Bremont’s New Manufactured Movement: The ENG300

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  • @johndoe-ln4oi
    @johndoe-ln4oi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bill- this is another tremendous video by you! You are a great teacher and I appreciate your objective evaluations, especially regarding Bremont. This brand is subject to unfair treatment almost constantly. It's the new kid in the world of luxury brands, and there seems to be some snobbery by a certain crowd. Bremont definitely gets measured by a different standard than brands like IWC, Panerai, etc when it comes to things like watch movements. I am a big fan of the brand and, even though I sold my Supermarine S500 (which was outstanding to dive with at 80-100 feet), I plan to get back into owning at least one of their models at some point.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      JD, Bremont makes outstanding cases, and many of their pilot watches are among the best-looking I've seen. Their problem lies in two areas 1) manufactured movement [which they now seem to have] and 2) price. Their new Longitude with an ENG376 seemed destined to offend no one but may have had the opposite effect. The $17,000 version (lowest price one) in stainless steel competes with Vacheron Constantin for less than that--$12,500 for a VC FiftySix Self-winding...or a whole batch of Rolexes and Omegas. They have the movement; a watch around £5k to £7,000 with a pilot theme would do great. They've spent a lot of money in developing the ENG300 but they won't recoup that by having over-priced watches that do not sell well. I am a Bremont fan (and former pilot); so my point is not to bash Bremont, but suggest a path that would seem to be more successful for them. Take care, Bill

    • @johndoe-ln4oi
      @johndoe-ln4oi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@watchartsci Bill, thank you for the response. I agree that $17k for their movement is too much.

  • @ProCelestialEmpire
    @ProCelestialEmpire 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To be honest, this watch's finishing, dial and the dates' quality feel are really like FP Journe, very fine made.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, Bremont has always had great cases. Now with their own movement, they've really come up in the world. Take care, Bill.

  • @obesetuna3164
    @obesetuna3164 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Bill. If it is genuine, a new British made movement will be great to see. It has been over fifty years since Smiths Instruments closed their watch making division. Timex closed their Scottish factory in the early 1980's.

    • @HRM.H
      @HRM.H 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Doesn't Christopher Ward also make (british) in house movements ?

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thomas, CW's SH1 is made in Switzerland by a company owned by CW.

    • @HRM.H
      @HRM.H 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@watchartsci ahh ok ! Good to know, i kindoff expected that.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, Tuna, it's a good move by Bremont, and I'm glad to see it. Here's a great article on how they came to develop the movement. www.hodinkee.com/articles/up-close-and-personal-with-the-bremont-eng300 Take care, Bill

  • @juniorjohnson5961
    @juniorjohnson5961 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Bill
    I just watched a video by
    Robin Henry Watches
    he did a great job of explaining Bremont & how they went about getting this movement and the company in general.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Junior, I'll check it out. Take care, Bill

  • @AbdulRWatches
    @AbdulRWatches 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hi Bill, great video Bill. The watch looks great but the price is definitely above what it should be.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Totally agree Abdul. Also, something with the 'pilot theme' to it would help. Take care, Bill

  • @Rog5446
    @Rog5446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bremont are my local watch company (I drove passed the 'Wing' yesterday) I have an ALT1-C with the old 'in house' (ha ha) movement, and I like it. Still can't understand why some of their watches have London on the dial, when they're in Henley on Thames in Oxfordshire. I'm going to book up a tour of their tech centre and museum soon.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good question Rog. Love the names of English villages ... like Wormly-in-the-Puddle and the like... Henley-on-Thames is a great name to put on a watch. Take care, Bill

    • @Rog5446
      @Rog5446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@watchartsci Henley is the home of the annual Royal Regatta, the Wimbledon of Rowing. So perhaps Bremont should have an oar instead of a propeller as their symbol?

  • @jenarojara1668
    @jenarojara1668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Going to New York next week. Any recommendations to used watch stores. Love your content. Thanks

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jenaro, here's a video I did on visiting 47th Street (th-cam.com/video/vWfwABVGJfY/w-d-xo.html ). The main watch boutiques and shops are on Madison Ave from around 45th up to 62nd; then cross over the Fifth Avenue (and then down to 47th). Most of the shops are on the right side of the street including the 3 Swatch owned Breguet, Blancpan and Harry Winston boutiques. When you get to 47th, turn right and you'll be in the middle of where watch and jewelry shops are located. Federico warned me about going there, but that's where I got both of my FP Journes... the video introduces you to the guy I got them from. Have a great time in NYC! Bill

    • @jenarojara1668
      @jenarojara1668 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bill. Thank you so much for the info. Also the video was awesome. Can’t wait to go to New York. Thanks again bill

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jenarojara1668 One more 28 E 57th St, New York, NY 10022--the new Vacheron Constantin boutique...near the corner of 57th and Madison.

  • @andrefreing8290
    @andrefreing8290 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    hi it looks good

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As the French might say, Andre, 'pas mal.' Take care, Bill

  • @Robert-vw3od
    @Robert-vw3od ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The problem is everything is in someway adaptation - i’ve heard Rolex described as a third-party movement user, and this is technically true - on the fantastic video for the new 1908 perpetual they say “ invented the oyster” the only thing he really invented was the use of the word “ oyster”

  • @dominickcolasanto6582
    @dominickcolasanto6582 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Bill excellent review! Nice watch, just priced above its class in my opinion. Maybe I'm missing something like 18k or Platinum for that price.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are correct, Dom. I think they spent too many resources on flash before they really started settling down for their own manufactured movement. A basic pilot's watch or chronograph with a basic ENG 300 priced under £8,000 may help right the boat. Take care, Bill

  • @garyboyle695
    @garyboyle695 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It looks like they took some inspiration for that dial from the FC Highlife.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gary, if you like that dial? TBH, I didn't think much of it, and I very much like most of their other designs. Take care, Bill

  • @terrydaigle8356
    @terrydaigle8356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With 3 d print surprised any meatel left

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Terry, what parts are created with 3D printing? Bill

    • @terrydaigle8356
      @terrydaigle8356 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@watchartsci none Sir it just seems like the whole world is going plastic

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@terrydaigle8356 As misguided collectors of fine watches, we can draw the line at plastic and silicon springs. If we don't buy, it will discourage such 'annoyances.' Take care, Bill

  • @Nicholas-V
    @Nicholas-V 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Maybe I missed it but can you elaborate on why you don’t like a silicone hairspring? I’ve heard you mention you don’t like it a few times but not why you don’t like it. It seems like it would be an advantage not a disadvantage.

    • @kojiattwood
      @kojiattwood 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He explains his point of view quite well in the video.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Basically, the concept of 'High Horology' was based on non-quartz movements, returning to traditional craftsmanship ... while silicon hairsprings are an improvement, they cannot be adjusted and they're a step away from what is most interesting about watches for me.

  • @Javi_C
    @Javi_C 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is not much love for Bremont in the comments I see. I honestly like the way it looks, the price will only be a deciding factor though.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I noticed that Javi. Like you, I've been a fan of the looks, but not the price nor movement. Maybe the new movement (and price) might take it to a place that will add some vigor to its popularity. Take care, Bill

  • @xuliuk
    @xuliuk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Too bad Bremont didn't take any lesson from Tag Heuer's cal.1887 fiasco. But their build quality and design seem pretty good. I'll never pay retail for a Bremont, but would love to buy one at liquidation sale.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Xuliuk, Bremont had their own fiasco and have spend millions in their 'Wings' facility to assure that they didn't make the same mistake. TAG Heuer began making amends in a big way the minute they hired Carole Forestier- Kasapi. Tell us about the 1887 'Fiasco.' Thanks, Bill

    • @xuliuk
      @xuliuk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@watchartsci TAG purchased the intellectual properties of 6S movements from Seiko and came up with their "in-house cal.1887" but didn't reveal it until the watch community pointed it out, and got some heated criticisms (I think you had previous episodes discussing this a few years ago). Bremont last time got into trouble for using La Joux Perret movements and calling them in-house. This time, they purchased the intellectual properties from Horage and are manufacturing the movements themselves, but that's exactly what TAG was doing with cal.1887.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@xuliuk Thanks man! I think that Bremont learned from the scolding they got from Roger Smith, and they were very cautious to indicate they did an 80% re-engineer on the K1; not a 100% new movement. They deserve credit for the investments they made in developing 'Wing.' Here's an in-depth article on the efforts by Bremont ... pretty objective, I think: www.hodinkee.com/articles/up-close-and-personal-with-the-bremont-eng300 Thanks again for the insight on the TAG 1887 fiasco. Take care, Bill

  • @ivansmith4242
    @ivansmith4242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In house and manufacture are quickly becoming marketing terms to jack up the price.
    There is no real world value to the watch collector to have an in house movement that does not separate itself from the pack either with otherworldly finishing or innovative craft. Especially for a brand like a Bremont.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, Ivan, they're both marketing terms and quality terms. For FP Journe, they're descriptive; for other brands, they're marketing. Take care, Bill

    • @ivansmith4242
      @ivansmith4242 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@watchartsci As they say time will tell. Even Swiss Made does not mean Swiss Made.

    • @ivansmith4242
      @ivansmith4242 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@watchartsci it would be an interesting and exhaustive exercise for you to prove the purity of “in houseness” for your FPJ watches. Especially for the MSRPs that these watches were being offered for originally. Not based on secondary market price which right now is hype driven.
      These are not Roger Smith level pieces my dear friend.
      Not trying to hate on FPJ seriously nice watches.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ivansmith4242 Really?

    • @ivansmith4242
      @ivansmith4242 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@watchartsci Indeed.

  • @washingtonfootballfanwgil8392
    @washingtonfootballfanwgil8392 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bremont has nice watches. They're too big for me.

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, WGIL, they're big boys! Great cases for rough terrain. Take care, Bill

  • @TimG--
    @TimG-- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Junk
    But nice video

    • @watchartsci
      @watchartsci  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's harsh Tim! If the quality of the ENG300 is anything like the very high quality of their cases, we can forgive the 20% they didn't re-engineer. Check out this article: www.hodinkee.com/articles/up-close-and-personal-with-the-bremont-eng300 Take care, Bill

    • @stevebennett7783
      @stevebennett7783 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What a ridiculous comment. I'm guessing you've never held a Bremont before and just going with the online sheep? Hell, you're probably a Rolex owner who loves watching Archie "The Pontiff" Luxury and gobbling up his insane ramblings...... Am I right? 😉