Um... I think the best thing that COULD have been done with the Holdo Manuever is have ADMIRAL ACKBAR do the manuever instead. That would make his stupid death actually mean something, and not have to introduce another character. Holdo isn't THAT bad, but they just did a huge disgrace to Ackbar. And have Captain Phasma be the person who replaces Hux in everything... And it would be SUPER cool if SHE was the spy in TROS, and maybe even keep her alive? It also would have been cool to see Commander Pyre from the Resistance TV show actually do something :)
There are a few things that would make the films okay. Don't kill off Han Luke and Leia is the main thing. Look at the book franchise. Did they sell more books by killing off the core of Star Wars? That would be stupid as hell to kill off the driving force of your books, even WITH new characters to fill in, there is still a lot to tell with Luke and Han and Leia. It really hurt the fan base, it was an unwise move that they could have saved for six or seven films later. Palpatine was also a stretch, replace him with a twin of Snoke or a clone and that would tie things together well, how he could have such a hold on Ben. Twins would be very powerful.
I'm not a screenwriter or, heck any other type of writer for that matter, but even I think can make a better story for the Sequel trilogy than what Disney shat out.
Myself as well. I saw RoS yesterday knowing it had problems and tried to enjoy it for what it was. It had its moments and I think it was better than TLJ, but still, there was plenty that just didn't thematically stick. Would love to see Center Row's take on a new film!
I’ve been writing my own version of TLJ using the trailers as guidepoints, but an entirely new story. I have 41 pages so far (probably 15-20 more to go).
@@MELODYMUNRO Finn was initially going to share the spotlight with Rey a bit more equally, but unfortunately (and largely due to racism from higher-ups) got shunted to the background after The Force Awakens. As the series stands now, narratively, Finn plays a MUCH smaller role than Rey (though I wouldn't go so far as to call him or Rose entirely superfluous). But originally, he was supposed to be much more relevant. I'm not sure what happened to Rose, but in any case I enjoyed what little I did get to see of her character, and I'm still rather upset that both Rose and Finn were nigh irrelevant to the plot, and I'm VERY upset about how Disney bowed to the whims of a bunch of racists at the cost of the mental well-being of two of the big actors of one of the most profitable franchises in cinema. They deserved better; even if they were in small roles in small films, they would've deserved better, so I think it heinous that a giant media monopoly with loads of money and cultural power would treat actors poorly and make racists feel justified.
Honestly, I think Rey should've turned to the dark side at some point in the trilogy, as it would give her a meaningful struggle and much needed depth to her character.
I think when Kylo asks to join him in episode 8 she should have joined. It's the same situation at episode 5 but completely flips the narrative. Would make episode 9 far more interesting. Make Finn's arc in episode 7 and 8 him becoming a Jedi. Then episode 9 is Finn trying turn Rey and Kylo to the light side.
I'll stick my neck out there and admit something... I'm a Reylo fan. Now before anyone sticks me up on a cross, I'm interested in Reylo not because Adam Driver is hot or whatever justification preteen minds come up with. I wanted to see the dynamics of change that they could bring about in each other. From the get go, Kylo Ren tried to convert Rey to the dark side, but she was able to see past his figurative mask to the good that still existed within him. What I wanted from Reylo, romantic or otherwise, was a push and pull between light and dark that eventually equalizes into something grey. Kylo Ren could return to being Ben Solo, tortured by his decisions but determined to move forward. After the murder of his own father, the heartache of his mother, and Rey's constant proding at what's left of his conscience, Ben could come back to the light, if only a little. He could realize (most likely through Leia, not Rey) that his grandfather's legacy wasn't one of tyranny and injustice, but one of sacrifice, redemption, and love in spite of all consuming hatred. Rey could have been Rey Palpatine, the young nobody who became a hero overnight. Someone who's praises were sung high and low. Someone who became obsessed with their own image as a hero. As a wielder of power. Someone who starts falling down a slippery slope into darkness that is only fueled by her dark legacy. Between the two of them, they constantly battle against their rage and regret to bring true balance and peace to the galaxy their own way. Not the Sith way. Not the Jedi way. Something entirely new. A path they've thrown each other into, but nonetheless a path they walk together. That's what I was hoping a "force diade" would amount to. That's why I thought Reylo could work.
They should've just had a roadmap planned by a good fantasy writer who understands soap operas and who's a real big star wars fan, and then make sure to stick to that roadmap. Also, having the same director for all three, who's dedicated and also a huge fan of star wars. I think Lucas should've just been consulted on whether he thinks the settings, powers, and creatures are appropriate and in keeping with the world.
@@zusfrankenstein8561 these are progressive writers. Story planning requires sequential reasonning, knowing how one decision can impact the future. Clearly not their strongsuit.
"I am in no way claiming I'm smarter or more talented than Disney or Kathleen Kennedy." Uhh, anyone who would have planned an overall story arc out in advance, is smarter than Disney.
There is a difference though, and it’s called humility. Being humble and admitting that just because something sounds better in YOUR head doesn’t mean that it will translate well to others is the best way to have the audience agree with you even if they don’t like what you present them with. It shows them that you’re conscious about the fact that their opinions may vary and that it’s okay if they disagree. By saying “I am not claiming to be smarter or more talented than Disney or Kathleen Kennedy,” he’s letting the people who DO like the sequels, because they do exist, that his opinion and his ideas are not to be taken seriously. Besides, not everything that Kathleen Kennedy has done has been awful. She’s had some good moments and she was even at George Lucas’ side for a lot of years which is how she got the job as president of Star Wars in the first place. Let’s not forget that she also produced Rogue One, and she was a part of The Mandalorian. She had Carrie Fishers blessing as a boss and she canonizes the female R2 droid that a child cancer patient made as a fan creation, which she didn’t have to do or even acknowledge. She’s not a bad person just because you don’t like the movie she green lit. Just like Rian isn’t a bad person for making a movie you didn’t enjoy. People seem to forget that nowadays.
@@mateom1691 I think it is more their mindsets on it (plus their reactions to how fans took it) and how they went about it than how the actual movies turned out.
Edward Cochran If you can hate his movie, and if people can call harassment valid opinions just because you don’t like a movie, why can’t he fire back??? Doesn’t make him an asshole, it makes him someone who’s gonna fire back at you with his own opinions. Besides he has already said that he appreciates the loyal and passionate fan base who didn’t like what he created. Comparing what people have said about him and the actors, I’d say what Rian says and does is totally valid. He’s not harassing anyone. He’s not sending death threats. But he truly doesn’t give a fuck if you like his movie or not, and that automatically makes him a “bad person.”
Luke as a lonely hermit being somewhat broken and hopeless? Sure, great idea for tension in the plot. But that whole 'trying to kill a family member because of the suspicion he could turn to the dark side'-thing is just ridiculous.
Not just ridiculous but more so lazy the way they display it. Oh this is what happens with Luke (ten second weird out of place luke scene of him over Bens bed). 🤦♂️
Its hard to believe that the same guy who believed in the good side of Anakin until the end just tries to murder his nephew because of the feeling that he could turn to the dark side 😅
I agree, Luke chose negotiation over violence when he went to Jabba the Hutt's fortress on Tatooine. He tried to cheat Jabba, not to kill him! And he was no more than a fat lizard guarded by swines. No sane writer would depict that Jedi the way Johnson did. They told him: "We need new heroes, kill everyone else!"... and his answer was a joyful "Yes sir!"
Yes! I really dont know why they didnt. Dave filoni has proven time again that he understands the star wars characters and universe better than anyone besides probably George himself. Jon favreau directing and filoni writing would have been amazing.
One good fix for both Holdo & Rose: have Rose be the traitor who sells them out to the first order and have Holdo be aware that there is a traitor but unaware of who the traitor is. For example Rose could have sold them out because the First Order was keeping a member of her family hostage (like her sister that we see early in the movie, have her captured instead of dying). That would also explain why Holdo doesn't tell her plan to anyone as she knows she cannot trust everyone aboard the ship.
Honestly, my problem with the sequel is that whenever I watched Star Wars or played any of the video games prior to the sequel's release, I had a feeling of familiarity when watching them. However, the sequels are too artificial and refined and it doesn't feel like I am watching Star Wars
@@CenterRow Yeah. I think its mostly because of the 3D logo. The old merchandise and the Lego games felt like Star Wars. The Remake trilogy is not Star Wars. Its just a refined fan film
To me it seems like there are two main opposing problems. The movies at times cling so desperately to characters or "star wars things", only to break some of the unspoken universe rules and that makes it feel shallow. You get too much recycled world (ofc you need to use some it) and then some new pieces that don't really fit.
@Toxic Potato Except acting and dialogue have NEVER been main focal points of a SW movie. Still not sure why they suddenly were to many people when the prequels came out. : P The more contemporary-sounding dialogue of the ST frankly put me off more than any of the stylized '30s/'40s movie speak of the first 6 movies. And what plot holes exist in the OT and PT??
I feel like Kylo going from a villain chasing Vader's legacy to converting back to the good would've worked as an overarching story if Rise of Skywalker didn't bring back Palpatine and really just executed the whole conclusion better. I think killing Snoke worked because it allowed for a lot more exploration into Kylo and internal conflicts but Rise of Skywalker decided to retcon an actual good decision and go nowhere with Kylo besides continuously trying to join forces with Rey and ultimately converting to defeat Palpatine.
@@CenterRow Tbh I could've been really down with Palpatine returning...but as a force ghost. Jedi can do it so why not the most powerful sith ever? I think this idea would've worked if there was just one, single line in The Last Jedi where Palpatine's voice says *something* to Kylo. But still the actual plot of The Rise of Skywalker needs changing. I thought I was gonna get to see a force ghost battle between Palpatine and Yoda, Luke, throw Obi-Wan and Anakin there too. I thought it was interesting that Yoda revealed he could interact with the world as a ghost and still is extremely powerful in his scene in TLJ but they never expanded on that.
Rey being overpowered is the first big screw-up of the trilogy. She can suddenly fly ships out of nowhere, and use advanced Force techniques, like mind control, without training. The implication is that she was born with these abilities, and that her lineage mattered. So all of a sudden, the Force is just this superpower you're born with, and not something you train in for years. People complain that Midichlorians were the first time this issue arose, but they forget that even Anakin had to train for over 2 decades, and still got bested by Obi-Wan. Rey's superhero powers make no sense within Star Wars canon, and either the Prequels and Originals are NOT canon, or the Sequels are NOT canon. My head-cannon is that the Sequels are not canon, so I don't really care if they suck overall.
Even more Than her being a Mary Sue by itself, because everything is easy to her she doesn't come off as a 3D character but rather an aimless God who doesn't "want" anything because she can do just fine in every scenario, think about it, even if the bad guys win Kylo AND palpatine want her alive, Kylo even ditches his whole First Order plus new sith fleet just because she basicly said "if u good we bang". She was doing fine on Jakku, everyone liked her on the good guy's team, 2 out of 3 of the main bad guys liked her, she didn't need Luke to train her (and in fact he didn't) she had all the skills she wanted and that makes her a character that doesn't "miss" anything, so she doesn't "want" anything. She's a passive character that the plot has to drag along, so she's just imbued with godlike powers to forcefully make her a part of the story. As all (good) superhero movies teach us: "if you're nothing without the suit, you shouldn't have it"
Yeah besides it's not an issue pf overpowered its she has no real character flaws. Anakin messed up, was too headstrong, quick to anger, made mistakes. sure lots of skills but flaws and other weaknesses outside of the force and fighting (plus he trained and lost his hand and lost to obiwan) she however does not. Hulk has power but limited control and intelligence, thor is cocky and not too bright, iron man is overconfident, alcoholic, prideful, etc. It's not power but that her power is her character shes just good at everything and the backstory to those skills and weaknesses are what sculpt what she lacks. Instead we get a desert orphan who never saw an ocean who can instantly pilot boats through 50 foot waves. You can't give flaws based on her family history at the end of the trilogy and expect it to count.
Good point, guys. But there are still folks out there who will defend Rey to the end. I'm with you two about Rey. What a shame for me! I was beginning to like Rey until I realised she's a Mary Sue.
She also has zero character development. Shes the same at the end of Tros as she was at the start of Tfa. Such a boring character. I can tell someone who finn is as a character and po to, but rey.. i got nothing.
@@keelobrown4991 in short, Rey is a power fantasy, the kinds you see in very poorly written fanfiction. Which coincidentally is what the sequel trilogy is - very poorly written fanfiction.
Remember the scene of Saruman and Gandalf fighting over the weather as Gandalf tries to lead the Fellowship over the mountain pass? That should have been Luke and Snoke fighting over the soul of Ben Solo through the force. Luke might have realized that he lost, walked into Ben's cabin, and felt the presence of the dark side, as if it wasn't Ben in that bed at all, it was Snoke !!
I would have started the trilogy with kylo’s decent into the dark side. It’s a more interesting story and arc, the third movie would end with him becoming the leader of the first order. In the series we would have more snoke, knights of ren, leia, Han and Luke but with a different story than the original trilogy. And after that then we can pick up from where TFA starts but those movies wouldn’t be the trash we were presented.
Finally, a critic who doesn’t hate on disney every second they can. Also, I like the whole luke plot too. Probably my favorite line in the whole sequel trilogy is: “you think I came to the most unfindable place in the galaxy just to go back and defeat the whole first order with a lazer sword?”
@@Axelovskji yes. That map is to the island, not to Luke. Luke used that map to find the island and that's it. He didn't leave it to be found. Our heroes thought he left it. Just like most of the audience thought he wanted to be found. Thinking deeper it doesn't make any sense for someone to go into hiding, leaving a piece of the map, just to be found in case, instead of just not going in hiding in the first place.
@@i-deni-i5138 but why is it called "the map to luke skywalker" then? and how does everybody know that *"this specific map leads to luke"* it *is not* possible to know that, unless he told someone where he was going (or conveniently left a map with R2), which contradicts the two movies
@@Axelovskji Han states those that knew Luke best thought where he went to. That's why they call it a map to Luke. It makes sense to call it that because they are searching for him.
@@i-deni-i5138 but if the location of the first jedi temple was so well known, why did luke go there and call it unfindable? (and R2 still has the map piece)
Forget Hux. Forget Phasma. This trilogy needed THRAWN. That could have served Kylo's story in so many ways. 1) Obviously as a foil. Thrawn is older, more experienced, calmer, more collected. Feared and RESPECTED by his men (and Snoke, by extension). This could be used to get under Kylo's skin even more as he comes off as a petulant child by comparison--and as the films establish, Smoke continues to talk down to him, while treating Thrawn as a respected equal, etc, etc. Thrawn would also be a very natural explanation for why the First Order rises so quickly. AND he would be a walking fan service target for both Legends fans AND Disney extended universe by way of Rebels. BUT if they were going to bring in Thrawn, then that would entail a commitment to the space battles portion of Star Wars, which this trilogy pretty solidly neglected.
jjbb84x Bring in Mara Jade as Luke's established wife while you're at it! As a former Dark Side user herself, she might have an interesting perspective on her nephew, Ben.
I mean Kathleen Kennedy fired the original director for episode 9 which was the same director for Jurassic world. Episode 9 would be so different if he directed it as it would be fully original cause he has great ideas though Kathleen Kennedy looked at the first draft for the movie and said nope and instantly fired him not giving him a second chance which then Kathleen Kennedy though it would be a better idea to put a (*stars wars veteran*) in charge of episode 9 which was JJ abrams.
It was also unecessary. They could have quite reasonably said the first order was a natural continuation of the empire after Palpatine's death at Return of the Jedi since they were going to ignore most of the EU anyway. Instead they said the New Republic was formed and then they destroyed anyway in the same movie it's introduced.
Definitely seemed way too resourceful for a faction that's supposed to be a remnant kind of faction, especially considering the time between the movies story wise. The Sith Empire of Darth Vitiate which was a remnant of Naga Sadow's Empire needed centuries before it could attack the Republic and Jedi
When Rey says "Rey Skywalker", fade to black. Then hsve Ben Skywalker wake up at the end of TROS and tell his dad Luke, "I just had the strangest dream. You had hidden yourself from the galaxy and this new evil empire called the First Order ..." Then fade to credits.
@@CenterRow Can't really agree with this. While the trilogy we got was full of flaws, IMO it had more potential than the foregone conclusion that was the prequel trilogy. When I last watched the original trilogy I left more interested in what happens next rather than what happened before.
No there was totally a place for Star Wars regardless of whether or not Disney just made the safest movie possible to make a billion dollars back. The fact is that Legends proved millions of Star Wars fans crave additional content and appeasing them and the general movie goer who loves the originals, is that really that hard? No way! Take any popular elements from legends! Batman did it!
To clarify, I feel you could have made a good Star Wars sequel trilogy, but with Hollywood's track record for sequels I felt it wasn't a great idea from the get go
I don’t hate the sequels, in fact I enjoyed them for the most part but yeah they could have been a lot better. I give props to jj for trying his best but he’s not good at wrapping up stories especially with his mystery box shit. Rian Johnson tried to do something different with the last Jedi but execution could have been better. I think jj or rian should have worked on the whole trilogy and worked with others to have a cohesive vision.
Never mind the whole ST completely undid everything that was accomplished in the OT; completely ruined Luke's, Han's, and Leia's characters; and largely ruined certain crucial in-universe elements, namely hyperspace (i.e. the 'Holdo maneuver' and 'lightspeed skipping' -- so much for going into hyperspace _not_ being like dusting crops, huh? : P) and, even worse, the Force ('Force-Skyping'? Force-projecting/-draining? Force diads? And where the hell were those healing abilities when Anakin was trying to save his mother?? Theoretically he never should've become Vader with such abilities : P). And, of course, Palpatine/Sidious' return also completely ruins Anakin/Vader's story arc, and, given that the Skywalker line was totally wiped out and his line wasn't (regardless of what MaRey Sue claims who she is), you could argue he was the true victor. God, what a mess. : P
ComeOnIsSuchAJoy nah I don’t think it ruins leai or han’s character and clearly the healing stuff is new and anakin couldn’t use every force ability like lightning and projection. Not trying to completely defend the sequels but that’s just my opinion.
@@jknetwork6211 So why could Rey do those things after a mere year of using the Force yet Anakin couldn't after *10* years of training?? Do you even give a shit about the universe's lore/mythology???
I love the idea of the climax of the Force Awakens taking place on Luke’s planet, like he just wakes up in at the end of the battle and having all his land destroyed, he’d be like what the hell happened here
It's weird that the movie titles tell a much more interesting story than the movies do. And with a little extrapolation, I think you can come up with a better story than the one we got. THE FORCE AWAKENS - 30 years have gone by. The New Republic is fighting against an uprising remnant of the Empire: the First Order. The First Order suddenly became a player when Ben Solo, seemingly out of nowhere, turned to the dark side and destroyed Luke Skywalker's newly founded Jedi Order. Rey, a lone scavenger that was dropped of by unknown parents on a desert planet, exhibits force sensitivity, but she knows nothing about the Force. She is drawn into the desert by visions. She finds a lightsaber (Anakin's and Luke's lightsaber that is charged with the power of both the dark and the light side of the Force; how did it end up there? The ways of the Force), and is overwhelmed by visions of Darth Vader, Anakin Skywalker, and Luke Skywalker. She is desperate to find Luke and gets in contact with the Republic. Kylo Ren, equally drawn by the Force to the desert planet, shows up, and so the plot thickens. Poe Dameron, Fynn, Han Solo, they are all involved here. Luke has disappeared. He wants to find answers as to why there's a strong dark power. He's looking for the very first Jedi Temple. Once the first plan of the First Order (which does NOT involve yet another death star) is foiled, Han, Leia and Rey discover Luke at the old temple. THE LAST JEDI: Rey and Luke find and protect other force sensitive beings. Kylo Ren is on a mission to hunt them down and kill them. It turns out that with Anakin killing the Emperor, balance to the Force has been restored and the Force has indeed awakened. After that, thousands if not millions of newborns are force sensitive. It turns out that the whole "Jedi vs Sith" thing has been wrong for thousands if not ten thousands of years. The truth is that the force needs to be united within the force sensitive beings. But the mysterious dark force that controls Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren is fighting against this. Han tries to stop Ben, but is killed by his own son. Luke and Leia are devastated. Luke has a "Jedi Council" meeting at the old temple, with Mace Windu, Qui Gon, Obi Wan, Yoda, and finally - Anakin. They tell him that the old ways have to die, and that Rey is the new generation of Force users. So Luke is indeed the Last Jedi. Luke has to confront the dark power, and end it. He travels with the gang to a mysterious planet. There's a lightsaber duel with Luke and the Knights of Ren that Luke easily wins. But then, the Dark returns. A shadow from the past. A familiar voice. "Looooong have I waited..." - "No, it can't be..." The force ghost of the Emperor emerges. The Emperor is so super powerful that no one can destroy him. Luke is disintegrated by the Emperor's lightning, Rey is in shock. The First Order begins a galaxy wide attack on the Republic, lead by Kylo Ren. All hope is lost. THE RISE OF THE SKYWALKERS - The Emperor has returned and wreaks havoc in the galaxy with the support of Kylo Ren and the First Order. Rey assembles the Force users in a battle against Palpatine and Kylo. Together with the ghost of Anakin Skywalker, she succeeds in turning Ben back to the light side. But with a twist. Ben and Rey now both control dark and light. It turns out that Palpatine has ever since been taken over by Darth Plageius, who split off from the balanced Force ten thousands of years ago. He eventually created Anakin Skywalker and the Skywalker bloodline, from his own blood. And it's not over until his power has been completely diminished. Darth Plageius has to end. They face the Emperor. They lose. But when all hope is lost, Anakin and Luke return to help. There is a final epic battle between the ghosts of The Emperor, Anakin, Luke, as well as Ben and Rey. In that battle, Anakin and Luke sacrifice themselves to completely destroy the Emperor's ghost. The remaining energy of the Jedi and the Sith dissolves into the Force. True balance. Ben and Rey survive. They found a new generation of Force users that embody both the dark and the light: the Skywalkers. So at the end you have the climaxes of each trilogy: The Revenge of the Sith, The Return of the Jedi, The Rise of the Skywalkers, and it's all about the "balance of the force" theme.
The balance of the force should absolutely have been the big thing with the sequels. It's the best way to justify their existence. The old movies never really explained that or solidified what it meant. The sequels could have. That would be their purpose and reason for existing in the story. TLJ set up the idea of balance and pushed it forward a little with the idea of the force trying to balance itself with darkness rising and light to meet it. With the yin and Yang symbol on Luke's island etc. But it went nowhere with TROS.
I think there are a few things they could've done to fix them: Finn - I liked how he and Rey were both main characters in TFA but for some reason he got tunred into a side character in TLJ. Snoke - he should've been the new Emperor instead of Palpatine returning. Rey - she should've been defeated by Snoke and scarred so that she doesn't seem invincible.
@@CenterRow it absolutely destroys previous movie conflicts. Why doesn't the rebellion create a Droid piloted ship that can hyperspeed drive into the Death Star? The previous answer was because in order to hyperspeed jump, you have to transfer into the 5th dimension or fold space time in some certain way. It also explained how hyperspeed doesn't run into uncharted asteroids. But now that ships interact with the real world while in hyperspeed, none of the previous explanations make any sense
@@lukeschelter5565 Maybe justify it by being a jump to near-light speed, not Hyperspace. That way it gets the same effect without breaking the universe.
@@GlaceonStudios But that ship has at that point been traveling at top speed for most of the movie, right? How can that ship suddenly move that much faster? That would break it's own established thing. It's hyperspace or not in Star Wars, right? It'not gradual from zero to hyperspace. Hyperspace isn't even a type of speed, per se. Fighters can travel faster that bigger ships. That has to do with engine power per the mass of the ship. Hyperspace is something else, that requires a hyper drive. If it was speed then fighters should be able to do it, but they aren't. Only ships with hyperdrives can travel through hyperspace. Nothing in that scene makes sense !!
I love this analysis of the problems of the Disney Star Wars trilogy and how to fix it. As a screenwriter, one of the biggest flaws the trilogy had was not really giving the audience a thorough, morale, and theological reason/explanation as to why The First Order and The Resistance are fighting in the first place. What moral/ideological differences do they have to make them enemies in the first place? Had the screenwriters had an answer to that question, the trilogy would have had a chance to succeed, along with much, much better character development.
You would need to start reworking the sequels by actually staying true to the returning characters from ep6. Literally none of the returning characters except c3po are remotely in line with what was established by ep6. This would mean the whole search for Luke cannot happen because luke would be helping leia and Han. The entire premise of tfa cannot be allowed to occur, and would need to be replaced with a more believable plot
I think Luke undergoing character development due to his failure as a teacher is great. The reason why Hamill didn't like Luke in the sequels is because Luke is a changed person in TLJ.
@@Bighomie39 I will never understand this,Luke,who is one of the most optimistic persons in the star wars universe,even trying to turn his father,who committed unforgiveable crimes,to the light side again despite yoda and obi-wan arguing for his death,suddelny just gives up,i cant get this in my head,if even han solo,han fcking solo is ready to help nor ever gave really up,than its hilarious,if luke just gave up
@@friedrichii.aliasdergroe9233 because he felt guilt for what he did and blamed himself for what had happened to his own students. He had thought himself responsible for letting one of his students become what he had destroyed in Anakin. He had all this pride as a Jedi Master, and let himself succumb to it, leading to his reaction when all he had tried so hard to build fell away before his own eyes. It's why he refused to train Rey at first. It's why he projected himself to Crait to talk to Kylo one last time to right his wrongs. He became a Force ghost afterwards because he knew that he had done what he needed to do.
Rey having a strong connection to the force doesn't explain how she uses the "super powers" that comes with that. Someone needs to teach her what being force sensitive makes her capable of !! After that she needs to practice using her gifts. She needs to learn what she can do, and then steadily gain more and more control over those abilities. Strong force sensitivity means a high maximum strength level, and that she might reach a high level quickly. Those steps laid out before are still important, tho !!
Comparing young Anakin from ep 1 to Rey from ep 7 is largely inaccurate, because you are missing the core of the problem and misrepresenting both characters. The problem is not that Rey is powerful, the problem is that she can perform Jedi techniques without any training or previous knowledge of them (mind control, telekinesis, lightsaber fighting) and is highly skilled in everything she engages for the first time (flying the falcon expertly - she directly says she has never piloted a ship before). You say that its not an issue simply because a character in the (later) movie marvels at her strength in the force and compare that to qui-gon being amazed by Anakin's strength. This is not an explanation. This is not how the force works. The only benefit Anakin had from his inherent strength in the force was quick reflexes and.... that's it. Those two are not comparable. PS. I do not consider explanation "Rey downloaded Kylo's knowledge matrix style" to be valid, because: 1) it is not in the movie, 2) it is the laziest retroactive attempt at explaining her skills one could possibly imagine, 3) it is simply laughable.
I like keeping the Holdo Maneuver, it's easy enough to explain without breaking canon, either it requires a precise jump to hyper space between two capital ships or larger regarding interactions of mass shadows, or the hyperspace tracker extended the Supremacy into hyperspace making it vulnerable to that kind of attack. The Empire had the tech (per Rogue One), but wasn't practical due to the vulnerability. The First Order, being smaller, had to use a more dangerous tech to gain any kind of advantage they could. Can also justify why Holdo doesn't tell him because she doesn't believe the FO has hyperspace tracking and suspects that one of the passengers may be providing their location. She realizes that those with her are trustworthy, deduces scans the ship, notices the hyperspace signature and then leads into the hyperspace ram I would also make it more evident that Finn had hand-to-hand combat training in the First Order to help explain his ability to handle a lightsaber, maybe have him pull a baton during the opening First Order attack. That or start leaning into him being force sensitive early rather than hinting at it at the last moment.
I've never really questioned the logistics of it - I understand why people would - but it's a stunning and beautiful scene. I'd keep even if it went against canon. Sometimes I just want spectacle
If they explained it, that would help. Because in the same books that Disney wrote for the new canon, it says that the empire has tech to block nearby shipd from going to hyperspace. Because, duh, of course they would.
@@rbrickproductions123 But what would be the point of space battles if everyone can just 1. Flee at any moment by going to hyperspace 2. use small ships to destroy the big ones? The problem isn't just canon, it's that those kinda of "inovations" fix limitations that are there to increase narrative tension. It's kinda the same problem with Rey. She has the "Dragon Ball Problem", which is when a character is constantly getting more powers in order to resolve the plot, so the writers don't have to think about it.
Great video! There are two things that I think this trilogy should have focused on: 1. The Mortis Gods conflict: In the prequels, The Dark Side won, in the Original Trilogy the light side won, so in the sequels, there should be a balance between the two sides. They can include the metaphorical meaning to the conflict between The Daughter and The Son. 2. The mystery of the Unknown Regions: This is something that has interested me for a while in Star Wars. The mystery of the Unknown Regions. When I found out that Snoke was from there, it made his character that more interesting. Instead of an ancient faction of the Sith, what do you think of Snoke's species (not strandcasts!) invading the New Jedi Order as replacements of the Yuuzhan Vong?
It makes me confused when people try to just write off all the characters in TFA as copycats of the ones in ANH since to me, they're completely new archetypes for the franchise. A lone pure of heart scavenger pulled into a galactic conflict desperately trying to find her place in the universe. A child born soldier coming to the realization that the power he was fighting under his whole life was evil, and at first attempted to run away from the conflict entirely but learns to fight for the right thing. A villain born into a family of legendary heroes. With his ego and hatred of his family taken to new extremes, he tries everything in his power to relinquish the past and forge a darker future. But as he falls deeper into the dark side the light's temptation grows with it. And after confronting his demons, is redeemed by the very thing he hated so much. Seriously the argument that all these characters are just Luke Han or Vader is so strange.
It's not so much that they are the exact same characters as they serve the exact same function in the story as their counterparts did in the original trilogy so the movies can play out the same (except Finn, he's pretty different)
@@DerpaTure9503 Han only joins the Rebels because he grows closer to his friends. The thought of fighting to free the galaxy never crossed his mind. Finn in TFA has this arc, but in TLJ he learns to fight for the cause not just his friends.
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These are great ideas! Finding ways of creating galactic conflict without undoing RotJ and streamlining some of the story elements in TLJ makes a lot of sense. The fact that so many talented people approached the sequel trilogy by shooting from the hip will go down as one of the most astonishing behind-the-scenes stories in Hollywood history
I say keep the ram, but don’t make it a light speed ram. Somehow have the pilot of the ship turn it around and crash it into Snoke’s ship. The lightspeed ram doesn’t fit with the rest of Star Wars and opens heaps of plot holes
Thematically speaking, I would’ve loved the Sequels to be about the end of the Jedi. Not a violent extinction like before, just the natural end of their age and their transition from reality to myth. It would’ve made sense. If the six Lucas movies were about the Force imposing huge losses and near extinction to the Jedi in order to show them their mistakes, the Sequels would’ve been about the Force telling them “you did good, you passed the test, you can rest now.”
From somebody who likes The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, I honestly can't think of a single thing here I wouldn't want to see and wouldn't make these movies better. Your ideas for The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are damn genius tbh. Side note: I'm also glad you acknowledge the things that truly do work in The Last Jedi. This just goes to shows just how much potential the trilogy had, especially with the first 2 movies. Just need a little tweaking. And I mean "a little" because they are nowhere near as bad as people say. EDIT: I also perfectly agree with completely remaking The Rise of Skywalker. Can't wait to see what you come up with!
To be fair, Lucas did not have a plan for the original trilogy either. Heck, he have not even had a good plan the first movie, changing it all the time. But at least he was at the helm for all three movies (and later for prequels). The switcheroo JJ->Rian->JJ really messed it up. Why the hell JJ did not direct all three? At least we would [hopefully] have some consistency. I don't hate prequels, although they could have been much better, given all the effort spend on it. The sequels are pure garbage.
I'd like to add that J.J. is not known for great resolutions, but mostly for his mystery boxes. So consistency would've only been an artistic one, not necessarily in terms of content!
Wow: After listening to so many people demand that the only way to fix TLJ is to recon it entirely, I can't explain how utterly happy it makes me to see someone that shares my opinion on where the strengths and weaknesses of that film are: and even shares almost the exact ideas I had on how it could be improved! Thank you so much for making this video! I can't wait to see your deeper opinions on how to fix tRoS.
I wouldn’t kill Luke at the end. It felt unnecessary. It also sucks that we lost all 3 OT characters. There is room for him in the final film. Also the milk scene was bad and should be removed. The Holdo part is tricky. Both Poe and Holdo come off as unlikable idiots. Holdo sending Poe on the mission and him messing up seems a lot more compelling than the way they did it where it seemed like they were trying to say that Holdo was better than Finn rather than he messed up and learned from it. Also aid change Holdo’s costume. She should wear a military uniform and not have died hair. She looks super unprofessional. Or maybe cut her out entirely and have Poe be the leader and mess up. Or maybe use Admiral Ackbar. A lot of the movie seemed to be trying to say certain characters are better than other characters which isn’t what the message should have been.
I just randomly thought "it would be cool if someone made a channel called film fix and they change terrible endings to movies and then i searched and found you lol good idea 😊
"you gotta keep the holdo maneuver in there" It was a good scene as far as cinematography goes but it utterly ruined the logic of every other space battle in the series. It has to go, full stop. Let her just fly into the Supremacy with sublight engines on maximum, have the guns of the entire fleet pummel the rebel ship but the speeding hulk of the ship slams into the bridge of the Supremacy, crippling it. It's not a great solution but it's one that doesn't invalidate the entirety of the lore regarding space warfare in the series. As for Holdo's plan in general, one of the solutions to that plot point that I'm surprised you didn't mention was the idea of a spy being aboard the rebel ship, as it pretty neatly and easily explains why Holdo isn't giving the details to Poe. Poe can still have his character arc through his hotheadedness and skepticism of Holdo leading him (and the audience) to question if there really is a spy aboard or if it's just an excuse made up by Holdo to buy time to make a decision she has no idea how to figure out.
@Tom Ffrench Star Wars isn’t about physics but it has its own rules. Did you even read this dude’s comment? He makes a lot of points besides “physics.” Hyperspace travel doesn’t follow physics, and neither does the way space flight happens. But we accept it because it’s consistent. The holdo maneuver retroactively ruins space battles that happened previously. Why not just have a bunch of droid-piloted ships holdo maneuver the Death Star in episode 4? Because when Lucas wrote it that wasn’t possible. Now it is and it retroactively creates this plot hole
How to fix holdo: "I'm worried there is a spy" Also remove the hyperspace tracker and have it be a spy And also make holdo act like an authoritarian general, not the moral police that treats her subordinates like children
At the end of the The Last Jedi, they should have ended the movie with a scene where the Knights of Ren discover that the Emperor is still alive and he reveals to them that he has a grand daughter with sith powers, and then the movie ends with a shot of Rey. The Rise of Skywalker would have been a completely different movie then.
Great video very entertaining. I myself have been thinking the same and with ROS I really wanted them to play off Kylo being the supreme leader instead of forcing the emperor back. Kylo is the best character in these films and it would of been cool to see them make a film that continues his conflicts with his decisions like killing his father. Still having him turn good and then him fighting the empire aka first order he built.
I would have been more on board with that if he was a credible threat. Lets be honest, up until ROS, he has never won a fight against Rey. Rey shouldn’t have won that fight in TFA. Even then he hasn’t shown to be more competent than Snoke in leading the First Order as he’s constantly letting his emotions get the better of him. Honestly, if the Resistance weren’t so few in numbers at Crait, I honestly believe that Kylo would have lost.
If Kylo Ren were a good villain, I would say he would be out of character. They should never have killed Snoke in the first place. Kylo is better with a redemption arch.
Hearing all those other ideas for starting from scratch really made me wish they gave the series to someone who really knew the series. Maybe one day someone will fund a knock off star wars trilogy using similar names and genderswaps like epistle 3 Love the video, btw!
That was perfect. The moment you said if we don't rewrite it how do we change it...an ad came up with clips of movies where everyone simply said "no". Lol
I agree with you completely. Especially on keeping the Luke story as it is. I never thought of making Phasma the better Hux but I love the idea. Such wasted potential. I would've kept the Snoke dying thing, the 3rd movie would've been Kyko in full control of the order but with Phasma and the crew not trusting his judgement and making a mutiny. So he's kicked off the order and his knights would follow along and cause trouble for Rey and the resistance. They probably see her as a threat that will bring back the Jedi or something and the first order just doesn't care about focusing their military might on her cuz it makes sense to keep expanding and conquering the rest of the galaxy? Idk
Thank you for not being one of those people who just say this thing is bad I'm gonna say why it's bad in an hour long video while being overly negative the whole time
I walked out of Froce Awakens, because I already saw where this was all going, very quickly. Not what I wanted to see. Still, they got my money for all of these circuses of clumsy writing, bad character development, plot holes, and appallingly lazy industrial design. I don't blame the actors at all. It is, as you say, poor writing. The Mandalorian is infinitely more interesting than JJ & Rian's slop ( Hire me ;] )
For the trilogy to work it had have a reason to be told in the first place. Start with an established Luke Skywalker led Jedi and original characters and centre the first movie around an introduction of an antagonist and major event. Introduce the new characters gradually towards the end (TFA had it all backwards). The antagonist needed to be bigger and overarching, someone like “the son” or plageuis or the true sith army to add to the saga instead of damaging it by rehashing old ones. Make the lore bigger by telling a deep diving story, not a shallow gimmicky, lazy collection of movies. We needed a very strong reason to undo the RoTJ happy ending.
You could keep Star Killer base and just have the heroes fail to destroy it. That would show the audience that these characters can fail as well as establishing a conflict for the rest of the trilogy.
Knowing we'll never be able to fix the sequel trilogy, it's almost enough for me to watch videos like this and speculate, because my head canon and the head canon of devoted star wars fans like me is almost enough excitement in and of itself, and will no doubt force me to continue giving disney my hard earned dollars.
Hi I've written my own "fix" of TFA and am now writing TLJ's and planning to do the while trilogy. I tasked myself with not straying away too far from the narrative while correcting flaws and expanding on themes that were touched upon. If you want to take a look at my fix of The Force Awakens, please send me a message and I'll send you the text by email. Thank you
It's a good thing you're taking a different route than the usual ranting channels that complain. Breath of fresh air from what I've seen since the release.
In your next video, can you comment more on the Rey-Kylo Force connection? It was my favorite part of The Last Jedi and was a bit wasted in Rise of Sywalker
@@CenterRow A) Thank's for the reply B) The general idea in The Last Jedi was that Rey and Ben have a special connection through the Force that is far stronger than What Luke and Darth Vader had in the originals, that they were two sides of the same coin- one was betrayed by his mentor Luke and the other was succesfully(?) mentored by him, one is the son of two of the greates heroes in the galaxy and the other is the daughter of nobodys' (I'm doing a J.J. Abrams here and ignoring the last movie). So I think an intresting way to climax their story is in kind of a reverse Harry Potter- that one would have to kil the other to defeat Palpatine. But unlike HP where the protagonist and antagonist hated each other, the majority of their stories in Rise of Skywalker would be spent on forging thei connection (Emotionally and... Forcily?). So that the climax would be that much more emotionally intensive and with real stakes. I would actually have Rey die instead of Kylo though I can't really phrase why I feel that. But that's just one concept, waiting for your take. I'm sure it'll be much better :)
Interesting! Honestly that bit of the story has the most potential but has been the hardest to pin down. We'll see if I can come up with something cool there.
It was cool. Yeah it made no sense in Star Wars and yeah it undermines a lot and yeah it’s kinda dumb and opens a bunch of plot holes, but it was still cool. The visuals were epic
I absolutely love your take at fixing these movies. Personally, I'm glad these 3 movies exist, for both the good and bad reasons - because it's all above growth in the realm of cinema. The movies are good because, for me, they sparked so much inspiration and 'feel-good' moments. The movies are bad for the reasons we know, but it creates videos like this, teaching young filmmakers how to make films like this better. It's all about growth. But yeah, I loved this video. You could've made Holdo an antagonist, like a mole in the republic resistance. Just an idea
*Here's how you actually fix it:* Don't attach it to George Lucas's original eps. 1-6 Skywalker saga at all. Disney incensed the masses by having the audacity to tease fans with the original characters. They were soon revealed to be nothing more than box office bait to bring in the longtime fans, only for them to see Disney's new characters upstage and diminish them at every turn. Attaching this totally unnecessary trilogy to the broader Skywalker epic is the real issue here. The hate wouldn't be nearly as vitriolic had Disney simply launched their own individual trilogy that introduced these new characters-- leaving the original characters out altogether --as opposed to including them in order to commit blasphemy; forcing us to accept this trilogy by attaching it to the story George Lucas told.
All I wanted was a faithful adaptation of Lucas' actual VII-IX storyline with Lucas himself acting as an adviser for the movies -- which is what we were initially led to believe was going to happen. The core saga *was* SW to me... but since the ST has been so badly botched, I just don't care anymore.
What is wrong with the Midi-Chlorians? They aren't the Force but a tool that helps a Force-Sensitives to use the Force. The amount doesn't determine the power level but it is easier with more and hard with less but training is what matters at power level. The Whills where there since before the first film in 1977. We are cars and the Whills drive us using the Midi-Chlorians. Seriously what was wrong with the Midi-Chlorians? They don't take the mystery of the Force but the Whills sorta do but that is the point for George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy to explain the Force.
@@DerpaTure9503 Not "scientific or solid". Would you call a wrench or other building tools the reason a computer works? That is what Midi-Chlorians are a wrench and the Force the building two different things. Watch is amazing video: th-cam.com/video/U4yXH-mjKB4/w-d-xo.html
@@DerpaTure9503 Mystical or scientific. Doesn't matter. To me Midi-Chlorians don't ruin anything or take the mystery out of the Force but does the opposite to me. The Midi-Chlorians created more mystery to me. Star Wars is science fiction. Why are people against the science part of science fiction?
@@DerpaTure9503 Excluding being a tool helping a Force-User use the Force & measuring a personal power level if correctly trained what do the Midi-Chlorians explain scientifically?
@@DerpaTure9503 I am done. They do explain stuff but don't bother me and not consider them a bad thing like most people. In RPG games every player gets a max personal level cap if correctly trained. Without that a player goes into God mode. With the Midi-Chlorians everyone is on God mode look at Rey from the Sequel Trilogy. She is in God mode until Garddad Sheev became the first good challenger for her until she gets God mode super charged. Tell me Midi-Chlorians help not dystroy unless you Saitama from the Anime "One Punch Man" where he removed his personal limit and plays on God mode and became a sad boy from it.
Tbh in retrospective I like how everything turned out. I LOVED Rise of Skywalker cuz it fixed what was wrong with TLJ. Force Awakens was aight. Even TLJ itself isn't that bad on rewatch and with context. The ONLY problem I have rn with the Sequels is the disrespect to the legacy characters, as they undo everything that Anakin, Obi Wan, Luke, Han, and Leia fought so hard for. BUT, in its defense, THAT'S LIFE! Not everything is color pink and people die sooner or later, happiness is not forever as we'd like to believe. If you can accept that as I did then the Sequels aren't bad by any means. Agree? Disagree? Let's chat!
I thought this was an excellent and interesting video. I just wanted to comment and say that I love your use of Holst’s “The Planets” in the background. John Williams’ inspiration!!!!
Looking forward to the next installment. I enjoyed The Last Jedi a lot and wish The Rise of Skywalker hadn't spent so much time trying to undo it. However, enjoying TLJ doesn't mean I think it's impossible to improve it! I certainly find your fixes intriguing. And unambiguously I think your version of The Force Awakens would've been better.
My Episode IX would go something like this: >open up on the first Order ( Phasma or hux) having a mutiny on Kylo. >kylo then uses the force bond with Rey to convince him to run away together. rey refuses, but is tempted by the offer. >have the resistance (I like the new republic better) do better at this pont using dreadnought hyperspace holdo maneuvers to gain the tide over the first order. > the first order creates a counter to the holdo maneuver, like some hyperspace jammer (I'm pretty sure that exists in canon anyway) to lure them into a trap, crush a large portion of the resistance. > now with the resistance weakened, the whole team (Rey, finn, Poe, BB8, and chewie) must find kylo as he might have important info to help stop the first order > Rey senses the dark side calling to Kylo. They must go to prevent him from discovering ancient sith macguffin. > subplot: finn encounters other stormtrooper deserters and is convinced he should help the stormtroopers. > subplot: poe has an arch of some kind (I honestly dont know what to with poe) > at that planet, Rey confronts kylo. There they discover .. anything but Palatine. I'll say Darth plagueis for fan service purposes. > Darth plagueis escaped young palpy using the force, but he's stuck on the planet. He trained Snok. Now, he wants kylo as his apprentice/puppet > after being manipulated by snok his whole life and the betrayal of the first order, he refuses officially turning to the light side. > he then offers Rey his apprenticeship. Convincing her that she can make a legacy with the dark side of the force. (In this she wouldn't be a palpy, she would be a no one) > Rey agree and escapes (there can be a extra ship there or something) to the first order. With her information and dark side power. They can crush the resistance and win. > unable to defeat plagueis, kylo goes with the crew back to the resistance. Kylo explains the first order weaknesses. > the final act can be kylo trying to turn the Rey back. Poe being boss fighter pilot to break through enemy line s to stop the hyperspace jammer. Finn can try and un-indoctrinate the stormtroopers. >epilogue: rey back on the side of good and kylo a goodie, they kill darth plagueis and start a new force order. Idk what ideas you have for your film fix of the rise of Skywalker, but here's mine.
I mean Kathleen Kennedy fired the original director for episode 9 which was the same director for Jurassic world. Episode 9 would be so different if he directed it as it would be fully original cause he has great ideas though Kathleen Kennedy looked at the first draft for the movie and said nope and instantly fired him not giving him a second chance which then Kathleen Kennedy though it would be a better idea to put a (*stars wars veteran*) in charge of episode 9 which was JJ abrams.
@@Turbulation1 I assumed that the main reason for the failure for Episode IX was due to studio interference, however that makes it seem like they were just shooting themselves in the foot.
Fallen Friend the last hope for episode 9 being better is if the JJ cut gets released which the cut had a lot of great stuff including force ghost anakin. Though Disney (Kathleen Kennedy) decided to cut all of that to make the film what it is right now.
It seems like they listened a little _too_ much to fans complaining about the politics of the Prequels, and completely removed all mention in the sequels, which is arguably worse. It creates so many questions.
I had a really fleshed out idea similar to yours regarding the Academy. It would take place a few years after the academy was founded. Luke as Grandmaster personally trained most of the oldest current masters. But during the early years of the new order, he gave himself a new, secret mission in life, to restore balance to the cosmic force by cleaning/purifying/curing areas stained by the dark side, like temples, fortresses, and entire planets. After training new masters, he eventually brings them onto the project after doing rigorous tests of his more experimental teaching techniques and lessons. Namely: training to better defend against dark side influence by teaching students to better control emotions, not suppress them, and better identify padawans who weren't taking lessons to heart. One major theme is how people and societies need to learn from past mistakes, namely: that the old order's methods of dealing with emotions like anger created more sith than expected, and that becoming too subservient and connected to the republic blinded the order to their higher purpose and further exposed more padawans to the dark side through the horrors of the war. I have tons of ideas on the main characters, their motivations, fears, setbacks, challenges, strengths, and overall arcs. Mara Jade was an Inquisition straggler who wanted to take revenge on Luke. He brings her to the light, and marries her. She becomes a motherly figure to the younglings and something of a renowned teacher and sage. She also leads the archiving project. Luke's second in command and the first regular Master of the Academy. Let's call him... Snoke. Snoke was the first Jedi brought into the cleanup project as he was one of Luke's closest confidants. Unfortunately, Luke hadn't perfected his training methods when teaching Snoke, so while on a mission to a Dark Side temple (non-sith, I wanna introduce dark side cults to the general audience), Snoke stumbles upon an ancient prototype holocron, digs too deep, and awakens to a dangerous dark side ideology shortly thereafter. He secretly commanders part of the Order's archives, mostly some of the secret stuff Luke stored, and starts forming a cult within the academy. Slowly gaining more padawans and eventually masters within his secret ranks, and he further spreads his new cult outside the academy to non-sensitives as a religion (like the old cults) and some force sensitives are brought up outside the academy fully under the cult's doctrine. Luke and Jade have a son. They only have one kid cause I want to have non-skywalkers as my main protagonists, but if necessary, she can be luke's daughter. I just feel that her being a Skywalker would make her more connected to Luke than her master, when that kind of ruins my idea for their arcs and put into question why Luke wasn't her master. Leia and Han have kids, they have the least defined place rn, maybe their older son is the main's master, idk. The Main character, let's go with... Jenny for now. And while we're at it, her Master is Odein, and her co-padawan is Kyla. You heard me, Odein has two padawans simultaneously, and for good reason. Jenny and Kyla hate eachother's guts. Whether it's because they have an increasingly unhealthy rivalry, or because of fundamental disagreements in philosophy and ideals, they hate each other at the beginning. Luke, fearing that this hate will legitimately throw one or both of them to the dark side, puts then under the tutelage of Odein, a previously fellow padawan and recently knighted Jedi the two looked up to. They both have a close bond with him, seeing him as a brotherly figure of high regard and kindness. Luke hopes that between Odein's compassion and care for the girls, and their mutual respect and admiration of him, they can mend the rift between themselves and overcome their inner darkness. Other important notes: Celibacy isn't a thing now cause Luke developed a training, that when completed, allows Jedi to have a full understanding and control of their emotions, especially in romantic situations, that allow a Jedi to express and feel strongly aligned emotions without it clouding their judgement. This is done as a rite of passage for padawans, and was developed as an early tool for them to more easily overcome the challenges of becoming a force ghost and becoming one with the cosmic force. Odein's arc would focus on his feelings of inadequacy over the state of his pupil's relationship and his own inability to let go of his fears, worries, and attachments to become one with the force and dispel his inner darkness. Luckily, he has fully mastered his unique lightsaber style: a balanced style that uses a double bladed saber but switches between one blade for offense and two for defense (plus a third option of toggling between using each blade separately for defense and countering in tight/small spaces or areas with little room for letting his second blade fly about unchecked; it'd look almost identical to his double bladed style, but with the two blades quickly going on and off as to avoid hitting the area and others around him that would normally be hit by his extra blade sticking out). Jenny's arc (btw she's a single blade user) would mainly focus on her feelings of inadequacy for her defensive skills, fighting off the darkness in her heart over her hatred for Kyla, while struggling with trying to legitimately work it out with her. She also feels guilty that she can't take Odein's defensive lessons and lessons on her emotional growth to heart. Kyla's journey is coming to grips with her need for perfection in her training, her feelings of unfounded jealousy for Jenny's strength in the force, and her superiority complex over how her lightsaber training and technique surpasses Jenny's (btw, I imagine her with a four bladed cross spear: three blades on the top in a cross, a single blade at the butt of the staff, and the entire casing and sleeve are made of saber resistant material that she was rewarded with during her schooling (basically good little younglings and padawans are rewarded with increasingly personalized requests for lightsaber parts as they get more familiarized with their weapon and fighting styles of choice)). As well as a feeling of competition over Odein's attention, perhaps not even romantic love, but a legitimate feeling of jealousy over a perceived stealing of sibling-level emotional bonding with Odein as he was frequently their tutor as younglings and tasked with watching over the two years prior. Finally (for now) Luke's son, Ben. Ben has a dark side complex. One that is thematically reflected on the two heroines as a possible path they may end up following if they're not careful. He falls to the teachings of Snoke and slowly edges towards the dark side, and is increasingly obsessed with their missions to dark side sites. As a side note, as Luke's techniques become refined, he entrust the help of the greater order and academy to assist in his cleanup project as more stable masters and padawans are now trained (Snoke padawans and catches notwithstanding). Also, Luke and Leia are struggling with getting the perfect balance of power between the order and Republic. They agree that the direct ties led to the old ones' falls before, but have difficulty understanding how much autonomy each should have over each other at all. Since tons of dark side sites are located in potential or active war zones (some straggling empire local governments, or pirate/gang factions, etc.), Luke feels his order should have cart blanch clearance to these areas. In addition he feels the order should simultaneously be allowed to potentially back forces that resist or downright despise the republic if he or the order overall feels that they have legitimate claim to grievances. This is an ongoing political conflict further involving the council and Senate. Now Luke needs to figure out how to not have history repeat, and with a new potential dark lord rising, it quite might. I also have a whole AMAZING climactic fight for the second movie with the three main in a 3-on-3 with the cult's top knights, that leads to the tragic death of Odein with a hyper emotional send off with him finally letting go of his fears and regrets as he sees that the two finally came to the realization that they need to move past their differences and take his teachings fully to heart. I also have most of the fight scene planned out with Odein (is that really the name I kept going with?!?!) getting a really fucking cool last lightsaber move taking advantage of his double blades in a hollers situation. This is actually my more clean exploration of this idea I've refined over writing it down constantly in similar comment sections as I flex my ideas. Cheers!
You have convinced me that there need to be new stories...this trilogy is beyond repair because so many changes would have to be made. I like TFA and always will but it is where the issues begin.
"in a military, higher ups don't need to explain their actions" 1 in a military someone like holdo wouldn't be a higher up. 2. even if, good leaders do explain their actions, especially in a situation like this, since they need their soldiers trust. leaders need their soldiers trust, she actively provokes mutiny. overall, your ideas aren't bad, and well informed by expanded lore knowlege, but you still have too thick rosetinted goggles on for all the crap in these abominable movies, and their perpetrators, as to strip it down far enough.
It’s just his opinion of the movies. Not everyone has to agree with you that they’re terrible. I don’t think they’re terrible, but I don’t think they’re great either. People have their own opinions and you should respect that.
I think the Poe/Holdo plot would work if they had a line about how they think there’s a spy in the fleet, because the FO keeps finding their location when they jump into hyperspace. Then later in the movie they could discover that the FO had invented hyperspace tracking, so there was no spy after all. If there was suspicion of a spy in the ship, Holdo acting secretive would make complete sense. But Poe could still be hotheaded and believe that if she has a plan he should be entitled to know it, and he’d be offended that she can’t see that he’s obviously loyal and not the spy.
I pretty much agree with everything that you've said. If it was up to me I would've also made sure that characters like Ackbar, Connix and Nien Nunb were used more and had more lines throughout the trilogy.
I think a pretty simple way to fix the whole Holdo subplot would have been for them to suspect a spy aboard the ship. Holdo doesn't tell Poe because she doesn't trust him to be able to keep the plan a secret, and his obnoxious behavior only reinforces that; on the opposite end he jumps to assuming she's actually trying to undermine the resistance, and so his jump to mutiny feels a bit more natural without undermining his learning arc.
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Um... I think the best thing that COULD have been done with the Holdo Manuever is have ADMIRAL ACKBAR do the manuever instead. That would make his stupid death actually mean something, and not have to introduce another character.
Holdo isn't THAT bad, but they just did a huge disgrace to Ackbar.
And have Captain Phasma be the person who replaces Hux in everything... And it would be SUPER cool if SHE was the spy in TROS, and maybe even keep her alive? It also would have been cool to see Commander Pyre from the Resistance TV show actually do something :)
There are a few things that would make the films okay. Don't kill off Han Luke and Leia is the main thing. Look at the book franchise. Did they sell more books by killing off the core of Star Wars? That would be stupid as hell to kill off the driving force of your books, even WITH new characters to fill in, there is still a lot to tell with Luke and Han and Leia. It really hurt the fan base, it was an unwise move that they could have saved for six or seven films later. Palpatine was also a stretch, replace him with a twin of Snoke or a clone and that would tie things together well, how he could have such a hold on Ben. Twins would be very powerful.
“No one wants to hear what my version of an entirely different film would look like” .... uh I would.
Great! Cause you are about to get it!
I would too because I believe we have better visions then Disney.
I'm not a screenwriter or, heck any other type of writer for that matter, but even I think can make a better story for the Sequel trilogy than what Disney shat out.
Myself as well. I saw RoS yesterday knowing it had problems and tried to enjoy it for what it was. It had its moments and I think it was better than TLJ, but still, there was plenty that just didn't thematically stick. Would love to see Center Row's take on a new film!
I’ve been writing my own version of TLJ using the trailers as guidepoints, but an entirely new story. I have 41 pages so far (probably 15-20 more to go).
How to fix the sequels: don't do John Boyega dirty
Yes!
finn was a superfluous character, as was rose.
@@MELODYMUNRO Finn was initially going to share the spotlight with Rey a bit more equally, but unfortunately (and largely due to racism from higher-ups) got shunted to the background after The Force Awakens. As the series stands now, narratively, Finn plays a MUCH smaller role than Rey (though I wouldn't go so far as to call him or Rose entirely superfluous). But originally, he was supposed to be much more relevant. I'm not sure what happened to Rose, but in any case I enjoyed what little I did get to see of her character, and I'm still rather upset that both Rose and Finn were nigh irrelevant to the plot, and I'm VERY upset about how Disney bowed to the whims of a bunch of racists at the cost of the mental well-being of two of the big actors of one of the most profitable franchises in cinema. They deserved better; even if they were in small roles in small films, they would've deserved better, so I think it heinous that a giant media monopoly with loads of money and cultural power would treat actors poorly and make racists feel justified.
@E115 my thoughts exactly!
And don't retcon Finn and Poe's budding relationship (but make it discreet because homophobic markets).
Honestly, I think Rey should've turned to the dark side at some point in the trilogy, as it would give her a meaningful struggle and much needed depth to her character.
I concur! You may want to check out part 2 of this video when it comes out...
I think when Kylo asks to join him in episode 8 she should have joined. It's the same situation at episode 5 but completely flips the narrative. Would make episode 9 far more interesting. Make Finn's arc in episode 7 and 8 him becoming a Jedi. Then episode 9 is Finn trying turn Rey and Kylo to the light side.
I'll stick my neck out there and admit something... I'm a Reylo fan.
Now before anyone sticks me up on a cross, I'm interested in Reylo not because Adam Driver is hot or whatever justification preteen minds come up with. I wanted to see the dynamics of change that they could bring about in each other.
From the get go, Kylo Ren tried to convert Rey to the dark side, but she was able to see past his figurative mask to the good that still existed within him. What I wanted from Reylo, romantic or otherwise, was a push and pull between light and dark that eventually equalizes into something grey.
Kylo Ren could return to being Ben Solo, tortured by his decisions but determined to move forward. After the murder of his own father, the heartache of his mother, and Rey's constant proding at what's left of his conscience, Ben could come back to the light, if only a little. He could realize (most likely through Leia, not Rey) that his grandfather's legacy wasn't one of tyranny and injustice, but one of sacrifice, redemption, and love in spite of all consuming hatred.
Rey could have been Rey Palpatine, the young nobody who became a hero overnight. Someone who's praises were sung high and low. Someone who became obsessed with their own image as a hero. As a wielder of power. Someone who starts falling down a slippery slope into darkness that is only fueled by her dark legacy.
Between the two of them, they constantly battle against their rage and regret to bring true balance and peace to the galaxy their own way. Not the Sith way. Not the Jedi way. Something entirely new. A path they've thrown each other into, but nonetheless a path they walk together. That's what I was hoping a "force diade" would amount to. That's why I thought Reylo could work.
Or at least her be highly tempted by it.
I think the struggle with the Dark Side should have been more explored in ROS
They should've just had a roadmap planned by a good fantasy writer who understands soap operas and who's a real big star wars fan, and then make sure to stick to that roadmap.
Also, having the same director for all three, who's dedicated and also a huge fan of star wars.
I think Lucas should've just been consulted on whether he thinks the settings, powers, and creatures are appropriate and in keeping with the world.
Agree on all three points.
You would think actually planning out your story would be common sense... but nope, not for Disney.
Having different directors is fine. Although it’s crucial that they have the same writers throughout all 3.
@@AbrahamEspino1 could work but I think keeping the same director is just the easiest way to achieve a consistency in tone
@@zusfrankenstein8561 these are progressive writers.
Story planning requires sequential reasonning, knowing how one decision can impact the future.
Clearly not their strongsuit.
"I am in no way claiming I'm smarter or more talented than Disney or Kathleen Kennedy."
Uhh, anyone who would have planned an overall story arc out in advance, is smarter than Disney.
There is a difference though, and it’s called humility. Being humble and admitting that just because something sounds better in YOUR head doesn’t mean that it will translate well to others is the best way to have the audience agree with you even if they don’t like what you present them with. It shows them that you’re conscious about the fact that their opinions may vary and that it’s okay if they disagree. By saying “I am not claiming to be smarter or more talented than Disney or Kathleen Kennedy,” he’s letting the people who DO like the sequels, because they do exist, that his opinion and his ideas are not to be taken seriously. Besides, not everything that Kathleen Kennedy has done has been awful. She’s had some good moments and she was even at George Lucas’ side for a lot of years which is how she got the job as president of Star Wars in the first place. Let’s not forget that she also produced Rogue One, and she was a part of The Mandalorian. She had Carrie Fishers blessing as a boss and she canonizes the female R2 droid that a child cancer patient made as a fan creation, which she didn’t have to do or even acknowledge. She’s not a bad person just because you don’t like the movie she green lit. Just like Rian isn’t a bad person for making a movie you didn’t enjoy. People seem to forget that nowadays.
@@mateom1691 I think it is more their mindsets on it (plus their reactions to how fans took it) and how they went about it than how the actual movies turned out.
@@mateom1691 what about his trolling star wars fans,come on the guys a dick
@@mateom1691 Life isnt or shouldnt always be about convincing or calming every person,some are already lost,as obi-wan would put it or arent worth it
Edward Cochran If you can hate his movie, and if people can call harassment valid opinions just because you don’t like a movie, why can’t he fire back??? Doesn’t make him an asshole, it makes him someone who’s gonna fire back at you with his own opinions. Besides he has already said that he appreciates the loyal and passionate fan base who didn’t like what he created. Comparing what people have said about him and the actors, I’d say what Rian says and does is totally valid. He’s not harassing anyone. He’s not sending death threats. But he truly doesn’t give a fuck if you like his movie or not, and that automatically makes him a “bad person.”
Luke as a lonely hermit being somewhat broken and hopeless? Sure, great idea for tension in the plot.
But that whole 'trying to kill a family member because of the suspicion he could turn to the dark side'-thing is just ridiculous.
Not just ridiculous but more so lazy the way they display it. Oh this is what happens with Luke (ten second weird out of place luke scene of him over Bens bed). 🤦♂️
Its hard to believe that the same guy who believed in the good side of Anakin until the end just tries to murder his nephew because of the feeling that he could turn to the dark side 😅
@@feuerhirn if he had an issue he'd confront him front center and mature like. Not sneaky. Never ever sneaky.
I agree, Luke chose negotiation over violence when he went to Jabba the Hutt's fortress on Tatooine. He tried to cheat Jabba, not to kill him! And he was no more than a fat lizard guarded by swines. No sane writer would depict that Jedi the way Johnson did. They told him: "We need new heroes, kill everyone else!"... and his answer was a joyful "Yes sir!"
How to fix the sequels: Have Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau direct them.
Maybe have Dave write them. His episodes of The Mandalorian aren't the best directed.
@@CenterRow im not feeling any of the marvel guys on this. I just know we're gonna get star wars out of disneys hands somehow
Yes! I really dont know why they didnt. Dave filoni has proven time again that he understands the star wars characters and universe better than anyone besides probably George himself. Jon favreau directing and filoni writing would have been amazing.
Yes Filoni should have written and Favreau should have direct episode 7 and set up the story arc using Lucas’ outline.
@@CenterRow jokes on you for Chapter 13
One good fix for both Holdo & Rose: have Rose be the traitor who sells them out to the first order and have Holdo be aware that there is a traitor but unaware of who the traitor is.
For example Rose could have sold them out because the First Order was keeping a member of her family hostage (like her sister that we see early in the movie, have her captured instead of dying). That would also explain why Holdo doesn't tell her plan to anyone as she knows she cannot trust everyone aboard the ship.
Huh interesting
That’s amazing. That just made me admire your fantasy version of holdo, that would’ve been such a good plot.
Sees a video about a rewrite of the sequels
“This is where the fun begins”
Hope you had fun
@@CenterRow when's part 2
I’m also awaiting part 2 👍
Next week, hopefully! Shooting for Tuesday, but no promises, this video is long...
Sweet! Should be out next week!
Honestly, my problem with the sequel is that whenever I watched Star Wars or played any of the video games prior to the sequel's release, I had a feeling of familiarity when watching them. However, the sequels are too artificial and refined and it doesn't feel like I am watching Star Wars
Totally agree
@@CenterRow Yeah. I think its mostly because of the 3D logo. The old merchandise and the Lego games felt like Star Wars. The Remake trilogy is not Star Wars. Its just a refined fan film
@@thevfxmancolorizationvfxex4051 A good way to put it!
It certainly didn't feel like star wars to me, felt like an imitation by people have been told about star wars but have never actually seen it
To me it seems like there are two main opposing problems.
The movies at times cling so desperately to characters or "star wars things", only to break some of the unspoken universe rules and that makes it feel shallow.
You get too much recycled world (ofc you need to use some it) and then some new pieces that don't really fit.
I’ll take the old Star Wars anytime of day
I mean...yeah...
Center Row I’ll even go as far as to take the ones with bad CGI
skem that’s ok I’ll just stick to the old ones
@Toxic Potato Except acting and dialogue have NEVER been main focal points of a SW movie. Still not sure why they suddenly were to many people when the prequels came out. : P The more contemporary-sounding dialogue of the ST frankly put me off more than any of the stylized '30s/'40s movie speak of the first 6 movies.
And what plot holes exist in the OT and PT??
If you mean the original star wars trilogy then yes. If you talk about the shitty prequels then no.
I feel like Kylo going from a villain chasing Vader's legacy to converting back to the good would've worked as an overarching story if Rise of Skywalker didn't bring back Palpatine and really just executed the whole conclusion better. I think killing Snoke worked because it allowed for a lot more exploration into Kylo and internal conflicts but Rise of Skywalker decided to retcon an actual good decision and go nowhere with Kylo besides continuously trying to join forces with Rey and ultimately converting to defeat Palpatine.
I love Kylo's character arc, not such a big fan of Palpatine coming back. But I agree!
@@CenterRow Tbh I could've been really down with Palpatine returning...but as a force ghost. Jedi can do it so why not the most powerful sith ever? I think this idea would've worked if there was just one, single line in The Last Jedi where Palpatine's voice says *something* to Kylo. But still the actual plot of The Rise of Skywalker needs changing. I thought I was gonna get to see a force ghost battle between Palpatine and Yoda, Luke, throw Obi-Wan and Anakin there too. I thought it was interesting that Yoda revealed he could interact with the world as a ghost and still is extremely powerful in his scene in TLJ but they never expanded on that.
@@Loris71734 I'd have been down with Palpatine as a force ghost.
Rey being overpowered is the first big screw-up of the trilogy.
She can suddenly fly ships out of nowhere, and use advanced Force techniques, like mind control, without training. The implication is that she was born with these abilities, and that her lineage mattered. So all of a sudden, the Force is just this superpower you're born with, and not something you train in for years. People complain that Midichlorians were the first time this issue arose, but they forget that even Anakin had to train for over 2 decades, and still got bested by Obi-Wan. Rey's superhero powers make no sense within Star Wars canon, and either the Prequels and Originals are NOT canon, or the Sequels are NOT canon. My head-cannon is that the Sequels are not canon, so I don't really care if they suck overall.
Even more Than her being a Mary Sue by itself, because everything is easy to her she doesn't come off as a 3D character but rather an aimless God who doesn't "want" anything because she can do just fine in every scenario, think about it, even if the bad guys win Kylo AND palpatine want her alive, Kylo even ditches his whole First Order plus new sith fleet just because she basicly said "if u good we bang". She was doing fine on Jakku, everyone liked her on the good guy's team, 2 out of 3 of the main bad guys liked her, she didn't need Luke to train her (and in fact he didn't) she had all the skills she wanted and that makes her a character that doesn't "miss" anything, so she doesn't "want" anything. She's a passive character that the plot has to drag along, so she's just imbued with godlike powers to forcefully make her a part of the story. As all (good) superhero movies teach us: "if you're nothing without the suit, you shouldn't have it"
Yeah besides it's not an issue pf overpowered its she has no real character flaws. Anakin messed up, was too headstrong, quick to anger, made mistakes. sure lots of skills but flaws and other weaknesses outside of the force and fighting (plus he trained and lost his hand and lost to obiwan) she however does not. Hulk has power but limited control and intelligence, thor is cocky and not too bright, iron man is overconfident, alcoholic, prideful, etc. It's not power but that her power is her character shes just good at everything and the backstory to those skills and weaknesses are what sculpt what she lacks. Instead we get a desert orphan who never saw an ocean who can instantly pilot boats through 50 foot waves. You can't give flaws based on her family history at the end of the trilogy and expect it to count.
Good point, guys. But there are still folks out there who will defend Rey to the end. I'm with you two about Rey. What a shame for me! I was beginning to like Rey until I realised she's a Mary Sue.
She also has zero character development. Shes the same at the end of Tros as she was at the start of Tfa. Such a boring character. I can tell someone who finn is as a character and po to, but rey.. i got nothing.
@@keelobrown4991 in short, Rey is a power fantasy, the kinds you see in very poorly written fanfiction. Which coincidentally is what the sequel trilogy is - very poorly written fanfiction.
Remember the scene of Saruman and Gandalf fighting over the weather as Gandalf tries to lead the Fellowship over the mountain pass?
That should have been Luke and Snoke fighting over the soul of Ben Solo through the force. Luke might have realized that he lost, walked into Ben's cabin, and felt the presence of the dark side, as if it wasn't Ben in that bed at all, it was Snoke !!
Interesting!
You just fixed that entire interaction and made it interesting. Maybe hinting that Snoke is slowly taking over and becoming Ben.
When in doubt, look to a similar situation in Tolkien. A wise approach 😁
I would have started the trilogy with kylo’s decent into the dark side. It’s a more interesting story and arc, the third movie would end with him becoming the leader of the first order. In the series we would have more snoke, knights of ren, leia, Han and Luke but with a different story than the original trilogy. And after that then we can pick up from where TFA starts but those movies wouldn’t be the trash we were presented.
Definitely agree that Kylo's story is the best bit of the trilogy
Rian Johnson didn't "tie off" JJ Abrams' plot threads. He cut them off.
The patient is still bleeding out fcs
Abrams shouldn't have started a trilogy with so many unanswered questions
@@El_oh7199 but they were more intresting than the last jedi plus we dont know what he wanted to in the last jedi i wish abrams took the last jedi
@@DRZ23501ST I wish they'd let Trevorrow do Episode 9
@@El_oh7199 but then who would have done 7 and 8
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Center Row yay! Great video btw!
God bless you folks
Finally, a critic who doesn’t hate on disney every second they can.
Also, I like the whole luke plot too. Probably my favorite line in the whole sequel trilogy is: “you think I came to the most unfindable place in the galaxy just to go back and defeat the whole first order with a lazer sword?”
But there was a map?
@@Axelovskji yes. That map is to the island, not to Luke. Luke used that map to find the island and that's it. He didn't leave it to be found. Our heroes thought he left it. Just like most of the audience thought he wanted to be found. Thinking deeper it doesn't make any sense for someone to go into hiding, leaving a piece of the map, just to be found in case, instead of just not going in hiding in the first place.
@@i-deni-i5138 but why is it called "the map to luke skywalker" then? and how does everybody know that *"this specific map leads to luke"*
it *is not* possible to know that, unless he told someone where he was going (or conveniently left a map with R2), which contradicts the two movies
@@Axelovskji Han states those that knew Luke best thought where he went to. That's why they call it a map to Luke. It makes sense to call it that because they are searching for him.
@@i-deni-i5138 but if the location of the first jedi temple was so well known, why did luke go there and call it unfindable? (and R2 still has the map piece)
Forget Hux. Forget Phasma. This trilogy needed THRAWN.
That could have served Kylo's story in so many ways.
1) Obviously as a foil. Thrawn is older, more experienced, calmer, more collected. Feared and RESPECTED by his men (and Snoke, by extension).
This could be used to get under Kylo's skin even more as he comes off as a petulant child by comparison--and as the films establish, Smoke continues to talk down to him, while treating Thrawn as a respected equal, etc, etc.
Thrawn would also be a very natural explanation for why the First Order rises so quickly.
AND he would be a walking fan service target for both Legends fans AND Disney extended universe by way of Rebels.
BUT if they were going to bring in Thrawn, then that would entail a commitment to the space battles portion of Star Wars, which this trilogy pretty solidly neglected.
jjbb84x Bring in Mara Jade as Luke's established wife while you're at it! As a former Dark Side user herself, she might have an interesting perspective on her nephew, Ben.
Thrawn would have been great!
Mara Jade also would have been great!
Or Prince Xizor
Ysanne Isard
(Captain America voice: I can do this all day)
I only just realised that the two most central characters of the OT *died* because 'the Force'. So depressing.
And people said the prequels killed their childhood. This one literally did.
Let’s get this straight, you are 1000% smarter than Kathleen Kennedy
Lol thanks
I mean Kathleen Kennedy fired the original director for episode 9 which was the same director for Jurassic world. Episode 9 would be so different if he directed it as it would be fully original cause he has great ideas though Kathleen Kennedy looked at the first draft for the movie and said nope and instantly fired him not giving him a second chance which then Kathleen Kennedy though it would be a better idea to put a (*stars wars veteran*) in charge of episode 9 which was JJ abrams.
What did Kathleen Kennedy do wrong again?
Jaip he directed the movie bad that (the commenter) Jay wanted to make Center Row to become the director
StarTof Vin but she has produced some of the greatest movies of all time. Gorge Lucas himself chose Kathleen to run lucasfilm when he left.
The thing about the First Order seeming too established was a big problem for me even when I was watching the movie in the cinema.
Exactly!
It was also unecessary. They could have quite reasonably said the first order was a natural continuation of the empire after Palpatine's death at Return of the Jedi since they were going to ignore most of the EU anyway. Instead they said the New Republic was formed and then they destroyed anyway in the same movie it's introduced.
Imaging if a group of neonazis with an army of stolen babies conquered Asia in a week.
Definitely seemed way too resourceful for a faction that's supposed to be a remnant kind of faction, especially considering the time between the movies story wise. The Sith Empire of Darth Vitiate which was a remnant of Naga Sadow's Empire needed centuries before it could attack the Republic and Jedi
How to fix the sequel:
Make it non canon!
Terry Patterson hot
Deal with it
When Rey says "Rey Skywalker", fade to black. Then hsve Ben Skywalker wake up at the end of TROS and tell his dad Luke, "I just had the strangest dream. You had hidden yourself from the galaxy and this new evil empire called the First Order ..." Then fade to credits.
Awesome
Yes, finally someone says it. Return Of The Jedi is the true end of the story.
How to fix the sequels:
Never make the sequels
Honestly though.
I agree, the "sequels" we got are not star wars, they are random self-contradicting sci-fi-movies driven by sjw agenda...
@@CenterRow Can't really agree with this. While the trilogy we got was full of flaws, IMO it had more potential than the foregone conclusion that was the prequel trilogy. When I last watched the original trilogy I left more interested in what happens next rather than what happened before.
No there was totally a place for Star Wars regardless of whether or not Disney just made the safest movie possible to make a billion dollars back. The fact is that Legends proved millions of Star Wars fans crave additional content and appeasing them and the general movie goer who loves the originals, is that really that hard? No way! Take any popular elements from legends! Batman did it!
To clarify, I feel you could have made a good Star Wars sequel trilogy, but with Hollywood's track record for sequels I felt it wasn't a great idea from the get go
I don’t hate the sequels, in fact I enjoyed them for the most part but yeah they could have been a lot better. I give props to jj for trying his best but he’s not good at wrapping up stories especially with his mystery box shit. Rian Johnson tried to do something different with the last Jedi but execution could have been better. I think jj or rian should have worked on the whole trilogy and worked with others to have a cohesive vision.
Totally agree
Never mind the whole ST completely undid everything that was accomplished in the OT; completely ruined Luke's, Han's, and Leia's characters; and largely ruined certain crucial in-universe elements, namely hyperspace (i.e. the 'Holdo maneuver' and 'lightspeed skipping' -- so much for going into hyperspace _not_ being like dusting crops, huh? : P) and, even worse, the Force ('Force-Skyping'? Force-projecting/-draining? Force diads? And where the hell were those healing abilities when Anakin was trying to save his mother?? Theoretically he never should've become Vader with such abilities : P). And, of course, Palpatine/Sidious' return also completely ruins Anakin/Vader's story arc, and, given that the Skywalker line was totally wiped out and his line wasn't (regardless of what MaRey Sue claims who she is), you could argue he was the true victor. God, what a mess. : P
ComeOnIsSuchAJoy nah I don’t think it ruins leai or han’s character and clearly the healing stuff is new and anakin couldn’t use every force ability like lightning and projection. Not trying to completely defend the sequels but that’s just my opinion.
@@jknetwork6211 So why could Rey do those things after a mere year of using the Force yet Anakin couldn't after *10* years of training?? Do you even give a shit about the universe's lore/mythology???
Are you suggesting... a writing dyad?!
I love the idea of the climax of the Force Awakens taking place on Luke’s planet, like he just wakes up in at the end of the battle and having all his land destroyed, he’d be like what the hell happened here
Thanks!
It's weird that the movie titles tell a much more interesting story than the movies do. And with a little extrapolation, I think you can come up with a better story than the one we got.
THE FORCE AWAKENS - 30 years have gone by. The New Republic is fighting against an uprising remnant of the Empire: the First Order. The First Order suddenly became a player when Ben Solo, seemingly out of nowhere, turned to the dark side and destroyed Luke Skywalker's newly founded Jedi Order. Rey, a lone scavenger that was dropped of by unknown parents on a desert planet, exhibits force sensitivity, but she knows nothing about the Force. She is drawn into the desert by visions. She finds a lightsaber (Anakin's and Luke's lightsaber that is charged with the power of both the dark and the light side of the Force; how did it end up there? The ways of the Force), and is overwhelmed by visions of Darth Vader, Anakin Skywalker, and Luke Skywalker. She is desperate to find Luke and gets in contact with the Republic. Kylo Ren, equally drawn by the Force to the desert planet, shows up, and so the plot thickens. Poe Dameron, Fynn, Han Solo, they are all involved here. Luke has disappeared. He wants to find answers as to why there's a strong dark power. He's looking for the very first Jedi Temple. Once the first plan of the First Order (which does NOT involve yet another death star) is foiled, Han, Leia and Rey discover Luke at the old temple.
THE LAST JEDI: Rey and Luke find and protect other force sensitive beings. Kylo Ren is on a mission to hunt them down and kill them. It turns out that with Anakin killing the Emperor, balance to the Force has been restored and the Force has indeed awakened. After that, thousands if not millions of newborns are force sensitive. It turns out that the whole "Jedi vs Sith" thing has been wrong for thousands if not ten thousands of years. The truth is that the force needs to be united within the force sensitive beings. But the mysterious dark force that controls Kylo Ren and the Knights of Ren is fighting against this. Han tries to stop Ben, but is killed by his own son. Luke and Leia are devastated. Luke has a "Jedi Council" meeting at the old temple, with Mace Windu, Qui Gon, Obi Wan, Yoda, and finally - Anakin. They tell him that the old ways have to die, and that Rey is the new generation of Force users. So Luke is indeed the Last Jedi. Luke has to confront the dark power, and end it. He travels with the gang to a mysterious planet. There's a lightsaber duel with Luke and the Knights of Ren that Luke easily wins. But then, the Dark returns. A shadow from the past. A familiar voice. "Looooong have I waited..." - "No, it can't be..." The force ghost of the Emperor emerges. The Emperor is so super powerful that no one can destroy him. Luke is disintegrated by the Emperor's lightning, Rey is in shock. The First Order begins a galaxy wide attack on the Republic, lead by Kylo Ren. All hope is lost.
THE RISE OF THE SKYWALKERS - The Emperor has returned and wreaks havoc in the galaxy with the support of Kylo Ren and the First Order. Rey assembles the Force users in a battle against Palpatine and Kylo. Together with the ghost of Anakin Skywalker, she succeeds in turning Ben back to the light side. But with a twist. Ben and Rey now both control dark and light. It turns out that Palpatine has ever since been taken over by Darth Plageius, who split off from the balanced Force ten thousands of years ago. He eventually created Anakin Skywalker and the Skywalker bloodline, from his own blood. And it's not over until his power has been completely diminished. Darth Plageius has to end. They face the Emperor. They lose. But when all hope is lost, Anakin and Luke return to help. There is a final epic battle between the ghosts of The Emperor, Anakin, Luke, as well as Ben and Rey. In that battle, Anakin and Luke sacrifice themselves to completely destroy the Emperor's ghost. The remaining energy of the Jedi and the Sith dissolves into the Force. True balance. Ben and Rey survive. They found a new generation of Force users that embody both the dark and the light: the Skywalkers.
So at the end you have the climaxes of each trilogy: The Revenge of the Sith, The Return of the Jedi, The Rise of the Skywalkers, and it's all about the "balance of the force" theme.
Interesting ideas!
The balance of the force should absolutely have been the big thing with the sequels. It's the best way to justify their existence. The old movies never really explained that or solidified what it meant. The sequels could have. That would be their purpose and reason for existing in the story. TLJ set up the idea of balance and pushed it forward a little with the idea of the force trying to balance itself with darkness rising and light to meet it. With the yin and Yang symbol on Luke's island etc. But it went nowhere with TROS.
Well done! You made me go through of it while the scenes were playing in my head. You made a good story that has coherence
"The Last Jedi" is still the most problematic of the titles, given that they were supposed to have 'returned' a mere 2 episodes prior. : P
I think there are a few things they could've done to fix them:
Finn - I liked how he and Rey were both main characters in TFA but for some reason he got tunred into a side character in TLJ.
Snoke - he should've been the new Emperor instead of Palpatine returning.
Rey - she should've been defeated by Snoke and scarred so that she doesn't seem invincible.
Interesting!
"No one wants to hear my "brilliant" vision of what an entirely different film would look like"
*matter of factly*...umm....I do...
Well thanks! I appreciate it.
The Holdo Maneuver can NOT be kept in there !!
I respectfully disagree.
@@CenterRow Sadly, it's one of the points in this trilogy that breaks the universe. I looks cool enough.
@@CenterRow it absolutely destroys previous movie conflicts. Why doesn't the rebellion create a Droid piloted ship that can hyperspeed drive into the Death Star? The previous answer was because in order to hyperspeed jump, you have to transfer into the 5th dimension or fold space time in some certain way. It also explained how hyperspeed doesn't run into uncharted asteroids. But now that ships interact with the real world while in hyperspeed, none of the previous explanations make any sense
@@lukeschelter5565 Maybe justify it by being a jump to near-light speed, not Hyperspace. That way it gets the same effect without breaking the universe.
@@GlaceonStudios But that ship has at that point been traveling at top speed for most of the movie, right? How can that ship suddenly move that much faster? That would break it's own established thing. It's hyperspace or not in Star Wars, right? It'not gradual from zero to hyperspace. Hyperspace isn't even a type of speed, per se. Fighters can travel faster that bigger ships. That has to do with engine power per the mass of the ship. Hyperspace is something else, that requires a hyper drive. If it was speed then fighters should be able to do it, but they aren't. Only ships with hyperdrives can travel through hyperspace. Nothing in that scene makes sense !!
I love this analysis of the problems of the Disney Star Wars trilogy and how to fix it. As a screenwriter, one of the biggest flaws the trilogy had was not really giving the audience a thorough, morale, and theological reason/explanation as to why The First Order and The Resistance are fighting in the first place. What moral/ideological differences do they have to make them enemies in the first place? Had the screenwriters had an answer to that question, the trilogy would have had a chance to succeed, along with much, much better character development.
You would need to start reworking the sequels by actually staying true to the returning characters from ep6. Literally none of the returning characters except c3po are remotely in line with what was established by ep6. This would mean the whole search for Luke cannot happen because luke would be helping leia and Han. The entire premise of tfa cannot be allowed to occur, and would need to be replaced with a more believable plot
I think Luke undergoing character development due to his failure as a teacher is great. The reason why Hamill didn't like Luke in the sequels is because Luke is a changed person in TLJ.
@@Bighomie39 I will never understand this,Luke,who is one of the most optimistic persons in the star wars universe,even trying to turn his father,who committed unforgiveable crimes,to the light side again despite yoda and obi-wan arguing for his death,suddelny just gives up,i cant get this in my head,if even han solo,han fcking solo is ready to help nor ever gave really up,than its hilarious,if luke just gave up
@@friedrichii.aliasdergroe9233 because he felt guilt for what he did and blamed himself for what had happened to his own students. He had thought himself responsible for letting one of his students become what he had destroyed in Anakin. He had all this pride as a Jedi Master, and let himself succumb to it, leading to his reaction when all he had tried so hard to build fell away before his own eyes. It's why he refused to train Rey at first. It's why he projected himself to Crait to talk to Kylo one last time to right his wrongs. He became a Force ghost afterwards because he knew that he had done what he needed to do.
The main good things about the sequels:
Lighting and visual effects were amazing
Especially old leia and young Luke and leia in tros.
Oh yeah, the special effects are great
"JJ, Rian, Kathleen Kennedy no offence I love you guys.."
Sorry you totally lost me there
Rey having a strong connection to the force doesn't explain how she uses the "super powers" that comes with that. Someone needs to teach her what being force sensitive makes her capable of !!
After that she needs to practice using her gifts. She needs to learn what she can do, and then steadily gain more and more control over those abilities. Strong force sensitivity means a high maximum strength level, and that she might reach a high level quickly. Those steps laid out before are still important, tho !!
David Orvik completely agree they just made her way too overpowered just to fill plot points and with no true development of power
I got an idea
Just get rid of them.
Comparing young Anakin from ep 1 to Rey from ep 7 is largely inaccurate, because you are missing the core of the problem and misrepresenting both characters. The problem is not that Rey is powerful, the problem is that she can perform Jedi techniques without any training or previous knowledge of them (mind control, telekinesis, lightsaber fighting) and is highly skilled in everything she engages for the first time (flying the falcon expertly - she directly says she has never piloted a ship before).
You say that its not an issue simply because a character in the (later) movie marvels at her strength in the force and compare that to qui-gon being amazed by Anakin's strength. This is not an explanation. This is not how the force works. The only benefit Anakin had from his inherent strength in the force was quick reflexes and.... that's it. Those two are not comparable.
PS. I do not consider explanation "Rey downloaded Kylo's knowledge matrix style" to be valid, because: 1) it is not in the movie, 2) it is the laziest retroactive attempt at explaining her skills one could possibly imagine, 3) it is simply laughable.
Here's how to fix them:
Hire writers based on merit.
Option one its interesting and I would love to see it
I like keeping the Holdo Maneuver, it's easy enough to explain without breaking canon, either it requires a precise jump to hyper space between two capital ships or larger regarding interactions of mass shadows, or the hyperspace tracker extended the Supremacy into hyperspace making it vulnerable to that kind of attack. The Empire had the tech (per Rogue One), but wasn't practical due to the vulnerability. The First Order, being smaller, had to use a more dangerous tech to gain any kind of advantage they could.
Can also justify why Holdo doesn't tell him because she doesn't believe the FO has hyperspace tracking and suspects that one of the passengers may be providing their location. She realizes that those with her are trustworthy, deduces scans the ship, notices the hyperspace signature and then leads into the hyperspace ram
I would also make it more evident that Finn had hand-to-hand combat training in the First Order to help explain his ability to handle a lightsaber, maybe have him pull a baton during the opening First Order attack. That or start leaning into him being force sensitive early rather than hinting at it at the last moment.
Yes! I like this.
I've never really questioned the logistics of it - I understand why people would - but it's a stunning and beautiful scene. I'd keep even if it went against canon. Sometimes I just want spectacle
Ryan W what's the point of logic then? If there's no consistency what's the point of actions having consequences?
If they explained it, that would help. Because in the same books that Disney wrote for the new canon, it says that the empire has tech to block nearby shipd from going to hyperspace. Because, duh, of course they would.
@@rbrickproductions123 But what would be the point of space battles if everyone can just
1. Flee at any moment by going to hyperspace
2. use small ships to destroy the big ones?
The problem isn't just canon, it's that those kinda of "inovations" fix limitations that are there to increase narrative tension.
It's kinda the same problem with Rey. She has the "Dragon Ball Problem", which is when a character is constantly getting more powers in order to resolve the plot, so the writers don't have to think about it.
Great video! There are two things that I think this trilogy should have focused on:
1. The Mortis Gods conflict: In the prequels, The Dark Side won, in the Original Trilogy the light side won, so in the sequels, there should be a balance between the two sides. They can include the metaphorical meaning to the conflict between The Daughter and The Son.
2. The mystery of the Unknown Regions: This is something that has interested me for a while in Star Wars. The mystery of the Unknown Regions. When I found out that Snoke was from there, it made his character that more interesting. Instead of an ancient faction of the Sith, what do you think of Snoke's species (not strandcasts!) invading the New Jedi Order as replacements of the Yuuzhan Vong?
It makes me confused when people try to just write off all the characters in TFA as copycats of the ones in ANH since to me, they're completely new archetypes for the franchise.
A lone pure of heart scavenger pulled into a galactic conflict desperately trying to find her place in the universe.
A child born soldier coming to the realization that the power he was fighting under his whole life was evil, and at first attempted to run away from the conflict entirely but learns to fight for the right thing.
A villain born into a family of legendary heroes. With his ego and hatred of his family taken to new extremes, he tries everything in his power to relinquish the past and forge a darker future. But as he falls deeper into the dark side the light's temptation grows with it. And after confronting his demons, is redeemed by the very thing he hated so much.
Seriously the argument that all these characters are just Luke Han or Vader is so strange.
It's not so much that they are the exact same characters as they serve the exact same function in the story as their counterparts did in the original trilogy so the movies can play out the same (except Finn, he's pretty different)
@@DerpaTure9503 Han only joins the Rebels because he grows closer to his friends. The thought of fighting to free the galaxy never crossed his mind. Finn in TFA has this arc, but in TLJ he learns to fight for the cause not just his friends.
Episode I - The Phantom Sand
Episode II - Attack of the Sand
Episode III - Revenge of the Sand
Episode IV - A New Sand
Episode V - The Empire Strikes Sand
Episode VI - Retrun of the Sand
Episode VII - The Sand Awakens
Episode VIII - The Last Sand
Episode IX - The Rise of Sandwalker
No Episode VIII: The Last Sand?
@@CenterRow I edited it in. After this video, it's understandable why I forgot about that film!
I've been dying for a KOTOR movie for years now. hopefully, I'll get to see it become a reality someday.
YES PLEEEAASE
These are great ideas! Finding ways of creating galactic conflict without undoing RotJ and streamlining some of the story elements in TLJ makes a lot of sense.
The fact that so many talented people approached the sequel trilogy by shooting from the hip will go down as one of the most astonishing behind-the-scenes stories in Hollywood history
Keep the Lightspeed ram but make Ackbar do it instead of Holdo, a character that dies anyways and one who the audience has a bigger connection with
Good idea!
What connection do we have with Admiral Ackbar other than he is a meme.
charliefreak 13 an established, fan favorite character > someone we hate
I say keep the ram, but don’t make it a light speed ram. Somehow have the pilot of the ship turn it around and crash it into Snoke’s ship. The lightspeed ram doesn’t fit with the rest of Star Wars and opens heaps of plot holes
Thematically speaking, I would’ve loved the Sequels to be about the end of the Jedi. Not a violent extinction like before, just the natural end of their age and their transition from reality to myth. It would’ve made sense. If the six Lucas movies were about the Force imposing huge losses and near extinction to the Jedi in order to show them their mistakes, the Sequels would’ve been about the Force telling them “you did good, you passed the test, you can rest now.”
From somebody who likes The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, I honestly can't think of a single thing here I wouldn't want to see and wouldn't make these movies better. Your ideas for The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are damn genius tbh. Side note: I'm also glad you acknowledge the things that truly do work in The Last Jedi.
This just goes to shows just how much potential the trilogy had, especially with the first 2 movies. Just need a little tweaking. And I mean "a little" because they are nowhere near as bad as people say.
EDIT: I also perfectly agree with completely remaking The Rise of Skywalker. Can't wait to see what you come up with!
Thank you, I appreciate the kind words!
It should be coming out next week, prepare to be disappointed!
I wish they had Finn as a Jedi. Going from a cowardly nobody in the enemy to a noble Jedi would have been a great overarching story
To be fair, Lucas did not have a plan for the original trilogy either. Heck, he have not even had a good plan the first movie, changing it all the time. But at least he was at the helm for all three movies (and later for prequels). The switcheroo JJ->Rian->JJ really messed it up. Why the hell JJ did not direct all three? At least we would [hopefully] have some consistency.
I don't hate prequels, although they could have been much better, given all the effort spend on it. The sequels are pure garbage.
Exactly!
Aleksandr Medvedev Jesus youtube is broken. Your comment says 2 days ago lol.
I'd like to add that J.J. is not known for great resolutions, but mostly for his mystery boxes. So consistency would've only been an artistic one, not necessarily in terms of content!
@@jknetwork6211 Not broken, this dude managed to see this video 2 days before I published it because I accidentally added it to a playlist too early.
Center Row ah makes sense lol
Wow: After listening to so many people demand that the only way to fix TLJ is to recon it entirely, I can't explain how utterly happy it makes me to see someone that shares my opinion on where the strengths and weaknesses of that film are: and even shares almost the exact ideas I had on how it could be improved!
Thank you so much for making this video! I can't wait to see your deeper opinions on how to fix tRoS.
I can't tell you how refreshing it is to read this comment. Thanks!
I wouldn’t kill Luke at the end. It felt unnecessary. It also sucks that we lost all 3 OT characters. There is room for him in the final film. Also the milk scene was bad and should be removed.
The Holdo part is tricky. Both Poe and Holdo come off as unlikable idiots. Holdo sending Poe on the mission and him messing up seems a lot more compelling than the way they did it where it seemed like they were trying to say that Holdo was better than Finn rather than he messed up and learned from it. Also aid change Holdo’s costume. She should wear a military uniform and not have died hair. She looks super unprofessional. Or maybe cut her out entirely and have Poe be the leader and mess up. Or maybe use Admiral Ackbar.
A lot of the movie seemed to be trying to say certain characters are better than other characters which isn’t what the message should have been.
I just randomly thought "it would be cool if someone made a channel called film fix and they change terrible endings to movies and then i searched and found you lol good idea 😊
Ha! Great minds!
"you gotta keep the holdo maneuver in there"
It was a good scene as far as cinematography goes but it utterly ruined the logic of every other space battle in the series. It has to go, full stop. Let her just fly into the Supremacy with sublight engines on maximum, have the guns of the entire fleet pummel the rebel ship but the speeding hulk of the ship slams into the bridge of the Supremacy, crippling it. It's not a great solution but it's one that doesn't invalidate the entirety of the lore regarding space warfare in the series.
As for Holdo's plan in general, one of the solutions to that plot point that I'm surprised you didn't mention was the idea of a spy being aboard the rebel ship, as it pretty neatly and easily explains why Holdo isn't giving the details to Poe. Poe can still have his character arc through his hotheadedness and skepticism of Holdo leading him (and the audience) to question if there really is a spy aboard or if it's just an excuse made up by Holdo to buy time to make a decision she has no idea how to figure out.
@Tom Ffrench Star Wars isn’t about physics but it has its own rules. Did you even read this dude’s comment? He makes a lot of points besides “physics.” Hyperspace travel doesn’t follow physics, and neither does the way space flight happens. But we accept it because it’s consistent. The holdo maneuver retroactively ruins space battles that happened previously. Why not just have a bunch of droid-piloted ships holdo maneuver the Death Star in episode 4? Because when Lucas wrote it that wasn’t possible. Now it is and it retroactively creates this plot hole
Excellent video, Mr. Johnson! Truly excellent! Definitely waiting to see what Part 2 has in store...
Thank you so much! Be looking for that in a week or two!
How to fix holdo: "I'm worried there is a spy"
Also remove the hyperspace tracker and have it be a spy
And also make holdo act like an authoritarian general, not the moral police that treats her subordinates like children
At the end of the The Last Jedi, they should have ended the movie with a scene where the Knights of Ren discover that the Emperor is still alive and he reveals to them that he has a grand daughter with sith powers, and then the movie ends with a shot of Rey. The Rise of Skywalker would have been a completely different movie then.
Great video very entertaining. I myself have been thinking the same and with ROS I really wanted them to play off Kylo being the supreme leader instead of forcing the emperor back. Kylo is the best character in these films and it would of been cool to see them make a film that continues his conflicts with his decisions like killing his father. Still having him turn good and then him fighting the empire aka first order he built.
Thanks! And totally agree!
I would have been more on board with that if he was a credible threat. Lets be honest, up until ROS, he has never won a fight against Rey. Rey shouldn’t have won that fight in TFA. Even then he hasn’t shown to be more competent than Snoke in leading the First Order as he’s constantly letting his emotions get the better of him. Honestly, if the Resistance weren’t so few in numbers at Crait, I honestly believe that Kylo would have lost.
If Kylo Ren were a good villain, I would say he would be out of character. They should never have killed Snoke in the first place. Kylo is better with a redemption arch.
This is so much better than what we got. Coherent, offers something new and uses the old cast in a sensible way.
Thanks!
Hearing all those other ideas for starting from scratch really made me wish they gave the series to someone who really knew the series. Maybe one day someone will fund a knock off star wars trilogy using similar names and genderswaps like epistle 3
Love the video, btw!
Thanks!
That was perfect. The moment you said if we don't rewrite it how do we change it...an ad came up with clips of movies where everyone simply said "no". Lol
Ha! Beautiful.
Watching the clips flipped horizontally is so unsettling
Snoke's Missing Hairpiece omg felt the same way
I agree with you completely. Especially on keeping the Luke story as it is. I never thought of making Phasma the better Hux but I love the idea. Such wasted potential.
I would've kept the Snoke dying thing, the 3rd movie would've been Kyko in full control of the order but with Phasma and the crew not trusting his judgement and making a mutiny. So he's kicked off the order and his knights would follow along and cause trouble for Rey and the resistance. They probably see her as a threat that will bring back the Jedi or something and the first order just doesn't care about focusing their military might on her cuz it makes sense to keep expanding and conquering the rest of the galaxy? Idk
Thanks!
I'm doing some similar things in my TROS video!
Wow got here early! This was good. Cant wait for part 2!
Thanks! Hoping to have it out this time next week but these videos are monsters to edit so who knows!
Thank you for not being one of those people who just say this thing is bad I'm gonna say why it's bad in an hour long video while being overly negative the whole time
I walked out of Froce Awakens, because I already saw where this was all going, very quickly. Not what I wanted to see. Still, they got my money for all of these circuses of clumsy writing, bad character development, plot holes, and appallingly lazy industrial design. I don't blame the actors at all. It is, as you say, poor writing. The Mandalorian is infinitely more interesting than JJ & Rian's slop ( Hire me ;] )
You handled this with more grace than I did in my video, but you and I agree on alot of things. Looking forward to more videos!
Thanks!
For the trilogy to work it had have a reason to be told in the first place. Start with an established Luke Skywalker led Jedi and original characters and centre the first movie around an introduction of an antagonist and major event. Introduce the new characters gradually towards the end (TFA had it all backwards). The antagonist needed to be bigger and overarching, someone like “the son” or plageuis or the true sith army to add to the saga instead of damaging it by rehashing old ones. Make the lore bigger by telling a deep diving story, not a shallow gimmicky, lazy collection of movies.
We needed a very strong reason to undo the RoTJ happy ending.
You could keep Star Killer base and just have the heroes fail to destroy it. That would show the audience that these characters can fail as well as establishing a conflict for the rest of the trilogy.
I like it, though I still hate the idea of yet another death star
There is no way to fix this. What's done is done. That's the real problem with Star Wars.
And creative copyright monopolies
Ah. Bless you!
Yeah well obviously we can’t go back and remake the movies, but that doesn’t mean we can brainstorm what could’ve been better
Knowing we'll never be able to fix the sequel trilogy, it's almost enough for me to watch videos like this and speculate, because my head canon and the head canon of devoted star wars fans like me is almost enough excitement in and of itself, and will no doubt force me to continue giving disney my hard earned dollars.
Glad I could help a tiny bit
Hi
I've written my own "fix" of TFA and am now writing TLJ's and planning to do the while trilogy. I tasked myself with not straying away too far from the narrative while correcting flaws and expanding on themes that were touched upon.
If you want to take a look at my fix of The Force Awakens, please send me a message and I'll send you the text by email.
Thank you
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@@gplgs4640 ok, no problem, Car
Maybe you should put it on Fanfiction net or Wattpad or somewhere like that? Just a suggestion.
It's a good thing you're taking a different route than the usual ranting channels that complain. Breath of fresh air from what I've seen since the release.
Thanks!
In your next video, can you comment more on the Rey-Kylo Force connection? It was my favorite part of The Last Jedi and was a bit wasted in Rise of Sywalker
Possibly, how exactly would you like to see it explored?
@@CenterRow A) Thank's for the reply
B) The general idea in The Last Jedi was that Rey and Ben have a special connection through the Force that is far stronger than What Luke and Darth Vader had in the originals, that they were two sides of the same coin- one was betrayed by his mentor Luke and the other was succesfully(?) mentored by him, one is the son of two of the greates heroes in the galaxy and the other is the daughter of nobodys' (I'm doing a J.J. Abrams here and ignoring the last movie). So I think an intresting way to climax their story is in kind of a reverse Harry Potter- that one would have to kil the other to defeat Palpatine. But unlike HP where the protagonist and antagonist hated each other, the majority of their stories in Rise of Skywalker would be spent on forging thei connection (Emotionally and... Forcily?). So that the climax would be that much more emotionally intensive and with real stakes. I would actually have Rey die instead of Kylo though I can't really phrase why I feel that.
But that's just one concept, waiting for your take. I'm sure it'll be much better :)
Interesting! Honestly that bit of the story has the most potential but has been the hardest to pin down. We'll see if I can come up with something cool there.
@@CenterRow im waiting also i subscribed to you
Great video man, I appreciate how you recognized and respected’s JJ, Rian’s situation etc instead of mindlessly bashing their movies.
Thanks! I appreciate it!
You could have said the holdo move was epic at the very start so I could've known right then not to watch the rest of the video 🤦♂️
It was cool. Yeah it made no sense in Star Wars and yeah it undermines a lot and yeah it’s kinda dumb and opens a bunch of plot holes, but it was still cool. The visuals were epic
He starts at 9:32,your welcome
I absolutely love your take at fixing these movies. Personally, I'm glad these 3 movies exist, for both the good and bad reasons - because it's all above growth in the realm of cinema. The movies are good because, for me, they sparked so much inspiration and 'feel-good' moments. The movies are bad for the reasons we know, but it creates videos like this, teaching young filmmakers how to make films like this better. It's all about growth.
But yeah, I loved this video. You could've made Holdo an antagonist, like a mole in the republic resistance. Just an idea
Thank you!
And that's a very interesting and very positive take!
Love this video you gained a sub
Thanks and thanks for subscribing
Center Row ✌️
Step 1: Remove them from canon.
*Here's how you actually fix it:*
Don't attach it to George Lucas's original eps. 1-6 Skywalker saga at all. Disney incensed the masses by having the audacity to tease fans with the original characters. They were soon revealed to be nothing more than box office bait to bring in the longtime fans, only for them to see Disney's new characters upstage and diminish them at every turn. Attaching this totally unnecessary trilogy to the broader Skywalker epic is the real issue here.
The hate wouldn't be nearly as vitriolic had Disney simply launched their own individual trilogy that introduced these new characters-- leaving the original characters out altogether --as opposed to including them in order to commit blasphemy; forcing us to accept this trilogy by attaching it to the story George Lucas told.
All I wanted was a faithful adaptation of Lucas' actual VII-IX storyline with Lucas himself acting as an adviser for the movies -- which is what we were initially led to believe was going to happen. The core saga *was* SW to me... but since the ST has been so badly botched, I just don't care anymore.
What is wrong with the Midi-Chlorians?
They aren't the Force but a tool that helps a Force-Sensitives to use the Force. The amount doesn't determine the power level but it is easier with more and hard with less but training is what matters at power level.
The Whills where there since before the first film in 1977. We are cars and the Whills drive us using the Midi-Chlorians.
Seriously what was wrong with the Midi-Chlorians? They don't take the mystery of the Force but the Whills sorta do but that is the point for George Lucas's Sequel Trilogy to explain the Force.
@@DerpaTure9503
Not "scientific or solid". Would you call a wrench or other building tools the reason a computer works? That is what Midi-Chlorians are a wrench and the Force the building two different things.
Watch is amazing video:
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@@DerpaTure9503
In "The Phantom Menace" Qui-Gon Jinn explained that the Midi-Chlorians "are in all living beings". They aren't excluding anyone.
@@DerpaTure9503
Mystical or scientific. Doesn't matter. To me Midi-Chlorians don't ruin anything or take the mystery out of the Force but does the opposite to me. The Midi-Chlorians created more mystery to me.
Star Wars is science fiction. Why are people against the science part of science fiction?
@@DerpaTure9503
Excluding being a tool helping a Force-User use the Force & measuring a personal power level if correctly trained what do the Midi-Chlorians explain scientifically?
@@DerpaTure9503
I am done. They do explain stuff but don't bother me and not consider them a bad thing like most people.
In RPG games every player gets a max personal level cap if correctly trained. Without that a player goes into God mode. With the Midi-Chlorians everyone is on God mode look at Rey from the Sequel Trilogy. She is in God mode until Garddad Sheev became the first good challenger for her until she gets God mode super charged. Tell me Midi-Chlorians help not dystroy unless you Saitama from the Anime "One Punch Man" where he removed his personal limit and plays on God mode and became a sad boy from it.
The beginning of your fixes were similar to what I had in mind, instant like.
Great minds think alike!
@@CenterRow I have a big Google Doc filled with my ideas for my vision of the sequels
@@ignaciorodriguez5636 Feel free to share!
Tbh in retrospective I like how everything turned out. I LOVED Rise of Skywalker cuz it fixed what was wrong with TLJ. Force Awakens was aight. Even TLJ itself isn't that bad on rewatch and with context. The ONLY problem I have rn with the Sequels is the disrespect to the legacy characters, as they undo everything that Anakin, Obi Wan, Luke, Han, and Leia fought so hard for. BUT, in its defense, THAT'S LIFE! Not everything is color pink and people die sooner or later, happiness is not forever as we'd like to believe. If you can accept that as I did then the Sequels aren't bad by any means. Agree? Disagree? Let's chat!
I like your positive outlook on this!
Hello
I thought this was an excellent and interesting video. I just wanted to comment and say that I love your use of Holst’s “The Planets” in the background. John Williams’ inspiration!!!!
Thank you! Glad someone noticed!
Looking forward to the next installment. I enjoyed The Last Jedi a lot and wish The Rise of Skywalker hadn't spent so much time trying to undo it. However, enjoying TLJ doesn't mean I think it's impossible to improve it! I certainly find your fixes intriguing. And unambiguously I think your version of The Force Awakens would've been better.
Thanks!
These are good films and I enjoyed them alle. They could've been better, and the way you tried to make them better, is amazing.
My Episode IX would go something like this:
>open up on the first Order ( Phasma or hux) having a mutiny on Kylo.
>kylo then uses the force bond with Rey to convince him to run away together. rey refuses, but is tempted by the offer.
>have the resistance (I like the new republic better) do better at this pont using dreadnought hyperspace holdo maneuvers to gain the tide over the first order.
> the first order creates a counter to the holdo maneuver, like some hyperspace jammer (I'm pretty sure that exists in canon anyway) to lure them into a trap, crush a large portion of the resistance.
> now with the resistance weakened, the whole team (Rey, finn, Poe, BB8, and chewie) must find kylo as he might have important info to help stop the first order
> Rey senses the dark side calling to Kylo. They must go to prevent him from discovering ancient sith macguffin.
> subplot: finn encounters other stormtrooper deserters and is convinced he should help the stormtroopers.
> subplot: poe has an arch of some kind (I honestly dont know what to with poe)
> at that planet, Rey confronts kylo. There they discover .. anything but Palatine. I'll say Darth plagueis for fan service purposes.
> Darth plagueis escaped young palpy using the force, but he's stuck on the planet. He trained Snok. Now, he wants kylo as his apprentice/puppet
> after being manipulated by snok his whole life and the betrayal of the first order, he refuses officially turning to the light side.
> he then offers Rey his apprenticeship. Convincing her that she can make a legacy with the dark side of the force. (In this she wouldn't be a palpy, she would be a no one)
> Rey agree and escapes (there can be a extra ship there or something) to the first order. With her information and dark side power. They can crush the resistance and win.
> unable to defeat plagueis, kylo goes with the crew back to the resistance. Kylo explains the first order weaknesses.
> the final act can be kylo trying to turn the Rey back. Poe being boss fighter pilot to break through enemy line s to stop the hyperspace jammer. Finn can try and un-indoctrinate the stormtroopers.
>epilogue: rey back on the side of good and kylo a goodie, they kill darth plagueis and start a new force order.
Idk what ideas you have for your film fix of the rise of Skywalker, but here's mine.
This actual has a bunch of stuff from my Film Fix and I am wondering if you somehow read my script...
@@CenterRow ... no (looks for the exit)
I mean Kathleen Kennedy fired the original director for episode 9 which was the same director for Jurassic world. Episode 9 would be so different if he directed it as it would be fully original cause he has great ideas though Kathleen Kennedy looked at the first draft for the movie and said nope and instantly fired him not giving him a second chance which then Kathleen Kennedy though it would be a better idea to put a (*stars wars veteran*) in charge of episode 9 which was JJ abrams.
@@Turbulation1 I assumed that the main reason for the failure for Episode IX was due to studio interference, however that makes it seem like they were just shooting themselves in the foot.
Fallen Friend the last hope for episode 9 being better is if the JJ cut gets released which the cut had a lot of great stuff including force ghost anakin. Though Disney (Kathleen Kennedy) decided to cut all of that to make the film what it is right now.
It seems like they listened a little _too_ much to fans complaining about the politics of the Prequels, and completely removed all mention in the sequels, which is arguably worse. It creates so many questions.
Totally agreed
I'm pretty sure that I'm more talented than Rian Johnson and I've never written anything ever.
I had a really fleshed out idea similar to yours regarding the Academy. It would take place a few years after the academy was founded. Luke as Grandmaster personally trained most of the oldest current masters. But during the early years of the new order, he gave himself a new, secret mission in life, to restore balance to the cosmic force by cleaning/purifying/curing areas stained by the dark side, like temples, fortresses, and entire planets. After training new masters, he eventually brings them onto the project after doing rigorous tests of his more experimental teaching techniques and lessons. Namely: training to better defend against dark side influence by teaching students to better control emotions, not suppress them, and better identify padawans who weren't taking lessons to heart. One major theme is how people and societies need to learn from past mistakes, namely: that the old order's methods of dealing with emotions like anger created more sith than expected, and that becoming too subservient and connected to the republic blinded the order to their higher purpose and further exposed more padawans to the dark side through the horrors of the war.
I have tons of ideas on the main characters, their motivations, fears, setbacks, challenges, strengths, and overall arcs.
Mara Jade was an Inquisition straggler who wanted to take revenge on Luke. He brings her to the light, and marries her. She becomes a motherly figure to the younglings and something of a renowned teacher and sage. She also leads the archiving project.
Luke's second in command and the first regular Master of the Academy. Let's call him... Snoke. Snoke was the first Jedi brought into the cleanup project as he was one of Luke's closest confidants. Unfortunately, Luke hadn't perfected his training methods when teaching Snoke, so while on a mission to a Dark Side temple (non-sith, I wanna introduce dark side cults to the general audience), Snoke stumbles upon an ancient prototype holocron, digs too deep, and awakens to a dangerous dark side ideology shortly thereafter. He secretly commanders part of the Order's archives, mostly some of the secret stuff Luke stored, and starts forming a cult within the academy. Slowly gaining more padawans and eventually masters within his secret ranks, and he further spreads his new cult outside the academy to non-sensitives as a religion (like the old cults) and some force sensitives are brought up outside the academy fully under the cult's doctrine.
Luke and Jade have a son. They only have one kid cause I want to have non-skywalkers as my main protagonists, but if necessary, she can be luke's daughter. I just feel that her being a Skywalker would make her more connected to Luke than her master, when that kind of ruins my idea for their arcs and put into question why Luke wasn't her master.
Leia and Han have kids, they have the least defined place rn, maybe their older son is the main's master, idk.
The Main character, let's go with... Jenny for now. And while we're at it, her Master is Odein, and her co-padawan is Kyla. You heard me, Odein has two padawans simultaneously, and for good reason.
Jenny and Kyla hate eachother's guts. Whether it's because they have an increasingly unhealthy rivalry, or because of fundamental disagreements in philosophy and ideals, they hate each other at the beginning. Luke, fearing that this hate will legitimately throw one or both of them to the dark side, puts then under the tutelage of Odein, a previously fellow padawan and recently knighted Jedi the two looked up to. They both have a close bond with him, seeing him as a brotherly figure of high regard and kindness. Luke hopes that between Odein's compassion and care for the girls, and their mutual respect and admiration of him, they can mend the rift between themselves and overcome their inner darkness.
Other important notes:
Celibacy isn't a thing now cause Luke developed a training, that when completed, allows Jedi to have a full understanding and control of their emotions, especially in romantic situations, that allow a Jedi to express and feel strongly aligned emotions without it clouding their judgement. This is done as a rite of passage for padawans, and was developed as an early tool for them to more easily overcome the challenges of becoming a force ghost and becoming one with the cosmic force.
Odein's arc would focus on his feelings of inadequacy over the state of his pupil's relationship and his own inability to let go of his fears, worries, and attachments to become one with the force and dispel his inner darkness. Luckily, he has fully mastered his unique lightsaber style: a balanced style that uses a double bladed saber but switches between one blade for offense and two for defense (plus a third option of toggling between using each blade separately for defense and countering in tight/small spaces or areas with little room for letting his second blade fly about unchecked; it'd look almost identical to his double bladed style, but with the two blades quickly going on and off as to avoid hitting the area and others around him that would normally be hit by his extra blade sticking out).
Jenny's arc (btw she's a single blade user) would mainly focus on her feelings of inadequacy for her defensive skills, fighting off the darkness in her heart over her hatred for Kyla, while struggling with trying to legitimately work it out with her. She also feels guilty that she can't take Odein's defensive lessons and lessons on her emotional growth to heart.
Kyla's journey is coming to grips with her need for perfection in her training, her feelings of unfounded jealousy for Jenny's strength in the force, and her superiority complex over how her lightsaber training and technique surpasses Jenny's (btw, I imagine her with a four bladed cross spear: three blades on the top in a cross, a single blade at the butt of the staff, and the entire casing and sleeve are made of saber resistant material that she was rewarded with during her schooling (basically good little younglings and padawans are rewarded with increasingly personalized requests for lightsaber parts as they get more familiarized with their weapon and fighting styles of choice)). As well as a feeling of competition over Odein's attention, perhaps not even romantic love, but a legitimate feeling of jealousy over a perceived stealing of sibling-level emotional bonding with Odein as he was frequently their tutor as younglings and tasked with watching over the two years prior.
Finally (for now) Luke's son, Ben. Ben has a dark side complex. One that is thematically reflected on the two heroines as a possible path they may end up following if they're not careful. He falls to the teachings of Snoke and slowly edges towards the dark side, and is increasingly obsessed with their missions to dark side sites.
As a side note, as Luke's techniques become refined, he entrust the help of the greater order and academy to assist in his cleanup project as more stable masters and padawans are now trained (Snoke padawans and catches notwithstanding).
Also, Luke and Leia are struggling with getting the perfect balance of power between the order and Republic. They agree that the direct ties led to the old ones' falls before, but have difficulty understanding how much autonomy each should have over each other at all. Since tons of dark side sites are located in potential or active war zones (some straggling empire local governments, or pirate/gang factions, etc.), Luke feels his order should have cart blanch clearance to these areas. In addition he feels the order should simultaneously be allowed to potentially back forces that resist or downright despise the republic if he or the order overall feels that they have legitimate claim to grievances. This is an ongoing political conflict further involving the council and Senate. Now Luke needs to figure out how to not have history repeat, and with a new potential dark lord rising, it quite might.
I also have a whole AMAZING climactic fight for the second movie with the three main in a 3-on-3 with the cult's top knights, that leads to the tragic death of Odein with a hyper emotional send off with him finally letting go of his fears and regrets as he sees that the two finally came to the realization that they need to move past their differences and take his teachings fully to heart. I also have most of the fight scene planned out with Odein (is that really the name I kept going with?!?!) getting a really fucking cool last lightsaber move taking advantage of his double blades in a hollers situation.
This is actually my more clean exploration of this idea I've refined over writing it down constantly in similar comment sections as I flex my ideas. Cheers!
Interesting! I like a lot of that. I really wish we had actually gotten a new jedi order in these films
How to fix the sequels: forget they exist
That's not really a fix...
You have convinced me that there need to be new stories...this trilogy is beyond repair because so many changes would have to be made. I like TFA and always will but it is where the issues begin.
"in a military, higher ups don't need to explain their actions" 1 in a military someone like holdo wouldn't be a higher up.
2. even if, good leaders do explain their actions, especially in a situation like this, since they need their soldiers trust. leaders need their soldiers trust, she actively provokes mutiny.
overall, your ideas aren't bad, and well informed by expanded lore knowlege, but you still have too thick rosetinted goggles on for all the crap in these abominable movies, and their perpetrators, as to strip it down far enough.
It’s just his opinion of the movies. Not everyone has to agree with you that they’re terrible. I don’t think they’re terrible, but I don’t think they’re great either. People have their own opinions and you should respect that.
I think the Poe/Holdo plot would work if they had a line about how they think there’s a spy in the fleet, because the FO keeps finding their location when they jump into hyperspace. Then later in the movie they could discover that the FO had invented hyperspace tracking, so there was no spy after all.
If there was suspicion of a spy in the ship, Holdo acting secretive would make complete sense. But Poe could still be hotheaded and believe that if she has a plan he should be entitled to know it, and he’d be offended that she can’t see that he’s obviously loyal and not the spy.
You know, that's such a great and obvious fix I have no idea why they didn't do that or why I didn't think of it
You lost me after you said that we need to keep The Last Jedi largely the same.
Thomas Duncan Especially the fact that he LIKED what they did to Luke. Wow.
I pretty much agree with everything that you've said. If it was up to me I would've also made sure that characters like Ackbar, Connix and Nien Nunb were used more and had more lines throughout the trilogy.
Thanks! And that'd be nice
How to fix them? Just ignore their existance all together
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I think a pretty simple way to fix the whole Holdo subplot would have been for them to suspect a spy aboard the ship. Holdo doesn't tell Poe because she doesn't trust him to be able to keep the plan a secret, and his obnoxious behavior only reinforces that; on the opposite end he jumps to assuming she's actually trying to undermine the resistance, and so his jump to mutiny feels a bit more natural without undermining his learning arc.
Plus that explains how they were tracking them through hyperspace, dang, it's so obvious