these places! I have aphantasia, which means I don't have a "mind's eye" - I can't picture things "in my head." So that makes it difficult to get an idea of what a place actually looks like.
How fascinating. I've heard of someone not having an inner monologue but never this. I've spent so long trying to learn to ignore my inner monologue or my daydreaming and be present in the moment.
@@buddhamack1491 Yeah, I didn't realize aphantasia was a thing either until last year. I always thought that when someone says "picture this in your mind," they were speaking metaphorically. I didn't realize most people can actually SEE things in their MIND!!! The phrase "counting sheep" suddenly made much more sense! I feel like it's a superpower that I'm missing out on 🥺
Thanks for the comment, I didn't know this even existed. I live "in my head" and can visualize almost anything.
In saying that, you're not missing out on any superpower. Most of us myself included, wish we could get rid of our daydreaming.
Best of luck and thanks again.
Very strange! Never heard of that before! Sounds like it can be a bummer!
@@EphemeralProductions I never even considered it until I realized most other people aren't like me. Apparently only about 2 to 4 percent of the population have aphantasia. When I was told that people do actually "see" things in their mind, it's not just metaphorical, it really did blow my mind!
I think what I like about this channel the most is you keep an open mind & respect others views who may differ from your own. Its easy to view missing person cases with unexplained issues & form one theory or another. I thought this is what the comment sections are for.
Ive grown tired of other channels who can not stop to consider other's opinions or theories believing they are the expert and they're not to be challenged on anything connected to a missing case. Having an opinion or theory that differs from someone elses ( no matter who they are) does not have to be a negative or combative experience. It can be done respectfully & can provide an opportunity to learn on either side. I believe when these argumentive situations arrive from this it becomes less about the case at hand & more about who is right with the only evidence to support their case is a decades long, past history on the subject in general. While that may give you the upper hand in credibility & experience, it doesnt make you ALWAYS right.
I apologize for the novel, but I wanted you to know its refreshing to see these cases being reviewed in such detail with such a high level of investigation done on your part. And you get it done without your ego getting in the way or having to put others down to do it. Awesome job as always!!❤
Well done with an absolutely excellent choice of background music at 41:48. Truly, one of the most beautiful pieces I’ve heard on a TH-cam video. It set the scene perfectly.
Thank you for not going down the paranormal nonsense rabbit hole. I appreciate your dedication to facts, clues, evidence, empirical data, logic, and reason. You’re everything the others are not when it comes to missing persons.
Well-said and very true!
_The Missing Enigma_ and _Lore Lodge_ are the only ones I can watch anymore. They both do their own independent research on a case instead of simply regurgitating the same idiotic, misinformed, sensationalized David Paulides' BS, that omits key information, facts and rational thought like Mr Ballsack and the rest do.
He doesn't have an agenda like others examining these cases do.
@@TheUncleRuckus Yes, they are both great channels!
@@TheUncleRuckusThe sad irony is that channels hopping on the unexplained train for views really ruin any serious speculation or deep dive into genuinely unexplained/unnerving deaths in the wilderness. My mind jumps to the guy who ended up halfway up a tree with the branches above him broken or the photographer who had apparently semi melted in place
The live footage really put things in perspective. Thanks for the amazing video
I don't ever comment on TH-cam videos. The quality of your videos is a reflection of the effort that you obviously put in. This is such a cool channel. Keep it up
I absolutely love you channel and your voice is so soothing and the stories you tell are well researched and thought out. Great job my friend
Avid backpacker here. My theory is .. exactly what happened to James Randall Morgenson. He's under one of those patches of ice.
As areas continue to experience record high temps, we'll probably start seeing bodies emerge. It's happening on Everest already, after all.
Maybe they're not fully melted by May, but surely by August ......?
@@audreymuzingo933 Mt. Shasta is typically snowcapped year-round.
@@madcolor Yeah, CAPPED but how far that cap goes down depends on the season.
@@audreymuzingo933 A fellow contrarian. I like it.
My favorite investigative journalist
He is certainly thorough and looks at the evidence from a logical stance.
And a physical sense
Thanks for taking us along for this dangerous and exhausting hike. You have an excellent channel.
I love your channel, Nick. You are an absolute breath of fresh air. I hope your videos get millions of hits; you deserve it and are one class act 🥰❤️👏👍 Please be careful when you go exploring🙏🏻
There is ALWAYS a way to disappear in a wilderness without the “need” for paranormal. I like your channel because you DONT automatically go there, your research and work always satisfies me enough with natural explanations. Also, just because we may not have a complete understanding of what happens doesn’t mean it’s paranormal, we simply don’t know what happened.
I live in a mountainous little town and after being here for 20 years and exploring on and off trail, I have discovered quite a few good spots that would make a person disappear very easily even with a very thorough search. A fall, animal encounter, injury, snow, weather etc and boom you are gone unless you can call for help.
Most channels who cover this material don’t do the research you do, or done with the skepticism you have. You’ve shined the light on so many cases that everyone else on the internet labels as unexplained.
Wahnsinn was du auf dich nimmst um uns zu zeigen wo Carl verschwunden ist. Ich habe richtig mit dir gelitten. Ich liebe deinen channel! Von ganzem Herzen ❤️ DANKE für deine wundervolle Arbeit!
You did AWESOME!!! Thanks for your dedication and hiking the trip
I used to be a big fan of David Paulides. But after I found this site I began to think differently about these cases.
I have a probably cause for MOST of the disappearances aside from bears, wild animals and weather and I have stated it to him at length my research into it for men, women, young, old it doesn't matter and explains most all of the actions that occurr. I have stated this to him about 12 times and he NEVER responds NEVER. WHY? Because when you know my facts what the answer is -and it is NOT portals or stupid other dimensions- it is FACTUAL, well then there is NO mystery so he won't get views or money, simple as that- that is why he does not answer me- however he DOES answer people that aren't getting 'subbed' WHY? MONEY CACHINCK, CACHINK....
SAME!!!!!
I was really into Missing 411 and the video about Aaron Hedges on this channel was a cold bucket of water on my head. Paulides left out really important details. Also when Geraldine Largay was found he still acted like there were elements of mystery. There weren't.
That’s the purpose of this channel…..to discredit David Paulides. I think that’s vicious. He does get some details wrong but the stories are all true. I won’t abandon DP’s channel because someone has a different opinion or take on these cases. I prefer to keep that open mind and listen to everything, then formulate my own opinion…..not someone else’s. I will always subscribe to David Paulides regardless of who tries to discredit or bad mouth him. I’ll do my own thinking. I’ll tell you what….these mountains must have dead bodies sticking out all over the place. The people are there….right? Sure they are. Where Carl? Carl got caught in a tiny Little Rock slide that nobody noticed but Carl. Okay
He decided to attack me in the comments because I pointe out on his bigfoot 101 part 1 video when i pointed out newspapers were not reliable in the same way they were in the recent past (I'm not that convinced they're as reliable anymore mind you). Stories posted as news aren't always true or even complete. Look at the 1880s coverage of Jack the Ripper murders; most of the letter are fake and many were written by journalists themselves. I am not actually a bigfoot sceptic, as I consider there is a lot of real physic evidence and witness evidence. However, DP treated me as a heretic non-believer. I had already noticed he made a lot of assumptions (which is poor attitude in an ex-cop imo), but this convinced me he isnt worth the time of day. That said I think his archive of missing people is a valuable reference . It's the presumption of something unusual must have happened, which spoils his investigations imo.
Remember to not take LIFE for granted and RESPECT nature
Agreed. This is a great example of someone who knows his limitations.
And KNOW your limits!
@@user-mv9tt4st9k Especially when he's getting photobombed by birds! No really 52:42
Yea, he could have had a heart attack and died eating dinner. Some people die not climbing or hiking.
nature has a way of granting people what they ask for. whether they realize it or not.
I really enjoyed every moment of this! Thank you so much for your thorough and real life research
Love your delivery. A cross between Rod Serling and Norm Macdonald! And so thorough and respectful of the Missing. Brand new subscriber.
I went & read the Wikipedia article for Altitude sickness midway through the video & it helped me understand more of what could have possibly been going on with Carl and how it can cause confusion + a variety of other unpleasant effects. One interesting thing I noticed was a before and after picture in the article. It's of a woman and you can see her face is considerably more bloated. I noticed the same thing in Missing Enigma during the portion of the video where he's climbing the mountain. When he shows footage of the next morning it definitely appears he is suffering altitude sickness. But I'm just a lay person, so I could be wrong.
I think its pretty clear that he it is having a fairly mild effect on him.
Your 'expedition' really brought this story to life for me. Thanks for a great vid!
I don’t know why you don’t have a million subscribers! Your voice is so soothing and I listen to your videos to sleep 😴 keep doing your thing. ❤
Thank you. Enjoyed the music on this episode as well.
You're so much more respectful of the facts, victims, and families than Paulides and 411, which I'm very grateful for. Thank you for what you do.
To be fair, Paulides has met with many of these families personally. I don't believe in his 411, but I will credit him for that
Im a long distance backpacker. Its extremely common for people to have an extreme lack of hunger. I usally takes a week or more (or "town food") to be able to eat enough to hike on.
This is really interesting! Do you have any idea for why that happens? Is it specific to mountain hiking or long hiking in general?
@@user-mk8yh1gv5r I don't know why, but it's extremely common. It's worse at high altitude, but not unique to it.
Yea when I was in the Rockies in Colorado i noticed i didnt have much of an appetite at all
so the more people hike, the less hunger they feel? and they have to overeat for a week to be able to hike again?
@@Raidar29 I don't know exactly what you mean, but on my first hike ever for the first week all I could stomach was some dried apricots, pretzels, and ramen. I had snickers bars, and cliff bars, and couldn't even bring myself to put any in my mouth. By the end of the first month I was hoovering every bit of food I had, and day dreaming about everything you could think of.
So great to find a channel looking into these kinds of cases and where the host is eloquent and intelligent.
Great video! You are one of my fav channels and I look forward to watching new ones as they come out. Keep up the good work.
Truly appreciate how you analyze these missing persons cases through a skeptical / investigative lens while also keeping an open mind.
It's refreshing to hear a video of this kind with an honest and frank introduction such as this. I've seen countless videos that start with the narrator telling us how a disappearance happened in a remote, desolate and unpopulated wilderness, and then ignoring everything they've just described as a factor and ascribing it to something 'paranormal' or 'mysterious'.
We visited Mount Shasta. Didn't get much farther than the parking lot and just walking around in a localized Trail area. But what a magical place. There's no question that mountain is special.
Great content. Love that you actually went on the same trail as the missing men.
I don't understand how you get so many high quality videos out so quickly
as amazing as this channel is, the upload frequency is quite slow. he averages 1 upload every other week but if were talking about the upload average of new cases & subract his interviews & remakes from past cases were lucky to get one new upload case a month. Granted, id rather have a high quality piece than get a watered down once a week pace like mr ballen has severely struggled from. There simply isnt a way to make missing enigma quality uploads once a week. but if you factor in the research needed to make a video like this man makes including the art work, your 100% right.. Even at an upload every 2 weeks, videos like these at that pace is very very impressive.
I thank you for a stellar experience. Every time you post I enjoy it so much I go back and re-watch alot of the past videos. This one is definitely gonna be one I watch again and again. Thanks for all the entertainment.
All I can say is I hope you never stop making these videos. I love the music, and being able to walk in the footsteps of the people who disappeared.
I really love this channel! I found myself saying "Oooooooo!! Yay! A video from Missing Enigma!!"
I realized then I only do that for two channels: "Missing Enigma" and "Moonlight Cottage" an asmr channell.
Thank you for all you do! I'm on a very small budget on SS but if I come into any extra money, I'll be sure to support you in Patreon!
Great work!
Thank you for all the topography!!! Really helps to understand the situation! 😊
Amazing work as always!
Carl seemed inordinately stubborn. Maybe something was going on with him personally. I got the sense that he was ready to succeed or die trying.
With a history of getting off track, it's truly remarkable to allow him to be unaccompanied for any length of time especially since he felt unwell.
Thank you for doing those hikes. It really adds a lot to your videos and gives such a good perspective about what the missing folks were facing.
New subscriber, first time caller. Your channel came highly recommended by Lore Lodge. And the suggestion did NOT disappoint. Very well spoken, thorough - huge fan! Thank you so much for taking us on this hike. It was absolutely beautiful ♡🤘🏻
You have a classic voice. Please make more mysterious videos. I follow you and bedtime stories, but you sound like you work alone, which is incredible.
The Carl Landers disappearance is really up there with the most baffling disappearances. Wonderful video TME