This is your friend that was from PA and moved to Florida like 4 years ago. We actually talked on the phone. From time to time. Just wanted to say Hi my friend and still watching and keeping it real Spiderman. That when I was starting my TH-cam channel. We talked about camera's and content . Thank again Ray.
This feels similar to when 4k was being pushed 10 years ago. Even now 4k content is not up to where it should be. 8k seem ridiculous. 4k is already hard to have an infrastructure for.
This is mainly going to be for 4K 240hz, and to compete with DisplayPort 2.1 (especially in the monitor space) for people for the new Blackwell Series Nvidia GPU’s. The 3060 is already the most common GPU in PC gaming, there’s lots of people who have even higher end Nvidia GPU’s which are capable of high res high framerate content for many Gen 7-8 games (which are still more popular today than newer Gen 9 games), especially when DLSS is involved. Hell I have a 6700 XT, not even Nvidia so no DLSS, and it’s already what you would call a dated card in the PC space, and I can do ultra settings @ 4K well over 120hz on many gen 8 games like death stranding, older CODs. And lots of games have the option to remove DOF and motion blur and even have a slider to control the strength, it’s usually the first thing I turn off.
The thing is --- We _do_ have powerful enough GPUs, _if they stopped deliberately ignoring SLI and stopped deliberately ignoring Foveated Rendering._ Our problem isn't problems, it's solutions that aren't being implemented.
Shout out to you Q. Been a longtime viewer. Bought the KS8000 because of you, that TV was magic for me. I just bought the TCL Qm851G because of you as well, currently being shipped. Just wanted to thank you.
He’s doesn’t know what he’s talking about. We need hdmi just for 4k 240hz. Unless you enjoy long delays when you tab in and out of windows. Currently we are using compression because of hdmi limitations. They should have upgraded it a couple years ago.
Tech envy is part of the sales pitch. However, tech quality is on the manufacturers. Tech value hunting is on the consumer to be informed and selective for their optimal needs.
I want my tv to stay the same setting , unless I change them. A 12 bit panel would be an improvement. I agree with the AI auto calman package for users.
I 10,000% agree with you buddy with everything you just said! I’ve always said that if a company hired you TV technology would be so much better off than it’s probably ever going to be! One thing in particular that you didn’t mention about HDMI 2.2/8K is that 8K already is pretty much a gimmick with what little we have now because the human eye can’t really see resolution beyond 4K. 8K is essentially a glorified higher bit rate technology that it would take something to complement your eyesight to really be able to see the benefits of. Also, I personally am still very much. A 4K Blu-ray enthusiast and the market does still exist, but it’s become a collectors market and they are charging way more for it than necessary because as you said they’re cutting down the ability for companies to gain supply which forces demand to have to be compensated for in negative ways. Hopefully it will be similar to vinyl record collecting where it will never officially die, but it just won’t be a masses thing.
We can, but not always in newest titles. You can easily run Witcher 3 in 4K 120 fps, Baldurs Gate 3 in 4K 60 fps native, Doom Eternal 4K 60+ FPS easily, System Shock Remake even in 8K 60 FPS. Play in good games, not in new games.
@@akin242002I just upgraded from my 3060, I hated that thing lol. It's struggled at 4K on almost every game I played, even with DLSS it just couldn't handle it. Glad it's gone.
Could you imagine constant adjustments in real time to white balance to ensure total realism? Much like auto white balance on cameras but on a tv?! Oh I'd be all over that.
Thank you, quantum, for the exhaustive explanation on hdmi 2_2. Yes, u r right, those dudes should be focusing on (at the very least,) 12-, or even 14-bit panels?!?! Thank you quantum for commenting on that. Thanks.
Truth. I appreciate your honesty. I just got an 83inch S90D...yeah I know but I got a killer deal and it's fantastic. Dolby Vision isn't the be all end all without 12 bit TV. I agree it's just too much. A money grab with little actual benefit.
You’re right it would be easy for them to put in a self calibrating TV. And I tell you what the company that does. It first would be light years ahead of everybody else and they would sell so many more TVs I’d like to see an upstart company like TCL or Hisense do it first screw the top four
I mean, just think about it, if that could be done through software, we could actually start having some new standards being set for the HDR format. Everything can be done by the numbers and standards from your end to our end can be determined a lot better once testing is being done on the regular Before this kind of product is released. It would take a lot of testing and a lot of work, but the science is so exact now that it shouldn’t be too hard to get 2 to 3% close to what you’re seeing on our side and what can be viewed on your side Basically. So whatever is showing on your monitor has certain standards that are set, and as long as the picture looks decent to your eyes on your side and AI program can recalibrated to look 90 to 99% close on our side as you’re making your adjustments on your side, it can be done, this kind of technology is not in the dark ages anymore.
I just got the s90d and trying to work out how to get your settings videos. Is it threw patron or on here I know it’s a paid for thing just can’t work out how to
3:10 doesnt 12 bit require better image processing chips ? I feel that was the bottle neck for 12-bit panels w.r.t 4k /8K displays. Maybe when the processors become good enough to push 8K, then manufacturers will push across the board.
I have an 8K TV and a 4090. I use it for high resolution for photomode in games. I would love hdmi 2.2 because I'm gonna get a 5090. However, I'm not rich so it does mean I have to sacrifice traveling as much as I would like.
HD picture has been around for like 15 years but still most of chanels are not HD. If u want HD chanels it cost extra, What a joke. HD should have been standard long time ago. Do i even need to mention UHD 😂😂
look at bit rate . People have to put 720p bitrate on uhd content . So no hdmi 2.2 will not fix lack of ressource issue . Take edge on xbox . Skia graphite has to be turned off and sounnd setting in about:flags , clear cache . Only then do you have butter smooth uhd in edge . Why ? I do not know but its likely an apple permission issue . And no it is not ms fault . That edge is basically google chrome branded xbox . Its a google default issue . I bet chrome os has that same problem . Maybe skia graphite was not debugged fully ? Who knows
it would be interesting to test uhd interlace on the uhd 120 hertz of xbox . I bet everything would be butter smooth and at uhd . Not at 1880p or whatever
This is off topic but I thought you should know. In my experience Samsung service sucks. I bought a new 77inch S90D that went black after 3 weeks-obviously a lemon. I’ve been attempting to have Samsung repair or replace it for 6 weeks. I have received nothing but one run around after another and may need to resort to legal action to force Samsung to honor its warranty. This will be the last Samsung TV I buy. Beware.
How about I just wait for the product to come out purchase it see if it’s worth it if not, then I’ll just take it back. It’s been a couple years for me anyway so I need to upgrade my TV and stuff anyway this is more for the people. I just got a TV this year or last year then they could consider just staying with what they got if they want to.
and no support for ycbcr 4.2.0 . Maybe ycbcr 4.2.0 take more ressource then xbox solution . Take 709 or 2020 . That is done in relative colorimetry .everything ms usually do is in percepetual colorimetry .
TH-cam prefer 24p . Take small camera shot of content creator . Those should be in 24p . Any movie you see is in 24p . Game dev could adopt 24p movie cheat so their game would be in uhd 24p . Its not a thing
Lies,, all hdmi cables work!!🤣🤣!! I am just waiting to get the NEW HDMI 2.2 cables to upgrade all my hdmi 2.1 cables,, xbox one x, sony soundbar, hdmi switch, blu-ray dvd player, mini pc with windows 11, spectrum xumo stream box and more to my new 2024 hisense 43 inch tv to get better picture and sound!
You’re right it would be easy for them to put in a self calibrating TV. And I tell you what the company that does. It first would be light years ahead of everybody else and they would sell so many more TVs I’d like to see an upstart company like TCL or Hisense do it first screw the top four
It’s always consumerism that gets the best out of people.
This is your friend that was from PA and moved to Florida like 4 years ago. We actually talked on the phone. From time to time.
Just wanted to say Hi my friend and still watching and keeping it real Spiderman. That when I was starting my TH-cam channel. We talked about camera's and content .
Thank again Ray.
One good thing about HDMI 2.2 is that it SHOULD drive down the price of tvs that have that prehistoric hdmi 2.1 tech 😂
This feels similar to when 4k was being pushed 10 years ago. Even now 4k content is not up to where it should be. 8k seem ridiculous. 4k is already hard to have an infrastructure for.
This is mainly going to be for 4K 240hz, and to compete with DisplayPort 2.1 (especially in the monitor space) for people for the new Blackwell Series Nvidia GPU’s.
The 3060 is already the most common GPU in PC gaming, there’s lots of people who have even higher end Nvidia GPU’s which are capable of high res high framerate content for many Gen 7-8 games (which are still more popular today than newer Gen 9 games), especially when DLSS is involved.
Hell I have a 6700 XT, not even Nvidia so no DLSS, and it’s already what you would call a dated card in the PC space, and I can do ultra settings @ 4K well over 120hz on many gen 8 games like death stranding, older CODs.
And lots of games have the option to remove DOF and motion blur and even have a slider to control the strength, it’s usually the first thing I turn off.
The thing is --- We _do_ have powerful enough GPUs, _if they stopped deliberately ignoring SLI and stopped deliberately ignoring Foveated Rendering._
Our problem isn't problems, it's solutions that aren't being implemented.
Shout out to you Q. Been a longtime viewer. Bought the KS8000 because of you, that TV was magic for me. I just bought the TCL Qm851G because of you as well, currently being shipped. Just wanted to thank you.
Glad you're still here! The black levels on the QM851G are day and night!
Quantum, you keep talking truth to power. I 100% agree. We need 12bit panels to be rolling out across the board
He’s doesn’t know what he’s talking about. We need hdmi just for 4k 240hz. Unless you enjoy long delays when you tab in and out of windows. Currently we are using compression because of hdmi limitations. They should have upgraded it a couple years ago.
HDMI 2.2 cable are only going to sell if Hisense and TCL release good and cheap 8K TV.
They will. Now or later it's coming
HDMI 2.2 is not just for 8k. It will be great for 4k 240hz which is the new big thing in gaming.
@cuzr702 you will never get that locked. We need to get consistent 4K120 1st tbh
@@Quantum_TV never get that locked? What’s your meaning?
Tech envy is part of the sales pitch. However, tech quality is on the manufacturers. Tech value hunting is on the consumer to be informed and selective for their optimal needs.
I want my tv to stay the same setting , unless I change them. A 12 bit panel would be an improvement. I agree with the AI auto calman package for users.
I 10,000% agree with you buddy with everything you just said! I’ve always said that if a company hired you TV technology would be so much better off than it’s probably ever going to be! One thing in particular that you didn’t mention about HDMI 2.2/8K is that 8K already is pretty much a gimmick with what little we have now because the human eye can’t really see resolution beyond 4K. 8K is essentially a glorified higher bit rate technology that it would take something to complement your eyesight to really be able to see the benefits of. Also, I personally am still very much. A 4K Blu-ray enthusiast and the market does still exist, but it’s become a collectors market and they are charging way more for it than necessary because as you said they’re cutting down the ability for companies to gain supply which forces demand to have to be compensated for in negative ways. Hopefully it will be similar to vinyl record collecting where it will never officially die, but it just won’t be a masses thing.
Can't wait for 12bit tvs. This stalling year after year with gimmicks is beyond old
@ Couldn’t agree with you more brother!
That got deep FAST
I think you’re right about everything you said in HDMI 2.2 is a waste
Doesn’t matter if you got display port. We’re already there.
We can't even game at 4k properly yet not even close...
We can, but not always in newest titles. You can easily run Witcher 3 in 4K 120 fps, Baldurs Gate 3 in 4K 60 fps native, Doom Eternal 4K 60+ FPS easily, System Shock Remake even in 8K 60 FPS.
Play in good games, not in new games.
5090 will push 8k 30fps maybe 60 for certain games. There's enthusiest who will always be looking forward to it
The crazy thing is 70% of gamers are happy with Nvidia RTX 3060 with 12 GB of VRAM and a 27-inch QHD monitor.
@@akin242002Then keep your old cables. I want 240hz 4k without long delays.
@@cuzr702you'll never get that locked. At some point this is just ridiculous.
@ Maybe after 400 fps.
@@akin242002I just upgraded from my 3060, I hated that thing lol. It's struggled at 4K on almost every game I played, even with DLSS it just couldn't handle it. Glad it's gone.
Warm to cold and AI calibration are great idea!
Could you imagine constant adjustments in real time to white balance to ensure total realism? Much like auto white balance on cameras but on a tv?! Oh I'd be all over that.
Tesla TVS ,what do you think about this?😂
2.2 will be great for people with home theater setups. The 96gb/s will fix audio lip sync issues. I'm all for it
Thank you, quantum, for the exhaustive explanation on hdmi 2_2. Yes, u r right, those dudes should be focusing on (at the very least,) 12-, or even 14-bit panels?!?! Thank you quantum for commenting on that. Thanks.
Happy new year bro
Happy new year!
Just fantastic brother. Fantastic.
Kanye West of TH-cam 😂🔥
Dude is a billionaire with endless accomplishments💀how is that a roast?
@ not a roast bro, I like Kanye
Truth. I appreciate your honesty. I just got an 83inch S90D...yeah I know but I got a killer deal and it's fantastic. Dolby Vision isn't the be all end all without 12 bit TV. I agree it's just too much. A money grab with little actual benefit.
I just bought pretty good HDM 2.1 cables. ☺
I’m out ,I give up ! I could give you 100 things wrong with ALL the damn HDMI (cables AND ports) starting with the POS HDCP crap 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
You’re right it would be easy for them to put in a self calibrating TV. And I tell you what the company that does. It first would be light years ahead of everybody else and they would sell so many more TVs I’d like to see an upstart company like TCL or Hisense do it first screw the top four
I mean, just think about it, if that could be done through software, we could actually start having some new standards being set for the HDR format. Everything can be done by the numbers and standards from your end to our end can be determined a lot better once testing is being done on the regular Before this kind of product is released. It would take a lot of testing and a lot of work, but the science is so exact now that it shouldn’t be too hard to get 2 to 3% close to what you’re seeing on our side and what can be viewed on your side Basically. So whatever is showing on your monitor has certain standards that are set, and as long as the picture looks decent to your eyes on your side and AI program can recalibrated to look 90 to 99% close on our side as you’re making your adjustments on your side, it can be done, this kind of technology is not in the dark ages anymore.
Wait so there's no 12-bit panels? So what does the Samsung S90D and S95D TVs have?! 🤯
10 bit
I just got the s90d and trying to work out how to get your settings videos. Is it threw patron or on here I know it’s a paid for thing just can’t work out how to
3:10 doesnt 12 bit require better image processing chips ?
I feel that was the bottle neck for 12-bit panels w.r.t 4k /8K displays. Maybe when the processors become good enough to push 8K, then manufacturers will push across the board.
I have an 8K TV and a 4090. I use it for high resolution for photomode in games. I would love hdmi 2.2 because I'm gonna get a 5090. However, I'm not rich so it does mean I have to sacrifice traveling as much as I would like.
QUANTUM TV RULES.
HD picture has been around for like 15 years but still most of chanels are not HD. If u want HD chanels it cost extra, What a joke.
HD should have been standard long time ago.
Do i even need to mention UHD 😂😂
Amen to this brother!
Preach the common sense obvious problems for all the fools brotha! Teach them how goofy all this is.
the intent of hdmi 2.1 was nice but almost nobody else do it . Oh the tv say 120uhd but the content in that container is 1880 at 30 fps
Facts
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Good facts
Usually tv it self is fine . As long as you do not plug anything
Quantum Panasonic W95a can do BT2020 in SDR!!
We need that on a 12bit panel
And it is still a WOLED...
look at bit rate . People have to put 720p bitrate on uhd content . So no hdmi 2.2 will not fix lack of ressource issue . Take edge on xbox . Skia graphite has to be turned off and sounnd setting in about:flags , clear cache . Only then do you have butter smooth uhd in edge . Why ? I do not know but its likely an apple permission issue . And no it is not ms fault . That edge is basically google chrome branded xbox . Its a google default issue . I bet chrome os has that same problem . Maybe skia graphite was not debugged fully ? Who knows
it would be interesting to test uhd interlace on the uhd 120 hertz of xbox . I bet everything would be butter smooth and at uhd . Not at 1880p or whatever
I’m still on 1080p
Whatever makes you happy
so at ces , bitrate test , resolution test , and claimed fps test will be the name of the game . I bet tester wont have proper port tool
The bokeh AI feature exists in Toshiba 9900 OLEDs
Nobody gonna say what you say you have the BALLS to tell us the truth
Dude says the most basic stuff and acts like its a revelation. Yawn.
Let’s go!🎉
This is off topic but I thought you should know. In my experience Samsung service sucks. I bought a new 77inch S90D that went black after 3 weeks-obviously a lemon. I’ve been attempting to have Samsung repair or replace it for 6 weeks. I have received nothing but one run around after another and may need to resort to legal action to force Samsung to honor its warranty. This will be the last Samsung TV I buy. Beware.
How about I just wait for the product to come out purchase it see if it’s worth it if not, then I’ll just take it back. It’s been a couple years for me anyway so I need to upgrade my TV and stuff anyway this is more for the people. I just got a TV this year or last year then they could consider just staying with what they got if they want to.
and no support for ycbcr 4.2.0 . Maybe ycbcr 4.2.0 take more ressource then xbox solution . Take 709 or 2020 . That is done in relative colorimetry .everything ms usually do is in percepetual colorimetry .
Does 8k really matter at this point? Cause it’s not like anything actually pays 8k connect heck most 4k content is true 4k
Gotta keep people buying cables so they can keep making big $$$. Lots of waste.
Oil up daddy
R u going to CES if so please keep us updated ❤🎉
If you want to know the future of tv just ask Vincent at hdtv he's the top guy in the industry for calibration and future features 😉
References calibration is not difficult to do as long you follow Instructions on Calman/Studio or per TV manufacture
Exactly. And as shown in my calibration tutorial, you can even enable target lines. Its beyond easy.
8k will be another 3d . Most content on tv are at 720p or 1080i ycbcr 4.2.0
TH-cam prefer 24p . Take small camera shot of content creator . Those should be in 24p . Any movie you see is in 24p . Game dev could adopt 24p movie cheat so their game would be in uhd 24p . Its not a thing
Lies,, all hdmi cables work!!🤣🤣!! I am just waiting to get the NEW HDMI 2.2 cables to upgrade all my hdmi 2.1 cables,, xbox one x, sony soundbar, hdmi switch, blu-ray dvd player, mini pc with windows 11, spectrum xumo stream box and more to my new 2024 hisense 43 inch tv to get better picture and sound!
And brand-new copy protection as well
You’re right it would be easy for them to put in a self calibrating TV. And I tell you what the company that does. It first would be light years ahead of everybody else and they would sell so many more TVs I’d like to see an upstart company like TCL or Hisense do it first screw the top four