This is a really good video so please don't be offended as I have one very minor correction. A junior doctor is not a medical student. Junior doctors are actually licensed practicing doctors with the most junior being FY1 who is freshly graduated from medical school to any of the early specialty training doctors who have had between 2-5 years. They are definitely not students.
I think that any doctor up to the level of Consultant is technically considered a Junior Doctor, at least in the NHS in England, especially as you said the 'Junior' Dr Blunder was promoted to Consultant after the incident, and in the chart you showed with the various rankings of junior doctors even an SpR or an SHO is technically a junior doctor.
This happened to my daughter. She went to the ER with Bone pain. She was given Tylenol and sent home. She didn't feel better and returned to the ER. They put her in the waiting room. She waited for 6 hours and collapsed on the waiting area floor. I was called to come to the hospital 8 minutes before my daughter died. This happened in Canada. There will be a Coroner's Inquest to investigate the circumstances and investigate why she wasn't treated. She had a treatable infection and should still be here. I miss my daughter.
I am so sorry that happened to you and your family. I know nothing can replace your daughter or dull that ache, but just know that your story has reached at least 1 person studying nursing. I personally look into these cases because I want to know what I can do to prevent it in my practice, and how to educate other medical professionals about these situations and what led to them. That would be much harder to do without the brave loved ones such as yourself speaking out with their stories. I hope the inquest is able to get to the bottom of your daughters case and make the appropriate recommendations and repercussions.
As a Canadian grad student in public health, I will be wholeheartedly supporting you and your family when the investigation unfolds. May your daughter’s memories remain untouched and happy
How the actual fuck can you look at a parent who has just watched their child collapse and have a seizure and tell them "pull yourself together". What the actual fuck
I'm an English person I've been in NHS hospital treatment and sadly I can imagine a medical employee saying that. Some hospitals feel more like prisons, it's down to luck if you get a kind person or not so kind person looking after you
I started getting sick at 13. I was dismissed as a defiant teenager, diagnosed with oppositional defiance disorder, then clinical depression, then bipolar (because I explained I sometimes feel sick and then go back to feeling fine which apparently translates to “depression then mania”) visited multiple doctors to discuss my extreme fatigue, photosensitivity, joint pain, hairloss, freezing hands and feet, swollen legs and rashes. I eventually got a journal and documented all my symptoms AND took photos of my rashes and BLUE hands and feet. I was told to get a handle on my mental illness and it would go away. I was also accused of hypochondria and told “I’m sure you think you’re sick, but I think you’re so worried about being sick that you’ve convinced yourself you’re sick, but you’re not.” I had issues staying in school and had to homeschool and then get my GED, did college online and still struggled with the fatigue. Couldn’t keep a job because I had too many sick days. I was 26 and post partum before I finally had somebody take me seriously; I felt GREAT during my pregnancy, but after giving birth, my illness came back. This was a red flag for my OBGYN who said autoimmune diseases often go into remission during pregnancy, and my symptoms did sound like they could be an autoimmune disease. She ran a lot of tests and I was referred to a rheumatologist and endocrinologist. I have Lupus and hashimotos. Was diagnosed at nearly 28.
I also have Hashimoto's. I knew you had an autoimmune disease just from reading your symptom list The rash clued me into possible lupus, and I was right. The cold hands and feet are something I also have with my Hashimoto's
@@anerdygoldenagesoprano when people on TH-cam can diagnose you faster than doctors 😂 Funny enough, one of my friends who has a sister with lupus actually told me long before my diagnosis that I sounded like I had lupus. I just don’t understand why so many of us can easily figure it out but doctors don’t bother to even try. It’s such a shame.
@@user-xz6bp9eq9p I want to be a pharmacist and I watched too much House growing up LOL If you can find my comment, it's a similar story. Docs don't give a shit about genetic disorders and autoimmune diseases. Chronically ill people don't seem to matter to them
I had terrible back and abdominal pain for years. Every time I went to the hospital, they’d just tell me they weren’t going to give me any opioids and send me home with prescription strength Tylenol, which did absolutely nothing. At least, they did until the last time, when I showed up vomiting black gunk, screaming any time anyone tried to touch my upper stomach, and with a high fever and crashing blood pressure. My gallbladder had finally tore after five years of being full of gallstones and sludge. I’m lucky to be alive. I can’t help but resent the doctors who treated me like a drug addict even though I was in terrible pain for years. I’m better now, but it left psychological scars. I guess I’m one of the lucky ones though. I actually survived.
That's so awful, I'm so sorry you dealt with that ordeal. Please tell me you sued them for neglect, or they got some retaliation. Too many hospitals get away with this stuff!
OMG. You poor thing. You were truly suffering and needed real pain control. How awful!!! They should have done an ultrasound the first time you went in!!!!!
healthcare workers despise addicts so much they're willing to let random people suffer for no reason (not that someone being an addict IS a reason to let them suffer) out of an irrational fear that they MIGHT be addicts
I’m so sorry. This is so common. Doctors really should be in trouble for their refusal to provide opioids point blank- ESP in a hospital setting where there is literally ZIP possibility of it being misdirected and misused. They are all trying to never write anything controlled. The only way to get any type of level revenge on them is to file complaints about the hospital and individual doctor(s). This will at least cause them stress and strain- at best they can be disciplined. It’s also free and much easier than a malpractice suit and lets them know that their refusal to care actually gets them in trouble
@@GiselleKlarait's really horrible how many people have had to suffer because of this new phase of the war on drugs. Instead of scaring moms and dads about it propaganda has turned to scaring doctors. And it's had serious consequences.
This story hits so close to home…my daughter started having severe stomach pains, I immediately contacted her pediatrician and she was checked out and send home with a case of food poisoning. He told me that she could take ibuprofen for the pain as well as pepto and tums, but after 3 days of this and her condition getting worse and not better I again spoke with her doctor. He didnt even see her just had a phone consultation and dismissed her as if she was lying to not have to go to school. But my gut told me that something was wrong and that night I took her to the children’s hospital. Come to find out that she had severe pancreatitis and because her pediatrician just dismissed her and I for several days, her organ was damaged and no longer able to regulate her blood sugar levels with the needed enzymes. She is now a type 1 diabetec and insulin dependent, but handles it like a rockstar 😊So…we took him to court and were able to get a judgement against him for negligence as well as assuring he would never be able to do this to any other child. The judge in the case called it “white coat complex”, so always trust your instincts.❤
@@757Princessunfortunately since Covid consultants feel like they don’t need to see someone in person. I can’t tell you how much my appointments now start with a phone call when before Covid they would actually see me in person.
This is absolutely a white coat complex. They think they are better than you and know how the body works, they don’t. It is your body and you know how you feel and you and your daughter both knew how she felt. I am so pleased your negligence judgement was upheld. Lots of love to you and your daughter ❤❤❤❤
Wow didn't expect that ending happy you got justice and prevented him from doing this to anyone else I hope doctors learn from these cases and don't end up resenting the patient
Really infuriating when doctors say "don't look your symptoms/illnesses up on the internet" or "dr. internet is full of misinformation" to dismiss their patients' concerns. The patient may not be a medical professional but they know their symptoms the best. Often seems like an ego issue, especially if the doctor's knowledge is outdated or incomplete.
I've seen doctors give out misinformation much more often than I've seen people misdiagnose themselves because of the internet. Both happen but the state of medical knowledge is nowhere near accurate enough to warrant adequate trust in medical professionals. Don't even get me started on the horror show that is psychiatry.
i always come to the dr with various articles i’ve read and my dr has never said anything beyond providing further context or explaining why it’s not a good source. never w judgement
I was told this a frightening number of times during the early stages of my husband's battle with acute Leukemia. Now I wish I had, maybe he wouldn't be paralyzed today.
Or at least, take time to explain why these signs don’t indicate sepsis or what your plan is if an infection turns septic. Just saying ‘I went to medical school’ doesn’t allay someone’s fears
It's absolutely an ego issue. I understand that *some* doctors may regularly deal with patients who misdiagnose themselves based on vague descriptions of something online -- but in most cases, what's the worst that comes of that? The patient has their fears allayed and is fine. More often, it's something less serious that gets taken care of. And once in a while, they get help they wouldn't have otherwise. I regularly have to educate doctors and nurses about my own medical conditions. Including things that are pretty common, but involve an areas of medicine that (apparently) aren't as well studied as they should be. If they haven't heard of it, they expect me to be able to explain it to them in detail. At the same time -- I have to be incredibly careful not to use "medical language", because many professionals will discount information from patients if they sound TOO educated. I've had multiple doctors & nurse practitioners REMOVE previous diagnoses from my files, of conditions they were unfamiliar with, because they decided I had just... .. read about it online and was just parroting information? I guess? Likewise, my partner's SKIN CANCER was misdiagnosed as a cherry angioma because an interning nurse practitioner (with no dermatology experience) decided that knowing more about dermatology than his patient was the hill he wanted (his patient) to die on. He "proved" his diagnosis by... doing a google image search of cherry angiomas. They looked nothing alike. He refused to consider other possibilities. It was a great time. We had to go to a different clinic the next day.
Agreed. My family and I were talking to an oncologist when I was 15. We said we wanted to get a second opinion before starting 7 months of intensive chemotherapy. She said “I don’t advise that”, but couldn’t legally stop us. But what she could do, and as we found out the hard way ended up doing, was call CPS on us Everything ended up fine and the case was closed after 45 days, but we’re still a bit mad at the doctor
@@mokithegay6020 thank you, thankfully things are better now We found a new doctor that actually cares about me, and it’s now a joke among my family and friends
I’m a nursing student right now and I usually try to avoid sad stories like this but I felt like watching this one was necessary so I can remember to always take what my patients say seriously
That’s why I watched it also. As infuriating as some families can be (because of their delivery), it’s still our job to take their concerns seriously. It sounds like these professionals were more concerned with keeping the parents calm than with the health & well-being of their patient. Unfortunate.
I'm studying to hopefully get into nursing school, and one thing that I'll make damn sure of is to be an advocate for patients and their families! If something doesn't set right with you, please tell me and I'll make sure that you are heard and listened to! Martha's unthinkable death could very well have been prevented if someone had listened to her mother's concerns! All parents, children, patients, and people, should be listened to and advocated for!
My mom, when she was a child, also fell on the bike with the handle ramming into her stomach. She went on thinking the pain was normal for having fallen of the bike. In the evening my grandpa found her on the couch almost unconscious and hurried her to the hospital. Turns out she had internal bleeding and wouldn’t have survived the night without doctor intervention. To think that she might not have been taken serious, is horrifying
When I was 14 I got a headache one day in class. I went to the nurse and after some ibuprofen didn't fix it, I was sent home. It was worse the next day and I stayed home from school, the next day it was worse still, a slowly mounting pain in my head, focused behind my eyes, I was having to take copious amounts of over the counter pain killers to help. I spiked a low fever. I went to my pediatrician and she gave me a referral for an eye doctor, but she didn't think it was that big a deal. The eye doctor looked in my eyes and seemed concerned. She told my parents she didn't know what was wrong, it wasn't the eyes themselves, but they weren't dilating properly, she was concerned I was having a stroke, a blockage in the vessels leading to my eyes so she gave me a referral to a neurologist. I never made it to that neurology appointment, it was the next evening but the next morning when I woke up the right side of my face was swollen, red and purple, and looked like it had a ping pong ball resting on it. My mom said I couldn't wait for the neurologist and took me to the ER. A young newly graduated doctor took a look, he sent me for a scan. The scan came back and he looked at it, he thought I was having an allergic reaction to something and almost sent me home with antihistamines and pain killers, but just in case he said "let me ask the attending to double check your scan, I think he's on his way out, I'm gonna see if I can catch him". A bit later the attending walked in with the new doctor, he had on his winter coat, gloves, hat, scarf, carrying his bag, it was mid February and he was ready to go home after a 12 hours shift. He smiled at me and looked at my scan. His smile vanished. He looked at the new doctor, he looked at me, he looked at my parents, he looked back at the scan. He left the room and came back with a text book, thumbing through the pages. He stopped and read something, and put the book down. He said to me "I'm very glad you're here, you need surgery, right now. We're going to clear an OR for you and I'm going to stay to do your surgery" he turned to leave the room and motioned for the new doctor to follow him. He started at a whisper out in the hall and his voice slowly got louder until I could hear him tearing apart the new doctor "What do you mean you didn't see anything??? Look at her scan! This is all infected! This right here, this is all pus! You were gonna send her home? You would've killed that girl!" We found out I had a relatively rare type of infection called orbital cellulitis. The ping pong ball on my face was my eye being forced from its socket by the growing abscess. The swelling was my body's desperate response to keep it in. It was told if we'd come in literally minutes later, we would've missed that attending doctor and I would've lost the eye because he was the only one qualified nearby, they would have had to have air lifted me to the next person and the eye wouldn't have made it that long. Had I been sent home and tried to push through the pain, I'd likely have been dead that night. I spent two weeks recovering in the ICU. I was bounced from doctor to doctor with most not taking it very seriously, I could've ended with the same fate as this poor girl. I'm so lucky I finally saw someone who listened just in time. I can only hope she's at peace.
This is horrible, I'm so sorry you had to deal with that illness. From an internet stranger, I'm grateful that you were able to get life saving treatment and kept your sight ❤️🩹❤️🩹
I have had so many relatives with cellulitis that doctors missed! First they don’t seem to recognize it and then they don’t treat it aggressively enough when they finally figure it out. My uncle would have lost his leg and possibly his life if not for my mom who herself is a doctor yelling at his doctor as to the correct treatment. I had an er doctor tell me that my 95 year old grandmother didn’t have cellulitis in her leg (she had already been diagnosed as having it) that her leg was red because it had blood vessels in it. I’m sitting there thinking (on Christmas Eve no less) hmm she has two legs they both have blood vessels in them but only one leg is red - you do the math doc! I’m only a doctors daughter but sadly I’m better at recognizing cellulitis than a lot of doctors!
My mom had a brain tumor. A couple of days after the surgery, she suddenly and rapidly deteriorated. My dad, who was a young doctor at the time, called for the nurses to alert the doctors. They told him, they'd do so after they had finished changing everyone's bed sheets. My dad told them "No, you're going to call them NOW". Had he not been as confident with his demand, my mom would have died. It must be incredibly traumatic to know that your child's life is on the line but not being able to make your concerns heard. I wish Martha's family a lot of strength!
I’m so sorry this happened to you, my mom also had a brain tumor and is half deaf and can’t work anymore, technically she kind of still has it since the recent mri’s she got has shown that some of the cells are coming back. Since it was pushing against an important facial nerve they could only empty the inside of the tumor but it should’ve been fine since she also gets radiation for it. Horrified that she’s going to get as sick as she was 4 years ago before surgery or that something bad will happened like what’s happened with your mom. I’m very glad your dad was able to keep anything worse from happening to your mom that’s very heartwarming
They really put bedsheets before the health of a patient...unbelievable. I'm so happy your mother is doing better. What's with doctors and nurses being so apathetic in a career where passion and empathy is needed (imo)?
Thats so stupid to prioritize changing bedsheets over the life of another human being...these people do not need to be working in hospitals if they don't care to treat people with serious health problems.
Sepsis is one of the few medical things that actually scares the shit out of me, especially because of how easily doctors love to ignore it. That poor sweet child, all from a simple fall.
At least in my country, we are always trained to see for signs of sepsis. It's scary because the signs are always confusing and easily taken as something else. Shiverings, fever, dizyness etc... As a medical worker, it's one of my biggest fears too because the patient can become extremely ill in few hours.
I've had sepsis a few times and it's extremely terrifying to have. I almost lost my whole foot due to doctors leaving me in the er waiting room for over 24 hours. They gave me a few bed pads to wrap around it (it was actively draining and I was in severe pain,it was 3x its normal size) and sent me back to the waiting room. I couldn't walk, I had no help to even use the bathroom for over 24 hours. I required surgery on my foot and had to pack it. Another time I had sepsis in my abdominal wall due to my feeding tube, I couldn't move and I genuinely thought I was going to die. The pain of sepsis in my abdominal wall together with my pancreatitis was absolutely hellish.
Oh man you tell me about it. My personal doctor visit diagnosed me with a simple fever during which I almost passed out. By time my entire body started hurting too much to even get off the bed my mom called an ER. It was apparently right on time, too. Sepsis attacking my heart, causing anemia, kidney failure... Almost 3 months of recovery in a hospital and I only didn't need heart surgery out of sheer luck that the antibiotics were a perfect fit. It absolutely feels like a normal cold when it first starts out.
I learned a long time ago that as a patient in the medical field, you NEED to stand your ground. Whenever they’d deny to do anything I asked for, I’d tell them to write it on my chart in front of me; that they’d denied me access
as a veterinarian this is so insane to me bc we learn how to detect this kind of thing without the pacient saying anything. it's kind of terrifying to know that even being told what is happening human doctors still ignore what is right in their faces. rip martha
I’m an rvt and I was thinking the same thing; including how even over the phone we have questions we can ask that help is gauge whether we are concerned sepsis is happening in the patient if they are declining. Martha was let down the moment the first doctor dismissed his nurse’s concerns to have him come down. My current doctors would not dismiss me if I asked them to come look at a patient, even if I admitted I may just be over reacting, they would still come look. My “over reacting” has been case changing before.
I have fantastic doctors now, but there was a time I joked that I was going to stop shaving and start seeing our cats’ vet. I decided I wanted a doctor and clinic who treated me as well as our vets and their clinic did.
This. I only worked at the kennels of a Vet Hospital but I learned very early on that the Vets there were way more efficient and effective at treating their patients who can't even tell them where it hurts etc. Any time there was a case where the Vet was unsure or just wanted confirmation of what they suspected they wouldn't hesitant to have their colleague another Vet come tell them what they think. Or some of the Vet's were better at certain difficult surgeries then others so they would ask that Vet to perform the surgery while they assisted them. During the time I was there none of the 4 Vets had an ego that made them think they didn't need another opinion and sometimes they would offer their help to one another if they had a few free moments like a canceled appointment or if they over heard a case that seemed difficult/interesting, they seemed to want to learn. They even had a monthly doctor's meeting where they discussed difficult cases or new treatments etc. I knew my furbabies were in great hands cuz I saw how they operated as Vets. Made me feel extremely disappointed in human doctors especially when you can verbalize to them your symptoms and they dismiss you completely, make you feel like you have no clue what you are talking about or you are paranoid/crazy or a hypochondriac even tho you only go to see them once a year and try not to be a bother. I know I have something wrong with me for the last few years now my symptoms have only gotten worse but I've completely given up at the moment with Doctors, my heart just can't take dealing with it anymore or my mental health. Maybe I'll get motivated to try again but not right now, I literally just go home crying feeling defeated or like I must be a nut case I guess.
I had a strange issue with one of my chameleons. I was an experienced keeper and my vet treated many in her career. Neither of us had any idea. My vet asked a colleague and hit the books. I was very impressed.
One thing I’ve learned about sepsis; first learn the signs. No matter who you are. Second, if you suspect sepsis in yourself or a loved one DO NOT STOP MAKING NOISE. Insist that they look for sepsis. If you’re wrong you’re wrong. You are the one paying those medical bills. Scream and shout if you have to. But sepsis is always deadly if not treated. If you have any suspicions at all, INSIST that they check for it. You have every right to do so. Ask for another doctor. Do whatever you need to do. It’s life or death.
@@fee6631 if you google it you can find a lot of helpful information and even infographics that make it really easy to understand. But I have heard it likened to feeling like you’re actually going to die. Like you just feel so awful. Shivering. Pale clams skin. Horrific headaches. And scarily it can happen from the most minute injuries sometimes. I know someone who died of sepsis from hitting his knee on a table… it only left a bruise. But he developed sepsis from it and died because they didn’t catch the sepsis soon enough. But basically what happens is your body completely over responds to an injury and it starts spiraling out of control. I know it sounds scary, and it is, but learn the signs and advocate for yourself. Like I said, pitch a fit if you feel like you’re septic until someone listens.
@@kerrissedai6857 I truly think if they had even considered sepsis and tested for it super early on, it would have saved her life. She was feeling awful. It’s possible her parents weren’t aware of sepsis and how fast it can move. That’s why I advocate for learning the signs and speaking up. If a doctor won’t listen, get anther doctor.
This doesn’t sound like a situation where they weren’t listening to the family. It sounds like everybody knew it was wrong, and they just chose not to treat her. 😢
@@isirlasplace91because they simply don’t care and just want money and greed. People already don’t care about women and little girls illnesses and pain. They simply don’t care.
Totally agree. While it's better than nothing, it makes me wonder why the focus was placed so much on a second opinion, when in reality there were many multiple doctors who saw Martha, knew she was in sepsis, and knew she needed to be transferred to icu for treatment. A second opinion might help, but does nothing to solve the root issue of these doctors watching a girl die from a disease they knew how to prevent for literally no reason.
@@isirlasplace91 Typical doctor narcissim, it's a field of prestige and only those with money can go to med school so you find the typical rich kid cliquey narcissistic holier than thou attitude is quite common. The type of family than tends to push and force their kids into such fields (lawyer is another one) tend to be abusive and instill these kinds of attitudes and lack of empathy. Simply growing up rich without pushback already inherently gives you a superiority complex. I also imagine the holiday weekend coming up meant doctors just wanted to get out of there asap and were cognitively biased to perceive there is nothing going on so they would not have to stay back and do as little work as possible.
@@VicarAmeliasi mean student debt in the uk cancels out after you're 30 so i don't think it's to do with being rich as the student loans aren't like American ones
This happened to my nephew. My sister in law took my nephew took him to the hospital not once, not twice.. but MULTIPLE times and the doctors sent him home with an inhaler. He passed away from a severe sinus infection. Hospitals need to make a change asap.
Yeah. I was thinking about Ryan’s Rule before Petal mentioned it, and I think there might even be other similar rules by other names in other states. It’s a bit fucked up that it takes a child dying in quite similar circumstances before a rule is implemented somewhere.
That is because "healthcare" has become so substandard and corrupted in so many places that you may not know whether you or your kin are actually going to make it out of the hospital alive if it's one of those that practices profits before people or whether the "health care Professionals" in your hospital have any standards of care whatsoever that they are held to. This happens when Staff like Dr DoLittle are never held accountable for their failure to assess and treat
it bothers me a bit that we're not acknowledging how often this happens primarily towards women. It's no secret that women's concerns are often dismissed as exaggerations. Or, it's even systemic, such as no pain relief during IUDs and requiring mothers to lie supine during labor. It's screwed up, but I imagine making the process anonymous when listing symptoms would also help prevent this from happening
@@rnindlessyes! And not to mention the fact that most research has been made on white, cis males. I have endometriosis, and the process to get diagnosed and the amount of people who told me to "deal with it" is sickening. Not to mention the difference in symptoms for a heart attack between the sexes.
jesus christ, i can't even imagine the trauma of holding your daughter while she seizes and loses bowel control, knowing she's dying... it's fucking terrifying. it's rare that videos on darker topics bother me to be honest, but this image has me shaken. they didn't deserve this. she could've survived.
To be fair, sepsis is actually a term with a lot of varying sometimes contradictory definitions and at times the difference medically is entirely up to subjective opinion by the doctor. That's one of the things the Sepsis Alliance (i think that's their name) is trying to change. Diagnosis needs to be standardized so that doctors can effectively be held to that standard
@@dweebicusmaximusthis! I almost died of sepsis, but doctors did not want to call it that because i did not run a fever. My temperature dropped. They said if it was bad i should have had a fever. Next thing i know, they are giving me a "medication of last resort" because i was dying 🤦♀️
@@AliciaGuitarmy temperature was not high enough to alarm anyone but my natural body temp is lower in general so in MY case I WAS running a high fever but the doctors weren’t treating me as an individual. And so after 6 days of being so sick I can’t even remember it clearly now.. the initial hospital, of the 4 that I was seen at that week, called my mom to rush me to the ER immediately because they had gotten results back of some bacteria in my blood stream and feared I would die. I was 13. My dad was deployed overseas in Iraq. They had to send special orders for him to be sent back. The doctors told my mom they didn’t think I’d make it for his return. I’m only alive today because my grandma forced them to do more that first time, to run more tests. I did recover thankfully. But this happens more than we think!!!
There's a statistic floating around showing that women are 30% more likely to pass at the hands of male doctors than female and I fullheartedly believe it. For me, a well-regarded cardiologist once yell-scolded me because I couldn't convert ounces to liters off the top of my head (and me offering to quickly look it up was insulting, apparently... idk 🤷) Same instance, still hyped up, he asked about caffeine consumption- before I answered he launched into yelling that my (then- undiagnosed POTS) was caused by "female chocolate consumptiom" and basically screamed "WOMEN SHOULD NEVER EAT CHOCOLATE!!" I was alone with him in the the room, seated, and he was on a swivel stool between me and the door. He flew to his feet and I remember him waving his clipboard/tablet-thing toward and over my head (but its been a few years and I might be overlapping the memory with a medical drama or something). When I told him I'd been abstaining from all caffeine as per his recommendation, he jumped tracks, and blamed 10 years of heart-pounding medical shennanigans on anxiety. I left every appointnent with him in tears. Due to some bs policy (and the hospital not finding the discriminatiom overt enough), I had to wait until he retired (five years) before I was allowed to switch cardiologists. Last year, within the first fifteen minutes of our first appintment, the new cardiologist prescribed me the beta-blockers I'd been needing for more than fifteen years. I didnt have to fight to be believed, or lead in with the "it first started when..." origin story. She understood my needs solely by sight of my chart (and was actually infuriated on my behalf that out of the, like, eight doctors passing me around, none of them tried anything beyond prozac and midodrine). If Dr's can't hold space for the medical opinions of nurses, patients, or patients' families, then they have no business being doctors.
I absolutely believe that statistic too. I'm afab, and I've been having chronic pain for a few years now with still no answer (and plenty of dr appointments.. all male). They just tell me bc I'm 16 that I'm "healthy" and send me back out. It's ridiculous. I also suspected I might have POTS, so I went to a cardiologist to get checked out.. not only was he just plain wrong abt the condition (he said it was RARE.. when any small amount of research shows it's common, especially in females) but he also told me that since I got up and walked into the room, I was healthy and fine. He ignored EVERYTHING my mom and I tried to say to him bc he just wanted me out of there. For some more context, I'm an ex cancer patient, I had leukemia at 2½ years old and was cleared at 5 after years of in and out hospitalizations and chemotherapy, so I'm literally no means healthy lol. But not even my history convinced him to listen. After the second appt to go over my halter(holter? I forgot the spelling) monitor he finally admitted I may have "the beginnings of mild POTS" but really just wanted to say my symptoms were due to being female. ofc. Most of the problems I've been having recently tho are in my joints, shoulders, neck, head, etc. my joints are popping out of place w/o any stress or activity (among other chronic conditions I've had), and I've been wanting to get checked out for ehlers danlos syndrome. the last appt I had was w/ a neurosurgeon to address my low-lying cerebral tonsil for chiari malformation, and the appt went exactly like this: you don't have that condition, but idk what's actually wrong w/ u nor do I care enough to figure it out. Medicate yourself more! like I'm not already taking plenty of meds for my pain, etc.. and he didn't even ask me what meds I'm already taking. It literally could've been over the phone if that's all he had to say. This treatment of my mom and I (who's also having concerning health problems- she's been hospitalized a few times for kidney failure and reoccurring ecoli) has been like this for the last 2-3 years. It's insane. Even tho my drs all keep saying it's "not serious or life threatening" I still get worried to fall asleep at night in case I don't wake up. I hope it changes soon
Can relate sooo much. So tired of having my scary episodes be brushed off as anxiety. And I know anxiety can be extremely scary, because I've had actual anxiety attacks where I literally thought I was dying. But my issues being brushed off are NOT anxiety.
i once had a male doctor tell me my inability to breathe properly was caused by stress, which was in his expert opinion, caused by watching the news, and a lack of faith in god. he then launched into a completely unrelated 30-minute political rant, unloading all of his hatred of The Libs onto me and my boyfriend, and i'm not gonna lie i genuinely found it hilarious at the time just because it was so inappropriate and out of left field. he also wasn't wearing any kind of name tag, so by the time i thought to report him, i realized i couldn't
@@judytaquino6412 If any other group screws up on the job, train drivers, construction workers, whatever, it's called negligent homicide. Failure to give proper and standard care is certainly negligent. So I agree, it's criminal.
Just angry. Frantic will make them not take you seriously. If you're angry they might even be scared into looking into it for fear of a lawsuit or even assault.
Yes. This happened with my uncle and aunt. My uncles life was in danger and the nurses were recording false obs. My aunt raised hell and stayed with him for 3 weeks until he was discharged. She said they hated her on the ward but she would rather be hated than her husband be killed
I work in a hospital as a tech (nurse assistant) on a med surge floor. When they think a patient has sepsis they'll instantly send in a whole team. I've heard that once sepsis sets in you only have minutes to intervene- just wow.
Yep my girlfriend had sepsis and as soon as the nurse checked her out immediately over the intercom we heard "septic alert room 6 septic alert room6!" And we realized oh shit we're room 6 and a bunch of people came in and started running tests pronto. Sepsis is no joke.
This is what I don't understand, every hospital I've been to always ran tests immediately the moment I or whoever I accompanied presented with sketchy symptoms. I had horrible food poisoning and because I handle products from Malaysia all day every day, they even ran tests for tropical diseases and parasites. I've been turned inside out so hard that they even found tumors (just lipomas in the end) and that my ovaries have withered away, causing me to have little to no hormones, aka the reason I'm fat and tired. And this girl died, just like that. Why? Because.
Yeah your NHS system ain’t working… period end of story. They would have sent a team if that’s what they do… but they didnt… I have a feeling there’s a lot more cases like this out there
Last year, my uncle went septic with kidney failure in the hospital due to an infected catheter. The doctor left him there with the infected catheter still in, while the infection spread through my uncle's body. When my mother visited the hospital and pointed out to the doctor that the urine bag wasn't filling (his kidneys were already shutting down), the doctor argued that "nothing is wrong" and walked away ignoring my mother and my uncle. The next day, it was my mother who had to alert the nurse in the room that my uncle was going into cardiac arrest. My uncle died of an entirely treatable UTI because of a doctor who couldn't care less about helping patients. Always fight for your life and your health. Always.
Tragically this happens all over the world, in regards to sepsis. My colleague aged 45 died of septic shock when he was disbelieved by the A&E doctor and sent home. He clearly had a burst appendix and peritonitis. It was whispered by the same doctor outside my cubicle to other staff that, "She's a malingerer" when I presented to the A&E for the third day in a row, with rigours, vomiting and infection. In fact I had septicemia, but was also sent home. By the grace of God and prayer I survived. My GP was a 1,000x better doctor than the ones at the hospital. 🇳🇿 As nurses, we are sometimes even less believed by doctors, than the general public. What a travesty for Martha, I was almost screaming as you were relating what was happening to her and her family. How terrible. And what is more galling is the promotion of the doctor. What a wicked and unjust world we live in. 🖤
This is heartbreaking! As a retired BSN, I pissed off plenty of doctors, and was never sorry a single time. I was actually correct every time. My patients were always my priority 💔
I'm a UK-trained doctor. When I trained in the 90's the importance of allowing patients/families a second opinion was already pushed, as was the importance of clinicians asking for peer review if we are unsure about cases.
I think the issue here is that the drs didn’t think they were unsure or wrong about her condition. This is sadly something I have seen in too many healthcare professionals. It’s something that should have more attention and education focused on.
Yeah well now (in my experience) having your patient or their family request a second opinion or even just query the clinical options is taken as an incredibly personal insult. And it hurts the patients. In horrifying and life destroying ways.
@@ylenagreen4084 my old GP is guilty of this. I presented with back pain, that radiated down my leg and my back would seize up in agony if I was standing for more than a couple of mins. I was sent for an MRI. It found ‘low lying conus’ with ‘tethered filum’. Basically my spinal cord is tethered where it is supposed to sit loose in the spine. This can lead to a LOT of scary shit (including cognitive degeneration and loss of bladder and bowel control) and is usually found when you’re a baby. It’s very rarely seen in adults, but once symptomatic, is progressively degenerative. Despite these results, my GP confidently told me it’s ‘just chronic pain’. I was already presenting with some minor bladder symptoms at this point. I fought them on it, telling them I was happy to be told it’s just an ‘incidental finding’ by someone who actually had experience of the condition in adults. Not someone who had likely never seen it before. Long story short-ish, I ended up paying privately for a consult with one of the best spinal surgeons in the country. He told me the pain wasn’t caused by the finding. BUT he wanted me to get urological testing to look for neurogenic bladder. As this is one of the telltale signs that the tethered cord is actively deteriorating (for lack of a better term). 2 years on from that appt I finally had that testing this month. They found a specific type of neurogenic bladder (detrusor sphincter dyssynergia) - the only thing that can cause this condition - the spine. Spinal defects, trauma etc. it’s almost impossible to treat and has gotten much worse in these 2 years. My new GP thankfully is brilliant and has referred me straight back to this surgeon on the NHS (but at a private hospital that the NHS has contracted). So hopefully the wait won’t be insane this time. But the thing is, they can release the cord. BUT all that does it prevent any further deterioration. Any damage done is permanent. And my old GP would have left me, not on any waiting lists just to be sure… they even removed me from the NHS waitlist to see this surgeon for follow up after I paid to see him (that I’d had to fight them to put me on). That I could be close to the top of the waiting list for now. Sorry, guess I needed to get that out of my system 😂
@@ssua3035well it did eventually - Martha's Law. Sadly, it wasn't soon enough for Martha. The NHS is being systematically dismantled by the Tories, who have been in power for too long and have overseen horrific underfunding and undermining of the NHS. They want a nice, lucrative private system where a few rich people get lots richer, the citizens work ever harder to pay for expensive private medical insurance, while the government can spend more of it's income on nice, lucrative deals to enrich those same, few cronies even further. Meanwhile, the doctors and nurses are overworked, underpaid and under-resourced. It was a beautiful system that worked well once. The NHS was highly respected world wide. Now it is struggling, even with donations, to provide the service it would love to give.
I've had sepsis. It felt like I was on fire. It took 7 hours before I was treated (I had a night nurse whose routine I was interrupting, so my problem wasn't addressed until the next morning, and I was too sick to demand help), and I honestly felt like I was dying the entire time. I can't imagine what that poor child went through for DAYS. As soon as you mentioned the rash, I thought, "That's it. She's not going to make it." I hate being right.
@OffTheWagons Im a nurse, and some of the most evil people I have ever encounter are other fellow nurses. Also the nurses might have sympathised with you, but the Head Nurse is the one that has the power so the other nurses are powerless and know that they have nothing to do. They even know her senior nurse is a horrible one but they cannot do much. Fighting for you was futile and even work-risking for them. A lot of people dont realize that there are a lot of people coming into hospitals, we see a lot of things. For us is just another one sometimes (I know sounds bad) but its a sharp contrast to the person that is sick how chill the medical stuff might be.
@@Alejojojo6I really don’t care how much yall see. Doing what is right precedes all that. Yall didn’t get into medical school to pussyfoot around with people’s lives. You guys are just as important as the military that serves the country. If nurses can’t handle the fact they have to do some risky things to save someone’s life. Why work there? It’s your job to make sure everyone is taken care of and any malpractice is addressed. And pussyfooting around has costed a child’s life. I get treating every patient like they are your own family is a lot, but too much emotional disconnection causes a lack of empathy. A lack of empathy causes carelessness. And no one working in the medical field should be careless.
@@Ishouldnthavebeensopublic The acceptance of a patient into the ward is not in the Nurses power, its on the head nurses. Its like a common soldier trying to tell the superiors the strategy they have to follow. There is little a nurse can do to have the patient accepted if the head nurse doesnt want to. Its a lost cause to fight for a fight you are going to loose 100%. Its absurd even if you have had accepted the patient or feel he should be accepted, a common nurse cannot take you in the ward if their boss doesnt want to. What causes disconnection is that you go in to save lives but then you are hit by the reality of life and death. We dont see death as the rest of people do. Death is normal, some die some dont and sometimes you are powerless to stop them from dying no matter what you do. Its the first thing you learn: You cannot save everyone.
The fact that these laws are only put in place once a person has died due to the neglect of "professionals" around them, makes me so sick. She should still be here, it breaks my heart to know that her last days were filled with so much pain
I was stuck in a hospital dying and wanted a second opinion. The surgeons tried to talk me out of it but they weren’t doing anything to make me better. I finally got transferred to another hospital and the new doctors were disturbed by the condition the other doctors let me get to.
Inflated ego and lack of empathy is EXACTLY how I would describe the majority of NHS doctors. I'm so livid at some of the things I have seen over and over again in UK hospitals due to NHS doctors thinking they themselves know better than parents, other doctors and systems.
Sadly, its not just the NHS. Doctors here in the U.S. are the exact same way. They could not care less about the lives of their patients and their egos are so inflated that they refuse to consult with other doctors when they can't figure out what is wrong with a patient or don't know how to treat them. The average amount of time someone with a chronic illness has to advocate for themselves while fighting for a diagnosis is seven years. SEVEN YEARS of being sick or in pain and going from one doctors appointment to another just praying that this will be the doctor that takes you seriously and is able to figure out what's wrong with you. And keep in mind, we pay for all of those appointments. Even with insurance we'll have a copay of some kind for every appointment. And more often than not the person struggling to get a diagnosis ends up getting labeled as a "drug seeker" because they've seen so many doctors and possibly even multiple trips to the ER. And that label can make it even more difficult to be taken seriously by doctors. I will never understand how two countries as progressive and rich as ours have medical systems that are this broken. I mean, there is literally no excuse for this girl to have died the say she did. In theory she was in the best place possible when she developed sepsis. They should have caught it right away, and the earlier you start treating sepsis the more likely you are to survive it. It was a completely avoidable tragedy... I will definitely be saying a prayer for her parents and loved ones... Sorry for rambling. It just makes me so mad!
@@bri5155 No need to apologize for rambling because it is an important issue that needs to be addressed. The U.S. healthcare system is one that needs nationwide standardization, as where I'm from the healthcare is some of the best in the nation, but if you were to examine the state of healthcare in many deep southern states it would fill anyone with dread. Sometimes as Americans one can move around to another state for treatment, but in the U.K. there is only the option of traveling abroad. The horrifying truth is the standards of healthcare practice in the U.K. is on par with the worst states in America. My fiancee is a U.K. native and she waited 7 years on their list before having a vital appointment for her hormonal imbalance, which was reducing her quality of life to null. When I was living there with her during 2020-2021, I had to travel back home as I was left to deteriorate as no medical practitioner seemed to care, and the ones who did suppressed. While of course it is not a contest because lives are at stake, the NHS is so broken it is impossible to rectify without a complete overhaul. I simply wish both countries, and all countries for this matter, the people can have the right to proper medical care and accessibility.
This might not be the case for most people, but I went to med school in the UK several years back. "Inflated ego and lack of empathy" is a chillingly accurate way of describing many of the students I was studying with. I still expect to see one of my roommates on the news one day for some heinous crime carried out during practice. Getting a place is so competitive, I guess a huge ego is a prerequisite. Many of the students were so headstrong and self-assured, which in my experience of being in that environment, is necessary to make it. The drop-out rate in the first year alone is like 10%. Many of the kind and caring students are weeded out - I'm certainlt not calling myself necessarily kind and caring because I didn't make it past the first year, but I saw other empathetic coursemates weeded out in that one year. Those who can rise to the challenge are perhaps the most cutthroat. Perhaps many get into it because their parent(s) were doctors and it's expected for them to go into it too. Perhaps many of the male students enjoy the female attention they get from being so "successful" (women certainly do swarm to med students and doctors, and many of the guys I studied with did come across like they were god's gift to women). They are trying to capture genuine empathy at the point of entry, this is a quality the students are expected to demonstrate to get a place on the course. Unfortunately, people can say whatever they want to at interview, and as long as they're a convincing liar, they'll be believed and get a place. And we know what people say about people who can lie and manipulate others so effortlessly...
Inflated ego definitely. However the lack of empathy isn’t their fault. They are working hours the average person cannot even imagine. They are constantly stressed. When you are stressed ALL THE TIME your body reacts by stopping your ability to feel that sadness. You literally stop caring as a protective mechanism. It doesn’t make it better but it explains it. The only way to fix this is to incentivize more people to go into medicine, to lower hours worked by residents and attendings, and to also increase the amount of healthcare literacy the average person has.
@@DunmerLoverAKA-Alex this is so true I've just applied to medical school and had some interviews they always empathise on empathy which i thought was great as it will encourage students to think about their paitents more and that was what one of the questions/role-play scenarios I was given. But I think what you said about the empathic students being weeded out is true recently a junior doctor committed suicide she was training in Birmingham University medical school and wrote in her suicide note that it was her hostile work place that lead her to commit suicide I think this is a pretty accurate example of the empathic ones being weeded out in order to withstand that type of environment you have to be apathetic
Although an adult at the time, I've survived sepsis. It took me crashing, BP almost non-existent, for a diagnosis to be determined. The pain was so severe, my mind has blocked out most of the day I collapsed. I remember the paramedics wheeling me out fhe door, then nothing until about 12 hrs later, although my friend assured me I was conscious for quite a while in the ER. I woke up in the ICU while receiving an 8th bag of saline solution. They were pumping it in as fast as they could to bring my BP back up. I literally gained 30 lbs of water weight from all that! I was hospitalized for nearly 30 days. It's a deadly condition!
i live in the uk and theres posters in every doctors office, miu, a&e about how serious sepsis is, its everywhere! I can't believe the doctors weren't taking it seriously!!!
Literally, I was thinking if it’s made this clear to us non- healthcare workers how serious sepsis is, surely they should be well aware but apparently not!!!
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why she wasn’t taken seriously, the doctors figured “oh she’s just looked at all the signs and got paranoid”. So so frustrating
as a pediatric nurse, i have had to metaphorically square up with doctors before in order to push for my patients to receive the care that they need. it is so disheartening to know that all of these nurses ignored the family's concerns and let this poor child suffer. it reminds me a little of the case of Libby Zion, a girl who went to the hospital with flu-like symptoms and later died from (preventable) serotonin syndrome because the medical residents weren't careful with what meds they gave her. there is a law named for her now that limits the amount of hours residents can work in a week.
Our family dog bit my mother once to the bone on her finger. (Dog fell down the stairs and lashed out because she was in pain). By the time we were seen in the ER, 4 hours or more after arrival, the red infection was already traveling up her arm. I tried to tell them, hey, the dog has been on antibiotics and this is clearly infected - meaning that this infection is resistant. They didn't listen and gave her whatever broad spectrum bs. Hours later, they assessed again and were like "yup, it's not working" but by this time her hand was so swollen they were considering surgery to cut open the hand to relieve pressure to preserve the use of the hand. And the red has made it far enough up the arm that i was worrying about sepsis. Luckily, they were able to try a new antibiotic and the infection was halted. But it was administered every four hours. I had to track down nurses every time it ran out in the night. If i hadn't, they would have let her sit without antibiotics. I don't understand how people can be so nonchalant about peoples lives and livelihoods. I shudder to think what would have happened had i not insisted in going with my mother that day.
I very much enjoy how you don’t sensationalize the situations you cover in your videos. You always talk extensively about these people as people and not just victims of medical malpractice. Putting the fact that these are all people first and foremost is something I feel a lot of channels covering medical situations or true crime don’t do. Martha was a real girl who had many aspirations and still had an entire life to live, a life that was ripped from her far too early due to neglect and incompetence. May she rest in peace 🕊️❤️
This is the #1 reason why I watch this channel. I know sensationalist stuff will always draw an audience, but I really wish this kind of integrity in serious discussions could be a new standard.
I know someone who went into septic shock recently, and is still recovering. To listen how Martha’s injury progressed into her final moments was horrifying, it’s like it goes beyond medical negligence. This poor girl understood she was dying, and her parents had to watch it happen…those doctors should be losing their licenses, not getting promotions.
I am very impressed with Petal Palmer, her speaking voice and delivery are impressive, clear, concise, very informative without over elaborations and very pleasant to the ear.. She related this whole tragic tale with empathy but no melodrama which is greatly appreciated... and she effectively told this needlessly tragic tale which every medical person should be required to listen to.
Unfortunately I went through a similar situation. Pain in the abdomen brushed off as period cramps, eventually got to an unbearable state. Found out it absolutely was not that and needed emergency surgery. I was 12… I don’t think it’s crazy to assume misogyny possibly plays into this case as well. It’s painful to think about that, especially when we’re talking about a young girl too…😢
Same here, they let my appendicitis be untreated for 2 whole days because, even though I told them it wasn't, they thought it was period cramps. I was boiling and couldn't even move, iwas nowhere near my period and I know my body well enough to know what is and isn't a period pain. It took one female doctor on the second day to send me to get my appendix checked. Long story short, it took me 3 days to get the surgery and my appendix had bursted, luckily no serious complications came after, knowing how bad that situation could have went. Misogyny could have very much killed me, just like it has had before to many other women I am sure, the medical field is absolutely against treating women with respect and care it seems
@@brainrot3254Misogyny definitely! Doctors seriously underestimate not only women but children as well, my little brother’s appendix also ruptured and during the days before the doctors brushed it off as a stomachache at worst. When he arrived to surgery the surgeon almost called the police on my parents because my brother was literally hours away from dying. Really scary how the judgement of other people can get you killed, I hope you are recovering well
Its so stupid how these foolish doctors keep brushing off someone's pain especially females, because they really do think patients are dumb. I think these doctors are dumb and never need to step foot in a hospital again. This world need more doctors who listen to patient and their pain!
It's wild to me that they say they didn't think it was sepsis for so long. Okay, then what is it? Clearly whatever you're giving her isn't fixing it. You gonna do something to fix it or just stand there and say what it isn't? I kept thinking if it was possible to transfer that child out of there to another hospital where they would take it seriously. I'm glad the law was put in place, sad a child has to lose her life for it to finally be serious.
The worst part is the interruption would have been minimal. Literally a phone call to the PICU saying "she's getting worse, can you take care of her?" That's now one less patient on your ward and more time for your holiday. But the superiority complex had to get in the way of a simple transfer of care
My dad had an issue where he began to choke after heart surgery, and tried to signal a nurse nearby. He was waving and pointed to himself saying he was struggling, and she went, "I don't know what (mimicking my dad's movements) is :/" and left annoyed. Thankfully, my dad saved himself and is doing fine today. But why should someone who should be helping him act like he's a burden?? Hell, my mom almost died having my sister and I because of internal bleeding. It was only until my family spoke up that something was done. There's so many doctors and nurses that treat their patients badly bc of an ego trip to not be wrong or bothered, and it's beyond words infuriating. WHY be in this profession if you aren't going to give a damn about a patient and their health, especially if it involves a child? I'd be so devastated with myself if a patient, let alone child, died under my care, to say the bare minimum. Martha had a long life ahead of her, and it was stopped because of ignorant, self absorbed, sub humans. Losing a child is something I would never wish on anyone.
So they knew she was dying and didn’t care, is what I’m getting. Someone with good intentions would’ve checked on the little girl who was very much in obvious pain. The apathy humans can reach is downright cruel for no reason.
I think all the "providers" who cared for her should be criminally charged. Their behaviors and lack of action (on every occasion) was shameful. They allowed this child to die. They ensured this child would die. They killed this child.
I think the consultants should be pursued. However, the junior doctors can have literally days of experience with paediatrics so I think it’s a tad unfair to prosecute them. If they escalated when they were out of their depth (which it sounds like they did) then they did what they were supposed to.
2021?! This story feels like it’s from the 80’s and not modern medicine. My mother has a medical background and has always advocated for my medical care. This family was not given proper medical care at all. Very scary
Modern medicine is not the Holy Grail, although it likes to keep up that facade for reasons that should be obvious. It has deteriorated considerably since the 80's even though there is a lot of shiny, fancy and expensive tech to cover the corruption up. Don't be fooled. Having a lot of the latest in high tech equipment, does not necessarily translate into better outcomes in health for the patient
@@margaretr5701agreed. This is the core issue across the NHS. No matter what I do at work I am giving shit care, the system just doesn’t support good care.
Really dumb comment, with every passing decade care in hospital gets worse and worse. Sounds like your comparing 2024 medical care with the dark ages, the 80's Oh my god, just ridiculous.
I'm glad more ERs are becoming aware of sepsis. When I told the triage nurse that I'd been diagnosed with flu and possible pneumonia (with asthma-COPD) four days ago then suddenly felt worse and convinced I needed help *now*, half an hour ago, I was pushed to the top of the queue of an overflowing ER in the midst of peak flu season. I was admitted with: acute respiratory distress, hypoxemia, influenza, pneumonia, and sepsis with multiple organ dysfunction. The thing that impressed me was that I couldn't adequately describe why I felt worse, just that I did and I was soooo tired.
I love the fact that you didn’t dramatize every other word. You spoke clearly and concisely. You did emphasize some important points and facts. No dramatic pauses and changes in focus. This is 1st video of yours I have seen. New subscriber. Good job on horrendous content. My prayers for the family.
In Australia, we have Ryan’s Rule, and as of this weekend I had never met anyone who had used it. But when it’s used correctly, it’s an absolutely vital rule to have!
@@lemurtherainwing6660 not all states but def QLD. Need to advise nurse in charge or Dr not happy with care or have concerns, if not addressed properly,then they call a Ryan's rule, this gets the pollies involved who call the head honcho dr's to instigate review from top down, though apparently don't have to review but do have to report to gov directly. Not sure if it works in private hospital ad you must be an admitted patient, this can include in the emergency department, but not an outpatient etc.
I'm 50 and I have had only met 1 caring GP and 1 caring consultant , 1 caring midwife. I have a chronic illness , I've had 2 children and had the usual random illnesses and odd hospital stay, so I've had the misfortune to meet many uncaring and dismissive "professionals " most of whom are middle aged men so should know better.
Absolutely. I was just in the ER with norovirus and dehydrated. I literally went to the ER for dehydration and they weren't giving me fluids. I had to beg and plead and then they acted like I was inconveniencing them. No one would come when I would press the call light. I had to stumble to the bathroom and I ended up having a bathroom accident in the hospital bed. These people are downright evil.
Well, what kind of character traits attract a person to a profession where they're assumed to be in the right and have power over those who are suffering?
this case is so frustrating. Martha suffered for so long and was clearly doing unwell. It’s so weird that in the medical field they weren’t more cautious, especially a child. Poor Martha, she should’ve lived. Thank you for discussing her story
Horrible yes, but honestly not weird at all in the UK tbh. My brother was dying in my dad's arms but the hospital just said they won't send an ambulance because the hospital he needs to go to is far from where he lived. Had to get a taxi to the hospital to save him
I am blown away by your presentation of this tragic case. Yes, death due to medical egos, and parents stupified by having trusted medical professionals. Fortunately, not all doctors and nurses are so ignorant. At the core of the problem : being away from home and one's usual attending physician. But modern medical care takes it's organization (so as to be profitable) from the factory model. My mother and my grandmother were both exceptional nurses (but that was years ago) and raised me to NEVER trust a doctor without a second (even a third) opinion. Thank you for your hard work on behalf of the victims in this case, and all the others like them.
Thank you for opening with a much needed deep dive into Martha’s humanity - her friends, her family, her interests, and joy. You could have easily said “her smile lit up the room” and went into the case, but instead, you allowed us to learn her story. I really appreciated that. That this isn’t just a policy and procedure issue, it was a dismissal of Martha’s humanity. That she knew herself and looked to medical experts for help to return to herself.
This is horrible! That poor girl. 💔 My father died of sepsis, too. Same thing - put him under sedation to be incubated and he never woke up. He also said he knew he was going to die. "I'm not getting out of this one. I feel it." I will never forget that. It was horrific to see it happen to my dad, I can't imagine a child! And especially with all this clear medical neglect. Just heartbreaking.
My grandfather in law ultimately passed away from a sepsis infection back in January. A spinal surgery ended up leaving him with a perforated bowel, and by the time they caught it, it was too late. Seeing a family member literally fall apart in front of you is absolutely heartbreaking. Rest in peace Martha 🫶🏼 You deserved so much better care than you received.
We lost a close family friend from a bowel perforation from a bladder tack. They discharged her despite troubling symptoms and she passed away the night she came home.
My dad died from sepsis after he developed a perforation in his bowel too. Can't imagine how bad it was before he died, hearing all of this stuff makes me feel so bad for anyone who dies that way.
When my dad was in the hospital I felt like the nurse was not listening to my concerns. She said she had other patients and she would stop in shortly and check on him. His O2 sat was decreasing, his pulse was increasing and he said he felt like an elephant was sitting on him. The hospital had just implemented Rapid Response, i called the number and a team was there in no time, he was transferred to the ICU for a PE. Had i not called he most likely would have died! I get it, they are short staffed and overworked but still....
The last sentence, exactly. Your dad is so lucky to have you and to have had you there. ❤ I worry about patients in condition similar to your dad’s who don’t have someone with them that can advocate for them.
You dont know how much stress nurses are in. There are a lot of task to be completed for a lot of patients in that ward. So sometimes, you might simply be unaware of a specific patient. That's why we always advice to have a relative with them because they know them best and if something happens they can alert us. If the sat was never under 85% he was not at risk of dying. It could have been going down, then she should have check a second time and see she was in need and call the doctor. Usually with a patient like this I would have a ring under by ear and check on him every time I could and if it didnt improve with O2 masks, I would have called the doctor. At least that's how we do it here.
@@Alejojojo6i literally don’t care. You can be stressed all you want. Letting patients die because you are inconvenienced is unacceptable. Everyone needs to do better instead of making excuses. And that doesn’t just go for nurses that goes to the government who made the system so unfair.
@@Ishouldnthavebeensopublic exactly!! Wtf is this person talking about?? Not him victim blaming and making excuses for these evil doctors! What a nasty creature!!
Sepsis is absolutely terrifying. I had a severe case of sepsis due to a small bowel perforation from a colectomy in November of 2023. I told doctors for several days something wasn’t right and ended up completely coding and had to be resuscitated. I’m so lucky to be alive and I’m still recovering from all of the physical and mental trauma. I can only imagine the pain and suffering poor Martha went through and the heartbreak her family feels. If doctors actually listened to their patients so many cases like this could be prevented
I greatly appreciate you taking the time at the beginning to paint more of a picture of who Martha was as a person. Often in stories like these it's easy to just look at the facts of the case and forget that this was a real full person with quirks and interests and hopes for the future, who lost her entire life and future at such a young age. Thank you for honoring her memory.
Martha was only 3 years younger than me, and I really relate to her and see myself in her. My heart breaks for her and her family. I’m so grateful that my mother has advocated for my chronic condition. The way this poor girl was failed by these medical professionals absolutely kills me.
That's mad, I had appendicitis and after the operation, I got sepsis. I was a similar age to Martha at the time and it was the NHS. It only took one blood test to confirm my early sepsis and I couldn't remember it even being that ill, I was just in powerful antibiotics and had a blood bag. I guess I was incredibly lucky that NHS staff that felt with me were professional.
I'm on the side of veterinary medicine and immediately upon listening low temp with diarrhea and lymphagitis (the red lines) my first thought was septicemia. Either none of the people treating her should've gotten licenses to practice or they had some kind of malicious intent.
I think that’s the thing with these medical facilities and their pros ….the neglect I’ve witnessed at the local hospital first had with an elderly friend who had copd….what I witnessed would have gotten them all fired and sued when I worked there in 2005! I am never going to the hospital for any reason ….this is a cult thing….has to be
@DrDolphina yeah, I really wish they'd picked a different word to describe PDF files. 😔 And it doesn't get any better when I tell folks that I shave pụśṣy for a living 😆
this story makes me nauseous, i had an infection after internal bleeding a few months ago and it was so painful so i cant even imagine the pain that poor girl was in.
Something like this is currently happening to me. A mass was found in my heart back in April, I’ve had 4 MRIs and 5 CTs and they still don’t know what it is but refuse to do anything else and just say to wait it out. Even though it’s impacting blood flow and makes it hard for me to breathe, they consider me “stable” so they’re not worried about it. All the doctors have been dismissive and one even told me to stop being anxious and to “just breathe” Children deserve better treatment and care. I feel for Martha and wish her family the best ❤
I'm British and my families experience with the NHS has been horrible. My mother would often go to the doctor experiencing psychosis and would be told she was being dramatic. After my sister's suicide attempt where they pumped her stomach, she was left alone for five hours before being discharged despite still being a danger to herself. I have been battling chronic pain and mental health issues for years and recently when I requested my health records, I discovered I had never been diagnosed with anything, not even anxiety and depression which I've been taken medication for for years. The system is so fucked, especially to women and AFAB people who aren't believed until they have chronic health issues as a result of underdiagnosis and misdiagnosis or even worse, in this case, when they're dead. My friend's mother went to the doctors multiple times with chest and neck pain before her fatal heart attack and they just chalked it up to anxiety 😔 the NHS has suffered under decades of austerity and needs a serious revamp and emergency funding plus they need to tackle the medical misogyny issues.
Medical misogyny is so rampant it's crazy. I'm so sorry for your experiences and I hope you were all able to somewhat recover. Unfortunately it's not any better in the US and I completely understand your struggle. I had a rare benign tumor on the roof of my mouth for as long as I can remember (it's not actually rare, just rare in children) but I also saw an orthodontist at least once every month because of jaw issues I've had since birth. There was a completely unmissable bump (at least 2 in x 2 in, probably raised abt 1 in) from the tumor on the roof of my mouth for years and years and no one at that office ever brought it up. Not even like asking "hey what's that bump on the roof of your mouth?", so I thought it was normal of course because I was 8 fucking years old.💀 It was only brought to my attention when I was at the ER for other issues and the nurse asked what it was. So by the time I had the tumor removed at 12 y/o it had completely eroded away all of the bone on the roof of my mouth and I now have a giant hole that leads into my sinuses that has cost thousands and thousands of dollars to manage (for a custom appliance that covers the hole so food and drink doesn't get in it, and yet it still doesn't work). If that had been a cancerous tumor I would have been dead before anyone even told me about it. Doctors and nurses really don't give a fuck about patients at all and just want you out of their office so they can go home and put their feet up, lol. And then after those types of experiences they get mad at you for doing your own research and self advocacy as an adult...😐 Anyway I hope you're doing well, lol. Couldn't help but rant abt my experiences as well
thats such a horrifying case, to just be told over and over that theres nothing to worry about when the doctors are hiding symptoms and updates behind your back?? id be so afraid of that happening here in the states too😢
The UK healthcare system is in a state of collapse at the moment, you can only really get emergency treatment in a lot of places since covid everything else there is years and years long waiting lists. There is a joke here where someone says like "I've got diabetes" and the other replies "oh diabetes? Do we still do that?" Like as in, do we still treat that... Lol...
As someone who both works with the NHS in a clinical role and a person who’s heath issues have been dismissed, stories like this are all too common. The NHS is a crumbling system that is being torn apart by the current government and it’s so frustrating to watch.
So many governments are at an all-time low in terms of serving its people. I fear we're going to have to fight hard to make things better. It really is looking dire out there.
Similar with OHIP. Ontario Healthcare. I'm from the UK, now living in Ontario, Canada for many years, both were excellent healthcare systems at one time. Sad to see them stressed and collapsing. I've had issues here, I no longer trust I'll be treated appropriately as I'm in a very busy, overburdened area. My mother was misdiagnosed in England, lost precious time and is no longer with us. Best wishes to all, hoping for improvement to these once magnificent institutions.
@@margaretr5701 It's even worse in the US - not only do you get all that, but also they charge you into debt as well (even with decent insurance and don't even get me started on the insurance death panels that routinely deny claims, confusing their bottom line with actual medical diagnosis from actual doctors).
I live in the US. I have been on Medicare for 10 years, with a supplemental insurance. My dental bills have been high, about $1,000, but all my tests and procedures that I have had for 10 years have had co-pays totaling under $500. I have had biopsies, etc. I have no complaints so far. But I do worry about having my symptoms not being taken seriously. After having abdominal pains for a considerable period of time, I was given an abdominal CT. I asked my physician if it could miss anything and she assured me, “no”. Still not convinced, but I am a hypochondriac!
No matter how many times I watch a video about Martha, it will never fail to be absolutely insane to me. I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around the gross neglect of this little girl. The dismissal of Martha and the concerns of her family infuriates me to no end, especially as a mother to a daughter the same age as Martha. Martha’s parents lost their child for no reason other than incompetence and ego.
I'm an ex nurse, from QLD Australia. I was watching this video thinking I must tell her about Ryan's Rule at the end (before you mentioned it). I'm heartbroken for Martha and her family 😢. There were SO MANY missed opportunities to save her life; starting right back at the bleeding / fever and 'medium' score. I'm surprised they laid so much blame on the utility of the PEWS. These types of charts are VERY easy to use. They're practically idiotproof! I used to work in critical care and be involved when these types of reviews were called for. The instances of the system being abused were astonishingly rare. That poor family, they'll never be the same and poor Martha; what a terrifying and painful way to die! Shame on her whole care team
This almost happened to me except they kept telling me my symptoms were psychological up until I was crawling on the floor soaked in my own urine. A test came back in time from 1 of 5 visits I made to the er to come back that said I was nearly septic. I’m now terrified of doctors and hospitals especially. I didn’t just get a second opinion. I was seen 5 times in 3 days.
As someone who's experienced sepsis (going into septic shock), this was absolutely horrifying to hear. That poor girl. She deserved so much better. *So* much better. I'm glad a law is being rolled out, but it’s utterly tragic how long it took, and will take, something so life-saving to be implemented into hospitals. Thank you for making these videos and shedding light on these patients' tragic experiences. They are very eye-opening. I've had my own vast difficulties with the medical system as someone with a chronic illness, so I'm glad these people can be remembered and stand as beacons for the continuing of standing up for oneself against medical professionals.
Unconscionable. Unethical. Unacceptable. RIP dear Martha & prayers of love & healing for your heartbroken family & friends. This should NEVER have happened 😓🙏🙏💜
I have been to this Hospital many times, and others within the King's trust. They are considered one of the best and biggest in south London. The NHS is on its knees. Being a patient or advocate feels like such a fight. It's exhausting, and so many people give up and get sicker or die on a waitlist. There are so many points Martha's life could have been saved. Wholly preventable death. I know of too many people who have died of sepsis; another young girl died a couple years back from abdominal sepsis in South London, because they didn't believe her and acted too late. I had sepsis in 2017 at 20 years old and ended up at King's; they're the ones that finally got me treated after visiting 2 other South London hospitals. It is very upsetting to hear things like this happening within local Hospitals. However, stories like this are not shocking to anyone who relies on the NHS; most of us have heard other stories like this. More and more people are being forced to turn to private healthcare to see the same doctors they would see on the NHS, but skip the wait list. Or travel to the EU for second, third opinions and surgeries, especially for rarer conditions. Communication is for sure the number one issue between patients and staff, as well as communication within different departments and hospitals. It's genuinely awful; every day, you hear the admin staff complaining about the outdated computer systems or that the new system is horrible. And there's no one shared system, so St Thomas' won't be able to see my King's files for example. Being an NHS employee is very difficult (I am not one but have friends who are), so many staff members are burning out and going private or leaving healthcare altogether. Most of them are barely earning enough to get by. I know NHS staff who have been homeless and still turning up to work. Jaded, older staff will tell newer staff to NOT be empathetic, new staff get fired for trying to change things for the better. Some long term staff are totally desensitized which grossly impacts patient care. NHS staff NEED more support (more access to counselling, funds, childcare support etc.), new staff need better and longer training, they're thrown in the deep end without a raft and that can be terrifying as peoples lives are on the line. A&E is the front lines, hardcore work. GP surgeries are getting worse and worse, Doctors and patients are losing hope at this point. Could rant all day long. God save the NHS. (Please remember that although the NHS is free at point of access, we pay a lot of taxes that go towards our healthcare, which our government decide to keep cutting for the rich, and giving themselves bonuses and raises whilst cutting funding to vital NHS improvements)
This case hit me practicularly hard. When I was younger, I was diagnosed with a certain type of tumor after A LOT of fighting with the doctors to take my constant pain seriously. I was way out of the usual age range of the tumour and it took seeing many specialists and doctors for them to realize what was going on and start treating me. They tried doing a heat ablation (basically burning the tumor) TWICE but it failed both times which apparently is extremely rare for it to fail even once, but as you can imagine, the doctors didn't believe us when we returned and tried to tell them I was still screaming in pain every night because it was still there. They said it was just phantom pain and it would go away, and they literally called my mother delusional and tested her for munchausen by proxy, when she was the only one who kept fighting for me. It took her threathening with lawsuits for them to run the tests on me again which showed that we were, infact, not making it up. They finally did a surgery and removed the tumour but they also had to take a big part of my bone with it since it had spread so much over the FOUR YEARS doctors were ignoring us. Now, over five years later, I still can't walk properly because theres bone missing from my leg and I go to physical therapy three times a week just to be able to live as normally as I can. It's hell, and I'll never recover fully. And I was lucky af. If the tumor had been cancerous, I wouldn't be writing this now. This might have been averted if the doctors had just listened... Which brings me to Martha. She was born the same year I was and her interests and aspirations mirrored mine, and my heart breaks for her and her family. She could have been my classmate, she could have been me, she should be alive still. I can only hope that this law is able to change things and lessen these things from happening. Rest in peace, dear Martha ❤🕊
You'd think they'd be able to just measure, 3-D print and implant the missing pieces of bone, but apparently they only do that for useless animals that people feel sorry for. It's not right.
@@AnotherWittyUsername. What??? If someone puts a 3D printed part in the body, it'll trigger the body to attack it. That would never work?? What are you reading where this happened?? Edit: I suppose I should add, there are titanium and cobalt alloy parts added to bones (screws, splints, metal hips) but titanium and cobalt alloys are used for a reason. Not simple 3D printed plastic parts.
@@danmeifan I googled it. It is being done by a company called Ossiform and many other companies like it. Medical science and technology grows by leaps and bounds every day. As for triggering the body to attack it, we've been transplanting hearts for 55+ years now (Since 1967). I'm sure doctors can figure out how to avoid rejection.
i kept getting excited and telling my partner every time i heard a welsh place name pronounced correctly. it’s actually so nice (and rare) to hear from non-welsh people!
Hi, polish viewer here, this case reminds me of the situation in Poland (the lack of doctor intervention). Due to the severe abortion restrictions patients die while doctors do nothing. I would love for someone like you to document it, but I must admit that the language barrier must be a lot.
I'm sorry your country is also experiencing such an attack on women. :( It's very sad, and a huge defeat to have lost RvW. I hope it gets better for yours and mine. Love from DC.
@@jbeauty4150 this has happened in the US too, and it happens because there are some circumstances in which a pregnancy can become life-threatening to the mother, but because of abortion restrictions doctors are not allowed or are perhaps just too paranoid to act (remove the fetus) until it's already too late (ie baby has died inside the mother)
This is exactly why I will create all kinds of ruckus when it comes to my health, when doctors do not listen to me. Best advice I ever got was from my family doctor, may he rest in peace, when he told me be sure you are always a loud advocate for your own health care. Even though you're not a doctor you know when something is not right with your body. Did a fantastic job on this, and I just now seeing your channel pop up in my recommendations. You got yourself a new subscriber. Keep doing what you do!!!
I like how you start with little eulogies for the people in your videos. Focusing on the people and the brightness they brought to the world instead of just discussing the bad thing that happened to them.
god this case is so, so upsetting :(. this all totally could've been avoided if the medical team listened to the family and took them seriously and shared the information they knew
Immediately saved and so looking forward to playing this the second I get up for work tomorrow! Thank you so much for telling these stories. No one is doing it like you!!!
I nearly died from severe anemia because my Dr did not make me aware that my Ferratin level had been low for some time. By the time I was admitted to the hospital because I could not breathe,with a hemoglobin level of 5. Normal is 13.7 for me. My Dr just kept telling me it was my childhood asthma resurfacing. I spent 4 days in the hospital and had 2 blood transfusions and iron infusions. Did some procedures but could not figure out why I was so low on blood. This was June 2023. It is now nearly April 2024 and I am getting iron infusions 2 times per week and they are “hoping” my body will retain the iron after my 6th infusion. They still don’t know why I cannot absorb any iron from food or supplements. I’m in the USA.
Get scans. If you are not maintaining iron levels with that many iron infusions you are bleeding from somewhere. With 6 infusions in 12 months it is more than just not absorbing from food intake
@@S-rk3zs I have a haital hernia but it gwas found to not be bleeding. They think it may be an issue with my bone marrow but trying the infusions first
there are transdermal vitamin patches. patchaid makes the iron ones. this might help your body absorb bc it bypasses the gut. i would recommend putting on more than one patch! they are actually very affordable.
I fell the exact same way on the naked metal handlebar of my bike when I as 10. I was on the of a dirt pile so the fall was pretty significant. I was in so much pain that I couldn't talk or even form thoughts. For 2 hours I laid unmoving on the couch. When my came home she took one look at me, rolled her eyes and said "what now?" Completely annoyed cause I ran with the boys and I was always getting banged up. She came over to me, lifted my shirt "Sucks to be you. Can you breathe?" Barely. "You're not gonna die then" I felt like I was actually dying. Dismissed. This was the late 80s and medical insurance was for rich people and if you even had it, the deductibles were insane. So for a family barely riding the poverty line, that was never gonna happen. I thought I was dying for days. To this day where my ribs end at my sternum grind together. Its really unsettling so I try to avoid that for sure. Whew that poor girl.
I've been ill for about 6 months and NO doctor takes me serious. Thank you for your channel. ❤ Very smart as you're the only channel i know of that does damage by doctors.
I’m SO glad you’re feeling good enough to post again. I can only imagine how much work and energy it takes to not only research / record these videos, but then edit / insert B roll etc, all prior to uploading. You’re a total warrior for being able to do that whilst also fighting your own battle. You’re doing a phenomenal job my friend. Thank you for your hard work and dedication !!!
Gave her medication after a trauma Injury without checking her out . Any person that knows about the human body know that anything related to the pancreas is extremely serious this shouldn’t have happened they were not prepared in any way for what was about to happen 🥺😞
@@CatMom-uw9jl Yeah, severe abdominal pain after a blow to the abdomen is a huge red flag for internal bleeding. Blood is not supposed to be free in your abdomen, and your organs REALLY don’t like being around blood, severe pain is the typical response to that. I’d have been in the ER already if the severity of the pain didn’t subside within half an hour.
Thank you for bringing light to this. I’ve worked in healthcare for years and to this day my biggest piece of advice for my patients is: ALWAYS, ALWAYS ADVOCATE FOR YOURSELF. SPEAK UP!!!
Petal....I just scrolled onto your video and was moved to tell you that, though I regularly listen/watch 5 other true crime hosts, you are the only one who speaks with perfect grammar. What a treat for me! I will definitely watch more of your videos. You tell the story thoroughly and with easy to follow verbage. Thanks!
Could I just mention how your channel is the greatest !!! As an old retired cardiac nurse here. I so miss working. For some reason, this has filled a void that retirement caused. I'm a medical nerd. Also, you are such a lovely person. I enjoy watching you as you seem like someone who I would love to hang out with.❤❤❤
You're really good at taking us through each hour, really putting us into the family's shoes, as the court case would have gone. It's harrowing to wonder throughout watching if the doctors met justice.
Not Welsh but as someone who has learnt Gaeilge (irish) i was impressed with your handling of Welsh place names! Well done! The quality of your research shows. Bless you Ms Palmer, these videos are so beautifully made ❤
I've had one female family member almost killed and many others killed by our hospital due to not testing and guessing diagnoses. No clue how it hasn't been shut down with all the complaints over the years.
The hospital tried to send my niece home while she was dying, my sister fought and they allowed her to stay, but didn't do much to she was almost dead. They flew her to Denver children's hospital and they diagnosed her within minutes and treated her within hours. Saved her life but because of the delay she lost function in both kidneys and required a transplant. It's insane to ignore a child's symptoms like that
This is a really good video so please don't be offended as I have one very minor correction. A junior doctor is not a medical student. Junior doctors are actually licensed practicing doctors with the most junior being FY1 who is freshly graduated from medical school to any of the early specialty training doctors who have had between 2-5 years. They are definitely not students.
Definitely not offended - thank you for the correction! I’ll be sure to pin your comment to clarify and correct that mistake
Interns are also called Junior drs in some countries.
I was going to say this. The video is excellent and about a different medical system so getting confused by the bizarre behemoth that is the nhs.
I think that any doctor up to the level of Consultant is technically considered a Junior Doctor, at least in the NHS in England, especially as you said the 'Junior' Dr Blunder was promoted to Consultant after the incident, and in the chart you showed with the various rankings of junior doctors even an SpR or an SHO is technically a junior doctor.
@@PetalPalmerI LOVE YOUR CHANNEL ❤ KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK🙏🏽
This happened to my daughter. She went to the ER with Bone pain. She was given Tylenol and sent home. She didn't feel better and returned to the ER. They put her in the waiting room. She waited for 6 hours and collapsed on the waiting area floor. I was called to come to the hospital 8 minutes before my daughter died. This happened in Canada. There will be a Coroner's Inquest to investigate the circumstances and investigate why she wasn't treated. She had a treatable infection and should still be here. I miss my daughter.
I am so sorry that happened to you and your family. I know nothing can replace your daughter or dull that ache, but just know that your story has reached at least 1 person studying nursing. I personally look into these cases because I want to know what I can do to prevent it in my practice, and how to educate other medical professionals about these situations and what led to them. That would be much harder to do without the brave loved ones such as yourself speaking out with their stories. I hope the inquest is able to get to the bottom of your daughters case and make the appropriate recommendations and repercussions.
I am so sorry for your loss.
I hope these doctors who dismissed you will be called to justice.
As a Canadian grad student in public health, I will be wholeheartedly supporting you and your family when the investigation unfolds. May your daughter’s memories remain untouched and happy
I am so sorry for your loss. Sending some love your way
does Canada have a Martha's mandate yet? I'm so sorry for your loss (I know hollow words) but maybe you can leave her a legacy.
I work in animal medicine. I cannot believe how quickly our team can detect sepsis even with a patient cannot speak to us. This is unacceptable
Shivering despite HIGH fever, diarrhea, no appetite, purple noses, It's so fucking easy. SO easy. And they cannot even TALK. I'd be murderous....
They knew she had sepsis. They just didn't want to treat her for some reason. I don't know why.
@@catpoke9557Because they wanted to take a long weekend 😐
I work in animal medicine and we actually look at our patients when they come in for an abdominal injury.
I've always said that I'd rather go to a Vet than a regular MD. That's the truth.
How the actual fuck can you look at a parent who has just watched their child collapse and have a seizure and tell them "pull yourself together". What the actual fuck
That should get you fired on the spot.
Typical British tone policing
I'm an English person I've been in NHS hospital treatment and sadly I can imagine a medical employee saying that. Some hospitals feel more like prisons, it's down to luck if you get a kind person or not so kind person looking after you
Had a medical professional in the UK tell me to "stop feeling sorry for yourself" lol
Nurses are notoriously bitchy.
I started getting sick at 13. I was dismissed as a defiant teenager, diagnosed with oppositional defiance disorder, then clinical depression, then bipolar (because I explained I sometimes feel sick and then go back to feeling fine which apparently translates to “depression then mania”) visited multiple doctors to discuss my extreme fatigue, photosensitivity, joint pain, hairloss, freezing hands and feet, swollen legs and rashes. I eventually got a journal and documented all my symptoms AND took photos of my rashes and BLUE hands and feet. I was told to get a handle on my mental illness and it would go away. I was also accused of hypochondria and told “I’m sure you think you’re sick, but I think you’re so worried about being sick that you’ve convinced yourself you’re sick, but you’re not.” I had issues staying in school and had to homeschool and then get my GED, did college online and still struggled with the fatigue. Couldn’t keep a job because I had too many sick days.
I was 26 and post partum before I finally had somebody take me seriously; I felt GREAT during my pregnancy, but after giving birth, my illness came back. This was a red flag for my OBGYN who said autoimmune diseases often go into remission during pregnancy, and my symptoms did sound like they could be an autoimmune disease. She ran a lot of tests and I was referred to a rheumatologist and endocrinologist. I have Lupus and hashimotos. Was diagnosed at nearly 28.
I also have Hashimoto's. I knew you had an autoimmune disease just from reading your symptom list
The rash clued me into possible lupus, and I was right. The cold hands and feet are something I also have with my Hashimoto's
@@anerdygoldenagesoprano when people on TH-cam can diagnose you faster than doctors 😂
Funny enough, one of my friends who has a sister with lupus actually told me long before my diagnosis that I sounded like I had lupus. I just don’t understand why so many of us can easily figure it out but doctors don’t bother to even try. It’s such a shame.
@@user-xz6bp9eq9p I want to be a pharmacist and I watched too much House growing up LOL
If you can find my comment, it's a similar story. Docs don't give a shit about genetic disorders and autoimmune diseases. Chronically ill people don't seem to matter to them
Oh man I'm so sorry you went through that. I have lupus and my story is very different. However I didn't get diagnosed until last year.
thats actually crazy i cant believe the amount of doctors that will so easily dismiss patients
I had terrible back and abdominal pain for years. Every time I went to the hospital, they’d just tell me they weren’t going to give me any opioids and send me home with prescription strength Tylenol, which did absolutely nothing. At least, they did until the last time, when I showed up vomiting black gunk, screaming any time anyone tried to touch my upper stomach, and with a high fever and crashing blood pressure. My gallbladder had finally tore after five years of being full of gallstones and sludge. I’m lucky to be alive. I can’t help but resent the doctors who treated me like a drug addict even though I was in terrible pain for years. I’m better now, but it left psychological scars. I guess I’m one of the lucky ones though. I actually survived.
That's so awful, I'm so sorry you dealt with that ordeal.
Please tell me you sued them for neglect, or they got some retaliation. Too many hospitals get away with this stuff!
OMG. You poor thing. You were truly suffering and needed real pain control. How awful!!! They should have done an ultrasound the first time you went in!!!!!
healthcare workers despise addicts so much they're willing to let random people suffer for no reason (not that someone being an addict IS a reason to let them suffer) out of an irrational fear that they MIGHT be addicts
I’m so sorry. This is so common. Doctors really should be in trouble for their refusal to provide opioids point blank- ESP in a hospital setting where there is literally ZIP possibility of it being misdirected and misused. They are all trying to never write anything controlled. The only way to get any type of level revenge on them is to file complaints about the hospital and individual doctor(s). This will at least cause them stress and strain- at best they can be disciplined. It’s also free and much easier than a malpractice suit and lets them know that their refusal to care actually gets them in trouble
@@GiselleKlarait's really horrible how many people have had to suffer because of this new phase of the war on drugs. Instead of scaring moms and dads about it propaganda has turned to scaring doctors.
And it's had serious consequences.
This story hits so close to home…my daughter started having severe stomach pains, I immediately contacted her pediatrician and she was checked out and send home with a case of food poisoning. He told me that she could take ibuprofen for the pain as well as pepto and tums, but after 3 days of this and her condition getting worse and not better I again spoke with her doctor. He didnt even see her just had a phone consultation and dismissed her as if she was lying to not have to go to school. But my gut told me that something was wrong and that night I took her to the children’s hospital. Come to find out that she had severe pancreatitis and because her pediatrician just dismissed her and I for several days, her organ was damaged and no longer able to regulate her blood sugar levels with the needed enzymes. She is now a type 1 diabetec and insulin dependent, but handles it like a rockstar 😊So…we took him to court and were able to get a judgement against him for negligence as well as assuring he would never be able to do this to any other child. The judge in the case called it “white coat complex”, so always trust your instincts.❤
This is such a disturbing story! How can you diagnose someone over the phone?! Now she has a lifelong medical condition due to medical neglect.
@@757Princessunfortunately since Covid consultants feel like they don’t need to see someone in person. I can’t tell you how much my appointments now start with a phone call when before Covid they would actually see me in person.
The problem is many of us don’t have those gut instincts.
This is absolutely a white coat complex. They think they are better than you and know how the body works, they don’t. It is your body and you know how you feel and you and your daughter both knew how she felt. I am so pleased your negligence judgement was upheld. Lots of love to you and your daughter ❤❤❤❤
Wow didn't expect that ending happy you got justice and prevented him from doing this to anyone else I hope doctors learn from these cases and don't end up resenting the patient
Really infuriating when doctors say "don't look your symptoms/illnesses up on the internet" or "dr. internet is full of misinformation" to dismiss their patients' concerns. The patient may not be a medical professional but they know their symptoms the best. Often seems like an ego issue, especially if the doctor's knowledge is outdated or incomplete.
I've seen doctors give out misinformation much more often than I've seen people misdiagnose themselves because of the internet. Both happen but the state of medical knowledge is nowhere near accurate enough to warrant adequate trust in medical professionals. Don't even get me started on the horror show that is psychiatry.
i always come to the dr with various articles i’ve read and my dr has never said anything beyond providing further context or explaining why it’s not a good source. never w judgement
I was told this a frightening number of times during the early stages of my husband's battle with acute Leukemia. Now I wish I had, maybe he wouldn't be paralyzed today.
Or at least, take time to explain why these signs don’t indicate sepsis or what your plan is if an infection turns septic. Just saying ‘I went to medical school’ doesn’t allay someone’s fears
It's absolutely an ego issue. I understand that *some* doctors may regularly deal with patients who misdiagnose themselves based on vague descriptions of something online -- but in most cases, what's the worst that comes of that? The patient has their fears allayed and is fine. More often, it's something less serious that gets taken care of. And once in a while, they get help they wouldn't have otherwise.
I regularly have to educate doctors and nurses about my own medical conditions. Including things that are pretty common, but involve an areas of medicine that (apparently) aren't as well studied as they should be. If they haven't heard of it, they expect me to be able to explain it to them in detail. At the same time -- I have to be incredibly careful not to use "medical language", because many professionals will discount information from patients if they sound TOO educated.
I've had multiple doctors & nurse practitioners REMOVE previous diagnoses from my files, of conditions they were unfamiliar with, because they decided I had just... .. read about it online and was just parroting information? I guess?
Likewise, my partner's SKIN CANCER was misdiagnosed as a cherry angioma because an interning nurse practitioner (with no dermatology experience) decided that knowing more about dermatology than his patient was the hill he wanted (his patient) to die on. He "proved" his diagnosis by... doing a google image search of cherry angiomas. They looked nothing alike. He refused to consider other possibilities. It was a great time. We had to go to a different clinic the next day.
ANYONE should be entitled to a second opinion no matter what.
Agreed 100%
Agreed.
My family and I were talking to an oncologist when I was 15. We said we wanted to get a second opinion before starting 7 months of intensive chemotherapy. She said “I don’t advise that”, but couldn’t legally stop us. But what she could do, and as we found out the hard way ended up doing, was call CPS on us
Everything ended up fine and the case was closed after 45 days, but we’re still a bit mad at the doctor
@@Im-spicy-sad I’m sorry you went through that
@@mokithegay6020 thank you, thankfully things are better now
We found a new doctor that actually cares about me, and it’s now a joke among my family and friends
I thought you were? Am I wrong that before this you couldn’t get a second opinion?
I’m a nursing student right now and I usually try to avoid sad stories like this but I felt like watching this one was necessary so I can remember to always take what my patients say seriously
Same here I cant even imagine being so heartless its all about the money to these people😢
Please do your best for people, we need good and attentive nurses ❤
That’s why I watched it also. As infuriating as some families can be (because of their delivery), it’s still our job to take their concerns seriously. It sounds like these professionals were more concerned with keeping the parents calm than with the health & well-being of their patient. Unfortunate.
I'm studying to hopefully get into nursing school, and one thing that I'll make damn sure of is to be an advocate for patients and their families! If something doesn't set right with you, please tell me and I'll make sure that you are heard and listened to! Martha's unthinkable death could very well have been prevented if someone had listened to her mother's concerns! All parents, children, patients, and people, should be listened to and advocated for!
My mom, when she was a child, also fell on the bike with the handle ramming into her stomach. She went on thinking the pain was normal for having fallen of the bike. In the evening my grandpa found her on the couch almost unconscious and hurried her to the hospital. Turns out she had internal bleeding and wouldn’t have survived the night without doctor intervention. To think that she might not have been taken serious, is horrifying
When I was 14 I got a headache one day in class. I went to the nurse and after some ibuprofen didn't fix it, I was sent home. It was worse the next day and I stayed home from school, the next day it was worse still, a slowly mounting pain in my head, focused behind my eyes, I was having to take copious amounts of over the counter pain killers to help. I spiked a low fever. I went to my pediatrician and she gave me a referral for an eye doctor, but she didn't think it was that big a deal. The eye doctor looked in my eyes and seemed concerned. She told my parents she didn't know what was wrong, it wasn't the eyes themselves, but they weren't dilating properly, she was concerned I was having a stroke, a blockage in the vessels leading to my eyes so she gave me a referral to a neurologist. I never made it to that neurology appointment, it was the next evening but the next morning when I woke up the right side of my face was swollen, red and purple, and looked like it had a ping pong ball resting on it. My mom said I couldn't wait for the neurologist and took me to the ER. A young newly graduated doctor took a look, he sent me for a scan. The scan came back and he looked at it, he thought I was having an allergic reaction to something and almost sent me home with antihistamines and pain killers, but just in case he said "let me ask the attending to double check your scan, I think he's on his way out, I'm gonna see if I can catch him". A bit later the attending walked in with the new doctor, he had on his winter coat, gloves, hat, scarf, carrying his bag, it was mid February and he was ready to go home after a 12 hours shift. He smiled at me and looked at my scan. His smile vanished. He looked at the new doctor, he looked at me, he looked at my parents, he looked back at the scan. He left the room and came back with a text book, thumbing through the pages. He stopped and read something, and put the book down. He said to me "I'm very glad you're here, you need surgery, right now. We're going to clear an OR for you and I'm going to stay to do your surgery" he turned to leave the room and motioned for the new doctor to follow him. He started at a whisper out in the hall and his voice slowly got louder until I could hear him tearing apart the new doctor "What do you mean you didn't see anything??? Look at her scan! This is all infected! This right here, this is all pus! You were gonna send her home? You would've killed that girl!" We found out I had a relatively rare type of infection called orbital cellulitis. The ping pong ball on my face was my eye being forced from its socket by the growing abscess. The swelling was my body's desperate response to keep it in. It was told if we'd come in literally minutes later, we would've missed that attending doctor and I would've lost the eye because he was the only one qualified nearby, they would have had to have air lifted me to the next person and the eye wouldn't have made it that long. Had I been sent home and tried to push through the pain, I'd likely have been dead that night. I spent two weeks recovering in the ICU. I was bounced from doctor to doctor with most not taking it very seriously, I could've ended with the same fate as this poor girl. I'm so lucky I finally saw someone who listened just in time. I can only hope she's at peace.
This is horrible, I'm so sorry you had to deal with that illness. From an internet stranger, I'm grateful that you were able to get life saving treatment and kept your sight ❤️🩹❤️🩹
I'm so glad a doctor finally actually did his job for you 😢 glad you're ok!
You should also thank your mom for trusting her instincts and rushing you to the ER
Hell I would have bought that doctor a nice gift card or something. One hell of a dude!
I have had so many relatives with cellulitis that doctors missed! First they don’t seem to recognize it and then they don’t treat it aggressively enough when they finally figure it out. My uncle would have lost his leg and possibly his life if not for my mom who herself is a doctor yelling at his doctor as to the correct treatment. I had an er doctor tell me that my 95 year old grandmother didn’t have cellulitis in her leg (she had already been diagnosed as having it) that her leg was red because it had blood vessels in it. I’m sitting there thinking (on Christmas Eve no less) hmm she has two legs they both have blood vessels in them but only one leg is red - you do the math doc! I’m only a doctors daughter but sadly I’m better at recognizing cellulitis than a lot of doctors!
My mom had a brain tumor. A couple of days after the surgery, she suddenly and rapidly deteriorated. My dad, who was a young doctor at the time, called for the nurses to alert the doctors. They told him, they'd do so after they had finished changing everyone's bed sheets. My dad told them "No, you're going to call them NOW". Had he not been as confident with his demand, my mom would have died.
It must be incredibly traumatic to know that your child's life is on the line but not being able to make your concerns heard. I wish Martha's family a lot of strength!
I’m so sorry this happened to you, my mom also had a brain tumor and is half deaf and can’t work anymore, technically she kind of still has it since the recent mri’s she got has shown that some of the cells are coming back. Since it was pushing against an important facial nerve they could only empty the inside of the tumor but it should’ve been fine since she also gets radiation for it. Horrified that she’s going to get as sick as she was 4 years ago before surgery or that something bad will happened like what’s happened with your mom. I’m very glad your dad was able to keep anything worse from happening to your mom that’s very heartwarming
They really put bedsheets before the health of a patient...unbelievable.
I'm so happy your mother is doing better. What's with doctors and nurses being so apathetic in a career where passion and empathy is needed (imo)?
Thats so stupid to prioritize changing bedsheets over the life of another human being...these people do not need to be working in hospitals if they don't care to treat people with serious health problems.
Is your mom ok? 😢
@@PrincessofKeys exactly,which is sadly a majority of them
Sepsis is one of the few medical things that actually scares the shit out of me, especially because of how easily doctors love to ignore it.
That poor sweet child, all from a simple fall.
At least in my country, we are always trained to see for signs of sepsis. It's scary because the signs are always confusing and easily taken as something else. Shiverings, fever, dizyness etc... As a medical worker, it's one of my biggest fears too because the patient can become extremely ill in few hours.
Even though it can be detected without yhe patient saying anything
I've had sepsis a few times and it's extremely terrifying to have. I almost lost my whole foot due to doctors leaving me in the er waiting room for over 24 hours. They gave me a few bed pads to wrap around it (it was actively draining and I was in severe pain,it was 3x its normal size) and sent me back to the waiting room. I couldn't walk, I had no help to even use the bathroom for over 24 hours. I required surgery on my foot and had to pack it. Another time I had sepsis in my abdominal wall due to my feeding tube, I couldn't move and I genuinely thought I was going to die. The pain of sepsis in my abdominal wall together with my pancreatitis was absolutely hellish.
@@chronicallydisguisedI’m so sorry 😞
Oh man you tell me about it. My personal doctor visit diagnosed me with a simple fever during which I almost passed out. By time my entire body started hurting too much to even get off the bed my mom called an ER.
It was apparently right on time, too. Sepsis attacking my heart, causing anemia, kidney failure... Almost 3 months of recovery in a hospital and I only didn't need heart surgery out of sheer luck that the antibiotics were a perfect fit.
It absolutely feels like a normal cold when it first starts out.
I learned a long time ago that as a patient in the medical field, you NEED to stand your ground. Whenever they’d deny to do anything I asked for, I’d tell them to write it on my chart in front of me; that they’d denied me access
NO FRILLS! Just a nice voice telling a story. No music, no sound effects, no "creepy" voice. I love these videos. Please don't change 🙏
as a veterinarian this is so insane to me bc we learn how to detect this kind of thing without the pacient saying anything. it's kind of terrifying to know that even being told what is happening human doctors still ignore what is right in their faces. rip martha
I’m an rvt and I was thinking the same thing; including how even over the phone we have questions we can ask that help is gauge whether we are concerned sepsis is happening in the patient if they are declining. Martha was let down the moment the first doctor dismissed his nurse’s concerns to have him come down. My current doctors would not dismiss me if I asked them to come look at a patient, even if I admitted I may just be over reacting, they would still come look. My “over reacting” has been case changing before.
I have fantastic doctors now, but there was a time I joked that I was going to stop shaving and start seeing our cats’ vet. I decided I wanted a doctor and clinic who treated me as well as our vets and their clinic did.
This. I only worked at the kennels of a Vet Hospital but I learned very early on that the Vets there were way more efficient and effective at treating their patients who can't even tell them where it hurts etc. Any time there was a case where the Vet was unsure or just wanted confirmation of what they suspected they wouldn't hesitant to have their colleague another Vet come tell them what they think. Or some of the Vet's were better at certain difficult surgeries then others so they would ask that Vet to perform the surgery while they assisted them. During the time I was there none of the 4 Vets had an ego that made them think they didn't need another opinion and sometimes they would offer their help to one another if they had a few free moments like a canceled appointment or if they over heard a case that seemed difficult/interesting, they seemed to want to learn. They even had a monthly doctor's meeting where they discussed difficult cases or new treatments etc. I knew my furbabies were in great hands cuz I saw how they operated as Vets. Made me feel extremely disappointed in human doctors especially when you can verbalize to them your symptoms and they dismiss you completely, make you feel like you have no clue what you are talking about or you are paranoid/crazy or a hypochondriac even tho you only go to see them once a year and try not to be a bother. I know I have something wrong with me for the last few years now my symptoms have only gotten worse but I've completely given up at the moment with Doctors, my heart just can't take dealing with it anymore or my mental health. Maybe I'll get motivated to try again but not right now, I literally just go home crying feeling defeated or like I must be a nut case I guess.
I had a strange issue with one of my chameleons. I was an experienced keeper and my vet treated many in her career. Neither of us had any idea. My vet asked a colleague and hit the books. I was very impressed.
The difference is love. Vets become vets because they love animals and want to help them. Doctors become doctors for the money and prestige.
One thing I’ve learned about sepsis; first learn the signs. No matter who you are. Second, if you suspect sepsis in yourself or a loved one DO NOT STOP MAKING NOISE. Insist that they look for sepsis. If you’re wrong you’re wrong. You are the one paying those medical bills. Scream and shout if you have to. But sepsis is always deadly if not treated. If you have any suspicions at all, INSIST that they check for it. You have every right to do so. Ask for another doctor. Do whatever you need to do. It’s life or death.
Right
Do you know any videos the explain sepsis in depth, I’m still quite confused about it
I think the only thing that would have made a differenc is if the parents insisted that their child be moved to the PICU over the holiday.
@@fee6631 if you google it you can find a lot of helpful information and even infographics that make it really easy to understand. But I have heard it likened to feeling like you’re actually going to die. Like you just feel so awful. Shivering. Pale clams skin. Horrific headaches. And scarily it can happen from the most minute injuries sometimes. I know someone who died of sepsis from hitting his knee on a table… it only left a bruise. But he developed sepsis from it and died because they didn’t catch the sepsis soon enough. But basically what happens is your body completely over responds to an injury and it starts spiraling out of control. I know it sounds scary, and it is, but learn the signs and advocate for yourself. Like I said, pitch a fit if you feel like you’re septic until someone listens.
@@kerrissedai6857 I truly think if they had even considered sepsis and tested for it super early on, it would have saved her life. She was feeling awful. It’s possible her parents weren’t aware of sepsis and how fast it can move. That’s why I advocate for learning the signs and speaking up. If a doctor won’t listen, get anther doctor.
This doesn’t sound like a situation where they weren’t listening to the family. It sounds like everybody knew it was wrong, and they just chose not to treat her. 😢
I agree but I don't understand why though 😔
@@isirlasplace91because they simply don’t care and just want money and greed. People already don’t care about women and little girls illnesses and pain. They simply don’t care.
Totally agree. While it's better than nothing, it makes me wonder why the focus was placed so much on a second opinion, when in reality there were many multiple doctors who saw Martha, knew she was in sepsis, and knew she needed to be transferred to icu for treatment. A second opinion might help, but does nothing to solve the root issue of these doctors watching a girl die from a disease they knew how to prevent for literally no reason.
@@isirlasplace91 Typical doctor narcissim, it's a field of prestige and only those with money can go to med school so you find the typical rich kid cliquey narcissistic holier than thou attitude is quite common. The type of family than tends to push and force their kids into such fields (lawyer is another one) tend to be abusive and instill these kinds of attitudes and lack of empathy. Simply growing up rich without pushback already inherently gives you a superiority complex.
I also imagine the holiday weekend coming up meant doctors just wanted to get out of there asap and were cognitively biased to perceive there is nothing going on so they would not have to stay back and do as little work as possible.
@@VicarAmeliasi mean student debt in the uk cancels out after you're 30 so i don't think it's to do with being rich as the student loans aren't like American ones
This happened to my nephew. My sister in law took my nephew took him to the hospital not once, not twice.. but MULTIPLE times and the doctors sent him home with an inhaler. He passed away from a severe sinus infection. Hospitals need to make a change asap.
What creeps me out is that we have a lot of "Marthas", regardless of gender or country, losing their lives by medical neglect.
Yeah. I was thinking about Ryan’s Rule before Petal mentioned it, and I think there might even be other similar rules by other names in other states. It’s a bit fucked up that it takes a child dying in quite similar circumstances before a rule is implemented somewhere.
That is because "healthcare" has become so substandard and corrupted in so many places that you may not know whether you or your kin are actually going to make it out of the hospital alive if it's one of those that practices profits before people or whether the "health care Professionals" in your hospital have any standards of care whatsoever that they are held to.
This happens when Staff like Dr DoLittle are never held accountable for their failure to assess and treat
it bothers me a bit that we're not acknowledging how often this happens primarily towards women. It's no secret that women's concerns are often dismissed as exaggerations. Or, it's even systemic, such as no pain relief during IUDs and requiring mothers to lie supine during labor. It's screwed up, but I imagine making the process anonymous when listing symptoms would also help prevent this from happening
@@rnindlessyes! And not to mention the fact that most research has been made on white, cis males. I have endometriosis, and the process to get diagnosed and the amount of people who told me to "deal with it" is sickening. Not to mention the difference in symptoms for a heart attack between the sexes.
@@rnindlessexactly my thoughts.
jesus christ, i can't even imagine the trauma of holding your daughter while she seizes and loses bowel control, knowing she's dying... it's fucking terrifying. it's rare that videos on darker topics bother me to be honest, but this image has me shaken.
they didn't deserve this. she could've survived.
Exactly 😭 this is beyond disturbing and sad 😢
it's shatters my heart just reading this!! It's so vile what doctors are allowed to do!!
@annistar9693 and what's worse is people make excuses for them,literally just came across a comment that said "lAcK oF EmPaThY iS nOt ThEiR fAuLt!!"
And then getting told to pull yourself together when you react well accordingly like what unhinged spite do these people run on
@@GabrielleTollerson ""compassion fatigue"" 🤮🤮🤮
Saying "infection " instead of sepsis seems to happen often. They did the same to me. At least I made it out of there.
To be fair, sepsis is actually a term with a lot of varying sometimes contradictory definitions and at times the difference medically is entirely up to subjective opinion by the doctor. That's one of the things the Sepsis Alliance (i think that's their name) is trying to change. Diagnosis needs to be standardized so that doctors can effectively be held to that standard
@@dweebicusmaximusthis! I almost died of sepsis, but doctors did not want to call it that because i did not run a fever. My temperature dropped. They said if it was bad i should have had a fever. Next thing i know, they are giving me a "medication of last resort" because i was dying 🤦♀️
@@AliciaGuitarmy temperature was not high enough to alarm anyone but my natural body temp is lower in general so in MY case I WAS running a high fever but the doctors weren’t treating me as an individual. And so after 6 days of being so sick I can’t even remember it clearly now.. the initial hospital, of the 4 that I was seen at that week, called my mom to rush me to the ER immediately because they had gotten results back of some bacteria in my blood stream and feared I would die. I was 13. My dad was deployed overseas in Iraq. They had to send special orders for him to be sent back. The doctors told my mom they didn’t think I’d make it for his return. I’m only alive today because my grandma forced them to do more that first time, to run more tests. I did recover thankfully. But this happens more than we think!!!
Infection can lead to sepsis, BUT they are absolutely not the same thing …
Sepsis is way more alarming to patients so in order to keep relatives at ease, they use that term.
There's a statistic floating around showing that women are 30% more likely to pass at the hands of male doctors than female and I fullheartedly believe it.
For me, a well-regarded cardiologist once yell-scolded me because I couldn't convert ounces to liters off the top of my head (and me offering to quickly look it up was insulting, apparently... idk 🤷)
Same instance, still hyped up, he asked about caffeine consumption- before I answered he launched into yelling that my (then- undiagnosed POTS) was caused by "female chocolate consumptiom" and basically screamed "WOMEN SHOULD NEVER EAT CHOCOLATE!!"
I was alone with him in the the room, seated, and he was on a swivel stool between me and the door.
He flew to his feet and I remember him waving his clipboard/tablet-thing toward and over my head (but its been a few years and I might be overlapping the memory with a medical drama or something).
When I told him I'd been abstaining from all caffeine as per his recommendation, he jumped tracks, and blamed 10 years of heart-pounding medical shennanigans on anxiety.
I left every appointnent with him in tears. Due to some bs policy (and the hospital not finding the discriminatiom overt enough), I had to wait until he retired (five years) before I was allowed to switch cardiologists.
Last year, within the first fifteen minutes of our first appintment, the new cardiologist prescribed me the beta-blockers I'd been needing for more than fifteen years.
I didnt have to fight to be believed, or lead in with the "it first started when..." origin story.
She understood my needs solely by sight of my chart (and was actually infuriated on my behalf that out of the, like, eight doctors passing me around, none of them tried anything beyond prozac and midodrine).
If Dr's can't hold space for the medical opinions of nurses, patients, or patients' families, then they have no business being doctors.
oh no. Female doctors are just as bad. All the female doctors I have ever seen were also dismissive
I absolutely believe that statistic too. I'm afab, and I've been having chronic pain for a few years now with still no answer (and plenty of dr appointments.. all male). They just tell me bc I'm 16 that I'm "healthy" and send me back out. It's ridiculous. I also suspected I might have POTS, so I went to a cardiologist to get checked out.. not only was he just plain wrong abt the condition (he said it was RARE.. when any small amount of research shows it's common, especially in females) but he also told me that since I got up and walked into the room, I was healthy and fine. He ignored EVERYTHING my mom and I tried to say to him bc he just wanted me out of there. For some more context, I'm an ex cancer patient, I had leukemia at 2½ years old and was cleared at 5 after years of in and out hospitalizations and chemotherapy, so I'm literally no means healthy lol. But not even my history convinced him to listen. After the second appt to go over my halter(holter? I forgot the spelling) monitor he finally admitted I may have "the beginnings of mild POTS" but really just wanted to say my symptoms were due to being female. ofc.
Most of the problems I've been having recently tho are in my joints, shoulders, neck, head, etc. my joints are popping out of place w/o any stress or activity (among other chronic conditions I've had), and I've been wanting to get checked out for ehlers danlos syndrome. the last appt I had was w/ a neurosurgeon to address my low-lying cerebral tonsil for chiari malformation, and the appt went exactly like this: you don't have that condition, but idk what's actually wrong w/ u nor do I care enough to figure it out. Medicate yourself more!
like I'm not already taking plenty of meds for my pain, etc.. and he didn't even ask me what meds I'm already taking. It literally could've been over the phone if that's all he had to say. This treatment of my mom and I (who's also having concerning health problems- she's been hospitalized a few times for kidney failure and reoccurring ecoli) has been like this for the last 2-3 years. It's insane. Even tho my drs all keep saying it's "not serious or life threatening" I still get worried to fall asleep at night in case I don't wake up. I hope it changes soon
Can relate sooo much. So tired of having my scary episodes be brushed off as anxiety. And I know anxiety can be extremely scary, because I've had actual anxiety attacks where I literally thought I was dying. But my issues being brushed off are NOT anxiety.
i once had a male doctor tell me my inability to breathe properly was caused by stress, which was in his expert opinion, caused by watching the news, and a lack of faith in god. he then launched into a completely unrelated 30-minute political rant, unloading all of his hatred of The Libs onto me and my boyfriend, and i'm not gonna lie i genuinely found it hilarious at the time just because it was so inappropriate and out of left field. he also wasn't wearing any kind of name tag, so by the time i thought to report him, i realized i couldn't
@@MalignantGarden huh... It's the medical and scientific term for assigned female at birth.
She was watching her daughter pass away before her eyes and there was nothing she could do about it. Its so heart-wrenching.😢
You cannot be "nice" in these situations. You must either be angry or frantic to get what you need. This is a tragedy.
This is criminal.
@@judytaquino6412 If any other group screws up on the job, train drivers, construction workers, whatever, it's called negligent homicide. Failure to give proper and standard care is certainly negligent. So I agree, it's criminal.
Just angry. Frantic will make them not take you seriously. If you're angry they might even be scared into looking into it for fear of a lawsuit or even assault.
Yes. This happened with my uncle and aunt. My uncles life was in danger and the nurses were recording false obs. My aunt raised hell and stayed with him for 3 weeks until he was discharged. She said they hated her on the ward but she would rather be hated than her husband be killed
@@sadgirlx619 EXACTLY!
This is infuriating. This young girl should still be alive and well. Her death was avoidable. Her poor family.
Right
With all of her funds and all of her prestige, Patty Duke died of this.
i knew her she went to my school my sister was friends her family are still understandlby devasted
I work in a hospital as a tech (nurse assistant) on a med surge floor. When they think a patient has sepsis they'll instantly send in a whole team. I've heard that once sepsis sets in you only have minutes to intervene- just wow.
Yep my girlfriend had sepsis and as soon as the nurse checked her out immediately over the intercom we heard "septic alert room 6 septic alert room6!" And we realized oh shit we're room 6 and a bunch of people came in and started running tests pronto. Sepsis is no joke.
This is what I don't understand, every hospital I've been to always ran tests immediately the moment I or whoever I accompanied presented with sketchy symptoms.
I had horrible food poisoning and because I handle products from Malaysia all day every day, they even ran tests for tropical diseases and parasites. I've been turned inside out so hard that they even found tumors (just lipomas in the end) and that my ovaries have withered away, causing me to have little to no hormones, aka the reason I'm fat and tired.
And this girl died, just like that. Why? Because.
Yeah your NHS system ain’t working… period end of story. They would have sent a team if that’s what they do… but they didnt… I have a feeling there’s a lot more cases like this out there
@OffTheWagons fr, I've been hitting snooze for an hour and still don't want to get out of bed.
Last year, my uncle went septic with kidney failure in the hospital due to an infected catheter. The doctor left him there with the infected catheter still in, while the infection spread through my uncle's body. When my mother visited the hospital and pointed out to the doctor that the urine bag wasn't filling (his kidneys were already shutting down), the doctor argued that "nothing is wrong" and walked away ignoring my mother and my uncle. The next day, it was my mother who had to alert the nurse in the room that my uncle was going into cardiac arrest. My uncle died of an entirely treatable UTI because of a doctor who couldn't care less about helping patients.
Always fight for your life and your health. Always.
Tragically this happens all over the world, in regards to sepsis. My colleague aged 45 died of septic shock when he was disbelieved by the A&E doctor and sent home. He clearly had a burst appendix and peritonitis.
It was whispered by the same doctor outside my cubicle to other staff that, "She's a malingerer" when I presented to the A&E for the third day in a row, with rigours, vomiting and infection. In fact I had septicemia, but was also sent home.
By the grace of God and prayer I survived. My GP was a 1,000x better doctor than the ones at the hospital. 🇳🇿
As nurses, we are sometimes even less believed by doctors, than the general public.
What a travesty for Martha, I was almost screaming as you were relating what was happening to her and her family. How terrible. And what is more galling is the promotion of the doctor. What a wicked and unjust world we live in. 🖤
This is heartbreaking! As a retired BSN, I pissed off plenty of doctors, and was never sorry a single time. I was actually correct every time. My patients were always my priority 💔
I'm a UK-trained doctor. When I trained in the 90's the importance of allowing patients/families a second opinion was already pushed, as was the importance of clinicians asking for peer review if we are unsure about cases.
I think the issue here is that the drs didn’t think they were unsure or wrong about her condition. This is sadly something I have seen in too many healthcare professionals.
It’s something that should have more attention and education focused on.
Yeah well now (in my experience) having your patient or their family request a second opinion or even just query the clinical options is taken as an incredibly personal insult. And it hurts the patients. In horrifying and life destroying ways.
looks like it didnt stick
@@ylenagreen4084 my old GP is guilty of this. I presented with back pain, that radiated down my leg and my back would seize up in agony if I was standing for more than a couple of mins.
I was sent for an MRI. It found ‘low lying conus’ with ‘tethered filum’. Basically my spinal cord is tethered where it is supposed to sit loose in the spine. This can lead to a LOT of scary shit (including cognitive degeneration and loss of bladder and bowel control) and is usually found when you’re a baby. It’s very rarely seen in adults, but once symptomatic, is progressively degenerative.
Despite these results, my GP confidently told me it’s ‘just chronic pain’. I was already presenting with some minor bladder symptoms at this point.
I fought them on it, telling them I was happy to be told it’s just an ‘incidental finding’ by someone who actually had experience of the condition in adults. Not someone who had likely never seen it before.
Long story short-ish, I ended up paying privately for a consult with one of the best spinal surgeons in the country. He told me the pain wasn’t caused by the finding. BUT he wanted me to get urological testing to look for neurogenic bladder. As this is one of the telltale signs that the tethered cord is actively deteriorating (for lack of a better term).
2 years on from that appt I finally had that testing this month. They found a specific type of neurogenic bladder (detrusor sphincter dyssynergia) - the only thing that can cause this condition - the spine. Spinal defects, trauma etc. it’s almost impossible to treat and has gotten much worse in these 2 years.
My new GP thankfully is brilliant and has referred me straight back to this surgeon on the NHS (but at a private hospital that the NHS has contracted). So hopefully the wait won’t be insane this time.
But the thing is, they can release the cord. BUT all that does it prevent any further deterioration. Any damage done is permanent. And my old GP would have left me, not on any waiting lists just to be sure… they even removed me from the NHS waitlist to see this surgeon for follow up after I paid to see him (that I’d had to fight them to put me on). That I could be close to the top of the waiting list for now.
Sorry, guess I needed to get that out of my system 😂
@@ssua3035well it did eventually - Martha's Law. Sadly, it wasn't soon enough for Martha.
The NHS is being systematically dismantled by the Tories, who have been in power for too long and have overseen horrific underfunding and undermining of the NHS. They want a nice, lucrative private system where a few rich people get lots richer, the citizens work ever harder to pay for expensive private medical insurance, while the government can spend more of it's income on nice, lucrative deals to enrich those same, few cronies even further.
Meanwhile, the doctors and nurses are overworked, underpaid and under-resourced.
It was a beautiful system that worked well once. The NHS was highly respected world wide. Now it is struggling, even with donations, to provide the service it would love to give.
I've had sepsis. It felt like I was on fire. It took 7 hours before I was treated (I had a night nurse whose routine I was interrupting, so my problem wasn't addressed until the next morning, and I was too sick to demand help), and I honestly felt like I was dying the entire time. I can't imagine what that poor child went through for DAYS.
As soon as you mentioned the rash, I thought, "That's it. She's not going to make it." I hate being right.
@OffTheWagons Im a nurse, and some of the most evil people I have ever encounter are other fellow nurses. Also the nurses might have sympathised with you, but the Head Nurse is the one that has the power so the other nurses are powerless and know that they have nothing to do. They even know her senior nurse is a horrible one but they cannot do much. Fighting for you was futile and even work-risking for them. A lot of people dont realize that there are a lot of people coming into hospitals, we see a lot of things. For us is just another one sometimes (I know sounds bad) but its a sharp contrast to the person that is sick how chill the medical stuff might be.
@@Alejojojo6I really don’t care how much yall see. Doing what is right precedes all that. Yall didn’t get into medical school to pussyfoot around with people’s lives. You guys are just as important as the military that serves the country. If nurses can’t handle the fact they have to do some risky things to save someone’s life. Why work there? It’s your job to make sure everyone is taken care of and any malpractice is addressed. And pussyfooting around has costed a child’s life. I get treating every patient like they are your own family is a lot, but too much emotional disconnection causes a lack of empathy. A lack of empathy causes carelessness. And no one working in the medical field should be careless.
@OffTheWagons wtf???
@@Ishouldnthavebeensopublic well said!!
@@Ishouldnthavebeensopublic The acceptance of a patient into the ward is not in the Nurses power, its on the head nurses. Its like a common soldier trying to tell the superiors the strategy they have to follow. There is little a nurse can do to have the patient accepted if the head nurse doesnt want to. Its a lost cause to fight for a fight you are going to loose 100%. Its absurd even if you have had accepted the patient or feel he should be accepted, a common nurse cannot take you in the ward if their boss doesnt want to.
What causes disconnection is that you go in to save lives but then you are hit by the reality of life and death. We dont see death as the rest of people do. Death is normal, some die some dont and sometimes you are powerless to stop them from dying no matter what you do. Its the first thing you learn: You cannot save everyone.
The fact that these laws are only put in place once a person has died due to the neglect of "professionals" around them, makes me so sick. She should still be here, it breaks my heart to know that her last days were filled with so much pain
I was stuck in a hospital dying and wanted a second opinion. The surgeons tried to talk me out of it but they weren’t doing anything to make me better. I finally got transferred to another hospital and the new doctors were disturbed by the condition the other doctors let me get to.
I can't imagine telling your child "I love you." for the final time. So heartbreaking.
Inflated ego and lack of empathy is EXACTLY how I would describe the majority of NHS doctors. I'm so livid at some of the things I have seen over and over again in UK hospitals due to NHS doctors thinking they themselves know better than parents, other doctors and systems.
Sadly, its not just the NHS. Doctors here in the U.S. are the exact same way. They could not care less about the lives of their patients and their egos are so inflated that they refuse to consult with other doctors when they can't figure out what is wrong with a patient or don't know how to treat them. The average amount of time someone with a chronic illness has to advocate for themselves while fighting for a diagnosis is seven years. SEVEN YEARS of being sick or in pain and going from one doctors appointment to another just praying that this will be the doctor that takes you seriously and is able to figure out what's wrong with you. And keep in mind, we pay for all of those appointments. Even with insurance we'll have a copay of some kind for every appointment. And more often than not the person struggling to get a diagnosis ends up getting labeled as a "drug seeker" because they've seen so many doctors and possibly even multiple trips to the ER. And that label can make it even more difficult to be taken seriously by doctors. I will never understand how two countries as progressive and rich as ours have medical systems that are this broken. I mean, there is literally no excuse for this girl to have died the say she did. In theory she was in the best place possible when she developed sepsis. They should have caught it right away, and the earlier you start treating sepsis the more likely you are to survive it. It was a completely avoidable tragedy... I will definitely be saying a prayer for her parents and loved ones...
Sorry for rambling. It just makes me so mad!
@@bri5155 No need to apologize for rambling because it is an important issue that needs to be addressed. The U.S. healthcare system is one that needs nationwide standardization, as where I'm from the healthcare is some of the best in the nation, but if you were to examine the state of healthcare in many deep southern states it would fill anyone with dread. Sometimes as Americans one can move around to another state for treatment, but in the U.K. there is only the option of traveling abroad. The horrifying truth is the standards of healthcare practice in the U.K. is on par with the worst states in America.
My fiancee is a U.K. native and she waited 7 years on their list before having a vital appointment for her hormonal imbalance, which was reducing her quality of life to null. When I was living there with her during 2020-2021, I had to travel back home as I was left to deteriorate as no medical practitioner seemed to care, and the ones who did suppressed. While of course it is not a contest because lives are at stake, the NHS is so broken it is impossible to rectify without a complete overhaul. I simply wish both countries, and all countries for this matter, the people can have the right to proper medical care and accessibility.
This might not be the case for most people, but I went to med school in the UK several years back. "Inflated ego and lack of empathy" is a chillingly accurate way of describing many of the students I was studying with. I still expect to see one of my roommates on the news one day for some heinous crime carried out during practice. Getting a place is so competitive, I guess a huge ego is a prerequisite. Many of the students were so headstrong and self-assured, which in my experience of being in that environment, is necessary to make it. The drop-out rate in the first year alone is like 10%. Many of the kind and caring students are weeded out - I'm certainlt not calling myself necessarily kind and caring because I didn't make it past the first year, but I saw other empathetic coursemates weeded out in that one year. Those who can rise to the challenge are perhaps the most cutthroat. Perhaps many get into it because their parent(s) were doctors and it's expected for them to go into it too. Perhaps many of the male students enjoy the female attention they get from being so "successful" (women certainly do swarm to med students and doctors, and many of the guys I studied with did come across like they were god's gift to women).
They are trying to capture genuine empathy at the point of entry, this is a quality the students are expected to demonstrate to get a place on the course. Unfortunately, people can say whatever they want to at interview, and as long as they're a convincing liar, they'll be believed and get a place. And we know what people say about people who can lie and manipulate others so effortlessly...
Inflated ego definitely. However the lack of empathy isn’t their fault. They are working hours the average person cannot even imagine. They are constantly stressed. When you are stressed ALL THE TIME your body reacts by stopping your ability to feel that sadness. You literally stop caring as a protective mechanism. It doesn’t make it better but it explains it. The only way to fix this is to incentivize more people to go into medicine, to lower hours worked by residents and attendings, and to also increase the amount of healthcare literacy the average person has.
@@DunmerLoverAKA-Alex this is so true I've just applied to medical school and had some interviews they always empathise on empathy which i thought was great as it will encourage students to think about their paitents more and that was what one of the questions/role-play scenarios I was given. But I think what you said about the empathic students being weeded out is true recently a junior doctor committed suicide she was training in Birmingham University medical school and wrote in her suicide note that it was her hostile work place that lead her to commit suicide I think this is a pretty accurate example of the empathic ones being weeded out in order to withstand that type of environment you have to be apathetic
Although an adult at the time, I've survived sepsis. It took me crashing, BP almost non-existent, for a diagnosis to be determined. The pain was so severe, my mind has blocked out most of the day I collapsed. I remember the paramedics wheeling me out fhe door, then nothing until about 12 hrs later, although my friend assured me I was conscious for quite a while in the ER.
I woke up in the ICU while receiving an 8th bag of saline solution. They were pumping it in as fast as they could to bring my BP back up. I literally gained 30 lbs of water weight from all that! I was hospitalized for nearly 30 days. It's a deadly condition!
Right
My cousin died from sepsis just last year. It's been awful for our family.
When I was a kid a similar thing happened to me. If my mother hadn’t done medical studies in the past, she would not doubt the diagnosis.
i live in the uk and theres posters in every doctors office, miu, a&e about how serious sepsis is, its everywhere! I can't believe the doctors weren't taking it seriously!!!
Exactly
it's probably bc of Martha
Literally, I was thinking if it’s made this clear to us non- healthcare workers how serious sepsis is, surely they should be well aware but apparently not!!!
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why she wasn’t taken seriously, the doctors figured “oh she’s just looked at all the signs and got paranoid”. So so frustrating
The signs are there because of this case.
as a pediatric nurse, i have had to metaphorically square up with doctors before in order to push for my patients to receive the care that they need. it is so disheartening to know that all of these nurses ignored the family's concerns and let this poor child suffer. it reminds me a little of the case of Libby Zion, a girl who went to the hospital with flu-like symptoms and later died from (preventable) serotonin syndrome because the medical residents weren't careful with what meds they gave her. there is a law named for her now that limits the amount of hours residents can work in a week.
My son almost died from SS. It was truly horrifying!
God bless you.
Reading these comments is so terrible. My heart goes out to everyone who has lost someone due to medical malpractice and neglect.
Our family dog bit my mother once to the bone on her finger. (Dog fell down the stairs and lashed out because she was in pain). By the time we were seen in the ER, 4 hours or more after arrival, the red infection was already traveling up her arm. I tried to tell them, hey, the dog has been on antibiotics and this is clearly infected - meaning that this infection is resistant. They didn't listen and gave her whatever broad spectrum bs. Hours later, they assessed again and were like "yup, it's not working" but by this time her hand was so swollen they were considering surgery to cut open the hand to relieve pressure to preserve the use of the hand. And the red has made it far enough up the arm that i was worrying about sepsis. Luckily, they were able to try a new antibiotic and the infection was halted. But it was administered every four hours. I had to track down nurses every time it ran out in the night. If i hadn't, they would have let her sit without antibiotics.
I don't understand how people can be so nonchalant about peoples lives and livelihoods. I shudder to think what would have happened had i not insisted in going with my mother that day.
I very much enjoy how you don’t sensationalize the situations you cover in your videos. You always talk extensively about these people as people and not just victims of medical malpractice. Putting the fact that these are all people first and foremost is something I feel a lot of channels covering medical situations or true crime don’t do. Martha was a real girl who had many aspirations and still had an entire life to live, a life that was ripped from her far too early due to neglect and incompetence. May she rest in peace 🕊️❤️
Thank you for putting this more eloquently than I could. ❤ thank you Petal
couldn't agree more. Petal puts people over sensation, something many youtubers could learn how to do.
This is the #1 reason why I watch this channel. I know sensationalist stuff will always draw an audience, but I really wish this kind of integrity in serious discussions could be a new standard.
The Misery Machine also talks about the victims as actual people. Check them out if you like this channel.
I know someone who went into septic shock recently, and is still recovering. To listen how Martha’s injury progressed into her final moments was horrifying, it’s like it goes beyond medical negligence. This poor girl understood she was dying, and her parents had to watch it happen…those doctors should be losing their licenses, not getting promotions.
They should go to prison.
Narrator has a natural talent to convey information and comes across as caring. Nicely done, with respect for Martha and her family.
I am very impressed with Petal Palmer, her speaking voice and delivery are impressive, clear, concise, very informative without over elaborations and very pleasant to the ear.. She related this whole tragic tale with empathy but no melodrama which is greatly appreciated... and she effectively told this needlessly tragic tale which every medical person should be required to listen to.
Unfortunately I went through a similar situation. Pain in the abdomen brushed off as period cramps, eventually got to an unbearable state. Found out it absolutely was not that and needed emergency surgery. I was 12…
I don’t think it’s crazy to assume misogyny possibly plays into this case as well. It’s painful to think about that, especially when we’re talking about a young girl too…😢
I almost died of chrohns illness because "it's normal for women to have some stomach ace".
@@j.artiste8596 right sad but true
Same here, they let my appendicitis be untreated for 2 whole days because, even though I told them it wasn't, they thought it was period cramps.
I was boiling and couldn't even move, iwas nowhere near my period and I know my body well enough to know what is and isn't a period pain.
It took one female doctor on the second day to send me to get my appendix checked.
Long story short, it took me 3 days to get the surgery and my appendix had bursted, luckily no serious complications came after, knowing how bad that situation could have went.
Misogyny could have very much killed me, just like it has had before to many other women I am sure, the medical field is absolutely against treating women with respect and care it seems
@@brainrot3254Misogyny definitely! Doctors seriously underestimate not only women but children as well, my little brother’s appendix also ruptured and during the days before the doctors brushed it off as a stomachache at worst. When he arrived to surgery the surgeon almost called the police on my parents because my brother was literally hours away from dying. Really scary how the judgement of other people can get you killed, I hope you are recovering well
Its so stupid how these foolish doctors keep brushing off someone's pain especially females, because they really do think patients are dumb. I think these doctors are dumb and never need to step foot in a hospital again. This world need more doctors who listen to patient and their pain!
It's wild to me that they say they didn't think it was sepsis for so long. Okay, then what is it? Clearly whatever you're giving her isn't fixing it. You gonna do something to fix it or just stand there and say what it isn't?
I kept thinking if it was possible to transfer that child out of there to another hospital where they would take it seriously. I'm glad the law was put in place, sad a child has to lose her life for it to finally be serious.
Sounds like the doctors involved had a serious case of "confirmation bias" so that their long bank holiday weekends wouldn't be interrupted.
No doubt
The worst part is the interruption would have been minimal. Literally a phone call to the PICU saying "she's getting worse, can you take care of her?" That's now one less patient on your ward and more time for your holiday. But the superiority complex had to get in the way of a simple transfer of care
Thank you for all your effort on these videos and telling the stories of those who have been wronged by the system ❤
Ahh I’m so late to seeing this! Thank you so much for your super thanks and thank you for your kind message, it really means a lot ❤️
My dad had an issue where he began to choke after heart surgery, and tried to signal a nurse nearby. He was waving and pointed to himself saying he was struggling, and she went, "I don't know what (mimicking my dad's movements) is :/" and left annoyed.
Thankfully, my dad saved himself and is doing fine today. But why should someone who should be helping him act like he's a burden??
Hell, my mom almost died having my sister and I because of internal bleeding. It was only until my family spoke up that something was done.
There's so many doctors and nurses that treat their patients badly bc of an ego trip to not be wrong or bothered, and it's beyond words infuriating. WHY be in this profession if you aren't going to give a damn about a patient and their health, especially if it involves a child? I'd be so devastated with myself if a patient, let alone child, died under my care, to say the bare minimum.
Martha had a long life ahead of her, and it was stopped because of ignorant, self absorbed, sub humans. Losing a child is something I would never wish on anyone.
So they knew she was dying and didn’t care, is what I’m getting. Someone with good intentions would’ve checked on the little girl who was very much in obvious pain. The apathy humans can reach is downright cruel for no reason.
I think all the "providers" who cared for her should be criminally charged. Their behaviors and lack of action (on every occasion) was shameful. They allowed this child to die. They ensured this child would die. They killed this child.
Damn right!
In places with national health care it is nearly impossible to win against the doctors
FACTS
from what I’ve read, the doctors got sued for negligence and the mother got paid
I think the consultants should be pursued. However, the junior doctors can have literally days of experience with paediatrics so I think it’s a tad unfair to prosecute them. If they escalated when they were out of their depth (which it sounds like they did) then they did what they were supposed to.
2021?! This story feels like it’s from the 80’s and not modern medicine. My mother has a medical background and has always advocated for my medical care. This family was not given proper medical care at all. Very scary
The 80's were better, the healthcare systems were less stressed.
Modern medicine is not the Holy Grail, although it likes to keep up that facade for reasons that should be obvious. It has deteriorated considerably since the 80's even though there is a lot of shiny, fancy and expensive tech to cover the corruption up. Don't be fooled. Having a lot of the latest in high tech equipment, does not necessarily translate into better outcomes in health for the patient
Ha... medical dismissal happens to MILLIONS of people everyday!!!
@@margaretr5701agreed. This is the core issue across the NHS. No matter what I do at work I am giving shit care, the system just doesn’t support good care.
Really dumb comment, with every passing decade care in hospital gets worse and worse. Sounds like your comparing 2024 medical care with the dark ages, the 80's Oh my god, just ridiculous.
I'm glad more ERs are becoming aware of sepsis. When I told the triage nurse that I'd been diagnosed with flu and possible pneumonia (with asthma-COPD) four days ago then suddenly felt worse and convinced I needed help *now*, half an hour ago, I was pushed to the top of the queue of an overflowing ER in the midst of peak flu season. I was admitted with: acute respiratory distress, hypoxemia, influenza, pneumonia, and sepsis with multiple organ dysfunction. The thing that impressed me was that I couldn't adequately describe why I felt worse, just that I did and I was soooo tired.
I love the fact that you didn’t dramatize every other word. You spoke clearly and concisely. You did emphasize some important points and facts. No dramatic pauses and changes in focus. This is 1st video of yours I have seen. New subscriber. Good job on horrendous content. My prayers for the family.
In Australia, we have Ryan’s Rule, and as of this weekend I had never met anyone who had used it. But when it’s used correctly, it’s an absolutely vital rule to have!
What is it?
@@beckyf2845 I guess we'll have to google Ryan's Rule.
Someone mentioned Martha's Law, my list is growing!
Its a process where any patient (of any age), parent, or carer can call a senior clinician for a second opinion
@@lemurtherainwing6660 not all states but def QLD. Need to advise nurse in charge or Dr not happy with care or have concerns, if not addressed properly,then they call a Ryan's rule, this gets the pollies involved who call the head honcho dr's to instigate review from top down, though apparently don't have to review but do have to report to gov directly. Not sure if it works in private hospital ad you must be an admitted patient, this can include in the emergency department, but not an outpatient etc.
Called different things in different states
Sometimes I feel like there's a high number of doctors and nurses who are sadistic. They just let her keep suffering and did nothing.
Especially when an entire care team or administrative culture that's toxic. It costs lives.
there is. There definitely is. I have never in my life met a caring doctor, and I'm 32,that's how bad it is
I'm 50 and I have had only met 1 caring GP and 1 caring consultant , 1 caring midwife. I have a chronic illness , I've had 2 children and had the usual random illnesses and odd hospital stay, so I've had the misfortune to meet many uncaring and dismissive "professionals " most of whom are middle aged men so should know better.
Absolutely. I was just in the ER with norovirus and dehydrated. I literally went to the ER for dehydration and they weren't giving me fluids. I had to beg and plead and then they acted like I was inconveniencing them. No one would come when I would press the call light. I had to stumble to the bathroom and I ended up having a bathroom accident in the hospital bed. These people are downright evil.
Well, what kind of character traits attract a person to a profession where they're assumed to be in the right and have power over those who are suffering?
this case is so frustrating. Martha suffered for so long and was clearly doing unwell. It’s so weird that in the medical field they weren’t more cautious, especially a child. Poor Martha, she should’ve lived. Thank you for discussing her story
Horrible yes, but honestly not weird at all in the UK tbh. My brother was dying in my dad's arms but the hospital just said they won't send an ambulance because the hospital he needs to go to is far from where he lived. Had to get a taxi to the hospital to save him
I am blown away by your presentation of this tragic case. Yes, death due to medical egos, and parents stupified by having trusted medical professionals. Fortunately, not all doctors and nurses are so ignorant. At the core of the problem : being away from home and one's usual attending physician. But modern medical care takes it's organization (so as to be profitable) from the factory model. My mother and my grandmother were both exceptional nurses (but that was years ago) and raised me to NEVER trust a doctor without a second (even a third) opinion. Thank you for your hard work on behalf of the victims in this case, and all the others like them.
Thank you for opening with a much needed deep dive into Martha’s humanity - her friends, her family, her interests, and joy. You could have easily said “her smile lit up the room” and went into the case, but instead, you allowed us to learn her story.
I really appreciated that. That this isn’t just a policy and procedure issue, it was a dismissal of Martha’s humanity. That she knew herself and looked to medical experts for help to return to herself.
This is horrible! That poor girl. 💔
My father died of sepsis, too. Same thing - put him under sedation to be incubated and he never woke up. He also said he knew he was going to die. "I'm not getting out of this one. I feel it." I will never forget that.
It was horrific to see it happen to my dad, I can't imagine a child! And especially with all this clear medical neglect. Just heartbreaking.
Damn. So sad for your dad.
My grandfather in law ultimately passed away from a sepsis infection back in January. A spinal surgery ended up leaving him with a perforated bowel, and by the time they caught it, it was too late. Seeing a family member literally fall apart in front of you is absolutely heartbreaking. Rest in peace Martha 🫶🏼 You deserved so much better care than you received.
We lost a close family friend from a bowel perforation from a bladder tack. They discharged her despite troubling symptoms and she passed away the night she came home.
@@katiekane5247 I'm so sorry, such unnecessary suffering and trauma.
My condolences.
I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather's suffering.
My condolences.
My dad died from sepsis after he developed a perforation in his bowel too. Can't imagine how bad it was before he died, hearing all of this stuff makes me feel so bad for anyone who dies that way.
When my dad was in the hospital I felt like the nurse was not listening to my concerns. She said she had other patients and she would stop in shortly and check on him. His O2 sat was decreasing, his pulse was increasing and he said he felt like an elephant was sitting on him. The hospital had just implemented Rapid Response, i called the number and a team was there in no time, he was transferred to the ICU for a PE. Had i not called he most likely would have died! I get it, they are short staffed and overworked but still....
The last sentence, exactly. Your dad is so lucky to have you and to have had you there. ❤ I worry about patients in condition similar to your dad’s who don’t have someone with them that can advocate for them.
You dont know how much stress nurses are in. There are a lot of task to be completed for a lot of patients in that ward. So sometimes, you might simply be unaware of a specific patient. That's why we always advice to have a relative with them because they know them best and if something happens they can alert us. If the sat was never under 85% he was not at risk of dying. It could have been going down, then she should have check a second time and see she was in need and call the doctor. Usually with a patient like this I would have a ring under by ear and check on him every time I could and if it didnt improve with O2 masks, I would have called the doctor. At least that's how we do it here.
@@Alejojojo6i literally don’t care. You can be stressed all you want. Letting patients die because you are inconvenienced is unacceptable. Everyone needs to do better instead of making excuses. And that doesn’t just go for nurses that goes to the government who made the system so unfair.
@@Ishouldnthavebeensopublic exactly!! Wtf is this person talking about?? Not him victim blaming and making excuses for these evil doctors! What a nasty creature!!
@Alejojojo6 it was a pulmonary embolism!!! Of course he was about to die.
Sepsis is absolutely terrifying. I had a severe case of sepsis due to a small bowel perforation from a colectomy in November of 2023. I told doctors for several days something wasn’t right and ended up completely coding and had to be resuscitated. I’m so lucky to be alive and I’m still recovering from all of the physical and mental trauma. I can only imagine the pain and suffering poor Martha went through and the heartbreak her family feels. If doctors actually listened to their patients so many cases like this could be prevented
I greatly appreciate you taking the time at the beginning to paint more of a picture of who Martha was as a person. Often in stories like these it's easy to just look at the facts of the case and forget that this was a real full person with quirks and interests and hopes for the future, who lost her entire life and future at such a young age. Thank you for honoring her memory.
Martha was only 3 years younger than me, and I really relate to her and see myself in her. My heart breaks for her and her family.
I’m so grateful that my mother has advocated for my chronic condition. The way this poor girl was failed by these medical professionals absolutely kills me.
That's mad, I had appendicitis and after the operation, I got sepsis. I was a similar age to Martha at the time and it was the NHS. It only took one blood test to confirm my early sepsis and I couldn't remember it even being that ill, I was just in powerful antibiotics and had a blood bag.
I guess I was incredibly lucky that NHS staff that felt with me were professional.
I'm on the side of veterinary medicine and immediately upon listening low temp with diarrhea and lymphagitis (the red lines) my first thought was septicemia. Either none of the people treating her should've gotten licenses to practice or they had some kind of malicious intent.
I think that’s the thing with these medical facilities and their pros ….the neglect I’ve witnessed at the local hospital first had with an elderly friend who had copd….what I witnessed would have gotten them all fired and sued when I worked there in 2005! I am never going to the hospital for any reason ….this is a cult thing….has to be
I'm a groomer, and even I know the signs of septicemia!
I'd rather go to a DVM than an MD any day!
@@nobody8328 I read this and was like "A GROOMER? Oh, a pet groomer."
@DrDolphina yeah, I really wish they'd picked a different word to describe PDF files. 😔
And it doesn't get any better when I tell folks that I shave pụśṣy for a living 😆
@@nobody8328 This was the not the reply I was expecting.
this story makes me nauseous, i had an infection after internal bleeding a few months ago and it was so painful so i cant even imagine the pain that poor girl was in.
Something like this is currently happening to me. A mass was found in my heart back in April, I’ve had 4 MRIs and 5 CTs and they still don’t know what it is but refuse to do anything else and just say to wait it out. Even though it’s impacting blood flow and makes it hard for me to breathe, they consider me “stable” so they’re not worried about it. All the doctors have been dismissive and one even told me to stop being anxious and to “just breathe”
Children deserve better treatment and care. I feel for Martha and wish her family the best ❤
I'm British and my families experience with the NHS has been horrible. My mother would often go to the doctor experiencing psychosis and would be told she was being dramatic. After my sister's suicide attempt where they pumped her stomach, she was left alone for five hours before being discharged despite still being a danger to herself. I have been battling chronic pain and mental health issues for years and recently when I requested my health records, I discovered I had never been diagnosed with anything, not even anxiety and depression which I've been taken medication for for years. The system is so fucked, especially to women and AFAB people who aren't believed until they have chronic health issues as a result of underdiagnosis and misdiagnosis or even worse, in this case, when they're dead. My friend's mother went to the doctors multiple times with chest and neck pain before her fatal heart attack and they just chalked it up to anxiety 😔 the NHS has suffered under decades of austerity and needs a serious revamp and emergency funding plus they need to tackle the medical misogyny issues.
Couldn’t agree more.
We have the same problems in the US, unfortunately.
Medical misogyny is so rampant it's crazy. I'm so sorry for your experiences and I hope you were all able to somewhat recover. Unfortunately it's not any better in the US and I completely understand your struggle. I had a rare benign tumor on the roof of my mouth for as long as I can remember (it's not actually rare, just rare in children) but I also saw an orthodontist at least once every month because of jaw issues I've had since birth. There was a completely unmissable bump (at least 2 in x 2 in, probably raised abt 1 in) from the tumor on the roof of my mouth for years and years and no one at that office ever brought it up. Not even like asking "hey what's that bump on the roof of your mouth?", so I thought it was normal of course because I was 8 fucking years old.💀 It was only brought to my attention when I was at the ER for other issues and the nurse asked what it was. So by the time I had the tumor removed at 12 y/o it had completely eroded away all of the bone on the roof of my mouth and I now have a giant hole that leads into my sinuses that has cost thousands and thousands of dollars to manage (for a custom appliance that covers the hole so food and drink doesn't get in it, and yet it still doesn't work). If that had been a cancerous tumor I would have been dead before anyone even told me about it. Doctors and nurses really don't give a fuck about patients at all and just want you out of their office so they can go home and put their feet up, lol. And then after those types of experiences they get mad at you for doing your own research and self advocacy as an adult...😐 Anyway I hope you're doing well, lol. Couldn't help but rant abt my experiences as well
@@jbeauty4150 Please Explain.
thats such a horrifying case, to just be told over and over that theres nothing to worry about when the doctors are hiding symptoms and updates behind your back?? id be so afraid of that happening here in the states too😢
It is even worse here in the states
it happens so much that medical mistakes are one of the leading causes of death in America
The UK healthcare system is in a state of collapse at the moment, you can only really get emergency treatment in a lot of places since covid everything else there is years and years long waiting lists. There is a joke here where someone says like "I've got diabetes" and the other replies "oh diabetes? Do we still do that?" Like as in, do we still treat that... Lol...
it IS happening here in the states!! Tell us you've never been to a doctor without telling us SMFH
@@GabrielleTollerson I don't understand why you had to be so rude and immature while making that comment...
As someone who both works with the NHS in a clinical role and a person who’s heath issues have been dismissed, stories like this are all too common. The NHS is a crumbling system that is being torn apart by the current government and it’s so frustrating to watch.
So many governments are at an all-time low in terms of serving its people. I fear we're going to have to fight hard to make things better. It really is looking dire out there.
Similar with OHIP. Ontario Healthcare.
I'm from the UK, now living in Ontario, Canada for many years, both were excellent healthcare systems at one time. Sad to see them stressed and collapsing.
I've had issues here, I no longer trust I'll be treated appropriately as I'm in a very busy, overburdened area.
My mother was misdiagnosed in England, lost precious time and is no longer with us.
Best wishes to all, hoping for improvement to these once magnificent institutions.
@@margaretr5701 It's even worse in the US - not only do you get all that, but also they charge you into debt as well (even with decent insurance and don't even get me started on the insurance death panels that routinely deny claims, confusing their bottom line with actual medical diagnosis from actual doctors).
Same with America but we also have insurance to deal with on top of all of this crap. Ow. 😢
I live in the US. I have been on Medicare for 10 years, with a supplemental insurance. My dental bills have been high, about $1,000, but all my tests and procedures that I have had for 10 years have had co-pays totaling under $500. I have had biopsies, etc. I have no complaints so far. But I do worry about having my symptoms not being taken seriously. After having abdominal pains for a considerable period of time, I was given an abdominal CT. I asked my physician if it could miss anything and she assured me, “no”. Still not convinced, but I am a hypochondriac!
No matter how many times I watch a video about Martha, it will never fail to be absolutely insane to me. I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around the gross neglect of this little girl. The dismissal of Martha and the concerns of her family infuriates me to no end, especially as a mother to a daughter the same age as Martha. Martha’s parents lost their child for no reason other than incompetence and ego.
I'm an ex nurse, from QLD Australia. I was watching this video thinking I must tell her about Ryan's Rule at the end (before you mentioned it).
I'm heartbroken for Martha and her family 😢. There were SO MANY missed opportunities to save her life; starting right back at the bleeding / fever and 'medium' score. I'm surprised they laid so much blame on the utility of the PEWS. These types of charts are VERY easy to use. They're practically idiotproof!
I used to work in critical care and be involved when these types of reviews were called for. The instances of the system being abused were astonishingly rare.
That poor family, they'll never be the same and poor Martha; what a terrifying and painful way to die! Shame on her whole care team
This almost happened to me except they kept telling me my symptoms were psychological up until I was crawling on the floor soaked in my own urine. A test came back in time from 1 of 5 visits I made to the er to come back that said I was nearly septic. I’m now terrified of doctors and hospitals especially. I didn’t just get a second opinion. I was seen 5 times in 3 days.
you fought and won, saving your own life! many blessings to you 🙏
We've missed you! You're so loved ❤
very much ❤
Ah I missed you all too! ❤️
As someone who's experienced sepsis (going into septic shock), this was absolutely horrifying to hear. That poor girl. She deserved so much better. *So* much better. I'm glad a law is being rolled out, but it’s utterly tragic how long it took, and will take, something so life-saving to be implemented into hospitals.
Thank you for making these videos and shedding light on these patients' tragic experiences. They are very eye-opening. I've had my own vast difficulties with the medical system as someone with a chronic illness, so I'm glad these people can be remembered and stand as beacons for the continuing of standing up for oneself against medical professionals.
Unconscionable. Unethical. Unacceptable. RIP dear Martha & prayers of love & healing for your heartbroken family & friends. This should NEVER have happened 😓🙏🙏💜
I have been to this Hospital many times, and others within the King's trust. They are considered one of the best and biggest in south London. The NHS is on its knees. Being a patient or advocate feels like such a fight. It's exhausting, and so many people give up and get sicker or die on a waitlist. There are so many points Martha's life could have been saved. Wholly preventable death.
I know of too many people who have died of sepsis; another young girl died a couple years back from abdominal sepsis in South London, because they didn't believe her and acted too late.
I had sepsis in 2017 at 20 years old and ended up at King's; they're the ones that finally got me treated after visiting 2 other South London hospitals. It is very upsetting to hear things like this happening within local Hospitals. However, stories like this are not shocking to anyone who relies on the NHS; most of us have heard other stories like this.
More and more people are being forced to turn to private healthcare to see the same doctors they would see on the NHS, but skip the wait list. Or travel to the EU for second, third opinions and surgeries, especially for rarer conditions.
Communication is for sure the number one issue between patients and staff, as well as communication within different departments and hospitals. It's genuinely awful; every day, you hear the admin staff complaining about the outdated computer systems or that the new system is horrible. And there's no one shared system, so St Thomas' won't be able to see my King's files for example.
Being an NHS employee is very difficult (I am not one but have friends who are), so many staff members are burning out and going private or leaving healthcare altogether. Most of them are barely earning enough to get by. I know NHS staff who have been homeless and still turning up to work. Jaded, older staff will tell newer staff to NOT be empathetic, new staff get fired for trying to change things for the better. Some long term staff are totally desensitized which grossly impacts patient care. NHS staff NEED more support (more access to counselling, funds, childcare support etc.), new staff need better and longer training, they're thrown in the deep end without a raft and that can be terrifying as peoples lives are on the line. A&E is the front lines, hardcore work. GP surgeries are getting worse and worse, Doctors and patients are losing hope at this point. Could rant all day long.
God save the NHS.
(Please remember that although the NHS is free at point of access, we pay a lot of taxes that go towards our healthcare, which our government decide to keep cutting for the rich, and giving themselves bonuses and raises whilst cutting funding to vital NHS improvements)
This case hit me practicularly hard. When I was younger, I was diagnosed with a certain type of tumor after A LOT of fighting with the doctors to take my constant pain seriously. I was way out of the usual age range of the tumour and it took seeing many specialists and doctors for them to realize what was going on and start treating me. They tried doing a heat ablation (basically burning the tumor) TWICE but it failed both times which apparently is extremely rare for it to fail even once, but as you can imagine, the doctors didn't believe us when we returned and tried to tell them I was still screaming in pain every night because it was still there. They said it was just phantom pain and it would go away, and they literally called my mother delusional and tested her for munchausen by proxy, when she was the only one who kept fighting for me. It took her threathening with lawsuits for them to run the tests on me again which showed that we were, infact, not making it up. They finally did a surgery and removed the tumour but they also had to take a big part of my bone with it since it had spread so much over the FOUR YEARS doctors were ignoring us. Now, over five years later, I still can't walk properly because theres bone missing from my leg and I go to physical therapy three times a week just to be able to live as normally as I can. It's hell, and I'll never recover fully. And I was lucky af. If the tumor had been cancerous, I wouldn't be writing this now. This might have been averted if the doctors had just listened... Which brings me to Martha. She was born the same year I was and her interests and aspirations mirrored mine, and my heart breaks for her and her family. She could have been my classmate, she could have been me, she should be alive still. I can only hope that this law is able to change things and lessen these things from happening. Rest in peace, dear Martha ❤🕊
You'd think they'd be able to just measure, 3-D print and implant the missing pieces of bone, but apparently they only do that for useless animals that people feel sorry for. It's not right.
@@AnotherWittyUsername. What??? If someone puts a 3D printed part in the body, it'll trigger the body to attack it. That would never work?? What are you reading where this happened??
Edit: I suppose I should add, there are titanium and cobalt alloy parts added to bones (screws, splints, metal hips) but titanium and cobalt alloys are used for a reason. Not simple 3D printed plastic parts.
Wow. I’m so sorry that happened to you
@@danmeifan I googled it. It is being done by a company called Ossiform and many other companies like it. Medical science and technology grows by leaps and bounds every day. As for triggering the body to attack it, we've been transplanting hearts for 55+ years now (Since 1967). I'm sure doctors can figure out how to avoid rejection.
Wow Petal your annunciation of those welsh towns is very impressive welsh isn’t easy at all
Ah thank you! Pronunciations are definitely something I’ve been trying to work on improving so I really appreciate that :)
i kept getting excited and telling my partner every time i heard a welsh place name pronounced correctly. it’s actually so nice (and rare) to hear from non-welsh people!
Hi, polish viewer here, this case reminds me of the situation in Poland (the lack of doctor intervention). Due to the severe abortion restrictions patients die while doctors do nothing. I would love for someone like you to document it, but I must admit that the language barrier must be a lot.
I'm sorry your country is also experiencing such an attack on women. :( It's very sad, and a huge defeat to have lost RvW. I hope it gets better for yours and mine. Love from DC.
Not for the babies it isn’t smh @@heatherbukowski2102
I’m curious as to how restrictions on abortions is causing patients to die?
Why are patients dying because of this?
@@jbeauty4150 this has happened in the US too, and it happens because there are some circumstances in which a pregnancy can become life-threatening to the mother, but because of abortion restrictions doctors are not allowed or are perhaps just too paranoid to act (remove the fetus) until it's already too late (ie baby has died inside the mother)
This is exactly why I will create all kinds of ruckus when it comes to my health, when doctors do not listen to me. Best advice I ever got was from my family doctor, may he rest in peace, when he told me be sure you are always a loud advocate for your own health care. Even though you're not a doctor you know when something is not right with your body.
Did a fantastic job on this, and I just now seeing your channel pop up in my recommendations. You got yourself a new subscriber. Keep doing what you do!!!
I like how you start with little eulogies for the people in your videos. Focusing on the people and the brightness they brought to the world instead of just discussing the bad thing that happened to them.
god this case is so, so upsetting :(. this all totally could've been avoided if the medical team listened to the family and took them seriously and shared the information they knew
Immediately saved and so looking forward to playing this the second I get up for work tomorrow! Thank you so much for telling these stories. No one is doing it like you!!!
Ah thank you so much! Means a lot :)
I nearly died from severe anemia because my Dr did not make me aware that my Ferratin level had been low for some time.
By the time I was admitted to the hospital because I
could not breathe,with a hemoglobin level of 5. Normal is 13.7 for me. My Dr just kept telling me it was my childhood asthma resurfacing. I spent 4 days in the hospital and had 2 blood transfusions and iron infusions. Did some procedures but could not figure out why I was so low on blood. This was June 2023. It is now nearly April 2024 and I am getting iron infusions 2 times per week and they are “hoping” my body will retain the iron after my 6th infusion. They still don’t know why I cannot absorb any iron from food or supplements. I’m in the USA.
I have chrohns illness. It often prevent me from absorbing nutrients. Make them look at your intestines.
Seconding seeing a gastroenterologist. Due to celiac and other illnesses, I can't properly absorb nutrients
Get scans. If you are not maintaining iron levels with that many iron infusions you are bleeding from somewhere. With 6 infusions in 12 months it is more than just not absorbing from food intake
@@S-rk3zs I have a haital hernia but it gwas found to not be bleeding. They think it may be an issue with my bone marrow but trying the infusions first
there are transdermal vitamin patches. patchaid makes the iron ones. this might help your body absorb bc it bypasses the gut. i would recommend putting on more than one patch! they are actually very affordable.
I fell the exact same way on the naked metal handlebar of my bike when I as 10. I was on the of a dirt pile so the fall was pretty significant. I was in so much pain that I couldn't talk or even form thoughts. For 2 hours I laid unmoving on the couch.
When my came home she took one look at me, rolled her eyes and said "what now?" Completely annoyed cause I ran with the boys and I was always getting banged up. She came over to me, lifted my shirt "Sucks to be you. Can you breathe?" Barely. "You're not gonna die then" I felt like I was actually dying. Dismissed.
This was the late 80s and medical insurance was for rich people and if you even had it, the deductibles were insane. So for a family barely riding the poverty line, that was never gonna happen.
I thought I was dying for days. To this day where my ribs end at my sternum grind together. Its really unsettling so I try to avoid that for sure.
Whew that poor girl.
I've been ill for about 6 months and NO doctor takes me serious. Thank you for your channel. ❤ Very smart as you're the only channel i know of that does damage by doctors.
I’m SO glad you’re feeling good enough to post again. I can only imagine how much work and energy it takes to not only research / record these videos, but then edit / insert B roll etc, all prior to uploading. You’re a total warrior for being able to do that whilst also fighting your own battle. You’re doing a phenomenal job my friend. Thank you for your hard work and dedication !!!
Gave her medication after a trauma Injury without checking her out . Any person that knows about the human body know that anything related to the pancreas is extremely serious this shouldn’t have happened they were not prepared in any way for what was about to happen 🥺😞
Anything related to a blow to the abdomen! There’s a risk of internal bleeding, even before you get to infection/sepsis.
@@CatMom-uw9jl Yeah, severe abdominal pain after a blow to the abdomen is a huge red flag for internal bleeding. Blood is not supposed to be free in your abdomen, and your organs REALLY don’t like being around blood, severe pain is the typical response to that.
I’d have been in the ER already if the severity of the pain didn’t subside within half an hour.
Thank you for bringing light to this. I’ve worked in healthcare for years and to this day my biggest piece of advice for my patients is: ALWAYS, ALWAYS ADVOCATE FOR YOURSELF. SPEAK UP!!!
Petal....I just scrolled onto your video and was moved to tell you that, though I regularly listen/watch 5 other true crime hosts, you are the only one who speaks with perfect grammar. What a treat for me! I will definitely watch more of your videos. You tell the story thoroughly and with easy to follow verbage. Thanks!
Could I just mention how your channel is the greatest !!! As an old retired cardiac nurse here. I so miss working. For some reason, this has filled a void that retirement caused. I'm a medical nerd. Also, you are such a lovely person. I enjoy watching you as you seem like someone who I would love to hang out with.❤❤❤
You're really good at taking us through each hour, really putting us into the family's shoes, as the court case would have gone. It's harrowing to wonder throughout watching if the doctors met justice.
So lovely to see you post! I hope and pray that you are healing and will recover completely 💜❤️💜
Ah thank you! I really appreciate that ❤️
@@AnaNomas-gu9hiI'll second that 😊❤
@@PetalPalmer❤❤❤
Not Welsh but as someone who has learnt Gaeilge (irish) i was impressed with your handling of Welsh place names! Well done! The quality of your research shows. Bless you Ms Palmer, these videos are so beautifully made ❤
I've had one female family member almost killed and many others killed by our hospital due to not testing and guessing diagnoses. No clue how it hasn't been shut down with all the complaints over the years.
The hospital tried to send my niece home while she was dying, my sister fought and they allowed her to stay, but didn't do much to she was almost dead. They flew her to Denver children's hospital and they diagnosed her within minutes and treated her within hours. Saved her life but because of the delay she lost function in both kidneys and required a transplant. It's insane to ignore a child's symptoms like that