Build a long range Wi-Fi repeater
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- Build a long range Wi-Fi repeater
I needed to get a wireless internet connection into my workshop. I used a TP Link TL-WR702N in repeater mode and upgraded the antennas to achieve much better range. Not only can I now connect with my laptop. I can also connect with my phone.
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Wow this works. I just built it. We live on 114 acres. Although it won’t cover all the yard it works very well. I didn’t use the repeater in this video but used the TL-WR802N. It floods the yard really well even through the metal walls in the workshop 100 metres away. Thanks Andrew again
what a smashing job you have made of this . you have given me an idea on how to increase the range on my own wifi in my shack.
Most manufactures of cheap routers split the antenna into two if you trace it back. TP Link also does a version of this router with two PCB antennas (same chipset). As for burning out the connections, not going to happen on such low power. Even the chipset does not get hot enough to justify a heat sink.
Good explanation of the dipole, groundplane and also the wi-fi signal great job, good pace and good video. Congrats!
Hi Andrew. Thanks for the video. I built one almost exactly like you show here. In fact, I used your video as my inspiration. I'd post a picture, but that doesn't seem possible. I did a few things differently: 1) I used a tin can. Actually two. One was about 30% too short so I added some extra length by cutting off another can and attaching the two. I used a smaller diameter coax so I soldered it directly to the pad on the router's PCB. BTW, there is a very serviceable ground pad right next to the active antenna pad. I have pictures over on the Electronics Experimenter's Facebook group if you are interested in seeing it.
I use the same method to connect the cable to the waveguide, soldering. I use a slightly smaller hole just to pass the center copper, easier to solder. Later i used a combination of 2 pipes to crimp the cable.
Would it be possible to expand the video (and re-upload it) to include all soldered connections; I'm confused about the connection for the two antennas, an expanded video would certainly go far in clearing up my confusion.
Awesome, and thank you. I have several TP-Link WA5210G v1 0816301C devices, and I hope to get WiFi over a hill (one repeater) and into a camp site about 1.02 mile away.
You will have to let me know how that works out.
Andrew
andrew mcneil ; The WA5210G did an excellent job moving the satellite internet through the canyon, a bit more than one mile. I do not know if GoogleTube allows URLs, but here's an image of the set-up:
fennboree.org/three-pines-wifi.jpg
I am however annoyed that when I told the device to switch from the internal directional antenna to the 15 dBi external TL-ANT2415D omni-directional antenna, the device's signal instantly vanished, even from 30 feet away. I will test the pig tail and see if it is bad. I had hoped that both antennas would work at the same time, but the device set up does not allow it. It is in Router AP mode, not Repeater mode. Maybe if I put it in Repeater mode both antennas will work at the same time. Damned if I know at the moment why the external antenna failed: it's new, right out of the box.
Thanks, Same question as Darren. Do you need to cut off the old antenna or could it still be used instead of the little black antenna. Will give it a try.
Great video and excellent idea, but, coming again to antenna soldering, I do tot explain why you erased one PCB terminal (very close to the only one you left) which seemed to me a ground potential one.
Hi Andrew I can see a old school drier as well thanks all the best!
Referring to the hole you made, I have a cantanne and I have made a long groove of 4 inches so I can adjust were my element is inside the can and I am using one of my HAWKING USB dish adaptor boards and it pulls in my friends AP from 3-4 miles away, I couldn't believe it when I seen the his SSID showing 2 bars some times three and was strong enough to gather IV's "Great"
Very nice - clear instructions - I will give it a try, as I have the issue in my work shop.
nice. just what i need to do. i allready got the mini tp link routter and a time capsule, i think i might need it in AP mode.
GREAT VIDEO'S I have the same question as Darren and Bob Jones. I can not find your reply.1. Can the pcb antenna be left alone?2. Could you add a panel mount RP-SMA and then a 3-way RP-SMA splitterI would like to attach the sardine can biquad that you made (and the rubber duck or leave the pcb antenna alone)with the splitter I can swap out biquad to a cantenna or other antenna to find the best combo
Great idea Andrew, I was thinking of trying a high gain antenna right out of the wireless router I am using and one of your plexiglas yagi's and pointing it to where I need the extra coverage but have just the beginning of a metal bldg in the path. I want to keep the cable lead as short as possible. Might try to get some ultra low attenuation coax but it is so hard to work with. LMR400 etc. I will loose any gains I might be afforded if I were to use RG316
Andrew. I have something missing. I see you solder the omni-directional antenna, but I don't see you solder the barrel antenna. And where you solder the ground thing (sorry my poor knowledge and english). Can you give me some explanation. Thanks.
@Marc L dam bro can you just stop hating the guy. This guy taught me a whole bunch about antennas and how to build them in the past few months more than anyone else. He does give you measurements and even pdf files just so your lazy a*s can make it yourself. If you know of someone that doesn't go into the mathematical calculations and makes similar content please share them here. I would love to watch them too.
Very good. Great work. It was clear the connection of small external antenna but I could not identify where you welded in the tp-link card the wire cantenna
It's best but job!but How about the power supply to the router and are the two antennas soldered on same place?
You should actually remove the centre cladding from the driven element because it is a dielectric material and does in fact affect the resonant frequency of your antenna. The extra capacitance is going to present a load that resonates at a frequency higher than 2.4GHz.
I watched one video and became an immediate subscriber! Your content is very interesting and is also very well presented.
I am looking to solder an antenna jack into a Netgear WiFi Booster WN1000RP instead of relying on the metal "trace" antenna which they just print on the PC board.
I like the fact that it's self powered, portable and I can travel with it and change the antenna size to suit my particular needs.
ANY help you may be able to offer would be entirely appreciated!
Thanks, Antney.
Funny NetTools end Sample.. great video.
I picked up a chinese one of these some year ago and installed openwrt on to it, if that information is at all helpful. regards Richard
Wow this is cool... erm just wondering could you have say 3x of these and repeat a signal through each one?
That way i could put them accross the field at a festival site
In the video you pointed out two antenna pads being utilized by a single internal antenna etching. You stated you were going to disable the internal antenna ("scraped away" the etching), leaving the two pads for soldering the two external antennas, a directional cantenna and a omni directional dipole. However, you remove all but one pad. Why? You have both external antennas are using the remaining pad which wasn't necessary. Or was it?
I should do this. It would be nice for the garage
Dipole antennas do not require a ground plane..Your antenna maybe a quarter wave or a five eights wave which do require a ground plane. Or a matching network..
Great video I want to mAke something like this, but a portable one, could you do a video on this please? That would be great, like what power would it need and how do you make a portable internet antenna?
can you show all the soldering you made in detail ?
Dear Andrew , could you please explain, why they use two point in old antenna ?
and you used just one point !!
Hi @andrewmcneil. Thanks for this amazing video. Do you think we can have a updated version based on TP-Link TL-WR902AC v3. They're cheap on Ebay/FB and it's a dual band router. I'm thinking we can use the 2.4Ghz to pick up the signal from the main router and use the 5Ghz to repeat it. Kind regards, Radu.
Andrew is this what I need to buy from you to operate a 2.4 GHz rover in an underground pipe? I'll be controlling it from on top of the ground but need something in the pipe that will relay the signal back to me on top of the ground. Can you please advise me? I'll be glad to send you some coin for your advise. I really have been a subscriber for several years and participated in your patron video here a year or two ago. Your native tongue is really hypnotizing for this Yank.
Andrew...any chance of more long range repeaters
Furthermore by soldering two antennas in parallel you have effectively killed your impedance matching and are losing a lot of RF power to heat created by the standing waves in the coax feeds. You should have used a isolating 2.4GHz splitter to combine the two antennas instead
Did you miss part where he showed it working exactly as he wanted it to? That cantenna signal could probably be picked up a mile away, never mind at the bottom of his back yard. It DOESN'T MATTER if it's not perfectly matched.
Awesome, do you have a video on an Omni directional antenna? I would like to do what you have done only about 600ft into my shop and then repeat again with Omni directional so I can use wifi while mowing etc. Do you see this as possible?
hello nice work i was wondering could this be modified for lte1800
Great that there are still people out there prepared to take things to bits! My only question would be why on earth didn't you just buy 2 powerline adapters, plug one into your mains/router/spare LAN port in the house, turn off the dhcp server on a spare wireless router, give it it's own ssid and plug the other adapter/spare router into your workshop mains? it Would have been a lot less time consuming. Thanks for sharing non the less.
Hi beechIT, thanks for your comment.....I was hoping you could you kindly explanation this in a little more detail. I completely understand how the power Ethernet adapter works but I wanted to attach a spare router to one to get better wifi at the back if my home. You mentioned turning of something on the spare router and giving it it's own ssid? Will this give me a wifi signal at back of home? Will I need to get a password set up etc etc. I would sincerely appreciate your input.
hi, i'm having problems finding a good can for build my repeater do you have some ideas where to look.... thanks you make very good explain videos
Can a repeater like this (with the modifications made in this video) boost mobile signal (like 2G/3G/4G) based on the type of frequency that the repeater can recognize?
are the coax cable, antenna cable, and ground attached to the same single pin?
for what purpose the big barrel is used..i mean u have used 1 omni directional antenna also
I enjoy your great videos. Why did you bypass the L-C antenna circuits when you modified the TL-WDN3200 but not when you modified the TL-WR702N?
Great job, but i don't understand where you plug in cable on can?! Which dimension is your can, diameter of the can? With this calculator the best diameter is 76-90 mm because wifi frequency range 2412-2484 MHz and because discrepancies when you make a canntena better take a bigger frequency range. About Lower cutoff frequency in MHz is 2347 and Upper cutoff frequency in MHz is 2484. (soory if i have language mistakes)
Hi I liked that, i live in france and WiFi here is Crap, have you got a list of bits so i can try and build one please.
thanks
Very nice presentation.
Sir. , I am really confused. that TP link WR702N last connection. antena connection and outside connection
do you sell these? i am not technical enough to do stuff like that, lol.
Good stuff. Never knew you could make it that reliable. Does impedance mis match have an effect
I have the next version of your repeater there- the wr802n. But, as one might expect, a but different inside. I dont have that open antenna slot, but two circuit board soldered antenna _the folded metal type- arramged in a MIMO configuration. Theyre not worth a crumb. Would i just be trashing another router by cutting one off and soldering on a cable? Cheers!
i have the same version TP link (V4.0) also in doubt about what to do..
why did you skip the most important part ... the wires located on the board ...
i think just solder 1 cable to GND and the other to ANT
Nice job; very clean.
so grate !. Can you show me more how to connecting at the end of this connecting ?
Im using a belkin wifi repeater that has two antennas. Do I solder then both together into one wire? Or put two seperate coaxals into the cantenna? Or 1?
Hi Andrew.. I bought TL-WR702N on EBAY it did not have the resource cd included many come without the resource cd, have you any ideal where one can be obtained, I have looked at all tp links for hours and cant find it Thanks Bob...very interesting vid
Superb Video.
Very detailed and helpful. Thanks for these instructional videos!
IS THAT A WEED PLANT IN YOUR BACK YARD?
haha lol
There's some in mine though
Watched the complete video. I would have done some things differently, but for the most part You did very good on the modification. I was amazed by the output of the router. Have you ever measured the actual output on a spectrum monitor as per DBM or watts into 50 or 75 ohms termination or dummy load? I bought a repeater lately but am in need of another while camping on vacation this year. Have you also ever designed a rf power divider to split the power and keep the impedance and SWR better? What would you do for a better vertical Omni antenna? Am interested in your ideas. Very very interesting Video! Thank you very much.
73
Jimmy, ARRL TS, WX9DX
Why didn't you show how did you connect the 2 antennas? If you've put both together on the same point, you did an unmatch impedance for the last stage of the transmiter! For long term, you'll have problems on transmition transistor, burning it!
Your bank it is directed on a remote router, and the vertikal antenna distributes locally? How these are connected 2 antennas? you as give a food +5? what routers on this iron with two antennas?
GOOD VIDEO HOW SOLDER THE ATENA TO PCB
Thats a nice one....
I am planning to build one cantenna with bi-quad yadi built inside the cantenna...since I need a range of almost a km to connect to my friends network....
Need you thoughts on that.
I have done it. It does add a little more range but also makes it extremely directional, A km should not be a problem as long as you have line of sight.
Atheros chipset PCB good quality copper element and an adjustable element and you cant go wrong
Who cares if he says rooter or router or rooster you know what he is talking about some people i swear. Great video thanks for taking the time to share.
I love your videos but what I am trying to figure out how to do is subnet a home network using residential equipment. ow can I set it up so I have a main household network say 192.168.10 and a home office network say 192.168.20. how can I set up the network so that the office network router can get to the internet trough the main gateway router... No one is doing any videos on how to build sub networks with residential equipment and there are thousands of us out here that are begging for some one to show us the way...
Excellent work! So impressive!
Impressive work, well done!!
Am I right in assuming that both the antenna wires (non ground - ones)connect to the same pad on the PCB?
A fine video: thank you.
Would you show us how did you connect the 2nd antenna?
Javier Luchina because it's fake
If you need to ask this video is probably not for you.
Great video, do you need to cut off the old antenna or could it still be used instead of the little black antenna, thanks in advance Darren
Hi, is there a way that you can use a repeater to connect to free WiFi spots in near by town centres or is set up you demonstrated where you set up the repeater cause a problem? Just curious really, thanks.
why are you using the 40 mhz baseband and not the normal 20 mhz?
Is there any difference between different Coaxials?, Do bigger ones get more signal?
+Glaukos I still don't understand how putting a cable into a can makes it into an antenna, Have I got that right?
This is amazing Video
I've enjoyed all of your 2.4 GHz antenna videos, Andrew. I'm curious if I can use this repeater in the opposite direction. I'd like to grab a distant hot spot using a high-gain antenna and rebroadcast it in my house using a 'standard' antenna. And to confirm, both center wires from the antennas were soldered to the same tab on the PCB, right?
ty for your knowladge ! great job ! make more like this wireless conection videos etc...thx !
What is the range that you get out of this antenna?
Nice presentation Thank You for the inspiration
If i use this method to repeat my wifi range, should i inform the wifi host?
Is a mile + doable with 2.4?
Great job!
Have you tested the maximum range of your Cantenna?
Just one other thing Andrew, is there only one antenna connection on the PCB? No separately for the input/received and amplified or repeater output antenna.As I understand it, you are using the cantenna for the the input and the omni for the output to re-radiate. I am a little confused :-( P.s. do you think the seam on the side of stove pipe would interfere with normal operation of a booster
There is only one antenna connection I just spliced in the two onto the one solder pad. To be honest looking back I did not explain it very well (early in my video career :-) and there are now also better mini routers out there. Think I may look at doing this again.
Thanks buddy, hey I did a little research on those "triangles of metal" sure enough they can be anything you can solder to even galvanized steel if it will "take". Originally invented as a "Wave Transformer (Trap)" by a guy named Jason Hecker as one of the methods to arrive at impedance matching. Ref.>>> IBCrazy a.k.a. Alex Greve: go here: www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1377791, he speaks of them all BTW! Oh and look at the date of this post. This guy rocks as the youth of today will exclaim.
All the best. I am making one or another of your good designs this afternoon with what ever parts and material I have, bar none. This will allow for a IP type Smoke and Carbon Monoxide detector to work and report any problems to my Android. Talk soon and oh yeah, sorry to bug you so much. But you must appreciate that someone is on the ball out there! hahah
andrew mcneil Andy, What mini router would you consider using today ? Great video.
G’day mate. Would you consider building 700-800mhz cantennas for the 4g lte spectrum?
Hi Andrew. I was just wondering with the long range repeater. If I can get the measurements correct for the diameter and inside length, in theory can a pvc pipe be used if the back was closed with metal for the driven element to reflect off?
thanks
Great Video Andrew, very informative and knowledgeable thank you. I wanted to know if you could help me with a project of mine. I am trying to extend the range of my Bluetooth speaker (Vivitar V1322BT Mini) from roughly three yards(20ft) to approximately 200yd (600ft).
+nathan adams 600ft is not possible with some further research so maybe just just 40/80ft
Do it works if the router and the repeater is different model or brand?
+jdhel raquel Yes you just need to know the routers SSD and password
wow thanks for the info :)
+andrew mcneil Thats what Kali Linux and a word list is for! Passwords be damned
Earl Barretto m
Just to let you know if you buy a ALFA network and put it in window you will get 26 (connection)
thank you and good job
andrew mcneil what is the diameter of the holder toilet brush you use 82 mm. or 92 mm. ?
92mm
andrew mcneil
Thank you. I also I have taken on this project, but use two RP-SMA connector for connection to the antennas.
I watch all your videos with great interest.
I apologize in advance for my bad English
definitely wouldn't call this long range.. My regular wireless router would reach there!
I run a Long range repeator for my everyday use... using it right now ;)
One thing is that you use illegal equipment, another is that you advertise you do. The latter would be pretty dumb.
Great video! But something is not very clear for me: Do you solder both the driven element of the cantenna and the dipole to the same point (where you had the PCB antenna)?
Yes
andrew mcneil By doing that the repeated signal will be going out of the omnidirectional aerial too. The signal, in both directions, is basically shared between both aerials.
Peter C antennas are “black magic”. I still haven’t found anyone who can explain antennas on repeaters.
A VHF repeater uses 1 antenna, with 2 different frequencies. While receiving on the one frequency, it also transmits on the other frequency, using the same antenna. This is done through means of a duplexer. And a duplexer is just a bunch of cavities tuned for the 2 frequencies by making the volume of the cavities bigger/smaller.
Also remember that the device (wifi router) only had 1 antenna to start with. So yes, it transmits and receives on that 1 antenna simultaneously
@@nielvosloo _"So yes, it transmits and receives on that 1 antenna simultaneously"_
Well.. If 2,400,000,000 signals /second is 'simultaneous'.. then yes..
Very cool
Please, provide a link for the software for testing?
AND, as the video and all is quite impressive, would you considder making one for me, shipping it to Norway and how much if so ? (serious !) greetings from Norway ;)
Roger Selsø Hi Roger this is an old video I have since updated it you can buy one from my shop here: andrew-mcneil.com/
andrew mcneil
how much are the wifi antenna
Can you explain the advantage of a directional antenna versus an omni-directional antenna with the same exact dBi? The only reason why I think a directional antenna is better is because of the noise level would be much less. Thanks!
Andrew can you help me with the d-link 505?
You are amazing!!!
yes its just an extension of your router.
Excellent! Ty so much for the Info! :D