For those who are quick to dismiss the “barbarian” origins of the Hokkien people. 1. Please go take a DNA test, austronesian genes are in the mitochondrial DNA of all Hokkien people. I took one several years ago and confirmed it. 2. Even a lot of words in the Hokkien language have austronesian origins, for example Mango is Soai in both Hokkien and Vietnamese. 3. The video does not define “Barbarian” negatively. In fact it suggested that the Yue/Viet people were seen as barbarians simply because the imperial governments could not exert complete dominance over them.
Can you please confirm people from Sha County, Sanming, Fujian pronounce this word 根 as [kɔɪ̃33]? If so, in Vietnamese we also use a similar word Cội Rễ (meaning origin) and the first word is pronounced as [kɔɪ̃33] as well.
As someone who grew up in Singapore, the close relation between Southern Chinese and people from Vietnam, Thailand, should be exceedingly obvious. In fact we look more closely related to Vietnamese people than to Northern Chinese
We Hokkien people in Malaysia call ourselves T'ng-Lang, known as "Tang People". Somehow we have a strong connection to the Tang dynasty, even today we still embrace the golden age of China and never gave up our identity. I'm Peranakan Chinese from Malaysia, our ethnic group is mostly Hokkien descendants, even our dialects are in Hokkien mixed with other languages.
@@Pork_eating_crusaderI suppose not. This video is a deliberate attempt to divide the Hokkien from the Han people at large. It is not inaccurate. It is wrong! But Hokkien should know their own history, not from some malicious bigot TH-camr.
Thanks for the information but did you know that in Indonesia there is a city that Called Tangerang which the mean is the people from tang Dynasty and the first time Chinese settled in Indonesia was during that time or in our own timeline is in the Sriwijaya time it's the same time in tang dynasty also sorry for bad English because I'm just an Chinese Indonesia 😅
Those who call tea as "cha" or its variations (e.g. Japan, Korea, Indian, Arabic, Russian) - they know tea from Northern Chinese - silk road route. Those who call tea as "te" or its variations (e.g. English, French, Dutch, Spanish, German, Italian) - they know tea from the Fukkienese - sea route and more recent (17th century - except the Indochina and Southeast Asians ).
@tonycheng2153 Fyi mandarin is NOT Chinese. If you research enough you will find that the ancient Chinese writing is not the same as traditional mandarin (modern mandarin is simply a simplified version). Mandarin is a northern language adapted by the Manchus of the Qing dynasty to be used at court (China was ruled by two non-Chinese foreign powers - the Mongols of the Yuan dynasty 1279-1368 & the Manchus of the Qing dynasty 1644-1911) but it is not manchurian. Hokkien or Minnan/Teochew/Cantonese/Hainanese/Shanghainese/Hangchownese etc etc etc are all regional languages of the Chinese. A lot of people thought they are dialects but they are actually languages in their own right. P/s The ancient Chinese wrote using the ancient Chinese writing which is a form of pictograph (rather like Egyptian hieroglyphics though hieroglyphics is even more pictorial) and speak in regional languages. Each regional language has branches called dialects.
@@thescribe7117 that is incorrect. First of all, the Manchurians did not introduce Mandarin; they adopted it, along with the Han political system. Mandarin originated as a northern dialect that was standardized during the Yuan dynasty as the 'official language.' by the mongols. After Zhu Yuan Zhang, the founding emperor of Ming dynasty defeated the mongols, he established the capital in modern-day Nanjing, the Nanjing dialect became the official language. Later, when Zhu Di, the fourth son of the founding emperor of the Ming dynasty, seized the throne from Emperor Jianwen (the grandson of the founding emperor), he moved the capital up north to Beijing to defend against the mongols. After a big migration, the shift led to a blend of the Nanjing and northern dialects, forming what became known as the "Beijing dialect." This version was quite similar to the modern Beijing dialect, with only minor differences. Fast forward, Manchu invaded, During the Qing dynasty, the Manchurians further adapted to the Han system and the language. They incorporated several Manchu tongue sounds, as well as the characteristic “er” sound, which is a defining feature of the modern Beijing dialect. To sum up, Mandarin has always been Chinese, however it started as a regional dialect, much like other Chinese dialects. Over time, it evolved and adapted through different dynasties and cultures. It was eventually standardized during the Republic era, becoming a common language that integrated elements from both northern and southern regions of China.
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Hokkiens are known to do well in trade, has business mindset, mentally resilient. I want to learn more about my ancestor. My grandpa came to SE Asia with pennies in his pocket, he could build business and owned factory. Never met but so proud of him. When life is tough at times, mom would say, we are Lim family, never ever give up. Don't you dare to give up 😊
My Mom and her family are Hokkien speakers from Malaysia, I grew up in Canada using Hokkien words (mostly swears) without really understanding my family's history. Thank you, I learned a lot about my ancestors today and am motivated to learn more!
Why do you think that in Japanese and Korean languages, many pronunciation of Chinese words were pretty similar to Hokkien/minnan? That is because when chinese writings/language spread to Japan and Korea in the ancient days, the Japanese and Koreans adopted the ancient chinese pronunciation which is Hokkien/minnan
Same as Japan and Korea, when the central kingdom was powerful and had great influence, it spread to all the peripherals, including Fujian, it does not mean Hokkien was the language used in the central plain!
Middle Chinese and Old Chinese pronunciations would've gotten to them. Some Japanese and probably Korean too pronunciations are more recently borrowed but the older dialects probably more influential as that was what spoken when they got it. Min Nan is just closer to Middle Chinese than other Han language. Cantonese must be similar to it too as a Cantonese person I notice some similarity in pronunciation between us and Japanese, and I notice LOTS of shared vocabulary with us and Vietnamese. Although Vietnamese is heavily influenced by Yue dialects in particular.
I don't generally care for AI images but here they're used with restraint, they don't draw too much attention to themselves and actually look pretty good. I really enjoy these informative videos, especially the ancient historical and linguistic details, keep up the great work, my froggy friend
Over the past 2,200 years, since the unification of China during the Qin dynasty, the Chinese population has undergone significant cultural and genetic homogenization. This long history of integration and cultural blending has resulted in the Hokkien people, like many other regional groups in China, sharing more than 90% autosomal DNA with the Han Chinese majority. It is important to recognize that the Han Chinese are a culturally and genetically diverse group, broadly divided into Northern and Southern Han due to historical migration patterns and geographical factors. As a Malaysian Chinese with ancestral roots in Fujian (Hokkien), I carry approximately 90% Southern Han Chinese DNA and 10% Northern Han Chinese DNA- a genetic composition likely reflective of most Hokkien people.
Hi you should call yourself a Chinese Malaysian bcs by calling yourself a Malaysian Chinese it means you're a Chinese citizen but of Malay/Malaysian ancestry. I think you meant you're a Malaysian citizen of Chinese ancestry? If so you're Chinese Malaysian.
@@WilliamLeam From what I know, Baba Nyonya are not necessarily mixed race. The early batches were mixed race, but the later ones were not. Those Chinese who came later with their family and settled in one of those peranakan settlements in Melaka were also known as Baba Nyonya. I heard this many years ago at a Baba Nyonya cultural forum. Most were just hokkiens. You should definitely do a DNA test to find out.
My surname is 陈 which Tan in Hokkien. My ancestors are from Yongchun, Quanzhou, Fujian who came to Malaya in late 19th century to plant rubber. There is a city called Klang in Malaysia where the predominant dialect is Hokkien.
The Hokkien used in Klang is more similar to the one used in the north or south Peninsular Malaysia? Visited Xiamen & Quanzhou before. Even went to the Fujian Tulou. Beautiful places to visit. Really miss Gulangyu a lot.
@@RedzyRezaliOf the two main groups of Hokkien, one is from Quanzhou (Hokkien: Choan-chiu), another from Zhangzhou (H: Chang-chiu). Both speak their own dialects of the Hokkien language. They are mostly intelligible, each with their own distinct way of pronunciation and also some vocabulary differences. During the huge migration period at the time of the revolution, civil war and famine, the group from Chang-chiu mainly settled down in the northern regions (Penang, Taiping, Medan), while the group from Choan-chiu mainly settled down in the central and southern regions (Klang, KL, Johore, Singapore). Some Penangite would say their Hokkien is the better one (or even the best) in Malaysia. But as a KLite, I’d argue that their Hokkien has more foreign words like batu, tuala, puat (baht).
My surname is 越, which is Jyut in Cantonese. My ancestors are from Panyu, Guangzhou, Guangdong, the first patriarchs of our clan were Han settlers originally from Henan, they intermarried with and assimilated the Nanyue aborigines that lived there. Most moving we did was most of us move to Hong Kong at 1949 and some is overseas in various places (I lived away from motherland for 11 years) but much return now.
My paternal-great-grand-mother came from the Lâm (林) family of Minh Hương people (Ming People) who descended from the Hokkien people of Fujian. They live in Guangzhou during the Ming dynasty when my Hokkien ancestor were assigned an imperial post there. They fled when the Ming dynasty fell to the Manchu and settled in Vietnam. They served the Nguyễn lords and later the Nguyễn dynasty in Huế. During the Vietnam War they were divided between North and South and when the South fell to Communist forces, those who were in the South fled to the West. Another branch of people that I descended from are the Teochew, who have a similar history of migration. I am also descended from Vietnamese who also have a similar experience. My family’s history is a history of human migration.
According to Chinese scientists, Southern China was full of Austroasiatic tribal indigenous peoples before Chinese and Tai-Kadai expansion leading to language losses and assimilation. The Zhuang people are thought to be originally an Austroasiatic people but had adopted a Tai language, with an Austroasiatic substrate underneath Tai Kadai. Zhuang Y-haplogroup is Austroasiatic O1b1a1b1a1
Đũa, chopsticks in English share the same pronunciation with Hokkien. In reconstructed Old Chinese, the pronunciation: (Baxter-Sagart): /*[d]ak-s/ (Zhengzhang): /*das/
Hokkien diaspora have a large slice Northern Chinese / Steppes genes who migrated down to Fujian throughout the various dynasties. Often posted as frontier soldiers as South was considered the Frontier then. There was mixing with Yue/southern Chinese. Chinese DNA data banks are much more detailed nowadays, super interesting results. 😅
@@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj the reason I said steppe is due to Northern Wei cohorts that intermarried and sinicized and we're then posted south. But agree with the Tibetan /Liao gene. It came up on DNA test as Western Minority.
To clarify, the minnan people from Fujian were originally han Chinese from Northern China, Henan province, who escaped to the south in fujian due to wars. The minnan language was the original common language among ancient Chinese before it was gradually replaced by mandarin. It was the ancient heluo language(河洛话）spoken by Emperors Qin Shihuang and Han Wudi and han people in the Central plains (中原） those days 。
Southern China went through one of the largest human migrations in the last 5000 years. It's original inhabitants were austronesian, more closely related to modern day Laos/Cambodian. The migrations of China's austronesian population happens just as han Chinese expanded south and west. Fujianese are part of the Han southern expansion. Southern Chinese tend to have a higher percentage of indigenous austronesian genetics compared to northern han Chinese.
not true. Hokkien language has many substrate. Some are of pre-Tang, but most are Tang and Ming, especially when we talk about literary Hokkien. However there are alot of substrate that was speculated of non-Sino Tibetan origin. Genetic science based on haplogroup has found that traditional southern Chinese from Guangdong and Fujian were sinicised between 4th-7th century. The earliest prefectures in Minnan were only fully established around 7th century too. It is in our blood and hence Minnan descents have the right to call our land indigenous land. Thankfully our unique hybrid language makes ourselves exclusive. Even Quanzhou and Zhangzhou Minnan of the past did not see eye to eye, let alone Northerners.
I am part of a Korean diaspora family spread out in five countries: Canada US Australia North Korea and South Korea. I find your channel very interesting entertaining and informative.
My family are from Sa-kei, in Canton. We speak a dialect called LongDu, which we think have routes in Fujian/Hokkien dialects. LongDu is foreign to the Cantonese, but we think our ancestors came from Fujian.
I am curious because I live in Canton/Guangzhou, and I thought you are talking about 石碁 and it turns out that it is 中山沙溪隆都, it is first time I know there are Hokkien speaking towns in the Pearl River Delta, I have only heard that in the 雷州半岛 people are speaking Hokkien dialect, anyway, hello from Canton 😊
@@leezhieng kinda but it's getting more broken every generation. My older sister and younger brother are good, I'm passable but my older brother is terrible at it. And my niece and nephew only know a few phrases. Sadly it's probably gonna disappear in my family after one more generation. Incase you're curious my family name is Wee(Huang)
Talking about the Hokkien, the most popular Hokkien food that nobody knew is cow milk that the people today casually consume. It was originated near Mongolia. Qi Jiguang brought Hokkien soldiers to build the stone Great Wall. And the soldiers got accustomed to drink the local horse milk. When they returned to Fujian, they found it difficult to get horse milk since horses were expensive. So they sourced the milk from cows. Cows were common to use in farming, and slaughtering cows for meat was forbidden, so cows were perfect for milking. Having produce milk in large quantity, they need to preserve it. So they mixed the fresh milk with sugar into condensed milk. The practice was brought to South East Asia, especially in Indonesian city of Boyolali, where the Dutch bought and exported to Netherlands. The Dutch were made famous for condensed milk and eventually brought the production there with crossbreeding European and Asian cows produced the iconic black and white cows. Eventually the Dutch region became famous for fresh cow milk for drink since they had plenty for productions. Before, only wealthy Europeans who could afford goats could drink milk. Since the age of refrigerations, fresh cow milk had become widespread. So cow milk is the Chinese food that nobody is aware. And since it was largely consumed by Hokkien people only, even in China, milk is attributed as, European food. But in the Indonesia region of Boyolali, milk is still popular along with another Hokkien street food, bakso that is famously mentioned by Obama. And the people of Boyolali fancy themselves to be the one to introduce the cow milk the Londo, the Dutch in their tongue, and eventually the rest of Europeans.
Cant forget Fujian hosts the last Manichaean survivors, a once thriving and large rival to Christianity which preached unity between Christ above all, Zoroaster and Buddha, with Mani as their seal of the prophets and founder. Chinese Manichaeism caused the Yuan Dynasty to collapse via the red turban revolts, however the new Ming backstabbed them and exterminated them to their current numbers of a few thousand. However, non Manichaean locals still pay respects to the statue of Mani at Cao’an.
Nanman 南蛮the barbarian you mentioned was 2000years ago the southern population that migrated to Taiwan, Philippines, Jawa and Malaysia...Not the hokkien lang we see today.
The title is misleading, the original Minyue people were deported by Han Wudi and resettled all over China, where they became Han. Modern Minnan people, like other southern Han groups, derive in the main from Central Plains elite fleeing the destruction in the north during the Jin, Tang and northern Song dynasties, who intermarried with various other indigenous groups. In the case of the Cantonese, it was Central Plains elite from western Henan and Shaanxi migrating through Hunan and Jiangxi, where they intermarried with the Dong and Tai groups. In the case of the Minnan people, it was the Central Plains elite from eastern Henan, Jiangsu and Zhejiang migrating through Jiangxi and southern Zhejiang into Fujian, intermarrying with the She peoples, who themselves originate outside Fujian and have a complex ancestry. But the industry and intelligence of Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Fujian and Guangdong is not due to barbarian ancestry, but rather due to a significant component of their ancestry deriving from the Central Plains elite and an inheritance of their literary and mercantile inclinations. For which reason southern provinces were always overrepresented in the list of graduates for the imperial examinations, so much so that a quota had to be set to restrict southern Han dominance to ensure northern Han could compete.
Minnan or Hokkien people were not barbarians but were cultured Han people(汉人）from the north who later interacted with the original southerners such as the shanyue people(古越族，山越族)。
LOL. what's wrong with being barbarians? I read a book and it says that even around the Tang dynasty, families in Southern areas of China would adopt and fake the linage to northern China in order to gain prestige.
Please go back to your ancestral written records for accuracy. Fujian people are migrants from Henan. There were 4 different waves of migrants from the north China to south China after the fall of the dynasty especially Tang dynasty. Fujian people are known as former Tang people because Hokkien word for Chinese is Tang-lang 唐人。Language archeologists have confirmed most vocabulary of Hokkien language are closest and most related to Tang official language.
Yes, I'm an Indonesian-Chinese Hokkien speaker and I can confirm we do refer ourselves to "Tenlang" or "Tenang lang" which both originated from "tang-lang", just already indonesianized in a way.
Indeed! I am pure hokkien. My parents/grandparents of both parents were hokkiens. We call ourselves tang lang. My paternal & maternal grandpas/my father/paternal & maternal uncles were/are all tall & well-built/broad shouldered exactly like northerners.
I think it's so funny that Chinese dialects aren't considered different languages. They are about as different as Norwegian or Icelandic are from German, yet they still call them dialects. But the same happens in Europe. Most German "dialects" were in reality mutually unintelligible and therefore different languages. That is until TV and standardization ruined all that linguistic diversity.
I think the argument that they are dialects instead of languages stems from political agendas, but also that they use a single writing system, where European languages haven’t used a single writing system since the Roman Empire.
They're like Russian, Ukrainian, Serbian, Slovakian. I use to think that China is like if the Greater Slavic nations unified into one massive Empire taking up all of Eastern Europe, even including non-Slavic speaking peoples such as Hungarians and Romanians (Tibetians and Manchurians).
@@soppyfrogproductions6276The writing system is not “the same” any more than english, malay, nahuatl, and finnish are “the same” language because they all use the Latin script
I’m halfway through and I love the effort that went into the video. That said there's a few debatable points like referring to the Yue as Austroasiatic when it became just a general term for all non han southerners. The Yue themselves were likely a proto austronesian-tai group with Austronesians leaving from fujian to Taiwan and from there to the Philippines and on to Malaysia/Indonesia and the Pacific islands. The people who stayed on mainland China became Tai. Austroasiatic are different and have their origin on the Mekong and partially on the yangtze where they spread amongst the other Sinitic/tai/Hmong people's of southern China and Southeast Asia. The Ancestors of the Hmong are the natives of the middle yangtze and absorbed many sinitic and Jiuli peoples who they partially adopted a cultural identity from and also intermarried with many other southern peoples on their spread southward while fleeing the Han. The other thing I wanted to say is while the Hokkien are admirable and hardy sailors and merchants, likely due to the difficulties they have had to overcome with their lands, a lot of the modern day exorbitant wealth that is being generated in Fujian is from being the epicenter of the Chinese Mafia which takes advantage of the large and widespread diaspora of Min people throughout Southeast Asia and the world and which pays a cut from the profits of their crimes back to corrupt officials.
people from fujian are like the randomly spawned traders in an rpg game, no matter where u are, how far away from civilization u are, u'll always find one of them doing business
Trần(陳) Dynasty's Royal family is from Fujian province. Lý(李) Dynasty's Royal is also from Min-Fujian province too. Who is elites? i don't know but it's doesn't matter. The late Fujian(after Tang dynasty) province is full of original Chinese because the Nordic region was burdened in chaos by the nomad tribes.
Fun fact, most of the people with 李 surname from fujian share the same ancestry, their ancestor is a person called 李火德, the 28th generation descendance of Tang Dynasty's 唐高祖李渊。Maybe the Trần Dynasty's Royal family is also related to him.
I have lived in Fuzhou for the past 18 years ( capital of Fujian ) can be a little strict compared to other capitals in some aspects of life , a little expensive when it comes to real estate , but also is modernizing at breath taking speed and is a very clean city . Definitely a lot of wealth here !
Many of my ancestors are from That province. Interesting. I speak Minnan. Yes it's truly different. Yes we call tea tea. and bread pan. Sound familiar?
We Hokkien are very proud and determined people. If as distorted in this video that we were, subjugated, and treated as barbarians by the Han Dynasty, we would have resisted assimilation. But the fact that we are proud Han people today suggested that we were treated with respect and considered their own by the Han Dynasty as great people. We still resist the attempts to subjugate us even to this day, as done by the pro-American Soeharto regime in Indonesia to erase our identity during the 1960s Communist purge. But we are happy to bridge the good and amicable relationship between China and South East Asia, as it is in Jokowi era Indonesia. The fact that we are freely intermarrying with other Han people, means that we are not barbarians that this video trying to suggest. But we still do not condone intermarriage with Westerners that we consider, barbarians, unlike some other certain groups of Chinese people. They ARE barbarians according to our standards.
One of the proudest moment as a Hokkien person from Indonesia was when James Riady of the Lippo Group was bribing Bill Clinton to push for China's interest back in 1990s to what was known as Lippo Gate. We Hokkien have the principle of helping our brethrens in need in foreign land. It doesn't have to be big, but the effort that matter. But it is rare for the chance to help the motherland. If we look at the photos of the British campaign with China in Burma against the Japanese in WWII, there were pictures of trucks with painted signs in Malay/Indonesian of donations from various Hokkien groups. Truck were expensive and hard to come by in 1930s but it was our contributions to our motherland in time of needs. It is a symbol of determination of who we are, and who we will always be.
I read somewhere that the original population of Fujian in ancient China was relocated into a place near Huai river between the Huang He and Chang Jiang rivers. The modern male population of most Fujian people are descended from the central plain (zhong yuan, modern Henan province) people (not to be confused with the original population of Fujian mentioned above). So they are not barbarians. In fact, people from the Han Dynasty and later dynasties all contributed as founding fathers of modern Han Chinese. If you notice, the term 'barbarians' was originally meant for the Germanic people (East Goths Ostrogoths, West Goths Visigoths, Vandals...) who invaded Rome. Rome called them 'barbarians'. Ironically, English (Germanic) people use this term to refer to other wild foreigners under the influence of Rome whom the Germanic tribes invaded. Jus to say 'barbarians' are not a correct word to refer to Hokkien people.
@@nigelralphmurphy2852 if you based it on statistic (still retain its culture, religion, clan, etc), but de facto, indonesia has more chinese diaspora that intermarriage with the locals, so they didnt consider themselves as chinese anymore, presumably 10 million chinese descendants in indonesia spread out to 18.000 islands
Thailand, followed by Malaysia. Each of these two nations have about 8-9 million Chinese of mostly Hokkien people, ahead of even Hong Kong and Singapore. Indonesia has about 2.5 million Chinese.
@@RodrigoJ-x4l that number is severely under-reported. The truth is, there are 10 million Chinese descendants, it's impossible to not encounter some Chinese population in every city in Indonesia. The reason they didn't report that number was because during the new order regime, they made discrimination against anyone identified as Chinese common. That trauma still lingers and actually I'm against changing Chinese names to Indonesian sounding names like Tan to Tanowijaya.
I don’t know who made the Hokaglish Wikipedia page, and honestly, it just sounds made up. Most Filchis (Filipinos of Chinese descent) code switch between Hokkien, English and Tagalog and none of us would ever say we speak Hokaglish. Negative comments aside, you did an amazing video. More videos like this please.
Actually most Hokkien have origins from the Central Plains in pfesent-day Henan and Shaanxi provinces and drove out the “barbarians” and possibly intermarried with some of them.
That map of how tea is pronounced around the world listed tea as “ocha” in Japanese. “O” is the honorific here. Technically the word for tea in Japanese is “cha”, as in matcha, ryokucha, and genmaicha, for example. We don’t see the “o” in there because it’s not part of the word for tea in Japanese.
Hokkien/Fujian language is as old as Mandarin only old Chinese language is older(extinct). Both are the oldest language in China predate Cantonese and others.
Please go back to your ancestral village written records for accuracy. Fujian people are migrants from Henan. There were 4 different major waves of migrants from the north China to south China after the fall of the dynasties especially Tang dynasty. Fujian people are known as former Tang people because Hokkien word for Chinese is Tang-lang 唐人。Language archeologists have confirmed most vocabulary of Hokkien language are closest and most related to Tang official language.
I think Hokkien people should not be confused with original MinYue. Much of the culture is from Han but clearly there has been intermixing through centuries But to equate them to Minyue is as erroneous as recent cultural white wash attempts to say rquate Taiwanese to aboriginal tribes for convenient West driven Nationalistic escapism or in Vietnam thinking they are Austronesiab just bc they displa ed most of the local Dongson culture Austronesian populace and the Cham. Most people in Taiwan and Vieynam are heavily sinofied. In case of Taiwan.. or Republic of Chins They are mostly Han. But some of the idiots think they are somethingelse start treating Hokkien as "Taiwanese "....when they came from Fujian their ancestors homeland. Mental 😂
One of my projects right now is building a digital encyclopedia for an Austronesian language called, "Bisaya", spoken by around 25 million people, and when cross referencing it to other languages within the Asia-Pacific region, it turns out that much of the root words used in this Austronesian language have cognates with Hokkien/Minnan and Middle Chinese. It's really mind blowing. For example. Their native word for country, is "banwa" which is a cognate of Middle Chinese "bun-hoa" which means culture. Which is related to other Austronesian speaking people's words like the Malay/Indonesian "bangsa", and Maori "Whenua", both also mean nation.
*Bangsa* in malay/Indonesian is more akin to race or people, not country. They use negeri or negara for country/nation. Negeri would mostly refer to state/ province.
Finally, a channel host/speaker is able to pronounce the language(s) properly. I'm so irritated when I listen to mispronounced languages... Articulation makes such a difference as well!
Being half Singaporean myself with Cantonese background but living in Singapore, you definitely learnt a lot of Hokkien words and phrases even though Mandarin is the official 2nd language. I remember walking around North Point in Hong Kong which is known for being a Hokkien and just listening to old aunties and uncles communicate in their local dialect brought a smile.
Hokkian are Not Barbarian Simply we Hokkian very welll resist our land fr invader. When invaders can't win after numerous time. The call us Barbarian. Who is Barbarian Actually.?
The Hokkien people were migrants from central China who settled in Fujian and also migrated to Taiwan and many parts of SE Asia. They were not barbarians. They brought Han culture to Fujian and SE Asia.
I'm not sure if he's ethnically Hokkien, but he was born in Ningde in north Fujian. Robin Zeng, founder of CATL definitely deserves a mention as one of the most influential people from present day Fujian. CATL is a world changer in its own very big way. Excellent videos by the way, I'm now a subscriber.
If you mention Ningde you have to also mention Fuzhou ( both are within the Fujian Province ). Fuzhounese have their own dialect ( 福州话)which is a Min-Dong 闽东 ( East Min ) dialect, rather than Min-Nan闽南/Hokkien/Amoy/Xiamen 夏门 ( Southern Min ) . Robert Kuok ( 郭鹤年) was born in the then British Malaya in 1923 but his father is from Fuzhou
Apparently this Fuzhou dialect not only popular in 马祖, but also in certain places in South East Asia , and throughout the world when these Fuzhounese diaspora migrated further to the western countries. For instance, in New York City
The modern day Hokkien/Fujian people are not descended from the "barbarian" aboriginal people who inhabited Fujian over 2000 years ago. They are descended from the Han Chinese who migrated into Fujian over the last couple of millennia. Of course that doesn't preclude some intermixing of the Han with the aboriginals, but the Hokkien are for the most part are just Han Chinese.
Hokkien/Fujian are seafaring people who have affinity with the sea - undertaking long sea voyages to conduct trade in Nanyang or Dong Nam Ah (South East Asia). That's why Hokkiens were among the first Chinese people to migrate to South East Asia to gain a foothold. Hokkiens had long dominated the Spice trade with the Indonesian islands; later expanded to the timber trade as well as the rubber trade. The Hokkiens in the Philippines also dominated the Copra trade (coconut oil). Hokkiens had a "Guanxi" networking relationship which was a term that describes the practice of establishing a network of relationships for personal and business gain. This was the major reason for the early wealth & affluence of the Hokkien diaspora. The major competitors to the Hokkiens were the Teochews. Both had a major conflict (territorial war) in S'pore where they had rioted for weeks. In S'pore, the Hokkiens & the Teochews were 2 of the most affluent Chinese dialect clans. Their clan association often built schools, temples & infrastructures to serve their people.
Hokkien traders also travelled to Japan in the 16th and 17th centuries too..Ming Dynasty loyalist Koxinga or 郑成功（Zheng Chenggong) had a Chinese father and Japanese mother
there are significant austroasiatic genetics in Hokkien people - why do you think we look so much like Vietnamese people and nothing at all like the Northern Chinese folk
@@jonnowee983i thought the teochews ancestors were originally from fujian? There's a chinese saying 潮州人福建祖 meaning teochews have ancestors who originated from fujian. That is why the teochew language is like 80% similar to minan, they're just fujianese who migrated and to Guangdong.
The paternal lineage of the Fujianese traces back to Henan in Central China, while their maternal lineage originates from native Fujianese (Bai Yue). The central government massacred all the males in the region and intermingled with the native females, shaping the genetic makeup of the Fujianese population.
@@SWDolls not really there is a lot of male Baiyue DNA also. North has higher Siberian DNA but a lot is shared between many linguistic groups, not just Chinese.
Yes! And many Fukien province people migrated to Southern Asia of Indonesia, Malaysia , Thailand and Singapore, to a lesser degree to Philippines, especially during the foreign invasion of China and the great famine years of China.
Wow. Only in Northen Vietnam tea is pronounced “Chè” almost the same pronunciation as in Min dialects. I used to think that Vietnamese is most common to Cantonese of all Chinese dialect but now I have learn its maybe Hokkien Min dialects. The Vietnamese last name HOANG is almost identical to HUANG in Min dialects, which is very different to Cantonese Wong.
History can be told in many ways. I wonder who is funding this channel? I’m always skeptical of channels promoting division and disquiet in otherwise peaceful regions.
I believe what you said - there are many videos from this channel specifically targeting people of southern Chinese ancestry - Cantonese, Hokkien, Teochew & other southern Chinese.
My ancestors were political refugees of the song dynasty who fled to putien in fujian. This made sense now that my surname isnt one of those central families' that populated the fujian region in 316ad , as my ancestors are later migrants in the 1200s. I can trace my lineage partially to Guan Yu.
Yea damn bro Minyue even more barbaric than Nanyue of my ancestor now ain't they? But our lineage on our father's side is Han. The barbarian were absorbed and assimilated.
Well there's nothing wrong with having 'barbarian' ancestors. It just means that they weren't a civilisation, i.e. they had a different way of life. Doesn't mean they are inferior
@@vincentxiao1836 mmm imma say the barbarians themselves WERE inferior but the Han who have ancestry from them are no different than any other Han, not inferior or superior to any of them.
@@jchung5265 Nanman line is gone, Dongyi line is even more gone, Beidi line is arguably the most extant, but the Xirong line it is still around at least in spirit: the dogman barbarians of the West still are the archrival of China
Chinese linguists distinguish 3 Fujian dialects S.-Hokkien, Teochew, Hainan E-. Fuzhou (Hu or Hok) join provincial capital N- various counties. (W of Fujian has speakers of another dialect, Hakka, also spoken inGuangdong . Jiangxi, Sichuan, etc.)
This TH-cam actually distorting the history bigotly. Fujian people might be the descendant of the Bai Yue, but we are definitely Han people. Because we are the proud part of the Han Dynasty. It does not matter what this TH-camr wants to imply. There is no way we are separate people than the Han. We became the Han people even centuries earlier than the Cantonese.
You got it wrong. Cantonese emerged in the Qin Dynasty (221-206 BCE), when Qin Shi Huang sent 500,000 armies to conquer southern China and later Zhao Tuo founded the Nan Yue kingdom. (Guangdong, Guangxi, Northern Vietnam) Hokkien slowly emerged and most developed during the Jin Dynasty (266-420 CE), when large migrations of Han Chinese from the Central Plain escaped the war and moved southward into Fujian, bringing their language and culture to the locals.
There are some people that were originally from Fuijian but then ended up South and then also into Malaya. If you read the history of Malacca in wiki. I found it interesting. Because Malaya didn't have as many people today as before. So we are talking about a small number like in the 1 or 2 million, max. Maybe less. When china used to fight, around 500k to 800k people does.... Cos they were large civilisation. Some people find it okay to be in groups of 200k people. I don't tend to know more than my 10 to 30 family and friends. That is why some people doesn't care about records, or histories...
@@StephenYoung1379: "Hok Kien" is a Malayan term, only created in say the last few centuries. I would put it down as 1800s. Around the first and second world wars. I know it doesn't sound very English. They could have transliterated it from a mixed language like Malay. I am beginning to accept the possible definition that "Hok kien" is "kieu Feng". Wiki has a term for this. What I dislike, are people bulldozing over me, or my view in relation to them. A lot of people just grab their own family history and shoves it into your face ??.... I finally understood what is "hokloh". Or "Hok lo".... "Hok lo" is a term that I have seen people used in HK writings. The character used for "Hok" was... "Stork". In Chinese. It meant that, they were the piggies or babies sold or signed away, like a stork carrying a baby to a new piece of land. That is why.. when times were tough, donations from the Fuijian governor at that time, would send donation to the likes of Malaya. Why ? Cos that region took custom taxes. That is also why they would send "maids" or "amah".. that is, somebody of their own relative family tree, presumably... To look and raise those children. They get paid. Then most of their wages go back to their own family trees. Funny how, I recently found an article about somebody talking about "goo por"... The really funny thing is... the introduction of these "comfort women" which shook apart the notion of the Chinese-shipping-family model. To the... "Organised military men, who have sex with the single woman" to keep these people happy. That is why some of those kids were tortured and killed. Cos they were never designed to survive... The dark history of SE Asia. Nothing changed, even now... And the British social services were supposed to check that parents looked after the kids. But... Some people recently went online to say... The social services in Korea, tried to hide the dark history.vbut social services in the UK were.. cos they were of different races. The children were under care of the local council. Why did they do that ? Cos the monarchy still existed. Why didn't Korea do this ? They destroyed their Emperors position. The Emperor were thrown and their militaries rebelled. I don't know if this was... This mass sex thing, was an emperor's direction to populate the country, or what. Or if it was meant to be.... I dunno. My head is exploding. One thing I do know is that Taiwan... Held a mass wedding ceremony, to both bypass that one child policy as well as stopping these stupid notions of "one woman Vs many men" situation. That is the second world war for you.
Modern Fujian people like most southern Han Chinese are mostly Han Chinese with some Bai Yue admixture. That much is clear from genetic studies. Fujian people cluster with other Han Chinese and are quite far from Ami, Atayal, Tai, Dong, Zhuang, etc. Furthermore, Fujian and Guangdong Han all cluster close together. Guangxi Han and Hainan Han, on the other hand, appear to be exact intermediates and halfway houses between the Dai and the southern Han - with Bai Yue admixture usually slightly over half.
Most wealthy - okay maybe. Most diasporic - doubtful as one could randomly meet documented Cantonese (esp Toishanese and Chungshanese) communities in places as far flung as Mexico, Peru, Cuba and South Africa, not to say influential ones in the US, Canada, the UK and Australia. Hokkien diasporas, in comparison, are largely confined in SE Asia and parts of Oceania, especially Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore, and Australia.
Depends on how the author view what this "b4rb4rian" is. But "Hok Kien" was 閩越 kingdom about 250 BCE, and that is right that tribes groups under the south of YangZe River was considered as "b4rb4rian" that were largely withdrawn to modern-day "Southeast Asia" and Pacific Islands. "Hok Kian" province absolutely for sure was one of the result of "Han" from Yellow River basin expansion toward south. One of the easiest ways is just look at 西安, formerly 長安, the tip point of Silk Road at the Yellow River bank, we'll see the amazing Buddhist arts and heritages that strikingly so similar with the one in Hok Kien 😮! So yes that is may be right if we say that they were from Yellow River basin who got some "mixed" with the indigenous/aboriginals of 閩越. This is quite similar to whats happening in Taiwan Island today 🥲. And moreover, so many of their descendants alongside with TeoChau / ChaoChow (language also similar kind of similar to South Min as well), Cantonese etc, they spreaded all over South East Asian countries, and some other places in the world.
“I would say, uh, China need to make more, uh, take more prompt actions in, uh, dealing with, uh, dramatic, uh, aging population in China and the dramatic, uh, population decline.” -Victor Gao
I am in retail for so many years... ( vn, north Anerica). The Fujianese gave me an impression of... very, very scrooge, they don't let people make money from them. Most Chinese supermarkets and restaurants are running under ..." black markets." Workers, staffs are fujianese, paycash, no tax.... tax evasion. Illegal cigarettes, wine,,, these are how they get rich.
For those who are quick to dismiss the “barbarian” origins of the Hokkien people. 1. Please go take a DNA test, austronesian genes are in the mitochondrial DNA of all Hokkien people. I took one several years ago and confirmed it. 2. Even a lot of words in the Hokkien language have austronesian origins, for example Mango is Soai in both Hokkien and Vietnamese. 3. The video does not define “Barbarian” negatively. In fact it suggested that the Yue/Viet people were seen as barbarians simply because the imperial governments could not exert complete dominance over them.
Can you please confirm people from Sha County, Sanming, Fujian pronounce this word 根 as [kɔɪ̃33]? If so, in Vietnamese we also use a similar word Cội Rễ (meaning origin) and the first word is pronounced as [kɔɪ̃33] as well.
As someone who grew up in Singapore, the close relation between Southern Chinese and people from Vietnam, Thailand, should be exceedingly obvious. In fact we look more closely related to Vietnamese people than to Northern Chinese
@@WeiKiangKoh thanks for sharing the etymology of mango in Hokkien. Fascinating!
Very cool info
@@IvanNguyen-ky6nn why there be 33 near word koi? ppl dont have 33 tones
We Hokkien people in Malaysia call ourselves T'ng-Lang, known as "Tang People". Somehow we have a strong connection to the Tang dynasty, even today we still embrace the golden age of China and never gave up our identity.
I'm Peranakan Chinese from Malaysia, our ethnic group is mostly Hokkien descendants, even our dialects are in Hokkien mixed with other languages.
This video obviously neh included us hokkien Peranakans.
@@aldenteh9412 Yes, Cantonese are just the Baiyue tribes mixed with Chinese and Hokkien are just Han who came south mainly with a smaller local input.
Chinese people within china identify as 汉, chinese people outside china identify as 唐. Like how most chinatowns are called 唐人街 instead of 汉人街
@@Pork_eating_crusaderI suppose not. This video is a deliberate attempt to divide the Hokkien from the Han people at large. It is not inaccurate. It is wrong! But Hokkien should know their own history, not from some malicious bigot TH-camr.
Thanks for the information but did you know that in Indonesia there is a city that Called Tangerang which the mean is the people from tang Dynasty and the first time Chinese settled in Indonesia was during that time or in our own timeline is in the Sriwijaya time it's the same time in tang dynasty also sorry for bad English because I'm just an Chinese Indonesia 😅
Those who call tea as "cha" or its variations (e.g. Japan, Korea, Indian, Arabic, Russian) - they know tea from Northern Chinese - silk road route.
Those who call tea as "te" or its variations (e.g. English, French, Dutch, Spanish, German, Italian) - they know tea from the Fukkienese - sea route and more recent (17th century - except the Indochina and Southeast Asians ).
Thanks for sharing. In Thailand we also call it "Cha"
Cha is mandarin and Te is Hokkien 😊
@tonycheng2153 Fyi mandarin is NOT Chinese. If you research enough you will find that the ancient Chinese writing is not the same as traditional mandarin (modern mandarin is simply a simplified version).
Mandarin is a northern language adapted by the Manchus of the Qing dynasty to be used at court (China was ruled by two non-Chinese foreign powers - the Mongols of the Yuan dynasty 1279-1368 & the Manchus of the Qing dynasty 1644-1911) but it is not manchurian.
Hokkien or Minnan/Teochew/Cantonese/Hainanese/Shanghainese/Hangchownese etc etc etc are all regional languages of the Chinese.
A lot of people thought they are dialects but they are actually languages in their own right.
P/s The ancient Chinese wrote using the ancient Chinese writing which is a form of pictograph (rather like Egyptian hieroglyphics though hieroglyphics is even more pictorial) and speak in regional languages. Each regional language has branches called dialects.
@@thescribe7117 thanks for sharing I learned something new
@@thescribe7117 that is incorrect. First of all, the Manchurians did not introduce Mandarin; they adopted it, along with the Han political system. Mandarin originated as a northern dialect that was standardized during the Yuan dynasty as the 'official language.' by the mongols.
After Zhu Yuan Zhang, the founding emperor of Ming dynasty defeated the mongols, he established the capital in modern-day Nanjing, the Nanjing dialect became the official language.
Later, when Zhu Di, the fourth son of the founding emperor of the Ming dynasty, seized the throne from Emperor Jianwen (the grandson of the founding emperor), he moved the capital up north to Beijing to defend against the mongols. After a big migration, the shift led to a blend of the Nanjing and northern dialects, forming what became known as the "Beijing dialect." This version was quite similar to the modern Beijing dialect, with only minor differences.
Fast forward, Manchu invaded, During the Qing dynasty, the Manchurians further adapted to the Han system and the language. They incorporated several Manchu tongue sounds, as well as the characteristic “er” sound, which is a defining feature of the modern Beijing dialect.
To sum up, Mandarin has always been Chinese, however it started as a regional dialect, much like other Chinese dialects. Over time, it evolved and adapted through different dynasties and cultures. It was eventually standardized during the Republic era, becoming a common language that integrated elements from both northern and southern regions of China.
In Australia the biggest Real Estate Company is L.J Hooker.
What most Australians don't know is it was founded and spectacularly enlarged by Leslie Joseph Tingyou who changed his name to an Anglicised version of his father's name of Hookin.
while being on this topic of Hokkien and what not... this LJ Hooker name just resonates on a different level altogether... 😁😁😁
I DID NOT KNOW THIS! Wow Thanks for that info!
For a passion project, the production value of your videos are astounding!
Thanks so much, friend🙏
Hokkiens are known to do well in trade, has business mindset, mentally resilient. I want to learn more about my ancestor. My grandpa came to SE Asia with pennies in his pocket, he could build business and owned factory. Never met but so proud of him. When life is tough at times, mom would say, we are Lim family, never ever give up. Don't you dare to give up 😊
Your video is well written, narrated, and well researched and I give you my 100% shout out :Thank You!
@@texaslakebrokertt9639 I much appreciate the kind words!🙏
My Mom and her family are Hokkien speakers from Malaysia, I grew up in Canada using Hokkien words (mostly swears) without really understanding my family's history. Thank you, I learned a lot about my ancestors today and am motivated to learn more!
Hello from taiwan to all my Hokkien brothers
Very informative video. Great work with lots of research put in. Appreciate it very much. Thank you. ❤
Why do you think that in Japanese and Korean languages, many pronunciation of Chinese words were pretty similar to Hokkien/minnan? That is because when chinese writings/language spread to Japan and Korea in the ancient days, the Japanese and Koreans adopted the ancient chinese pronunciation which is Hokkien/minnan
Minnan is ancient Chinese language as early as the Tang Dynasty. Japanese and Korean copy a lot of words from Tang Dynasty.
Same as Japan and Korea, when the central kingdom was powerful and had great influence, it spread to all the peripherals, including Fujian, it does not mean Hokkien was the language used in the central plain!
Middle Chinese and Old Chinese pronunciations would've gotten to them. Some Japanese and probably Korean too pronunciations are more recently borrowed but the older dialects probably more influential as that was what spoken when they got it. Min Nan is just closer to Middle Chinese than other Han language. Cantonese must be similar to it too as a Cantonese person I notice some similarity in pronunciation between us and Japanese, and I notice LOTS of shared vocabulary with us and Vietnamese. Although Vietnamese is heavily influenced by Yue dialects in particular.
@@sanneoi6323minan is from old Chinese, Cantonese is from mid chinese just like mandarin.
晋朝，五胡乱华时候牵来福建很多北方人。省会福州附近有个城市叫“晋江”，福州有个“洛阳桥”，福建话其实是古代中原官话，这些都不是偶然的。
I don't generally care for AI images but here they're used with restraint, they don't draw too much attention to themselves and actually look pretty good. I really enjoy these informative videos, especially the ancient historical and linguistic details, keep up the great work, my froggy friend
@@johnnzboy thanks, bro!🙏
I am a hokkien chinese from singapore. Very interesting to know my ancestral history. thanks bro!
Do you belong to the Ching Kingdom?
Over the past 2,200 years, since the unification of China during the Qin dynasty, the Chinese population has undergone significant cultural and genetic homogenization. This long history of integration and cultural blending has resulted in the Hokkien people, like many other regional groups in China, sharing more than 90% autosomal DNA with the Han Chinese majority.
It is important to recognize that the Han Chinese are a culturally and genetically diverse group, broadly divided into Northern and Southern Han due to historical migration patterns and geographical factors. As a Malaysian Chinese with ancestral roots in Fujian (Hokkien), I carry approximately 90% Southern Han Chinese DNA and 10% Northern Han Chinese DNA- a genetic composition likely reflective of most Hokkien people.
Hmmm....I am a descendant of Baba Nyonya. Can DNA prove that I have Malay and Hokkien blood?
Hi you should call yourself a Chinese Malaysian bcs by calling yourself a Malaysian Chinese it means you're a Chinese citizen but of Malay/Malaysian ancestry.
I think you meant you're a Malaysian citizen of Chinese ancestry? If so you're Chinese Malaysian.
@@WilliamLeam From what I know, Baba Nyonya are not necessarily mixed race. The early batches were mixed race, but the later ones were not. Those Chinese who came later with their family and settled in one of those peranakan settlements in Melaka were also known as Baba Nyonya. I heard this many years ago at a Baba Nyonya cultural forum. Most were just hokkiens. You should definitely do a DNA test to find out.
My surname is 陈 which Tan in Hokkien. My ancestors are from Yongchun, Quanzhou, Fujian who came to Malaya in late 19th century to plant rubber.
There is a city called Klang in Malaysia where the predominant dialect is Hokkien.
The Hokkien used in Klang is more similar to the one used in the north or south Peninsular Malaysia? Visited Xiamen & Quanzhou before. Even went to the Fujian Tulou. Beautiful places to visit. Really miss Gulangyu a lot.
My surname is 黃 which is Ng in Hokkien.Any idea about nevernind.
@@tanbyik didnt a lot of hokkien speakers later shift to Cantonese back in China?
@@RedzyRezaliOf the two main groups of Hokkien, one is from Quanzhou (Hokkien: Choan-chiu), another from Zhangzhou (H: Chang-chiu). Both speak their own dialects of the Hokkien language. They are mostly intelligible, each with their own distinct way of pronunciation and also some vocabulary differences.
During the huge migration period at the time of the revolution, civil war and famine, the group from Chang-chiu mainly settled down in the northern regions (Penang, Taiping, Medan), while the group from Choan-chiu mainly settled down in the central and southern regions (Klang, KL, Johore, Singapore).
Some Penangite would say their Hokkien is the better one (or even the best) in Malaysia. But as a KLite, I’d argue that their Hokkien has more foreign words like batu, tuala, puat (baht).
My surname is 越, which is Jyut in Cantonese. My ancestors are from Panyu, Guangzhou, Guangdong, the first patriarchs of our clan were Han settlers originally from Henan, they intermarried with and assimilated the Nanyue aborigines that lived there. Most moving we did was most of us move to Hong Kong at 1949 and some is overseas in various places (I lived away from motherland for 11 years) but much return now.
My paternal-great-grand-mother came from the Lâm (林) family of Minh Hương people (Ming People) who descended from the Hokkien people of Fujian. They live in Guangzhou during the Ming dynasty when my Hokkien ancestor were assigned an imperial post there. They fled when the Ming dynasty fell to the Manchu and settled in Vietnam. They served the Nguyễn lords and later the Nguyễn dynasty in Huế. During the Vietnam War they were divided between North and South and when the South fell to Communist forces, those who were in the South fled to the West. Another branch of people that I descended from are the Teochew, who have a similar history of migration. I am also descended from Vietnamese who also have a similar experience. My family’s history is a history of human migration.
Yes I know this name living in Victoria BC Canada, a friend explained her surname Lam ideograph representing two 🌲🌲
In Hokkien we now pronounce the surname as Lim. My mother’s surname. Interesting how the sounds evolved in Vietnamese over the years
@@natalievandenberg2222 😂
@@dingus42depends on which part of fujian though.
According to Chinese scientists, Southern China was full of Austroasiatic tribal indigenous peoples before Chinese and Tai-Kadai expansion leading to language losses and assimilation. The Zhuang people are thought to be originally an Austroasiatic people but had adopted a Tai language, with an Austroasiatic substrate underneath Tai Kadai. Zhuang Y-haplogroup is Austroasiatic O1b1a1b1a1
Đũa, chopsticks in English share the same pronunciation with Hokkien. In reconstructed Old Chinese, the pronunciation: (Baxter-Sagart): /*[d]ak-s/ (Zhengzhang): /*das/
Thanks!
@@MrCassowary thank you so much, brother! You shouldn’t have. Means a lot to receive support like this🙏
I shared this video with Facebook just for my Hokkien friends in Sarawak.
Happy Chinese new year 2025.
@@papaganteng194 appreciate the support bro
Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge
Hokkien diaspora have a large slice Northern Chinese / Steppes genes who migrated down to Fujian throughout the various dynasties. Often posted as frontier soldiers as South was considered the Frontier then. There was mixing with Yue/southern Chinese. Chinese DNA data banks are much more detailed nowadays, super interesting results. 😅
northern chinese genes are very different from steppe genes.
no steppe. Sino-Tibetan yellow river gene
@@user-qwertyuiopasdfghj the reason I said steppe is due to Northern Wei cohorts that intermarried and sinicized and we're then posted south. But agree with the Tibetan /Liao gene. It came up on DNA test as Western Minority.
awesome! thank you for this most illuminating video.
another banger video! thanks man!
To clarify, the minnan people from Fujian were originally han Chinese from Northern China, Henan province, who escaped to the south in fujian due to wars. The minnan language was the original common language among ancient Chinese before it was gradually replaced by mandarin. It was the ancient heluo language(河洛话）spoken by Emperors Qin Shihuang and Han Wudi and han people in the Central plains (中原） those days 。
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Southern China went through one of the largest human migrations in the last 5000 years. It's original inhabitants were austronesian, more closely related to modern day Laos/Cambodian. The migrations of China's austronesian population happens just as han Chinese expanded south and west. Fujianese are part of the Han southern expansion. Southern Chinese tend to have a higher percentage of indigenous austronesian genetics compared to northern han Chinese.
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not true. Hokkien language has many substrate. Some are of pre-Tang, but most are Tang and Ming, especially when we talk about literary Hokkien. However there are alot of substrate that was speculated of non-Sino Tibetan origin. Genetic science based on haplogroup has found that traditional southern Chinese from Guangdong and Fujian were sinicised between 4th-7th century. The earliest prefectures in Minnan were only fully established around 7th century too. It is in our blood and hence Minnan descents have the right to call our land indigenous land. Thankfully our unique hybrid language makes ourselves exclusive. Even Quanzhou and Zhangzhou Minnan of the past did not see eye to eye, let alone Northerners.
I am part of a Korean diaspora family spread out in five countries: Canada US Australia North Korea and South Korea. I find your channel very interesting entertaining and informative.
My family are from Sa-kei, in Canton. We speak a dialect called LongDu, which we think have routes in Fujian/Hokkien dialects. LongDu is foreign to the Cantonese, but we think our ancestors came from Fujian.
Indeed, Longdu people in Sekkei/Shiqi are Min peoples.
Bruh.. you don’t wanna be associated with the F.Js…. They are known as crazies in the Cantonese world…
I am curious because I live in Canton/Guangzhou, and I thought you are talking about 石碁 and it turns out that it is 中山沙溪隆都, it is first time I know there are Hokkien speaking towns in the Pearl River Delta, I have only heard that in the 雷州半岛 people are speaking Hokkien dialect, anyway, hello from Canton 😊
Excellent video, one of the best I have seen. A must for anyone interested in China.
I'm a Filipino and very proud of our Chinoys (Filipino-Chinese). May Hokkien language does not die in my country.
Just curious, do people still speak hokkien in Philippines?
@@leezhieng kinda but it's getting more broken every generation. My older sister and younger brother are good, I'm passable but my older brother is terrible at it. And my niece and nephew only know a few phrases. Sadly it's probably gonna disappear in my family after one more generation. Incase you're curious my family name is Wee(Huang)
Thank you so much in making this video. Warm regards from North Borneo Hokkiens.
Fujianese is a major chinese subgroup along with shanghaiese, and cantonese
They were also infamous Fujian pirates during the Ming Dynasty; raided coastal Chinese with hired Japanese (or dressed up as Japanese).
Are you talking about the ancestor of Philippines President Ferdinand Marcos' ancestor known as Lim AHong?
@@masnur7007 wow didn't know Lim Ahong is his ancestor
@leezhieng ... Yes, Lim AHong the Pirate who was hunted by ADMIRAL ZHENGHE'S NAVY, both his father and he himself had said it. Look for the videos!
@leezhieng .. Yes, Lim AHong the Pirate who was hunted by Ming"s Admiral Cheng Ho/ZhengHe.
@@masnur7007 need to see his ancestry tree to confirm whether it's real or bs.
Awesome video! Any room for part 2?
Talking about the Hokkien, the most popular Hokkien food that nobody knew is cow milk that the people today casually consume. It was originated near Mongolia. Qi Jiguang brought Hokkien soldiers to build the stone Great Wall. And the soldiers got accustomed to drink the local horse milk. When they returned to Fujian, they found it difficult to get horse milk since horses were expensive. So they sourced the milk from cows. Cows were common to use in farming, and slaughtering cows for meat was forbidden, so cows were perfect for milking. Having produce milk in large quantity, they need to preserve it. So they mixed the fresh milk with sugar into condensed milk. The practice was brought to South East Asia, especially in Indonesian city of Boyolali, where the Dutch bought and exported to Netherlands. The Dutch were made famous for condensed milk and eventually brought the production there with crossbreeding European and Asian cows produced the iconic black and white cows. Eventually the Dutch region became famous for fresh cow milk for drink since they had plenty for productions. Before, only wealthy Europeans who could afford goats could drink milk. Since the age of refrigerations, fresh cow milk had become widespread. So cow milk is the Chinese food that nobody is aware. And since it was largely consumed by Hokkien people only, even in China, milk is attributed as, European food. But in the Indonesia region of Boyolali, milk is still popular along with another Hokkien street food, bakso that is famously mentioned by Obama. And the people of Boyolali fancy themselves to be the one to introduce the cow milk the Londo, the Dutch in their tongue, and eventually the rest of Europeans.
woahhhh, any article link on this? History need to be challenged!
Friggin brilliant video.
Great article, thanks for putting that together.
Cant forget Fujian hosts the last Manichaean survivors, a once thriving and large rival to Christianity which preached unity between Christ above all, Zoroaster and Buddha, with Mani as their seal of the prophets and founder. Chinese Manichaeism caused the Yuan Dynasty to collapse via the red turban revolts, however the new Ming backstabbed them and exterminated them to their current numbers of a few thousand. However, non Manichaean locals still pay respects to the statue of Mani at Cao’an.
Nanman 南蛮the barbarian you mentioned was 2000years ago the southern population that migrated to Taiwan, Philippines, Jawa and Malaysia...Not the hokkien lang we see today.
The title is misleading, the original Minyue people were deported by Han Wudi and resettled all over China, where they became Han. Modern Minnan people, like other southern Han groups, derive in the main from Central Plains elite fleeing the destruction in the north during the Jin, Tang and northern Song dynasties, who intermarried with various other indigenous groups. In the case of the Cantonese, it was Central Plains elite from western Henan and Shaanxi migrating through Hunan and Jiangxi, where they intermarried with the Dong and Tai groups. In the case of the Minnan people, it was the Central Plains elite from eastern Henan, Jiangsu and Zhejiang migrating through Jiangxi and southern Zhejiang into Fujian, intermarrying with the She peoples, who themselves originate outside Fujian and have a complex ancestry. But the industry and intelligence of Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Fujian and Guangdong is not due to barbarian ancestry, but rather due to a significant component of their ancestry deriving from the Central Plains elite and an inheritance of their literary and mercantile inclinations. For which reason southern provinces were always overrepresented in the list of graduates for the imperial examinations, so much so that a quota had to be set to restrict southern Han dominance to ensure northern Han could compete.
Incredible work, keep it up!
With your help, of course!
Minnan or Hokkien people were not barbarians but were cultured Han people(汉人）from the north who later interacted with the original southerners such as the shanyue people(古越族，山越族)。
and due to the customs of these people and of their language pidgin they got a 闽 name for their nation?
Yes, the 虫inside 闽refers to snake as ancient shanyue people worshipped snakes. 😢Therefore 福建省is also called 闽省
@@埊the name likely came into existence earlier and stuck with the Han immigrants
You/your profile pic don't even look Han lmao
LOL. what's wrong with being barbarians? I read a book and it says that even around the Tang dynasty, families in Southern areas of China would adopt and fake the linage to northern China in order to gain prestige.
Please go back to your ancestral written records for accuracy. Fujian people are migrants from Henan. There were 4 different waves of migrants from the north China to south China after the fall of the dynasty especially Tang dynasty. Fujian people are known as former Tang people because Hokkien word for Chinese is Tang-lang 唐人。Language archeologists have confirmed most vocabulary of Hokkien language are closest and most related to Tang official language.
Yes, I'm an Indonesian-Chinese Hokkien speaker and I can confirm we do refer ourselves to "Tenlang" or "Tenang lang" which both originated from "tang-lang", just already indonesianized in a way.
Im hokkien myself. My ancestor move from Zhejiang to fujian in song dynasty
Indeed! I am pure hokkien. My parents/grandparents of both parents were hokkiens. We call ourselves tang lang.
My paternal & maternal grandpas/my father/paternal & maternal uncles were/are all tall & well-built/broad shouldered exactly like northerners.
I think it's so funny that Chinese dialects aren't considered different languages. They are about as different as Norwegian or Icelandic are from German, yet they still call them dialects.
But the same happens in Europe. Most German "dialects" were in reality mutually unintelligible and therefore different languages. That is until TV and standardization ruined all that linguistic diversity.
I think the argument that they are dialects instead of languages stems from political agendas, but also that they use a single writing system, where European languages haven’t used a single writing system since the Roman Empire.
They're like Russian, Ukrainian, Serbian, Slovakian. I use to think that China is like if the Greater Slavic nations unified into one massive Empire taking up all of Eastern Europe, even including non-Slavic speaking peoples such as Hungarians and Romanians (Tibetians and Manchurians).
@@konstantinrebrov675 The linguistic diversity is far greater than Russian/Ukrainian and Serbian
@@soppyfrogproductions6276 The writing system is the same but the word used are different.
@@soppyfrogproductions6276The writing system is not “the same” any more than english, malay, nahuatl, and finnish are “the same” language because they all use the Latin script
I’m halfway through and I love the effort that went into the video.
That said there's a few debatable points like referring to the Yue as Austroasiatic when it became just a general term for all non han southerners. The Yue themselves were likely a proto austronesian-tai group with Austronesians leaving from fujian to Taiwan and from there to the Philippines and on to Malaysia/Indonesia and the Pacific islands. The people who stayed on mainland China became Tai. Austroasiatic are different and have their origin on the Mekong and partially on the yangtze where they spread amongst the other Sinitic/tai/Hmong people's of southern China and Southeast Asia. The Ancestors of the Hmong are the natives of the middle yangtze and absorbed many sinitic and Jiuli peoples who they partially adopted a cultural identity from and also intermarried with many other southern peoples on their spread southward while fleeing the Han.
The other thing I wanted to say is while the Hokkien are admirable and hardy sailors and merchants, likely due to the difficulties they have had to overcome with their lands, a lot of the modern day exorbitant wealth that is being generated in Fujian is from being the epicenter of the Chinese Mafia which takes advantage of the large and widespread diaspora of Min people throughout Southeast Asia and the world and which pays a cut from the profits of their crimes back to corrupt officials.
people from fujian are like the randomly spawned traders in an rpg game, no matter where u are, how far away from civilization u are, u'll always find one of them doing business
Hokkian people from Indonesia here... 😁👋
Love your video. As a half hokkien, this content makes me understand more about my ancestor.
Trần(陳) Dynasty's Royal family is from Fujian province.
Lý(李) Dynasty's Royal is also from Min-Fujian province too.
Who is elites? i don't know but it's doesn't matter.
The late Fujian(after Tang dynasty) province is full of original Chinese because the Nordic region was burdened in chaos by the nomad tribes.
Fun fact, most of the people with 李 surname from fujian share the same ancestry, their ancestor is a person called 李火德, the 28th generation descendance of Tang Dynasty's 唐高祖李渊。Maybe the Trần Dynasty's Royal family is also related to him.
I have lived in Fuzhou for the past 18 years ( capital of Fujian ) can be a little strict compared to other capitals in some aspects of life , a little expensive when it comes to real estate , but also is modernizing at breath taking speed and is a very clean city . Definitely a lot of wealth here !
th-cam.com/users/shortsFv6kpi1SJuU?feature=shared
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Fuzhou
Fuzhou dialect = East Min ( Min- Dong) dialect .
Hokkien = Southern Min ( Min-Nan) dialect = Xiamen dialect. Both cities are in Fujian Province
Fine channel
I found that this video information are very accurate and truth. Hokkien are the riches on earth.
Many of my ancestors are from That province. Interesting. I speak Minnan. Yes it's truly different. Yes we call tea tea. and bread pan. Sound familiar?
We Hokkien are very proud and determined people. If as distorted in this video that we were, subjugated, and treated as barbarians by the Han Dynasty, we would have resisted assimilation. But the fact that we are proud Han people today suggested that we were treated with respect and considered their own by the Han Dynasty as great people. We still resist the attempts to subjugate us even to this day, as done by the pro-American Soeharto regime in Indonesia to erase our identity during the 1960s Communist purge. But we are happy to bridge the good and amicable relationship between China and South East Asia, as it is in Jokowi era Indonesia.
The fact that we are freely intermarrying with other Han people, means that we are not barbarians that this video trying to suggest. But we still do not condone intermarriage with Westerners that we consider, barbarians, unlike some other certain groups of Chinese people. They ARE barbarians according to our standards.
福建人就是为了躲避战火从中原迁过去的中原汉人，中国根本没有血统纯不纯这种说法，大家都是汉人，说野蛮人是无知的
One of the proudest moment as a Hokkien person from Indonesia was when James Riady of the Lippo Group was bribing Bill Clinton to push for China's interest back in 1990s to what was known as Lippo Gate. We Hokkien have the principle of helping our brethrens in need in foreign land. It doesn't have to be big, but the effort that matter. But it is rare for the chance to help the motherland.
If we look at the photos of the British campaign with China in Burma against the Japanese in WWII, there were pictures of trucks with painted signs in Malay/Indonesian of donations from various Hokkien groups. Truck were expensive and hard to come by in 1930s but it was our contributions to our motherland in time of needs. It is a symbol of determination of who we are, and who we will always be.
Thank you for the story so well told.
I read somewhere that the original population of Fujian in ancient China was relocated into a place near Huai river between the Huang He and Chang Jiang rivers. The modern male population of most Fujian people are descended from the central plain (zhong yuan, modern Henan province) people (not to be confused with the original population of Fujian mentioned above). So they are not barbarians. In fact, people from the Han Dynasty and later dynasties all contributed as founding fathers of modern Han Chinese.
If you notice, the term 'barbarians' was originally meant for the Germanic people (East Goths Ostrogoths, West Goths Visigoths, Vandals...) who invaded Rome. Rome called them 'barbarians'. Ironically, English (Germanic) people use this term to refer to other wild foreigners under the influence of Rome whom the Germanic tribes invaded. Jus to say 'barbarians' are not a correct word to refer to Hokkien people.
Indonesia has the largest Chinese diaspora, mostly Hokkien.
No, it's Thailand.
@@nigelralphmurphy2852 if you based it on statistic (still retain its culture, religion, clan, etc), but de facto, indonesia has more chinese diaspora that intermarriage with the locals, so they didnt consider themselves as chinese anymore, presumably 10 million chinese descendants in indonesia spread out to 18.000 islands
Thailand, followed by Malaysia. Each of these two nations have about 8-9 million Chinese of mostly Hokkien people, ahead of even Hong Kong and Singapore. Indonesia has about 2.5 million Chinese.
@@RodrigoJ-x4lnah,, quick Google and I get 11 million numbers. Where you get your numbers from??
@@RodrigoJ-x4l that number is severely under-reported. The truth is, there are 10 million Chinese descendants, it's impossible to not encounter some Chinese population in every city in Indonesia. The reason they didn't report that number was because during the new order regime, they made discrimination against anyone identified as Chinese common. That trauma still lingers and actually I'm against changing Chinese names to Indonesian sounding names like Tan to Tanowijaya.
Woah!!! I didn't know that Nanyang is full of the toughest Chinese people...which is the Hokkiens, Hockchias, Hengwa
...and Hock Chiew
I don’t know who made the Hokaglish Wikipedia page, and honestly, it just sounds made up. Most Filchis (Filipinos of Chinese descent) code switch between Hokkien, English and Tagalog and none of us would ever say we speak Hokaglish. Negative comments aside, you did an amazing video. More videos like this please.
They took the austronesian original home world and now their offspring once again dominate the austronesian world - this time economically
why didn't you include Deng Xiaoping ? He was very influential.
Deng Xiophing are Fujian Hakka
I m Fujian Engchoon.
Actually most Hokkien have origins from the Central Plains in pfesent-day Henan and Shaanxi provinces and drove out the “barbarians” and possibly intermarried with some of them.
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That map of how tea is pronounced around the world listed tea as “ocha” in Japanese. “O” is the honorific here. Technically the word for tea in Japanese is “cha”, as in matcha, ryokucha, and genmaicha, for example. We don’t see the “o” in there because it’s not part of the word for tea in Japanese.
Hokkien/Fujian language is as old as Mandarin only old Chinese language is older(extinct).
Both are the oldest language in China predate Cantonese and others.
Please go back to your ancestral village written records for accuracy. Fujian people are migrants from Henan. There were 4 different major waves of migrants from the north China to south China after the fall of the dynasties especially Tang dynasty. Fujian people are known as former Tang people because Hokkien word for Chinese is Tang-lang 唐人。Language archeologists have confirmed most vocabulary of Hokkien language are closest and most related to Tang official language.
I think Hokkien people should not be confused with original MinYue.
Much of the culture is from Han but clearly there has been intermixing through centuries
But to equate them to Minyue is as erroneous as recent cultural white wash attempts to say rquate Taiwanese to aboriginal tribes for convenient West driven Nationalistic escapism or in Vietnam thinking they are Austronesiab just bc they displa ed most of the local Dongson culture Austronesian populace and the Cham.
Most people in Taiwan and Vieynam are heavily sinofied. In case of Taiwan.. or Republic of Chins They are mostly Han.
But some of the idiots think they are somethingelse start treating Hokkien as "Taiwanese "....when they came from Fujian their ancestors homeland.
Mental 😂
One of my projects right now is building a digital encyclopedia for an Austronesian language called, "Bisaya", spoken by around 25 million people, and when cross referencing it to other languages within the Asia-Pacific region, it turns out that much of the root words used in this Austronesian language have cognates with Hokkien/Minnan and Middle Chinese. It's really mind blowing.
For example. Their native word for country, is "banwa" which is a cognate of Middle Chinese "bun-hoa" which means culture. Which is related to other Austronesian speaking people's words like the Malay/Indonesian "bangsa", and Maori "Whenua", both also mean nation.
@@UeharaKeitaro上原恵太郎 yeah it is due to contact not proto-AN like some crazy people are claiming. Do you have a URL?
@@UeharaKeitaro上原恵太郎 I think it is hard to say that banhoa is related to bunhoa or bangsa. They sound quite different.
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*Bangsa* in malay/Indonesian is more akin to race or people, not country.
They use negeri or negara for country/nation. Negeri would mostly refer to state/ province.
Finally, a channel host/speaker is able to pronounce the language(s) properly. I'm so irritated when I listen to mispronounced languages... Articulation makes such a difference as well!
Where can I find the chart you show in the video regarding the descendents of Cantonese, Teochew and others?
Being half Singaporean myself with Cantonese background but living in Singapore, you definitely learnt a lot of Hokkien words and phrases even though Mandarin is the official 2nd language. I remember walking around North Point in Hong Kong which is known for being a Hokkien and just listening to old aunties and uncles communicate in their local dialect brought a smile.
Hokkian are Not Barbarian
Simply we Hokkian very welll resist our land fr invader.
When invaders can't win after numerous time.
The call us Barbarian.
Who is Barbarian Actually.?
The Hokkien people were migrants from central China who settled in Fujian and also migrated to Taiwan and many parts of SE Asia. They were not barbarians. They brought Han culture to Fujian and SE Asia.
They bring higher advanced culture to the “barbarian” Polynesian population in the south.
I'm not sure if he's ethnically Hokkien, but he was born in Ningde in north Fujian. Robin Zeng, founder of CATL definitely deserves a mention as one of the most influential people from present day Fujian. CATL is a world changer in its own very big way. Excellent videos by the way, I'm now a subscriber.
If you mention Ningde you have to also mention Fuzhou ( both are within the Fujian Province ). Fuzhounese have their own dialect ( 福州话)which is a Min-Dong 闽东 ( East Min ) dialect, rather than Min-Nan闽南/Hokkien/Amoy/Xiamen 夏门 ( Southern Min ) . Robert Kuok ( 郭鹤年) was born in the then British Malaya in 1923 but his father is from Fuzhou
Apparently this Fuzhou dialect not only popular in 马祖, but also in certain places in South East Asia , and throughout the world when these Fuzhounese diaspora migrated further to the western countries. For instance, in New York City
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Fuzhou
th-cam.com/users/shortsFv6kpi1SJuU?feature=shared
My ancestors came from fujian province, maybe one day i should visit that place
filipino chinese are hokkien/fujian. ancient. yet the Philippines was not invaded, but considered as TRADING PARTNER.
The modern day Hokkien/Fujian people are not descended from the "barbarian" aboriginal people who inhabited Fujian over 2000 years ago. They are descended from the Han Chinese who migrated into Fujian over the last couple of millennia. Of course that doesn't preclude some intermixing of the Han with the aboriginals, but the Hokkien are for the most part are just Han Chinese.
Hokkien/Fujian are seafaring people who have affinity with the sea - undertaking long sea voyages to conduct trade in Nanyang or Dong Nam Ah (South East Asia).
That's why Hokkiens were among the first Chinese people to migrate to South East Asia to gain a foothold.
Hokkiens had long dominated the Spice trade with the Indonesian islands; later expanded to the timber trade as well as the rubber trade.
The Hokkiens in the Philippines also dominated the Copra trade (coconut oil).
Hokkiens had a "Guanxi" networking relationship which was a term that describes the practice of establishing a network of relationships for personal and business gain. This was the major reason for the early wealth & affluence of the Hokkien diaspora.
The major competitors to the Hokkiens were the Teochews. Both had a major conflict (territorial war) in S'pore where they had rioted for weeks.
In S'pore, the Hokkiens & the Teochews were 2 of the most affluent Chinese dialect clans. Their clan association often built schools, temples & infrastructures to serve their people.
Hokkien traders also travelled to Japan in the 16th and 17th centuries too..Ming Dynasty loyalist Koxinga or 郑成功（Zheng Chenggong) had a Chinese father and Japanese mother
there are significant austroasiatic genetics in Hokkien people - why do you think we look so much like Vietnamese people and nothing at all like the Northern Chinese folk
@@dingus42 a large part of China was occupied by austrosiatic, austronesian, and tai peoples before it was most likely colonized by Han Chinese.
@@jonnowee983i thought the teochews ancestors were originally from fujian? There's a chinese saying 潮州人福建祖 meaning teochews have ancestors who originated from fujian. That is why the teochew language is like 80% similar to minan, they're just fujianese who migrated and to Guangdong.
The paternal lineage of the Fujianese traces back to Henan in Central China, while their maternal lineage originates from native Fujianese (Bai Yue). The central government massacred all the males in the region and intermingled with the native females, shaping the genetic makeup of the Fujianese population.
@@SWDolls not really there is a lot of male Baiyue DNA also. North has higher Siberian DNA but a lot is shared between many linguistic groups, not just Chinese.
@@lololo-cy2euape
Henan is northern Chinese.
Singaporean chinese with Peranakan, Hokkien and Teochew descent here. Interesting historical insight to my ancestry
Yes! And many Fukien province people migrated to Southern Asia of Indonesia, Malaysia , Thailand and Singapore, to a lesser degree to Philippines, especially during the foreign invasion of China and the great famine years of China.
HOKKIEN PEOPLES MEANS = THE BLESSED ONE
Totally Fascinating.
Wow. Only in Northen Vietnam tea is pronounced “Chè” almost the same pronunciation as in Min dialects. I used to think that Vietnamese is most common to Cantonese of all Chinese dialect but now I have learn its maybe Hokkien Min dialects. The Vietnamese last name HOANG is almost identical to HUANG in Min dialects, which is very different to Cantonese Wong.
History can be told in many ways. I wonder who is funding this channel? I’m always skeptical of channels promoting division and disquiet in otherwise peaceful regions.
I believe what you said - there are many videos from this channel specifically targeting people of southern Chinese ancestry - Cantonese, Hokkien, Teochew & other southern Chinese.
西方人的惯例
Funded by Nvidia's founder JensenHuang😂
My ancestors were political refugees of the song dynasty who fled to putien in fujian. This made sense now that my surname isnt one of those central families' that populated the fujian region in 316ad , as my ancestors are later migrants in the 1200s. I can trace my lineage partially to Guan Yu.
I’m 68 and thanks for informing me that my ancestors were barbarians 😢, the extreme type of barbarism too!
Yea damn bro Minyue even more barbaric than Nanyue of my ancestor now ain't they? But our lineage on our father's side is Han. The barbarian were absorbed and assimilated.
Well there's nothing wrong with having 'barbarian' ancestors. It just means that they weren't a civilisation, i.e. they had a different way of life. Doesn't mean they are inferior
@ True. Modern day barbarism continues though , in gaza!
@@vincentxiao1836 mmm imma say the barbarians themselves WERE inferior but the Han who have ancestry from them are no different than any other Han, not inferior or superior to any of them.
@@jchung5265 Nanman line is gone, Dongyi line is even more gone, Beidi line is arguably the most extant, but the Xirong line it is still around at least in spirit: the dogman barbarians of the West still are the archrival of China
This is in interesting video! Do you have a list of sources for this video so that we can look deeper into the topic? Thanks!
These tang ppl controls the economy of Indonesia 🤣
And malaysia too
Part 2 please!
Chinese linguists distinguish
3 Fujian dialects
S.-Hokkien, Teochew, Hainan
E-. Fuzhou (Hu or Hok) join
provincial capital
N- various counties.
(W of Fujian has speakers of
another dialect, Hakka, also spoken inGuangdong . Jiangxi, Sichuan, etc.)
Impressed with your narratives, bring on the humor. I’ve subscribed .
This TH-cam actually distorting the history bigotly. Fujian people might be the descendant of the Bai Yue, but we are definitely Han people. Because we are the proud part of the Han Dynasty.
It does not matter what this TH-camr wants to imply. There is no way we are separate people than the Han. We became the Han people even centuries earlier than the Cantonese.
You got it wrong. Cantonese emerged in the Qin Dynasty (221-206 BCE), when Qin Shi Huang sent 500,000 armies to conquer southern China and later Zhao Tuo founded the Nan Yue kingdom. (Guangdong, Guangxi, Northern Vietnam)
Hokkien slowly emerged and most developed during the Jin Dynasty (266-420 CE), when large migrations of Han Chinese from the Central Plain escaped the war and moved southward into Fujian, bringing their language and culture to the locals.
There are some people that were originally from Fuijian but then ended up South and then also into Malaya. If you read the history of Malacca in wiki. I found it interesting. Because Malaya didn't have as many people today as before. So we are talking about a small number like in the 1 or 2 million, max. Maybe less. When china used to fight, around 500k to 800k people does.... Cos they were large civilisation. Some people find it okay to be in groups of 200k people. I don't tend to know more than my 10 to 30 family and friends. That is why some people doesn't care about records, or histories...
@@StephenYoung1379: "Hok Kien" is a Malayan term, only created in say the last few centuries. I would put it down as 1800s. Around the first and second world wars. I know it doesn't sound very English. They could have transliterated it from a mixed language like Malay. I am beginning to accept the possible definition that "Hok kien" is "kieu Feng". Wiki has a term for this. What I dislike, are people bulldozing over me, or my view in relation to them. A lot of people just grab their own family history and shoves it into your face ??.... I finally understood what is "hokloh". Or "Hok lo".... "Hok lo" is a term that I have seen people used in HK writings. The character used for "Hok" was... "Stork". In Chinese. It meant that, they were the piggies or babies sold or signed away, like a stork carrying a baby to a new piece of land. That is why.. when times were tough, donations from the Fuijian governor at that time, would send donation to the likes of Malaya. Why ? Cos that region took custom taxes. That is also why they would send "maids" or "amah".. that is, somebody of their own relative family tree, presumably... To look and raise those children. They get paid. Then most of their wages go back to their own family trees. Funny how, I recently found an article about somebody talking about "goo por"...
The really funny thing is... the introduction of these "comfort women" which shook apart the notion of the Chinese-shipping-family model. To the... "Organised military men, who have sex with the single woman" to keep these people happy. That is why some of those kids were tortured and killed. Cos they were never designed to survive... The dark history of SE Asia. Nothing changed, even now... And the British social services were supposed to check that parents looked after the kids. But... Some people recently went online to say... The social services in Korea, tried to hide the dark history.vbut social services in the UK were.. cos they were of different races. The children were under care of the local council. Why did they do that ? Cos the monarchy still existed. Why didn't Korea do this ? They destroyed their Emperors position. The Emperor were thrown and their militaries rebelled. I don't know if this was... This mass sex thing, was an emperor's direction to populate the country, or what. Or if it was meant to be.... I dunno. My head is exploding. One thing I do know is that Taiwan... Held a mass wedding ceremony, to both bypass that one child policy as well as stopping these stupid notions of "one woman Vs many men" situation. That is the second world war for you.
Modern Fujian people like most southern Han Chinese are mostly Han Chinese with some Bai Yue admixture. That much is clear from genetic studies. Fujian people cluster with other Han Chinese and are quite far from Ami, Atayal, Tai, Dong, Zhuang, etc. Furthermore, Fujian and Guangdong Han all cluster close together. Guangxi Han and Hainan Han, on the other hand, appear to be exact intermediates and halfway houses between the Dai and the southern Han - with Bai Yue admixture usually slightly over half.
Most wealthy - okay maybe. Most diasporic - doubtful as one could randomly meet documented Cantonese (esp Toishanese and Chungshanese) communities in places as far flung as Mexico, Peru, Cuba and South Africa, not to say influential ones in the US, Canada, the UK and Australia. Hokkien diasporas, in comparison, are largely confined in SE Asia and parts of Oceania, especially Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore, and Australia.
Depends on how the author view what this "b4rb4rian" is.
But "Hok Kien" was 閩越 kingdom about 250 BCE, and that is right that tribes groups under the south of YangZe River was considered as "b4rb4rian" that were largely withdrawn to modern-day "Southeast Asia" and Pacific Islands.
"Hok Kian" province absolutely for sure was one of the result of "Han" from Yellow River basin expansion toward south.
One of the easiest ways is just look at 西安, formerly 長安, the tip point of Silk Road at the Yellow River bank, we'll see the amazing Buddhist arts and heritages that strikingly so similar with the one in Hok Kien 😮!
So yes that is may be right if we say that they were from Yellow River basin who got some "mixed" with the indigenous/aboriginals of 閩越.
This is quite similar to whats happening in Taiwan Island today 🥲.
And moreover, so many of their descendants alongside with TeoChau / ChaoChow (language also similar kind of similar to South Min as well), Cantonese etc, they spreaded all over South East Asian countries, and some other places in the world.
And now they evolved into Taiwan and become a computer chip powerhouse
This video is misleading because the baiyue werent exclusively austroasiatic. Baiyue also included tai-kradai and hmong-mien speakers
your videos are so interesting and we don’t know all this in the west… (I’m a canto living in europe)
“I would say, uh, China need to make more, uh, take more prompt actions in, uh, dealing with, uh, dramatic, uh, aging population in China and the dramatic, uh, population decline.”
-Victor Gao
can u make video about all of yue tribe like vietnam,ouyue,minyue,shanyue
Just found that this is a short vid to reunify the Hokkien people! For people who search for both mental and physical freedom, welcome to Taiwan!
I am in retail for so many years... ( vn, north Anerica).
The Fujianese gave me an impression of... very, very scrooge, they don't let people make money from them.
Most Chinese supermarkets and restaurants are running under ..." black markets." Workers, staffs are fujianese, paycash, no tax.... tax evasion.
Illegal cigarettes, wine,,, these are how they get rich.
Cantonese is NOT a mandarin dialect. Cantonese originated much earlier than mandarin, what the f you talking about?