Big Or Smaller Boat, What Should We Choose? - Ep. 175:2 RAN Sailing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 พ.ย. 2019
- A road trip to the island of Orust! This is the epicenter for yacht building in Sweden and we take a look at two very different boats, a Forgus 52 and a Najad 391. This is part 2!
Pictures from najad.se
We are a Swedish couple who wanted a different kind of life. So we moved aboard our sailboat Ran, a custom built Beason 40 in aluminium and untied the lines in the middle of the Swedish winter in January 2016. There is no set route and we will go where the wind and our minds take us.
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16:47 Change In Time (Instrumental Version) - Johan Glossner
Love,
Malin & Johan
85,000 subscribers, lets each give these kids $10, which is nothing to us, everything to them. They buy the boat of their dreams and they continue inspiring us along the way?? Sounds so simple. I'll start by visiting their patreon account.
Let's do it!
Did anyone else see that Johan was rooting for a fixer upper.. he loves to make it his own😁
One thing for sure, you have to love the Swedish craftsmanship. The Najad owner is fanatical in keeping his boat like new.
Both boats are beautiful, but neither seemed practical for your needs.
Thank you for letting us vicariously boat shop with you! I can’t wait for the next episode!
The 39 footer has my vote. The shape it is in might be more cost saving then getting a cheaper one would be. The "board meeting" is another great presentation of how we should be as married couples. Looking forward to viewing others and the final decision.
Consider to look for boats in Greece, there they are much cheaper than in the north and you get the same brands. there are stored thousands of boats just on the ionian side, I think about 10% are available.
Mooi dat overleg, gesprek, en jullie overwegingen. Thx. for sharing: your talk, and considering moments afterwards.
The Najad 391 is my dream boat. If I were there, I'd buy it in a New York minute.
My favorite was the Najad. I love hearing the Swedish being spoken. Thanks for the subtitles. :)
It was fun to hear you work through a difference of opinion on the importance of condition. Great video.
Jag tycker om de talar svenska :-) .. somevenglish terms I have to translate as well .. upholstery .. Klädsel .. bekleding. Förlåt.
The same boat, same condition, same price, only in 15 meters---- perfect. Be patient, she’s out there waiting on you to discover her. All the best. You two make “ the best “ couple I’ve seen in years. I’m sure your baby will be gorgeous. 👍
Thank you for sharing this, I enjoyed it a LOT! S/Y Malin is a beautiful and truly fantastic boat and the owners gem. I would know, he named it after his daughter which is me. :)
Haha! That’s so cool! 😂 It’s a small world. Very nice boat indeed and name 😉. Cheers!
Sweet! And it is a beautiful boat.
That is so cool, she is a fantastic boat!
Timing is everything! You will find that perfect vessel!!
We just went through the same sort of search on our trip from Canada to the Bahamas and back again. We realized early on that our 32 footer was too small. We settled on a Bristol 41.1. I would encourage you to have a look at these boats. At 41, 43 and 47 feet there will be a size and layout to suit you. We did look at Swedish built boats like Najad and Hallberg Rassy. We decided not to pursue these boats because the headroom was too low in all the ones we viewed. The Bristols have very good headroom throughout and all have the flexibility of a centerboard. You can see the boat we bought on our TH-cam channel. Whatever you decide on, remember that the search is the fun part. We hope you enjoy your journey. Chris and Debbie.
This is great. Really interested in learning more about the lineup of affordable Swedish yachts.
Greetings from Seattle. I agree 100% with your findings even before watching the end. IMO something in-between those two size wise (42'-48'). The 39' had beautiful finish work and attention to detail but agree, too small for what your plans are. Be patient, keep looking, you will find the right one, you have some time with the baby coming & all that comes with it. When it's the right one, you will know the feeling. Exciting times ahead, the baby will provide you will more happiness than you can ever imagine. Good hunting!
The split bed, nope.
I do watch sailing videos since many years. From all the interiors i have seen, the layout of SV Delos seems to be the best, also the cockpit.
I agree, but those are like hens teeth to find... Now if you had upward of 600K to play with you can definitely find one...
Good conditions Super Maramu from the nineneties can be found for less than 200 000€, slightly over their budget! But they are the safest boats, with the steering well protected.
Amel Super Maramu, perfect!
13:58 "Najad 441 would have been perfect" congrats Malin & Johan on finding Ran 2~!! =D so happy for you guys
You will find the right boat. Keep talking about it and describing what you want. Keep looking. It is yours already. 😊👍⛵️⚓️
I appreciate the maturity of your conversation and the discernment process generally. It is clear that the choice process is complex given the many factors at play. Such a relaxed and ultimately humble and sincere presentation. A most interesting process. Thank you for sharing it so openly.
Najad was in awesome condition! Great boat at a great price!
Love the name - indeed definitely a “sign”, love the engine room. So well looked after and great condition . Must be tempting even only at 39’ but early days in your search.
I fell in love by first look at the forgus 52, well, needs little bit nodernising.
The Najd was hands down the winner. The other boat was way too claustrophobic.
It's really impressive to see how much more attention to detail there is in the Swedish built boats. The joinery and woodwork was stunning in both boats. I understand clearly now why you've directed your search there. Keep at it! Best of luck...
Like youve said theres alot of boat builders and places to see there. Dont be in a hurry take your time and find the boat thats just right for your family. I liked the Malin it just seemed the most comfy so far. Y'all be safe
For what it's worth, I'm really enjoying coming along on this boat shopping journey with you! Thanks for sharing.
I think both had there pro's & con's, but as you both agreed to, to small. It is so nice to watch 2 people, that work as one, you can see the love & the soul mates you are.
Cheers Swany
I am not a sailor but I am thinking go bigger as when your baby gets bigger and more mobile you will need so much more space than you can imagine at this stage. The stuff you need for little ones is vast. Why sell your old boat for one similar in size? You would have been better keeping Ran surely. Hoping you find the perfect home soon so you can be settled once your baby arrives. I am thoroughly enjoying seeing the boats, I love seeing the different layouts. Thanks for bringing us along. Xx
I have my self a Najad, very happy with my boat, can recommend!
Joining the thread late having just binge watched and enjoyed many of the recent episodes. Worthy of a look IMHO are the Nauticat yachts (Finland origin). Very high quality (no balsa core), Selden masts, heavy layup, full size aft cabin, etc. You my consider the added safety of an enclosed pilot house a plus for the baby along with the benefits of an aft exterior helm for traditional sailing fun.
Good luck regardless. Just subscribed and will be following.
I have looked at a Nauticat 44, and I must say that is a very spacious and practical boat. Also the quality is top! Good for liveaboard. But I think that these guys are more into the "true" Sailboat design, which has better "real" sailing performance - especially upwind / lower windspeed. The motorsailer is a compromise. But the Nauticat 44 might be one of the best of the Nauticat motorsailer models, thanks to the higher sail area vs displacement factor. The 44 has a nice big pilothouse/deck salon, and has full headroom (+ free air on top) for a 1.90 mtr tall guy.
But with low breeze 50 deg upwind, you will need to motorsail with the Nauticat motorsailer, where many true sailboats will go on just sails.
I understand your pride in Sweden's ship building history and I agree you should be proud. However, have you considered an Amel. Wonderful access for maintenance and fairly well protected sailing position. The watertight compartments might come in handy also.
Amel’s are pricey and they hold their value
Interior layout not the best out there..
There are other boats that don't resemble busses..
Sorry..
Some years ago in Scotland we chartered a Jeanneau Trinidad 48. In all the years and all the boats we’ve chartered all over the place since, I’ve rarely seen better boats. We loved the large pilothouse saloon with the galley up at that level also and three cabins with a fourth adequate for kids or crew. Cutter rigged, it sailed like a dream, especially upwind. Occasionally on the market, usually for €100’000 or less. The only thing that would stack up would be a similarly sized centre cockpit boat with a galley in one of the tunnels beside the underside of the cockpit.
So impressed with how thorough you are. The first boat was really cramped. Especially the galley.
Even though I couldn't understand you, it was lovely hearing you speek in your language it has a beautiful song to it 😊
You are correct, what a change in layout and design can make comparing two boats or houses given the same space. But the Najad was a beautiful boat a very nice condition........Good luck!!!!
Look int a southerly 49 or even one of the 480’s. They have retractable keels and they seem to fit your style of cruising quite well. The southerly’s also have an enclosed cockpit if you want.
We recently bought Najad 391 Intrepid Bear (search on TH-cam for her sales video) We love her, slightly different aft cabin than the one you looked at. One fabulous feature is that I can get a great view from my bunk due to the hull portlights. I understand you probably want to go a little bigger but if you’d like to sail a Najad you’d be welcome to pop across to the U.K. to sail with us. Good luck in your search.....
We looked at Intrepid Bear, sitting beside a Najad 400. We went for the 400. The slight increase in length makes a huge different... probably addressing RAN's issue with the bed in the back. I.e. The 400's can take one big mattress and one small. Also, there's a space ahead of the bed allowing you infill the little cut-out between the beds.... one giant bed!!
A big pro for us...We sailed a lot of aft cockpit wide and narrow transoms. The CC Najad is a world of difference in sea-kindlyness.
Another plus with a Najad of the right age.... The deck is foam (not balsa) cored. It doesn't swell when it gets wet.... so if Johan can turn his hand to a bit of teakolgy you can get an absolute bargain.
Informative show. Keep looking and find what boat is best for you.
The 3 you've shown are all impressive. If I was to pick a favorite, #2, so far. Can't wait to see what you uncover in your search.
For the new boat: if you liked the najad you should also look at the designs by van de Stadt and Koopmans. For example the van de stadt 44 design with the center cockpit or the Koopmans 46. Maybe not all the glamour and beauty of the Najad but designed with emphasis on seaworthiness and pracrticality
I don't envy you during your boat hunt. No boat is perfect and the options are endless. It can drive you bonkers is you let it. I am looking forward to the next boat you check out. Good Luck!
I like the second one better....I love these videos, it gives us different ideas on what we can look for. I don’t have any sailing experience so I’m going to probably start out with something a little smaller, I found a 31’ here in Florida at a very good price I think would be ideal for me to learn on and not have a huge overhead maintenance fee. Anyhow, I enjoy watching your videos and look forward to seeing more. Stay safe and may the winds forever be in your favor.
Might I suggest looking for an Island Packet 420 or 440. Well designed and built boats. Fair winds.
Thanks for taking us along on your search.
Beautiful boat, the NAJAD 391
The right boat will appear moments from now... All 3 of you will love it
Great time of year to be shopping. Good luck you guys !
I was watching an interview of a yacht broker by another youtuber and he had some really interesting info.
One of the things he mentioned is that on the East Coast of the USA and in the Caribbean, the best time to look is in the Spring, believe it or not. The reason is because that's when the sailing season starts to wind down. Everyone has to have their boat out of the Caribbean before hurricane season starts in June or July (for insurance purposes) and many boats go on the market at that time because of it. Combine that with the fact that there aren't many buyers, because the sailing season is almost over and you get a buyer's market. That's not gonna be the same for the Baltic, of course. I'm sure the sailing seasons correspond more with warm weather in the Baltic, than it does in the Caribbean.
The boat search is great! Keep looking!
Well done ! Your views on space and "liveability" are so familiar to us (liveaboards for 16 years) Focus on the practical qualities of a future family cruiser. I'm sure you know what you want and we can't wait to see your coming family adventures.
The Najad 441 would be perfect .... fast forward a few episodes and whoa - look what we have here! Thanks!
hello Ran. I am french and excuse me for my english. I have travel with my family during 2 years and live in board during 6 years. I think that you must choice a new boat whit 3 cabins. 1 for you, 1 for your baby, and 1 for your family or friends. my boat 41 feet. and in board: my wife and 2 children. 3 cabins. but I think, the best is 45 feet. I said no for forgus52 and naiad 391. thank you for your videos.
Great episode guys, I sure loved the 2nd boat also. Good luck on your search!
Wow what an engine room! I do agree that as nice as SV Malin is, you really need more space. Exciting times for you both, can’t wait to see what you find next. Cheers
I wonder whether you've anchored (no pun intended, really) on the larger boats since Ran was longer and you've been looking at boats upward of 50 feet. I really liked the Najad (Malin.) Maintenance and marina costs would be so much lower than for some of the other boats you've looked at. Good luck. I can't wait to see where this goes...
If it had to be one of these two, I vote for the Najad 391 for sure. Interior volume is not only a function of length but beam and fullness of hull shape as you surely know. I just looked at a Bianca Aphrodite 101 at 33' which had far less interior space than my previous Olson 30, so there you go. Best wishes for the baby and finding your next boat!
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MORE BOATS and decision you come too.
it's really fun watching your search. Also, congratulation on the baby! Keep looking.
Keep looking and be happy. Your boat is closer than you think. When you see it you will know very quickly.
Love seeing you guys on the hunt for a new boat. Incredible you bought that station wagon in that condition for $700.00. Like the first boat because the inside observation deck, wish they have only 3 cabins instead of 6. Good luck.
That's what a proper couple does!
I liked the Najad
Not an easy choice, I hope you are under no pressure to commit and are able to give yourself the time to search. You know it will come. Thinking of you chaps, good luck.
Yeah, I'm completely with you on those reviews. These are rather unusual and, if I might say, 'oddly' designed boats that would suit rather specific needs. I agree that somewhere between a 42- 48 ft would be right in your happy zone. I'll be following your every move with interest (and following you in a purchase)!
Beautiful couple. Always a pleasure to watch. Keep looking. You’ll find the right boat. Try to also look at an Amel Super Maramu. We love ours.
Hi guys we have just bought our 2nd yacht this year and we did look at 2 Najad 390s. Love the quality but ultimately felt there wasn’t enough light below and with a heads and separate shower they just eat up to much internal space leaving it felling to us cramped below. We ended up buy a Finngulf 391. It’s perfect for us very fast but blue water capable excellent Finish build quality two large berths and one heads means saloon feels very large and has much more light. Not many Finngulfs in U.K. but where you are looking could be a few about.
It had malins name all over it. You should of made her sit in the car 🤭. Looks like a nice clean boat. Maybe you should just have a look at a brand new boat just for reference. The 52' seemed amazing except for the below deck layout. I'm with you spacious and roomy. Maybe you can track down a sister ship with better quarters. Don't settle for nothing less than your heart's desire. 👍💕
I know exactly the one you should get..., the one that fills your needs of course & the one you can spend your time in!!
Gott med Najad... I have a 343👍⛵️⚓️ On Tjörn in Wallhamn so it was fun to see you guys driving over Tjörn bridge.
Good luck with the boat hunt😁
Warren s/y Legend
Najad is a very good choice! We are so satisfied with our 405! Good Luck with the boat hunt!
All these boats look great...
if you love the look of wood everywhere...
Bigger boats = Bigger expenses :)
One should go for a small as possible boat that is big Enough (sailing comfort and living comfort).
Boats are the the perfect concept that displays compromise :)
If it was me... I would choose this Najad 391 if we had the money. Such a beautifull boat, and what a condition ! (for a 20 year old), and spacious for the size.
In search for something bigger... You might also want to check out the older Trintella 44 (if you can live with an older boat = more work and expenses in maintenence/restoration)
Or the Hallberg Rassy 42 (i personally think the 42E is more pretty than the 42F, even though the Freers model is known to be faster and more modern) 42F is Maybe a better purchase, even though the price is higher.
We are looking at 35-38 foot(max) but we are newbies (we look at the HR Rasmus 35 or the more expensive 352) And we are 3 (two plus a little babygirl)
Good luck to all 3 of you.
awsome video guys cant wait to see you sailing again
Yeah, Malin and Johan! great learning curve... and btw, Ran is a great boat! Great review, keep on looking, as Sweden, Scandinavia as a whole is great for hunting for solid, seaworthy boats! Thanks, and keep them coming... ;-)
Loving the boat search series!
i liked the 2nd boat and totally agree about the forward and aft cabins.
I’m really enjoying going boat shopping with you! I liked s/y Malin the best but agree that she isn’t quite right for your needs. Still, finding out that you could possibly find a boat about Ryan’s size but with a better layout is encouraging. Every extra foot makes itself known when docking and hauling out, doesn’t it? Looking forward to the next video!
I love Hallberg Rassy boats, for me the best cruising boat on the market.
Exactly!
Nice video guys, bit of a quick tour but Najad are nice boats. Was my favourite boat at Southampton show this year. The more you look at the more focused you will become on what you need/want. Good luck with the search. Andy 🇬🇧
So many cool things for you two to think about and plan for. From what the two of you have shown us, your child will be starting boat projects, climbing the mast, planning passages and delighting in Nature in just a few short years. One other very important thing: someone very close to you will probably give the baby a very noisy toy, or some music that is cute at first but you will want to throw overboard when you hear it the 1,001st time. A bigger boat helps with this.
Great video on shopping for your boat. Keep up the quality videos
Not a comment you want to hear or read, but if I was you guys I'd give up give up sailing for 10 fifteen years except for weekends or whatever to deal with the new and hopefully expanding family. Loved all your videos.
Why???
I would buy the 39' Najd .Easy to keep an eye on baby .The baby would feel more comfortable on this yacht .Offer him 130 k as is .You got nothing to lose but this is you're boat .SY Milan name says it all.Baby would say cool Mum.She looks like an awesome sailing Yacht.Marina bills 1/2.If you need to dock .Wise men buy yachts not build them.
Love you both and happy searching!
Really enjoy watching you both...love the videos
Keep looking. What fun!
The Najad is very well built and is in such good shape to just too small for a family. The boat I like best so far was Deerfoot, but at 68 feet she will be a problem getting into some marinas. And of course, the cost of docking and hull maintenance is going to be substantial. One boat I think you might want to look at is an SC52. Well these were very expensive boats when new there are some available and well maybe just over your price range, they would take good care of you. Well they are not heavy they are extremely well built and fast and easy to sail. No one should ever underestimate speed as a safety factor. Plus if you buy one maybe you can come back to the US West Coast and spend a bit more time here. I know a lot of your West Coast fan would enjoy meeting you.
another great find. I'm sure it's hard to pass up such a rare find.
Do not rush to buy, like buses there will always be another one coming along.
I liked the Najad 391 between the two, however you need more space.
Flotte videoer dere lager Malin og Johan. :-) ..Great video content and super-nice editing, (..best sailing-channel on Y-tube)
Hope you find the boat you are looking for. Have a nice week to you both, and the whole family.
I spent most of five years cruising, mostly Central America and the Caribbean. I'd suggest you consider whether the boat you have could be handled by the minimum number of people you reliably will have onboard. I picked a 30' cruiser rather than a larger boat because my initial sailing experience was on a 65' boat (built in 1928 for the King of Denmark) and it took a crew of seven to race it. It took three people to get a headsail out of the cabin and on the foredeck. I knew that I was likely to be solo often and wanted to make sure I could handle the boat under bad conditions.
While cruising I made friends with a couple on a 50 foot boat and a couple with a 54' boat. Both couples needed extra crew when doing a passage. That meant leaning on family and friends to take time out from their lives, travel to the boat, and then make a big jump. Or hiring crew which is not necessarily easy or enjoyable.
What I saw a lot of in the Sea of Cortez was couples on 40' boats who seldom hung a sail but would motor from place to place, especially if it wasn't a run.
Perhaps roller reefing is better than it was when I was cruising but back then one saw a fair number of destroyed jibs after a big blow. The couple on the 50' boat I knew did the Tehuantepec Gulf passage, had their roller reefing snag, and came close to losing their boat. Just a thought....
Great review! So focused on interior and accommodations though. I get it, you guys need more room now. But with your sailing experience, it would be so great to hear your opinion on how the boats actually perform, pros and cons. Maybe something to consider in future walkarounds? Good luck on your boat hunt!
I'd go for an up to 50-foot wooden boat - nothing larger. A yacht has no soul if it's not wood. Besides aesthetics, there are many advantages to wood. It's durability for one.
Definitely a cutter. Winching in two smaller sails is easier than handling one big sail. A Marconi rig as it's better for sailing on the wind. I'm in two minds about a ketch or sloop. A ketch allows more sail and more combinations going downwind.
I liked the idea of having a steering station out of the weather.
Consider lithium batteries; they allow you to install every safety device, including a radar, you'll ever need.
And I agree with Malin. Many boats are gloomy below deck. Brown varnished wood is used apparently to make the craft look more authentic. Lighten it up. Paint the bulkheads and cabin ceilings white. Carpet the sole, especially when you're sailing up North and install a heater.
A workbench for Johan would be a boon as would a more spacious engine compartment.
Good luck!
You will know when you find, keep looking and good luck.
Congratulations on starting your family; it’s a wonderful journey.
Everyone underestimates the efforts and hands-on responsibilities that are over the horizon for you as parents to a newborn.
Your instincts that you will need more social area space are spot-on. Perhaps other parents will offer their views on the advisability of actually having direct hands-on parenting experience before you purchase your next boat.
By matching your sailing experience with direct parenting experience, your formula for what you’ll want for your next boat might change.
A catamaran is a social area platform atop 2 hulls. This might work for you better than a monohull for the first few years; you wouldn’t be the first parents to compromise in order to raise their family.
You might want to look into how this is working for another famous sailing channel who are raising their family on TH-cam before you make a major financial commitment.
I wish you all the best. Thank you for bringing us along with you.
Great videos.
The naijad was my favorite. Similar to the one troy was selling her. There is a CY 38 Princess for sale in Seattle 🤔 they are fast balanced and slice through big swell...
That was a good conversation about the boats. Malin knows what she wants, and, she will get it. Just don't rush into a hurried decision. With the baby on it's way, you will have time to continue shopping around.before you're ready to set sail again. Good luck.
exciting video guys, happy for you
Interesting video. thanks for sharing your thought process.
You could buy the 35 footer and when baby no.1 grows a bit or baby no. 2 comes along trade up to the 42 or 44 footer you mentioned. The downside is changing boats is always disruptive. Keep looking, the right boat will come along.
Thanks for sharing your boat hunting!
My opinions - 1)time is on your side, look at MANY, and don't feel rushed or sign up to something that you already KNOW there are significant things that are not right for you;
2)"smaller is better" because although the feeling of bigger and more room is nice when boat hunting, all of this needs A LOT MORE time, effort and $$$'s to run, maintain, extra fee's for length, etc, etc. which will all come home to roost especially in the harshness of sea life.
This is, of course, if your plans will STILL be to continue your global sailing adventures,.... which you may find change significantly once you have a young mum and baby onboard.
All the very best with your decisions and the birth of your baby! 🙂🥂