I come away from Paul's videos feeling better informed with solid facts as opposed to hearsay and bias. Anyone can spout a little history lesson on their channel after a little reading and web surfing, go out hit some balloons and bottles, chuckle and act like their wise. Paul obviously comes from serious life experiences and has the credentials to back up what he says; because he is a professional and that should be apparent in the way he speaks, shoots and does a methodical break down and analysis. I am willing to bet that a lot of FBI folks are tuned into his channel, just wouldn't surprise me.
МЭF15ТФFДL VЄЯↁЦИЅНДЄL are you being sarcastic? If not, there is another great TH-cam show where a guy shoots pots, hence the smoking pot comment. If you know, you know.
Paul once picked up 12 ribs, 6 t-shirts, 24 soda jugs, 6 watermelons, and 6 pig ears. When the clerk asked him what he was gonna do with all of those bizarre items, he simply said: "You be the judge.".
The difference between these two calibers for me is this: Right now, there is a 2 box limit on 45acp (and 380acp and 9mm) at my store, and that's if there is even any for sale which is often not the case. At the same store there is a pallet with over 20,000 rounds of .40 s&w sitting on it. So no matter what the ballistics are of any caliber, I'll take the one I can shoot today.
This is something we are all learning. I bought 9mm weapons years ago because they are so common and I thought finding ammo would be easy. In a crisis, I've found that common ammo is not at all commonly available. Less popular caliber ammo is more available. Availability is key.
@snoopy dubnation If you are worried about the very real possibility that a civil conflict occurs soon, and you can either get armed with 17 HMR or be unarmed, then yes. But also buy ammo for your other guns any chance you get.
My buddy and I bought firearms this year he bought a 9mm and a AR. Arm and a leg for ammo. I got the judge which fires .45lc or 410 and a .40; ammo everywhere for less then either of his firearms.
Amateur shooter here. I've watched 100's of videos from probably as many shooters. Just started watching Harrell's videos. I have learned more from EACH one of his than all the others combined. He is a true teacher and his knowledge is unparalleled. Outstanding!
A buddy was buying a pistol at a local shop a while back and he told me the story. A guy mentioned that he wanted a self defense pistol but it had to be accurate to 60 yards. And some other guy spoke up and said, "if you think 60 yards counts as self defense, what you'll need is a really good lawyer.". That popped up in my brain when you mentioned 60 yard bulket drop.
I work for police (IT) they often have engagements farther than that. If you can't hit a target that far you need to train more at least to hit 50 yards.
I agree. What is more, he never calls someone stupid for anything, even when he demonstrates the flaws in someone else's thinking. Paul is a true professional!
If the objective of a .40 S&W was to get .45ACP like performance out of a 9mm framed pistol, as opposed to outperform a .45 ACP, I'd say the round delivered in spades.
The objective was to be the middle round between a 9 mm and a 10 mm. And it performed perfectly. Unless it is just too much Pistol for you and I'm not mocking you I'm just saying unless it is. The 40 Cal is the best Pistol hands-down
You can do it too! Most people just don't take the time to train (or have the facilities) for accuracy at a distance. Here's how my range session looks like when working on accuracy. 1. Loosen up, do some dry fire practice and draw/present from holster. 2. Shoot a patch. 1" patch plastered on a IPSC target, from 10 feet, shoot it completely off the target. Take all the time and rounds you need. 3. Move out to a distance from which you can still see the bullet holes. Put up a bright, contrasting, post-it sticky at the center of your IPSC target. Draw from holster and put one bullet thru the post-it. Repeat and increase speed gradually (push yourself to failure), replace post-it as needed. 4. Do the same drill with a 6-8" steel plate for instant feedback. Start at 10 yards and work your way out in 5 yard increments. 5 hits on the steel = move back. Balance speed and accuracy. Quality in every shot. 5. Fun drill of the day to finish off the ammo. Not too ammo intensive but very effective. Soon you'll be hitting that 8" plate at 50 yards and the IPSC target at 100. Best of luck!
Years ago I was ok at 50 yards at a man size target with a 6" barrel Model 27. Typically one flyer, two either near misses or hits in non-vital areas, and three solid hits. With an autoloader, I'd be lucky to keep half the shots on the paper. Then I watch Paul with great groups at 50 to 100 yards. And Jerry Milchliuk (spelling?) Hit a ballon at 1,000 yards on his second shot with a stinking 9mm. They make me feel so bad about myself being a pathetic little excuse for a shooter. Then I perk up because it means I just need to practice more!
Got both, love em both. If I was forced to choose though I'd have to go with my .45 1911. It's a little more high matinance but I can shoot it better and I feel like it will last longer than my .40 m&p2.0. I love my smith and it's very accurate and reliable but of the 2 the 1911 wins because of the materials, great trigger and my ability to shoot it with great accuracy.
The price issue is the ammo, 45 acp ammo cost more than 40 sw and less available than the 40 sw, gun price is about the same if you are not trying to get a 1911. But why would you get 45 acp and not have it in 1911? 45 acp is a preference caliber for self defense. In terms of capacity, price, practicality, and EDC , 9 mm and 40 sw are much better than 45 acp. 45 acp 1911 is for gun enthusiasts. I have a 45 acp 1911 just to have it, I switch between glock 26 and 27 for EDC. At most I'll use the 1911 at the range for fun and as a backup gun for home defense. But I train extensively for self defense with 9 mm and 40 sw.
As always very thorough. I was trained in the early 1970's, the old FBI style, revolvers out to 60 yards. In real life my longest gunfight was 12 feet, 3 under 10 ft and 2 at about 4 ft. Believe it or not I was trained to use a 1911 out to 100 yards. I've used only used 2 calibers in those gunfights a 357 S&W model 27 and a 1911. As good as both those calibers are, I cursed my stupidity for not having my 870 12 ga. Fortunately for me the good Lord and luck kept me safe.
@@douganderson7002 From the 70's till the late 90's when we locked up enough people, the crime rate was crazy high and shootouts/gunfights were not uncommon for police. Casualties were high also till body armor became commonplace . Its absolutely possible that the poster had that many incidents over a career. If it was say 20 years , that is one every 3 years which isn't that many for the era.
I carry a PPQ loaded with Fed HST 165 GRAIN .40 and it is pretty devastating to anything I've shot with it. I certainly wouldn't want to get hit by it.
In general both rounds are not the same. Didn’t even know they made a .45 that light. If both rounds do happen to be similar then round count is the next determining factor (some would say it should be the preliminary factor) and with that being said, .40 always wins.
@@user-sv6jg1vw7o Watch this video. Maybe a new solid-copper projectile from Lehigh Defense would interest you, more than the caliber wars. th-cam.com/video/ClJcJ8LQFbQ/w-d-xo.html
You have to wonder what the cashier at his local grocer thinks of him though, when every time he comes in he buys thirty two litter crappy sodas, watermelons, oranges, and pork ribs.
You are a absolute gem to the documentary presentation enjoying gun nuts. I really appreciate your dedication, it's like watching PBS, when PBS was PBS.
Have carried both as duty weapons. Trained 100s of officers on both. Had better results with marginal shooters with the 45 vs the 40. I preferred the 45 over time only because the 40 caused more parts failures for our special ops shooters and officers who took advantage of shooting a lot at ur range. Good video Paul.
Hey folks, lets promote this channel in the comment section of other gun channels...just to give other gun enthusiasts a chance to learn ..rather than just getting questionable entertainment
Well said, it's obvious many gun channels on YT are just "tacticool entertainment" consisting of an overly long "show and tell" with ZERO real world ballistic testing unlike Paul's videos.
+kriz zzz I don't know, if people are still watching some of those other gun channels, many of them, then I'm not so sure they have the right stuff between their ears to be watching this one.
I love how logical, calm and intelligent you are, in any subject you choose to discuss. It shows your due diligence on the matter, and your dedication to truly educating people. Specially in a field, which involves potential lives at risk. Thank you, and keep up your fantastic work.
+georgjohnsmith: You could answer your own question to your own satisfaction by WATCHING some Paul Harrell videos. But you just sound like an attention-seeking troll, so please trundle off & get lost. Thanks.
+Michael Shapiro. Dear Michael, exactly how f***** up your "life" is? How desperate you must get to defend a youtuber from an obvious joke? Do you also smash the heads of children on the street when you hear them laugh?
Paul: This .45 has a huge grip that doesn't fit my hand well, and it has a lower ammo capacity. *Commences to shoot the 45 faster and more accurately than the other handgun.
A similar thing happened in his Walther PPK/S vs. Bersa Thunder 380 video; He talked about how much more experience (a decade plus if I am recalling correctly) with the PPK/S he had, and that the Bersa had a horrendous trigger. He then proceeded to shoot a tighter grouping in his accuracy test with the Bersa. There are definitely a few head scratchers every now and then with Paul's vids; my favorites are his ammo tests where he tests an ammo that supposedly is very effective according to ballistic gel tests (like on lucky gunner labs), but end up being sub-par on the meat target.
@@ExceptionalPleb My thought exactly. Bones are hard targets that will crack and break, absorbing a lot of energy from a passing bullet, kinda like a ceramic plate (though obviously nowhere near the same efficacy). If you ever have to shoot a real target, you need to factor bone into the equation somehow.
@@keithgraham9547 It must come down to weight and balance. It may feel uncomfortable in terms of grip but perhaps the heavy barrel and magazine well give a solid return to original position while the .40 floats more?
@@keithgraham9547 well, Lucky Gunner is replicating the FBI's testing methods. Paul is going at it from a medical perspective, which frankly I put more stock in than a block of Jell-O. So far, that I know of, there have only a small handful of, as Paul calls them, "hyper ammo" that have performed equally well in both tests; the one that comes to mind is the 40 S&W Winchester Ranger T-Series. In my opinion, the Lehigh/Underwood .380 Extreme Defender gives the .380 a much needed boost to it's viability...and I say this going off of both gel tests I've seen, and Paul's own meat target tests. But aside from concealed carry, I'd rather go with .40 or .45 ACP. Yes, I know of the much repeated line from the FBI report stating modern 9mm is equal to a .45...which smells like horseshit. There's got to be something omitted (like bean counting, and lesser training), because from everything I have researched, which admittedly involved a lot of staring at Lucky Gunner tables, the best 9mm hollow point out there, that penetrates to about 14 inches or greater in gel, expands to about .65 of an inch or the width of a dime. The best .45 ACP, same penetration depths, expands to 1 inch, or about the size of a quarter. The best .40 does .85 of an inch, about a nickel. Now I may not have passed discreet mathematics in college, nor trained at THE academy, but I damn sure can tell ya a quarter is bigger than a dime, all things being equal...sorry, went off on a huge tangent there...
A very good presenter based on fact, not emotion. What I learned is that I don't need a 40 in addition to the 45 I had. I'd feel the same if the reverse were true.
A great round in 9 mm is just as effective. There’s less than three or four percentage points difference from the best nine to Either 40 Cal or 45 Cal, if you don’t get the best round possible for the 10 mm it’s worse than the other three
Exactly right. I could only see minimal benefit between the two. If you're below average stature (body weight) go with the .40 and enjoy two extra shots and 5-10 yards of accuracy. If you're larger stature, go .45 and enjoy the benefits of .40 over .38 (9mm) with even greater close in destruction. .45 doesn't feel awkward to me despite average or smaller stature. The weight is comforting and returns the sight ti true faster despite the added recoil. It's more about how you play the fiddle than who made the damned thing.
@@TechAndMotorcycles No, that is not what he said. They are remarkably similar in all aspects. What he said was to choose what is most comfortable for you and best fits your budget. That he would not feel "under-gunned" with either. Other than the grip size, the AMMO you choose will largely dictate which one performs better.
This is by far the most exhaustive comparison of the 40 vs 45 cartridges done by anyone. Great job and thank you for all of the effort it takes to make a presentation like this!
The .40 S&W was designed to put the power of a .45 ACP in a 9mm package, so since they are both very close it shows the .40 has fulfilled its concept. Thanks Paul.
No lol, Paul clarifies that ammo selection plays a factor on power and velocity. You can get stout ammo in both calibers and both will do just fine in defensive situations.
The history I've read does not agree with the original post. Best as I remember, after the FBI Miami Dade disaster, LE wanted an autoloader for capacity and hitting power. In the Miami fight, I think several FBI agents had 357 Magnums, but 38 Special +P ammo. One or two had a 9mm, one a shotgun. Paul has a video on it FBI goes to 9mm. Underpowered. They try 10mm. Too powerful, lot of agents do poorly with it, and cost of ammo is too high. Went to 40 S&W. Good results, but kind of a "tweener." LE teams up with SIG Sauer, gets an excellent 357 SIG round (which should be called 9mm Magnum). Lib Congressman threatens to outlaw 357 SIG, the ammo gets watered down. Costs a lot for ammo and wear on guns. Ammo and gun industries say "we have the magic 9mm round with new, improved technology! Now available in pink!" Everybody buys in to The One Round To Rule Them All, even though all real statistics I find do not bear out the claims. So 9mm is a compromise round that is relatively cheap, and easier to shoot for mediocre shooters, which most people are. 40 S&W is kind of that confused identity round. Colin Noir has a comedy video on it, even. A perfectly good round that is losing market share because of marketing about 9mm being all that and the proverbial bag of chips.
Concur wholeheartedly. Only discovered this channel a couple days ago. Extremely informative, well-spoken, great demonstrations and, most of all, eschews all the tacticool crap prevalent on TH-cam.
The Stoned Videogame Nerd That actually did make me snort... 🤣 Need to spread the word on this channel. I've actually **learned** more in the dozen or so so videos I've watched than I have in years. Actually reminds me of when I first started learning to shoot as an adolescent, only obviously more advanced. No BS, no "this cartridge sucks and you're a loser for using it," no tacticool machismo 💩 and absolutely no attitude... packed with perfect humor.
Great vid! Kinda just proves wat I've always said when comparing the two.With modern ammo they are almost identical. But with the .40 you can get .45 performance in a smaller , lighter weapon and have added ammo capacity. I'll always be a .45 guy, but for concealed carry, the .40 just makes more sense mathematically and comfortably. That is just my opinion though. I still carry a 45 sometimes in the winter when clothing and holster choices are more conducive to a larger CCW.
This is part of why I like .40. Very close in performance to .45, but cheaper and generally higher capacity. You just have to be very careful about choosing the right platform.
Paul is the best. I love how he states the 21 does not fit his hand as well but then proceeds to shoot the 45 more accurately both fast and slow and then knocks down the metal more quickly with the 45.
Another plus for me is that,at least round my way,I consistently find more ammo for the .40 than all of my other pistols with different calibers.In these times, it’s a big plus
Paul is awesome. Although I have shot for nerly 50 years, I always learn something from his videos, and especially appreciate the fact that he conveys knowledge without preconceived notions or unnecessary drama.
Great video Paul. This was interesting to me because of my 36 years as a LEO I carried the G21 for about 7 years and then the G22 for about the next 7 years until I retired. If I was given a choice I would have continued to carry the 21 but due to varying hand sizes in the department it was decided we would all be issued the 22. Even though I preferred the 21, as you stated at your conclusion, I didn't feel under gunned with either weapon. It was definitely more reassuring carrying autos over revolvers due to number of rounds in the gun and faster reloading.
Cementing them together and adding the weight of the entire structure gives them a lot more strength. I wouldn't build a bunker out of them, but its definitely okay for a house.
Buildings build with blocks like that typically have the holes filled in with concrete, significantly increasing their strength and durability, and plenty of "bunkers" have been built with concrete blocks, though if you can afford it, steel would be better for a "bunker".
Excellent work Paul! I don’t always say so but I really appreciate your no-bullshit approach; the testing you do is definitely some of the best around IMO.
"and I'll shoot from 60 yards". Dude you are my hero. I don't know anybody able to casually say and shoot that far away right past their camera like it's nothing. Haha. Your channel is my go-to for thorough information.
I just watched this on my big screen, but had to comment so I went to my laptop. I have learned more from you Paul, than all the other experts that I have been exposed to, and truly you are not only knowledgeable, but one hell of a shot. Thank you for your educational videos.
Saving people money and time Thank you for the most realistic tests and explanations. I have noticed the comments are positive above average on Paul's channel compared to others I see. That's pretty good consistent content quality.. I can not emagen the work that goes in to these videos. There should be TH-cam creators taking notes.
Remember, something reloaders have know forever, every gun is an individual with individual preferences. This is a fact, so even if he tests the same model you have that ammo might not be the best fit for your individual gun, ( whether it’s barrel is rifled or not and whether you loosely call it a weapon or not). Still there’s a LOT of value in his presentations.
Spoiled kids. They typically want a 'cool'-looking gym rat covered with tats or a hot chick to present, seizure-inducing editing and music, and tacticool toys useless in real life. Now since hickok45 did manage 2.7M subs I really think that Paul deserves a lot more than he gets. His subs seem to be loyal, quality ones, though, and growing slowly but steadily... which will happen when you are about substance over style.
My Name Is Legion Well said. I always read Paul's comments section because of the high level of education and substance. Many familiar names. Side note, I recently bought the Gen4 G22 and the grip barely fits my smaller than average hands; owning a subcompact G27 for twenty years developed the right muscle memory for, what really is, oversized grips for my hands. I love the new gun but can't imagine trying to hang on to that G21 double stack. Watching Paul shoot both guns was a thing of beauty, and he makes the Glock transition look like there isn't one. I don't know many guys who can shoot the Glock as well as Paul unless they exclusively train with the Glock. I don't know if the general public realizes the significance of this and what it says about Paul's ability to shoot pretty much... anything.
+Brad Erickson Yeah, the 10 shot groups for speed, with unfamiliar major caliber, from 15 yd ... yikes! Paul's training, experience, and skill really shows.
seth tenrec RIGHT!? I know his "posse" only recently procured that 22 and the 21 even more recently. I don't care how many takes I make, I'm never duplicating those speed groups with a platform I've been shooting all of my adult life. I think what Paul does with all firearms is as difficult as trying to hit a 100mph fast ball. Only a handful of people in the world can do either.
I don’t think I’m the only person reviewing Mr. Harrell’s older work. Has anyone noticed, either his editing is absolutely seamless, or he nails his presentation in one go, and also without notes? Simply amazing.
This video needed to exist. People like to say the .45 ACP is dead and obsolete, but based on the following demonstration, .40 and .45 are neck in neck. It was like watching the .22 LR vs .25 ACP Pocket Pistol video you made a few years back; the differences between the two are minimal at best and weight and fair comparisons shine a clearer reality of the calibers. If I can afford to own it, shoot it, and it fills my intended roles, it works. Period. Thanks for landing another blow to the Caliber debate Paul 👍🏼.
Wasabi Kicks Yankee Marshall calls it 45 aarp and says it's old technology. Then again that's coming from the guy who says the Chiapas rhino is the best concealed carry gun.
Nick Harrell Chiappa Rhino's are aesthetically unique in a sci-fi kind of way. But I don't believe they are worth the price. It's an attempt at reinventing the wheel when the wheel is already functional, of course there are always different materials you could use to make the wheel that make it fresh or bring it into the modern age, but it will still function just as well. That aside, no one can really sit there and tell me the .45 ACP is not effective, Nor can they say the same for the 9mm. I use to regularly carry a .25 ACP and it was effective to me based on its highly compact size and light recoil (ammo prices suck to say the least) but it wasn't a range rat. With proper handling, training, and fair knowledge of human anatomy ANY caliber can be made effective. Especially if we observe Paul's studies and factor in ammo selection.
Some youtubers are always looking for a way to get more views, not to provide the best and most trustworthy content. TYM is relatively gun smart, but like a guy who's been hanging out on forums for years (which he has - I remember seeing him on those like 12-14 years ago now), not like a guy with a lot of training or experience. He is a 'hobbyist', i.e. someone who has the money to buy a lot of guns and enjoys looking at them and talking about them... more than shooting them. When was the last (or first) time you saw him shoot? His creds are paper thin and his near-use of force (brandishing at an intersection) story is pathetic. Like a train wreck I can't help watching some of his videos when bored and at least he has the balls to voice some controversial opinions, but it's the contrarian and troll in him more than the thinking man. His video on the .45 ACP is a joke made purely for the controversy, just like Yeager (an old TYM man crush) and his "1911s suck" or "the .40 sucks" ones.
My Name Is Legion I absolutely agree. When it comes to firearms I like to think I keep an open mind, primarily due to budget constraints and also because a lot of firearm selection is trial and error. In the beginning I had a tendency to underrate firearms I already owned and pick ones that didn't suit my needs. From .40 to .380 to .25 to 9mm to .25 again the issue didn't become the caliber in my case but what worked for my circumstances and budget. The .25 ACP works for me based on concealability and recoil, but I hate the price of ammo and I already have given my reliance to a Brand or model that is not particularly well made, but works as needed (and just based on my experience alone Jimenez Arms and Ravens are stellar and more reliable than Rohm). I learned that through trial and error. I'm just fortunate that it didn't happen when it actually counted and my circumstances didn't have me smack in the middle of a bad neighborhood again. Sometimes all we have is what we know to educate others and help them along. I will never discourage someone from a .25 if It works for them, I will give them my most humble recommendation because of my strange romance for the little Caliber, but the same goes for any gun; get what suits the user, practice and train regularly, and apply knowledge to any and all scenarios. I always recommend Paul because his videos pertain to the realism not the Bearded, Tatted fantasy of Duke Nukem wanna be's: Everyone wants to kick ass and chew gum, but few want to use common sense and logic.
The Rhino is certainly interesting. I've never shot one, but I want to. I want to feel the difference in felt recoil from a 6 o'clock firing position. It's definitely not worth the price, but it'd be nice if that kind of innovation was more prevalent and more accessible to us common folk.
I'm late to the show and just discovered this channel a couple weeks ago. I have missed out. Great channel, great information, and I have been learning 👍 So thank you.
every able mind should be aware using barbeque meat for target practice is against all universal goodwill and should be punished with a vegan diet for life.
Dammit Paul ! If I shot as well as you do, I'd probably be comfortable with a 25 caliber pistol ! Thanks ever so much for efforts. Please keep up the great work for us .
Thanks for the in depth analysis! I love your videos, and with the self lock-down that the world is suffering through now, your videos are a wonderful diversion from the horror that is killing of a lot of folks around the globe.
I love your videos! They are very informative. Ever since I was in the Corps in the mid 60’s and in Vietnam I’ve always felt comfortable with the 1911. I always qualified expert with one and I have large hands so I like larger guns. I did however purchase a Beretta 92 in .40 caliber. I also loved it because of its size. I did however give it to my son when he went into the police academy. He still has it 20 years later.
Thanks; great video! I am very comfortable with my 1911. It is the same gun that I had in the Army; it served me well during war and it serves me well, after.
Bottom line, to each their own for caliber (whether it be 9mm, 38spl/357mag, 40s&w/357sig, or 45acp), buy some quality ammunition, and train. Doesn't matter it you have a 22LR or a 500S&W Magnum if you can't hit the intended target's vitals.
I myself have noticed that when I shoot both my 40 and 45 the recoils are slightly different. The Glock 23 has more snap to the recoil while the 30 feels more like a push back against the hand.
thanks so much Paul, first time handgun buyer and this video (along with other sources) helped me to decide what caliber to go with. Ultimately I went with an M&P 40. Thanks for your excellent work.
Thank you Mr. Harrell, your videos are very informative. What I take away from this is, these two calibers are very similar, with the .45 ACP being a bit more robust. I have both calibers in my collection and feel confident carrying either one.
I carry a Colt 1911, 8 round magazine . Yes old school ,I have had the weapon since I was in the army 30years ago. I carry two spare mags . If I need something more powerful with more rounds I will go get a rifle. K.I.S.S . Principal. Great video thanks.
I love to carry my Springfield Range officer under my jacket in a WW2 tanker style holster during the winter months. I've heard all the excuses like ammo capacity with the 1911 but the fact is I don't shoot anything else as well as that gun and if 8 rounds of 45 acp isn't enough you'd probably be screwed anyway.
@@wagstag89 that's for sure 👍. The guys that need 17+ rounds really don't know how to shoot they just fire Thier gun towards the object to be stopped knowing they have that many rounds to fire off and sadly to say they will still probably miss Thier target. I have a S&W 40 with two 14 round magazines and doubt it very seriously if I have to use it fire more than 4-5 rounds unless there are a bunch of bad guys then I will need those other rounds, but I never think of just firing until I run out that's just stupid. Shit placement is key and you might have to fire two rounds of JHP'S .
@@brianb900 great be comfortable with what you carry, I love my 40 S&W SDVE , No recoil to me and I'm very comfortable with everything about it, wouldn't trade it for anything else.
Hey Paul. Just wanna say I love your videos. They are no bullshit. You make things pretty blunt & seem really non biased, which I greatly respect. God bless you. Keep up the good work!
16:07 Too funny, seeing the first set destroyed , then the second set Obliterated, literally lmao at the bottles , each shot got sequentially wilder results. This is entertaining and Paul explains things so that you aren't left with a dozen questions at the end, thorough and to the point, very informative.
Great vid. Paul u are a very well spoken and knowledgeable person and one of the few i respect when it comes to firearms and ammo knowledge. Great job and thanks for taking the time out of your schedule to make these videos.
I'm going to be the judge and say that even though the .45 doesn't fit your hand as well and may be uncomfortable to shoot, you shot it better than the .40.
In my personal opinion. The 40 vs 45 is like the 9mm vs 38spl. They are similar in a lot of ways but also different enough that you'll want to do shooting with each caliber to see what you like. Personally I carry a 40s&w almost all days of the week besides Sunday when I got to church, I carry a snub nose 38spl +p to hide it better in my clothes
And experienced too. Seeing as he was in the military (marines and then national guard) for twenty years and took several schools and qualifications. He is also well versed in teaching at he was an instructor before. Blend that all together with his style, you get a great TH-cam channel.
Im halfway through this video and this guy knows how to truly put a side-by-side measurement on film. I should have subscribed sooner - will be my go-to researcher for ammo and weapons
My wife was watching this over my shoulder as I watched in my office. She said after.... "Hey... YOU'RE packing more.... not drastically more... but DEFINITELY more" LOL. And that's what I call love =] Great video and data as always... more than thorough. I think you hit the nail on the head by explaining that ammunition selection seems to be the most significant choice.... rather than caliber. I personally carry a 9mm. It's a micro compact with 13 +1 capacity which is stellar. Tiny, comfortable to carry and very concealable... even in shorts and a t shirt. I shot many different brands of ammo till I found the one that produces plenty of damage and I'm able to shoot very accurately. It checks all the boxes for me and I'd trust my life with it.
Back in 2014 I was buying my first handgun - the S&W Shield. I called Academy and asked if they had one in 9mm - they only had one in .40. I was hesitant but bought it anyway. I'm glad I did. I know many rag on the .40 saying "what is the point? Etc" It's been good for me and so has the S&W Shield platform! Of course I also have a different model S&W 9mm pistol as well as a 9mm PCC. Never bought a .45 as I never saw a need for it - same with 10mm. I have a .357 revolver and a Glock 357 Sig - so no need for a 10mm or 45 , etc. I feel the .40 is close enough to a 45 and the 357 is close enough to a 10mm.
Another great video Paul. The .40 caliber has great appeal and performance, I still enjoy the .45 acp myself. Depending on need or carry, my go to calibers are .45 acp, 9x19, 10mm. In my opinion those three cover all needs. .45 acp & 9mm - personal defense .45 acp - Home defense ( perfect home defense) .45 (hardcast) & 10mm - wooded country and bear Thanks again for your time and informative videos. 👍
Al Capone used to carry a 380. So did many gangsters of that era. Small, concealable, little recoil (fast follow ups) and in the hands of someone halfway proficient, quite accurate. I have seen a small framed female shoot a Sig 365 in 380 at 15 yards with deadly accuracy. All her shots were in the area just below the Adam's Apple in a circle of 3". That was all the more impressive since she shot rapid fire. She told me that the pistol was very pleasant to shoot for her; even the small micro nines kicked too much for her. But to each his/her own.
Paul your videos are great very educational when it comes to firearms not only that you have a good heart and the love for ppl to educate them all that together makes you awesome person keep the videos coming..
I can hear the "but, but, but!!...." of the 45 fans already. And as the owner of a G22, after shooting a 1911-single column mag gun, I can use your line, Paul, that "this 1911 fits my hand better than this G22."
Wow, Paul. Excellent teacher, and excellent shooter. You really are the best gun channel out there. Always have great information on things we all want to know. Thank you, sir.
Paul.... I just watched this video, and I am very impressed with your presentation. Awesome job in demonstrating the performance based on the ammo selected., which as you demonstrated was more important, then just the caliber.
Is this guy a great teacher or what? You be the judge!
I was thinking the same thing. On one of his previous videos, I was actually thinking he just might have one up on Hickok 45. No offense to Hickok
Scott Duross I've always thought Paul was the better educator on practical matters, while Hickok is a better educator on historical matters.
I come away from Paul's videos feeling better informed with solid facts as opposed to hearsay and bias. Anyone can spout a little history lesson on their channel after a little reading and web surfing, go out hit some balloons and bottles, chuckle and act like their wise. Paul obviously comes from serious life experiences and has the credentials to back up what he says; because he is a professional and that should be apparent in the way he speaks, shoots and does a methodical break down and analysis. I am willing to bet that a lot of FBI folks are tuned into his channel, just wouldn't surprise me.
Taurus should steal that line to promote their Judge revolvers. I'd like a T-shirt that says "You be the judge"
I ALWAYS loved that type of teaching. A teacher that doesn't give you the answer but shows you results and lets you judge.
Checker at store: "That man goes through more soda than anyone I've ever seen. I wonder how he stays so skinny..."
Clothing Store: This man sure loves his fleece!
diet soda?
Atleast he isn't always smoking pot like another youtube gun channel I won't name. How does that guy even hit a target after smoking so much pot.
МЭF15ТФFДL VЄЯↁЦИЅНДЄL are you being sarcastic? If not, there is another great TH-cam show where a guy shoots pots, hence the smoking pot comment. If you know, you know.
@МЭF15ТØFДL V3ЯↁЦИЅНДЄL oh, is that why he's not around anymore?
He was a good shot, but kinda annoying.
Paul once picked up 12 ribs, 6 t-shirts, 24 soda jugs, 6 watermelons, and 6 pig ears. When the clerk asked him what he was gonna do with all of those bizarre items, he simply said:
"You be the judge.".
LOL... Good one.. But, think about the clerk whois seeing this 'order' on the weekly..
Haha Underrated.
🤣🤣🤣💯👍🏿
Wrong, the clerk is a fan and already knows.
"... I'm gonna do some number crunching."
The difference between these two calibers for me is this:
Right now, there is a 2 box limit on 45acp (and 380acp and 9mm) at my store, and that's if there is even any for sale which is often not the case.
At the same store there is a pallet with over 20,000 rounds of .40 s&w sitting on it.
So no matter what the ballistics are of any caliber, I'll take the one I can shoot today.
This is something we are all learning. I bought 9mm weapons years ago because they are so common and I thought finding ammo would be easy. In a crisis, I've found that common ammo is not at all commonly available. Less popular caliber ammo is more available. Availability is key.
@snoopy dubnation If you are worried about the very real possibility that a civil conflict occurs soon, and you can either get armed with 17 HMR or be unarmed, then yes. But also buy ammo for your other guns any chance you get.
My buddy and I bought firearms this year he bought a 9mm and a AR. Arm and a leg for ammo. I got the judge which fires .45lc or 410 and a .40; ammo everywhere for less then either of his firearms.
That is a pretty small pallet really, a bit more than 700 lbs. I would say that is a reasonable plan, though I enjoy shooting 40 anyway. Enjoy!
what state are you talking about ?
Amateur shooter here. I've watched 100's of videos from probably as many shooters. Just started watching Harrell's videos. I have learned more from EACH one of his than all the others combined. He is a true teacher and his knowledge is unparalleled. Outstanding!
I wouldn't consider myself amateur. But he is definitely my favorite gun youtuber. He does great demonstrations
Amen ,amen 😁
Now go shooting and stop watching others shoot!
He’s not here for reviews, or just showing off guns, he’s here to teach
He's the Chuck Norris of utube gun channels!
Just found this channel. Not disappointed.
It's NEVER too late to find this channel.
You both have cool channels. Yeah you gotta love some good ole paul harrell content.
Welcome
Well I am. For not finding it sooner.
One of the best you tubers on guns
My 3 year old daughter watches Paul's videos with me. She calls him "Paul Harrell, the Gentleman".
Sounds like a great start!
That's amazing
Haha very cute
Goals
A buddy was buying a pistol at a local shop a while back and he told me the story. A guy mentioned that he wanted a self defense pistol but it had to be accurate to 60 yards. And some other guy spoke up and said, "if you think 60 yards counts as self defense, what you'll need is a really good lawyer.". That popped up in my brain when you mentioned 60 yard bulket drop.
Coming back to read this after the Greenwood Mall shooting with Elisjsha Dicken's response to that
Lmao
I work for police (IT) they often have engagements farther than that. If you can't hit a target that far you need to train more at least to hit 50 yards.
You could be locked up for defending your own home from within.. if you let em
"I'll let you be the judge"
Not something you'll hear from many gun channels.
paul's butcher is his biggest fan
i Hope you BBQ after taping!
and the guy who sells bags of oranges on the corner.
Seth B lol
His Shasta salesman too
About the bar-BQ, lots of lead in that food.
;-)
Paul is amazing. He presents you with data and always says "you be the judge."
He does not press his opinion on you.
He does many types of tests for each gun, and each round.
I agree. What is more, he never calls someone stupid for anything, even when he demonstrates the flaws in someone else's thinking. Paul is a true professional!
If the objective of a .40 S&W was to get .45ACP like performance out of a 9mm framed pistol, as opposed to outperform a .45 ACP, I'd say the round delivered in spades.
Not at all. .40 was supposed to perform better than 9mm in the 80's and not be as punishing as the 10mm. The .40 did it's job.
The objective was to be the middle round between a 9 mm and a 10 mm. And it performed perfectly. Unless it is just too much Pistol for you and I'm not mocking you I'm just saying unless it is. The 40 Cal is the best Pistol hands-down
@@pendragonshallexactly. Perfectly said.
Did we just get through a Paul Harrell video with NO rain?!
In Oregon, August is the dry season :)
kmoecub You mean the fire season? GP, living it every day.
Ya. This is a really bad fire year. It hadn't gotten so bad when I commented earlier.
That's what I said! It's either Raining or Snowing! This Man needs a vacation! LOL!
No snow either! WOW.
60 yards with a pistol, that's impressive! You be the judge...
Lol I been shooting at a 50 yard target ...(.45,44 shotguns variation s.) Measurements sayyy closer to a hundred...
It is impressive....hickok45 does it at 80yrds
You can do it too! Most people just don't take the time to train (or have the facilities) for accuracy at a distance.
Here's how my range session looks like when working on accuracy.
1. Loosen up, do some dry fire practice and draw/present from holster.
2. Shoot a patch. 1" patch plastered on a IPSC target, from 10 feet, shoot it completely off the target. Take all the time and rounds you need.
3. Move out to a distance from which you can still see the bullet holes. Put up a bright, contrasting, post-it sticky at the center of your IPSC target. Draw from holster and put one bullet thru the post-it. Repeat and increase speed gradually (push yourself to failure), replace post-it as needed.
4. Do the same drill with a 6-8" steel plate for instant feedback. Start at 10 yards and work your way out in 5 yard increments. 5 hits on the steel = move back. Balance speed and accuracy. Quality in every shot.
5. Fun drill of the day to finish off the ammo.
Not too ammo intensive but very effective. Soon you'll be hitting that 8" plate at 50 yards and the IPSC target at 100.
Best of luck!
Years ago I was ok at 50 yards at a man size target with a 6" barrel Model 27. Typically one flyer, two either near misses or hits in non-vital areas, and three solid hits.
With an autoloader, I'd be lucky to keep half the shots on the paper.
Then I watch Paul with great groups at 50 to 100 yards. And Jerry Milchliuk (spelling?) Hit a ballon at 1,000 yards on his second shot with a stinking 9mm.
They make me feel so bad about myself being a pathetic little excuse for a shooter. Then I perk up because it means I just need to practice more!
I used to compete in siluette shooting for magnum handguns and shot 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters. It is all about zero when you get to those distances.
Based on this excellent fact based video, I can’t justify from a pricing point, buying a .45. I am satisfied with my .40 S&W.
I bought the .45
Got both, love em both. If I was forced to choose though I'd have to go with my .45 1911. It's a little more high matinance but I can shoot it better and I feel like it will last longer than my .40 m&p2.0. I love my smith and it's very accurate and reliable but of the 2 the 1911 wins because of the materials, great trigger and my ability to shoot it with great accuracy.
Use what u shoot well..
Pricing point ? They’re about the same tbh. I can find 45s cheaper a lot of times actually
The price issue is the ammo, 45 acp ammo cost more than 40 sw and less available than the 40 sw, gun price is about the same if you are not trying to get a 1911. But why would you get 45 acp and not have it in 1911? 45 acp is a preference caliber for self defense. In terms of capacity, price, practicality, and EDC , 9 mm and 40 sw are much better than 45 acp. 45 acp 1911 is for gun enthusiasts. I have a 45 acp 1911 just to have it, I switch between glock 26 and 27 for EDC. At most I'll use the 1911 at the range for fun and as a backup gun for home defense. But I train extensively for self defense with 9 mm and 40 sw.
As always very thorough. I was trained in the early 1970's, the old FBI style, revolvers out to 60 yards. In real life my longest gunfight was 12 feet, 3 under 10 ft and 2 at about 4 ft. Believe it or not I was trained to use a 1911 out to 100 yards. I've used only used 2 calibers in those gunfights a 357 S&W model 27 and a 1911. As good as both those calibers are, I cursed my stupidity for not having my 870 12 ga. Fortunately for me the good Lord and luck kept me safe.
Unfortunate for the other guy that the lord didnt like him as much.
Ok "Dirty Harry".
@@douganderson7002 From the 70's till the late 90's when we locked up enough people, the crime rate was crazy high and shootouts/gunfights were not uncommon for police. Casualties were high also till body armor became commonplace . Its absolutely possible that the poster had that many incidents over a career. If it was say 20 years , that is one every 3 years which isn't that many for the era.
I'm thankful not to be in that line of work
Did you notice any diference in effectiveness using the 357 mag vs 45 acp?
Both calibers with quality hollow point ammo that's proven to expand well, are sledgehammers on human targets.....can't go wrong with either.
I carry a PPQ loaded with Fed HST 165 GRAIN
.40 and it is pretty devastating to anything I've shot with it. I certainly wouldn't want to get hit by it.
In general both rounds are not the same. Didn’t even know they made a .45 that light. If both rounds do happen to be similar then round count is the next determining factor (some would say it should be the preliminary factor) and with that being said, .40 always wins.
@@markdavidson1049 Bias always wins. Setting up a comparison without bias, requires people with preferences to make their own determinations.
Hi, i am wondering if a hollow point round will be inferior in penetration than its fmj counterpart?
@@user-sv6jg1vw7o Watch this video. Maybe a new solid-copper projectile from Lehigh Defense would interest you, more than the caliber wars. th-cam.com/video/ClJcJ8LQFbQ/w-d-xo.html
Excellent presentation as always! I am always down with the no nonsense, just present the facts style. Paul Harrell Rocks.
have to fill the blocks with cement
You have to wonder what the cashier at his local grocer thinks of him though, when every time he comes in he buys thirty two litter crappy sodas, watermelons, oranges, and pork ribs.
40 always has great penatration and exspantion every single time .
You are a absolute gem to the documentary presentation enjoying gun nuts. I really appreciate your dedication, it's like watching PBS, when PBS was PBS.
When Maggie did yoga & Julia added butter & wine
Pbs has become probable Bullshit story..I used to love it. when even PBS shit all over orange man,I shut my TV off for good fk it..
I miss PBS
He's certainly the Bob Ross of the gun world.
Have carried both as duty weapons. Trained 100s of officers on both. Had better results with marginal shooters with the 45 vs the 40. I preferred the 45 over time only because the 40 caused more parts failures for our special ops shooters and officers who took advantage of shooting a lot at ur range. Good video Paul.
Hey folks, lets promote this channel in the comment section of other gun channels...just to give other gun enthusiasts a chance to learn ..rather than just getting questionable entertainment
Well said, it's obvious many gun channels on YT are just "tacticool entertainment" consisting of an overly long "show and tell" with ZERO real world ballistic testing unlike Paul's videos.
+kriz zzz I don't know, if people are still watching some of those other gun channels, many of them, then I'm not so sure they have the right stuff between their ears to be watching this one.
kriz zzz I think a lot of why is that his videos are long and technical. A lot people just want easy entertainment.
Great Idea for a damn good channel.
Ok
I love how logical, calm and intelligent you are, in any subject you choose to discuss. It shows your due diligence on the matter, and your dedication to truly educating people. Specially in a field, which involves potential lives at risk. Thank you, and keep up your fantastic work.
"logical, calm, and intelligent"? He has got Henry Kissinger eyes. The cold, dead eyes of a... never mind.
+georgjohnsmith: You could answer your own question to your own satisfaction by WATCHING some Paul Harrell videos. But you just sound like an attention-seeking troll, so please trundle off & get lost. Thanks.
+Michael Shapiro. Dear Michael, exactly how f***** up your "life" is? How desperate you must get to defend a youtuber from an obvious joke? Do you also smash the heads of children on the street when you hear them laugh?
One advantage of the. 40 is that it can fit onto a 9mm frame and still offer good capacity.
In my opinion.
I love my m&p 40 2.0 compact. 13 rounds of 40 S&W
It also feeds in 9mm mags.
He is pretty amazing. I can't remember my phone number and he's running numbers and stats faster than a auctioneer with a stomach virus.
That's a funny comparison. I like it🤣🤣🤣
Paul: This .45 has a huge grip that doesn't fit my hand well, and it has a lower ammo capacity.
*Commences to shoot the 45 faster and more accurately than the other handgun.
A similar thing happened in his Walther PPK/S vs. Bersa Thunder 380 video; He talked about how much more experience (a decade plus if I am recalling correctly) with the PPK/S he had, and that the Bersa had a horrendous trigger. He then proceeded to shoot a tighter grouping in his accuracy test with the Bersa.
There are definitely a few head scratchers every now and then with Paul's vids; my favorites are his ammo tests where he tests an ammo that supposedly is very effective according to ballistic gel tests (like on lucky gunner labs), but end up being sub-par on the meat target.
I think the bone in the meat target is the key. Ballistic gel only simulates flesh
@@ExceptionalPleb My thought exactly. Bones are hard targets that will crack and break, absorbing a lot of energy from a passing bullet, kinda like a ceramic plate (though obviously nowhere near the same efficacy). If you ever have to shoot a real target, you need to factor bone into the equation somehow.
@@keithgraham9547 It must come down to weight and balance. It may feel uncomfortable in terms of grip but perhaps the heavy barrel and magazine well give a solid return to original position while the .40 floats more?
@@keithgraham9547 well, Lucky Gunner is replicating the FBI's testing methods.
Paul is going at it from a medical perspective, which frankly I put more stock in than a block of Jell-O.
So far, that I know of, there have only a small handful of, as Paul calls them, "hyper ammo" that have performed equally well in both tests; the one that comes to mind is the 40 S&W Winchester Ranger T-Series.
In my opinion, the Lehigh/Underwood .380 Extreme Defender gives the .380 a much needed boost to it's viability...and I say this going off of both gel tests I've seen, and Paul's own meat target tests.
But aside from concealed carry, I'd rather go with .40 or .45 ACP. Yes, I know of the much repeated line from the FBI report stating modern 9mm is equal to a .45...which smells like horseshit.
There's got to be something omitted (like bean counting, and lesser training), because from everything I have researched, which admittedly involved a lot of staring at Lucky Gunner tables, the best 9mm hollow point out there, that penetrates to about 14 inches or greater in gel, expands to about .65 of an inch or the width of a dime.
The best .45 ACP, same penetration depths, expands to 1 inch, or about the size of a quarter.
The best .40 does .85 of an inch, about a nickel.
Now I may not have passed discreet mathematics in college, nor trained at THE academy, but I damn sure can tell ya a quarter is bigger than a dime, all things being equal...sorry, went off on a huge tangent there...
A very good presenter based on fact, not emotion. What I learned is that I don't need a 40 in addition to the 45 I had. I'd feel the same if the reverse were true.
Need's got nuthin to do with it. LOL!
@@poppys3728 Amen.
Get the .45 so you can have a big ball going downrange. Keep the .40 so you can convert to ..357 Sig
A great round in 9 mm is just as effective. There’s less than three or four percentage points difference from the best nine to Either 40 Cal or 45 Cal, if you don’t get the best round possible for the 10 mm it’s worse than the other three
Exactly right. I could only see minimal benefit between the two. If you're below average stature (body weight) go with the .40 and enjoy two extra shots and 5-10 yards of accuracy. If you're larger stature, go .45 and enjoy the benefits of .40 over .38 (9mm) with even greater close in destruction.
.45 doesn't feel awkward to me despite average or smaller stature. The weight is comforting and returns the sight ti true faster despite the added recoil. It's more about how you play the fiddle than who made the damned thing.
Imagine all the ants that follow Paul around eating 🍊 soda and old shredded meat
Self defense at 60 yds takes alot more of explaining...lol!! Thank You really good video 👍👍 👍!!
A Friday isn't complete without a Paul Harrell video.
Yes thank you Paul! If you are a fan of Paul's work click on the 👍and let him know guys!
“Well, if the goal was to get me wet, I’d say the .45 was a lot better.”
I love random out of context quotes
Is that what she said?
brett ramsey I believe so.
@@TechAndMotorcycles she said 4.5 lol
@@TechAndMotorcycles No, that is not what he said. They are remarkably similar in all aspects. What he said was to choose what is most comfortable for you and best fits your budget. That he would not feel "under-gunned" with either. Other than the grip size, the AMMO you choose will largely dictate which one performs better.
@@chucknorton5064 45 had a little more internal implosion.
This is by far the most exhaustive comparison of the 40 vs 45 cartridges done by anyone. Great job and thank you for all of the effort it takes to make a presentation like this!
The .40 S&W was designed to put the power of a .45 ACP in a 9mm package, so since they are both very close it shows the .40 has fulfilled its concept. Thanks Paul.
Or use the full grown 10mm
Uhhh... No it wasn't. You can't just make shit up because you like to hear yourself.
No lol, Paul clarifies that ammo selection plays a factor on power and velocity. You can get stout ammo in both calibers and both will do just fine in defensive situations.
@@johnathanross6519 I've got both... I like both.
The history I've read does not agree with the original post. Best as I remember, after the FBI Miami Dade disaster, LE wanted an autoloader for capacity and hitting power.
In the Miami fight, I think several FBI agents had 357 Magnums, but 38 Special +P ammo. One or two had a 9mm, one a shotgun. Paul has a video on it
FBI goes to 9mm. Underpowered. They try 10mm. Too powerful, lot of agents do poorly with it, and cost of ammo is too high.
Went to 40 S&W. Good results, but kind of a "tweener." LE teams up with SIG Sauer, gets an excellent 357 SIG round (which should be called 9mm Magnum). Lib Congressman threatens to outlaw 357 SIG, the ammo gets watered down. Costs a lot for ammo and wear on guns.
Ammo and gun industries say "we have the magic 9mm round with new, improved technology! Now available in pink!" Everybody buys in to The One Round To Rule Them All, even though all real statistics I find do not bear out the claims.
So 9mm is a compromise round that is relatively cheap, and easier to shoot for mediocre shooters, which most people are.
40 S&W is kind of that confused identity round. Colin Noir has a comedy video on it, even. A perfectly good round that is losing market share because of marketing about 9mm being all that and the proverbial bag of chips.
Videos like this just reaffirms why this is my favorite youtube channel!
The Kentucky Patriot one of my favorites too. I love how Paul methodically goes through his demonstrations.
Same here & HICKOK 45 Also my 2 Favorites Period
Paul is the best.
The best gun related channel on YT. Thanks for your service.
I agree! I have a gun video up on my channel.... I pretty much stopped the gun aspect after checking out this amazing channel lol
Concur wholeheartedly. Only discovered this channel a couple days ago. Extremely informative, well-spoken, great demonstrations and, most of all, eschews all the tacticool crap prevalent on TH-cam.
worddunlap yeah he a cool old timer gunslinger good no bs channel
the humor is also a plus.. no narcissistic bs, always with a grain of humor:)
The Stoned Videogame Nerd
That actually did make me snort... 🤣
Need to spread the word on this channel. I've actually **learned** more in the dozen or so so videos I've watched than I have in years. Actually reminds me of when I first started learning to shoot as an adolescent, only obviously more advanced.
No BS, no "this cartridge sucks and you're a loser for using it," no tacticool machismo 💩 and absolutely no attitude... packed with perfect humor.
Great vid! Kinda just proves wat I've always said when comparing the two.With modern ammo they are almost identical. But with the .40 you can get .45 performance in a smaller , lighter weapon and have added ammo capacity. I'll always be a .45 guy, but for concealed carry, the .40 just makes more sense mathematically and comfortably. That is just my opinion though. I still carry a 45 sometimes in the winter when clothing and holster choices are more conducive to a larger CCW.
Check out the Glock 30S.
This is part of why I like .40. Very close in performance to .45, but cheaper and generally higher capacity. You just have to be very careful about choosing the right platform.
That’s what I was thinking 🤔
Glock ❤22 23 & 27 lol
Bottom line of test - don't get shot by Paul Harrell. You'll have a very bad day.
Lionquest Fitness ...bottom line of life - don't get shot by anyone. You'll have a bad day no matter what.
Evilstorm11 Unless his daughter took advantage of her boyfriend which would give Paul a heart attack.
as i understand it, someone has been shot by paul harrell and yeah they had a bad day.
Yes, he had to kill someone who was trying to kill his wife. Search the news for the story.
Love your channel too
After I watch 'em, I often find I've watched 'em again, just a year or 2 later. & worth it! 👍
Paul is the best. I love how he states the 21 does not fit his hand as well but then proceeds to shoot the 45 more accurately both fast and slow and then knocks down the metal more quickly with the 45.
I carry .40. Really like it. Good stopping power without excessive recoil. Accurate 13+1 rounds. S&W M&P m2.0. Good gun
Another plus for me is that,at least round my way,I consistently find more ammo for the .40 than all of my other pistols with different calibers.In these times, it’s a big plus
Got the same one one. Love it.
@@TheLokoViejo for sure
I've got the same gun. Most of the time its loaded with Speer gold dot 180gr. Great round
The 2.0 only carries 13? My standard first Gen M&P holds 15...
I have been a long time pistol shooter (78 yo) and one thing I can say is, you are a heck of a pistol shot.
Good job Paul.
Paul is awesome. Although I have shot for nerly 50 years, I always learn something from his videos, and especially appreciate the fact that he conveys knowledge without preconceived notions or unnecessary drama.
Chelonia Mydas I like that he gets to the point
Or idiotic incessant fake laughing...
Great video Paul. This was interesting to me because of my 36 years as a LEO I carried the G21 for about 7 years and then the G22 for about the next 7 years until I retired. If I was given a choice I would have continued to carry the 21 but due to varying hand sizes in the department it was decided we would all be issued the 22. Even though I preferred the 21, as you stated at your conclusion, I didn't feel under gunned with either weapon. It was definitely more reassuring carrying autos over revolvers due to number of rounds in the gun and faster reloading.
Exceptional teaching skills, speaks in laymen’s terms!!! Great job Paul!!!
Really love that Paul merely gives you the facts and when it's all over tells you YOU BE THE JUDGE
What I take away from this is concrete block houses provide poor cover.
So I take it you prefer wood panels to hide behind ? If you're not gonna use Kevlar insulation I'll take the concrete wall myself.
Cementing them together and adding the weight of the entire structure gives them a lot more strength.
I wouldn't build a bunker out of them, but its definitely okay for a house.
It's not the material, it's the gaping hole in the middle of the brick. Solid brick would do a much better job.
Buildings build with blocks like that typically have the holes filled in with concrete, significantly increasing their strength and durability, and plenty of "bunkers" have been built with concrete blocks, though if you can afford it, steel would be better for a "bunker".
Clearly the best choice of material for a barrier wall would be several layers of fleece.
Man, that was one of the best comparison videos I've ever seen. You have a gift!
Excellent work Paul! I don’t always say so but I really appreciate your no-bullshit approach; the testing you do is definitely some of the best around IMO.
"and I'll shoot from 60 yards".
Dude you are my hero. I don't know anybody able to casually say and shoot that far away right past their camera like it's nothing. Haha. Your channel is my go-to for thorough information.
I been mistake shooting at 85_ 100 yards for 20 years ....over water
@@rustybird4955 🍪 for you
great overview
How do you comment on like every video lol
@@cantsneedgaming4591 the man does his research!
Gunsngear the only gun youtuber with amazing taste in music and guns
I just watched this on my big screen, but had to comment so I went to my laptop. I have learned more from you Paul, than all the other experts that I have been exposed to, and truly you are not only knowledgeable, but one hell of a shot. Thank you for your educational videos.
Paul Harrell is by far the best most informative person I’ve ever seen on TH-cam. Great video.
Saving people money and time
Thank you for the most realistic tests and explanations.
I have noticed the comments are positive above average on Paul's channel compared to others I see.
That's pretty good consistent content quality.. I can not emagen the work that goes in to these videos. There should be TH-cam creators taking notes.
Paul is hard to argue with, so the people who want to troll go to troll the less civilised gun TH-camrs...
Good content breeds good communities
replying to keep this at the top.!!
search.... Paul Harrell Rebuttal
it is an hour of don't F with me.!!!
Remember, something reloaders have know forever, every gun is an individual with individual preferences. This is a fact, so even if he tests the same model you have that ammo might not be the best fit for your individual gun, ( whether it’s barrel is rifled or not and whether you loosely call it a weapon or not). Still there’s a LOT of value in his presentations.
seriously ... why does this man not have orders of magnitude more subscribers?
Spoiled kids. They typically want a 'cool'-looking gym rat covered with tats or a hot chick to present, seizure-inducing editing and music, and tacticool toys useless in real life. Now since hickok45 did manage 2.7M subs I really think that Paul deserves a lot more than he gets. His subs seem to be loyal, quality ones, though, and growing slowly but steadily... which will happen when you are about substance over style.
My Name Is Legion Well said. I always read Paul's comments section because of the high level of education and substance. Many familiar names.
Side note, I recently bought the Gen4 G22 and the grip barely fits my smaller than average hands; owning a subcompact G27 for twenty years developed the right muscle memory for, what really is, oversized grips for my hands. I love the new gun but can't imagine trying to hang on to that G21 double stack. Watching Paul shoot both guns was a thing of beauty, and he makes the Glock transition look like there isn't one. I don't know many guys who can shoot the Glock as well as Paul unless they exclusively train with the Glock. I don't know if the general public realizes the significance of this and what it says about Paul's ability to shoot pretty much... anything.
+Brad Erickson Yeah, the 10 shot groups for speed, with unfamiliar major caliber, from 15 yd ... yikes! Paul's training, experience, and skill really shows.
seth tenrec RIGHT!? I know his "posse" only recently procured that 22 and the 21 even more recently. I don't care how many takes I make, I'm never duplicating those speed groups with a platform I've been shooting all of my adult life. I think what Paul does with all firearms is as difficult as trying to hit a 100mph fast ball. Only a handful of people in the world can do either.
for me he is the channel you for get the name of when you talk about gun channels I watch which is sad because he is probably my favorite gun channel
Paul is definitely what you call an expert. Love his videos. Thanks Paul!! Always great content and demonstrations. Very helpful in every way.
I don’t think I’m the only person reviewing Mr. Harrell’s older work. Has anyone noticed, either his editing is absolutely seamless, or he nails his presentation in one go, and also without notes?
Simply amazing.
I find jump cuts to be tedious. Yes, I really can talk for that long. Thank you for noticing.
This video needed to exist. People like to say the .45 ACP is dead and obsolete, but based on the following demonstration, .40 and .45 are neck in neck. It was like watching the .22 LR vs .25 ACP Pocket Pistol video you made a few years back; the differences between the two are minimal at best and weight and fair comparisons shine a clearer reality of the calibers. If I can afford to own it, shoot it, and it fills my intended roles, it works. Period.
Thanks for landing another blow to the Caliber debate Paul 👍🏼.
Wasabi Kicks Yankee Marshall calls it 45 aarp and says it's old technology. Then again that's coming from the guy who says the Chiapas rhino is the best concealed carry gun.
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Chiappa Rhino's are aesthetically unique in a sci-fi kind of way. But I don't believe they are worth the price. It's an attempt at reinventing the wheel when the wheel is already functional, of course there are always different materials you could use to make the wheel that make it fresh or bring it into the modern age, but it will still function just as well. That aside, no one can really sit there and tell me the .45 ACP is not effective, Nor can they say the same for the 9mm. I use to regularly carry a .25 ACP and it was effective to me based on its highly compact size and light recoil (ammo prices suck to say the least) but it wasn't a range rat. With proper handling, training, and fair knowledge of human anatomy ANY caliber can be made effective. Especially if we observe Paul's studies and factor in ammo selection.
Some youtubers are always looking for a way to get more views, not to provide the best and most trustworthy content.
TYM is relatively gun smart, but like a guy who's been hanging out on forums for years (which he has - I remember seeing him on those like 12-14 years ago now), not like a guy with a lot of training or experience. He is a 'hobbyist', i.e. someone who has the money to buy a lot of guns and enjoys looking at them and talking about them... more than shooting them. When was the last (or first) time you saw him shoot? His creds are paper thin and his near-use of force (brandishing at an intersection) story is pathetic.
Like a train wreck I can't help watching some of his videos when bored and at least he has the balls to voice some controversial opinions, but it's the contrarian and troll in him more than the thinking man. His video on the .45 ACP is a joke made purely for the controversy, just like Yeager (an old TYM man crush) and his "1911s suck" or "the .40 sucks" ones.
My Name Is Legion I absolutely agree. When it comes to firearms I like to think I keep an open mind, primarily due to budget constraints and also because a lot of firearm selection is trial and error. In the beginning I had a tendency to underrate firearms I already owned and pick ones that didn't suit my needs. From .40 to .380 to .25 to 9mm to .25 again the issue didn't become the caliber in my case but what worked for my circumstances and budget. The .25 ACP works for me based on concealability and recoil, but I hate the price of ammo and I already have given my reliance to a Brand or model that is not particularly well made, but works as needed (and just based on my experience alone Jimenez Arms and Ravens are stellar and more reliable than Rohm). I learned that through trial and error. I'm just fortunate that it didn't happen when it actually counted and my circumstances didn't have me smack in the middle of a bad neighborhood again. Sometimes all we have is what we know to educate others and help them along. I will never discourage someone from a .25 if
It works for them, I will give them my most humble recommendation because of my strange romance for the little Caliber, but the same goes for any gun; get what suits the user, practice and train regularly, and apply knowledge to any and all scenarios. I always recommend Paul because his videos pertain to the realism not the Bearded, Tatted fantasy of Duke Nukem wanna be's: Everyone wants to kick ass and chew gum, but few want to use common sense and logic.
The Rhino is certainly interesting. I've never shot one, but I want to. I want to feel the difference in felt recoil from a 6 o'clock firing position. It's definitely not worth the price, but it'd be nice if that kind of innovation was more prevalent and more accessible to us common folk.
The best comparison I've seen of these two.
Well done.
I'm late to the show and just discovered this channel a couple weeks ago. I have missed out. Great channel, great information, and I have been learning 👍 So thank you.
As usual, your show provides the most information in the most scientific yet fun manner in a very cool, professional way. Outstanding, sir!
Great video as always! Rumor has it the IWBA and FBI are switching from ballistic gel to "the meat target".......:)
And don't forget the high tech fleece
every able mind should be aware using barbeque meat for target practice is against all universal goodwill and should be punished with a vegan diet for life.
Dammit Paul ! If I shot as well as you do, I'd probably be comfortable with a 25 caliber pistol ! Thanks ever so much for efforts. Please keep up the great work for us .
Those rapid-fire groups at 15 yards WERE impressive.
Thanks.
You know his personal carry is a mini .25 acp, right?
I'm pretty sure he does carry a .25 seen it in the windshield vid.
I wish there were more videos like this on the internet! This was the best comparison video I've seen!
Thanks for the in depth analysis! I love your videos, and with the self lock-down that the world is suffering through now, your videos are a wonderful diversion from the horror that is killing of a lot of folks around the globe.
Paul, you deserve way more subscribers. Your gun channel is the most informative that I have found.
I love your videos! They are very informative. Ever since I was in the Corps in the mid 60’s and in Vietnam I’ve always felt comfortable with the 1911. I always qualified expert with one and I have large hands so I like larger guns. I did however purchase a Beretta 92 in .40 caliber. I also loved it because of its size. I did however give it to my son when he went into the police academy. He still has it 20 years later.
Beretta 96?
Lol... Cool story. That's funny.
Thanks; great video! I am very comfortable with my 1911. It is the same gun that I had in the Army; it served me well during war and it serves me well, after.
I love this guy! Always tells it down the line, and is just a professional! Big fan for years
You should just have the Shasta guy deliver to your range.
Bottom line, to each their own for caliber (whether it be 9mm, 38spl/357mag, 40s&w/357sig, or 45acp), buy some quality ammunition, and train. Doesn't matter it you have a 22LR or a 500S&W Magnum if you can't hit the intended target's vitals.
@michael p not necessarily.
Amen brother.
Seriously underrated comment.
Ya but screw 380 acp
@@professored7169 there is nothing wrong with .380ACP
I myself have noticed that when I shoot both my 40 and 45 the recoils are slightly different. The Glock 23 has more snap to the recoil while the 30 feels more like a push back against the hand.
Hey Paul great work. I check with you when I have questions. It’s always objective and informative.
i really like how well thought out and executed your videos are!! Keep up the fantastic work!!
I know I’m late on this but the fact that you stayed focus even while getting sprayed is amazing.
thanks so much Paul, first time handgun buyer and this video (along with other sources) helped me to decide what caliber to go with. Ultimately I went with an M&P 40. Thanks for your excellent work.
Thank you Mr. Harrell, your videos are very informative. What I take away from this is, these two calibers are very similar, with the .45 ACP being a bit more robust. I have both calibers in my collection and feel confident carrying either one.
I carry a Colt 1911, 8 round magazine . Yes old school ,I have had the weapon since I was in the army 30years ago. I carry two spare mags . If I need something more powerful with more rounds I will go get a rifle. K.I.S.S . Principal. Great video thanks.
If you need more than 16 rounds you must have gone some place you shouldn't have.
I love to carry my Springfield Range officer under my jacket in a WW2 tanker style holster during the winter months. I've heard all the excuses like ammo capacity with the 1911 but the fact is I don't shoot anything else as well as that gun and if 8 rounds of 45 acp isn't enough you'd probably be screwed anyway.
@@wagstag89 that's for sure 👍. The guys that need 17+ rounds really don't know how to shoot they just fire Thier gun towards the object to be stopped knowing they have that many rounds to fire off and sadly to say they will still probably miss Thier target. I have a S&W 40 with two 14 round magazines and doubt it very seriously if I have to use it fire more than 4-5 rounds unless there are a bunch of bad guys then I will need those other rounds, but I never think of just firing until I run out that's just stupid. Shit placement is key and you might have to fire two rounds of JHP'S .
I carry a colt gold cup trophy. I prefer it and it’s trigger over everything else.
@@brianb900 great be comfortable with what you carry, I love my 40 S&W SDVE , No recoil to me and I'm very comfortable with everything about it, wouldn't trade it for anything else.
Hey Paul. Just wanna say I love your videos. They are no bullshit. You make things pretty blunt & seem really non biased, which I greatly respect. God bless you. Keep up the good work!
Maybe blunt, but not angry. I appreciate that!
16:07 Too funny, seeing the first set destroyed , then the second set Obliterated,
literally lmao at the bottles , each shot got sequentially wilder results.
This is entertaining and Paul explains things so that you aren't left with a dozen
questions at the end, thorough and to the point, very informative.
Thanks for all of your hard work . Your the best!!!
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Great vid. Paul u are a very well spoken and knowledgeable person and one of the few i respect when it comes to firearms and ammo knowledge. Great job and thanks for taking the time out of your schedule to make these videos.
I agree with Paul. It comes down to preference and purpose. Great unbiased presentation.
I'm going to be the judge and say that even though the .45 doesn't fit your hand as well and may be uncomfortable to shoot, you shot it better than the .40.
What an excellent teacher there are not REASONABLE questions left when your videos end.
In my personal opinion. The 40 vs 45 is like the 9mm vs 38spl. They are similar in a lot of ways but also different enough that you'll want to do shooting with each caliber to see what you like.
Personally I carry a 40s&w almost all days of the week besides Sunday when I got to church, I carry a snub nose 38spl +p to hide it better in my clothes
ehhh, 9mm is SUBSTANTIALLY more powerful in standard velocity than even +p .38 spl. .38 is just kind of a weak round.
I always look forward to your videos and thank you for your service!
Paul is a professor of firearms. Love watching his informative reviews.
And experienced too. Seeing as he was in the military (marines and then national guard) for twenty years and took several schools and qualifications. He is also well versed in teaching at he was an instructor before. Blend that all together with his style, you get a great TH-cam channel.
Im halfway through this video and this guy knows how to truly put a side-by-side measurement on film. I should have subscribed sooner - will be my go-to researcher for ammo and weapons
My wife was watching this over my shoulder as I watched in my office. She said after.... "Hey... YOU'RE packing more.... not drastically more... but DEFINITELY more" LOL. And that's what I call love =] Great video and data as always... more than thorough. I think you hit the nail on the head by explaining that ammunition selection seems to be the most significant choice.... rather than caliber. I personally carry a 9mm. It's a micro compact with 13 +1 capacity which is stellar. Tiny, comfortable to carry and very concealable... even in shorts and a t shirt. I shot many different brands of ammo till I found the one that produces plenty of damage and I'm able to shoot very accurately. It checks all the boxes for me and I'd trust my life with it.
After several weeks of debating this issue in my head I resolved it by getting multiples of each. I feel MUCH better now!
Back in 2014 I was buying my first handgun - the S&W Shield. I called Academy and asked if they had one in 9mm - they only had one in .40. I was hesitant but bought it anyway. I'm glad I did. I know many rag on the .40 saying "what is the point? Etc" It's been good for me and so has the S&W Shield platform! Of course I also have a different model S&W 9mm pistol as well as a 9mm PCC. Never bought a .45 as I never saw a need for it - same with 10mm. I have a .357 revolver and a Glock 357 Sig - so no need for a 10mm or 45 , etc. I feel the .40 is close enough to a 45 and the 357 is close enough to a 10mm.
Another great video Paul. The
.40 caliber has great appeal and performance, I still enjoy the .45 acp myself. Depending on need or carry, my go to calibers are .45 acp, 9x19, 10mm. In my opinion those three cover all needs.
.45 acp & 9mm - personal defense
.45 acp - Home defense ( perfect home defense)
.45 (hardcast) & 10mm - wooded country and bear
Thanks again for your time and informative videos. 👍
Al Capone used to carry a 380. So did many gangsters of that era. Small, concealable, little recoil (fast follow ups) and in the hands of someone halfway proficient, quite accurate. I have seen a small framed female shoot a Sig 365 in 380 at 15 yards with deadly accuracy. All her shots were in the area just below the Adam's Apple in a circle of 3". That was all the more impressive since she shot rapid fire. She told me that the pistol was very pleasant to shoot for her; even the small micro nines kicked too much for her. But to each his/her own.
Where does .357 sig fall in your chart?
Great video Paul. Full of useful information presented in an unbiased manner. The best part .... it was fun to watch.
Life goal: Be on the range with Mr. Harrell for a day of learning.
This is a great comparison. I've always been a fan of both calibers, and usually carry a .40...G22 in fact. Thank you for doing this!
This man is a straight machine !!!!!! Respect to you sir for your priceless informative , teaching videos.
Paul your videos are great very educational when it comes to firearms not only that you have a good heart and the love for ppl to educate them all that together makes you awesome person keep the videos coming..
I can hear the "but, but, but!!...." of the 45 fans already.
And as the owner of a G22, after shooting a 1911-single column mag gun, I can use your line, Paul, that "this 1911 fits my hand better than this G22."
Wow, Paul. Excellent teacher, and excellent shooter. You really are the best gun channel out there. Always have great information on things we all want to know. Thank you, sir.
Thanks Paul. As always very well done and informative. I carried a Detonics 45 for many years, but I'll stick with my Glock 23 for now to carry.
Paul.... I just watched this video, and I am very impressed with your presentation. Awesome job in demonstrating the performance based on the ammo selected., which as you demonstrated was more important, then just the caliber.