MJ,, no debate. Longevity also increases all time turnovers, free throws missed and missed shots per game. Those are negative stats. Also playing 22 years and just 4 championships.
@@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824he’s shot way more stop it. The 3 wasn’t even popular in the 90,s unless you were glen rice Reggie miller fisher . Players wasn’t even allowed to shoot 3,s like that
@@williebender1895 you further prove my point. If you dont shoot the 3 a lot, you will only shoot it on good looks and open looks, Mj didnt even do that good
This is a stupid statement. Lebron shot more close shots and more 3pt shots, overall he’s more efficient, doesn’t mean he’s the goat. But he is in my opinion 😝
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1xno when ever there is a poll mj destroys lbj fan vote and it’s by a lot. Mj got 73 percent to lbj. All the polls by the fans it’s the media.
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1xsince when is you in the minority if you believe Mj is the goat? I never really see many saying Lebron is the goat? Maybe people do but from what i hear and see on every vote with Mj vs Lebron Mj always wins
Lebron's playing style looks like of some robot's. Whereas MJ's was captivating - resembling a dancer, a magician and all that jazz. The greatest of all time can't be robotic. The dude was PLAYING as the g.o.a.t. While LeBron CLAIMS to be the g.o.a.t. And that's what makes the difference. Hell of a difference.
Yup jordan for me still tho fo realz and it's exactly of what he was saying about Jordan's impact and stuff tho so yeah don't get me wrong I'd like to give it to lebron james since I watched him play and not jordan since I was actually too young tho still so yeah.
@saamyaintfake because when you half ass on defense and take plays off you're not the best and don't even belong in the discussion He has eliminated himself
@saamyaintfakeBecause you can’t erase 6 Finals losses with only 4 Finals wins. Especially when you are the leader of superteams (even if you face another superteam.) Don’t be fooled, 40,000 points is amazing but it’s primarily due to longevity (more games played). In case you didn’t know Michael Jordan reached 30,000 points faster (fewer games) than LeBron and averaged more points per game than LeBron even to this day.
@saamyaintfake Jordan had over 30k and he played from 1984-2003 19 years but he was not in the league for 5 years so 14 years lebron has like 7 years more of play
okay you might think MJ is the goat bc he is, but he’s one of the only comparable people to him. and it’s bold to say someone sucks knowing they would TOAST YOU in basketball 😭😭😭😭
The GOAT 🐐 debate is OVER and LeBRONZE🥉🥉will NEVER be the GOAT. Here’s why. 1. 8 championship losses which includes his 2 on Team USA🥉🥉 2. He has a LOSING Finals record of 4-6 including 2 sweeps 🧹 🧹The greatest of all time can ❌NOT❌ be a guy that has LOST more than he’s WON. I mean what are we doing here. 🤷♂️ 3. He’s NEVER won a championship without joining a SUPER TEAM. 4. He’s the all time leader in TURNOVERS. He even has more than John Stockton and John has 4,800 more assists. 5. He’s a career below average free throw shooter. 10 seasons he’s been below 75.0% including 5 seasons in the 60.0% range and he’s never shot 79.0% his whole career. His HIGHEST season percentage is lower than MJ’s🐐LOWEST. 6. He’s not a competitor. This is a guy that LOSES & RUNS. OK I LOST LET ME GO HERE. OK I LOST AGAIN LET ME GO HERE. OK I LOST AGAIN LET ME GO TO THE WEST NOW SO STEPH CAN STOP WINNING RINGS ON ME. 😂 7. Steph and the Warriors built a DYNASTY on his back. Lebron runs so much that he’ll never be part of a dynasty. SMH 8. He’s had more HELP than everybody in NBA history. 9. Let’s talk about toughness in big moments. JORDAN🐐scored 38 with flu like symptoms in game 5 of the 97 Finals. Meanwhile in game 1 of the 2014 Finals Lebron had to be carried off the court because the AC went out. I guess he’s never played ball in the park. 😂 10. He’s 6 misses away from passing Kobe to become the all time leader in MISSED SHOTS. 11. He FLOPS and his defense is not that good. Sometimes he doesn’t play defense at all. Sometimes he doesn’t even get back on defense. 12. I mentioned this is #1 but he’s also failed TWICE on Team USA bringing home 2 BRONZE Medals🥉🥉 13. He’s the only guy in the debate that took the SUPER TEAM route to success. So how can we even compare him to guys that had traditional careers. 🤷♂️ 14. He’s praised for his longevity even though he uses, Cryotherapy, Normatech Leg Boots and spends time in a Hyperbaric Chamber. WHAT? Meanwhile he’s being compared to MJ🐐whose only method of treatment was icing his knees. 🤷♂️ 15. He’s only played a full season ONCE. MJ🐐did it 9 times including his final season at 40 years old. 16. He’s possibly on PEDS 💉💉 17. He’s been outscored in the Finals 7 times. Dirk, Wade, Bosh, Jason Terry, Tony Parker and KD TWICE. MJ🐐was NEVER outscored in the Finals. I mean enough is enough. Nothing about what I just mentioned says the greatest player of all time. I mean he’s done some great things but what people don’t seem to realize is without SUPER TEAMS his career is nowhere close to where it is today. Check this timeline. 2003-10 Before Super Teams - 1 Finals appearance 🧹 2011-24 After Super Teams - 9 Finals appearances See what I mean 🤷♂️ And along with all those deep post season runs came rings, records and stats that he wouldn’t have if he would’ve never left the Cavs the first time. I’ll give him 3, maybe 4 trips to the Finals at best. Also here’s a list of some star players and how many BELOW AVERAGE free throw seasons they had. (under 75.0%) - MJ🐐 - 0 Kobe - 0 Magic - 0 Bird - 0 Steph - 0 KD - 0 Kawhi - 0 Kyrie - 0 J Tatum - 0 N Jokic - 0 Harden - 0 Dame $ - 0 Lebron - 10 Plus LBJ had 5 seasons in the 60.0% range and he hasn’t shot 79.0% from the line in 21 seasons. There’s ❌NO WAY❌ anyone can tell me he’s the greatest player of all time when can barely go the line by himself and hit two shots. FACTS💯 Long story short, Lebron due to way too many negatives on his resume is disqualified from GOAT contention. 💯
THAANKK YOUUU FINALLY SOMEONE WITH FACTS!! I DONT EVEN KNOOWW WHY HE IS COMPARED TO JORDAN😂ITS A JOKE LIKE WTF! JORDAN?? BRO IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BE BETTER THAN KOBE LOL😂
He has more weaknesses, negative accolades, and records than ANY top 4 players in the top 10. I put him between 25-30. How can you be the WORST at something (turnovers, finals losses, most missed FT by a non center, biggest finals upset, biggest finals point diff, most missed FG which he will get this season) but be considered the best? makes no sense to me. not even top 10 among small forwards per game in ft%, fg%, 3pt%, steals, blocks, boards..but BIRD is.. i dont get it
Exactly! I love how his super fans love leaving out that the majority of his shots are within 2 feet of the rim. Same reason Kareem held the record before him. These people annoy me.
Then that means Bron is a better efficient scorer! Why take a difficult 2 pointer when you can get the same 2 points at the rim?? Jordan himself said he didn’t excel at shooting 3’s because he wanted to put pressure on the defense! So why is it bad that LeBron puts pressure on the defense going down hill? Kyrie looks better as a scorer compared to Shaq but we know Shaq is more dominant and efficient. LeBron is a perimeter player going to the cup to score and is a more efficient 3 point shooter. Advantage James!
@@Ace-fe8gc nice try. No, it means Bron isn’t a shooter, so naturally if you’re limited to lay up’s the likelihood of a higher FG% exists. You guys reason ridiculously.
@@OpinionStated I’m still waiting for your point. You say he’s not a shooter but he shoots better from 3 than Jordan so what does that make Jordan? LeBron just finished a 41% from 3 shooting more volume of 3’s in a season than Jordan ever shot. How do you explain your shooting comment and, if guys know LeBron isn’t a shooter and they play him for the drive because he isn’t a ‘shooter’ then how does he keep scoring at the paint?
@@Ace-fe8gc you answered your own question. By volume because of todays style of play in the NBA, Joel Embiid & Jokic shoot more than Jordan did 😂🤣 That doesn’t make them shooters. And how convenient of you to cherry pick Bron’s best statistical year from three. He’s still not a shooter, meaning the mass of his shots come within 2 ft of the basket - pretty simple. Steph Curry; Klay Thompson; Kevin Durant; Devin Booker; Luka Doncic etc are shooters my friend. Yes, Bron can FINALLY shoot better than his early career, but there’s no consistency in terms of balanced shots from different ranges on the court. Impossible to misunderstand or to argue. Oh, and please tell me you understand that a layup is within two feet of the rim?🙏🏾🤣
To me lebron isn’t top 5 he had 2 statistical titles and that’s it. That matters. Longevity is good and all but he accomplished way less in double the time compared to too many players.
@@rocwilliams6347 he’s not better than Kareem, not better than Magic, not better wilt, not better than MJ, not better than Hakeem. All these players have more statistical titles. Only one that don’t win as much as him was Hakeem and he won 2 titles with less help than lebrons titles and Hakeem can arguably be called the greatest defender in history. How can you be the goat when you were never really the best at anything. He did less when he spent half his career in one of the worst conferences in NBa history.
@@Getdown8319 why is lebron the only person not allowed to have teammates , all the people you named had legendary teammates except for wilt who played 8 teams lol
@@rocwilliams6347 ya he’s not the best at anything he played forever that’s cumulative stats. Robert parish has more points that Larry bird. He’s a better scorer. It’s funny because cumulative stats didn’t matter until lebron came around.
This world crazy we grown adults debating someone with 6 rings who never lost. To somebody winning 4 rings and keep losing. Grown ups need to go back to school. 4 will never be greater than 6. So why are we debating this
Who told you Micheal Jordan never lost?He played in the NBA for 15 seasons and won 6 times which means he lost and was thoroughly beaten 9 times.Do you have a problem with mathematics?😂😂😂😂😂😂
It’s awesome what he did but what Lebron did & is STILL doing at 22 years in & just all the legends he’s dominated & beat on his resume at or around his position that’s alien like to me it’s so much talent in the league past 2 decades & Lebron isn’t miles ahead of anyone like mj was but if u look at head to head vs his rivals he’s always dominating them as if he has a clear talent advantage
Although I appreciate your positive views and arguments for both players, the unfortunate part. When talking about 2 players who are close in terms of accolades and records you then have to look at failures to break any ties. Lebrons Mavs series was an epic failure on a personal performance, MJ never had a series where he collapsed like that.
@@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824 that is because he actually shot and tried to lift his team. Lebron went away from the ball and just stopped playing he was so bad
@@JayDay32 jordan averaging 20 on 41/19/79 chucker of shots and only scoring 20 is crazy lmao. Lebron on the other had averaging 26 points on 54/41/75. One is a one trick pony inefficient shot chucker with no spacing, the other is the best all around play oat
There's no debate... Not even close. One did it. One is manufactured. I didn't say who but everyone reading this knows who I consider the GOAT. Isn't that saying something? 😂
GOATS don't choke...MJ didn't Lebron has on many occasions...MJ had no weaknesses in his game...Lebron still does after 22 years in the league..still can't shoot Free throws.. and in 22 years 7 more than MJ he still doesnt have the individual accolades MJ does....he can only keep playing padding stats in a league where defense doesn't exist and offense is easier across the board...I have watched both of them from their rookie season throughout their careers and at no time was Lebron better than MJ with only one exception...LONGEVITY...and if that mattered Kareem would have been in the GOAT conversation a long time ago....defense matters and Lebron isn't in MJs category on D...TOs matter and Lebron has always made a lot more of them...Lebron is the second greatest player to ever play the game and that is incredible...but he is not the best to do it....Just imagine if MJ and his talent in todays game were the one chasing stats knowing what he had to do to be the GOAT..he would literally avg 40 plus points a game in this NBA with the defensive rules as they are in a league averaging 15 more points a game than the Jordan years...THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A DEBATE....MJ was so much more dominant and skilled in his era by comparison to Lebron...there was no question really who was the best player in the league for all of MJs bulls years or how underrated he was in his Wizards years...he alone took a 29th rank defense to 14th rank in a half year before getting injured....Defense matters
SPEAK LOUD SPEAK CLEAR & SPEAK LONG SO THEY CAN BOTH HEAR & UNDERSTAND YOU BRO ..... PURE FACTS. LECHOKE has never LEAD the league in STEALS but he LEADS the League in TURNOVERS & LECHOKE is on NO LEVEL CLOSE TO MJ DEFENSIVELY.
@@xJTKx Yes you're Correct abt MJ not making it to the Finals without Scottie and hey SO WHT isn't it a TEAM SPORT bcse as far as I kno ALMOST DOESN'T COUNT. Y'all wnt y'alls LOSER KING to be so HIGH tht y'alls actually count Missed Shots lololololol. Imagine going to the line to Shoot 2 Free Throws, shoots and misses both but yet y'alls still count the 2 MISSED SHOTS AS MADE SHOTS lolololol thts how DUMB y'alls are lolololol Yow Making it to the NBA FINALS goes down as a Stat a reminder in history of who the WINNING TEAM BEAT tht Yr or who LOST bcse the other team won, so in other wrds tht team was the LOSING team and NO MATTER how good they played they STILL LOST and will ALWAYS be REMEMBERED AS LOSERS tht Yr and wht ever Yr they LOST after lolololol so hey keep y'alls argument abt MJ not making without Scottie okay but remember to always take his 6 FINALS LOSSES which contains 2 SWEEPS, the fct tht he played with MULTIPLE SUPERSTARS and cud only come up with 4 wins out of 10 tries, the several times he CHOKED, the amount of times he wlkd off the court leaving his Teammates Hanging while the game was still in Progress bcse he's a COWARD, oh lawd you cnt ever forget tht he told y'alls his Fans to go bck to y'alls miserable poor lives lololol, the fct tht he FLOPS, CARRIES TRAVELS, COMPLAINS CONSTANTLY MAKES EXCUSES, and is ALWAYS QUICK TO BLAME EVERYONE ELSE EXCEPT HIMSELF but hey then again y'alls will always accept these things bcse y'alls no nothing abt bball and y'all are more than likely just like him lololololol.
@@Graveyardshift0522no it wasn’t Jason terry outscored Lebron in the nba finals imagine a so called goat getting out scored by a bench player bwahahaahhahaqha
You failed to add Jordan was a better defender with DPOY award and better on steals and blocks but alright guess defense doesn’t matter when it comes to stats
As someone who watched both MJ and LBJ, there is no comparison. This is a manufactured debate to get ratings. As great as LBJ is, he is nowhere near MJs level. Even Cleveland gave MJ the loudest standing ovation at the allstar top 75 celebration.
@Breakingthesilence0522 goat mean Greatest of all Time. That means there can only be one. LBJ is not it. But if you mean LBJ is an all-time great, absolutely. It's been a privilege watching LBJs entire career.
@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824 no, anyone that has LBJ in the top 5 don't know ball. The fact that LBJ had to form superteams in order to win should tell you he doesn't belong in the conversation. The fact that all the people in the media that has LBJ in the goat conversation are getting paid by klutch sports should tell you LBJ doesn't belong.
LeBron James Biggest Mistake Was Wearing Michael Jordan #23 Jersey When he Should have Started out Wearing his own Identify Jersey Number." So on that he Can't never pass Michael Jordan..Kobe Bryan didn't Wear Michael Jordan #23 Kobe Bryan #24 and #8 Bad Decision LeBron James 🤔."
I’m not sure I agree with a strength for Lebron being adaptability. Everywhere he goes the team has to adapt to his play style not the other way around. And this video never even mentioned anything about defense.
Iv'e seen the last three eras of modern day basketball (including the Kobe era) , and It's MJ without question. He was like a bolt of lightning that came out of nowhere and attacked his opponents with a nightmarish speed and stealth no one had ever seen before. It was unreal, inspiring and hilarious watching him turn the sport on it's head at the time. Watching him mature and evolve over the years was amazing. LBJ is a great player no doubt, truly spectacular but it's MJ for me as far as the GOAT.
There is no debate longetivity accumulative to consistent competitive tough man era with real basketball wins yes there was politics back then but the intergrity
Mj is my goat. I don't have an issue if others believe lebron... i don't blame him for losing to the Durant warriors. I think those 2 loses in. Miami killed his legacy. And that bubble chip...
Jordan was a once in a lifetime player. He had that fire in him, an almost psychopathic will to win, and had the talent to achieve that victory. Those big hands of his helped too, MJ could move that ball everywhere, and the jumping ability he had was crazy especially in the 80s
When MJ was asked to actually play point guard for a stretch with the bulls his averages were better than Lebron on points assists and rebounds...MJ is still the only player not Magic to average over 11 assists in an NBA finals...he is a complete player was just never asked to be the facilitator...even so he still avg over 5 assists and 6 rebounds per game for his career while having more steals and BLOCKS per game than Lebron
@@solitarium-el5el Turnover King you mean. 4-6 NBA Finals is no king. LeBum was 53 seconds away from 2-8, if not for series-saving shots by Kyrie and Ray Allen. LeBum is 0-7 on game winners in NBA Finals. Jordan 6-0, 4-8 on game winners. No bench playing bums like Jason Terry ever outplayed Jordan in any playoff series, unlike LeBum who collapsed in the 2011 Finals. No King kiddo.
MJ played basketball, meanwhile Leflop’s playing byllyball. It’s mind boggling that the new generation couldn’t see how many times Leflop committed offensive fouls and travels. My 14 years old son can see the different between the two
Let's stop this goat debate. MJ was the absolute best in his era. James on the other hand wasn't the best throughout his era. Curry, Durant,Westbrook,Melo,and a few others had seasons where they were the best. Period.
This isn’t even a debate. I’m old enough to have seen both. Jordan isn’t just the best basketball player I’ve seen, he’s the best athlete at any sport I’ve ever seen.
It’s funny, when you watch the highlight reel, it’s mostly MJ in the finals or playoffs where he dominated making clutch play after play, whereas Lebron’s highlights are just regular season because he didn’t make an impact in the finals, really! That’s saying something!
How does one define whos the GOAT base on era or rings, because there's a few more players who had more championship with just one team Duncan and Bryan something to add to this debate if you know what i mean 😊
Do people even watch lebron play? He has the ball in his hands all game of course his numbers will be juiced mj played off the ball something lebron cant do..
Can't really make a serious argument for anyone who played most of their career in the East. Kobe went against Duncan, T-Mac and more, and was still the greatest of his era. Wilt Chamberlain owns more records than anyone probably ever will. Kareem was a phenom, and Magic had to battle Bird. Other than MJ, the only East player in the conversation should be Larry Legend.
Theres that player who was in the first team defense,season mvp, finals mvp, and scoring title.. this was done only four times.. this player is 1. Jordan, 2. Jordan, 3. JORDAN, 4.Jordan
Michael Jordan is the only player in NBA history to win MVP, a scoring title, first team all-defensive player, a championship and a finals MVP all in one season. Jordan did this 4 times. Michael Jordan is also the only player to win a scoring title and defensive player award in the same season. Jordan did this 6 times. In 13 years, Jordan won 11 championships: 6 NBA championships, 2 Fiba championships, 2 Olympic championships, and 1 NCAA championship.
Michael Jordan doesn’t have to compete with LeBron when it’s known it’s a given Michael Jordan is the only GOAT in the professional basketball league. FACT.
This debate is simple: MJ stayed, worked hard, and helped his team develop. On the other hand, LBJ left and switched teams too many times, abandoning ship to save himself while leaving his crew behind. Imagine having a captain who abandons their ship and crew. People who choose LBJ over MJ are like fools who are willing to be a sacrificial pawn.
I’ve read the comments on a ton of Mj vs LeBron videos and the comments are virtually all saying MJ is the goat. Im starting to think the only reason people think it’s even a debate is because the media is trying to drive ratings when in actuality everyone knows MJ is the goat.
This is not even a debate. We all know it’s Michael Jordan now if you would’ve put Kobe Bryant versus Michael Jordan on the goat debates, then we got a real discussion here
The Greatest of All Time: #1 - Stockpiled accolades, awards & trophies - especially more than his peers. #2 - Accomplished more historical feats, in less time than ANYONE ever! #3 - Won more championships than his peers & established a standard of excellence for others to aspire. 😕During LeBron’s Career: #1 - Nikola Jokic has one fewer MVP than him & will likely tie him in the coming season. #2 - the only thing he’s done more of is Finals MVP (4) & score 40k, but it’s taken him 20+ seasons to do so. #3 - Steph Curry has equal championships in less time. And, many other players have won their fair share of title pie. How nice of him to be so giving. 🤩During MJ’s Career: #1 - ✔️ #2 - ✔️ #3 - ✔️ There is NOTHING that LeBron can do, that MJ couldn’t do better. The assist myth needs to end. Research his early seasons prior to the 90’s when they had him running PG. You’re welcome.
This narrative is trash tbh. Your reasoning on James hopping and adapting to other teams is false. He literally changes teams to his liking. Assists before was you pass then the guy shoots. Nowadays, assists is you pass the ball, the guy dribbles 20 times, creates his own shot, still called an assist. 😅
This is a product of Le media, it’s just not debatable. The mind, will and skills all favor MJ all the way. So please stop!!! Lebron doesn’t even belong in the top ten, Le media are only hyping him up. Lebron doesn’t even be compared with Magic, Bird, Kobe, Jabbbar and all the greats of the game.
You had me until the 4th chapter. It's older people holding onto the "legend" of Mike. Younger kids are more enamored with Curry than Mike. Without Nike, David Stern changing rules to favor MJ to feature dunking, and the aging of Kareem, Magic, Isaiah and Bird, Mike wouldn't be considered near as good.
Some corrections for this vid: MJ played 15 seasons, not 13 (although the last 2 with the Wizards have nothing to do with his GOAT case - we all know his GOAT case is based strictly on his Bulls career, so saying 13 is understandable. Still, 15 is the actual number). Also, it says Lebron has been to 20 straight playoffs. This isn't true. He's missed the playoffs a few times. He's been to 18 playoffs total, and not all in a row.
I hate when they compare statistics, and don't point out the fact that MJ played college ball and won a national championship. And LeBron Came straight out of high school. MJ also retired for two years to play major league baseball. And LeBron played longer in the NBA. Of course he's going to have better stats. But explain the reason why????
I've seen both and for me personally it's Lebron. I've never seen a guy be an elite player with no drop off for 20+ years. Its insane what lebron is doing. Players usually lose some ability as they get older, their impact diminishes and their role on the team shrinks. He's still has expection to carry a team to the playoffs and win a championship and that's crazy. No player at this stage of their career has had this burden.
I'm sorry, my guy but there are so many flaws in your arguments that it makes it difficult to ignore. LBJ is a great player and he's earned his seat at the GOAT table. But we all know who's seated at the head of the table.
In my honest opinion once LeBron does retire I highly doubt he has a farewell tour. If he does then he’s super bold because I can guarantee he’s going to get boo’d in every arena besides maybe Cleveland.. and I know for a fact he’s going to get boo’d in LA there’s no way the Lakers organization retire his jersey.. I can’t wait to sit back to watch when this day comes and he’s out the league for good.
i still dont understand how a guy who is 4-6 in the finals bypasses anyone in the top 10. he the only one with a negative finals record on the list and thats the most important series in the playoffs
In MJ's 6 finals appearance's Scottie Pippin actually actually led Jordan in steals, rebounds, and assists. Does that mean Pippin was better than MJ? What case can you possibly make that supports that idea? They were just simply two different players with different jobs. Here's another quick example, Larry Bird was a better all around shooter than MJ, better rebounder and passer, does that mean he was better? Jordan was a one on one player and did what he had to do to win, and he was the best at it! MJ's the GOAT, there's no debate!!!
"Lenron was a beast on the Boards:" What? 8 rebounds = a beast?? You lost me. Lebron gets his rebounds because he is 6 foot 8 and a power forward. I would call him "adequate" at best. His rebounds are incidental.
Lebalco is the greatest when it comes to steroid management. He will be surpassing Lance Armstrong's greatness soon enough and after his retirement when the truth eventually comes out he will get his due flowers. Meanwhile in the basketball world, Jordan has proven to be the overall greatest basketball player of any era period with lot's of close 2nd place players for sure. Lebalco disqualifies himself from 2nd place discussion for obvious reasons.
In this comparison people keep glossing over MJ's defense as if he was only a one trick pony. He had many weapons when he needed it. Going to the dance 10 times and loosing more times than you won isn't nearly as impressive as someone winning every time they have gone to the dance. Perfect will always be more impressive than imperfect. Lebron is the only player for some reason in the Goat debate with a loosing record. That's not nostalgia that's just facts. Something you can't say about Bird, Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Bill Russell or Kobe. Secondly he didn't dominate his so called era. His era is also Steph Curry's era as well. And Curry won as many Championships than Lebron. Hell Curry has a winning record. And the way he won matters. After Cleveland, playing with all these all-star's and HOF players should offset the whole he had more competition mess. Besides Jordan only played with 1 HOF player on his first 3 championships and than 2 on his second with and older Dennis Rodman and Scotty ON ONE TEAM. I BELIEVE THAT IS WAY HARDER TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR GAME TO STILL WIN. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST CHOOSE WHO YOU ARE PLAYING WITH, THATS WAY TOO EASY. YOU CAN'T JUST JUMP SHIP BECAUSE YOUR TEAM IS DOING BADLY. ADJUST! JORDAN DID WAY MORE WITH LESS. HE HAD A BUNCH OF ROLE PLAYERS AND ONE HOF PLAYER WHEN HE STARTED WINNING. And Loyalty should be an attribute in it self. Playing for one city and one team should be valued more than someone playing for their selves and their brand. But Lebron has had dozens of Allstar and HOF talent to help him win and sometimes carrying him to victory where he would get all the praise. That's why no one of status would play for the Lakers this year. All I'm saying is the path to "VICTORY" matters. Buying your own media company "Clutch Sports" to change the narrative and capture the hearts and minds of people is manipulation. Just to put you in the Goat debate to surround you with yes men as you crown yourself the Goat is dishonorable. The way he has manipulated the NBA playing with all his Allstar HOF friends. He even got his son in the NBA on a guaranteed multi million dollar contract with propaganda. Knowing he's not on the same level as the NBA players he said he was better than. He's made things a spectacle and mockery. Thank God for the collective bargaining agreement! Because people are finally catching on. He won't be able to just match up with his super friends to win chips. As well I noticed that you stated that Lebron was a "better" rebounder and "better" passer. But Jordan Proved that he could do both well when Doug Collins moved him to point guard he averaged and triple double. A streak of 10 Triple Doubles in 11 games and a 47 points 11 rebounds and 13 assist masterpiece. You didn't say what Jordan did better than Lebron except for mid range shooting. You didn't mention LeBron's poor free-throw shooting to Jordan's near impeccable 83% free-throw. You said he had a higher field goal percentage but that's not in context. Generally centers, powerfoward and forwards have a higher percentage than guards and rebounds. But Jordan ranks 3rd all-time in steals number 1 in blocks and 3rd all-time in rebounding for guards. That would be in correct context. Because Tyson Chandler has a better FG percentage than Jordan. Is he a better player no. Because by position he closer to the basket for higher percentage shots especially if you dunk all the time. Also, that he has 3 steals titles and a Defensive player of the year and scoring title in the same year. Matter of fact 10 scoring tittles. So he still would have been a better scorer and defensive player than Lebron. Be fair in your comparisons because that was a slight and bias disguised as objectivity. It wasn't. Winning matters when you want to put someone in the Goat debate. Lebron isn't no where nearly as Dominant or influential as Jordan is. Even still today 3o years later we are still talking about him. And Lebron has to still play because he's still chasing Jordan. He is just getting to Jordan's record of 30 point games only because of Longevity. But like Barkley said "he played 8 more seasons and he's still behind Jordan?" " I don't want to hear anymore about this Goat Debate!" He's right.. most of the world myself included doesn't think that it's a real debate. Not many people are believers in the whole Lebron GOAT propaganda and narrative. Not many players are even close to Jordan in that conversation. Especially not Lebron. It's them changing the Narrative with Mr. Le GM propaganda to put him into the GOAT debate. It worked on the simple minded and those who don't pay attention to detail and facts.
Mj is the GOAT at his time because the game wasn’t so well known and no one ever seen someone as Mj do those crazy moves he was doing but now in modern time everyone has caught up anyone with the athleticism ability can do what Mj did put him in the league now he won’t be as dominant as he was in the 90s because he wasn’t going against straight powerhouse teams and him without Dennis Rodman or Scottie pippen he wouldn’t have advanced as much he couldn’t carry a team on his own without one the best defensive player he had on his team stats even show without Scottie in his team he went down. But put lebron now dude has dominated teams even when he was in the cavs he didn’t have the best players but he showed he could carry a team to the finals and did now. And he’s still going at his old age showing how different he is from great players today that mj could’ve never done
Pretty Thorough discussion. Ultimately when it Boils down to it, Jordan's career wholistically is greater than Lebron's. He achieved much more in Less time/with Less help. Jordan = 🐐🏀
Jordan is the goat base on winning one championship with one team and he has the ability to destroy other teams in a tougher nba he only lost really against the magic due his layoff but lebron has all the respect the nba can give a person , his son came off heart surgery didn’t have a great college year but got drafted to play with his dad. It is tough because lebron still averages close to 25-30 pts a game n a lot of it is base on bully ball raw strength! All and all Jordan hurt a lot of superstar feelings!
MJ,, no debate. Longevity also increases all time turnovers, free throws missed and missed shots per game. Those are negative stats. Also playing 22 years and just 4 championships.
its about playing at such a high level for so long. Nobody has ever done it
LeBron hasn’t even surpassed Magic, or Kobe … why are we still entertaining this?
We all know Lebron is the G(oing) O(n) A(nother) T(eam).
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bars
Yep he’s known for team hopping lol
😂😂😂😂
Mj when it mattered the most
Ncaa championship -1-0
Olympic gold medals - 2-0
Fiba gold medals - 2-0
NBA Finals 6-0
Total 11-0
MJ all day🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐
All those are team accomplishments…
@@rocwilliams6347 With one common denominator
@@rocwilliams6347And it appears that LeBron needs an All Star team in order to have a chance & Dallas really exposed his a$$. Pathetic.
Mj is 1-9 in the playoffs without any help ….. lol lebron was making it to the finals with bums…
Mj at least made the playoff Lebron didnt so you point doesnt make sense
The only reason Bron has a better field goal percentage because 55% of his shots are close to the basket for most of his career.
hes a better 3 point shooter too
@@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824he’s shot way more stop it. The 3 wasn’t even popular in the 90,s unless you were glen rice Reggie miller fisher . Players wasn’t even allowed to shoot 3,s like that
@@williebender1895 you further prove my point. If you dont shoot the 3 a lot, you will only shoot it on good looks and open looks, Mj didnt even do that good
This is a stupid statement. Lebron shot more close shots and more 3pt shots, overall he’s more efficient, doesn’t mean he’s the goat. But he is in my opinion 😝
@@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824
no many of jordan 3s were clutch shots
they have the same % 33% so no point for lebren
Mj is the goat
I'm with you but I i think we are the minority
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1x no, we're the silent majority. And the media has heavily brainwashed them into thinking that way.
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1xno when ever there is a poll mj destroys lbj fan vote and it’s by a lot. Mj got 73 percent to lbj. All the polls by the fans it’s the media.
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1xsince when is you in the minority if you believe Mj is the goat? I never really see many saying Lebron is the goat? Maybe people do but from what i hear and see on every vote with Mj vs Lebron Mj always wins
MJ 90 porcent ofpeople thinks is MJ GOAT@@CourtsideChronicles-y1x
Lebron's playing style looks like of some robot's.
Whereas MJ's was captivating - resembling a dancer, a magician and all that jazz.
The greatest of all time can't be robotic. The dude was PLAYING as the g.o.a.t.
While LeBron CLAIMS to be the g.o.a.t. And that's what makes the difference. Hell of a difference.
Michael Jordan played 15 seasons with 2 half seasons
I guess he didn't do his homework. 🎯
And still won more
And still being chased by someone in their 23rd season
🎉For me a 55 year old from Cleveland say I suppose to go with LeBron but I'm old school so no doubt MJ is da goat
you just dont know ball unc
For me Michael Jordan is the GOAT, no one like him...
Agree 10 top scoring titles leading the NBA for MJ compared to LeBrons 1 . That,s saying something😮😮!!
Yup jordan for me still tho fo realz and it's exactly of what he was saying about Jordan's impact and stuff tho so yeah don't get me wrong I'd like to give it to lebron james since I watched him play and not jordan since I was actually too young tho still so yeah.
@@RS-ob1vr being the all time leading scorer is better than 10’scoring titles lol
@@rocwilliams6347 its not, its only tells that u played longer....
Nice try casual
@@ATAKA-Bro lebron had more points on less attempts lol try again
I ain't never seen Michael air ball a free throw before . . .
he also went 5/30 in the 3 point contest
1-9 w/o pippen
How Pippen do in Houston and Portland? I'll wait . . .
@@Dave-ug4cd lebron clears
The real Goat debate doesn't even include LeBron
@saamyaintfake because when you half ass on defense and take plays off you're not the best and don't even belong in the discussion
He has eliminated himself
Facts! 💯
@saamyaintfakeBecause you can’t erase 6 Finals losses with only 4 Finals wins. Especially when you are the leader of superteams (even if you face another superteam.)
Don’t be fooled, 40,000 points is amazing but it’s primarily due to longevity (more games played). In case you didn’t know Michael Jordan reached 30,000 points faster (fewer games) than LeBron and averaged more points per game than LeBron even to this day.
@saamyaintfake Jordan had over 30k and he played from 1984-2003 19 years but he was not in the league for 5 years so 14 years lebron has like 7 years more of play
Finally! Thank you! Now it doesn't diminish James 'talent and impact on the game but he's just not in the goat debate.
LeBron is not even close his game sucks
okay you might think MJ is the goat bc he is, but he’s one of the only comparable people to him. and it’s bold to say someone sucks knowing they would TOAST YOU in basketball 😭😭😭😭
You can’t suck if your in the NBA 🤷♂️
The GOAT 🐐 debate is OVER and LeBRONZE🥉🥉will NEVER be the GOAT. Here’s why.
1. 8 championship losses which includes his 2 on Team USA🥉🥉
2. He has a LOSING Finals record of 4-6 including 2 sweeps 🧹 🧹The greatest of all time can ❌NOT❌ be a guy that has LOST more than he’s WON. I mean what are we doing here. 🤷♂️
3. He’s NEVER won a championship without joining a SUPER TEAM.
4. He’s the all time leader in TURNOVERS. He even has more than John Stockton and John has 4,800 more assists.
5. He’s a career below average free throw shooter. 10 seasons he’s been below 75.0% including 5 seasons in the 60.0% range and he’s never shot 79.0% his whole career. His HIGHEST season percentage is lower than MJ’s🐐LOWEST.
6. He’s not a competitor. This is a guy that LOSES & RUNS. OK I LOST LET ME GO HERE. OK I LOST AGAIN LET ME GO HERE. OK I LOST AGAIN LET ME GO TO THE WEST NOW SO STEPH CAN STOP WINNING RINGS ON ME. 😂
7. Steph and the Warriors built a DYNASTY on his back. Lebron runs so much that he’ll never be part of a dynasty. SMH
8. He’s had more HELP than everybody in NBA history.
9. Let’s talk about toughness in big moments. JORDAN🐐scored 38 with flu like symptoms in game 5 of the 97 Finals. Meanwhile in game 1 of the 2014 Finals Lebron had to be carried off the court because the AC went out. I guess he’s never played ball in the park. 😂
10. He’s 6 misses away from passing Kobe to become the all time leader in MISSED SHOTS.
11. He FLOPS and his defense is not that good. Sometimes he doesn’t play defense at all. Sometimes he doesn’t even get back on defense.
12. I mentioned this is #1 but he’s also failed TWICE on Team USA bringing home 2 BRONZE Medals🥉🥉
13. He’s the only guy in the debate that took the SUPER TEAM route to success. So how can we even compare him to guys that had traditional careers. 🤷♂️
14. He’s praised for his longevity even though he uses, Cryotherapy, Normatech Leg Boots and spends time in a Hyperbaric Chamber. WHAT? Meanwhile he’s being compared to MJ🐐whose only method of treatment was icing his knees. 🤷♂️
15. He’s only played a full season ONCE. MJ🐐did it 9 times including his final season at 40 years old.
16. He’s possibly on PEDS 💉💉
17. He’s been outscored in the Finals 7 times. Dirk, Wade, Bosh, Jason Terry, Tony Parker and KD TWICE. MJ🐐was NEVER outscored in the Finals. I mean enough is enough. Nothing about what I just mentioned says the greatest player of all time. I mean he’s done some great things but what people don’t seem to realize is without SUPER TEAMS his career is nowhere close to where it is today. Check this timeline.
2003-10 Before Super Teams - 1 Finals appearance 🧹
2011-24 After Super Teams - 9 Finals appearances
See what I mean 🤷♂️ And along with all those deep post season runs came rings, records and stats that he wouldn’t have if he would’ve never left the Cavs the first time. I’ll give him 3, maybe 4 trips to the Finals at best.
Also here’s a list of some star players and how many BELOW AVERAGE free throw seasons they had. (under 75.0%)
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MJ🐐 - 0
Kobe - 0
Magic - 0
Bird - 0
Steph - 0
KD - 0
Kawhi - 0
Kyrie - 0
J Tatum - 0
N Jokic - 0
Harden - 0
Dame $ - 0
Lebron - 10
Plus LBJ had 5 seasons in the 60.0% range and he hasn’t shot 79.0% from the line in 21 seasons. There’s ❌NO WAY❌ anyone can tell me he’s the greatest player of all time when can barely go the line by himself and hit two shots. FACTS💯 Long story short, Lebron due to way too many negatives on his resume is disqualified from GOAT contention. 💯
THAANKK YOUUU FINALLY SOMEONE WITH FACTS!! I DONT EVEN KNOOWW WHY HE IS COMPARED TO JORDAN😂ITS A JOKE LIKE WTF! JORDAN?? BRO IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BE BETTER THAN KOBE LOL😂
He has more weaknesses, negative accolades, and records than ANY top 4 players in the top 10. I put him between 25-30. How can you be the WORST at something (turnovers, finals losses, most missed FT by a non center, biggest finals upset, biggest finals point diff, most missed FG which he will get this season) but be considered the best? makes no sense to me. not even top 10 among small forwards per game in ft%, fg%, 3pt%, steals, blocks, boards..but BIRD is.. i dont get it
@@peacekassa6638 he gaps both tbh
MJ all day...style, popularity, eye test, dunks...it ain't even close...real hoopers know
you dont know ball if your argument is syle and looking cool lmao
LeFraud's field goal % is higher due to more shots closer to the rim.
Exactly! I love how his super fans love leaving out that the majority of his shots are within 2 feet of the rim. Same reason Kareem held the record before him. These people annoy me.
Then that means Bron is a better efficient scorer!
Why take a difficult 2 pointer when you can get the same 2 points at the rim??
Jordan himself said he didn’t excel at shooting 3’s because he wanted to put pressure on the defense!
So why is it bad that LeBron puts pressure on the defense going down hill?
Kyrie looks better as a scorer compared to Shaq but we know Shaq is more dominant and efficient.
LeBron is a perimeter player going to the cup to score and is a more efficient 3 point shooter.
Advantage James!
@@Ace-fe8gc nice try. No, it means Bron isn’t a shooter, so naturally if you’re limited to lay up’s the likelihood of a higher FG% exists. You guys reason ridiculously.
@@OpinionStated I’m still waiting for your point. You say he’s not a shooter but he shoots better from 3 than Jordan so what does that make Jordan?
LeBron just finished a 41% from 3 shooting more volume of 3’s in a season than Jordan ever shot.
How do you explain your shooting comment and, if guys know LeBron isn’t a shooter and they play him for the drive because he isn’t a ‘shooter’ then how does he keep scoring at the paint?
@@Ace-fe8gc you answered your own question. By volume because of todays style of play in the NBA, Joel Embiid & Jokic shoot more than Jordan did 😂🤣 That doesn’t make them shooters. And how convenient of you to cherry pick Bron’s best statistical year from three. He’s still not a shooter, meaning the mass of his shots come within 2 ft of the basket - pretty simple. Steph Curry; Klay Thompson; Kevin Durant; Devin Booker; Luka Doncic etc are shooters my friend. Yes, Bron can FINALLY shoot better than his early career, but there’s no consistency in terms of balanced shots from different ranges on the court. Impossible to misunderstand or to argue.
Oh, and please tell me you understand that a layup is within two feet of the rim?🙏🏾🤣
To me lebron isn’t top 5 he had 2 statistical titles and that’s it. That matters. Longevity is good and all but he accomplished way less in double the time compared to too many players.
Delete your account 😂😂😂
@@rocwilliams6347 he’s not better than Kareem, not better than Magic, not better wilt, not better than MJ, not better than Hakeem. All these players have more statistical titles. Only one that don’t win as much as him was Hakeem and he won 2 titles with less help than lebrons titles and Hakeem can arguably be called the greatest defender in history. How can you be the goat when you were never really the best at anything. He did less when he spent half his career in one of the worst conferences in NBa history.
@@Getdown8319 why is lebron the only person not allowed to have teammates , all the people you named had legendary teammates except for wilt who played 8 teams lol
@@Getdown8319 lebron is number 1 overall in points and top 5 assist but he’s not the best at anything righttt lol
@@rocwilliams6347 ya he’s not the best at anything he played forever that’s cumulative stats. Robert parish has more points that Larry bird. He’s a better scorer. It’s funny because cumulative stats didn’t matter until lebron came around.
MJ is the goat
6 finals losses is unstoppable uh
Not Forgetting the 3 SWEEPS, yea man he's TOTALLY UNSTOPPABLE 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This world crazy we grown adults debating someone with 6 rings who never lost. To somebody winning 4 rings and keep losing. Grown ups need to go back to school. 4 will never be greater than 6. So why are we debating this
I jus don’t understand how LBJ drop
In man not too 10 in my eyes
3 GIVEN RINGS AND A FAKE MICKEY MOUSE TROPHY IN 21 YEARS... SHAME
so bill russel is your goat then?
I mean bill Russell have more rings than Jordan, so he should be your GOAT then right?😂
Who told you Micheal Jordan never lost?He played in the NBA for 15 seasons and won 6 times which means he lost and was thoroughly beaten 9 times.Do you have a problem with mathematics?😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jordan the GOAT. I have never seen anyone do what he did on court multiple times over & over again. Dude was an alien.
Agreed, I'm still in awe of his performances all these years later...
It’s awesome what he did but what Lebron did & is STILL doing at 22 years in & just all the legends he’s dominated & beat on his resume at or around his position that’s alien like to me it’s so much talent in the league past 2 decades & Lebron isn’t miles ahead of anyone like mj was but if u look at head to head vs his rivals he’s always dominating them as if he has a clear talent advantage
@@mytruthismoreusefulJokic is Lebron’s dad
@@tyresejones3535 nope beat jokic in 2020
Although I appreciate your positive views and arguments for both players, the unfortunate part. When talking about 2 players who are close in terms of accolades and records you then have to look at failures to break any ties. Lebrons Mavs series was an epic failure on a personal performance, MJ never had a series where he collapsed like that.
Jordan was choking in the 4th quarter of the finals too. The media tries to hide it tho
@@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824 umm, if you win and you are the finals mvp it isn’t considered a choke. Sorry bro
@@JayDay32 he was shooting worse statistically than lebron was in 2011 lol
@@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824 that is because he actually shot and tried to lift his team. Lebron went away from the ball and just stopped playing he was so bad
@@JayDay32 jordan averaging 20 on 41/19/79 chucker of shots and only scoring 20 is crazy lmao. Lebron on the other had averaging 26 points on 54/41/75. One is a one trick pony inefficient shot chucker with no spacing, the other is the best all around play oat
There's no debate... Not even close.
One did it. One is manufactured.
I didn't say who but everyone reading this knows who I consider the GOAT.
Isn't that saying something? 😂
We all know...
we all know because of the way you are talking and the bs that is coming out of your mouth, only mj fans are that ignorant 😂
GOATS don't choke...MJ didn't Lebron has on many occasions...MJ had no weaknesses in his game...Lebron still does after 22 years in the league..still can't shoot Free throws.. and in 22 years 7 more than MJ he still doesnt have the individual accolades MJ does....he can only keep playing padding stats in a league where defense doesn't exist and offense is easier across the board...I have watched both of them from their rookie season throughout their careers and at no time was Lebron better than MJ with only one exception...LONGEVITY...and if that mattered Kareem would have been in the GOAT conversation a long time ago....defense matters and Lebron isn't in MJs category on D...TOs matter and Lebron has always made a lot more of them...Lebron is the second greatest player to ever play the game and that is incredible...but he is not the best to do it....Just imagine if MJ and his talent in todays game were the one chasing stats knowing what he had to do to be the GOAT..he would literally avg 40 plus points a game in this NBA with the defensive rules as they are in a league averaging 15 more points a game than the Jordan years...THIS SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A DEBATE....MJ was so much more dominant and skilled in his era by comparison to Lebron...there was no question really who was the best player in the league for all of MJs bulls years or how underrated he was in his Wizards years...he alone took a 29th rank defense to 14th rank in a half year before getting injured....Defense matters
SPEAK LOUD SPEAK CLEAR & SPEAK LONG SO THEY CAN BOTH HEAR & UNDERSTAND YOU BRO ..... PURE FACTS. LECHOKE has never LEAD the league in STEALS but he LEADS the League in TURNOVERS & LECHOKE is on NO LEVEL CLOSE TO MJ DEFENSIVELY.
Mj never touched the finals without pippen also weak era no real comp he faced. Harden would solo the bulls team.
@@xJTKx Yes you're Correct abt MJ not making it to the Finals without Scottie and hey SO WHT isn't it a TEAM SPORT bcse as far as I kno ALMOST DOESN'T COUNT. Y'all wnt y'alls LOSER KING to be so HIGH tht y'alls actually count Missed Shots lololololol. Imagine going to the line to Shoot 2 Free Throws, shoots and misses both but yet y'alls still count the 2 MISSED SHOTS AS MADE SHOTS lolololol thts how DUMB y'alls are lolololol Yow Making it to the NBA FINALS goes down as a Stat a reminder in history of who the WINNING TEAM BEAT tht Yr or who LOST bcse the other team won, so in other wrds tht team was the LOSING team and NO MATTER how good they played they STILL LOST and will ALWAYS be REMEMBERED AS LOSERS tht Yr and wht ever Yr they LOST after lolololol so hey keep y'alls argument abt MJ not making without Scottie okay but remember to always take his 6 FINALS LOSSES which contains 2 SWEEPS, the fct tht he played with MULTIPLE SUPERSTARS and cud only come up with 4 wins out of 10 tries, the several times he CHOKED, the amount of times he wlkd off the court leaving his Teammates Hanging while the game was still in Progress bcse he's a COWARD, oh lawd you cnt ever forget tht he told y'alls his Fans to go bck to y'alls miserable poor lives lololol, the fct tht he FLOPS, CARRIES TRAVELS, COMPLAINS CONSTANTLY MAKES EXCUSES, and is ALWAYS QUICK TO BLAME EVERYONE ELSE EXCEPT HIMSELF but hey then again y'alls will always accept these things bcse y'alls no nothing abt bball and y'all are more than likely just like him lololololol.
@@xJTKx sure buddy
Wasn't MJ getting his ass beat from both Larry bird and Isaiah Thomas in the 80s, and he was also an MVP those times
Jordan is the goat. LeBron is not in the top 10
There is no debate dude . Jordan was the best period.
after lebron
Lebron unstoppable force? lol
Tell that to little Jason Terry.
thats a team effort dont be stupid
@@Graveyardshift0522no it wasn’t Jason terry outscored Lebron in the nba finals imagine a so called goat getting out scored by a bench player bwahahaahhahaqha
Jordan is the goat!!!!
Beautiful 👏🏾 👏🏾 This is how you do a GOAT debate! ✨✨✨
He came into the league w his number and his shoes. Today he still has his number and still had him on his jersey. It was never close.
Lebron not even top 5 !
straight up wrong.
Not even top 10
You failed to add Jordan was a better defender with DPOY award and better on steals and blocks but alright guess defense doesn’t matter when it comes to stats
lebron is the better defender peak
As someone who watched both MJ and LBJ, there is no comparison. This is a manufactured debate to get ratings. As great as LBJ is, he is nowhere near MJs level. Even Cleveland gave MJ the loudest standing ovation at the allstar top 75 celebration.
we dont care LBJ is a GOAT
@Breakingthesilence0522 goat mean Greatest of all Time. That means there can only be one. LBJ is not it. But if you mean LBJ is an all-time great, absolutely. It's been a privilege watching LBJs entire career.
@@Viper83 unc you dont know ball respectfully
@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824 no, anyone that has LBJ in the top 5 don't know ball. The fact that LBJ had to form superteams in order to win should tell you he doesn't belong in the conversation. The fact that all the people in the media that has LBJ in the goat conversation are getting paid by klutch sports should tell you LBJ doesn't belong.
@@Viper83 as a player, he is top 2 and hes not 2. You are just lying to yourself unc
LeBron James Biggest Mistake Was Wearing Michael Jordan #23 Jersey When he Should have Started out Wearing his own Identify Jersey Number." So on that he Can't never pass Michael Jordan..Kobe Bryan didn't Wear Michael Jordan #23 Kobe Bryan #24 and #8 Bad Decision LeBron James 🤔."
LeBalco James!!! Balco king of the Los Angeles Lebrons!!!
I’m not sure I agree with a strength for Lebron being adaptability. Everywhere he goes the team has to adapt to his play style not the other way around. And this video never even mentioned anything about defense.
brons a better defender anyway in his peak
Iv'e seen the last three eras of modern day basketball (including the Kobe era) , and It's MJ without question. He was like a bolt of lightning that came out of nowhere and attacked his opponents with a nightmarish speed and stealth no one had ever seen before. It was unreal, inspiring and hilarious watching him turn the sport on it's head at the time. Watching him mature and evolve over the years was amazing. LBJ is a great player no doubt, truly spectacular but it's MJ for me as far as the GOAT.
1. LBJ
2. MJ
@@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824get meds
Beautiful 👏🏾 👏🏾 This is how you do a GOAT debate 🐐! ✨✨✨
There is no debate longetivity accumulative to consistent competitive tough man era with real basketball wins yes there was politics back then but the intergrity
Mj is my goat. I don't have an issue if others believe lebron... i don't blame him for losing to the Durant warriors. I think those 2 loses in. Miami killed his legacy. And that bubble chip...
lebron is a no-show when it matters. that's also a fact.😊
its also a fact you dont watch the nba 🤗
Jordan was a once in a lifetime player. He had that fire in him, an almost psychopathic will to win, and had the talent to achieve that victory. Those big hands of his helped too, MJ could move that ball everywhere, and the jumping ability he had was crazy especially in the 80s
MJ just takes all shots all say that but LJ 11K asists that means more complete player
When MJ was asked to actually play point guard for a stretch with the bulls his averages were better than Lebron on points assists and rebounds...MJ is still the only player not Magic to average over 11 assists in an NBA finals...he is a complete player was just never asked to be the facilitator...even so he still avg over 5 assists and 6 rebounds per game for his career while having more steals and BLOCKS per game than Lebron
@@derrickhyman6614 11k is the reality not just a story mj was one of the greatest but not the most...lebron is the king
@@solitarium-el5el Turnover King you mean.
4-6 NBA Finals is no king. LeBum was 53 seconds away from 2-8, if not for series-saving shots by Kyrie and Ray Allen. LeBum is 0-7 on game winners in NBA Finals. Jordan 6-0, 4-8 on game winners. No bench playing bums like Jason Terry ever outplayed Jordan in any playoff series, unlike LeBum who collapsed in the 2011 Finals. No King kiddo.
@@bwink23 so if the titles means much for you bill russell have 11 titles in 13 seasons
who is the mj? russell is the goat
@@solitarium-el5el Jordan is by far the best combination of all criteria. THE BEST
james gooooat
MJ played basketball, meanwhile Leflop’s playing byllyball. It’s mind boggling that the new generation couldn’t see how many times Leflop committed offensive fouls and travels. My 14 years old son can see the different between the two
you are brainwashing your children thats why
After 20 years he should have more hardware
Let's stop this goat debate. MJ was the absolute best in his era. James on the other hand wasn't the best throughout his era. Curry, Durant,Westbrook,Melo,and a few others had seasons where they were the best. Period.
shows the competition. Also Lebron was best in the nba for like 8-10 seasons while jordan was not. Hakeem was even better than him some years
This isn’t even a debate. I’m old enough to have seen both. Jordan isn’t just the best basketball player I’ve seen, he’s the best athlete at any sport I’ve ever seen.
MJ and it’s not close!
It’s funny, when you watch the highlight reel, it’s mostly MJ in the finals or playoffs where he dominated making clutch play after play, whereas Lebron’s highlights are just regular season because he didn’t make an impact in the finals, really! That’s saying something!
How does one define whos the GOAT base on era or rings, because there's a few more players who had more championship with just one team Duncan and Bryan something to add to this debate if you know what i mean 😊
LeBron vs Mike is a ridiculous . LeBron not top 10. Not 😅 even the best small forward.
Lebrons ahots concentrated near the rim.. MJ dominated the midrange game
Do people even watch lebron play? He has the ball in his hands all game of course his numbers will be juiced mj played off the ball something lebron cant do..
brons better off ball and jordan takes more shots a game so what?
You got a new sub, even though my goat is LeBron James. One day you’ll be insanely popular
I really appreciate that, thank you for your support 🙏🏽
Can't really make a serious argument for anyone who played most of their career in the East. Kobe went against Duncan, T-Mac and more, and was still the greatest of his era. Wilt Chamberlain owns more records than anyone probably ever will. Kareem was a phenom, and Magic had to battle Bird. Other than MJ, the only East player in the conversation should be Larry Legend.
Theres that player who was in the first team defense,season mvp, finals mvp, and scoring title.. this was done only four times.. this player is 1. Jordan, 2. Jordan, 3. JORDAN, 4.Jordan
Michael Jordan is the only player in NBA history to win MVP, a scoring title, first team all-defensive player, a championship and a finals MVP all in one season. Jordan did this 4 times.
Michael Jordan is also the only player to win a scoring title and defensive player award in the same season. Jordan did this 6 times.
In 13 years, Jordan won 11 championships: 6 NBA championships, 2 Fiba championships, 2 Olympic championships, and 1 NCAA championship.
Michael Jordan doesn’t have to compete with LeBron when it’s known it’s a given Michael Jordan is the only GOAT in the professional basketball league. FACT.
The photographic memory he had had had had no effect on how well he did on his chemistry midterm
If winning his 3rd gold puts Lebron over MJ, then KD winning his 4th gold cements him over Lebron
Do you think Olympic gold doesn't matter as much?
@@CourtsideChronicles-y1x helllll yeah, im tennis player from monte carlo bro. one olympics medal s a dream for every athlete in this planet
Respect bro!!
Then that puts mj at 3rd?.. sheesh
@@Keepit_100 in olympics ther s only one goat usa mens bball 4/4
This debate is simple: MJ stayed, worked hard, and helped his team develop. On the other hand, LBJ left and switched teams too many times, abandoning ship to save himself while leaving his crew behind. Imagine having a captain who abandons their ship and crew. People who choose LBJ over MJ are like fools who are willing to be a sacrificial pawn.
Lebron is my goat
I’ve read the comments on a ton of Mj vs LeBron videos and the comments are virtually all saying MJ is the goat. Im starting to think the only reason people think it’s even a debate is because the media is trying to drive ratings when in actuality everyone knows MJ is the goat.
This is not even a debate. We all know it’s Michael Jordan now if you would’ve put Kobe Bryant versus Michael Jordan on the goat debates, then we got a real discussion here
Nikola Jokic is new GOAT. Period.
Hell nah
The Greatest of All Time:
#1 - Stockpiled accolades, awards & trophies - especially more than his peers.
#2 - Accomplished more historical feats, in less time than ANYONE ever!
#3 - Won more championships than his peers & established a standard of excellence for others to aspire.
😕During LeBron’s Career:
#1 - Nikola Jokic has one fewer MVP than him & will likely tie him in the coming season.
#2 - the only thing he’s done more of is Finals MVP (4) & score 40k, but it’s taken him 20+ seasons to do so.
#3 - Steph Curry has equal championships in less time. And, many other players have won their fair share of title pie. How nice of him to be so giving.
🤩During MJ’s Career:
#1 - ✔️
#2 - ✔️
#3 - ✔️
There is NOTHING that LeBron can do, that MJ couldn’t do better. The assist myth needs to end. Research his early seasons prior to the 90’s when they had him running PG. You’re welcome.
I saw both of these players’ entire career. Michael Jordan was unstoppable. Lebron is still unstoppable as a senior citizen. Don’t make me choose!
This narrative is trash tbh. Your reasoning on James hopping and adapting to other teams is false. He literally changes teams to his liking. Assists before was you pass then the guy shoots. Nowadays, assists is you pass the ball, the guy dribbles 20 times, creates his own shot, still called an assist. 😅
Shaq said james didn't play in the touxh era. He respects the points
This is a product of Le media, it’s just not debatable. The mind, will and skills all favor MJ all the way. So please stop!!! Lebron doesn’t even belong in the top ten, Le media are only hyping him up. Lebron doesn’t even be compared with Magic, Bird, Kobe, Jabbbar and all the greats of the game.
You had me until the 4th chapter. It's older people holding onto the "legend" of Mike. Younger kids are more enamored with Curry than Mike. Without Nike, David Stern changing rules to favor MJ to feature dunking, and the aging of Kareem, Magic, Isaiah and Bird, Mike wouldn't be considered near as good.
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Some corrections for this vid: MJ played 15 seasons, not 13 (although the last 2 with the Wizards have nothing to do with his GOAT case - we all know his GOAT case is based strictly on his Bulls career, so saying 13 is understandable. Still, 15 is the actual number). Also, it says Lebron has been to 20 straight playoffs. This isn't true. He's missed the playoffs a few times. He's been to 18 playoffs total, and not all in a row.
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@@nomorels7901 how
MJ is by far the goat. I don't even have lebron in my top 5.
then you just dont know ball
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You don't know ball
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MJ is by far the goat 🐐
@@MALLYGEEZ1 saying idk ball when you have lebron outside the top 5 🤡🤡
As you should.
I just watched a new highlight reel of Lebron! He is now my personal G.O.A.T.
Its Pretty Good But its better when you added the advance stats
Thank you for the feedback, I'll make sure to keep that in mind for future videos!
I hate when they compare statistics, and don't point out the fact that MJ played college ball and won a national championship. And LeBron Came straight out of high school. MJ also retired for two years to play major league baseball. And LeBron played longer in the NBA. Of course he's going to have better stats. But explain the reason why????
I've seen both and for me personally it's Lebron. I've never seen a guy be an elite player with no drop off for 20+ years. Its insane what lebron is doing. Players usually lose some ability as they get older, their impact diminishes and their role on the team shrinks. He's still has expection to carry a team to the playoffs and win a championship and that's crazy. No player at this stage of their career has had this burden.
It’s not about stats or legacy.. it’s as simple as who would you pick first building a team..
I'm sorry, my guy but there are so many flaws in your arguments that it makes it difficult to ignore. LBJ is a great player and he's earned his seat at the GOAT table. But we all know who's seated at the head of the table.
lbj?
In my honest opinion once LeBron does retire I highly doubt he has a farewell tour. If he does then he’s super bold because I can guarantee he’s going to get boo’d in every arena besides maybe Cleveland.. and I know for a fact he’s going to get boo’d in LA there’s no way the Lakers organization retire his jersey.. I can’t wait to sit back to watch when this day comes and he’s out the league for good.
i still dont understand how a guy who is 4-6 in the finals bypasses anyone in the top 10. he the only one with a negative finals record on the list and thats the most important series in the playoffs
its because hes the greatest individual player ever
@@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824 😂
@@Dewaine bro laughing like its false?
@@dr.creedsonsfoundations2824 I’ll let you stay in your delusion
@@Dewaine unc scared to debate
MJ this best player of all Time😊
Jordan. That’s the only reason I need
Mj has the style and grace when he moves and play in the court also charisma mj was make the world crazy about basketball
lebron james GOAT
In MJ's 6 finals appearance's Scottie Pippin actually actually led Jordan in steals, rebounds, and assists. Does that mean Pippin was better than MJ? What case can you possibly make that supports that idea? They were just simply two different players with different jobs. Here's another quick example, Larry Bird was a better all around shooter than MJ, better rebounder and passer, does that mean he was better? Jordan was a one on one player and did what he had to do to win, and he was the best at it! MJ's the GOAT, there's no debate!!!
MJ goat, Zero debate. No repeat the same stupid some guys in Media. MJ goat 21 year too pass in Numbers
"Lenron was a beast on the Boards:"
What? 8 rebounds = a beast??
You lost me. Lebron gets his rebounds because he is 6 foot 8 and a power forward. I would call him "adequate" at best. His rebounds are incidental.
mj is the goat with a fg% under .500.. also the disrespect for the monster with bulls #33 jersey in is amazing
Lebalco is the greatest when it comes to steroid management. He will be surpassing Lance Armstrong's greatness soon enough and after his retirement when the truth eventually comes out he will get his due flowers.
Meanwhile in the basketball world, Jordan has proven to be the overall greatest basketball player of any era period with lot's of close 2nd place players for sure. Lebalco disqualifies himself from 2nd place discussion for obvious reasons.
In this comparison people keep glossing over MJ's defense as if he was only a one trick pony. He had many weapons when he needed it. Going to the dance 10 times and loosing more times than you won isn't nearly as impressive as someone winning every time they have gone to the dance. Perfect will always be more impressive than imperfect. Lebron is the only player for some reason in the Goat debate with a loosing record. That's not nostalgia that's just facts. Something you can't say about Bird, Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Bill Russell or Kobe. Secondly he didn't dominate his so called era. His era is also Steph Curry's era as well. And Curry won as many Championships than Lebron. Hell Curry has a winning record. And the way he won matters. After Cleveland, playing with all these all-star's and HOF players should offset the whole he had more competition mess. Besides Jordan only played with 1 HOF player on his first 3 championships and than 2 on his second with and older Dennis Rodman and Scotty ON ONE TEAM. I BELIEVE THAT IS WAY HARDER TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ADJUST YOUR GAME TO STILL WIN. BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST CHOOSE WHO YOU ARE PLAYING WITH, THATS WAY TOO EASY. YOU CAN'T JUST JUMP SHIP BECAUSE YOUR TEAM IS DOING BADLY. ADJUST! JORDAN DID WAY MORE WITH LESS. HE HAD A BUNCH OF ROLE PLAYERS AND ONE HOF PLAYER WHEN HE STARTED WINNING. And Loyalty should be an attribute in it self. Playing for one city and one team should be valued more than someone playing for their selves and their brand. But Lebron has had dozens of Allstar and HOF talent to help him win and sometimes carrying him to victory where he would get all the praise. That's why no one of status would play for the Lakers this year. All I'm saying is the path to "VICTORY" matters. Buying your own media company "Clutch Sports" to change the narrative and capture the hearts and minds of people is manipulation. Just to put you in the Goat debate to surround you with yes men as you crown yourself the Goat is dishonorable. The way he has manipulated the NBA playing with all his Allstar HOF friends. He even got his son in the NBA on a guaranteed multi million dollar contract with propaganda. Knowing he's not on the same level as the NBA players he said he was better than. He's made things a spectacle and mockery. Thank God for the collective bargaining agreement! Because people are finally catching on. He won't be able to just match up with his super friends to win chips. As well I noticed that you stated that Lebron was a "better" rebounder and "better" passer. But Jordan Proved that he could do both well when Doug Collins moved him to point guard he averaged and triple double. A streak of 10 Triple Doubles in 11 games and a 47 points 11 rebounds and 13 assist masterpiece. You didn't say what Jordan did better than Lebron except for mid range shooting. You didn't mention LeBron's poor free-throw shooting to Jordan's near impeccable 83% free-throw. You said he had a higher field goal percentage but that's not in context. Generally centers, powerfoward and forwards have a higher percentage than guards and rebounds. But Jordan ranks 3rd all-time in steals number 1 in blocks and 3rd all-time in rebounding for guards. That would be in correct context. Because Tyson Chandler has a better FG percentage than Jordan. Is he a better player no. Because by position he closer to the basket for higher percentage shots especially if you dunk all the time. Also, that he has 3 steals titles and a Defensive player of the year and scoring title in the same year. Matter of fact 10 scoring tittles. So he still would have been a better scorer and defensive player than Lebron. Be fair in your comparisons because that was a slight and bias disguised as objectivity. It wasn't. Winning matters when you want to put someone in the Goat debate. Lebron isn't no where nearly as Dominant or influential as Jordan is. Even still today 3o years later we are still talking about him. And Lebron has to still play because he's still chasing Jordan. He is just getting to Jordan's record of 30 point games only because of Longevity. But like Barkley said "he played 8 more seasons and he's still behind Jordan?" " I don't want to hear anymore about this Goat Debate!" He's right.. most of the world myself included doesn't think that it's a real debate. Not many people are believers in the whole Lebron GOAT propaganda and narrative. Not many players are even close to Jordan in that conversation. Especially not Lebron. It's them changing the Narrative with Mr. Le GM propaganda to put him into the GOAT debate. It worked on the simple minded and those who don't pay attention to detail and facts.
MJ is the real goat there will never be another player like MJ. 🐐👑🏀
Mj is the GOAT at his time because the game wasn’t so well known and no one ever seen someone as Mj do those crazy moves he was doing but now in modern time everyone has caught up anyone with the athleticism ability can do what Mj did put him in the league now he won’t be as dominant as he was in the 90s because he wasn’t going against straight powerhouse teams and him without Dennis Rodman or Scottie pippen he wouldn’t have advanced as much he couldn’t carry a team on his own without one the best defensive player he had on his team stats even show without Scottie in his team he went down. But put lebron now dude has dominated teams even when he was in the cavs he didn’t have the best players but he showed he could carry a team to the finals and did now. And he’s still going at his old age showing how different he is from great players today that mj could’ve never done
Mj is the true goat 6 rings in the era of the 90s alone. True Goat
Pretty Thorough discussion.
Ultimately when it Boils down to it, Jordan's career wholistically is greater than Lebron's. He achieved much more in Less time/with Less help.
Jordan = 🐐🏀
Jordan is the goat base on winning one championship with one team and he has the ability to destroy other teams in a tougher nba he only lost really against the magic due his layoff but lebron has all the respect the nba can give a person , his son came off heart surgery didn’t have a great college year but got drafted to play with his dad. It is tough because lebron still averages close to 25-30 pts a game n a lot of it is base on bully ball raw strength! All and all Jordan hurt a lot of superstar feelings!
LeBron is my goat but this video was 🔥
I respect it! I apreciate the support 🙏🏽
Lebron is my goat too