Charlie Bird and Ryan Clifford Talk Mormons, Marriage and Taylor Swift

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  • @Leftatalbuquerque
    @Leftatalbuquerque 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Here's a concept: leave superstition behind and think for yourself.

  • @Gerald-r1l
    @Gerald-r1l 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Charlie & Ryan appear to have reached the point that their authenticity and their love for each other will survive intact no matter what may arise in their path. We experienced that level of commitment and thought it just couldn't get any better. Then we adopted children. Everything we felt just magnified and became more meaningful. Family quickly became out highest priority and gave us real purpose in life. To watch and encourage little souls as they evolve into amazing teens, then responsible, empathetic adults transcends all else.

  • @calvind2054
    @calvind2054 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I found this talk extremely interesting and insightful. Not LDS, but have watched their church members who loved the church feel like leaving was their only option. I follow couple of former LDS TH-camrs and have heard these discussions many times. This is the first time I feel like the LDS Leaders are beginning to open themselves up to more inclusive conversations and possibly within the community. Given the opportunity to show that all of the hate and damnation is so unnecessary.

  • @larrygates2438
    @larrygates2438 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    As a gay man who grew up in the Mormon church, it has been much better for me mentally to step away from the church. I hope that Charlie can properly assess and assist a client to leave the church when its better for them to do so.

  • @Shirley-r4h9p
    @Shirley-r4h9p หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome happy for both of you ❤️🌻

  • @ErrolMiller-ey3lb
    @ErrolMiller-ey3lb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    THANKS FOR SHARING

  • @The_Bashar
    @The_Bashar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sooo, Charlie is leading the conversation and conscious of keeping Ryan in it. Ryan is comfortable with Charlie at the forefront. The self-awareness and their human dynamic is fascinating. 🤔

  • @123uniquea
    @123uniquea 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I find it difficult as someone who used to classify himself as a Christian but now understand that there is no religion in any of the literature that truly accepts gay people. It seems like you're indoctrination of your religion still has a strong hold on you. Is almost like running back to a bad relationship that was abusive. You don't have to belong to a specific religion or cult to still believe in a higher power or even have your own personal faith and beliefs. I know that you are trying to break barriers to be accepted but that's not what life is about when it comes to an ideology or religion. Congratulations to you both on your marriage and I truly hope that one day you both can come to terms with the fact that the religion you believe so strong in is something that you truly don't need when you can have your own personal beliefs and connections to a higher power.

  • @anthonywatts2033
    @anthonywatts2033 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I find it a significant issue that religion needs high level councillors to help members of its own congregation to "adapt" to it.

  • @jshea7432
    @jshea7432 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You two communicate your struggles as well as your loving devotion to each other. How nice that you guys will know fully the gift of sexuality and in intimacy focus on each other giving pleasure as well as knowing what is safe and good for each other. I love how I see you taking care of protecting each other. Trauma is common to GBLT men and women and without love it has and will lead young people to addicts. I am in my senior years and looking back I have 3 friends / boys in my life who took their lives. There were handsome and intelligent. I love the "hunk of muscle" so cute

  • @ronsmith2241
    @ronsmith2241 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Well done. I hope you are very happy together. Promise me...If this doesn't work out, that your marriage survives and you leave the church.

    • @kfbob364
      @kfbob364 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why leave the church?

  • @ab4805
    @ab4805 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Mariage is the celebration of two people's love, not a religious property to be given to deserve people. Church do not own mariage.

  • @em4227
    @em4227 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm gay was raised Catholic and I can't really totally embrace that I'm Catholic myself because the church doesn't accept my lifestyle and I don't know why these people like these guys insist on being Mormon. They could do whatever they want but I think it's just silly. The church is surrounded around a family having babies with a woman in the house so on and so on so what's the point

  • @utahbrit
    @utahbrit 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The church has such a colorful history about sexuality not sure when they became homophobic with all the polygamy and the like. Accepting this should be easy ...I think it's just run by frightened old men in Utah who are scared of things they don't understand. Eventually, to fit in they will change their policies especially if it costs them financially which is sad rather than loving people for who they are. You guys are awesome and I hope they don't drive you apart

  • @caleblauber1441
    @caleblauber1441 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very nice.

  • @massagewerks1734
    @massagewerks1734 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thx

  • @kelleyturner6584
    @kelleyturner6584 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Love you guys so much!!! I'm LDS and a huge ally!!!! Congratulations!!!!❤💖💙💚💛🧡💜🖤

  • @yvankrzeslo6366
    @yvankrzeslo6366 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    lol you 2 are so cute ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @DerekWilliamsMusic
    @DerekWilliamsMusic 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Find a religion that accepts LGBT+ people. BTW you look beautiful together.

    • @kfbob364
      @kfbob364 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why find a religion that isn’t
      True?

    • @DerekWilliamsMusic
      @DerekWilliamsMusic หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kfbob364 Any religion that shuts out an entire proportion of the population because of the way they were born is not "True" in any sense. Every religion believes theirs alone is the One True Religion, yet they teach opposite to each other on remarriage after no-fault divorce, women's ordination and birth control. You just looked for a religion whose god hates the same people that you do.

  • @philclegg8169
    @philclegg8169 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    “Not many gay married couples in this space”. Wonder why? Most in your situation get excommunicated. 🥴

    • @lifegood1712
      @lifegood1712 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same-gender marriage was changed from "apostasy" to a "serious transgression" during the April 2019 Church Conference. That is what creates the space where they can exist as Church members but their participation is limited by the "serious transgression".

    • @philclegg8169
      @philclegg8169 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lifegood1712 so God made it a “lesser sin” ? 🤔

    • @lifegood1712
      @lifegood1712 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@philclegg8169 "Transgression" is used to refer to the Fall of Adam and Eve because it wasn't a sin.
      In a Church lesson manual, there is a section heading "Great Blessings Resulted from the Transgression" The section says, "Some people believe Adam and Eve committed a serious sin when they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. However, latter-day scriptures help us understand that their Fall was a necessary step in the plan of life and a great blessing to all of us."
      Same-gender marriage was called a serious sin so perhaps as a "serious transgression" it is "a necessary step in the plan of life [for some of us] and a great blessing to all of us."
      There was a time appointed for the revelation that "every worthy man in the church, regardless of race or color, may receive the priesthood." I don't know if there is a time appointed for marriage to be defined as a two persons or if there is an eternal version of civil unions, but the use of the word "transgression" suggests to me that we are being prepared for further enlightenment.

  • @davidcwitkin6729
    @davidcwitkin6729 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You guys are amazing. Why are LDS guys so HOT?

  • @reuterromain1054
    @reuterromain1054 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ryan would look way much better with short hairs.

  • @davidf4898
    @davidf4898 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m personally disappointed I am always looking for a gay role model that serves others and has a lot of friends living the gospel. We all have talents and I think generally that we overlook talents of gay people because we have judged them. I’m sorry to see Charlie go down a road that is different than what I was personally hoping for him.

    • @fishmrinc
      @fishmrinc 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I haven't finished the video yet, but doesn't he serve and have friends who live the gospel?

  • @apollo8352
    @apollo8352 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Sincere best wishes as a gay couple.... but isn't it time to end this nonsense about some imaginary god existing... Serious bible scholars will tell you there is not a single verifiable eye witness account of any claims made in the bible. Most religious people don't even know that Paul wrote 13 of the 27 books of their bible to spite never getting involved in the christian faith till years after the Jesus guy supposedly died.
    I have had religious people argue, well then Paul was a historian who got his information from others that did witness the events.... But that ignores the fact Paul tells them in Galataians 1:11-16 that none of the information in any of his scriptures came from any eye witnesses, any other person or any other source!
    Another words Paul fabricated all his claims himself, and not not divinely inspired because he was being publically called a liar by Jesus close mates that we call Appostles, which Paul certainly was not an Appostle because the real Appostles stop Paul from ever being able to use that title in himself, 2 Timothy 1:15.
    Once Paul had entrenched himself and his helpers in scripture writing, Paul then stopped other followers of Jesus writing or preaching anything Paul was not preaching, Galatians 1:8-9 & 1:13. Which is why there is all this drama about Gospels, the 'church' does not mind people thinking the Gospels were written by the Appostles, but a close look reveals they are only attributed to the Appostles who's name it bears, and the dates that have been worked out tell us they were attributed after the Appostles death so they could not contest the claims being made in their names.
    If your still not sure fact check with google is easy, another one to help you decide is see what Paul says in Acts 9:7 and compare that to his answer to the same question on a latter occasion in Acts 22:9 and see if you still think Paul gives reliable trustworthy testament.
    One last thing is check out how many god's before the Jews single god which is currently fashionable, had their birthday in December 25th.... and ask yourself what the others did to piss you off so you think this one is better!

  • @joeberta368
    @joeberta368 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    You both seem well educated. Research LDS history.

  • @danmart2585
    @danmart2585 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You do a great job of communicating your story; however, I was a bit distracted by your use of the word “like”. I suggest you listen to the discussion and count how many times you used the word.

    • @davidcwitkin6729
      @davidcwitkin6729 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Nitpicking is not helpful

  • @tyamada21
    @tyamada21 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A segment from 'Saved by the Light of the Buddha Within'...
    new understandings of what many call 'God and The Holy Spirit' - resulting from some of the extraordinary ongoing after-effects relating to the NDE Tom Bird (a gay author) experienced...
    Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what some scientists are now referring to as the unified field of consciousnesses. In other words, it’s the essence of all existence and non-existence - the ultimate creative force behind planets, stars, nebulae, people, animals, trees, fish, birds, and all phenomena, manifest or latent. All matter and intelligence are simply waves or ripples manifesting to and from this core source. Consciousness (enlightenment) is itself the actual creator of everything that exists now, ever existed in the past, or will exist in the future - right down to the minutest particles of dust - each being an individual ripple or wave.
    The big difference between chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo and most other conventional prayers is that instead of depending on a ‘middleman’ to connect us to our state of inner enlightenment, we’re able to do it ourselves. That’s because chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo allows us to tap directly into our enlightened state by way of this self-produced sound vibration. ‘Who or What Is God?’ If we compare the concept of God being a separate entity that is forever watching down on us, to the teachings of Nichiren, it makes more sense to me that the true omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of what most people perceive to be God, is the fantastic state of enlightenment that exists within each of us. Some say that God is an entity that’s beyond physical matter - I think that the vast amount of information continuously being conveyed via electromagnetic waves in today’s world gives us proof of how an invisible state of God could indeed exist.
    For example, it’s now widely known that specific data relayed by way of electromagnetic waves has the potential to help bring about extraordinary and powerful effects - including an instant global awareness of something or a mass emotional reaction. It’s also common knowledge that these invisible waves can easily be used to detonate a bomb or to enable NASA to control the movements of a robot as far away as the Moon or Mars - none of which is possible without a receiver to decode the information that’s being transmitted. Without the receiver, the data would remain impotent. In a very similar way, we need to have our own ‘receiver’ switched on so that we can activate a clear and precise understanding of our own life, all other life and what everything else in existence is.
    Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day helps us to achieve this because it allows us to reach the core of our enlightenment and keep it switched on. That’s because Myoho-Renge-Kyo represents the identity of what scientists now refer to as the unified field of consciousnesses. To break it down - Myoho represents the Law of manifestation and latency (Nature) and consists of two alternating states. For example, the state of Myo is where everything in life that’s not obvious to us exists - including our stored memories when we’re not thinking about them - our hidden potential and inner emotions whenever they’re dormant - our desires, our fears, our wisdom, happiness, karma - and more importantly, our enlightenment.
    The other state, ho, is where everything in Life exists whenever it becomes evident to us, such as when a thought pops up from within our memory - whenever we experience or express our emotions - or whenever a good or bad cause manifests as an effect from our karma. When anything becomes apparent, it merely means that it’s come out of the state of Myo (dormancy/latency) and into a state of ho (manifestation). It’s the difference between consciousness and unconsciousness, being awake or asleep, or knowing and not knowing.
    The second law - Renge - Ren meaning cause and ge meaning effect, governs and controls the functions of Myoho - these two laws of Myoho and Renge, not only function together simultaneously but also underlies all spiritual and physical existence.
    The final and third part of the tri-combination - Kyo, is the Law that allows Myoho to integrate with Renge - or vice versa. It’s the great, invisible thread of energy that fuses and connects all Life and matter - as well as the past, present and future. It’s also sometimes termed the Universal Law of Communication - perhaps it could even be compared with the string theory that many scientists now suspect exists.
    Just as the cells in our body, our thoughts, feelings and everything else is continually fluctuating within us - all that exists in the world around us and beyond is also in a constant state of flux - constantly controlled by these three fundamental laws. In fact, more things are going back and forth between the two states of Myo and ho in a single moment than it would ever be possible to calculate or describe. And it doesn’t matter how big or small, famous or trivial anything or anyone may appear to be, everything that’s ever existed in the past, exists now or will exist in the future, exists only because of the workings of the Laws ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ - the basis of the four fundamental forces, and if they didn’t function, neither we nor anything else could go on existing. That’s because all forms of existence, including the seasons, day, night, birth, death and so on, are moving forward in an ongoing flow of continuation - rhythmically reverting back and forth between the two fundamental states of Myo and ho in absolute accordance with Renge - and by way of Kyo. Even stars are dying and being reborn under the workings of what the combination ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’ represents. Nam, or Namu - which mean the same thing, are vibrational passwords or keys that allow us to reach deep into our life and fuse with or become one with ‘Myoho-Renge-Kyo’.
    On a more personal level, nothing ever happens by chance or coincidence, it’s the causes that we’ve made in our past, or are presently making, that determine how these laws function uniquely in each of our lives - as well as the environment from moment to moment. By facing east, in harmony with the direction that the Earth is spinning, and chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo for a minimum of, let’s say, ten minutes daily to start with, any of us can experience actual proof of its positive effects in our lives - even if it only makes us feel good on the inside, there will be a definite positive effect. That’s because we’re able to pierce through the thickest layers of our karma and activate our inherent Buddha Nature (our enlightened state). By so doing, we’re then able to bring forth the wisdom and good fortune that we need to challenge, overcome and change our adverse circumstances - turn them into positive ones - or manifest and gain even greater fulfilment in our daily lives from our accumulated good karma. This also allows us to bring forth the wisdom that can free us from the ignorance and stupidity that’s preventing us from accepting and being proud of the person that we indeed are - regardless of our race, colour, gender or sexuality. We’re also able to see and understand our circumstances and the environment far more clearly, as well as attract and connect with any needed external beneficial forces and situations. As I’ve already mentioned, everything is subject to the law of Cause and Effect - the ‘actual-proof-strength’ resulting from chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo always depends on our determination, sincerity and dedication.
    For example, the levels of difference could be compared to making a sound on a piano, creating a melody, producing a great song, and so on. Something else that’s very important to always respect and acknowledge is that the Law (or if you prefer God) is in everyone and everything.
    NB: There are frightening and disturbing sounds, and there are tranquil and relaxing sounds. It’s the emotional result of any noise or sound that can trigger off a mood or even instantly change one. When chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo each day, we are producing a sound vibration that’s the password to our true inner-self - this soon becomes apparent when you start reassessing your views on various things - such as your fears and desires etc. The best way to get the desired result when chanting is not to view things conventionally - rather than reaching out to an external source, we need to reach into our own lives and bring our needs and desires to fruition from within - including the good fortune and strength to achieve any help that we may need. Chanting Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo also reaches out externally and draws us towards, or draws towards us, what we need to make us happy from our environment. For example, it helps us to be in the right place at the right time - to make better choices and decisions and so forth. We need to think of it as a seed within us that we’re watering and bringing sunshine to for it to grow, blossom and bring forth fruit or flowers. It’s also important to understand that everything we need in life, including the answer to every question and the potential to achieve every dream, already exists within us.

  • @repent6238
    @repent6238 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ask Jesus To Save You Before It’s Too Late 🙏
    Jesus is Lord.

  • @firesong83
    @firesong83 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    vote blue 💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙

  • @michaeljunak-q2d
    @michaeljunak-q2d 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't understand why you don't leave the church. Organized religion is for people who can't think for themselves

  • @katzgar
    @katzgar 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    you are evolving and in time the religion thing may go away.

  • @alanjbuddendeck186
    @alanjbuddendeck186 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best to let go of religious oppressors.

  • @alanaban1840
    @alanaban1840 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Husband and husband/ that is how man make it/ god way is husband and wife/;u can't be a Christian and marriage to a man 😊/ homosexual is you way not god way

    • @Leftatalbuquerque
      @Leftatalbuquerque 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Explain polygamy and concubines being ok, then.

    • @alanaban1840
      @alanaban1840 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Leftatalbuquerque these was never ok / it happens was always wrong

    • @VTownGregory
      @VTownGregory 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So the LDS church is the church of exclusion? The church of discrimination? Not a good look.

    • @davidcwitkin6729
      @davidcwitkin6729 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Your bigotry is so ugly it's striking

    • @utahbrit
      @utahbrit 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      god says slavery, killing, and murder is okay just read your bible you choose to ignore a lot of crazy old testiment stuff ...just do what Jesus says: love one another and don't judge others