I have a automatic 94 TwinTurbo. I keep hearing that I shouldn’t even try for 450/ 500 Horse power because the transmission can’t handle it. I would appreciate your advice on this if possible
Englashi E63AMG any day of the year bro!!! That's a fucking functional work of art man! If I couldn't find an affordable example I'd still take an E55 AMG over a Supra! To each their own
Russell Mostrom i love a good supra to bad they are expensive, if i had a choice of a E55 or a supra i would a take the supra but choosing between a e63 or a supra would really hard
It's one of the best stock engines for sure, but let's not get carried away. As low-tech and dumb as they might seem, american V8s are pretty impressive too.
I go to the track a lot and i have never seen another engine on a production car with small displacement that have run what a 2jz have run on a 1/4 mile it is amazing for the size of the engine 5.88 @ 241 mph. That os fucking great
From what I hear the JZ was designed to compete with and improve on the existing (and already strong/tunable) Nissan RB engine, being made with a thicker block, better oiling system, forged internals, harmonic balancing, cooling (especially cylinder #6) and a redesigned head. RB30s don’t take much to make good power but it’s handicapped by its rpm without bracing, and non-N1 26s have been known to fail at high power without the oil pump drive being addressed, or the overheating of the 6th cylinder. The V16x transmission used in manual A80 turbo Supras is actually the same design as the R34 GTR 6 speed manual, both being supplied by Getrag. I own an RB25DET NEO powered car and am a self confessed Nissan diehard, but I have a huge respect for what the 1 and 2JZ can do. I do love the sound of a well tuned, high revving I6
Thank god toyota and yamaha work together to create engines, even tho the 2jz was created by toyota, they took the the vision of the 1jz(toyota & yamaha collaboration) and made it better.
Wonder why the 3S-GTE doesn’t get as much love when it’s quite simply a 4cyl version of the 2JZ-GTE? I love mine. I’ve been beating on it with more than twenty pounds of boost for way over a decade and not one issue - ever.
This is kinda crazy, At 0:42 when you showed the engine bay I instantly recognized it from steel city finest ( it’s the cleanest Supra I’ve ever seen btw). I just happened to stumble across this video in recommended and to find the channel for my favorite car at the meet just blew my mind. I was pretty shocked and just felt the need to share that, oh and awesome car man
That's awesome youtube pretty much led you here. Appreciate the compliment on the car, did I talk to you at all at Steel City? I wasn't by my car much. I've got some plans for it over the winter so hopefully I have time to film it all and throw it up on here.
I thought Yamaha only designed the head? The block is what handles the power. Great combo of fantastic head design and a block with great longevity and strength. 1jz block is also on par if not stronger than a 2jzgte due to shorter thicker rods.
Toyota has worked with Yamaha a few times for GE series head flow design's 2jz, 2zz, 3S, Im not sure but I believe the 4a and the LFA's engine also, but dont quote me on those. Have to double check on those.
I used to be an import kid but grew up to be a V8 guy and I've got some questions. When I was a teenager this thing was a huge deal and I was totally in love, but later I met some engineers, read some books, did some math, and now race karts when I want to turn either direction and drag race when I want to accelerate. I want to know more about the 2JZ block and head castings. Does anyone know about how thick the cylinder walls, main web area, and deck are in a typical factory example? What material is it cast from? Like my 400 Chevy is plain old iron, but I can buy blocks that are grey iron, compacted graphite iron, and 356T6 aluminum and each material has it’s strengths and weaknesses. Does anyone know the stock deck height, like how tall the cylinder jugs are? I see it has a deep skirt block, but the mains aren't cross-bolted, and the crank case doesn't look wide enough to use four vertical studs for the caps. Are the stock caps iron or steel? What about the crank? Can anyone that’s actually had one of these blocks measured by a machine shop comment on the factory machining quality? I would guess that the strength in the crank comes from having a main journal between each rod journal with no journal long enough to support two rods, but I'm surprised by the lack of serious main cap support like a steel girdle and cross bolted mains. 700, 800, and a 1000hp is a lot of power, and a typical 6.7L Outlaw Sprint small block will do this N/A but those blocks and heads aren’t made from stock materials or dimensions. How well does all that heat transfer from the cylinders and chamber into the cooling system? It's gotta be pretty efficient or it would kill the heat treatment of the block and warp stuff. Also, it's gotta have a crazy thick deck to handle that much power with four head studs per cylinder. What about the head? I can't find reliable head flow numbers and I'd really like to see a port velocity profile showing cam lift to charge speed. Valve angle? Chamber size? Stock piston crown to head deck quench distance? Rod length? Ain't no doubt these things are BA, I'm just curious as to exactly why and can’t find a good source of real world info. In addition, I'm really curious about the whole I6 balance thing. So my machinist balances my rotating assembly or I buy a set up that's already balanced, and my engine is solid mounted to my chassis via a huge aluminum plate, yet it spins super smooth. If you figure a four stroke engine takes 720 degrees to fully fire and exhaust all cylinders and divide by the total number of cylinders, you get an even fire when the I6 crank has 120* throws just like when a V8 crank has 90* throws. The weird vibraty one happens when they put a flat plane crank in, so I'm wondering how this is any smoother than any other even-fire engine.
Janet Storkmuncher Did you not listen to the video? Its a cast iron block inline 6. Came stock with forged Crank and connecting rods. You wont find many stock Gm or Ford motors with forged internals right out of the box. Sure there are far more Ford n GM motors n parts in scrap yards. But like I said every 2JZ has forged internals.
Who cares about internals? Did you read my questions and can you answer any of them? Why is a "cast iron block inline six" so special? Just because it's stronger than a 60 year old van engine? Yeah GM and Ford have so much displacement, but who cares when their V8s are smaller on the outside *and* lighter than a 2JZ? Why's everyone so obsessed with VE anyway? Everything out there is stuck at 30% thermal efficiency so it's always a race to the bottom. According to ASTM standards a block cast from A357 T6 aluminum alloy should have a tensile strength greater than *45,000psi* and a density of 0.0965 lb/in³ www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?matguid=b977e6cf90c24e7dbf0bc4ccac056253&ckck=1 According to ASTM standards a block cast from G3000 iron (This would be some high end stuff!) would have a tensile strength greater than *30,000psi* and a density of 0.258 lb/in³ www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=d4ad07e580704c4fbf0313e3cf96f674 *357T6 aluminum is stronger and lighter and dissipates heat faster, so why does being iron help the 2JZ?* *And why does it being an I6 help?* I guess being super long makes more power? Maybe each rod having it's own crank main bearing is helpful, but how do we know that they didn't get their raw steel forgings from China, just like everyone else? Does anyone know what alloy the factory internals are forged from? *Magic pixie dust for sure.* I hear it's "so well balanced", but no one can explain why. Math and the universe say it's no better than a 90* V8 with a crossplane crank because 720/8 = 90 just like 720/6 = 120. They can both easily be balanced but no 2JZ fan can tell me to what gram(s) their factory rotating assembly is balanced to. *What if it's just a big heavy turd that's been dressed up with DOHCs, 24 valves, and giant turbos so silly 90's magazines can sell.* It's not like Japan ever let the NASCAR guys into JGTC, and you don't see this stuff in FD anymore... wonder why? And who cares about stock cast internals? My 406 Chevy has forged internals, 270cfm heads, and a .580" lift cam. I can't go bigger on cam or tighter than about 11:1 compression because it'll make enough power naturally aspirated to pound the forged crank right out the bottom of my stock 45 year old block. I'm asking about the block and head and why everyone thinks this engine is so great. So far I'm not convinced *BECAUSE NO ONE ACTUALLY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT IT.* There is so much praise out there, and yet I don't see any hard info or analysis anywhere.
Here is a flat top Wiseco setup for a 6.6L Chevy for $1100. If you want a forged crank it's about $400 more. skipwhiteperformance.com/catalog/sbc-chevy-406-assembly-scat-crank-6-rods-wiseco-flat-top-4155-pistons-400-mj_85262/
Almost all 1960s muscle car had forged internals, high nickel iron blocks with thick decks that are more closed off then the 2jz, some even had nodular iron cranks and main caps. Sure the rods are forged on a 2jz but they're still pencil thin and combined with the fact it has two less rods and pistons to distribute load through so most of the outrageous power claims are just dyno queens and if you pulled the head you'd see stress cracks around the decks bolt holes. Also they heat soak after one or two 1/4 passes even at 700hp so there not realistically able to make big power for anything but drag racing just like a chevy 383 can rev to 9,500rpm but only for a 1/4 mile. If you tried to SCCA endurance race a 2JZ it would blow up at anything over 600hp and thats assuming it had all the best supporting mods to keep it cool and that not impressive because a 2JZ-gte weighs 600lbs which is heavier then a old corvette all iron small block chevy 327 at 535lbs or a newer LS at 425lbs both of which can reliability make 600hp in race trim and go full tilt for a 24h SCCA endurance race.
The cast aluminum pistons have slightly dished top heads which gathers a lower compression ratio. From performance standpoint it’s a disadvantage but a benefit of low compression from the factory means that it makes it easier to safely run more turbo boost.
The quote on quote Gentlemen's Agreement makes this engine low-powered but overbuilt.. low compression means longer life and the cast iron block makes it Bulletproof.. also I believe the 2JZ with vvt-i is an interference engine
that dragstrip the black supra launched at is at my hometown dragstrip called shadyside dragway in boiling springs n.c.,come on down and see what the traction buffs can do for ur 60ft times with this great sticky track
Bought my '02 IS300 5-spd new. It now has 300,000 "driven like a banshee" miles on it. Still runs like new. The most fun-to-drive and reliable car I've ever owned!
Bro nice to see you!!!! Randomly stumbled upon your channel and recognized you like 3 minutes in haha. I’m the one who bought those wheels off of you for my stealth. Awesome content
lol that's awesome that a random TH-cam session brought you here. I'm just waiting for winter to be over so I can get the car out on the street again! Do you still have the TT stealth?
Tuner Test Drive of course! I fell into miata land because of how cheap and fun they are. I have one bone stock i might autox in stock class (autox is lame) , and put a shitty little turbo setup on my other one for like 800$ haha.
That's why Keiichi tsuchiya said in one of Hot version episodes "i feel like I drive an American car" when he tested a tuned supra with well balanced suspension and aerodynamics and it was less than 700hp.
You said balance of the rotating assembly but the reason for that is not only because it's a inline. Another huge reason is your bore to stroke is almost identical.
It is identical. 86mm bore and 86mm stroke. Now RBs or at least RB26 has a 86mm bore to a 73mm stroke which give it a smaller displacement but also a slightly higher redline
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Hector is gonna be running 3 Honda Civic's with spoon engines. On top of that he just came into Harry's and ordered 3 t66 turbo's with NOS's and a Motec System Exhaust. 😁😂🤣🖕
(post street race) Brian: Dude I almost had you. Dominic: You almost had me!? You never had me you never had your car. Crowd: Oooo! lmao Dominic Granny shifting not double clutching like you should. luckily that 100 shit of NOS ain't blow the welds on the intake!
It's cast iron block has crazy thick walls.... which is why the block is so bloody heavy. But if you want to run big boost or you are racing it for 12hrs straight, having a solid block is the only way to go.
VG went faster with less HP and set the Bonneville record....a VG....lol
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"Basically" but not really. The saying still remains..."No replacement for displacement." Same amount of boost on an engine with more n/a displacement will yield more power. NO REPLACEMENT
The Ford Australian built I6 is the replacement for this old 2j. The problem for many is it’s the engine you will never have.... They are getting shoved into supras, skylines, old school everything and pushing 550kw to the wheels with just heavy valve springs and fuel system. Ford had turbocharged their I6 back in 1985, it was twin turbo and all wheel drive.
It also helps when a lot of aftermarket parts are available. Some south African guys when into the 5s with an m88 based motor recently. That's an 80s bmw engine! And I know a lot of bloke making 500-600 bhp with m30b35 motors. Don't doubt the jz series engines of course. I just think that cast iron straight sixes don't all have to be them. Since there are others that do pretty damn well. Especially cost wise.
There's some modern 8-cylinder engines that make a LOT more power with small PSI adders. But that's not to diminish the forward thinking of Toyota in the 90's.
Offset pistons for better timing gravity correlating in dive time throttle gear drop. Cheeky injections for each piston; add pressure regulators with chip adapter in lines in fuel tank and transmission; engine choke protocol. Third injections with pressure regulator in lines before the intake manifold in turbo entry. Midway down exhaust manifolds a pressure regulator with turbo exhaust regulator sensor and chip regulator, in catalytic pipe regulator choke systems adapter downshift breaking protocol in the exhaust; Retraction/Expansion Exhaust Regulator system for interval engine breaking or acceleration. For better pipe respiratory air flow. NO3 release valves with regulator chip adapters on all intake lines in engine. Double tank lines leading to four pressurized tanks in trunk. Program systems with modes to computer adaptable programs. A4-Wheel drive traction. Rear light break drums wide wheel space in back and 1/2 of disk breaks in front... adapter regulators chips for breaking regulation system pressure safety in timing and usage.
Currently Pushing 400rwkw with stock gte bottom, fully built ge headwork with kelford 272/78 cams, 1000cc injectors only a t3 Garret AR 70 lol in my mkiv. No need to Forge bottom end up to 700hp
This is correct . If you have a bullet proof block with forged crack and double the number of main bearings and all forged internals there is nothing to go wrong. So you can simply pump up the boost swap injectors and fuel pump and you are ready to fly.
Got a question. Say I bought a Lexus, A 2001-2005 GS430 to be exact, for a cheap daily driver. Could I buy a 2JZ and drop it in there? I hear people only buy the v6 variant if they plan on doing the swap. Right now I don't make much, just graduated college. My next car will most likely be a Lexus GS430. Reliable, Luxury, and standard V8. However, i figure a swap could happen in the future. If not, is there anything you can do to the GS 430 to make it faster?
The 2JZ-GE is just as good if not better than the GTE in standard form since the head flows far better. Apart from the pistons, headgasket and oil squirters the long block shares the same crank and rods. Massive misconception on strength between the two. The 2JZ in all variants are strong and reliable. Stock RB's on the otherhand...
Good video. I'm buying the engine and putting it into my MG ZR. Just not sure whether I should buy the transmission from the supra n replace my mg zr or not. Your thoughts?
first off lets not make the 2jz-ge seem inferior based off the intro. they share identical blocks and cranks aside from the oil squirters. And for high HP supra's some of them actually delete the oil squirters because they want that additional oil pressure circulating through out other parts of the block. Since they share the same crank it really just comes down to the design of the pistons between the two ( GE being higher compression ). The thing is the 2JZ-GE is actually a great value. you can buy them for pretty cheap and put some pistons and rods in them have some good machine work done and you'll of spent about the same amount of money as a stock used GTE. Obviously if its a big deal that you have the oil squirters i guess that can factor in. but the GE's will take a beating and keep going.
Agreed. If your plan is to have the block built, a GE block is fine. I'd swap out the GE head for a GTE just for the wider variety of cam, manifold, turbo kit selections though.
I wish Toyota would sell the 1jz and 2jz brand new from the dealership. I think they would make alot of money. I know if I could order this engine new from Toyota I'd order 2!
Buying a Supra? Check my Buyer's guide so you don't end up like Brian O'Conner and end up with an NA 2JZ-GE.
th-cam.com/video/u_8B3lOAP9A/w-d-xo.html
Tuner Test Drive ha ha ha so true
what is the best years of this engine to look for/ is there any serial # on the block I'd need at the junk yard ?
“Buying guide for a supra” have deep ass pockets.
How many miles would a stock 2JZ last if maintained properly? In your opinion? I'm tired of looking four numbers online
I have a automatic 94 TwinTurbo. I keep hearing that I shouldn’t even try for 450/ 500 Horse power because the transmission can’t handle it. I would appreciate your advice on this if possible
Its not underpowered, Its Over engineered!
Lol only thing overengineered are the fucking euro trash
Overbuilt not overengineered.
Eric Kindel m3 or e63 amg over any American car
Englashi E63AMG any day of the year bro!!! That's a fucking functional work of art man! If I couldn't find an affordable example I'd still take an E55 AMG over a Supra! To each their own
Russell Mostrom i love a good supra to bad they are expensive, if i had a choice of a E55 or a supra i would a take the supra but choosing between a e63 or a supra would really hard
The 2jz is just one of the greatest engines ever!
It will decimate all...
Maybe Japan’s greatest of the 90s. Still arguable.
It's an 03/04....13/14 cobra/Shelby's worst nightmare
It's one of the best stock engines for sure, but let's not get carried away. As low-tech and dumb as they might seem, american V8s are pretty impressive too.
Yes it is the best engine, agree with you 💯 %
2jz Is just the best engine in the planet 🌎 toyota for life..
It's a great engine for sure 👍
supra87turbo one of them.....but not the best ever....vgs are strong as well
get out Hassan.
LeCoureurDesBois naaah....I'm in
I go to the track a lot and i have never seen another engine on a production car with small displacement that have run what a 2jz have run on a 1/4 mile it is amazing for the size of the engine 5.88 @ 241 mph. That os fucking great
I have always liked that in FnF they are all surprised to see a 2JZ under the hood of a supra. ... like what were they expecting to find?
Nice video.
So basically... it can take massive boost :)
Also shows you that (often) simple, good design and solid quality are still a winning recipe.
As a person that has built more than a hand full of those cars a while back you hit every key point needed. Keep up the great videos
Appreciate it! The 3.0 I6 is just a great design for power and longevity.
*The 2JZ-GE isn't so much of a joke these days, as people have learned THEY ARE THE SAME BUILT BY THE SAME PEOPLE with just a few upgrades.*
2 jay-Z with Nas
Haha You know your memes 👍
Nas won
George Quattrovalvole for all stupid people who dont understand this meme..
this guy write 2jz with nos based on the man in this video pronounced
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Legend has it 2jz was created by the gods!!
Fact has it 2JZ was created by Asians. I think it's fair to say Toyota was created by the Gods.
Jonathan Irizarry smh..... god's?... let's not get carried away.... it's only a car....
It's only a car bruh.....like I told your buddy.... let's not trip over something that's beatable and is at it's best....metal....
Hassan Talib come on that was just metaphorical 😑 you're taking it way too seriously.
Imteyaz Yousuf that's how I get bro.....like I said.... it's only a car so there's.no need for all that god's talk....
From what I hear the JZ was designed to compete with and improve on the existing (and already strong/tunable) Nissan RB engine, being made with a thicker block, better oiling system, forged internals, harmonic balancing, cooling (especially cylinder #6) and a redesigned head. RB30s don’t take much to make good power but it’s handicapped by its rpm without bracing, and non-N1 26s have been known to fail at high power without the oil pump drive being addressed, or the overheating of the 6th cylinder.
The V16x transmission used in manual A80 turbo Supras is actually the same design as the R34 GTR 6 speed manual, both being supplied by Getrag.
I own an RB25DET NEO powered car and am a self confessed Nissan diehard, but I have a huge respect for what the 1 and 2JZ can do. I do love the sound of a well tuned, high revving I6
You put the knowledge I wanted from the title, in the description. Huge thanks. Nice video and editing.
I try to stuff the descriptions with as much info as I can. Not a fan of videos that have nothing in the descriptions.
Awesome video. I see you have 1k. Definitely thought you’d had more. Nice video man. I hit the red button
Reliability, quality and durability. Pretty much sums it up
Thank god toyota and yamaha work together to create engines, even tho the 2jz was created by toyota, they took the the vision of the 1jz(toyota & yamaha collaboration) and made it better.
You know what also is a yamaha/toyota Collab?
Lexus Lfa
I love my Yamaha/Toyota 3S-GTEs.
I watched the whole video from beginning to end.. great video
very informative and straight to the point. Great vid man !
Wonder why the 3S-GTE doesn’t get as much love when it’s quite simply a 4cyl version of the 2JZ-GTE? I love mine. I’ve been beating on it with more than twenty pounds of boost for way over a decade and not one issue - ever.
It's kinda like 2/3 of the cool motor; rather than 2j being 150% of the 3sgte
Thanks pal. Great video.
A nice and informative video, would be cool to get a video like this for all performance or popular engines, cheers!
This is kinda crazy,
At 0:42 when you showed the engine bay I instantly recognized it from steel city finest ( it’s the cleanest Supra I’ve ever seen btw). I just happened to stumble across this video in recommended and to find the channel for my favorite car at the meet just blew my mind. I was pretty shocked and just felt the need to share that, oh and awesome car man
That's awesome youtube pretty much led you here. Appreciate the compliment on the car, did I talk to you at all at Steel City? I wasn't by my car much. I've got some plans for it over the winter so hopefully I have time to film it all and throw it up on here.
No, I don’t think we talked at steel city finest, but if I see you again at a meet I’ll be sure to say hi
Because Yamaha design
Exactly!
I thought Yamaha only designed the head? The block is what handles the power. Great combo of fantastic head design and a block with great longevity and strength. 1jz block is also on par if not stronger than a 2jzgte due to shorter thicker rods.
Toyota has worked with Yamaha a few times for GE series head flow design's 2jz, 2zz, 3S, Im not sure but I believe the 4a and the LFA's engine also, but dont quote me on those. Have to double check on those.
R3d i thought im the only one who knew this
yamaha been working with toyota since 2000GT
Toyota needz. To make more 2JZ cars
The japanese economic bubble contributed to the support of why Toyota had the money to invest in R&D for such an engine
Thanks for the input. It seemed like this was common of all Japanese manufactures during this timeframe they were all producing great cars. 👍
Japan spoiled every niche of the tuner market in the 90’s. Skylines, Silvias, Supras, MR2, NSX, RX-7 FD, WRX, Lancer EVO, the list goes on.
Nothing wrong with a good v8 a real enthusiast doesn't shit on another just because he she doesn't agree withe their tast
Usa invested in aftermarket R&D
Good old times...
Great video and nice Supra! View from Swiss
Toyotas 2jz and fords barra and both amazing engines
I used to be an import kid but grew up to be a V8 guy and I've got some questions. When I was a teenager this thing was a huge deal and I was totally in love, but later I met some engineers, read some books, did some math, and now race karts when I want to turn either direction and drag race when I want to accelerate.
I want to know more about the 2JZ block and head castings.
Does anyone know about how thick the cylinder walls, main web area, and deck are in a typical factory example? What material is it cast from? Like my 400 Chevy is plain old iron, but I can buy blocks that are grey iron, compacted graphite iron, and 356T6 aluminum and each material has it’s strengths and weaknesses. Does anyone know the stock deck height, like how tall the cylinder jugs are? I see it has a deep skirt block, but the mains aren't cross-bolted, and the crank case doesn't look wide enough to use four vertical studs for the caps. Are the stock caps iron or steel? What about the crank?
Can anyone that’s actually had one of these blocks measured by a machine shop comment on the factory machining quality? I would guess that the strength in the crank comes from having a main journal between each rod journal with no journal long enough to support two rods, but I'm surprised by the lack of serious main cap support like a steel girdle and cross bolted mains. 700, 800, and a 1000hp is a lot of power, and a typical 6.7L Outlaw Sprint small block will do this N/A but those blocks and heads aren’t made from stock materials or dimensions. How well does all that heat transfer from the cylinders and chamber into the cooling system? It's gotta be pretty efficient or it would kill the heat treatment of the block and warp stuff. Also, it's gotta have a crazy thick deck to handle that much power with four head studs per cylinder.
What about the head?
I can't find reliable head flow numbers and I'd really like to see a port velocity profile showing cam lift to charge speed. Valve angle? Chamber size? Stock piston crown to head deck quench distance? Rod length? Ain't no doubt these things are BA, I'm just curious as to exactly why and can’t find a good source of real world info.
In addition, I'm really curious about the whole I6 balance thing. So my machinist balances my rotating assembly or I buy a set up that's already balanced, and my engine is solid mounted to my chassis via a huge aluminum plate, yet it spins super smooth. If you figure a four stroke engine takes 720 degrees to fully fire and exhaust all cylinders and divide by the total number of cylinders, you get an even fire when the I6 crank has 120* throws just like when a V8 crank has 90* throws. The weird vibraty one happens when they put a flat plane crank in, so I'm wondering how this is any smoother than any other even-fire engine.
Janet Storkmuncher Did you not listen to the video?
Its a cast iron block inline 6. Came stock with forged Crank and connecting rods.
You wont find many stock Gm or Ford motors with forged internals right out of the box. Sure there are far more Ford n GM motors n parts in scrap yards. But like I said every 2JZ has forged internals.
Just think how much it costs to buy all forged rotating assembly. Crank, Rods and Pistons.
Who cares about internals? Did you read my questions and can you answer any of them?
Why is a "cast iron block inline six" so special? Just because it's stronger than a 60 year old van engine? Yeah GM and Ford have so much displacement, but who cares when their V8s are smaller on the outside *and* lighter than a 2JZ? Why's everyone so obsessed with VE anyway? Everything out there is stuck at 30% thermal efficiency so it's always a race to the bottom.
According to ASTM standards a block cast from A357 T6 aluminum alloy should have a tensile strength greater than *45,000psi* and a density of 0.0965 lb/in³
www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?matguid=b977e6cf90c24e7dbf0bc4ccac056253&ckck=1
According to ASTM standards a block cast from G3000 iron (This would be some high end stuff!) would have a tensile strength greater than *30,000psi* and a density of 0.258 lb/in³
www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=d4ad07e580704c4fbf0313e3cf96f674
*357T6 aluminum is stronger and lighter and dissipates heat faster, so why does being iron help the 2JZ?*
*And why does it being an I6 help?* I guess being super long makes more power? Maybe each rod having it's own crank main bearing is helpful, but how do we know that they didn't get their raw steel forgings from China, just like everyone else? Does anyone know what alloy the factory internals are forged from? *Magic pixie dust for sure.*
I hear it's "so well balanced", but no one can explain why. Math and the universe say it's no better than a 90* V8 with a crossplane crank because 720/8 = 90 just like 720/6 = 120. They can both easily be balanced but no 2JZ fan can tell me to what gram(s) their factory rotating assembly is balanced to.
*What if it's just a big heavy turd that's been dressed up with DOHCs, 24 valves, and giant turbos so silly 90's magazines can sell.* It's not like Japan ever let the NASCAR guys into JGTC, and you don't see this stuff in FD anymore... wonder why?
And who cares about stock cast internals? My 406 Chevy has forged internals, 270cfm heads, and a .580" lift cam. I can't go bigger on cam or tighter than about 11:1 compression because it'll make enough power naturally aspirated to pound the forged crank right out the bottom of my stock 45 year old block. I'm asking about the block and head and why everyone thinks this engine is so great. So far I'm not convinced *BECAUSE NO ONE ACTUALLY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT IT.*
There is so much praise out there, and yet I don't see any hard info or analysis anywhere.
Here is a flat top Wiseco setup for a 6.6L Chevy for $1100. If you want a forged crank it's about $400 more.
skipwhiteperformance.com/catalog/sbc-chevy-406-assembly-scat-crank-6-rods-wiseco-flat-top-4155-pistons-400-mj_85262/
Almost all 1960s muscle car had forged internals, high nickel iron blocks with thick decks that are more closed off then the 2jz, some even had nodular iron cranks and main caps. Sure the rods are forged on a 2jz but they're still pencil thin and combined with the fact it has two less rods and pistons to distribute load through so most of the outrageous power claims are just dyno queens and if you pulled the head you'd see stress cracks around the decks bolt holes. Also they heat soak after one or two 1/4 passes even at 700hp so there not realistically able to make big power for anything but drag racing just like a chevy 383 can rev to 9,500rpm but only for a 1/4 mile. If you tried to SCCA endurance race a 2JZ it would blow up at anything over 600hp and thats assuming it had all the best supporting mods to keep it cool and that not impressive because a 2JZ-gte weighs 600lbs which is heavier then a old corvette all iron small block chevy 327 at 535lbs or a newer LS at 425lbs both of which can reliability make 600hp in race trim and go full tilt for a 24h SCCA endurance race.
I hate how much people talk about this thing now but I’m glad everyone likes it for the same reasons lol
That's why Toyota supra is still can match Itself in current days
Keep em coming i really liked you'r voice and you'r camera presence! Best of luck. hope you make it big
That 73 donk with that 2jz engine is ridiculously fast!!!!
great video man🔥
The 2JZ was designed to run forever stock, and you could hammer on all day. Notice the main skirts, looks familiar
Toyota will always make strong, built to last engines.
Except......in the new Supra, which will be powered by a BMW I6 engine
@@TunerTestDrive and the gt86 which has a subaru power plant
The cast aluminum pistons have slightly dished top heads which gathers a lower compression ratio. From performance standpoint it’s a disadvantage but a benefit of low compression from the factory means that it makes it easier to safely run more turbo boost.
The pistons are cast; however, they are hypereutectic - silicon additions around 15-20% help increase strength.
Yes, high silicon content, cast aluminum alloy
The quote on quote Gentlemen's Agreement makes this engine low-powered but overbuilt.. low compression means longer life and the cast iron block makes it Bulletproof.. also I believe the 2JZ with vvt-i is an interference engine
Na it’s still non interference. The 1uz with vvti is interference vs the non vvti which isn’t though
that dragstrip the black supra launched at is at my hometown dragstrip called shadyside dragway in boiling springs n.c.,come on down and see what the traction buffs can do for ur 60ft times with this great sticky track
Great vid, makes alot more sense, thanks man
Master piece of engineering.
Everything Toyota builds is bullet proof!!
Bought my '02 IS300 5-spd new. It now has 300,000 "driven like a banshee" miles on it. Still runs like new. The most fun-to-drive and reliable car I've ever owned!
I know the engine can reach a million miles, but I never hear about the transmission... still the original?
Good basic rundown bro,
Keep it up
Apppreciate the feedback, thanks for stopping by.
Block developed by KMF/Thyssen Germany and Head by Yamaha Japan.
Interesting. I thought Toyota made everything from the factory?
Bro nice to see you!!!! Randomly stumbled upon your channel and recognized you like 3 minutes in haha. I’m the one who bought those wheels off of you for my stealth. Awesome content
lol that's awesome that a random TH-cam session brought you here. I'm just waiting for winter to be over so I can get the car out on the street again! Do you still have the TT stealth?
Tuner Test Drive of course! I fell into miata land because of how cheap and fun they are. I have one bone stock i might autox in stock class (autox is lame) , and put a shitty little turbo setup on my other one for like 800$ haha.
Great review. :)
im pretty sure even today toyota is still obbsessed with reliability, durability etc.
That's why Keiichi tsuchiya said in one of Hot version episodes "i feel like I drive an American car" when he tested a tuned supra with well balanced suspension and aerodynamics and it was less than 700hp.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
- Thanos
The aluminum oil pan baffle/bracing is tough too.
2jz's are coo for what they are. I'm A F20c guy myself.
I got a 92 SC300...2jz for life
J.J. K.
Me 2 but i got a 95 sc300
Yup! Renaissance Red 95 SC3 pilot here :)
J.J. K. I have a 2005 IS300 factory 5 speed. These w58 transmissions aren't worth a shit though. Can't handle much power.
Very true! I have the factory 5 speed, hope to replace my w58 one day too. Go with R154 maybe?
J.J. K. I'm probably gonna go t56 since I have two of them already lol
Great presentation other than...
You failed to mention the magical music it produces !!!
One of the best sounding engine for sure.
The Toyota Supra engine is powerful because it is made of vibranium :D
"Holy fucking shit!" "Goddamn!" 😂
I love my 2jz, installed in the truck pictured.
Probably sounds awesome spooling up.
95 e36 328is came with a inline 6 iron block as well and the n54 335i is wat I call the modern 2jz
2jz-Gte
Thanos can't kill this.
You said balance of the rotating assembly but the reason for that is not only because it's a inline. Another huge reason is your bore to stroke is almost identical.
It is identical. 86mm bore and 86mm stroke. Now RBs or at least RB26 has a 86mm bore to a 73mm stroke which give it a smaller displacement but also a slightly higher redline
Toyota Supra is the best car man ever built period
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Hector is gonna be running 3 Honda Civic's with spoon engines. On top of that he just came into Harry's and ordered 3 t66 turbo's with NOS's and a Motec System Exhaust. 😁😂🤣🖕
Luckily I have an open tab at Harry's. Lol
I'm gonna run a Gallo 24 with NOS, and I'm gonna run it tonight.
Damn, did you memorize that damn movies lines beginning to end?
Nice!!!
(post street race) Brian: Dude I almost had you. Dominic: You almost had me!? You never had me you never had your car. Crowd: Oooo! lmao Dominic Granny shifting not double clutching like you should. luckily that 100 shit of NOS ain't blow the welds on the intake!
I love when fellow supra channels pop up on my feed. sub'd
You can in fact add quite a few aftermarket cam options and keep it a non-inference engine.
So it's basically a better gas version of the 24 valve cummins but 12v is best
Proud stock bottom end 550hp @ crank GTE owner 4 years strong
At that level the bottom has no problem being beat on everyday. IS300 I assume?
Almost lol, IS200 SXE10 chassis, R154 w/OS Giken twin & IS300 diff.
the engine of zeus
Roadkill Pursuit maybe
Can you please make a video on the GE??
It's cast iron block has crazy thick walls.... which is why the block is so bloody heavy. But if you want to run big boost or you are racing it for 12hrs straight, having a solid block is the only way to go.
Ls 2j and 12v are the engines of the gods
i know it's a billet 2jz engine but Zoian racing went 5.660 @255 mph. thats extreme promod territory. not bad for a 3.2 or 187 cubic inch inline 6 lol
Very impressive for an inline 6!
Boost is basically displacement. Smaller engines only get cred when they are NA
cubic inch....
VG went faster with less HP and set the Bonneville record....a VG....lol
"Basically" but not really. The saying still remains..."No replacement for displacement." Same amount of boost on an engine with more n/a displacement will yield more power. NO REPLACEMENT
Might as well post a link to the article you were reading lol! Good video and info regardless✌🏼
Aye why is this tight channel so underr8red? Wtf dude u need a shoutout or sth! This vid i so littt btw
Great video 👍👍👍👍
All the same can be sed for the LS 4.8 and 5.3. engines can be built right from the factory. Lots of good points in this vid.
That launch tho. Mean!
The Ford Australian built I6 is the replacement for this old 2j. The problem for many is it’s the engine you will never have.... They are getting shoved into supras, skylines, old school everything and pushing 550kw to the wheels with just heavy valve springs and fuel system. Ford had turbocharged their I6 back in 1985, it was twin turbo and all wheel drive.
It also helps when a lot of aftermarket parts are available.
Some south African guys when into the 5s with an m88 based motor recently. That's an 80s bmw engine! And I know a lot of bloke making 500-600 bhp with m30b35 motors. Don't doubt the jz series engines of course. I just think that cast iron straight sixes don't all have to be them. Since there are others that do pretty damn well. Especially cost wise.
2jz an rb28, the sounds of heaven must be very similar
The Toyota Aristo/Lexus GS have the same heart as the Supra, but many Supra fans don't know that if they look into it.
There's some modern 8-cylinder engines that make a LOT more power with small PSI adders. But that's not to diminish the forward thinking of Toyota in the 90's.
Offset pistons for better timing gravity correlating in dive time throttle gear drop. Cheeky injections for each piston; add pressure regulators with chip adapter in lines in fuel tank and transmission; engine choke protocol. Third injections with pressure regulator in lines before the intake manifold in turbo entry. Midway down exhaust manifolds a pressure regulator with turbo exhaust regulator sensor and chip regulator, in catalytic pipe regulator choke systems adapter downshift breaking protocol in the exhaust; Retraction/Expansion Exhaust Regulator system for interval engine breaking or acceleration. For better pipe respiratory air flow. NO3 release valves with regulator chip adapters on all intake lines in engine. Double tank lines leading to four pressurized tanks in trunk. Program systems with modes to computer adaptable programs. A4-Wheel drive traction. Rear light break drums wide wheel space in back and 1/2 of disk breaks in front... adapter regulators chips for breaking regulation system pressure safety in timing and usage.
Currently Pushing 400rwkw with stock gte bottom, fully built ge headwork with kelford 272/78 cams, 1000cc injectors only a t3 Garret AR 70 lol in my mkiv. No need to Forge bottom end up to 700hp
got 2jz in the 1978 grand wagoneer its a killer .........i live in iran
Dope video, nice 👌
This is correct . If you have a bullet proof block with forged crack and double the number of main bearings and all forged internals there is nothing to go wrong. So you can simply pump up the boost swap injectors and fuel pump and you are ready to fly.
That recipe seems to work well on these engines.
Yamaha has been in on a lot of great engines the ZR1 Corvette and the SHO Taurus are another couple.
Its a great engine because it was basically detuned for the streets... it was made to handle all the horsepower that only now can be seen
Got a question. Say I bought a Lexus, A 2001-2005 GS430 to be exact, for a cheap daily driver. Could I buy a 2JZ and drop it in there? I hear people only buy the v6 variant if they plan on doing the swap.
Right now I don't make much, just graduated college. My next car will most likely be a Lexus GS430. Reliable, Luxury, and standard V8. However, i figure a swap could happen in the future.
If not, is there anything you can do to the GS 430 to make it faster?
People have swapped a 2JZ into those cars. I don't know much about them though.
The 2JZ-GE is just as good if not better than the GTE in standard form since the head flows far better.
Apart from the pistons, headgasket and oil squirters the long block shares the same crank and rods.
Massive misconception on strength between the two. The 2JZ in all variants are strong and reliable.
Stock RB's on the otherhand...
Another common misconception is reliability.
Good video.
I'm buying the engine and putting it into my MG ZR.
Just not sure whether I should buy the transmission from the supra n replace my mg zr or not.
Your thoughts?
Ugh they need to make this again...
You forgot to mention it comes standard with oil squirters that spray oil on the bottom of the pistons. 😀
good vid
Im in love with my 2002 gs300 ❤❤
first off lets not make the 2jz-ge seem inferior based off the intro. they share identical blocks and cranks aside from the oil squirters. And for high HP supra's some of them actually delete the oil squirters because they want that additional oil pressure circulating through out other parts of the block.
Since they share the same crank it really just comes down to the design of the pistons between the two ( GE being higher compression ).
The thing is the 2JZ-GE is actually a great value. you can buy them for pretty cheap and put some pistons and rods in them have some good machine work done and you'll of spent about the same amount of money as a stock used GTE. Obviously if its a big deal that you have the oil squirters i guess that can factor in. but the GE's will take a beating and keep going.
Agreed. If your plan is to have the block built, a GE block is fine. I'd swap out the GE head for a GTE just for the wider variety of cam, manifold, turbo kit selections though.
I love inline 6s even more
Non-interference motor is so friggin awesome.
not the last year 98
I believe the bore n stroke is like a "square", 86x86 or something, hence big hp numbers.
Yes it definitely is a square engine design.
I wish Toyota would sell the 1jz and 2jz brand new from the dealership. I think they would make alot of money. I know if I could order this engine new from Toyota I'd order 2!
Great Info. Like
Appreciate it man, thanks.