Dad Debates ATLANTIS | part one
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 เม.ย. 2022
- Hey Hunters,
My dad and I sat down and debated our opposing views on Atlantis.
He brought some interesting points to the table i hadn't fully focused on before, like where is pre-historic Ancient Athens?
Did Plato hide clues in his text he was making it up?
Will i ever get my dad to be amazed at the younger dryas cataclysms aligning with the timeframe Plato wrote?
Bring a lot of snacks as this is a long one. and be nice to my dad.
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So nice to see a good relationship between a daughter and a Dad.
Isn’t that normal. Glad I live my life not yours
@@Endle185 mate obviously everyone doesn’t have a good relationship with there dad not hard to figure out your not better cause you n you dad get along
@@Endle185 don’t take a genius to figure that out
Tell your dad to let you talk or don't let him back on I like him but it's your show he needs to stfu
@@Endle185 It used to be.
This is fun. It's nice to see the how discernment and logic is passed on from father to daughter. Also nice to see respect for each other's opinions.
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Yes. And so much feeling in facial expressions during eye contact. What a special relationship so rare and complete
100% agreed! The tone and tenor are REFRESHINGLY respectful, well done!. It seems to me that Ms. James demurred more often than Dad but.. call me old fashioned: a little "demurement" to one's Father [or Mother] or elder is a strong indication of a wise Individual.
You have it backwards
Shes right. Its written on stone in egypt
Oral traditions were absolutely able to preserve accurate information. To consider Plato's memorization abilities from our modern "5 second soundbite" cognitive norm... is a fools errand. They memorized multiple volumes of books ~ scrolls in those days. Additionally, it is not known that he did or didn't have written notes.
Nonetheless: Think about the vedic monks!! They were elevated due to their memorization skills, not their morals.
Think about how much technical information a mechanic, engineer, or woodworking craftsman can recall.
It is completely possible to have a profound and indelible memory of the story described by plato.
I agree. In the modern age we've seriously depleted our effective memories by the practice of so much reading and writing. The Maori tohunga used to be able to quote ancient lore for entire days without varying in a single word. They were trained in it from an early age. When memorisation is your single means of preserving the knowledge of your past, you tend to get very good at memorisation. When you don't need it any more, it atrophies.
Also, a lot of times, people mistake memorization like a computer storing data of text or pixels of an image. Human brain doesn't work that way. The reason the brain's memory is easily corrupted is also its strength. It compresses words, images, sounds into mnemonic tokens and connects it to previous learned memories. That is why our brain can store so much information.
Tots
The dialogues that deal in Atlantis do not assert that ANY of the information therein is being told to Plato - therefore his memorization abilities are utterly immaterial to the subject in question.
It's frustratingly amazing how ignorant believers in Critias as a historical treatise of Atlantis lack even the most basic knowledge about the content of that dialogue, simply because they have never actually read it and have only been exposed to isolated minutae of descriptions therein.
The dialogue is between a narrator by the name of Critias, speaking to Socrates.
NOT Plato - he is not even mentioned in the work.
This is a sound indicator that the assessment that Critias is no more than a historically inspired philosophical parable are the correct ones.
Given the timeframe it seems far more likely that the events inspiring the Atlantis calamity happened in the 2nd millennium BC, much as the same is believed of the events described in Homer's Iliad and Odyssey epics - this makes it highly likely that the inspiration was either Minoan Akrotiri itself destroyed by the Theran erupton, or an amalgam of stories collected across the Aegean in the wake of such an epic calamity as the Theran eruption.
People who are quick to dismiss either Crete or Akrotiri as the origin of the inspiration would do well to realise that not all stories come from a single source, and may address multiple perceptions of an event giving details of multiple sites rather than one.
also memory is something you can train,if you memorize allot you wil get better at it over time,it kind of works the same as going to the gym to create a ripped body and if you stop going it wil revert back.
in evolution they say use it or lose it.
Troy was originally thought to be a myth, then they found it. Now add something catastrophic, seems reasonable that Atlantis did exist.
Not only was Troy thought to be legendary until the late 19th century, it would've remained one of those places that people scoffed at as "nothing but a myth" had it not been for Heinrich Schliemann disregarding all the naysayers and going forth in search of it. Just goes to show!
alot of things were myths until they were found, like the panda bear
The difference is that Troy/Hisarlik was still inhabited at the time Homer authored his great epics Iliad and Odyssey.
The 'Trojan War' if it happened at all likely happenning less than a thousand years earlier, somewhere between the fall of the Minoan civilisation and the Bronza Age collapse during the heyday of Mycenaean Greece.
People are too apt to use Troy as an example when they are really just demonstrating that it does their argument no credit at all, except to say that an event occuring only centuries prior can still be fresh enough in vocal traditions to be penned with moderate accuracy, albeit with no small amount of divine and semi divine occurences sprinkled in.
By comparison an event occuring thousands of years earlier would be hopelessly marred by the problematic accuracy eroding embellishments of vocal traditions over hundreds of generations.
@@darkseaofempathy "had it not been for Heinrich Schliemann disregarding all the naysayers and going forth in search of it"
And promptly utterly destroying the archaeological site of Hisarlik all the way down through multiple layers of civilisation in his mad search for that one perfect layer to prove his search valid - thus completely annihilating any chance of an objective study of Troy using more exhaustive scientific methods.
Schliemann is more the gold standard of how not to do archaeology than the opposite - he makes Howard Vyse and his explosives seem positively careful by comparison.
Sure he may have rediscovered the site, but he also destroyed any real chance of making it worth anything.
By comparison Arthur Evans did a vastly better job with his excavation of Knossos - had he done it Schliemann's way he would not have stopped shredding earth and stone until he found the minotaurs skull.
@@mnomadvfx lmao. You ok kiddo? You'll grow up someday.
I don't even care who's right or wrong, I just absolutely love you are both so engaged with each other and equally fascinated by the same subject. Makes me miss my dad even more. Unfortunately I wasnt as interested in history when he was alive. He loved history. Cant wait for part 2!
Ronald Reagan and his daughter we on both sides of politics. They were always close and we're able to disagree but always remain close. Made me think of POTUS.
@@lucienberl "Ronald Reagan?! The actor?!" - Doc
@@ricksanchez369 The Actor, the governor, and the president.
@@TexanUSMC8089 ikik, that's a line in back to the future from Doc.
I totally agree though I have to be honest and say I'm with Dad on this and everything I've looked at on the Atlantis mythos leads me to conclude it is simply a story. What's your right about the family bond and them loving and respecting each other in their discussion. That is wonderful to see.
Your father must be proud, nice to see a strong family connection.
The Hawaiians are an instance where oral tradition was passed two thousand years successfully. The Kahunas memorize the genealogy of Kahunas and the ruling chiefs and kings for two thousand years. I bet they'd be a shock for the Romans, considering Captain Cook originally called them an island of giants.
Exactly! Even more so, the Australian Aborigines. Archaeologists used their tales to find a 40,000 year old coastline 👍🏼
@@chadb1675 impressive detail, 40k years!
well captain cook was probably maybe 5"9, native hawaiins are big individuals women and men. Compared to the average heighht of europeans at the time the Hawains were exactly that Giants
Not really, they were probly similar heights to Europeans or shorter and remember 5’9 was considerd tallish back then.
I always wondered if the whole planet wasn’t called Atlantis at some point and then the flood happened or something along those lines.
I've thought for some time that it likely described a central place somewhere in the Atlantic area, and that the other ancient ruins around Bahamas, Caribbean etc were probably outcroppings of the same civilization. Tend to think what's now referred to as Lemuria/mu in the Pacific was distinct and concurrent. But yes, quite possible these were the two main antediluvian civilizations, spread over different parts of the world roughly approximating the Pacific and Atlantic.
I believe it was a Global Empire. And based Mid Atlantic between Gibraltar and North America. And a chain of Islands down into the Caribbean. And beyond. I believe I was there. I have had these memories throughout my life.
@@newnew-jk2kh maybe they had colonies
@@newnew-jk2kh interesting, we share all of it, i have the same opinion/idea of Atlantis, and also soul memories of me living there. Greetings in a new life from Ecuador.
Ameruca is Atlantis.
I'm blown away by the amount of knowledge you've accumulated in such a short time, and how well you are able to correlate everything and recite the information in such a organized and well thought out manner. Really great debate!
Great episode! I had to laugh at your dad comparing a 19 year old of today to one in Ancient Greece! 😂
As a 62 year old that often debates with my adult children, I’d have to give the win to you. Although your dad said he didn’t have any preconceived thoughts, he definitely didn’t want to hear anything that may interfere with the official timeline. Great job!
You know when JJ points that finger up in the air, it’s going to be a good video 😂
pahhahahah love this
LOL
Ultimately, Dad and the mainstream must face this reality:
The body of water known as the "Atlantic" ocean has been "known" as the ocean of Atlantis in the very oldest written records. Even the old kingdom Egyptians. Why?
*refresher from one of Randal Carlson's talks: the "ick" sound in our modern verbalization of Atlantic is a relatively modern vernacular modification... in Greek it is still pronounced "iss".
Maybe the original chicken or the egg story
Actually the Egyptians and most of Africa called the Atlantic the “aethiopian” or “Ethiopian sea”. “Atlantic” comes from the Greeks and originally refers to the sea of atlas. I’d be open if you have something that contradicts that from ancient Egypt, but I can’t find it if there is.
Atlantic Ocean is named after a myth, the same as the days of the week, the main worldwide religious holidays and the planets. Just because the ocean is called that doesn’t prove anything.
@@Eye_of_Horus that is the pro[palom in translation. Ethiopia sometimes was named for north africa and sometimes for sudan so now you got 3 seas to count
@@starcapture3040 aEthiopian sea is specifically said to be west of Africa. Typically thought of as the current south Atlantic.
The continent of Atlantis was an island
Which lay before the great flood
In the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean
So great an area of land, that from her western shores
Those beautiful sailors journeyed
To the South and the North Americas with ease
In their ships with painted sails
To the East Africa was a neighbor, across a short strait of sea miles
The great Egyptian age is but a remnant of The Atlantian culture
The antediluvian kings colonized the world
All the Gods who play in the mythological dramas
In all legends from all lands were from fair Atlantis
Knowing her fate, Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the Earth
On board were the Twelve:
The poet, the physician, the farmer, the scientist
The magician and the other so-called Gods of our legends
Though Gods they were
And as the elders of our time choose to remain blind
Let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new
Hail Atlantis!
Way down below the ocean where I want to be she may be...
(I loved this song!)
It's in E Africa Libia 5 rings remain today it has been washed out no other sites can match it can be seen from space
@@dougfunk7506 beyond the pillers of Hercules this fact is clear I believe
@@87mrreynolds Atlantis isn't in Libya. It is in West Africa, the capital being the Richat, which used to be a lake at the time of Atlantis. There is a multitude of data that indicates that the Richat is Atlantis: physical matches to Plato as well as cultural and etymological matches.
This is definitely fun ☺️ It’s certainly easy to see the passion passed on from Father to Daughter !!
And, you both are thoughtful and respectful to each other, which is so nice to see 😊
Great combo…
Ok. I love this.
HOWEVER, you are both researchers and are not taking the time to pull up the info that you are disagreeing on.
It would help with some of the back and forth.
It would also benefit the viewers to see some graphics of what you’re talking about (from both sides).
Lastly, because there are so many variables, perhaps you could pick an assumption as “true” for the sake of completing the potential version of that story.
E.g. “We don’t agree that Atlantas was in the Atlantic, but for the sake of completing our thoughts around this narrative, let’s pretend that it is true.”
It's in E Africa the 5 rings remain today it's in plain sight and can be seen from space
Your absolutely correct,
Atlantis is not anywhere...
It's not a City or a Country...
It was a Venus Colony.
Getting this knowledge out is awesome, change the old narrative, or should I say correct the narrative.
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There is nothing correct about this Information, it's actually all wrong and full of assumptions and white washed. If you want real information here th-cam.com/video/7kqZyKB6pXg/w-d-xo.html
I remember hearing once that when the vedas were passed down and memorized orally, as the language changed it was actually easier to memorize exactly, because they didn’t remember the ins and outs of the language as exactly as they understand their own speech. And when you understand a language and try to memorize a text it’s easy to accidentally use different words that mean the same thing, or maybe “correct” a word that isn’t user anymore. All this to say life was different back then and a young child being taught to memorize this story isn’t unusual or unbelievable in any way. And if you don’t understand the words you’re more likely to memorize verbatim by rote
Very cute banter, but it does feel like I've walked into a 40 minute window of a 3 month long argument.
OMG !!!! This was such a GREAT conversation / debate. You guys need to do more of this.
You know, it just hit me: the mud shoals blocking the straight of Gibraltar, having blocked passage to the Atlantic, conveniently explains the loss of general knowledge (among Europeans originating from Mediterranean empires) of "the new world" and the spherical nature of Earth....
cool thought! And that mud thing places Atlantis right near the straits, not in the Azores (nice as that is in other ways) or in the middle of the Atlantic.
@nmarbletoe8210 The mud kept them from going ANYWHERE in the Atlantic so I don't see how it places Atlantis near the straits. Plato, in fact says that Atlantis was several days of sailing past the islands that were near the straits.
You two are wonderfully entertaining, and I bet you dad's so proud that his daughter' is so tenacious and opinionated. I was very entertained....good job.
The Navajo and Hopi are oral record keepers and it was a very important position to keep the stories of the ancestors. One was brought in early in life to learn these stories, telling and retelling over and over then passing those stories on. These stories are the heart of the tribes. So, in terms of "memory" there are those who are trained and taught to keep these stories intact and memorize every detail. Our culture is very different now and we have little need to memorize anything but perhaps your lines in a play. I think we were different when it comes to record keeping than today.
Hi there from Florida in the US. I've been watching your videos lately and I'm simply amazed at how your interests in ancient history have allowed me to not only be educated, but to know there are so many younger folks interested in this as there always has been. To me, your father is proud and amazed, with the things you do. Thanks for showing us your passion for ancient history, I'm sure everyone that sees your videos will be thrilled. Keep up the great work and thank you for restoring the hope, that future generations are still just as interested in ancient history, as those before you! Awesome work by you, the support of your dad and how proud he is of you, and finally, to your team that helps get everything ready!
The Younger Dryas Time Line Is The Nail In The Coffin.. O To Be A Fly On The Wall.. 🤣 Awesome Back N Forth With Your Dad. Can't Wait For Round #2 💥 Have a Great Day And Keep Pushin!
Plato dated Atlantis after the YD, but not long after...
That was SO cute! Thank you! Plato's account isn't the only one. Plato's idea of it coming from Egyptian temple texts is backed up by the Edfu creation texts which is exactly the same story - except called the Island of the Egg - and with more details (sinking island in an overnight disaster with great tech and a civil war), plus the Aztecs' story of Aztlan is the same, and the same story appears in Basque legends and Native American legends/stories as well (and some Mayan accounts)
There is a reason for that. Even though the "Continent" of Atlantis was W. Africa from Algeria to Nigeria (the capital of Atlantis being the Richat,) the empire stretched all over, influencing as far east as Japan and as far west as the Americas with language and stone masonry techniques. A Basque missionary and Central American Indians were able to converse clumsily w/o a translator hundreds of years ago because they shared a root language (Atlantean) and the Atlanteans were traveling to America long before the Vikings or Columbus "discovered" them. The Atlanteans probably built the Pyramids of Giza, which were definately electrical power plants.
I disagree with your dad's point about Chinese whispers and the failings of memories, because what we're talking about here is important information passed on to trusted people with regards to the history of mankind, it's not just some random anecdote or memory from someone's life. The details are not forgotten when there's a good reason to remember them.
Exactly. Being a memory keeper was a very honored tradition that was taken extremely seriously. People with good memories were handpicked to perform this important service for the community.
The very phrase "Chinese whispers" is in reference to the fact that successive Emperors in China would have history before them erased. Leading to the people having to whisper to talk about the past or they would be in trouble. As time has passed it has evolved into this idea of information being lost or falsified in translation. Its not what it originally meant.
And reading Herodotus' history of the world is definitely NOT entertaining for the most part (so far it is a slog). It is a detailed account of the important pieces of wars and rulers of the past.
Greeks knew how to tell a good tale, and that was not the job of Herodotus, Plato, Socrates, nor Solon.
In the ideal State, they had a job and it was not dramatic interlude.
The Atlantis story in Critias is NOT entertaining either. Unless ancient Greeks had a fetish for cubits, and descriptions of geography of fantasy places.
Judging by Greek Mythology, Greeks had better taste for entertainment purposes.
I think Plato knew his audience, as did Critias, and Solon.
That, and also, we know scientifically that the way that we use our brains has changed, especially since the invention of massive urban centers and higher technology where the need to remember events and things accurately has declined as access to information has become easier.
This is so darn heartwarming. Thank you for sharing with us! I absolutely miss my dad I know he’d have love to see all the new discoveries.
You guys should read “Moonwalking with Einstein.” It’s about the memory techniques used by ancient cultures. It could explain how a story like this could have survived so long.
This was excellent! We have a 5 year old and I can totally see this being us in about 20 years! She watches all the Randall Carlson and your videos Jahannah, along with Jimmy (Bright Insight), Ben (Uncharted X) and a couple others, with me all the time! I can only imagine how much new information she will pick up on in the next 20+ years.
These little ones determine if we make it or not...
Near the end of this video it is mentioned some of history was passed on orally, rather than having written records. I want to mention that in addition to this, there are the Akashic records. Some people who are enlightened can see into the past and see what happened. My yoga guru said that Atlantis really did exist. It was in the North Atlantic ocean, off the Iberian peninsula. It was a continent. Not an island. My yoga guru said you could find evidence of Atlantis if you dug really deep off the north coast of Spain, but you'd have to dig very deep and it would be very difficult and expensive, and would probably require the funding of the United Nations.
My yoga guru said your yoga guru lies about Atlantis. My yoga guru also said that your yoga guru told me to think for myself and to come to my own conclusions but I told him that somebody else told me that was stupid.
Let's not get the UN involved 😂😂. You are so right, not only do we have the Akash but people are starting to remember past lives which i never believed in until about 3 yrs ago. We need to consider all of this.
@@spearshaker7974 lol
Evidence? Or just a guru? Does he have evidence?
@@spearshaker7974 😂🤣🙃😂🙃🤣🙃😂🤣☝️👏👍
Awwww I don't know any of you guys, I decided to check you out after I saw some stitched videos on FB by you, but I have to say you guys energy is so sweet! Imo my dad is the best dad, but the way you to get along is so sweet, and I just love it!
Loved this banter/ debate between you and your dad. Both are very knowledgable and articulate, and despite interpreting the info very differently, you both respect the others view. Enjoyable to watch , and the old clips of you acting were a bonus. Your dad must be very proud of you, you're so talented, gorgeous, and intelligent.
I LOVE THIS... I really want to see more of you and your father dialoguing
This is adorable. As a dad I love this so much
very good, you two! your passion for history shines thru. wasn't able to watch, yesterday and i'm so glad for the 2nd opportunity to see this. now i'm antsy for part 2! see you then!
Well this is so good that i'm going to watch part 2 , i must also say that you should listen to your dad Johanna as he knows best 😊but really that was so refreshing to watch different generations actually debating each other. thank you both.
Atl is a very American (as in pre-Columbian) word root. One of the kingdoms is said to have been called Atlan. There's a strong possibility it was the Americas. Also, before the YD sea levels were 400 ft lower.
It isn't a possibility, it is indeed fact. There are numerous sources and information showing America is Atlantis, the only problem is that it doesn't fit the white washed version of history, they are always trying to steal our history, culture, and heritage. th-cam.com/video/7kqZyKB6pXg/w-d-xo.html
Mid Atlantic Reef and North America I believe. Was just researching the word Atlan.
@@songofsolomonjrs9939 more of the south American and central due to all the Maya/Temples. But we do have the ancient mound builders in the north Americas (washitaw) and also some that have yet to be uncovered. Actually there are pyramids here in Washington that have yet to be revealed as pyramids which actually aligned with the stars.
@@tlatoanimachi That is a good point. I am in Washington by Olympia and will have to look into there being pyramids. I believe the previous civilization built a lot of these and it most likely was worldwide. Have you heard of the Serpent Mound in Ohio?
Your dad is so sweet to film with you. Great topic and I love the debate so much. I believe Atlantis was a global seafaring organization. This would explain all the pyramids all over and the stylization of them.
You don't have to believe. There is significant evidence of it beyond what you mention: th-cam.com/video/BTd1fRCAvR4/w-d-xo.html
Atlantis, as a capital city, has been found in W. Africa at the Richat. Once people become familiar with all of the details about that location, the debate will be over because no other location can hold a candle to that site as far as physical matches to Plato's description, plus cultural/etymological corroboration.
wow your father is also a musician. cool. I love the way you two interact and are respectful of each other. A great example for families! thanks
This was awesome! Can't wait for the other parts!!! I don't think you two are going to end this in 2 parts....lol!
You need to read Moonwalking with Einstein because it references some older sources on ancient memory techniques some of which are still in use. Excellent book on how ancient people could correctly and vividly recall information.
Awesome channel and content! And it doesn’t hurt that our host is gorgeous!
I'd love to watch you two having Christmas dinner. Both sitting opposite each other getting more and more passionate with your opinion before throwing brussel sprouts at each other!
Both of you have a lot knowledge of this subject and by having these types of debates it helps us understand both sides of the argument.
I like the play between literal translations/perceptions without knowledge of culture or geologic history, and the understanding of geologic and cultural histories guiding the perspective of interpretation and translation.
I have a question for Dad.:
1. How was the research on memory conducted?
2. how many children took part in them?
3. how long did the research take?
4. what conditioning were the children subjected to?
5. for how long were they deprived of access to electronics and only memorization and rewriting took place?
6. how old were the children?
if neither of these things happened, we cannot say with 100% certainty that memory is so unreliable. 2000 years ago there were different times and people had to remember many things because writing was a bit difficult or forbidden in some cases
I really think that Atlantis was located where Santorini is now. Just this morning I read about the debate over whether it was Sodom that was destroyed by an airburst or another settlement. Plato wrote about Atlantis, and like the writers of the bible, prone to exaggeration. The explosion was about 1,500 BC. The after effects were described and exaggerated in the book of Exodus. Plato was born 1k years after the Santorini explosion and his story was obviously second or third hand (and I'm being generous with that). The "Minoans" that lived on Santorini were very advanced-mining copper in Michigan (that's a long voyage). Plato spoke of a legendary group of people and I feel that the Minoans are most likely those people.
No it wasn't. It was America. This has been proven over and over again. Don't get caught up in assumptions. Here is proof with sources. th-cam.com/video/7kqZyKB6pXg/w-d-xo.html
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This was so enjoyable! Such a great debate from both of y'all. I can't wait for the rest!
Very nice debate, your father is very nice and intelligent! I'm anxious for the next part, congratulations :)
I do truly enjoy discussions with my adult children regarding many of these taboo subjects. Except, I am the father in this situation. We have lots of abstract conversations that you simply can not have with most people due to their narrow/rigid way of thinking.
Brilliant, been looking forward to this for a long time. Looking forward to more discussions
I love this, thank you for sharing. Such a nice conversation to have with your father even if you both disagree. You are both setting a very good example of civil exchange of ideas and practicing tolerance. I understand where you're both coming, he's very careful not to listen to apologetics or find what he goes looking for which is a tendency we humans have. It's also important to realize that Plato was a human and all of the ancient humans who wrote books which remain today were also human and had all the human flaws and tendencies and motives we are familiar with, so we have to keep that in mind...At the same time you could balance skepticism (which is good) with open-mindedness and looking at the evidence, using logic, and remaining curious while realising that sometimes we simply don't know what we don't know, and that stories and legends may well be based on some reality,many things may be possible; even if evidence was lacking that is no proof that the thing did not exist. I always say that lack of evidence is not evidence of lack. Well done and thank you for sharing.
An excellent discussion.
But, given archaeological evidence found in recent times, could the concept of Atlantis actually be referring to a civilization that existed before the Younger Dryas?
This, as opposed to a specific geographic location?
It's in E Africa the 5 rings remain today and can be seen from space
I love what you are doing, keep it up ❤
I really enjoyed this debate! It's rather cool that you can sit down and have talk on a topic like this with your DAD!
This is very wholesome. Great discussion with good arguments from both participants and with a very nice father-daughter chemistry.
I loved this so much. Its so great to see a healthy disagreement.
Athens is apparently one of the oldest occupied areas on earth. Their history doesn’t go way back but the evidence is apparently there. I haven’t done the research so I’m using the word apparently.
I loved how he changed the subject from Deluge back to memory at 23:00 haha .... Definitely a difference between memory and memorization, especially in ancient oral records.
As a point humans love temperate weather. They are very willing to move and arrange their whole lives to live places like that.
Sorry Dad, I'm a believer, I know it was told to Paltos, but I also believe knowledge was sacred and his word and name was on the line in my eyes. After seeing the eye of the Sahra the rings,what looks like tons of boat slip all around. It started to open my eyes ,as far as a possibility. Then when I found out, that nearest mountain range is named after Atlas and he was son of Posiden. It started to make more sense and everything fell into place. Would like to see the eye myself but after Jimmy's video it sealed the coffin for me.Thanks for your hard work and it helped that I've seen alot of Jimmy's videos. If you think Atlantis couldn't be destroyed in a single night, than than the miracles in the book of the Bible would seem too unbelievable.
Just to add to this, Pompeji did go down in 2 days and was burried under ash for years. So it is possible
I live on the Far North Coast of New South Wales Australia and many of our local communities including the city of Lismore were destroyed or damaged beyond economic repair in the "unprecedented" floods of the last two months so the idea of Atlantis being destroyed by mud and floods in an end of Ice Age meltwater flood is very believable. Atlantis was situated in sight of the Atlas Mountains which had mountain glaciers (but not continental glaciers) during the Ice Ages.
The thing is there is more accounts than Plato - the Edfu texts, the Aztecs' Aztlan, the Basque's Atlan, the Native American accounts and Mayan accounts. But they all concur that it was an island nation of great tech and power in the Atlantic Ocean. The accounts also all concur that it sank in a single day and night in a great catastrophe. The Edfu texts add that this was precededed by civil war in Atlantis between two factions. Account suggest that Poseid or Poseidia or Poseidon was the main island of Atantis and its capital.
It's in E Africa the 5 rings remain today and can be seen from space
@@dougfunk7506 interesting, I'll have to look into that 🤔 my guess was with the eye of the Sahara also has the rings and what looks like a ton of boats slips around, which is also described, funny how all the desert with their sand where once surrounded by anicent water before our time.
*Hello ancient Jahannah. Hope all is well in Atlantis.*
One of the best debates iv ever seen. Great idea!!! More please
I love this new series! Can’t wait till the next part
My take is "Atlantis" did exist, it didn't sink, it was drowned in the great flood, every culture has the very same story at around the very same time, everyone ran for the ships & got scattered to all four corners of the world when they go to dry land, they settled, then they started to build, they built what they knew, "Pyramids" the Pyramids are different because those that were not able to build before now had the opportunity to build in a style they chose, this is why we have great similarities among cultures that never met, they were all previously the "Same" culture originally, this is also why we have so much "Lost Technology".
There is many accounts of Atlantis (some under different names but same place) in the Edfu Temple texts (the island of the Egg), the Aztecs (Aztlan), Basque (Atlan) Native American (the great motherland in the great seas), etc. and they all state the same thing - it sank in an overnight catastrophe of epic proportions destroying most of the population. Some fled, but the Edfu texts suggests a group came and built the pyramids and temples, left a contingent and returned to what was a civil war in Atlantis. I think there was the sinking and likely a pole shift at the same time. The problem comes with alignments. For example Teotihuacan which has similarities to Giza but was in fact a massive city with huge planning and tech (3 pyramids following Orion) is actually oriented and planned to an older more ancient North pole location (likely near Hudson's Bay - the dates for Teotihuacan are WAY off) which is somewhat confirmed by Aztec stories. Also, we have discovered less than 5% of the Mayan culture which was far more vast. LiDAR is revealing cities with as many buildings as modern-day Manhattan, superhighway (equivalent to 8-10 lanes in modern times) and farming on a scale rivaling modern super-farms.
Some tech was spread into the World, but a lot was likely lost in the sinking of the continent.
LMAO :D This was so much fun to watch. Father & daughter conversing & debating our mainstream school/university taught history & their own analysis & interpretation of their own research . I can see where Jahannah's curiosity, exploration & intelligence comes from. Family ALWAYS seem to be more honest with each other about their opinions, rather than with our friends & strangers. We seem to be less brave(at least for me I guess) to stand our ground & opinion. I experience this with my own family also...HONESTY that is...I'm sometimes brutal with my opinions...so are they ! Gets me into S*** tonnes of trouble with my mum all the time, but at least we're brave enough to agree OR disagree with each other........ At a couple of points of your debate, I could have sworn you were gonna "Deep Heat" your dad ! LMAO :D......Looking forward to watching Part 2. Love your videos. I'm a binge watcher.
How wonderful to watch this healthy debate between parent and child. Wholesome ❤️ Top content.
I think I came in in the middle. Will have to try from the start sometime. I found it a bit dizzy. Do you two always not let the other complete a sentence or an idea? I think if I was in a three way discussion with you two I’d never get to say anything.
Oral records were quite common in the ancient times. For example, the ancient Celts. They never wrote anything about themselves, all we know of them is because of neighboring records (like the Romans). The Celtics priests, called druids, had to go through a 20 year "career" to finally become a druid. They had to memorize everything so that they could do ceremonies and sacrifices and that sort. So, yeah, oral recordings was a thing back in the day and it has some sort of validity to it.
I TOTALLY LOVED your conversation. Very special.
Long term memory and short term memory are totally different. For example, Autistics often have trouble putting certain things into long term memory so the process of doing certain skills never becomes second nature. With ADHD people often have better long term memories and not great short term memories. Or we remember random things others don’t notice. I’m lucky enough to have both so my memory is all over the place. I once asked someone to test me. They asked something they thought I’d never have a reason to remember, “What did your High School guidance counselor look like?” I was never a really high achiever but I told them about her 80’s style fashion and her curly blond hair and her glasses. Then we pulled out the old yearbook and there she was; just as I described. But for the life of me I can’t remember words I really know like, “oh, what is that word? You know the thing with the legs and it’s made of wood; oh, table! I put my purse on the table.” Like people give me a look and sometimes say, “You didn’t know what a table was?” Yes, of course I knew but the word was gone for the moment. And yesterday? Forget it…Unless there is a particularly interesting event my sense of time is jacked. They have done studies to show that for some people (with ADHD and trauma not sure about the rest of the population) the memories are stored in such a way that past events are recalled better than what happened half an hour ago. With trauma some memories are blocked from your recall at all while other traumas are relived over and over as if they are happening right now…because in a way you are, physiologically. What I’m saying is memory is hard to categorize. I even recently had a discussion with people on what was closer to intelligence, “the ability to memorize terms and their definitions or being able to describe an understanding of how something truly works even when you can’t remember the exact terminology. We ended up asking why our school system values rote memorization so highly when innovative thinking is so much more valuable. So, it’s all relative to your experience and you can’t just assume that someone is making something up because they can’t remember what happened yesterday.
Look up the Proto-Saharan Maa Confederation, I believe this is the 10 kingdoms of the Atlantean Empire. This massive ancient african empire spanned the entire Sahara before it was a desert. The Sahara was green and also encompassed the largest freshwater lakes in the world, which allowed them to form an expansive maritime trading culture. That being said, their civilizations clung to riverways. Spreading the culture from Mauritania to Egypt and even as far as south India and the Andaman Isles. These peoples were extremely mobile. There is evidence that they mapped out the old world using Ley Lines centered around egypt (the center of earths landmass), not to mention that there is also evidence that these ancient africans might have had contact with the Americas. There is extensive cultural and genetic evidence (Migrations of Haplogroups A,B,C,E,D) that Egyptians, Nubians, Sumerians, Elamites, Dravidians all shared a progenitor culture. There culture includes the wheel (invented by the Ancient Libyans in 8,000 bce), advanced stone masonry technology (red and black stone pottery), extensive mathematic and astronomical studies, cattle and serpent worship, esoteric wisdom, as well as a unified mother deity called Amaa or Maa (which inspire Kali Maa, Maa Durga, Amun, Ma'at, Yemaya, and the Minaon goddess who is inspired by Mami Wata) who is largely associated with water. To me it is clear that the ancient Greeks (who mind you got their knowledge from Ethiopians and Egyptians) borrowed this story about a real ancient neolithic empire and included themselves and their gods. Just as Greek gods have a Egyptian god equivalent such as (Osiris = Dionysus, Hathor/Isis = Aphrodite, Apollo = Horus) they did they same when mentioning the Atlantean state as the state of Poseidon. Not to mention the Atlas Mountians are in Morroco, North West Africa. This confederation was composed of many different cultures and existed from 12,000 to 5,000 bce in the neolithic age (Also ancient africans were advanced for their time due to the fact they skipped over the bronze age, straight to smithing stronger metals like iron). In fact the word Maa (meaning "my people") can be found almost everywhere from Maasai, Mande, Mandinke, Malinke, Mali, Mauritania, Amazigh, Maghreb, Mauri (aka Moor or Phoenician of West Africa) and much much more. I believe this ancient and nearly unknown empire was the fabled Atlantis that Solon and Plato wrote about. Im not saying that island of Atlantis was the Richat Structure (although I feel it could be likely), but definitely in the West Africa / Atlantic Ocean area, possibly even the Canaries.
Very interesting
Herodotus states, that the name and worship of Poseidon was imported to the Greeks from Libya… Diodorus spoke of Libyan Atlas, the inventor of Astronomy and of the doctrine of the sphere, the son of Poseidon, whom Plato said was the King of Atlantis and whom Herodotus was adamant that he was a Libyan god in origin and that no one knew of Poseidon before the Libyans. Adding up just these simple facts may not solve the mystery, but certainly leads to one conclusion: Berber history and predynastic Egyptian history remain to be written.
Your debate piece about Egypt not being wiped out in the deluge... they weren't even *there* when the deluge occured... by their own description Egypt was founded by the Atlantic survivors of the deluge.. so the 1000 year gap your dad hangs his "chinese whispers" hat upon... is a non-argument. :-) Further, presuming the Egyptians WERE atlantian remnant survivors then it is reasonable to accept that they would be aware of the ancient history from the atlantian perspective.
I heard the Atlanteans came to Egypt but there was a civilization already there but they became the rulers. Hopefully we'll know all the details one day
I think the Zeus/Hades abduction story is true. That was Emmenduranki/Enki taking Pandora/Persephone as his bride when he comes down as Shemihaza chief of the Watchers in the book of Enoch.
Interesting!
@@stonesofdestinytribe if you ever go to Fiji visit the ruins in Ovalau. I think it's one of the Seven Shining Cities of Mu. The locals believe the Tower of the gods that was built by the gods to reach the moon is the Tower of Babel. There is also a huge wall built of rubble that runs and falls into the sea as if there once was land there. Maybe remnants of the tower after it fell? In the bible the Tower that Noah's descendants build they build this time of clay bricks, making me think the first Tower was built of stone. There is also another local legend about the wall. A wizard stole a princess and took her to Ovalau and built the wall to keep others from stealing her.
Finally I made an effort to watch 46 minutes of your debate. 1st I am impressed you two got along so well! My 29 year old daughter would have yelled and punched me hard until I agreed! The American way. But you two, so respectful and British! Thank you for your good example. There is so much detail you are now a rival to Randal Carlson's marathons! Wow Thanks for Doubts Aloud. I will subscribe now as I am a Christian and interested in these topics!
Pops just wants to hear his own voice. Drink that Kool-aid Bubba. Seemed like he just added stuff to documented findings by actual archeological professionals. Stick to the facts, no need to read into them, and add stuff that documentation doesn't say.
This really great - Hay to both of you Wonderful discussion. But your dad made Numerous assumptions on how the Greeks think, and how they used their language. The Biggest one is where he said 'that's not how a 10 year old would talk / think' The Greek educational system as far I can see was far more advanced over today's educational system, I see no reason a 10 year old could not understood, interpreted or related this story accurately. Also at that time words had One Meaning Not Twelve like today. The Greeks did Not misuse their words or language.
I am knocked out by this 'wrinkle' of bringing your dad onto the screen! :) Never seen it before that a 'creator' would do such a thing :thumbs up:. It's clear to see where you got your ease in front of the camera and general confidence from, good lady :D.
P.S. Edit: Loved your "stop poking holes in the fabric of my ideas ...dad!" expression at some points :chuckles in sympathy:
Great episode, really nice to see you have a lovely relationship with your father. Really looking forward to the trip to Peru with Brien Foerster in November. Keep up the great work.
A fully clothed, brilliant, young lady having a healthy, intellectual discussion about Plato with her father?!?!
Am I in the right place...is this the same internet that has the 'cash me outside' young lady (who is a multi-millionaire)?
He is so condescending to his own daughter and and doesn’t even allow her to speak. He sounds like he has no respect for her or her point of view, while she is showing respect for his point of view. I would never do this to my daughter
are you having a laugh?
I loved hearing the two of you going back and forth!
And I love you two picking apart each other love this one do more or a few more debates !!
Atlantis was real.
Never mind Plato, he is way off.
The first line of the Emerald tablets of Thoth is 'I, Thoth the Atlantean...' This is confirmation.
Thoth is where we get the word 'truth' and 'thought.'
Thoth does not lie. Period.
Were he to lie, and be discovered, everything he has written would unravel.
It would never happen.
The kings of Atlantis are the gods of Egypt.
Dad is constantly interrupting her and often laughing at her ideas. He is insecure in his argument and must resort to tactics to win. He also asks her rhetorical questions which he then answers, while interrupting her. He is more concerned about being right than finding the truth. She is being respectful to him as her father, which is commendable. I find this difficult to watch, because of his constant power plays. Maybe not a great idea to debate your father?
I didn't see it that way at all. He didn't interrupt her or try to push his thought process any more than she did back. It was pretty even.
One thing for your dad to consider is that the memory capability of ancient man, Greek and all the others, were much much better than ours. They had little to no distractions like tv, iPads, phones, media etc.. As technology increases, memory decreases. The oral traditions were the records of that time and great pride was taken to keep the stories ,memories, as correct as possible. With very little distractions and the story keepers was an actual job, those ancient stories are full of facts.
To see this type of intellectual exchange between father and daughter makes my spirit sore. So much information is contained in this series, remarkable.
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yes, you arguing in the same style.
you two must have a fantastic relationship to be able to disagree so much, yet the love you have for each other is palpable.
brilliant, never let that change.
you are both welcome to come here and have tea. we can watch indiana jones then play crazy golf in my garden. :)
The further back we go in history, the more we need to use our creative imagination to fill the gaps in evidence. There's the saying that magic begins where logic ends, and similarly, I'd twist this by saying that mythology begins where archeology fails to find hard evidence. Even accepted ancient history is largely fiction, based on interpretations of rather flimsy evidence. I love letting my mind expand beyond the widely accepted timelines of history, and as more serious researchers start exploring our "mythological" past, the archeology backing it up will also emerge - and this is already happening. We can't see new things unless we actually expand the way we look. Quantum physics and cosmology are good examples of this. Love your channel, and this debate was highly entertaining! Much love to both of you.
Awesome as usual. I look forward to part two!
Beautiful back and forth between you both. So nice to see such healthy debate. I’d have to agree that memory is different to oral tradition, the indigenous peoples of Australia used oral tradition not only to pass on stories and beliefs but also boundaries in of country and important sites both spiritual and sources of food water etc. these oral traditions have been passed on for thousands of years in which through such song lines places can still be accurately found today.
Enjoyed this immensely! Please do this again in the future. Cheers! Dave J
Jahanna's Father must be super proud of his daughter. We can all see what a great of a job he did raising her. Nice family.
This was awesome!! More Dad Debates!
It’s like how we all used to have a figurative telephone book in our brains and now we don’t because our brains are used for other things now. Your right on the money in saying memorizing information is completely different than memory. Memory is convoluted with emotions and time.
Ahhh! It ended too soon! So excited for part 2!!!!
Wow youre both so smart! Nice to see/hear father and daughter having a very informative discussion.
Jahanna, I like the way you study our history that has been forgotten / changed. Wether thru ignorance or by design, the evidence is there of world changing disaster that destroyed many civilizations and species during Earth's history. I see much of what you do and encourage you to keep digging! There are too many similarities in the ancient destroyed structures that cannot be dated world wide. I believe these structures are much, much older than the narrative. Look under the deep sea near Cuba.
I love your wide eyed enthusiasm! Listening to you and your Dad reminds me of my Dad in the way that he isn't going to back down because he is your father. He has been teaching you all your life and reversing roles is difficult! Keep hunting and digging, the truth is out there! The puzzle is solved one piece at a time!
BTW Andrew, the tradition of Master-Apprentice is long and noteworthy for the ability to pass along precise details. Verbtaim learning was a thing, a talent held by quite a lot of people and that we have mostly lost with the advent of books everywhere. The way we view memory is NOT how the ancients used it.
Also, only just getting in to this, but Plato dated it and just happened to hit on a date that coincides with a time we KNOW had a massive worldwide cataclysm.