Getting ready for 1) People to see the word simcade as an insult 2) Miss the point made in the video entirely 3) Miss the point made as to why the term simcade becomes rather meaningless when you truly consider things. Next video I'll make sure is one that doesn't require any thinking 👍
Un-unsuscribed because you asked so nicely around the intro. Double negation is agreement so I'm subscribed again. Keep up the great work mate, someone gotta remain sane in this madness :D
What I love is the guy who AC Evo is using as one of its data points is a 40+ year race car driver (multiple disciplines) and he flat out said, most of the so-called hardcore simulators like iRacing, feel nothing like how real race cars handle at that level. He also said, many simulation game devs go out of their way to purposefully make sims harder than the real thing to help distinguish their game from the competition... Completely ignoring the reality of how easy (relative term) high performance race cars handle, but that their hardcore user base supposedly thinks is insanely difficult. Ironic. He said, if race cars were as difficult to drive as some games portray, there would be no motorsports and far more fatalities. Professional pilots have said the same thing about the major flight sims, too. They're games that are overly hard, so they can slap the name "simulator" on them when in reality, if planes were as "hardcore" as they claim, there would be no airline industry and far, far more fatalities than exist today.
" many simulation game devs go out of their way to purposefully make sims harder than the real thing" I think this is a result of trying to block unrealistic driving techneeques or exploits which then results in physics "turning off" when a car is pushed as aposed to cars being "unrealistically controlable" the key is a balance and its obviously very hard to get right and maybe also not exactly enterly objective as to where the point is.
@@PLAYER_42069 as a pilot I disagree with the fight sim thing. Flight sims are actually much easier than really life and the reason that none of them are used for training. All the flight sims we train on are designed specifically for that. What makes flight sims "hard" is the knowledge that required to with the systems and follow the rules of the national airspace system. Once you've got the knowledge flying really isn't that hard tbh
@@PLAYER_42069 truly so many elitist know it alls who are delusional AF. Eventually the truth will get through. Maybe even before they get on track and have a huge awakening to their ignorance.
I feel like I knew way more 'bout SimCade games BEFORE I started listening to this rambling... I now want time time to be reversed back to when I never had heard of this YT channel! Either that or plz give me back the brain cells I lost as a result of watching this!!
Arcade games were originally designed to make the player spend more money if they wanted to keep playing. In that sense, iRacing was the first and is still the greatest arcade racing sim in the world. It's also the most realistic.
iRacing is the most realistic?. You might get a backlash there. I race it and love it and it is unforgiving compared to other sims. It is definitely a sim aiming to be realistic. But I think AC1 tyre model feels more realistic. But the penalty system is much more realistic than any sim. if someone hits you in reality you loose out as do they. It also helps stop deliberate ramming and road warriors.
0:23 That unexpected USB disconnect sound puts me into a state of advanced technopanic. As for "Simcade is a totally useless and stupid term" - I could't agree more.
One can do a reality test on in game cars at say Monza vs the same car irl to check concerning speeds and braking etc. Some people can't drive simulators
I'm using AC1 as to learn how to drift. I have over 100+ hours on drifting and recently i've been to a drifting experience, and i have to say, all the muscle memory transfered quickly and i felt like i was doing it for years.
Yah It's amazing how good it transfers i think the lack of feel in the sim makes some real stuff even easier as there is more information in reality through your bum , be interesting to see if EVO does drifting even better than AC1
@@GamerMuscleVideos I could truly feel through all my body, when the car was starting to spin, so i knew based on the G forces and what i feel in my body, how and what to do in order to drift. It's a shame i only had 4 laps, i could have been on the track for days having fun.
No, you're just redefining 'simcade'. The simplest definition of 'simcade' is: 'a racing game using simplified handling'. Nothing to do with what the 'game' offers. Codemasters were originally brilliant at this, producing both the TOCA and Colin McRae series. Neither of these series had any 'game' elements, but were superb at offering compelling racing games with handling that almost felt like you were driving real cars, albeit somewhat easier than the real thing. In conclusion, EVO will probably be the opposite of simcade, that is, a game offering realistic physics, but with simcade elements, is why I won't be buying it, at least not until version 1.0. I'm quite happy with my boring track racers. Edit: I was referring to the original TOCA games i.e. 1 and 2.
@@gomezthechimp1116 Spot on. To my understanding, the sim vs. arcade was always: simulation: as true to real life as possible, hardcore, not casual-friendly. Arcade: less realistic, focusing more on gameplay, easier for the casual gamer to jump in and have fun. As for simcade: has aspects of realism (meant to capture the feeling at least) but still geared more towards the masses, so it's more accessible.
The video is literally about the word simcade , how it is defined and why it actually ends up being a floored term in reality when you really think about it. The video also offers multiple ways in which it's used as a term , how it's used as an insult and then how it's used in least disingenuous way ( basically how you also defined it). And then the video explains how this in reality is also flawed when you really think about it due to what has happened in reality with racing games and racing sims. Sure the video could have maybe been even more clear , I'm. Kt the best communicater and a bit thick at times but I think it actually did a reasonably good job of this outside of me literally also braking down what I'm doing in the video at the start.
@@lacko623 And what you have done is literally define every home racing sim as a simcade if you think about it 😂 Which is part of the point of the video 👍
In flight sims simcade difference is just about how deep fidelity goes in certain moments from perspective of how elaborated specific system was or certain physical effect is done
i do like the approach to build up the narrative that simcade means a game with simulation physics and ffb but that offers around this simulation level driving model a more arcade experience, meaning open world, meaning car collecting, meaning earning credits etc.
Nope. It'll be like 70 bucks Canadian, and thats fine by me, if thats too much for you, thats a you problem. I'll put a 1000 hours and at 7 cents an hour, 70 bucks is fine.
@@UnderwaterAlexJones I don't think it will be 70, but I'd be cool with it. But if it's actually a 'simcade', I won't buy it. I don't even know what gamermuscle is going on about up there
What...? Simcade? If you watch any of the interviews with Kunos they literally said, multiple times, is first than anything a proper sim and will always be the main goal. Having different interactive systems (which you can also just ignore/skip) doesn't make it a "simcade"
I think GM is trying to redefine what simcade means, and in some ways he has a point. A simulator that has gaming aspect to its play. At the moment the term simcade is used as an insult at games that are not realistic.
Yeah I understood he's trying to change its meaning by himself, but that is just dumb... Because there's still actual simcades, you can't have two different things called the same. And when Kunos itself said they are making their best simulator, wanting to call it that, it is just a stretch.
It´s an absurd term, especially applied to this game. People forget that you can say some things are casual. This can be both a hardcore simulator or a more casual simulator like AC1 was (preferably at the same time too). I mean, BeamNG is a hardcore as hell simulator with car ownership, hydraulic simulation, gas consumption, oil simulation, repairs and jobs, and people can algo go out and crash stuff mindlessly as well. It doesn´t make it a simcade.
The last time i enjoyed offline racing was in TOCA Race Driver 3, that game's career mode was amazing. If Kunos will create something like that, that'll be a huge success.
IRL career mode is the most realistic though. Start karting at age 6, work up the ladder until you get to 14 or 15, then don't progress because your parents can't afford to pay for the next stage.
omg, that's what I've just been saying, loved that game, easily my favourite 'simcade'. I was still playing it online with some friends last year, until one upgraded to Winblows 11 and it broke the patch.
I want more "game" in my "Sim" racing. It's like developers have forgotten how to add game to their titles. I'm 50 and no longer care for multi player races. I just want a game that feels great on my rig but has content that keeps me driving. Career modes and the like, some real sense of progression. You can shit on the F1 titles as much as you like but the "my team" mode and driver career modes are immersive enough to keep me playing. I wish someone would grab live for speed being the visuals upto current gen and make some sort of career mode and I would be in heaven. They don't even have to be proper licenced cars just makes em look and handle like what they are representing.
well no simcade is a mix between sim and arcade, more realistic than an arcade racing game but not nearly as realistic as a full sim, forza and gran turismo are simcades, assetto corsa evo is a sim
What happens when one of the most popular "simulators" on the market requires you to drive in a totally unnatural way and is arguably less realistic in many regards than the supposed obvious "simcade" games. How you use a piece of software basically defines how much of a sim it is , and then you can have a specific conversation on how good of a sim it actually is. As I explain in the video the term "simcade" actually doesn't really make sense and breaks down outside of it always having a very arbitrary definition.
you know i have been waiting for a sim to be a proper game, as much as i love sim racing not having careers etc makes it fairly boring to plod around on your own, im all for it as long as its more sim than cade
I dunno why studios keep spending so much money on development when all they should do is listen to this guy. I especially like his argumentation of what I can only describe as "the Schrödinger's sim", where a game is essentially both a simulator and an arcade game. But the cherry on top is when he says that 99% of the people "are not playing simulators in a way to directly simulate reality, but rather as a game, doing stuff such as playing to get iRating, having online races against other people, trying to get better to beat other drivers, racing against the AI, memorizing a robotic way of driving and not using it to prepare for racing in real life". If only this man could get up from his chair and learn a little bit of Latin he could be one of the greatest lawyers ever. I really appreciate how far he is willing to go to prove his point. This world needs more people like GamerMuscle. ❤
Project Gotham Racing 2 is perfect. Recently I bought classic Xbox for 3rd time just to play it again. Whole series is good but I just love car list in PGR2 the most. There is perfect progression in this game. The handling is on spot between sim and arcade. The car list is perfect for all types of petrol heads.
My main concern for Evo is VR optimisation. More cars & tracks , Open world, Multiplayer & Ranked racing will come without a doubt. As to Simcade, I think make it as realistic as possible, with options for driver aids so its accessible to everyone. Then have a great single player campaign, and have a casual multiplayer, where some driving aids are allowed. Then a serious Ranked multi player where most driving aids are not not allowed, focused on the realistic side. I pretty sure this is the way Kunos see it too, but with open world included too.
I think you get the term simcade completely wrong. All our simulator games are Games that's what gives them gameplay elements. With simulators, the differences in gameplay are made by racing rules and the simulation model itself. That is why the simulation flaws are legitimate gameplay critiques. This could mean that with all the difficult rules on, GT could even be considered a full simulator. The fact that it has less detail is a flaw that comes from hardware limitations, and not from the choice to make it arcade. What sets simcade apart is that it actively omits some racing rules or real details to make the whole package simpler. I would say that this choice is mostly motivated by a reduction in development time, as an extra bit of detail is always welcome, even onm a controller. Due to the freedoms taken in simcade titles, flaws in the simulation model don't even matter, so AC evo is quite a pure simulator as the most care is taken to model the cars in physical detail as well.
"What sets simcade apart is that it actively omits some racing rules or real details to make the whole package simpler " - That basically describes all sims on the market.
@GamerMuscleVideos You got me there... I'd say, up to a point. So the only true sim developers at the moment are Kunoz and whatever the studio behind LMU is called now... Regarding the racing rules and hybrid systems, your input makes me conclude that iRacing is definitely a simcade.
Funny thing about Forza is that if it was more realistic it would be easier to drive... Those heavy cars just keep on drifting forever and correcting a slide is a pain. But it is funny how Forza is considered a "simcade" by so many sim racers, meanwhile their favourite sim will suffer from issues that have the same magnitude while being marketed as "the most realistic" sim.
Simcade would be a game that has IN game credits, unlockable cars and upgradeable parts list. Most likely puts game play ahead of handling. The Simulator tries get has close to possible the feel of the car and track it's simulating and career mod might if it as one would be challenge races and time attacks.
The community forcing every racing game to "be a sim or gtfo" resulted in dinosaur type extinction of racing games in the mainstream. It's not about newton meters and feeling every grain of dirt, it's about having fun.
A bit off video topic but please give me your lights on this! How is the Nobsound amp that you are(were?) using? Faced any issues with you bass shakers in general as you connected 2 in 1 channel? Thank you in advance, I'm ready to order mine so I need you right now m8!! Congrats on your great work and your endless humor!
totally agree... and the pro-modders who get a license to dev in the game can create any type of environment and pro-driver scenario from ACKarting to F1! Going to be epic !
@@weswheel4834 Matt Malone dude, it's like an American GM but without the self rightousness and actual good driving. Lot of Iracing tho. But he is hilarious.
A video quite literally made about the word ‘simcade’ and how it’s a flawed term… I think. Absolutely riveting stuff James. It’s words written on a piece of paper, thrown into a hat, you put your hand in and pull out said words, today’s word was SIMCADE. Then you have a pie chart on a whiteboard I’m guessing with a few categories 1= CONVERSATION ABOUT FFB 2= IRACINGS PHYSICS 3= PHILOSOPHY ABOUT LUCKY DIPPED WORD 4=COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING IN LIFE in my mind you have a spinny wheel thing, you spin that and which ever category it lands in, you then make a video talking about the lucky dip word. Then use a thumbnail that engages, ramble using big words to appear smarter than the average sim racer then CHA CHING!!!! We upload baby
Just a hamster on a wheel in my head No Cha Ching from videos like this , probably negative Cha Ching given that you can print money doing hardware reviews / guides or selling people on driver coaching.
With only 5 tracks in Early access I will be the same. But this will only grow. Most wont leave iRacing as they, like me have spent over $500 on content.
look gt7 in vr2 is amazing and i find my own fun but i do agree, the game really does lack in content, absolutely cannot wait for ac evo, fingers crossed it comes to vr2 otherwise it looks like i'll be upgrading my rig for this.
Well, I think the invocation of the word arcade isn't just that the title is gamey, but that it's not at all realistic physics-wise. A sign that a title might be a simulator is that it contains elements that no-one in their right mind would include because they're so annoying and detract from the fun element but do however serve to re-direct sim racers' innate masochism through the excuse that this is what happens in real life.
I'm not worried about on the road driving, and If they nail off road as well as i(plenty of stuff indicating that it would be a proper thing) as well as giving us interesting things to do with the open world, then it should be an amazing title.
FINALLY somebody who understands it all, and people who throw shade at anyone else enjoying a game needs to find a happy place to center themselves and move on. I have just as much playing forza and tokyo extreme racer as i do iracing and ACC. I know professional racers that still enjoy mario kart as something to just have fun with. GREAT GREAT video, keep up the great work.
I want more games with realistic driving physics, but more actual gameplay. Like forza horizon but more realistic handling, or something less racing focused like stunt driving, or car combat.
That's fair enough it's definitely subjective I personally prefer original burnout games , really snappy arcade stuff or something with a really compelling drift mechanic that has some depth. I don't really like the weird sluggish semi realistic physics that can't seem to decide what they are. Recent GTA games are probably the best example of the worst of both worlds
@@richmachin6741 Honestly learning actual comp drifting on the ac1 made me completely numb to any drifting in other games. It all just feels so lifeless and weird. Need for speed for example just feels like you're on rails, the crew just is god awful there's no resemblance of drifting in those games. Even the Horizon games feel super assisted. It's like you can spot the point when the game is like "oh you're drifting now let's put on the drift physics so you slide and slide". BeamNG is very fun for it though. Works alright on controller too to my knowledge. Now, if people are out here talking about drift mechanics like Mario kart then that's a whole different thing. Those are more like slide mechanics.
You raise a really interesting point Mr Muscle, when you make the comment you made from the 5:54 mark. Basically saying that none of the games are truly Simulators... I say this cos in my own Sim/Game Racing past, the hardest game I can remember playing, was arguably the original Gran Prix Legends. So my point is something I have personally held for a long time. And that is here in Australia, our biggest Series is V8 SUPERCARS. But it takes a very special driver to master it. So I'm simply saying than can a TRUE SIMUL;ATOR ever really exist - when if it suddenly did - most of us grumpy complaining trolls would simply say.......... IT'S TOO BLOODY HARD!!! (when arguably most of us couldn't race a real racing car well anyway??? ; )
It better come out on time, I've got Thursday and Friday off! (Seen the theory that it is going to initially cost $50 based on the cost on some key sites?)
I'd imagine EA will cost 25-29.99 Marco has said in interviews they want to surprise people with the price , I'm quite sure they will hit the EA date they set
I play iracing because it feels like the most realistic interpretation of how cars react in real life. Rfactor 2 used to be good. But the physics feel a bit too varied to the extreme, between cars. And I can't quite get the feedback spot on with my T818.
decades ago, racing games existed in a binary state. ZERO realistic physics (Daytona USA, Pole Position, Ridge Racer) or ALL the physics the current hardware could muster. (Grand Prix Legends) But these days, even 'arcade' style racers employ basic but forgiving physics; so these games are now on a sliding scale. So, I think that unless the devs move the physics sliders all the way to hardcore realism, then all racing games are kinda 'simcade' in that way. ...and that's ok, I like them both; just depends on my mood and what I want to drive that particular day or moment.
First of all how dare you claim Daytona is not realistic ! - banned for life , how could you know have you ever driven an oval indoor track with waterfalls ? Are you a profestional real world oval driver ? Are you a GT3 or F1 driver ? Do you own a race car ? Yes also all the "sims" have a ton of elements that are more gamey by accident or intentionally so again - Everything is basically simcade but either more or less realistic or more or less worse lol - which is why the term Simcade basically is meaningless - but if its not , its why ACE will be the greatest simcade ever made !
I love Simulator(games) and the more accurate physics the more fun it is. 58 and no need for arcade magic.(not saying they're bad just not for me ) The only thing more fun than a car game is a motorcycle game and it would be incredible if they add motorcycles to the game eventfully.
When talking about video games, the term "simulation" doesn't mean it's a software made to train for real life, it simply means it's a game with a relatively realistic gameplay, aimed to simulate the reality. So even if the term simcade (and arcade too) is constantly pejoratively missused by sim elitists, to the core it serves its purpose, to designate games that lean toward realism, without having enough advanced physics to be called a simulation. It's just to fill a void between arcade and simulation, for games that are not clearly in one of those categories like GT, Forza Motorsport, Project Cars or F1 games. At some point, people were talking more about arcade, simulation instead of simcade, and realsim or hardcore sim instead of simulation. The gameplay is the main element determining in which category a game is. Using a touge or open world map in AC doesn't make it a simcade game, it's still a simulation. If AC EVO has a proper career mode, it still will be a simulation, just a less archaic/minimalist one and a better game, which is pretty much what GM implies in the end.
A simulator, to me, is software that SIMULATES a thing so people can train in the simulator or test things in the simulator without real-life risks and costs. It doesn't even have to be super realistic, paradoxically, so long as it has what's needed for training purposes. E.g. if you use the special military version of Operation Flashpoint (now ArmA), Virtual Battlefield or whatever it's called, and you use it to show your recruits how to set up a realistic road block and what that's meant to look like, it doesn't matter that you can barely walk through a door in that horrendously sluggish game engine. You can't simulate storming a building because the game neither has detailed building interiors (doesn't even have doors!) nor appropriate movement for this type of scenario, but you can use it to simulate how to drive in a convoy, how to secure flanks, what to look for at the horizon, etc. It doesn't need sim-level vehicle physics for that. There also doesn't need to be a working, cinematic singleplayer campaign or multiplayer with any kind of workable balance! It's not a game. Operation Flashpoint (now ArmA) is a game. It has simulation elements (e.g. bullet drop and travel over distances) but it's a game. It doesn't SIMULATE training scenarios and it doesn't SIMULATE its battles in a meaningful way, where you could run the same mission a hundred times to get statistics about how a similar real-life mission might go down. It has nothing to do with that. It's entirely unusable for that. It's a game, like in an arcade, but it has sim elements, so I guess it could be a simcade. However, I accept that "sim", in videogame terms, is used as shorthand for "it's more realistic than most games in this genre". In that sense, it's a "sim". It's far more realistic than Quake, Counterstrike or even Ghost Recon. Case in point, there used to be space shooters and space combat sims. Freespace 2, people call a space combat sim. What's it simulating? Real space ships? Real laser weapons? No. It's not simulating ANYTHING, but it has a more realistic veneer than other space shooters. (Sill, even stretching the definition to the breaking point, the term "immersive sim" is like nails on a chalk-board to me. What is Deux Ex SIMULATING, exactly? What is Deux Ex more realistic than? Rainbow Six? SWAT3? Baldur's Gate 2? The Sims? "Immersive sim" means Deux-Ex-like, with multiple approaches to quests, vent shafts, doors to hack or break open, stealth or guns-blazing approaches... I get it, don't explain it to me, but "immersive sim" is a terrible, terrible name for this genre.) AC Evo, from everything I heard about it so far, is going to be a GAME. You know, like in an arcade... AC1 is severely lacking in its GAME aspect, in my opinion. I preferred playing Forza Motorsports 7 for a long time, even with its mushy physics and lackadaisical car specs, because it was a good GAME. Had a singleplayer that took me through a wide variety of wacky races, with historic cars, with racing trucks (!), on scenic race tracks like a gorgeous fictional one set in Prague... Just all manner of fun racing. AC Evo is promising to be a good GAME, and if it comes with physics that rival or surpass AC1 in realism, all the better because while I was playing FM7, I constantly wished it had physics like AC. By all means, marry "sim" and "arcade" in this way and give us a great "simcade"! The problem with racing games is that people, for some reason, want to feel like they're better than some kid who's playing a "racing game" like in an arcade... They want to be adults who are training on their "simulator". They spent good money on the equipment. They get very invested in how close to a simulation their chosen game is. If it were an arcade game, that would make them kids! Easily fooled kids who don't know how a real race car behaves and who are wasting time in games. So "arcade" or even "simcade" are grave insults to them. -- I had to chuckle when that news broke that the new hypercar in iRacing is too fast in corners or whatever. The initial tweet immediately called this "arcade". Because yeah, getting some values wrong in your long-running, notoriously uncompromising, top-end of the consumer racing sim market, racing sim... suddenly turned it into Sega Rally or Outrun. With high-score numbers popping up with a loud ka-ching sound or that old-timey Sega announcer yelling at you. Sim racers are a special breed.
I spent a year away from my ps5 playing all the other titles and I do mean all of them on a good pc with a full asetek setup and nice profile rig and I can’t explain how much Ive missed gran turismo… none of the other games have the heart and soul of gt7 and it’s not even close haha. To be fair I haven’t gotten back on to gt7 with a good wheel yet so I haven’t really seen what the gameplay is like in that way after seeing all the other titles but there is nothing like it.
I kind of agree that if they introduce cash prizes for winning, renting/buying cars etc this may smell a bit more arcadey. But to compare with other games, is Euro Truck Simulator called a simcade? If yes, then ok. Otherwise I prefer to consider AC Evo a sim with role-playing elements.
Good to see that you don't rely on clickbait-titles anymore😃 You were just re-defining the word "simcade" as sim-games with gameplay elements, completely ignoring the 'arcade' in this word-creation, which means easy to learn thanks to simplified control-mechanism for higher accessibility, so simlified physics. I hope this won't be true...
GT , WRC , F1 are the main "simcade" titles all of which have very complex physics in some ways have more realistic driving than some leading non "simcade" titles and are also marketed around their realism. The point of the video is that when you actually get into it the term "simcade" is actually fairly useless as it doesn't even really describe a specific category. Playing GT, WRC , F1 is no more accessable to drive than RF2 with assists on or some other sims with assists on that are built into the games. Those "simcade" games and even "sims" are often harder and less intuitive to drive than real world cars regardless. Basically - I invent the word bibflobody and in that category I put a bunch of games that kinda superficially have some similarities so these are all bibflobody titles , not sure how that really helps anyone. Basically it's a Pseudo-genre But if we are going to keep it , AC Evo would then end up being the ultimate simcade as it should be accessable , have designed gameplay , also have realistic physics but also assists , will probably be on console with gamepad support.
How many of the games /simulators let you actually totally crash or flip your car? The real life being nervous about the car crashing and not being able to complete the race? The simulation of the car crashing and fuel and oil and debris must been cleard out before the race can continue... I mean BeamNG has those elements. THen you have car brand livcense that don't want you to scratch or crash their crars.
Imagine if they add guns and police chases, would be absolutely sick in VR. Having the most realistic driving + the most realistic shooting in one game would be insane.
Getting ready for
1) People to see the word simcade as an insult
2) Miss the point made in the video entirely
3) Miss the point made as to why the term simcade becomes rather meaningless when you truly consider things.
Next video I'll make sure is one that doesn't require any thinking 👍
Lol
@@GamerMuscleVideos but then we will be thinking about why it doesn’t require any thinking!
Your next video will be 10 hours of Subway Surfers gameplay? Splendid!
I'll pick option 2), but I was triggered & rage quit as soon as you tried to defend 'simcades', so it was never really a fair fight. 😀
Un-unsuscribed because you asked so nicely around the intro. Double negation is agreement so I'm subscribed again.
Keep up the great work mate, someone gotta remain sane in this madness :D
I feel like GM just spends his days arguing with himself
And some guy called James West 👍
It feels like that's an important skill for a lot of youtubers ;)
And sometimes winning.
Oh, it isn't just with himself :D
As an Englishman, that's just the life of an Englishman.
What I love is the guy who AC Evo is using as one of its data points is a 40+ year race car driver (multiple disciplines) and he flat out said, most of the so-called hardcore simulators like iRacing, feel nothing like how real race cars handle at that level. He also said, many simulation game devs go out of their way to purposefully make sims harder than the real thing to help distinguish their game from the competition... Completely ignoring the reality of how easy (relative term) high performance race cars handle, but that their hardcore user base supposedly thinks is insanely difficult. Ironic.
He said, if race cars were as difficult to drive as some games portray, there would be no motorsports and far more fatalities. Professional pilots have said the same thing about the major flight sims, too. They're games that are overly hard, so they can slap the name "simulator" on them when in reality, if planes were as "hardcore" as they claim, there would be no airline industry and far, far more fatalities than exist today.
" many simulation game devs go out of their way to purposefully make sims harder than the real thing" I think this is a result of trying to block unrealistic driving techneeques or exploits which then results in physics "turning off" when a car is pushed as aposed to cars being "unrealistically controlable" the key is a balance and its obviously very hard to get right and maybe also not exactly enterly objective as to where the point is.
@@PLAYER_42069 as a pilot I disagree with the fight sim thing. Flight sims are actually much easier than really life and the reason that none of them are used for training. All the flight sims we train on are designed specifically for that. What makes flight sims "hard" is the knowledge that required to with the systems and follow the rules of the national airspace system. Once you've got the knowledge flying really isn't that hard tbh
@@PLAYER_42069 truly so many elitist know it alls who are delusional AF. Eventually the truth will get through. Maybe even before they get on track and have a huge awakening to their ignorance.
Wow very interesting. I believe what you said is true.
Is there a video interview with this guy? Would like to see him speaking about this
Never in the history of Humanity was so much spoken, and so little said.
Luckily for you that you don't watch anything about politics :D
You are lucky you don't have to deal with lawyers regularly 😂
maybe GM should become a barrister 🤔
@studlydudly absolutely
Ever seen a mike baker podcast?
I feel like I knew way more 'bout SimCade games BEFORE I started listening to this rambling... I now want time time to be reversed back to when I never had heard of this YT channel! Either that or plz give me back the brain cells I lost as a result of watching this!!
I wish iRacing and AC Evo would use proper tyre models... like in NFS Hot Pursuit or Simpsons Hit and Run.
@@JACKZERYT haha true! bro I love your videos 🇬🇧
@billyglimstead5204 💙
Burnout has the best tyre-model.
Click bait title..
Arcade games were originally designed to make the player spend more money if they wanted to keep playing. In that sense, iRacing was the first and is still the greatest arcade racing sim in the world. It's also the most realistic.
Interesting points in the first two sentences. Surely the third is a tad debatable though?
@@weswheel4834”It’s also the most realistic.” It’s taken from IRacing commercial. It’s a bit of a meme. Now you know. 🤓
@@terjehelle Ah okay, thanks :)
iRacing is the most realistic?. You might get a backlash there. I race it and love it and it is unforgiving compared to other sims. It is definitely a sim aiming to be realistic. But I think AC1 tyre model feels more realistic. But the penalty system is much more realistic than any sim. if someone hits you in reality you loose out as do they. It also helps stop deliberate ramming and road warriors.
exactly like LMU and Rennsport, both of em are also arcady
i hate it when people say "it's not a game but a smulator". In reality, they're all videogames.
0:23 That unexpected USB disconnect sound puts me into a state of advanced technopanic.
As for "Simcade is a totally useless and stupid term" - I could't agree more.
One can do a reality test on in game cars at say Monza vs the same car irl to check concerning speeds and braking etc.
Some people can't drive simulators
I'm using AC1 as to learn how to drift. I have over 100+ hours on drifting and recently i've been to a drifting experience, and i have to say, all the muscle memory transfered quickly and i felt like i was doing it for years.
Yah It's amazing how good it transfers i think the lack of feel in the sim makes some real stuff even easier as there is more information in reality through your bum , be interesting to see if EVO does drifting even better than AC1
@@GamerMuscleVideos I could truly feel through all my body, when the car was starting to spin, so i knew based on the G forces and what i feel in my body, how and what to do in order to drift. It's a shame i only had 4 laps, i could have been on the track for days having fun.
No, you're just redefining 'simcade'. The simplest definition of 'simcade' is: 'a racing game using simplified handling'. Nothing to do with what the 'game' offers. Codemasters were originally brilliant at this, producing both the TOCA and Colin McRae series. Neither of these series had any 'game' elements, but were superb at offering compelling racing games with handling that almost felt like you were driving real cars, albeit somewhat easier than the real thing. In conclusion, EVO will probably be the opposite of simcade, that is, a game offering realistic physics, but with simcade elements, is why I won't be buying it, at least not until version 1.0. I'm quite happy with my boring track racers. Edit: I was referring to the original TOCA games i.e. 1 and 2.
@@gomezthechimp1116 Spot on. To my understanding, the sim vs. arcade was always: simulation: as true to real life as possible, hardcore, not casual-friendly. Arcade: less realistic, focusing more on gameplay, easier for the casual gamer to jump in and have fun.
As for simcade: has aspects of realism (meant to capture the feeling at least) but still geared more towards the masses, so it's more accessible.
The video is literally about the word simcade , how it is defined and why it actually ends up being a floored term in reality when you really think about it.
The video also offers multiple ways in which it's used as a term , how it's used as an insult and then how it's used in least disingenuous way ( basically how you also defined it).
And then the video explains how this in reality is also flawed when you really think about it due to what has happened in reality with racing games and racing sims.
Sure the video could have maybe been even more clear , I'm. Kt the best communicater and a bit thick at times but I think it actually did a reasonably good job of this outside of me literally also braking down what I'm doing in the video at the start.
@@lacko623 And what you have done is literally define every home racing sim as a simcade if you think about it 😂
Which is part of the point of the video 👍
TOCA's handling and phyisics model wasn't remotely realistic though.
It's laughably bad by today's standards.
TOCA RD3 is peak imo.
In flight sims simcade difference is just about how deep fidelity goes in certain moments from perspective of how elaborated specific system was or certain physical effect is done
I am hoping Evo is like grand Turismo and Forza with better FFB and physics.
Having a USB disconnect sound in a video should be instant de-monetization, or death, or something.
i do like the approach to build up the narrative that simcade means a game with simulation physics and ffb but that offers around this simulation level driving model a more arcade experience, meaning open world, meaning car collecting, meaning earning credits etc.
Is anyone else worried that they still have not priced the early access price for EVO?
Nope. It'll be like 70 bucks Canadian, and thats fine by me, if thats too much for you, thats a you problem. I'll put a 1000 hours and at 7 cents an hour, 70 bucks is fine.
@@UnderwaterAlexJones I don't think it will be 70, but I'd be cool with it.
But if it's actually a 'simcade', I won't buy it. I don't even know what gamermuscle is going on about up there
$35 bucks US... Mark it down
46 euros on allkeyshop
Affraid to go bankrupt? Quit sim racing...
What I've seen on release date of AC EVO
I will go back to AMS2 and buy all their DLC.
For me personally what makes a game a simcade vs sim is what it has prioritized in its development
What...? Simcade? If you watch any of the interviews with Kunos they literally said, multiple times, is first than anything a proper sim and will always be the main goal.
Having different interactive systems (which you can also just ignore/skip) doesn't make it a "simcade"
I think GM is trying to redefine what simcade means, and in some ways he has a point. A simulator that has gaming aspect to its play. At the moment the term simcade is used as an insult at games that are not realistic.
Bro didn't watch the video smh
Yeah I understood he's trying to change its meaning by himself, but that is just dumb...
Because there's still actual simcades, you can't have two different things called the same.
And when Kunos itself said they are making their best simulator, wanting to call it that, it is just a stretch.
It´s an absurd term, especially applied to this game. People forget that you can say some things are casual.
This can be both a hardcore simulator or a more casual simulator like AC1 was (preferably at the same time too).
I mean, BeamNG is a hardcore as hell simulator with car ownership, hydraulic simulation, gas consumption, oil simulation, repairs and jobs, and people can algo go out and crash stuff mindlessly as well. It doesn´t make it a simcade.
GM is such a good influenser I bought a carpet.
He gave you flu?
Another happy byer !
All I want is the physics of AC and the storyline of a NFS title. Would be a blast
The last time i enjoyed offline racing was in TOCA Race Driver 3, that game's career mode was amazing. If Kunos will create something like that, that'll be a huge success.
IMO Grid Autosport has the best AI racing I ever tried. Sadly physics are average at best and singleplayer structure lacks any personality.
True, Never ever again I had that sense of enjoyment
IRL career mode is the most realistic though. Start karting at age 6, work up the ladder until you get to 14 or 15, then don't progress because your parents can't afford to pay for the next stage.
Oh boy let me cry. Best game ever
omg, that's what I've just been saying, loved that game, easily my favourite 'simcade'. I was still playing it online with some friends last year, until one upgraded to Winblows 11 and it broke the patch.
I want more "game" in my "Sim" racing. It's like developers have forgotten how to add game to their titles. I'm 50 and no longer care for multi player races. I just want a game that feels great on my rig but has content that keeps me driving. Career modes and the like, some real sense of progression. You can shit on the F1 titles as much as you like but the "my team" mode and driver career modes are immersive enough to keep me playing. I wish someone would grab live for speed being the visuals upto current gen and make some sort of career mode and I would be in heaven. They don't even have to be proper licenced cars just makes em look and handle like what they are representing.
Exactly and this is precicely why I think EVO could end up doing really well and also be the first really true "simcade"
^^^ this 👆
Spot on. I feel like after Gran turismo 4, devs forgot how to make a fun career.
well no simcade is a mix between sim and arcade, more realistic than an arcade racing game but not nearly as realistic as a full sim, forza and gran turismo are simcades, assetto corsa evo is a sim
What happens when one of the most popular "simulators" on the market requires you to drive in a totally unnatural way and is arguably less realistic in many regards than the supposed obvious "simcade" games.
How you use a piece of software basically defines how much of a sim it is , and then you can have a specific conversation on how good of a sim it actually is.
As I explain in the video the term "simcade" actually doesn't really make sense and breaks down outside of it always having a very arbitrary definition.
'Simcade' is such a weird word. It's pronounced 'simcade', but it's spelt 'Automobilista 2'. 🤔
you know i have been waiting for a sim to be a proper game, as much as i love sim racing not having careers etc makes it fairly boring to plod around on your own, im all for it as long as its more sim than cade
I dunno why studios keep spending so much money on development when all they should do is listen to this guy.
I especially like his argumentation of what I can only describe as "the Schrödinger's sim", where a game is essentially both a simulator and an arcade game.
But the cherry on top is when he says that 99% of the people "are not playing simulators in a way to directly simulate reality, but rather as a game, doing stuff such as playing to get iRating, having online races against other people, trying to get better to beat other drivers, racing against the AI, memorizing a robotic way of driving and not using it to prepare for racing in real life".
If only this man could get up from his chair and learn a little bit of Latin he could be one of the greatest lawyers ever. I really appreciate how far he is willing to go to prove his point. This world needs more people like GamerMuscle. ❤
GM, you sir, are one of a kind.. and i mean in such a Good way.! You Never fail to me make laugh, in a world that seems so angry.
Project Gotham Racing 2 is perfect. Recently I bought classic Xbox for 3rd time just to play it again. Whole series is good but I just love car list in PGR2 the most. There is perfect progression in this game. The handling is on spot between sim and arcade. The car list is perfect for all types of petrol heads.
I totally agree with you!!!
I wish this guy was a mate and I could chat about sims over a pint. Love this stuff. I can't talk about this stuff with anyone I know.
Can you turn off more lights for your next video please.
Forza Horizon with proper physics and wheel support would be awesome.
My main concern for Evo is VR optimisation. More cars & tracks , Open world, Multiplayer & Ranked racing will come without a doubt.
As to Simcade, I think make it as realistic as possible, with options for driver aids so its accessible to everyone. Then have a great single player campaign, and have a casual multiplayer, where some driving aids are allowed. Then a serious Ranked multi player where most driving aids are not not allowed, focused on the realistic side. I pretty sure this is the way Kunos see it too, but with open world included too.
So an updated version of Toca rd3.
I think you get the term simcade completely wrong.
All our simulator games are Games that's what gives them gameplay elements.
With simulators, the differences in gameplay are made by racing rules and the simulation model itself. That is why the simulation flaws are legitimate gameplay critiques.
This could mean that with all the difficult rules on, GT could even be considered a full simulator. The fact that it has less detail is a flaw that comes from hardware limitations, and not from the choice to make it arcade.
What sets simcade apart is that it actively omits some racing rules or real details to make the whole package simpler. I would say that this choice is mostly motivated by a reduction in development time, as an extra bit of detail is always welcome, even onm a controller.
Due to the freedoms taken in simcade titles, flaws in the simulation model don't even matter, so AC evo is quite a pure simulator as the most care is taken to model the cars in physical detail as well.
"What sets simcade apart is that it actively omits some racing rules or real details to make the whole package simpler " - That basically describes all sims on the market.
@GamerMuscleVideos You got me there...
I'd say, up to a point. So the only true sim developers at the moment are Kunoz and whatever the studio behind LMU is called now...
Regarding the racing rules and hybrid systems, your input makes me conclude that iRacing is definitely a simcade.
Funny thing about Forza is that if it was more realistic it would be easier to drive... Those heavy cars just keep on drifting forever and correcting a slide is a pain.
But it is funny how Forza is considered a "simcade" by so many sim racers, meanwhile their favourite sim will suffer from issues that have the same magnitude while being marketed as "the most realistic" sim.
I’m training in AC for real life roaming and complaining about curbs. I’m 99.2% complete
Real life roaming is not as realistic tbh.
Simcade would be a game that has IN game credits, unlockable cars and upgradeable parts list. Most likely puts game play ahead of handling. The Simulator tries get has close to possible the feel of the car and track it's simulating and career mod might if it as one would be challenge races and time attacks.
The community forcing every racing game to "be a sim or gtfo" resulted in dinosaur type extinction of racing games in the mainstream. It's not about newton meters and feeling every grain of dirt, it's about having fun.
A bit off video topic but please give me your lights on this!
How is the Nobsound amp that you are(were?) using?
Faced any issues with you bass shakers in general as you connected 2 in 1 channel?
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Congrats on your great work and your endless humor!
totally agree... and the pro-modders who get a license to dev in the game can create any type of environment and pro-driver scenario from ACKarting to F1! Going to be epic !
There isn't a chance that Evo comes under the umbrella of Simcade.
Did you watch the video, or just not understand it?
@@rexoid0800 I didn't watch it and I didn't have to. The title is "Assetto Corsa EVO - Will Be The First Ever Proper SimCade Game".
Some people dont like to have their beliefs challenged. It makes them think. @@rexoid0800
Introduction basically "I've used a totally useless and stupid term in my video title". Right that's it, definitely unsubbed this time!
Good choice, did that a long time ago.
@@MrBreakthompson Make sense. I'm a bit stuck on what to do while I drink tea now though.
@@weswheel4834 Matt Malone dude, it's like an American GM but without the self rightousness and actual good driving. Lot of Iracing tho. But he is hilarious.
A video quite literally made about the word ‘simcade’ and how it’s a flawed term… I think.
Absolutely riveting stuff James.
It’s words written on a piece of paper, thrown into a hat, you put your hand in and pull out said words, today’s word was SIMCADE. Then you have a pie chart on a whiteboard I’m guessing with a few categories
1= CONVERSATION ABOUT FFB
2= IRACINGS PHYSICS
3= PHILOSOPHY ABOUT LUCKY DIPPED WORD
4=COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING IN LIFE
in my mind you have a spinny wheel thing, you spin that and which ever category it lands in, you then make a video talking about the lucky dip word. Then use a thumbnail that engages, ramble using big words to appear smarter than the average sim racer then CHA CHING!!!! We upload baby
Just a hamster on a wheel in my head
No Cha Ching from videos like this , probably negative Cha Ching given that you can print money doing hardware reviews / guides or selling people on driver coaching.
I have a feeling I'm going to play EVO, but iRacing will still be my #1 driving experience.
With only 5 tracks in Early access I will be the same. But this will only grow. Most wont leave iRacing as they, like me have spent over $500 on content.
another member of the iRenting cult of sunk cost. just check out. its not worth your money.
@@no1computerrepairguy Same here
I do hope Tokyo Expressway makes an updated return to ACEvo especially in VR.
It’s a realistic driving simulator, that’s been treated as a game. Quality!!
Exactly ! I think it's what most people have wanted for years.
I feel like BeamNG was the first actual simcade in this sense, AC EVO will just be the second and for most people better
I just hope they offer modern consumer cars as well, not just super cars. I want to see the ability to upgrade a Honda Civic if I want to
look gt7 in vr2 is amazing and i find my own fun but i do agree, the game really does lack in content, absolutely cannot wait for ac evo, fingers crossed it comes to vr2 otherwise it looks like i'll be upgrading my rig for this.
So the theory is that ACE could be realistic but also lots of fun? Hope so :)
I think "authentic" is a better word vs. realistic in that context.
@ I probably should have included the word ‘relatively’.
I think it will be very realistic but also have more gameplay than what is typically found in many simulators hence it being a proper simcade tite.
@@GamerMuscleVideos It is an interesting usage of the word but I see your point. Hopefully it will be because that does sound like a lot of fun :)
Always complaining
I play because I like racing. I don't care if the handling isn't perfect as long as it's not like Forza Motorsport 😂
Fun fact : the "U" in USB stands for unsubscribe 😂
Well, I think the invocation of the word arcade isn't just that the title is gamey, but that it's not at all realistic physics-wise. A sign that a title might be a simulator is that it contains elements that no-one in their right mind would include because they're so annoying and detract from the fun element but do however serve to re-direct sim racers' innate masochism through the excuse that this is what happens in real life.
I'm not worried about on the road driving, and If they nail off road as well as i(plenty of stuff indicating that it would be a proper thing) as well as giving us interesting things to do with the open world, then it should be an amazing title.
you got a sub love u
FINALLY somebody who understands it all, and people who throw shade at anyone else enjoying a game needs to find a happy place to center themselves and move on. I have just as much playing forza and tokyo extreme racer as i do iracing and ACC. I know professional racers that still enjoy mario kart as something to just have fun with. GREAT GREAT video, keep up the great work.
I want more games with realistic driving physics, but more actual gameplay. Like forza horizon but more realistic handling, or something less racing focused like stunt driving, or car combat.
8:51 nah cant agree with that. I understand what youre saying but still much prefer Horizon physics over lets say Need For Speed, a truly arcade game.
That's fair enough it's definitely subjective
I personally prefer original burnout games , really snappy arcade stuff or something with a really compelling drift mechanic that has some depth.
I don't really like the weird sluggish semi realistic physics that can't seem to decide what they are.
Recent GTA games are probably the best example of the worst of both worlds
Which game(s) would you say have a really compelling drift mechanic; would like to try them if I haven’t already…
@@richmachin6741 Honestly learning actual comp drifting on the ac1 made me completely numb to any drifting in other games. It all just feels so lifeless and weird.
Need for speed for example just feels like you're on rails, the crew just is god awful there's no resemblance of drifting in those games. Even the Horizon games feel super assisted. It's like you can spot the point when the game is like "oh you're drifting now let's put on the drift physics so you slide and slide".
BeamNG is very fun for it though. Works alright on controller too to my knowledge.
Now, if people are out here talking about drift mechanics like Mario kart then that's a whole different thing. Those are more like slide mechanics.
they made an amazing licenced formula one game called GP2 :D
I'm getting it anyways but if it's anything like AMS2 I would be very delighted.
You raise a really interesting point Mr Muscle, when you make the comment you made from the 5:54 mark. Basically saying that none of the games are truly Simulators...
I say this cos in my own Sim/Game Racing past, the hardest game I can remember playing, was arguably the original Gran Prix Legends. So my point is something I have personally held for a long time. And that is here in Australia, our biggest Series is V8 SUPERCARS. But it takes a very special driver to master it. So I'm simply saying than can a TRUE SIMUL;ATOR ever really exist - when if it suddenly did - most of us grumpy complaining trolls would simply say.......... IT'S TOO BLOODY HARD!!! (when arguably most of us couldn't race a real racing car well anyway??? ; )
It better come out on time, I've got Thursday and Friday off! (Seen the theory that it is going to initially cost $50 based on the cost on some key sites?)
I'd imagine EA will cost 25-29.99 Marco has said in interviews they want to surprise people with the price , I'm quite sure they will hit the EA date they set
@@GamerMuscleVideos So if you're thinking that it will cost 30 quid, then 50 would surprise you like Marco said ;) You could be right though.
I heard they have driving academy in the game, maybe he can at least get a virtual driving license? Rooting for the guy.
what is the bucket seat on your rig?
F1GT Virtual Reality Racing Club
Okay, so nothing is a true simulator, and everything is essentially simcade. What will the FFB Prophet shock us with next?
I play iracing because it feels like the most realistic interpretation of how cars react in real life. Rfactor 2 used to be good. But the physics feel a bit too varied to the extreme, between cars. And I can't quite get the feedback spot on with my T818.
I find fried eggs make the most realistic breakfast except maybe when they are boiled.
You don't boil fried eggs though. No one fries an egg and then boils it, what madness is this?!?!
@@demonicsquid7217 They do fry boiled eggs though or even fry fried eggs a second time.
decades ago, racing games existed in a binary state. ZERO realistic physics (Daytona USA, Pole Position, Ridge Racer) or ALL the physics the current hardware could muster. (Grand Prix Legends) But these days, even 'arcade' style racers employ basic but forgiving physics; so these games are now on a sliding scale. So, I think that unless the devs move the physics sliders all the way to hardcore realism, then all racing games are kinda 'simcade' in that way. ...and that's ok, I like them both; just depends on my mood and what I want to drive that particular day or moment.
First of all how dare you claim Daytona is not realistic ! - banned for life , how could you know have you ever driven an oval indoor track with waterfalls ? Are you a profestional real world oval driver ? Are you a GT3 or F1 driver ? Do you own a race car ?
Yes also all the "sims" have a ton of elements that are more gamey by accident or intentionally so again - Everything is basically simcade but either more or less realistic or more or less worse lol - which is why the term Simcade basically is meaningless - but if its not , its why ACE will be the greatest simcade ever made !
I love Simulator(games) and the more accurate physics the more fun it is. 58 and no need for arcade magic.(not saying they're bad just not for me ) The only thing more fun than a car game is a motorcycle game and it would be incredible if they add motorcycles to the game eventfully.
I followed it all without an aneurysm. I think a completely matured prefrontal cortex helps.😂.
Summary: A game, is a game.
"everything is a simcade" is a hot take. Can't wait to see the iracing community's reaction 😂
When talking about video games, the term "simulation" doesn't mean it's a software made to train for real life, it simply means it's a game with a relatively realistic gameplay, aimed to simulate the reality. So even if the term simcade (and arcade too) is constantly pejoratively missused by sim elitists, to the core it serves its purpose, to designate games that lean toward realism, without having enough advanced physics to be called a simulation. It's just to fill a void between arcade and simulation, for games that are not clearly in one of those categories like GT, Forza Motorsport, Project Cars or F1 games. At some point, people were talking more about arcade, simulation instead of simcade, and realsim or hardcore sim instead of simulation.
The gameplay is the main element determining in which category a game is. Using a touge or open world map in AC doesn't make it a simcade game, it's still a simulation. If AC EVO has a proper career mode, it still will be a simulation, just a less archaic/minimalist one and a better game, which is pretty much what GM implies in the end.
making up your own definition for ragebait, lmao
My type of video 🙌🙌🙌
Leaving a comment so i can delete it later in an indignant rage
A simulator, to me, is software that SIMULATES a thing so people can train in the simulator or test things in the simulator without real-life risks and costs. It doesn't even have to be super realistic, paradoxically, so long as it has what's needed for training purposes. E.g. if you use the special military version of Operation Flashpoint (now ArmA), Virtual Battlefield or whatever it's called, and you use it to show your recruits how to set up a realistic road block and what that's meant to look like, it doesn't matter that you can barely walk through a door in that horrendously sluggish game engine. You can't simulate storming a building because the game neither has detailed building interiors (doesn't even have doors!) nor appropriate movement for this type of scenario, but you can use it to simulate how to drive in a convoy, how to secure flanks, what to look for at the horizon, etc. It doesn't need sim-level vehicle physics for that. There also doesn't need to be a working, cinematic singleplayer campaign or multiplayer with any kind of workable balance! It's not a game. Operation Flashpoint (now ArmA) is a game. It has simulation elements (e.g. bullet drop and travel over distances) but it's a game. It doesn't SIMULATE training scenarios and it doesn't SIMULATE its battles in a meaningful way, where you could run the same mission a hundred times to get statistics about how a similar real-life mission might go down. It has nothing to do with that. It's entirely unusable for that. It's a game, like in an arcade, but it has sim elements, so I guess it could be a simcade.
However, I accept that "sim", in videogame terms, is used as shorthand for "it's more realistic than most games in this genre". In that sense, it's a "sim". It's far more realistic than Quake, Counterstrike or even Ghost Recon. Case in point, there used to be space shooters and space combat sims. Freespace 2, people call a space combat sim. What's it simulating? Real space ships? Real laser weapons? No. It's not simulating ANYTHING, but it has a more realistic veneer than other space shooters.
(Sill, even stretching the definition to the breaking point, the term "immersive sim" is like nails on a chalk-board to me. What is Deux Ex SIMULATING, exactly? What is Deux Ex more realistic than? Rainbow Six? SWAT3? Baldur's Gate 2? The Sims? "Immersive sim" means Deux-Ex-like, with multiple approaches to quests, vent shafts, doors to hack or break open, stealth or guns-blazing approaches... I get it, don't explain it to me, but "immersive sim" is a terrible, terrible name for this genre.)
AC Evo, from everything I heard about it so far, is going to be a GAME. You know, like in an arcade... AC1 is severely lacking in its GAME aspect, in my opinion. I preferred playing Forza Motorsports 7 for a long time, even with its mushy physics and lackadaisical car specs, because it was a good GAME. Had a singleplayer that took me through a wide variety of wacky races, with historic cars, with racing trucks (!), on scenic race tracks like a gorgeous fictional one set in Prague... Just all manner of fun racing. AC Evo is promising to be a good GAME, and if it comes with physics that rival or surpass AC1 in realism, all the better because while I was playing FM7, I constantly wished it had physics like AC. By all means, marry "sim" and "arcade" in this way and give us a great "simcade"!
The problem with racing games is that people, for some reason, want to feel like they're better than some kid who's playing a "racing game" like in an arcade... They want to be adults who are training on their "simulator". They spent good money on the equipment. They get very invested in how close to a simulation their chosen game is. If it were an arcade game, that would make them kids! Easily fooled kids who don't know how a real race car behaves and who are wasting time in games. So "arcade" or even "simcade" are grave insults to them. -- I had to chuckle when that news broke that the new hypercar in iRacing is too fast in corners or whatever. The initial tweet immediately called this "arcade". Because yeah, getting some values wrong in your long-running, notoriously uncompromising, top-end of the consumer racing sim market, racing sim... suddenly turned it into Sega Rally or Outrun. With high-score numbers popping up with a loud ka-ching sound or that old-timey Sega announcer yelling at you. Sim racers are a special breed.
Could you repeat all that but longer, lol
Is this meant to be about the game evo? Or a discussion about sim & arcade games.
So are we saying
I racing Full sim
Ac sim
Ace simcade
Acc arcsim
Gt/Forza arcade?
I spent a year away from my ps5 playing all the other titles and I do mean all of them on a good pc with a full asetek setup and nice profile rig and I can’t explain how much Ive missed gran turismo… none of the other games have the heart and soul of gt7 and it’s not even close haha. To be fair I haven’t gotten back on to gt7 with a good wheel yet so I haven’t really seen what the gameplay is like in that way after seeing all the other titles but there is nothing like it.
I use clutch (paddle)and hpattern on AC. Thats simcade. But it works to be faster in hpattern cars.
Cubecontrols.
They are all simcade games when you see the set ups on the cars they could never be used on real racing cars
I kind of agree that if they introduce cash prizes for winning, renting/buying cars etc this may smell a bit more arcadey. But to compare with other games, is Euro Truck Simulator called a simcade? If yes, then ok. Otherwise I prefer to consider AC Evo a sim with role-playing elements.
Please let it be A GOOD GAME FIRST THEN GOOD SIM
This all makes total sense! - man who doesn't know anything
Obviously, gm is right, however can we now rebrand forza, f1 games etc and refer to them as arcadulators?
GTR 2 is the real simulator
Even ac is a simcade!
Sorry if you didn't notice it...
Thanks for clarification. If any part is arcadish in Evo I won't buy it.
early access is single player and it going to be shoddy
Good to see that you don't rely on clickbait-titles anymore😃 You were just re-defining the word "simcade" as sim-games with gameplay elements, completely ignoring the 'arcade' in this word-creation, which means easy to learn thanks to simplified control-mechanism for higher accessibility, so simlified physics. I hope this won't be true...
GT , WRC , F1 are the main "simcade" titles all of which have very complex physics in some ways have more realistic driving than some leading non "simcade" titles and are also marketed around their realism.
The point of the video is that when you actually get into it the term "simcade" is actually fairly useless as it doesn't even really describe a specific category.
Playing GT, WRC , F1 is no more accessable to drive than RF2 with assists on or some other sims with assists on that are built into the games.
Those "simcade" games and even "sims" are often harder and less intuitive to drive than real world cars regardless.
Basically - I invent the word bibflobody and in that category I put a bunch of games that kinda superficially have some similarities so these are all bibflobody titles , not sure how that really helps anyone.
Basically it's a Pseudo-genre
But if we are going to keep it , AC Evo would then end up being the ultimate simcade as it should be accessable , have designed gameplay , also have realistic physics but also assists , will probably be on console with gamepad support.
Does anyone know if AC EVO will have VR during the early access period?
Yes they announced that a couple of days ago.
How many of the games /simulators let you actually totally crash or flip your car? The real life being nervous about the car crashing and not being able to complete the race? The simulation of the car crashing and fuel and oil and debris must been cleard out before the race can continue... I mean BeamNG has those elements. THen you have car brand livcense that don't want you to scratch or crash their crars.
Imagine if they add guns and police chases, would be absolutely sick in VR. Having the most realistic driving + the most realistic shooting in one game would be insane.
Lol what
This will piss people off so much +1
Which is funny as its really just an honest deconstruction of the term simcade
I just bought a few car packs for AC from RSS so I’m good for a while! 🏁👌😎
Iracing hate is strong with this one.
Music kept me in suspense 😮
You're simcade. 👍 @0:35