Cheers. Voivod are very underrated as you say. Highly reccomend checking out Nuerosis. Unfirtunatley their two best albums 'Times of Grace' and 'Through Silver In Blood' are not available on Spotify so you'll have to check them out on TH-cam instead
With Pantera what people don't consider is how young they were when they started and their influences were Kiss and Van Halen, and the music they played reflected what they listened to. Then they discovered Metallica and that influenced their change in style. When I first started listening to metal in 1982-1983 it was Priest, Maiden, Dio, Ozzy, Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, and Dokken. If I started a band then that's what I would have sounded like, by 1984 I discovered Slayer, Venom, Celtic Frost, Mercyful Fate, Sodom and that's what I was really into. By 1986 I was a full on Thrasher/Hardcore Punk. I had stopped listening to all my first bands and was hungrier for faster and heavier music, and that lead me to Cryptic Slaughter, DRI, Septic Death, Cro-mags, Napalm Death etc. My taste changed that much in 4 years. I'm sure it was the same with Pantera.
One band you missed out on with both lists is Testament. Even their most commercial album (The Ritual) is still thrash, they (like Pantera) got heavier in the 90s, and they never released a bad album. Always stayed brutal. Even their ballads are dark and brooding. Other contenders for your next list could be; Sodom, Faith No More (always experimenting, and when they had commercial success they would immediately pivot), and AC/DC.
Testament tried to write their Black album, then tried to ride the DM wave before they did "discover" groove and midtempo. Not sure if that is such an good example.
@@JohannesDonnerstich "Ride the DM wave"...But they were one of the original influencers of death metal - DM started in the mid 80's with Possessed's debut, Slayer’s Hell Awaits and Death's demo tapes and their 1987 album Scream Bloody Gore...Well, the same year Testament released The Legacy which was thrash with death metal elements - harsh growls, guttural screams etc. If you listen to Seven Churches side by side with The Legacy, there’s overlap for sure - COTLOD is closer to death metal than anything other thrash bands were putting out at the time, and that record predates most classic death metal; and the death metal of the day was very thrash influenced anyway. A lot of those early Testament songs had crossover appeal & got thrash fans into DM. Then in 94 they released Low, which had groove and thrash elements, but also pure DM songs like Dog Faced Gods - which was a huge influence on bands like Nile. And there is James Murphy going straight from playing with Death, Cancer and Obituary and he fits right in. As did Steve Di Giorgio and Gene Hoglan later. It isn’t difficult to see a progression in that aspect of the band from The Legacy to Souls of Black to Low, Demonic and The Gathering. I’m not making the argument that Testament are primarily a death metal band, but they definitely influenced the genre by incorporating those aspects into the music and have been cited as influential by a lot of DM bands. As for groove - well, they were already heading in that direction by 1990’s Souls Of Black which was another Exhorder tone influenced proto groove record. So if they were on the bandwagon, they were as early to the party as Pantera was. And their “Black album” - ie The Ritual, yeah I already mentioned it was their most commercial record…But you seem to have missed the entire point of the argument and the video we’re commenting on; the question is have Testament ever released a BAD album, not did they rip off other genres, or were they followers of trends or whatever. Let’s say you’re right - they wrote a commercial record, they rode waves of groove and DM. So what? Are those records bad? Of course not. You mentioned The Ritual is their Black album, ok name one Testament record that is their St Anger or Risk or Illud Divinum Insanus. You can’t. So I stand by my example. One of the most respected bands out there, attracted top musicians, influenced countless bands and not one bad album.
@@tolsen8212 But you seem to have missed the entire point of the argument and the video we’re commenting on... if you think so. Al i can see is revisionism. Apart from that modern chic to call albums that have been considered DM back in the days TM or vice verca, neither st anger or illud was a sellout record. The legacy was and is textbook TM. Said revisionism is a very new phenomen. As someone who was a metalhead in the late 80ies early 90ies i can assure everyone, Testament was considered 100 percent TM. Practice what you preach etc absolutley have nothing in comon with an album like vulgar display of power, besides the one single thing that is the reduction of speed. But neither vulgar nor chaos ad was, what it was, because it wasnt as fast as, say, reign in blood. The simple truth is, that Testament clearly copied Metallica, then tried to become DM and then adopted groove Metal elements. And, well, later, like everybody else they "rediscovered" their roots, just as Anthrax and lots of other bands who couldnt care less to sound 80ies style in the mid-90ies. I understand that this is bothering, because it throws a sad light on the oh so damm strong integrity of some bands, but we really dont need to close our eyes to the most obvious: pretty much all 80ies bands clearly changed their style in the 90ies trying to adpat to new trends. And thats pretty much what selling out is all about. Trying to find DM elements on their early works, just to not see the obvious, is as understandable, as laughable. The same for "groove".
@@JohannesDonnerstich “’you seem to have missed the entire point’… if you think so. All I can see is revisionism…neither st anger or illud was a sellout record” No, the point of the video is bands who never made a BAD album. You’ve set up a straw man that we’re discussing “sellout” albums, then try to argue that selling out means following trends, then try to show how Testament supposedly did that. You’re not even addressing the topic at all. St Anger is a bad album. In every way. Lyrics, production, song structure, performances etc. Illud and Risk are bad albums not just because they tried to follow a trend and deviated from the band’s core sounds, but the songwriting, performances & production are not up to par. You cannot point to any Testament record as being bad. And THAT is why they belong in the next list. If he makes a list of bands that never sold out, then maybe you can make those arguments you’re trying to make. “that modern chic to call albums that have been considered DM back in the days TM or vice versa” Never heard of this. I think it isn’t a thing. You just made it up. “The legacy was and is textbook TM” Nope. None of the other thrash records of that era had death growls. Just as the early DM records had thrash elements, early Testament records had DM elements. “As someone who was a metalhead in the late 80ies early 90ies i can assure everyone, Testament was considered 100 percent TM…Trying to find DM elements on their early works is laughable.” That’s why so many top death metal musicians joined the band? That’s why they were able to include a death metal song on their 1994 album without sounding out of place? That’s why they subsequently released two death metal albums? I was a metal head at the time too, and that’s why your weak arguments are what’s laughable. You didn’t even address any points from my last reply to you. “Practice…have nothing in common with an album like vulgar” Never said it did. I mention Souls of Black as being groove like Exhorder, around the same time Pantera did Cowboys. So you’re way off. “Testament clearly copied Metallica” Clearly, that’s why they made death metal records and had death growls on their early stuff. Actually, it would make more sense to say they “copied” Exodus, considering both Metallica and Testament shared bandmates with Exodus. “then tried to become DM” No, they already had death metal elements, then they did become DM. Di Giorgio and Hoglan and Murphy wouldn’t join a band “trying” to be death metal. Right? “later, like everybody else they "rediscovered" their roots” No, actually they kept the death metal elements. Have you even listened to Brotherhood of the Snake? “pretty much all 80ies bands clearly changed their style in the 90ies trying to adapt to new trends” How many of them got heavier? And how was death metal a trend in 1997? Try again mate.
What about AD/DC? They have never changed their sound, or their look, or their subject matter. Same no frills hard rock, album after album for over 50 years.
The way I see it, not selling out is not just about sticking with a certain style or sound. It's about bucking trends and doing what you really want to do, even if it may hold you back from becoming more successful. AC/DC have always been massively successful, whereas some bands on these lists, such as Pantera, DID evolve but in a way that was counter to what would have seemed to bring them more popularity. Pantera could have gone the Metallica route and toned it down in pursuit of mainstream acceptance, but they did the opposite of that. They went against the grain and forced the needle to shift in that direction.
Yeah, right. They never slowed down and recorded The Ritual after Metallica slowed down and did the black album, when Alice In Chains, Soundgarden and Grunge were the flavour of the early 90's. They never hired James Murphy and got heavier and slower when Death Metal was big. Chuck Billy never started growling and they never re-hired Alex Skolnick and returned to their Thrash sound when the Thrash revival came along and bands like Municipal Waste, Evile and Power Trip started shifting units around the late noughties and 2010's. None of that happened because they're one of your favourite bands and they should be on every list of greatest anythings that's ever been made. Look, Testament are great. I love the first 3 and The Ritual and The Gathering are great albums. But they have done a bit of fad chasing, to try and stay relevant and sell records, in their time. There's no shame in it. You could just call it 'being influenced. But it's pretty obvious that they've shape shifted in order to keep selling records and remain a unit shifting, record selling, band and keep being professional musicians, over the years. I don't really care. They've sold all those aforementioned records to me. But it's clear when you've followed their career for long enough that they do not belong on a list of bands that fit in the title and premise of a list such as this.
I love the area you walk through. Sometimes I think some spears/jousting sticks??? are going to appear from over the hill and the English cavalry are going to make an appearance and you will be caught in a Braveheart battle. I asked you before whether or not you are a fan of Cathedral. They are definitely a band who never sold out.
Easy answers come to my mind......The Clash, New model army & the Cure...Especially what Robert Smith did with ticketmaster will stay for ages.... However the person that gave the finger to music Industry is Mark Hollis...Whoever knows knows...
I'm so glad I got to see motor head and Killing Joke live towards the end of their respective careers (if it's truly the end for KJ). Great video, thank you!
As much as I love heavy guitar sound High On Fire always gets me with their slower ones like "Burning Down" or "Bastard Samurai", I will never be tired out of hearing this tracks.▶🔁
My favourite bands are Darkthrone Primordial Rush Neurosis Seeing three of those bands on your list really made me smile. Primordial always do their own thing just like the other bands and that's why I love these bands it's genuine and you can feel they mean it so their albums mean much more to me.
Interesting that Dan Mongrain from Voivod was wearing a Cardiacs t-shirt in your clip. You can kind of hear a Cardiacs influence on their song structures even though they're two totally different genres. I guess Cardiacs are a genre of their own though. Nice to hear Killing Joke get a shout out too. Great band.
Yeah man. Cardiacs have influenced a lot of heavy bands. Napalm Death is another one that have incorporated a lot of their elements into their sound as well
Saw Pantera live last Tuesday. Also worth mentioning, Power Trip played just before them with a new singer, which I had no effing idea about. What a banger of an evening.
The tricky thing is, a lot of times bands experimenting with new and trendy sounds can be conflated with selling out, for example, I would say Iron Maiden never sold out, even in the late 80’s, though they added keyboards and got way more harmonic. The fact that Adrian Smith’s “Reach Out” was a B-Side and not a single proves that they were not in it just for the money, that song would’ve been a BIG hit. The other thing is certain bands try to get poppy and trendy, but it doesn’t result in a big hit, so is that still selling out? For Example, Black Sabbath and “No Stranger To Love”. Yes, that album was supposed to be an Iommi solo album, but conceding and making it a Black Sabbath album and one with that poppy of a single should be selling out big time, except the song didn’t perform whatsoever, which inevitably leads the fans to see it as a ‘cult classic’ just because of how far out of the typical sabbath sound it is. The line between “experimentation” or “adaptation” and “selling out” is simple, success.
Among the many amazing things about Pantera, is that having earned that #1 with FBD they could SO easily have gone down the mid-nineties Megadeth, Metallica etc. route and tapered their sound and intensity a touch. Instead, they turned in TRENDKILL, which is almost the audio equivalent of napalm. It's not just that it's an intense album like those before; it's utterly relentless in a really ugly and sometimes psychotic kind of way. It's borderline grindcore in parts. Love it when bands zig instead of zag.
Good list man,will check a few out that I never really listened to that's for sure....not that anyone will care bur always thought Clutch and Fu Manchu have always just done their thing,NoFx you could throw in there maybe as well?Love the channel.Peace.
Two glaringly obvious omissions is the pound for pound best Thrash band of all time - Sodom, and definitely the best Death Metal band of all time - Bolt Thrower.
Rush never sold out.Sure some of their electronic/simmons drums/keyboard phases may not have appealed to everyone but they always had their eye-and brain-on what made them the best......Motorhead-as much as i was a fan from about 1977 onwards a lot of their albums from 1991 onwards were just retreads of the previous album....Letting Eddie Clarke produce Iron Fist was a big mistake,i always called that album their Born Again.
Who would win in a contest between Lemmy and God? Glad to see Crowbar on the list, just a phenomenal band! All I can say is piss off to anyone who wants to badmouth Pantera. Sure Phil had his issues but if you actually read his interviews you’d see that he overcame a lot of stuff, stuff that was his own doing in a lot of cases and he’s able to reflect on that and admit it. It’s a damn shame him and Dime never were able to patch things up because I know they would have. I’m not sure there’s anyway that Rush could’ve sold out because they were all so talented and musically diverse, it all just worked. Another great list, looking forward to the next video!
A list I really like. Motorhead, Voivod, Crowbar, Opeth, High on Fire, Neurosis and Pantera is all stuff I dig. Killing Joke is a surprising choice. Darkthrone I don't know.
@@ThatMetalBloke Killing Joke comes out of a period where I was very young. I grew up in the 90's so I mostly missed out on the post-punk bands like Bauhaus, Siouxsie, Joy Division etc. Still worth checking out all of that stuff.
I was going to mention Voivod on the comments of the previous video, but then thought about the Newsted years and Angel Rat, which could be arguably seen as "selling out"...but NO (NO!), you're right, Voivod never sold out and they're AWESOME. Angel Rat is in fact my fav album from them.
love Voivod, ever since 1984, but go watch the music video for Clouds In My House 😆 it'll have you rethinking that. Lemmy does refer to Motorhead as a metal band in his book whiteline fever, in particular when Philthy was leaving the band because he said Philthy didn't want to play heavy metal anymore, "he wanted to be a serious musician, or whatever it is that people think heavy metal isn't which, if you ask me, is total bull. To this day, metal is one of the best selling types of Rock__In fact it is true Rock & Roll. And it takes as much talent and determination to get anywhere as just about any other form of music. And it's fun play." -Lemmy. There is a video on youtube where Lemmy is talking about Metallica and he says "Heavy Metal is Rock and Roll, it's just another name for it." I think with Lemmy he just got tired of all the labels. When he started there was just Rock & Roll, then there was Punk and metal, and then Punk, metal, and rock turned into dozens of subgenres. It just turned into a whole bunch of labels. I think Lemmy just got sick of it because he just viewed it all as R&R. I know he hated all the labels on music. "There's only 2 types of music, music you like and music you don't." - Lemmy.
@ThatMetalBloke I mean I can usually separate the art from the artist, but something about that was too much for me and I listen to Burzum. But at least he isn't a child abuser.....
Hmmm...I'm not really sure about Pantera. Also I personally don't feel honest this current "celebrating the memory of Dime and Vinnie" with Phil, Rex & Co. still using or being marketed as Pantera. Vinnie was very clear...Pantera died with Dime. They didn't respect it. But money rules, Pantera is still a big name that attracts way more people.
@@michelvoortman4725 Getting heavier is the opposite of selling out. If they'd gone grunge in 1992, that would have been selling out. Instead they punched a bloke in the face and wrote Fucking Hostile.
“Why did you have to be an asshole, Scott?” Could not have said it better myself.
Yeah man. I love the music but his actions were not cool in any way
Voivod - still criminally undervalued. I'll have to check out Neurosis. Another great video.
Cheers. Voivod are very underrated as you say. Highly reccomend checking out Nuerosis. Unfirtunatley their two best albums 'Times of Grace' and 'Through Silver In Blood' are not available on Spotify so you'll have to check them out on TH-cam instead
With Pantera what people don't consider is how young they were when they started and their influences were Kiss and Van Halen, and the music they played reflected what they listened to. Then they discovered Metallica and that influenced their change in style. When I first started listening to metal in 1982-1983 it was Priest, Maiden, Dio, Ozzy, Motley Crue, Twisted Sister, and Dokken. If I started a band then that's what I would have sounded like, by 1984 I discovered Slayer, Venom, Celtic Frost, Mercyful Fate, Sodom and that's what I was really into. By 1986 I was a full on Thrasher/Hardcore Punk. I had stopped listening to all my first bands and was hungrier for faster and heavier music, and that lead me to Cryptic Slaughter, DRI, Septic Death, Cro-mags, Napalm Death etc. My taste changed that much in 4 years. I'm sure it was the same with Pantera.
One band you missed out on with both lists is Testament.
Even their most commercial album (The Ritual) is still thrash, they (like Pantera) got heavier in the 90s, and they never released a bad album. Always stayed brutal. Even their ballads are dark and brooding.
Other contenders for your next list could be; Sodom, Faith No More (always experimenting, and when they had commercial success they would immediately pivot), and AC/DC.
Testament tried to write their Black album, then tried to ride the DM wave before they did "discover" groove and midtempo. Not sure if that is such an good example.
@@JohannesDonnerstich "Ride the DM wave"...But they were one of the original influencers of death metal - DM started in the mid 80's with Possessed's debut, Slayer’s Hell Awaits and Death's demo tapes and their 1987 album Scream Bloody Gore...Well, the same year Testament released The Legacy which was thrash with death metal elements - harsh growls, guttural screams etc.
If you listen to Seven Churches side by side with The Legacy, there’s overlap for sure - COTLOD is closer to death metal than anything other thrash bands were putting out at the time, and that record predates most classic death metal; and the death metal of the day was very thrash influenced anyway. A lot of those early Testament songs had crossover appeal & got thrash fans into DM.
Then in 94 they released Low, which had groove and thrash elements, but also pure DM songs like Dog Faced Gods - which was a huge influence on bands like Nile. And there is James Murphy going straight from playing with Death, Cancer and Obituary and he fits right in. As did Steve Di Giorgio and Gene Hoglan later. It isn’t difficult to see a progression in that aspect of the band from The Legacy to Souls of Black to Low, Demonic and The Gathering.
I’m not making the argument that Testament are primarily a death metal band, but they definitely influenced the genre by incorporating those aspects into the music and have been cited as influential by a lot of DM bands.
As for groove - well, they were already heading in that direction by 1990’s Souls Of Black which was another Exhorder tone influenced proto groove record. So if they were on the bandwagon, they were as early to the party as Pantera was.
And their “Black album” - ie The Ritual, yeah I already mentioned it was their most commercial record…But you seem to have missed the entire point of the argument and the video we’re commenting on; the question is have Testament ever released a BAD album, not did they rip off other genres, or were they followers of trends or whatever.
Let’s say you’re right - they wrote a commercial record, they rode waves of groove and DM. So what? Are those records bad? Of course not.
You mentioned The Ritual is their Black album, ok name one Testament record that is their St Anger or Risk or Illud Divinum Insanus. You can’t.
So I stand by my example. One of the most respected bands out there, attracted top musicians, influenced countless bands and not one bad album.
@@tolsen8212 But you seem to have missed the entire point of the argument and the video we’re commenting on... if you think so. Al i can see is revisionism. Apart from that modern chic to call albums that have been considered DM back in the days TM or vice verca, neither st anger or illud was a sellout record. The legacy was and is textbook TM. Said revisionism is a very new phenomen. As someone who was a metalhead in the late 80ies early 90ies i can assure everyone, Testament was considered 100 percent TM. Practice what you preach etc absolutley have nothing in comon with an album like vulgar display of power, besides the one single thing that is the reduction of speed. But neither vulgar nor chaos ad was, what it was, because it wasnt as fast as, say, reign in blood. The simple truth is, that Testament clearly copied Metallica, then tried to become DM and then adopted groove Metal elements. And, well, later, like everybody else they "rediscovered" their roots, just as Anthrax and lots of other bands who couldnt care less to sound 80ies style in the mid-90ies. I understand that this is bothering, because it throws a sad light on the oh so damm strong integrity of some bands, but we really dont need to close our eyes to the most obvious: pretty much all 80ies bands clearly changed their style in the 90ies trying to adpat to new trends. And thats pretty much what selling out is all about. Trying to find DM elements on their early works, just to not see the obvious, is as understandable, as laughable. The same for "groove".
@@JohannesDonnerstich “’you seem to have missed the entire point’… if you think so. All I can see is revisionism…neither st anger or illud was a sellout record”
No, the point of the video is bands who never made a BAD album. You’ve set up a straw man that we’re discussing “sellout” albums, then try to argue that selling out means following trends, then try to show how Testament supposedly did that. You’re not even addressing the topic at all.
St Anger is a bad album. In every way. Lyrics, production, song structure, performances etc. Illud and Risk are bad albums not just because they tried to follow a trend and deviated from the band’s core sounds, but the songwriting, performances & production are not up to par.
You cannot point to any Testament record as being bad. And THAT is why they belong in the next list. If he makes a list of bands that never sold out, then maybe you can make those arguments you’re trying to make.
“that modern chic to call albums that have been considered DM back in the days TM or vice versa”
Never heard of this. I think it isn’t a thing. You just made it up.
“The legacy was and is textbook TM”
Nope. None of the other thrash records of that era had death growls. Just as the early DM records had thrash elements, early Testament records had DM elements.
“As someone who was a metalhead in the late 80ies early 90ies i can assure everyone, Testament was considered 100 percent TM…Trying to find DM elements on their early works is laughable.”
That’s why so many top death metal musicians joined the band? That’s why they were able to include a death metal song on their 1994 album without sounding out of place? That’s why they subsequently released two death metal albums? I was a metal head at the time too, and that’s why your weak arguments are what’s laughable. You didn’t even address any points from my last reply to you.
“Practice…have nothing in common with an album like vulgar”
Never said it did. I mention Souls of Black as being groove like Exhorder, around the same time Pantera did Cowboys. So you’re way off.
“Testament clearly copied Metallica”
Clearly, that’s why they made death metal records and had death growls on their early stuff. Actually, it would make more sense to say they “copied” Exodus, considering both Metallica and Testament shared bandmates with Exodus.
“then tried to become DM”
No, they already had death metal elements, then they did become DM. Di Giorgio and Hoglan and Murphy wouldn’t join a band “trying” to be death metal. Right?
“later, like everybody else they "rediscovered" their roots”
No, actually they kept the death metal elements. Have you even listened to Brotherhood of the Snake?
“pretty much all 80ies bands clearly changed their style in the 90ies trying to adapt to new trends”
How many of them got heavier? And how was death metal a trend in 1997? Try again mate.
Motörhead have to say first 😮 Lemmy and Motörhead music lives FOREVER 😮😊
Absolutely 🤘
Thanks for the Canadian shout out , Voivod and Rush , I would also mention Anvil ..,
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THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER ENJOYABLE VIDEO ! I LOVE YOUR STYLE!
ROCK ON !
Thanks a lot. Glad you enjoyed it
No Means No.
Bonus points for bringing Killing Joke in. RIP Geordie.
Killing Joke are amazing 🤘
What about AD/DC? They have never changed their sound, or their look, or their subject matter. Same no frills hard rock, album after album for over 50 years.
My man!
World's most over rated band.
Great choice
The way I see it, not selling out is not just about sticking with a certain style or sound. It's about bucking trends and doing what you really want to do, even if it may hold you back from becoming more successful. AC/DC have always been massively successful, whereas some bands on these lists, such as Pantera, DID evolve but in a way that was counter to what would have seemed to bring them more popularity. Pantera could have gone the Metallica route and toned it down in pursuit of mainstream acceptance, but they did the opposite of that. They went against the grain and forced the needle to shift in that direction.
Neurosis 110%, they were a stellar live act. Another enjoyable video, cheers.
YES MY DUDE!!!
Love this. Killing Joke too, amazeballs as the kids say!
Yeah man. I love that band and they always did something different.
love Voivod !!!! been seeing them live since 1987 and they still rock hard !!!!
Great band
Voivod, my #1 all-time favourite band. 👽
Thanks for the list
Slayer, Nile, Minor threat. ACDC too, they became huge but haven't changed an inch over the years.
Walls of Jericho is another great one , very hard working and never sold out...
Nile!!! Thank you for ranking Killing Joke! Absolutely the most important band of any genre imo! My musical bible!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darkthrone is so underrated! Great pick man.
They are indeed. Great band
Testament would be in my list and i can't wait for your Motörhead album ranking, my number one favorite is Inferno.
Yeah, right. They never slowed down and recorded The Ritual after Metallica slowed down and did the black album, when Alice In Chains, Soundgarden and Grunge were the flavour of the early 90's. They never hired James Murphy and got heavier and slower when Death Metal was big. Chuck Billy never started growling and they never re-hired Alex Skolnick and returned to their Thrash sound when the Thrash revival came along and bands like Municipal Waste, Evile and Power Trip started shifting units around the late noughties and 2010's.
None of that happened because they're one of your favourite bands and they should be on every list of greatest anythings that's ever been made.
Look, Testament are great. I love the first 3 and The Ritual and The Gathering are great albums. But they have done a bit of fad chasing, to try and stay relevant and sell records, in their time.
There's no shame in it. You could just call it 'being influenced. But it's pretty obvious that they've shape shifted in order to keep selling records and remain a unit shifting, record selling, band and keep being professional musicians, over the years.
I don't really care. They've sold all those aforementioned records to me. But it's clear when you've followed their career for long enough that they do not belong on a list of bands that fit in the title and premise of a list such as this.
The Motorhead ranking won't be for a while as I have a load of others to get sorted but it will be a fun one to do for sure
@@LouisWinthorpe622 Funny i just wrote the same. Testament is indeed a very bad example.
Motorhead, i fully agree with your opinion. 100 percent agree with.
great list, before starting the video, I thought sure enough Primus must be on it, but guessed wrong haha.
Only so many bands I can mention in 1 video but I agree that they never sold out
Great channel...your passion ignites my passion 🤟❤️
Glad to hear it 🤘
I love the area you walk through. Sometimes I think some spears/jousting sticks??? are going to appear from over the hill and the English cavalry are going to make an appearance and you will be caught in a Braveheart battle.
I asked you before whether or not you are a fan of Cathedral. They are definitely a band who never sold out.
an they are also quite unique. I would add samael.
Easy answers come to my mind......The Clash, New model army & the Cure...Especially what Robert Smith did with ticketmaster will stay for ages.... However the person that gave the finger to music Industry is Mark Hollis...Whoever knows knows...
I'm so glad I got to see motor head and Killing Joke live towards the end of their respective careers (if it's truly the end for KJ). Great video, thank you!
Incredible bands
As much as I love heavy guitar sound High On Fire always gets me with their slower ones like "Burning Down" or "Bastard Samurai", I will never be tired out of hearing this tracks.▶🔁
I hear ya. The slower riffs sound even heavier to me
God dethroned. The crown!
My favourite bands are
Darkthrone
Primordial
Rush
Neurosis
Seeing three of those bands on your list really made me smile. Primordial always do their own thing just like the other bands and that's why I love these bands it's genuine and you can feel they mean it so their albums mean much more to me.
Great list. I also love Primordial if that means anything? 🤘
@ThatMetalBloke it sure does because they are not often spoken about so it's great when I hear someone else say they are a fan.
I am sure I will talk about them in a video at some point. Great band
Heard the Motörhead's Rock'n'Roll when I was 9... It was the first song at some "100% Hard'n'Heavy" cassette... It changed my life 😅
Interesting that Dan Mongrain from Voivod was wearing a Cardiacs t-shirt in your clip. You can kind of hear a Cardiacs influence on their song structures even though they're two totally different genres. I guess Cardiacs are a genre of their own though.
Nice to hear Killing Joke get a shout out too. Great band.
He even played some of their songs as a tribute to Tim
Yeah man. Cardiacs have influenced a lot of heavy bands. Napalm Death is another one that have incorporated a lot of their elements into their sound as well
Cardiacs I think are from the UK, London a very underated band
Saw Pantera live last Tuesday. Also worth mentioning, Power Trip played just before them with a new singer, which I had no effing idea about. What a banger of an evening.
Who makes up Pantera nowadays?
Just curious.
Vocals: Phil
Bass: Rex
Guitar: Zakk Wylde
Drums: Charlie Benante
Prong? Great stuff
The tricky thing is, a lot of times bands experimenting with new and trendy sounds can be conflated with selling out, for example, I would say Iron Maiden never sold out, even in the late 80’s, though they added keyboards and got way more harmonic. The fact that Adrian Smith’s “Reach Out” was a B-Side and not a single proves that they were not in it just for the money, that song would’ve been a BIG hit. The other thing is certain bands try to get poppy and trendy, but it doesn’t result in a big hit, so is that still selling out? For Example, Black Sabbath and “No Stranger To Love”. Yes, that album was supposed to be an Iommi solo album, but conceding and making it a Black Sabbath album and one with that poppy of a single should be selling out big time, except the song didn’t perform whatsoever, which inevitably leads the fans to see it as a ‘cult classic’ just because of how far out of the typical sabbath sound it is. The line between “experimentation” or “adaptation” and “selling out” is simple, success.
Have you done Clutch yet? Cannot remember.
NEVERMORE
Love me some CROWBAR! "None Heavier."🤘
“This is the kind of music you have on a workout tape, if you’re skinny, and you wanna get fat”
The heaviest 🤘
Among the many amazing things about Pantera, is that having earned that #1 with FBD they could SO easily have gone down the mid-nineties Megadeth, Metallica etc. route and tapered their sound and intensity a touch. Instead, they turned in TRENDKILL, which is almost the audio equivalent of napalm. It's not just that it's an intense album like those before; it's utterly relentless in a really ugly and sometimes psychotic kind of way. It's borderline grindcore in parts. Love it when bands zig instead of zag.
Yeah man. They are one of the few bands that grew in popularity as they got heavier
Good list man,will check a few out that I never really listened to that's for sure....not that anyone will care bur always thought Clutch and Fu Manchu have always just done their thing,NoFx you could throw in there maybe as well?Love the channel.Peace.
All of your picks are valid. Clutch was very nearly on this list
Hello there! What do you think about L7 or Primus? Two bands that I like very much (last album by Primus was weird tho)
Two glaringly obvious omissions is the pound for pound best Thrash band of all time - Sodom, and definitely the best Death Metal band of all time - Bolt Thrower.
Rush never sold out.Sure some of their electronic/simmons drums/keyboard phases may not have appealed to everyone but they always had their eye-and brain-on what made them the best......Motorhead-as much as i was a fan from about 1977 onwards a lot of their albums from 1991 onwards were just retreads of the previous album....Letting Eddie Clarke produce Iron Fist was a big mistake,i always called that album their Born Again.
Who would win in a contest between Lemmy and God? Glad to see Crowbar on the list, just a phenomenal band! All I can say is piss off to anyone who wants to badmouth Pantera. Sure Phil had his issues but if you actually read his interviews you’d see that he overcame a lot of stuff, stuff that was his own doing in a lot of cases and he’s able to reflect on that and admit it. It’s a damn shame him and Dime never were able to patch things up because I know they would have. I’m not sure there’s anyway that Rush could’ve sold out because they were all so talented and musically diverse, it all just worked. Another great list, looking forward to the next video!
Cheers mate
Don’t forget POWERMAD “Absolute Power” and “Infinite”.
A list I really like. Motorhead, Voivod, Crowbar, Opeth, High on Fire, Neurosis and Pantera is all stuff I dig.
Killing Joke is a surprising choice.
Darkthrone I don't know.
Killing Joke are such a great band and very influential to so many metal artists. Darkthrone are amazing as well
@@ThatMetalBloke Killing Joke comes out of a period where I was very young. I grew up in the 90's so I mostly missed out on the post-punk bands like Bauhaus, Siouxsie, Joy Division etc. Still worth checking out all of that stuff.
Voivod 👏👏👏 in my top 3 all time
Amazing band
All this did was make me want your crowbar ranking even more
It will be happening for sure. Probably mid March 🤘
Perhaps you and Andy Edwards could do a joint video. Could be very hilarious.
I like to do my own thing but I really enjoy his channel
I was going to mention Voivod on the comments of the previous video, but then thought about the Newsted years and Angel Rat, which could be arguably seen as "selling out"...but NO (NO!), you're right, Voivod never sold out and they're AWESOME. Angel Rat is in fact my fav album from them.
This!!
The Outer Limits was a great follow up to the great departure album that Angel Rat was and is much better than it imho
I think that even the most basic Voivod is still light years ahead of the pack
Absolutely. Voivod never even came close to selling out.
Motorhead definitely an excellent pick! 💰🚫
did u ever lsten to Days of the New?
I checked them out but its not really my thing I'm afraid
Motörhead were the Sabbath of speed and thrash metal
Valid point
@ThatMetalBloke It might be an over-simplification. But I just believe that Motörhead deserve some more credit
Vomitory. I have to respect it. Most death metal bands, to be honest
Not if they're the trend-following trend-monkeys that Øystein Aarseth believed them to be.
Motorhead. fucking god tier
Have you listened to ‘chat pilé ? Give it a spin mate
I have. Interesting mix of styles. I can see them making a name for themselves
love Voivod, ever since 1984, but go watch the music video for Clouds In My House 😆 it'll have you rethinking that. Lemmy does refer to Motorhead as a metal band in his book whiteline fever, in particular when Philthy was leaving the band because he said Philthy didn't want to play heavy metal anymore, "he wanted to be a serious musician, or whatever it is that people think heavy metal isn't which, if you ask me, is total bull. To this day, metal is one of the best selling types of Rock__In fact it is true Rock & Roll. And it takes as much talent and determination to get anywhere as just about any other form of music. And it's fun play." -Lemmy. There is a video on youtube where Lemmy is talking about Metallica and he says "Heavy Metal is Rock and Roll, it's just another name for it." I think with Lemmy he just got tired of all the labels. When he started there was just Rock & Roll, then there was Punk and metal, and then Punk, metal, and rock turned into dozens of subgenres. It just turned into a whole bunch of labels. I think Lemmy just got sick of it because he just viewed it all as R&R. I know he hated all the labels on music. "There's only 2 types of music, music you like and music you don't." - Lemmy.
You don’t talk about TooL or any Maynard related projects as much as I would expect you to
I talked about Tool in part 1. I don't know why you would expect me to talk about him though
NIN
Porcupine tree
So if you progress as a band, that means you sold out, is that right?
I included Opeth, Darkthrone, Killing Joke and Rush in this list so clearly not
@ThatMetalBloke I wasn't really referring to you specifically. It's just that some people seem to have that attitude towards metal bands don't they?
@@chriswilkinson7636 more like insecure people need to mind their own damn business.
Motorhead
AC/DC
Lamb Of God
Overkill
Pantera
Nirvana 'sold out'with nevermind and then decidedly un-sold out with in utero.
Indeed
Lemmy is God. He never died.
🤘
if anything Motorhead so underrated ..,
Agreed
Hope you are having a good day , and how in the hell could anyone say Motorhead is overrated? those are some wankers as you Brits would say
Hit the nail on the head there mate
Meshuggah
You forgot about the Spice Girls!!!
Valid point
CROWBAR
Manowar.
Slayer "almost" didnt sellout
Metallica?
Exodus , Overkill and Testament never sold out .....all 3 are better now than they were 40 yrs ago
Testament is a classic example for a trend hopping band.
Fucking great list and a bunch of my favourite bands. But aye Scott, why did you have to be an arsehole?
Exactly. Amazing band that is now tainted by his foul actions
@ThatMetalBloke I mean I can usually separate the art from the artist, but something about that was too much for me and I listen to Burzum. But at least he isn't a child abuser.....
Hmmm...I'm not really sure about Pantera. Also I personally don't feel honest this current "celebrating the memory of Dime and Vinnie" with Phil, Rex & Co. still using or being marketed as Pantera. Vinnie was very clear...Pantera died with Dime. They didn't respect it. But money rules, Pantera is still a big name that attracts way more people.
Well ...like you said, Pantera died with Dime.
And until then, they didn't sell out.
I don't really consider Pantera to be a thing after they split up in 2000. They stayed true to themselves up until that point.
Pantera doesn’t belong on here
Pantera started as a different band. So they changed style to become a succes. I dunno if that's selling out.
@@michelvoortman4725 Getting heavier is the opposite of selling out. If they'd gone grunge in 1992, that would have been selling out. Instead they punched a bloke in the face and wrote Fucking Hostile.
@@tolsen8212 I love Fucking Hostile.
Opeth🤘❤️🤘
Rush pantera and crowbar opeth yes all kick ass
They certainly do
PanterA \M/
motörhead -overated🤣🤣🤣