Some takes are insightful and some I feel are hot. :) Sce absolutely, you are typically very aggressive and mainly want to win by doubling (like the winner from worlds). The new terrain piece really helps. Karazai can be a little different but, yeah...I think this is also a problem with the game in general now though, prio and double turn feels less interesting and more problematic. I don't understand the FEC take. Is it a teams thing? Edit: Looked up the LotM recursion thing and I get it now...bit awkward rules writing right there.
Well, SCE just won WCW 😂. The one list (Krondys + Palladors and stuff) is definitely overtuned. In general, I'd like to see Krondys, palladors and Karazai nerfed and see some of the less optimal picks buffed (Ionus, Yndrasta, Bastian are so bad like cmon)
FS needs diversity like yesterday, Ogors needs an absolute and TOTAL rework. Every letter and number needs to change. That index SUCKED. Gargants will always be hard to balance.
I have no idea what is making FEC good but it sounds like something an FAQ will remove imminently. Also Lumineth with 40 sentinels is not even remotely scary when they can be tagged with such ease. Even if it was good, that doesn't drag the army out of C tier
it's funny, around 33:12 they were about to talk about khorne and why they think it's so good, but immediately got distracted. all the talk about things being so dependent on getting the double or getting doubled, with no elaboration on why or who or any specifics as to why it's being brought up in that particular instance. weird mention of some things getting 5-0's but not being S, all feels very wishy washy lol. kruleboyz take is very correct tho lolol
@ maybe they are referring to their own local meta? GT stats don’t really support their conclusions. So their “tier list” will have to be put in the Bin.
My opponent did a big alpha engaging Marrowscroll Herald and a unit of Horrors. I countercharged with Morbheg Knights and rolled a 3+ for Herald's ability to give me strike-first. Having feeding frenzy on both units I was able to kill everything that charged me which was Khorne (so not the tankiest of armies)
@@Mus7a Can you also elaborate on what is meant by the recursion being broken, if ruled a certain way, it didn't really make sense to me, how they said it.
@@MKDietzthat one I understand more Lords of the Manor let's you return an extra knight when you use an ability that returns models. Muster support let's you spend 2 noble deeds to return a knight. Muster Support is not once per turn locked so you can spend 2 noble deeds multiple times to return 2 knights each time. Additionally Rally is an ability that returns models. So with Cruel Taskmaster you rally on 10d6, which should get you 5 successes which heals a knight one, returns a slain knight and Lords of the Manor returns an additional knight (9 healing from 1 rally)
@@Mus7athank you, makes so much more sense now. I thought the rolling a 3+ was somehow tied to the conversation about the TO ruling on returning models
Reserve S-tier for game warping stuff. A-tier being the highest is fine if the game isn't completely broken.
Great stuff, this is quickly becoming my favourite channel for competitive AoS. I NEED to know what this reclusian list mentioned is!
"Stormcast still needs to prove itself, it hasn't won anything"
Aged like milk with WCW champ taking SCE 😬
37:54 I ate FeC for breakfast, it belongs in BIN!
If you think Ogors are Bin tier, try building a list with the army of renown
Bin²
What FeC list do you folks see as being this powerful?
Genuine question, why FEC so high?
Some takes are insightful and some I feel are hot. :) Sce absolutely, you are typically very aggressive and mainly want to win by doubling (like the winner from worlds). The new terrain piece really helps. Karazai can be a little different but, yeah...I think this is also a problem with the game in general now though, prio and double turn feels less interesting and more problematic.
I don't understand the FEC take. Is it a teams thing? Edit: Looked up the LotM recursion thing and I get it now...bit awkward rules writing right there.
Also maybe make a video what the bottom 6 armies need according to you? Maybe GW takes notes.
Well, SCE just won WCW 😂.
The one list (Krondys + Palladors and stuff) is definitely overtuned. In general, I'd like to see Krondys, palladors and Karazai nerfed and see some of the less optimal picks buffed (Ionus, Yndrasta, Bastian are so bad like cmon)
FS needs diversity like yesterday, Ogors needs an absolute and TOTAL rework. Every letter and number needs to change. That index SUCKED. Gargants will always be hard to balance.
I have no idea what is making FEC good but it sounds like something an FAQ will remove imminently. Also Lumineth with 40 sentinels is not even remotely scary when they can be tagged with such ease. Even if it was good, that doesn't drag the army out of C tier
Crazy to see this tier shows
FEC is not A tier, BoK is not A tier, LRL is not B tier.
it's funny, around 33:12 they were about to talk about khorne and why they think it's so good, but immediately got distracted. all the talk about things being so dependent on getting the double or getting doubled, with no elaboration on why or who or any specifics as to why it's being brought up in that particular instance. weird mention of some things getting 5-0's but not being S, all feels very wishy washy lol. kruleboyz take is very correct tho lolol
@ maybe they are referring to their own local meta?
GT stats don’t really support their conclusions. So their “tier list” will have to be put in the Bin.
Tier list on the ropes
lumineth in b seems ridiculous
Yeah, they're upper C at best
What's the Reclusians list they're talking about? I've only seen the Palladors + Krondys list
Might be Anttu's list at WCW?
@@jasonmclaughlin5647 Do you have the list?
Switching from IJ to IDK... IDK feels like S tier!
Froggy Fresh
Love the show but you guys saying SCE havent won anything aged kinda poorly in the last few hours. XD
Can someone explain the 3+ TO scenario with FEC and the 3+
My opponent did a big alpha engaging Marrowscroll Herald and a unit of Horrors. I countercharged with Morbheg Knights and rolled a 3+ for Herald's ability to give me strike-first. Having feeding frenzy on both units I was able to kill everything that charged me which was Khorne (so not the tankiest of armies)
@@Mus7a Can you also elaborate on what is meant by the recursion being broken, if ruled a certain way, it didn't really make sense to me, how they said it.
@@MKDietzthat one I understand more
Lords of the Manor let's you return an extra knight when you use an ability that returns models. Muster support let's you spend 2 noble deeds to return a knight. Muster Support is not once per turn locked so you can spend 2 noble deeds multiple times to return 2 knights each time.
Additionally Rally is an ability that returns models. So with Cruel Taskmaster you rally on 10d6, which should get you 5 successes which heals a knight one, returns a slain knight and Lords of the Manor returns an additional knight (9 healing from 1 rally)
@@Mus7athank you, makes so much more sense now. I thought the rolling a 3+ was somehow tied to the conversation about the TO ruling on returning models
@@DemandredTaim That's how I'm reading the ability as well, is this what's in question? If it should be once per ability or once per phase?
SCE S-tier! ;)
This videos gunna piss me off huh?….my money is on yep