Secrets of The Scene: How Cracking Groups Ripped Original Xbox Discs | MVG
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- Years before Kreon drives could rip original Xbox and Xbox 360 discs, Cracking and release groups were using another PC DVD Drive to rip game discs. This drive is mostly unknown from the public. Find out more in this episode.
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Gotta be careful man, you might get content ID'd by Nintendo for showing images of their competitor's games
Nintendo < sony
Fallen Ghost Yasha No, Sony > Microsoft
Nintendo is a different kind of product altogether
@@askhowiknow5527
Pc > all consoles in the world ever made even android 😝
Did they actually do that?
Sega does what Nintendon't.
Music, animated background, keygen and patcher, 20kb file. I always was amazed by the coders doing that. I always assumed they had some hardcore dudes flat out writing that in assembly.
Yep, and they hold competitions to make the nicest ones, look into the demo scene.
yeah it's a real pisstake that some dudes in bedrooms can put such stuff in such small files. if developers took such efforts in optimization of code
@@foxxy46213 eh. not really. I fucking love the demoscene and everything it's connected with. but a lot of the time when a game is utterly massive in size its for performance reasons. look at stuff like the 98kb game and compare it to games that look similar to it from around the time. you'll see a huge increase in resource usage due to just having to undo all of the delicate compression techniques. tldr: it's pretty cool but if you want your games to perform well its probably gonna stay like this.
As a former member of KAL, ECH, M7 and ProjectX I just want to say "thx" for that trip down the memory lane.. ;)
BTW: The 1st releases weren't uploaded to our sites, in fact we sent harddisks around the world due to the HUGE amount of data.. :D
thank you for making my teenage years awesome-er
How long did it take to learn all you needed to start making exploits?
So cool!
Thanks for half the Dreamcast library!
Man that Fairlight hum brings back some memories
Almost every game on the Amiga what I played started that way! geat times :)
You started your video with excellence........ quality makes itself known ;)
Fairlight were incredibly active, even on PC.
Interesting that "scene" is used in the Xbox land also. I guess a couple of the same groups were involved but generally it should refer to the original demo/art/cracking scene on C64 and more to the point mostly Amiga. This has me wondering if vintage gamer was ever involved in the Amiga scene? was he one of the members of Mystix.. who knows but could be old enough and living in the right area.
holy shit those crack teams really loved rgb moving text
A lot of them are from the old bbs boards.
That goes back to the ZX Spectrum,Commodre 64,Amiga and Atari ST days.scrolly text everywhere
They even had contests of which group had the best intro music and video.
read about demos and demoscenes. you have to cram all the music, animation, graphics, etc into a tiny amount of space. it's a combination of technical skills and art.
@@huleyn135 I remember the ANSI Wars... The height of the Artpack and Demo era. ACiD, TRiBE, iCE... Razor 1911 was king and HPAVC still stood for Hacking\Phreaking\Anarchy\Virus\Cracking (Later Hacking borged cracking and the VC became Virus Creation). During the ANSI Wars the warez groups were raging along with the Artpack scene. Wardialing rival BBS system, narc'ing on the major PBX systems people were using to dial long distance BBS systems.... CreditMaster.... god it was a bloody war fought in the shadows.
Thoes crack screens really brought me back! RAZOR!!!
Meh. FAIRLIGHT!
@@peterobinson2546 Pizza!
th-cam.com/video/5aXsrYI3S6g/w-d-xo.html
Cracked by Randal flag
SKIDROW
I believe the GD-5000 was chosen due to being extremely cheap & available, also it matches the DVD read speed of the xbox IIRC.
the speed match is propably the reason due to the fact that the grabber grabbed every line of the disk not just certain parts and a difference of speed could corrupt that alignment for the later recreationprocess
I thought it was because the Xbox itself also used hitachi drives
@@rowjelio No not really microsoft changed out the dvd drives frequently on newer xbox versions
Those drives are crazy high priced now. Just looked up and the only ones I found are over 100€ $120
@@Deadpool-ODST just tried looking on ebay for this drive and no results were found. Probably gotta buy the whole computer to get the right drive at this point.
He skipped over tha fact that a big reason for the race was that the scene had rules. There was rarely multiple releases of the same game. That was against the rules
Unless it was a bad crack then you would get a scrolly saying this is to fix the blah blah release from blah blah!!
@Yorkshire Pud Yeah that's why we still see "proper" releases today.
Back in the day there were disk limits too. So if your release was too big, it could get nuked and replaced by another groups.
I miss having to uharc with the cool animated group logo and bitchin 8 bit music
Sitania The music was often the best part of most cracking scene releases for me.
@@Sitania Good times Beta 1.00 Beta 2.00 Beta 3.00 Sale release, Final Final Sales Release lol
it would be cool to see another more extensive video on scene groups, their secret rules and nukings and what not, atleast to me
YES PLEASE
I could write a book on it. Good times
@@dunkydog1676 maybe you should instead of being cryptic about it ;)
One of my favorite channels on TH-cam right now. You convinced me to pick up an original Xbox again!
Seriously, he convinced me to pick up a Wii U after I found out there's GameCube support! Playing Eternal Darkness on the gamepad while lying in bed is some next level shit.
@@killer1one1 The wii u is a wicked console. Very underutilized, like the wii awesome when modded. USB helper is awesome. There is aworkaround btw.
I just got a hard modded one today with a new 2TB hardrive
@@PremierLeagueProductions Never seen A Hard Modded Xbox I have 3 Soft Modded Xboxs and 1 went out
i own 8 original xboxes
I love these series. I always wanted to know the process behind these.
I still prefer to buy games but I have a healthy respect towards cracking, the ingenuity behind it is inspiring.
Dude I have watching you for some time. The quality of your vids are top notch bro. Keep it up
the original XBOX was my first ever modded system.
Good stuff, as always.
Man this was great. learned a lot. Thanks!
I'm really loving your recent content MVG, keep it up! Your last few videos have really struck a personal chord with me, and I look forward to seeing more similar stuff in the future.
A long, long time ago i knew a couple scene groups from Scandinavia. and i remember this they brute forced through custom firmware to let the laser start a different location.
Oh irc what fun times we had.
;]
The best form of protection before the internet became a thing was in my opinion the "insert manual page number/letter" method, everything got cracked but getting hold of the manual was a different thing. I actually had a bunch of games I couldn´t access because I didn´t have access to the manuals, these games didn´t require a crack, so release groups didn´t bother with them.
Long time lurker, but you most definitely have some high quality videos. I love modding consoles and your channel really is just perfect. Earned that sub
Subbed, love old scene history and facts! Your videos serve a great purpose for archiving the achievements of these groups and individuals.
man i love your videos. you are such a king making us having a little insight about these console workarounds. Respect
I love all of your videos. They are very informative and well made. You deserve way more subscribers
Sometime I would love to see a video from you about how the scene groups worked in more detail. Keep up the great work!
good call
Love your format for these videos. The narrative and technical details are both engaging.
One of your best mate ! It was so cool too get some insight into this 👍
FairLight, Razor1911, Deviance
ahh the good old days
love your videos. You share a lot of your knowledge with us, with style
Dude i love these OG Xbox videos so fascinating! Keep em comin!!
This is the best TH-cam channel, I remember hot-swapping back in the day. I've got like 6 OG Xbox's right now that I'm going to go through and mod them all
I always love watching your videos, it's super informative and entertaining.
Edutainment! Learning is fun 🤓
You’ve just made me remember when I had a french pirate copy of halo 2 a week before the uk launch version.
If I’d of known about that dvd drive back in the day 🤦♂️
I used those releases all the time. Was always curious how they were done. Your video was very informative and you presented everything in an interesting manner. Thanks!
MVG you're so awesome! I especially love your videos because you're a retro enthusiast WITH the technical know hows.
6:17 - I hear that Spyro 3 Paradox version theme in the background!
that would be Trainer2 by Estrayk : th-cam.com/video/B1ofhNfdN4g/w-d-xo.html
Just commenting to spread the video. Keep up the good work & I hope you get those Nintendo videos back.
Though I think he should make a big disclaimer considering how these methods may be seen as facilitating piracy. The fiasco with Nintendo's already troublesome enough as it is.
@@anniewarbucks1794 They have a point but they abuse it. Control is their real agenda. When a game and the hardware to run it is no longer available outside of an overpriced ebay listing that argument carries less weight. This is part of a campaign. First the ROM sites and now homebrew videos. As we are seeing with Apple when a company wants control of everything free speech consistently get screwed.
me too.
Congratulations for your channel, it's very informative and well packaged to watch!
These videos are great, always very interesting, I always learn stuff that I didn't know before. Some of the best gaming videos on TH-cam without a doubt.
More of this and more ps3 jailbreaking etc! Good job
@Manek Iridius - Who da fuk r u supposed to be? Why you gotta poetically label the guy?
YAR HAR FIDDLE DEE DEE
BEING A PIRATE IS ALRIGHT WITH ME
DO WHAT YOU WANT IT IS ALRIGHT WITH ME
BECAUSE BEING A PIRATE IS FREE
R YOU’RE A PIRATE
@@TexasHollowEarth Well this is pirating so he's just stating facts, but who tf cares. consoles are a rip off full stop, may as well make the most of whats available.
@@mikotomisaka-kbhd-3975 - The guy only commented on the video.... how does that make him a pirate? I thought it wasn't 'pc' to use labels on people. 'Jailbreaking or hacking a device doesn't make a person a pirate. It's shitty fail-logic like that that's led to people calling anyone who mods a device, a hacker. Horrible misuse of terminology these days.
@@TexasHollowEarth Lets face it, 90% of people pirate movies, music and games. Also it's freedom of speech and the internet, u'd have to be living under a rock to not see that EVERYONE on the internet is labeled.
Another amazing MVG video about XBOX!!
OG XBOX has to be my all time favorite console, what a beast it was.
I opened a non functioning X box and found a 10GB HD. 10 GB!!!
@@mikestanley9176 Damn. Did you ever get around to seeing what all it had stored on the HD?
@@rintinfin4440 I installed a 320GB into mine at the time I still have that xbox some where and the drive is about 3/4 full if memory serves right.
Great video, I love your channel for the sake of preservation. Keep up the good work
Outstanding video! Love’d hearing about these old school release groups again!
Love that music intro! Great video as always!
Two groups that stand out for me from my childhood memory: Eagle Soft from the C64 days and FBI (Future Brain Interactive) from early pc gaming. Always wondered what people are behind it.
Killing it with the Xbox videos, MVG. You've inspired me to finally plunge into the scene, just ripped out my clock cap the other day, waiting until I've got some extra cash to start ordering SATA converters and new hard drives.
great video mate , super interesting and informative. Really great to drill down in to the specifics of the scene, it feels like yesterday.
You should do a video on Dark Alex (PSP) and the history of his CFW inc enabling the PSX emulator. I remember when he released this on Christmas Day it was incredible
Yes definitely. I remember in highschool everybody had a PSP running dark Alex's firmware.
My psp still had dark Alex's firmware when it stopped working
Second that, Dark Alex was the king of the psp hacking. He got around firmware releases in no time. He was from Spain if I remember correctly.
th-cam.com/video/qIxKPu20R58/w-d-xo.html
The title made it look like “R.I.P Xbox discs”
I saw that.
Just watching the intro to this video with a lot of the Release Scene Groups like Fairlight, SKiD ROW, Reloaded and Razor1911 has me listening to Keygen Music RIGHT NOW!! It brings so many memories from back in 1999 and up to 2011! Awesome content as always!! Thanks!!
Oh man, this just stirred up a ton of memories! Thank you for the trip down memory lane! :)
Another excellent video, MVG!
It's always interesting to see this kind of stuff. Most of the people who use emulators on home consokes (myself included) don't know what goes on behind the scenes, how console security gets bypassed, how consoles are modded, how emulators are made to run, and all that good stuff.
These videos are meant to be informative and entertaining, and they do a hell of a job!
Sorry to hear about Nintendo busting your chops because they can't stand to realize their precious Switch can be tampered with, but don't give up, you do you; your efforts are greatly appreciated.
Greets from México.
I wish a had a father like you, seriously. Love you
I love videos like this man, hope you create more like it!
love ur vids high quality and thoroughly explained, just awesome content Keep it up!!
....wow those crack demos brought me back.... razor 1911 :D
keygenmusic.net
Enjoy these tunes
0:40 ".. to understand this better, we need to discuss release groups and how they operate."
*BUT FIRST, GAME-THEMED DANCE MUSIC*
I love this channel and your content, keep up the great work!!
I love your videos about scene and its history. I always wondered why topic is rarely covered. There are many books on history of video games, but no so much on history of piracy.
The dell you got there was one of our first computers my family ever had with Windows 98 that we got '98, good times!
Great video! I was more in to making trainers (Evox-T, X0RED). So much fun back then. I ended up giving XBMC my kernel hack and src so they could add support in their awesome program. Debug kits all the way!
Finally some answers to questions I had back in 7th grade. Love this
Love the channel! Doing good work man, keep it up
Paradox. That's a name I haven't heard in years.
(Also what is that keyboard used with the Dell Dimension?)
>Xbox 360
>Xbox circle
We ain't doin' geometry.
Sony always wins, baby, Sony ALWAYS wins. BALLIN!
Playstation fans play games naked with one another
You deserve more subscribers! I appreciate the time you take in your videos
I recently found your channel accidentally and have been addicted to your videos ever sense. Sub earned!
Love learning about this kind of stuff. Phenomenal as always
Dude, mad respect ^__^/ . Iv been looking for new ways to dump and preserve xbox games as I found that DVD2XBOX just makes a hot mess out of the game dump so i'm totally building one of these if I can find all the things. Thanks for putting the FW and utility up for all to download as well
Do not use these ancient tools to make your rips - they do not contain
all of the game data and create bad dumps.
Read the redump guides to
always know about the latest and most accurate backup method:
wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=Microsoft_Xbox_Dumping_Guide
I don't think these firmwares dump SS/DMI/PFI which are used for copy protection. They also extract the FATX partition, rather than doing a full ISO dump (which means a loss of layout information, which reduces performance and possibly breaks copy protection).
Producing the most interesting videos on youtube right now. Keep them coming.
This stuff is always so fascinating.. on another note, would love to see a vid on softmodding out the dsi, looks like its super easy since it has an sd card slot built on. Bad part though, the shoulder buttons tend to have issues.... great stuff as always!
Ah memories! I was in cracking and courier groups, probably over 15 or 20 (plus a scene reporting group 'RCN'). I used to be hugely into this during the late 80s, 90s and some 00s, but a fairly big motorcycle crash in 2006 that I'm still recovering from severe chronic pain and loss of arm function unfortunately had me stop "caring" about warez etc. Funny that, caring about one's own health instead of cracking and releasing, how selfish of me! heh
I used to have some of those Hitachi drives, this video brought back heaps of fun memories from those days, big thank you!!!! I made some awesome online friendships from back then, kept in contact with a few for over a decade after, say leaving grouo(s) we were in, but due to the aforementioned injury plus some other health issues, I've lost contact details with everyone I used to talk to online post leaving the warez scene. Mostly because a lot of the ways we used to chat online have either gone down/finished or lost login details.
Apologies if I'm hard to read, pain, chemotherapy treatment today has left me a bit "brain fuzzy" compared to usual. Anyway, shout out to anyone and everyone I had positive interactions with, and there were many, many, many. - undinism
Sorry about the accident :(
Hope you get back to💯% homie!!
That 5 1/4 floppy disk reader 🤣
And that loader/patch music😍
It was a 3.5 floppy on that demo intro, wasn't it? Great tunes, though.
@@NeuronalAxon I was talking about the computer in 3:11, it has both a 5 1/4 and a 3,5 floppy readers
@@soukai - Oh yeah, I saw the 5.25 on the actual PC, it was shown after the demo that I was thinking about.
wow, I always have wondered how these release groups work, so much information, Awesome video !!
Great stuff! Hoping you keep tabs on the 360 scene. Hoping for some major breakthroughs in the future
I'm a simple man, if i saw MVG uploaded a video i like it before watching it. Also for a small message for you MVG. If you are reading you are awesome. I started to watch you last year and i'm in love with the things you do. When you talk about things like this i can see you love doing these kind of videos. And for us fans you give a lot of knowledge who are familiar with homebrew and hacks but know little about how they do them or how they hacked consoles. I love what you are doing and i can see your videos are very well detailed and putted together. Thanks for being so awesome and for doing these videos. And also thank you for making my childhood awesome with the Doom psp port.
Pagan Min was a very complicated man if i remember right. Best game in the series btw .
Appreciate the kind words man!
Mvg forever live the scene 👀👍
The Razor splash screen brings back a ton of memories, and for that I thank you.
Nice video Lantus! I haven't heard the name Kreon in ages! I remember the 3 different Xbox DVD readers and having a Samsung with the two holes meant you could read CD VCD as well.
I used to be in ""the scene" some crazy shit used to happen like that time Sony tried to infiltrate the scene with a shitty video.
Yes a lot of shit happened, also quite a few raids by the police.
I remember when nobody wanted to share a nuke or even a dupe.
What do you mean by that video?
@@toone1562 Honestly I do not remember it entirely but something about how cool it is to rip of CDS and at the end of the video it was semi not cool or some shit. The video was to persuade others to make videos about themselves.
Waking up to a Hot Cup of Coffee and a New MVG Video todays gonna Rock...
I’ve learned a lot with this video! Loved how detailed it was, I currently own an original Xbox I’ve been wanting to back up copies of games I have, and would love to learn how to rip the games and then burn them on dvd 📀 rs! Obviously if mod chip is needed I’ll definitely learn to install that as well in order to play backups, so now I gotta be on the hunt for that specific dvd drive to read the full partition of the discs
This was only a History lesson. Today thing's are much simpler. Ton's of tutorial's here on TH-cam about more up to date way's to do thing's.
Great content man love your videos and the background of videogames
Gotta love these release groups, years back my wife and I had all our friends baffled when wee had super Mario Bros wii 5 weeks before official released
*I miss the days of burning my own games....PS1 - Modded - Xbox - Modded - 360- Modded...ahhh the good old days*
*why bold*
CDRWIN for the win.
Release group credits remind me of downloading "demos" from a BBS onto my Amiga. Love your videos!
Hehe. Nice.
*JESUS ON CHEESE!* I'm STILL amazed by what they pulled off with that thing!.. Anyone?
th-cam.com/video/v9ygiggex3c/w-d-xo.html
Ooh! Ooooh! Yeah! This one too!!!
Spaceballs - State of the Art
th-cam.com/video/c5kuYfTCGLg/w-d-xo.html
_(think about the file size......)_
Amazing video, A+ content. After all these years, it's finally been explained.
I had projectX on a physically modified Xbox. I swapped out the OG matte black for a clear green case too. :)
Pretty Nice Video , you are Awesome. Greetings from Germany !
Auch ein Deutscher, der MVG schaut :-)
Wonderful video, as always. keep up the good work
thank you , i always knew these games never worked ,your a good teacher ..your information gave me more of a understanding of these video games.and console
Goddamn, those cracktros and release group names bring me alllllllllllllllll the way back!!
Can you make a video about the mod chip xkey for the 360?
Xkey is useless best for you to get an RGH or a jtag
Ryan Mackie I don’t want to RGH I want him to make a video about the Xkey
Your videos are awesome! So intriguing
It's surreal seeing all of the intro examples at the start of the video and seeing the exact same Prestige logo as I have for the MK2 amiga copy. :D
Thumbnail: Rip XBOX discs.
My last brain cell: Rest in peace XBOX discs 🥀
Don't feel bad I thought the same
Could you make video about the ESR Disc Patcher for the PS2?
What is that
@@chocobillysranch9205 Its a program to read burnt dvd discs2 on the ps2. You need freemcboot (memory card hack)
@@aussieguy1012 aaah I remember that softmod thanks for the reply was wondering what it was.
The esr disc patcher program is really easy to get, I have it and also have my ps2 with freemcboot.
Awesome video. I love this stuff !! Please keep up the good work .. It's appreciated!!
I love technical videos like this, keep it up.
I swear one of the songs in this video is from ParaDox's Spyro 3 PSX demo screen ;)
i was scared of that song as a kid and i still dont know why
No idea why I wasn't subscribed, but I am now.
Luigi Master me too 👍🏼
Same.
I hope MVG shows us more behind the scenes stuff of the cracking scenes :) I've always wanted to learn more about how these guys do what they do.
@Joker no one cares :)