Everyone who lives here with me got sick with COVID-19. Of the four of us, I was the only one who got a flu shot. My mom and I were exposed directly with think because we were sitting next to some people (including a bunch of kids) from Wuhan on a plane, although none of them were sick. I got my flu shot at the end of September and we were on that plane in January. I had been sick with a common cold and then strep throat in mid-December, but I recovered at least a week before we were on that plane. My mom got sick first shortly after we came home from our one-day trip, then my brother got sick shortly afterwards, although he never got all that sick being the youngest one in his mid-30s. I had really bad pink eye a few days after we got back but it went away after I flushed it with a lot of eye drops for about a week. I also had an extremely dry throat to the point that I would cough and get watery eyes unless I drank gin so I drank gin obviously. To this day, my eyes are still putting out more of what I generally call eye boogers but the redness and pain has gone away. After I thought I was well from the pink eye for a week, I got a headache that I just couldn't shake no matter what I tried and a runny nose, which I attributed to allergies like I said below. Then I had diarrhea and a fever the next day, at which point I realized that I was sick again. The fourth person in our household right now is a friend of mine who is staying with us because he was living with a childhood buddy who died suddenly and so he was staying with us until he could find an apartment. He got sick with everything from the flu to at least one cold, if not two. He actually developed the pink eye before I did but it was only my mom and I who were on that plane with that class from Wuhan (very nice people, I might add, who probably knew nothing of the emerging pandemic since they recommended that we visit Wuhan if we ever went to China). In any case, my friend didn't realize he was sick until maybe five days after I had realized I was sick and I had insisted on staying away from everyone in the house when I got sick, plus I started cleaning the commonly touched surfaces after everyone else was in bed because I had been following the early reports out of China and was more concerned than everyone else around here about it. We have all come through the worst of it without having to step foot in a hospital, although I can say in hindsight that I probably almost died of this but was too stubborn to go into the hospital for fear of taking up resources. The big battle seemed to be with my immune system rather than with the virus itself. My mom and I have a rare disease that causes a lot of problems with inflammation (Dercum's disease) and that's likely what made my situation quite tenuous for about three days (starting on day ten of realizing I was sick). I almost swelled up to the point that I couldn't get pee to flow out of my bladder through my ureter because of the inflammation. I realized that if I couldn't get the inflammation out by peeing it out, I would have to go to the hospital and I have been enjoying this social distancing thing so I didn't want to go to the hospital where all the people were. I basically dehydrated myself out of that crisis. The only trouble is that the swelling seems to return as soon as I stop taking ibuprofen (which I only started taking in the first place once the pain from the swelling was so bad that I literally didn't care if taking ibuprofen killed me so long as it took some of the pain away). So there's some long-term inflammation going on here because it's been two months since I first realized that I was sick. I seem to have gotten this part worse than everyone else, although everyone else reported some oddities with their kidneys for a few days. Now maybe I got vaccinated too long before I got sick but my friend had been sick with the actual flu and still got sick with COVID-19 probably two or three weeks after he recovered from the flu. Maybe we'll be able to shed more light on this once people are exposed to COVID-19 for a second time because I really think that the body doesn't notice it for a long time when you first get it. I attribute my continued problems with inflammation to there being a lot of tissue damage from the infection and therefore a lot of clean up work to be done by my body that was already ridiculous when it comes to swelling.
@@Cat_Lady My cat got sick from me too and, same thing, she was only sick for a handful of days. I think she's probably also a Persian but just because I've never seen any other kind of cat with such thick fur, but she has a regular cat nose. She came into my apartment as a stray kitten so I got her fixed and kept her. None of the other cats got sick but she was sleeping right next to me and hanging around me a lot so that's probably why she was sick. You're lucky your doctor will listen to you when you have strep throat. I get it about yearly too. I nearly died of it the year before last because I almost always get cases that come back negative on their strep A test online to test positive in culture (if I can ever convince them to do one). I just order fish pills online like I did when I had no insurance and take them when I taste that distinct bacterial infection taste, along with having the usual signs of bacterial infection and I always take a full course because I don't want resistant bacteria any more than anyone else. I didn't get a COVID-19 test either because they weren't giving them to people who hadn't been to China, plus I wasn't very sick at first, although it was obviously something really odd that I had never had before. I also didn't want to go near a hospital because I figured that would be a good way to catch it if I had something else. I probably should have gone on day ten when I started to have problems with extreme inflammation but I was stubborn. By then, the test would have probably been negative. What I do know is that cases started compounding in my area about five days to two weeks after the last time I went downtown to hang out and the city where I went downtown has had a lot of cases and a lot of deaths. I feel really bad because I didn't feel sick at all when I went downtown but the timing is about right for me to have started the spread there.
@@Cat_Lady They just don't tend to give antibiotics to people on the poor insurance in this country without one of those terrible throat swabs. I have family members who get it no problem because they are on insurance that comes from employers. If they were really being honest in this country, they'd say that they want the poor people to die. At the same time, they want some poor people so they can make everyone so desperate for a job that they'll put up with outright abuse at their job. It's really a sad state of affairs. The line they always give me is that adults don't get strep throat very much and so it's more likely for me to be sick with a virus. I actually rarely get sick with any virus. I haven't had the flu in more than ten years and it was only recently that I started getting a flu shot. I might get a cold every 5 years or so, but I can be counted on to get sick from strep at least once a year. I meticulously wash my hands and brush my teeth, but I still end up getting sick. I didn't get sick like this when I lived alone though so I'm thinking that I'm touching something that other people who haven't washed as carefully have touched. This COVID-19 stuff was the first time I have ever had pneumonia in my life. I didn't go to the doctor for it like I should have but I have some medical training and a nice stethoscope so I heard the crackling in the bottom of both lungs, which explained why my oxygen saturation was so low. It still hasn't recovered completely, even though it's been two months.
Hydroxy Chloroquine is an Adenosine analogue that can disrupt nucleic acids too. What isn't being understood is the significant implication of Adenosine Deaminase 2 as a coupling for DPPIV/CD26. They are physically linked and SARS & MERS receptor targets. T-cell anergy and hypoxia control right there together. DPPIV is also an Angiotensin Converting Enzyme. Much more info to share.
Chloroquine in Amazonian countries has been given as an "inoculation" for ppl that have to work to exposed areas. They advise to take a dose b4 exposure, then keep a dose during and after exposure. Usually is a smaller dose that the ones that are been used in covid19 treatments. This has been for decades now and since no control has been taken, no real data has been acquired. Still no side effects has been reported so far.
The homeless population has not had the level of negative outcomes that would be expected for such a medical fragile population. Homeless and/or drug addiction could also be an interesting area to research- as both of these issues impact inflammation and immune fitness... Friends I have who work with the homeless, here in Los Angeles, and they have mentioned the severe covid19 infections are mainly with the staff, and most of the infected homeless are asymptomatic- while anecdotal, this might be something worth getting actual data on.
Having done a lot of information security consulting and digital forensics/open source intelligence work,the immunization passport idea does have way too many serious implications on a number of issues among them private security,national security and by extension security concerns on a geopolitical level. There are also grave socio-economic concerns(as touched upon in the podcast),and implications on civil liberties and democracy. I have a lot of sympathy for the arguments for this solution,but I think we need to take a step back and consider what we actually are proposing here.
Great podcast guys, I wonder if there is a scientific true in the fact that a low levels of unspecific immunity proteins can play a role in the spreading of covid-19. If so global endemic ergo cholecalciferol deficit may let overall population more susceptible to the infection? I mean because of our life style and protection against uv to prevent melanoma most population got low levels of vitamin d, which in turn may lead towards a weak immune system in the highly industrialized countries. I mean it would make sense check vit d levels in Spain and Italy versus China and see if there is a relationship in infection rate and prevalence of vitamin d deficit? Here in Catalonia we got a clinical trial going on with hydroxychloroquine lead by Dr. Oriol Mitja may be he could join you on your next pod cast! That would be nice to have a first hand of how's going on I mean reducing the infection rate seems the fastest way to control the pandemic until vaccine if ever is found.
I know SARS-CoV-2 was replicating in my gut because the first clue I had that I might actually be sick with something was diarrhea and horrendous abdominal pain. I attributed it to having eaten too much ice cream at first but the pain didn't go away and I spiked a fever the next day. I was probably sick for at least a week before that because I had a headache and a somewhat runny nose, but I thought that was probably allergies because the orange trees had just started to blossom and I'm really allergic to that pollen.
Can the virus replicate or not at a given intercellular zinc concentration? And with ionofer chemistry is it really such a big deal achieving it? We are looking at very low mortality under 50 y.o. Yes, this is outside the immune system, but Aids is handled from a multipronged perspective. Also, isn't CODEX sensitivity 100% along with specificity too? It better be given where the stock trades. And, by the way Viet Nam borders China, and we are looking at zero impact with small rounding error, and normally, without this fluke it would have been absolutely zero impact. My Asian economist says "the West is a mess because they listened to the WHO". Why protect our friend's reputations?
If I get a negative test that’s true, get exposed later an become positive it’s not logical to put millions of people to this bar of negativity in order to have a active productive society. We move day to day, what about the wind blowing the materials from point A to point B. Have you tried having it move by natural air currents.
Everyone who lives here with me got sick with COVID-19. Of the four of us, I was the only one who got a flu shot. My mom and I were exposed directly with think because we were sitting next to some people (including a bunch of kids) from Wuhan on a plane, although none of them were sick. I got my flu shot at the end of September and we were on that plane in January. I had been sick with a common cold and then strep throat in mid-December, but I recovered at least a week before we were on that plane.
My mom got sick first shortly after we came home from our one-day trip, then my brother got sick shortly afterwards, although he never got all that sick being the youngest one in his mid-30s. I had really bad pink eye a few days after we got back but it went away after I flushed it with a lot of eye drops for about a week. I also had an extremely dry throat to the point that I would cough and get watery eyes unless I drank gin so I drank gin obviously. To this day, my eyes are still putting out more of what I generally call eye boogers but the redness and pain has gone away. After I thought I was well from the pink eye for a week, I got a headache that I just couldn't shake no matter what I tried and a runny nose, which I attributed to allergies like I said below. Then I had diarrhea and a fever the next day, at which point I realized that I was sick again.
The fourth person in our household right now is a friend of mine who is staying with us because he was living with a childhood buddy who died suddenly and so he was staying with us until he could find an apartment. He got sick with everything from the flu to at least one cold, if not two. He actually developed the pink eye before I did but it was only my mom and I who were on that plane with that class from Wuhan (very nice people, I might add, who probably knew nothing of the emerging pandemic since they recommended that we visit Wuhan if we ever went to China). In any case, my friend didn't realize he was sick until maybe five days after I had realized I was sick and I had insisted on staying away from everyone in the house when I got sick, plus I started cleaning the commonly touched surfaces after everyone else was in bed because I had been following the early reports out of China and was more concerned than everyone else around here about it.
We have all come through the worst of it without having to step foot in a hospital, although I can say in hindsight that I probably almost died of this but was too stubborn to go into the hospital for fear of taking up resources. The big battle seemed to be with my immune system rather than with the virus itself. My mom and I have a rare disease that causes a lot of problems with inflammation (Dercum's disease) and that's likely what made my situation quite tenuous for about three days (starting on day ten of realizing I was sick). I almost swelled up to the point that I couldn't get pee to flow out of my bladder through my ureter because of the inflammation. I realized that if I couldn't get the inflammation out by peeing it out, I would have to go to the hospital and I have been enjoying this social distancing thing so I didn't want to go to the hospital where all the people were. I basically dehydrated myself out of that crisis. The only trouble is that the swelling seems to return as soon as I stop taking ibuprofen (which I only started taking in the first place once the pain from the swelling was so bad that I literally didn't care if taking ibuprofen killed me so long as it took some of the pain away). So there's some long-term inflammation going on here because it's been two months since I first realized that I was sick. I seem to have gotten this part worse than everyone else, although everyone else reported some oddities with their kidneys for a few days.
Now maybe I got vaccinated too long before I got sick but my friend had been sick with the actual flu and still got sick with COVID-19 probably two or three weeks after he recovered from the flu. Maybe we'll be able to shed more light on this once people are exposed to COVID-19 for a second time because I really think that the body doesn't notice it for a long time when you first get it. I attribute my continued problems with inflammation to there being a lot of tissue damage from the infection and therefore a lot of clean up work to be done by my body that was already ridiculous when it comes to swelling.
@@Cat_Lady My cat got sick from me too and, same thing, she was only sick for a handful of days. I think she's probably also a Persian but just because I've never seen any other kind of cat with such thick fur, but she has a regular cat nose. She came into my apartment as a stray kitten so I got her fixed and kept her. None of the other cats got sick but she was sleeping right next to me and hanging around me a lot so that's probably why she was sick.
You're lucky your doctor will listen to you when you have strep throat. I get it about yearly too. I nearly died of it the year before last because I almost always get cases that come back negative on their strep A test online to test positive in culture (if I can ever convince them to do one). I just order fish pills online like I did when I had no insurance and take them when I taste that distinct bacterial infection taste, along with having the usual signs of bacterial infection and I always take a full course because I don't want resistant bacteria any more than anyone else.
I didn't get a COVID-19 test either because they weren't giving them to people who hadn't been to China, plus I wasn't very sick at first, although it was obviously something really odd that I had never had before. I also didn't want to go near a hospital because I figured that would be a good way to catch it if I had something else. I probably should have gone on day ten when I started to have problems with extreme inflammation but I was stubborn. By then, the test would have probably been negative. What I do know is that cases started compounding in my area about five days to two weeks after the last time I went downtown to hang out and the city where I went downtown has had a lot of cases and a lot of deaths. I feel really bad because I didn't feel sick at all when I went downtown but the timing is about right for me to have started the spread there.
@@Cat_Lady They just don't tend to give antibiotics to people on the poor insurance in this country without one of those terrible throat swabs. I have family members who get it no problem because they are on insurance that comes from employers. If they were really being honest in this country, they'd say that they want the poor people to die. At the same time, they want some poor people so they can make everyone so desperate for a job that they'll put up with outright abuse at their job. It's really a sad state of affairs.
The line they always give me is that adults don't get strep throat very much and so it's more likely for me to be sick with a virus. I actually rarely get sick with any virus. I haven't had the flu in more than ten years and it was only recently that I started getting a flu shot. I might get a cold every 5 years or so, but I can be counted on to get sick from strep at least once a year. I meticulously wash my hands and brush my teeth, but I still end up getting sick. I didn't get sick like this when I lived alone though so I'm thinking that I'm touching something that other people who haven't washed as carefully have touched.
This COVID-19 stuff was the first time I have ever had pneumonia in my life. I didn't go to the doctor for it like I should have but I have some medical training and a nice stethoscope so I heard the crackling in the bottom of both lungs, which explained why my oxygen saturation was so low. It still hasn't recovered completely, even though it's been two months.
Hydroxy Chloroquine is an Adenosine analogue that can disrupt nucleic acids too. What isn't being understood is the significant implication of Adenosine Deaminase 2 as a coupling for DPPIV/CD26. They are physically linked and SARS & MERS receptor targets. T-cell anergy and hypoxia control right there together. DPPIV is also an Angiotensin Converting Enzyme. Much more info to share.
These podcasts are fantastic. Thank you!
Thank you. Could you list the specific subjects discussed in each episode in this series.
Chloroquine in Amazonian countries has been given as an "inoculation" for ppl that have to work to exposed areas. They advise to take a dose b4 exposure, then keep a dose during and after exposure. Usually is a smaller dose that the ones that are been used in covid19 treatments.
This has been for decades now and since no control has been taken, no real data has been acquired. Still no side effects has been reported so far.
In the literature from before the crisis, people mentioned something they called hope.
What was hope?
A) a mineral?
B) a country? or
C) a vegetable?
I would be very interested to hear more on the link between smoking / nicotine and decreased risk of severe disease.
The homeless population has not had the level of negative outcomes that would be expected for such a medical fragile population.
Homeless and/or drug addiction could also be an interesting area to research- as both of these issues impact inflammation and immune fitness...
Friends I have who work with the homeless, here in Los Angeles, and they have mentioned the severe covid19 infections are mainly with the staff, and most of the infected homeless are asymptomatic- while anecdotal, this might be something worth getting actual data on.
Michael P, I have asked this question an appreciate your sharing your knowledge on this topic.
Having done a lot of information security consulting and digital forensics/open source intelligence work,the immunization passport idea does have way too many serious implications on a number of issues among them private security,national security and by extension security concerns on a geopolitical level.
There are also grave socio-economic concerns(as touched upon in the podcast),and implications on civil liberties and democracy.
I have a lot of sympathy for the arguments for this solution,but I think we need to take a step back and consider what we actually are proposing here.
Aren't there flying "treadmills" for birds? Why not do it for bats? I mean flying into a wind etc.. Wind tunnels and so on.
What is the spelling of her name, Sydney Leifer?
Great podcast guys, I wonder if there is a scientific true in the fact that a low levels of unspecific immunity proteins can play a role in the spreading of covid-19. If so global endemic ergo cholecalciferol deficit may let overall population more susceptible to the infection? I mean because of our life style and protection against uv to prevent melanoma most population got low levels of vitamin d, which in turn may lead towards a weak immune system in the highly industrialized countries. I mean it would make sense check vit d levels in Spain and Italy versus China and see if there is a relationship in infection rate and prevalence of vitamin d deficit?
Here in Catalonia we got a clinical trial going on with hydroxychloroquine lead by Dr. Oriol Mitja may be he could join you on your next pod cast! That would be nice to have a first hand of how's going on I mean reducing the infection rate seems the fastest way to control the pandemic until vaccine if ever is found.
I know SARS-CoV-2 was replicating in my gut because the first clue I had that I might actually be sick with something was diarrhea and horrendous abdominal pain. I attributed it to having eaten too much ice cream at first but the pain didn't go away and I spiked a fever the next day. I was probably sick for at least a week before that because I had a headache and a somewhat runny nose, but I thought that was probably allergies because the orange trees had just started to blossom and I'm really allergic to that pollen.
Monoonal antibody to help?? Maybe or drugs cocktails..
Didn't Bill Gates come up with the immunity certificate idea first?
Can the virus replicate or not at a given intercellular zinc concentration? And with ionofer chemistry is it really such a big deal achieving it? We are looking at very low mortality under 50 y.o. Yes, this is outside the immune system, but Aids is handled from a multipronged perspective. Also, isn't CODEX sensitivity 100% along with specificity too? It better be given where the stock trades. And, by the way Viet Nam borders China, and we are looking at zero impact with small rounding error, and normally, without this fluke it would have been absolutely zero impact. My Asian economist says "the West is a mess because they listened to the WHO". Why protect our friend's reputations?
Surely the gut acids intestinal acidic system would destroy the virus remnant therefore viruses are not detected in the stools.
Dally, Are you familiar with the stomach flu, the stomach and intestines are full of virus and bacteria. They thrive in these conditions.
No. Incorrect. Viruses are detected in stools
If I get a negative test that’s true, get exposed later an become positive it’s not logical to put millions of people to this bar of negativity in order to have a active productive society. We move day to day, what about the wind blowing the materials from point A to point B. Have you tried having it move by natural air currents.
Just brilliant! 👌