Which Halo Game has the FASTEST Warthog?
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- Halo's Warthog might be the most iconic Halo vehicle of all time. But with it's different versions over the years from every Halo game starting with Halo CE in 2001, all the way to 2022 in Halo Infinite. Which Halo Game has the FASTEST Warthog?
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Halo CE's Maw Warthog isn't faster, but has a lower mass value, which in game physics; allows it to accelerate uphill more easily; allowing it to clear the jump.
I'd always felt more floaty in the Maw Hog
I fucking love the way Halo CE hogs felt. The suspension was amazing for the time
In the developers react to speed runs video they said it was faster
@@PunaheleHoku I mean, that was years after they made the game, it’s totally possible they misremembered in the moment.
@@barmacidic2257 how is that more likely then them being correct?
In Halo 2, there is actually a distance marker. If you're taking too long to complete a mission and the game thinks you're lost, a waypoint eventually appears
Halo 3 has them too
There are also various patch notes which mark the default radar range of various game modes.
And I'm about 90% you can just set radar range in custom game modes, I think it gives the precise measurements; and some random loading blurb, I thought the game box insert said something but I just checked and the only measurement is the size of the ring.
Hey.
I appreciate that you pointed out that your standardized measurements are a little bit flawed, and then explained why. When weirdness happens, you explain it in detail. When you switch metrics, you explain it in detail.
This is straight up scientific, and WHEN different mods come out for longer forge 'roadways', this will still be very useful data.
I feel almost silly for pointing this out, because y'all have pretty much always been honest professionals. Good on you guys! Keep going!
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"Dis is science guiz!!!"
@@Ethiixx I mean.. most game analyses stack the character on top of themselves hundreds of times and use that as a metric. Some just measure distance in 'units' which is an entirely meaningless term. How would you reconcile vehicle speed when distance is overestimated and in-game days are sped up to be like 10 minutes? Add in the acceleration curve and you have quite a few calculations to do. How would you compare that to another game where time literally stands still while you go through levels? This kinda stuff is not an easy task, so you gotta use whatever standard of measurement is available. Here, it happens to be the metric system. In other situations it might be Mario's height or the radius of explosive damage. Working with the tools at hand to experiment and literally figure out facts is scientific. Really doesn't matter how you measure things, as long as it's consistent and convenient for calculations
Be nice. Americans are not unscientific. The vast majority of us hate the imperial measurement system.
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Also, it's 6 sentences. You're super cool for trying to make me out to be a nerd... on a video game youtube channel.
For some reason, due to game physics, Halo CE always felt the fastest..
apparently im not alone
Might have to do with the low friction. Feels like you've accelerated to a quite a high speed and have to break a lot to stop
Also, feels like the CE warthog has the best handling in the entire series...
It always feels like you're sliding on ice on CE for some reason. Like, I've heard of powersliding but this bad boy is straight up powerslipping at that point
@@Fr0stbite1801 yeah, as long as you were on a slight slope and your wheels started to rotate, you'd suddenly lose almost all friction. And by gently pulsing accelerator on and off uphill you could actually slide downhill.
1st person view while in the Warthog passenger seat is so much cooler to me than the 3rd person view you get in every other halo game
I feel like it should be an option whether or not you can be in 3rd or 1st
I wish you could actually drive Halo vehicles in first person along with proper controls (independent driving and camera control). The camera controls always annoyed me in Halo, like I can't look behind me in the Warthog without the stupid thing trying to go that way!
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@@scottthewaterwarrior Seeing as I cannot play Battlefront and pilot fighter ships without it being in 1st person, I agree. I would play a lot better in 1st Person.
The warthog on The Maw has a slightly tweaked physics profile compared to the other warthogs in the game, specifically for the jump the warthog has to do. It is not speed that is changed, but more to do with its in-air behavior. It is a small tweak, and I'm sure only noticed because of Halo Custom Edition, but a change that really shows Bungie's "Rule of Cool" mentality.
ive always known something was weird with the maws warthogs
namely because im always crashing the damn things lmao
It decrease its weight in the physics engine
You should have placed a flag every 10 meters and lap your timer each time you pass one which would allow you to find the absolute max speed and the acceleration of each warthog
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I'm not saying this wouldn't have been tedious as hell, but Bungie _did_ use Blender & 3DSMax for all their modeling. It wouldn't have been unreasonable to load-in objects from different games (such as crates) with the same in-game units. Even if a 'Halo 2 unit' is bigger than a 'Halo 3 unit', you'd be able to get a conversion by comparing their sizes in Blender.
If you have the conversions, you can suddenly use the in-game units.
10:19 The warthog had another speed through development. It could not make the jump so they changed it through the whole game just for this Mission
Yup, its not a rumor. It was confirmed by the devs in an IGN dev commentary while watching a speedrun.
well yes but no, what they really did was increase the horsepower so the jump wont slow it down but max speed is the same.
They changed the campaign warthog in all halo missions but didnt change the multiplayer one
It isn't through the whole game as both variants are present. one variant is used in The Maw and the faster variant is in multiplayer. I am not sure which version the other campaign missions use.
Imagine being too fast to make a jump like that
10:45
Yes it is from a developer commentary. It was in "halo devs watch a speed run", the one with Marty. They did actually give the warthog a higher maximum speed on the maw because the warthog run was built and the warthog was subsequently tweaked for balancing. They discovered they couldn't actually beat the warthog run with the newly balanced warthogs so instead of changing the map all of the warthogs on the max are slightly beefier: they have a lot more acceleration and a slightly higher top speed.
*maw
Master chiefs height should be consistent against all the main games you could use that as a vertical distance and then compare it to the size of a warthog
It’s not
@@robertogonzalez1907 isn’t that the only comparison that maters tho? Because that’s how we view the game.
This was awesome! Mongoose next?! Also, You forgot to mention the Hoonigan Warthog built during the release for Halo Infinite. It's 1,000 Horsepower and they said in a video it was built to go over 100 mph. 👀
In the developer commentary of the speedrun--when those were really super popular--they actually state that they had to slightly boost the Maw warthog because the speed of the regular warthog wasn't fast enough to clear areas of the trench run. So unless it's somewhere else, that's where that comes from.
WARTHOG GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Yes it does
Why did the halo1 warthog sound effect play in my head?? 😅😭
Usually BRRRRR elicits the sound of a buzzing minigun in my brain. Why and HOW did it automatically 'translate' this onomatopoeia!?
To be fair, the Halo CE Hod go brt brt Brt Brt BRt BRt BRTBRTBRTBRTBRTBRT
Warthog's difference:
Real life: a plane
Halo:a truck
Warthog's similarities
Brrrrrrrrrrt!
I never imagined I’d watch a 23 minute video on the speed of Warthogs in Halo…
No regrets.
For all the classic Halo games you could have created an empty box map that was however long you needed it to be in Blender and imported that into every Halo from CE to Reach to make sure your testing environment was the same size in every game. You could even place objects to mark 50 metre intervals. Then you could compare the max speeds for all those games to the units-per-second speed defined in the vehicle's tag to see if world units are roughly consistent between all games (pretty sure they are). If you want to include later games, rip the model of a forge object from 4 or H2A, check how big it is and use it as a measuring stick for the other maps. Pretty sure the grid plane object in those is the same as Reach too.
i guess its difficult to say with the infinite wathog since you have no straight aways but to me it feels like the fastest but maybe it just has the fastest acceleration.
The amount of math involved, not only you finding out how fast the pumas are. You just indirectly taught us how to calculate speed and convert it from KPH to MPH. Good stuff Rocket sloth 👏🏾
You're the only other person I've seen so far using the Big Sur coating for your Spartan/Sidekick. Always nice to see someone who shares the same taste. Also, nice work on the testing.
Next time my Physics students ask "when am I ever going to have to worry about unit conversions in real life?" I'm showing them this video.
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22:24 If you hold down the handbrake/drift button, whatever you want to call it, it'll accelerate faster and reach an even higher top speed
That sounds like an exploit
bungie has already confirmed in an interview that the first warthog on the right in the maw is tweaked to be faster than any other hog in the game. Although I don't remember if they said it had a higher top speed or higher acceleration or a mix of both
A bit off topic there but I find it funny how the Hog's headlights reflect on the floor, even though it's behind a wall at 19:27 ^^
Anyways, thanks for the video guys, take care
21:48... Not to *Pushes up glasses* Ummmm actually you, but the real worthog commissioned by Microsoft from Hoonigan uses the same 1400hp powertrain as the Hoonicorn (Do yourself a favor and look that beast up if youre unfamiliar) which has a top speed of ~250MPH. Now theres a lot more weight on that car then the Hoonicron, and they have it running at less power (1000hp), I bet it would be up there for the top speed contenders. Also if anyone is interested, they have a whole series on building it. Was super dope to watch.
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I feel like this would’ve been a little better/ more accurate if you reached out to mod creators for help with this, they could’ve made simple maps for ce-3 for more accurate testing, you could’ve tracked acceleration, made uniform maps so you could more accurately compare, and measured speed on inclines and declines. Then you could fairly easily recreate those maps in forge in 4/5 and reach since you can adjust and measure distances using coordinates, additionally the benefit of creating bespoke maps for testing is you could eliminate any variation in the warthogs starting position by aligning it with the stop point so all you have to do is get in the warthog and drive straight potentially using Keyboard and mouse to avoid stick drift. And if you really wanted to take it to the next level you could design an area in line with the track to observe from so you could lay the clips next to each other so we could’ve actually seen what it looks like side by side as if they were racing
Dang... and I thought my fictional vehicle having a top speed of 195km/h was actually kinda slow in the grand scheme of things.
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343 should really consider adding a forge mode for all the games that dont already have it. It'd be really cool to see custom halo ce maps and stuff
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They can't even add forge to infinite
Well, mod tools is just forge on crack my dude. Just look at Cursed Halo for example
Man, so many people missed out on Halo: Custom Edition.
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You guys forgot about the real life warthog that Microsoft paid Hoonigan to build with a v8 turbo charged LS engine that has over 1000 horsepower
Could you use a Spartans dead body to calculate distance because it's the same model as cheif and we know his height is 7 ft tall maybe you could figure it out?
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You can make M/S to Km/h multiplicand ×3.6 because 1 km is 1000 meters and 1 hour is 3600 seconds so you can make it easier multiply for 3.6
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the halo infinite warthog just seems a lot faster than the others like it's uncontrollable. I believe this is a combination of a really fast and gentle acceleration curve and vehicles being weightless
Great video-but to get around the acceleration problem, just add some track before a start line that you use to speed up, and then measure the time between the start and finish line when the hog is only going at maximum speed. Cheers!
Let's not forget the insane Warthog that Hoonigan made. I suspect that'll be at the top of the list.
When he said "the real Warthog" and that it only goes 15mph, I was like "LOL, yeah that looks more game accurate than Hoonigan's but we all know Hoonigan's is WAY faster."
Halo Infinite’s campaign has some good straightaways all over.
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yeah the speed halo map!
also the maw hogs i believe were edited in some way to make the gap drop possible due to the normal hogs kept bonking the giant steel bar on the way causing a guaranteed death
HOW did I not know that there's Warthog rally racing in the Halo universe? that's awesome!
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Bro me and my friends for years used to race in a nascar style league with mongooses. Halo really used to be for everything. Reach had the best physics so that's where we stuck to, and with modded maps with insane budgets we could build like full sized tracks for the mongeese. We actually got pretty good at it too to the point that the tracks looked like irl tracks for the most part. There was also other leagues like rally with the warthogs, and motocross ect. We really had everything going on for a bit.
Maybe you can measure length in Halo 2 based on the Master Chief's height?
Using height and pixel measurements will be too painful to do, use stride length
You probably could have gotten hel from inferno plus and modded the same map into every game and just race footage side by side
this was so much work to find something that could be found in like 15 minutes if you looked through the mod tools for each game even if they are community tools because you arent doing any actual modding bc u can literally just look at the warthog tag in each halo & look at its top speed
This wouldn't take into account differences in scale. If they modelled Noble 6 using the same character height as chief, then Halo Reach distances would be too high if N6's height was lore wise lower.
yeah, those top speeds are about right for a military vehicle, the M998 HMMWV (Humvee) has a top speed of around 65-70 ish. the newer variants are actually slower than the M998 because they have all that add on armor or (theoretical) extra loading capacity, despite having more power on paper.
I've driven a 1097, soft top, on a Korean highway during the night with no traffic. Speedometer wouldn't get past 60
@@TuSoKa67 that's what I mean, the newer ones are heavier, even though they have a higher power output on paper, they have a lower top speed. plus they are abused horribly by the human potatoes who work the motor pools. I mean, they make it work, but I've seen beer cans used to patch hoses and pipes.
You could of just used a custom mod map for Halo CE, 2, 3 and ODST to more easily test the speed
For Halo 2, you could just make a custom map (using mod tools) that's really long and nnot modify anything else
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I know halo 5 has a lot of different warthogs but one I did want to see was the oni warthog it was that sexy black came with a way better turret and was up armored
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actually surprisingly thorough, you don't usually get that from the halo crowd, I like it.
Everytime that dot lines up on someone's head my sniper instincts are itching to pull that trigger so bad!
10:43 they had to make the warthog faster due to the regular worthog not being able to make the jumps, back up by commentaries and stats in the files
watching them doing this live was so interesting
Use a similar measurement system to halo 3 on all games, to give us a solid list based on this:
Its understood the warthog is different sizes a little bit, but the scaling is all different anyway. Find the spot in your straight away where you are at top speed, place spartan, then count 10-15 car lengths forward, measure& compare the times. You can use your initial data table to scale these results to a new estimated mph for halo 2
I've found that in Speed Halo, if you reverse and go backwards you go even faster. Maybe something to do with negative acceleration.
Yeah, I will let you off the hook for Halo Wars, the hog's speed varies so much in it that it cannot be reliable, especially with the bash ability. (however, from experience, I do know that the upgrades for the hogs do not affect speed in HW1, IDK about HW2)
Before you start, the most precise way to do this is calculate how many pixels are in a singular yard or foot, then measure how many pixels forward the thing moves per second at top speed, divide the thing by the other thing and you get how fast they go or whatever
For the Halo games that have PC modding tools it may be worth it now to try to build mods to help you with this sort of thing. In particular you could have built a very precise map for your tests, maybe even have scripts to time the runs.
I bet Vadam could shed some light on the unit scaling across games. The Forza Warthogs have different handling properties across games too. They made it faster in FH4, but I'm not sure about 5. The Landfall prop Warthog has been replaced by the new one made by Hoonigan, which is a very real car with a very large engine. I can't find any exact figures, though
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Was playing mcc multilayer yesterday. Noticed that a majority of people play the custom games instead of classic games. Also got stuck in a game with a guy using cheats and 2 team mates who kept team killing, the host took ages to ban him.
Man, just so many variables to consider from all games. Just to get to the simple goal of how fast they go.
16:16 if you wait long enough a distance meter on an icon would show up on the bridge.
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In halo 2 one way you can measure distance is by your spartan step size. If you know about he height of a spartan you can easily calculate the step size. Then just take that many steps. A little tedious but it would work
Ah, I know stride length, I believe Game Theory once tried to use this to measure the distance of something with that method before
halo 2 did have a book included with the physical OG halo 2 that held some information on vehicles, it may have some distance or speed measurements in there.
Crazy bc I was thinking about when you guys would do this the other day thank yall 🤣
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I always thought ODST had one of the faster warthogs but it turns out it only feels faster because the camera is zoomed out a bit.
Could potentially use 2A's Hog as reference point for 2's Hog. 2A's Hog = 4's Hog in Multiplayer, but I'm pretty certain that 2A's Hog = 2's Hog in Campaign. Check the in game units against the speed of the 2A MP's Hog and then compare to the in game units of the 2A Campaign's Hog and get a speed measurement from that, and you'd have a speed for 2's Hog. Could be completely wrong but having switched between graphics on campaign the distance/speed of the warthog feels no different between each version
This is a great idea. You guys are gonna have to test every vehicle now!
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Dude, if you're going to mention a real world Warthog, do NOT forget the Hoonigan Warthog! That thing is a beast!
I feel like the speed for the total 300m or first 200m should have also been recorded since it would give an idea of the normal driving speed when not given an ideal dragstrip. I guess it would be like the functional or practical top speed? Still liked the video.
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If you wait for adew minutes at the start of the city mission where you destroy the scarab in halo 2 a nav point will appear.
The Nav point ends once you ear the bridge, you can use that to measure the warthogs distance.
Take a shot of water every time they say warthog in this video. You’ll be very hydrated :)
Here's an idea for Halo 2. MC's suit has a Canon height. Kill your buddies for 300 meters
For the CE warthog, the campaign warthog was too fast, so they had to slow it down. That too-fast warthog was then used for multiplayer
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10:47 saw dev commentary over a ce speed run, one of them talked about how he had to tweak the maw warthog bc the normal ce one couldn’t make it
It would be neat to test other things like other vehicle speeds and player speed when walking vs sprinting
Another way to test speed is to measure the self-body length it can clear within fix time, you can try that next time. It is useful when you don't have a universal comparison. So like "How many warthogs can it run through in 10sec."
You could have done 2 equations for each warthog run. The more correct velocity formula that accounts for acceleration is:
(Final velocity plus initial velocity)/2 = (final position minus initial position)/time.
You would have every variable besides the final velocity, but it would be an average from 0 to the max. This in conjunction with the acceleration formula a = (vf - vi)/t, you could isolate any 5s interval that youre still accelerating (as it should be linear) and combine the two equations. In that 5s interval, you'll again have all the variables besides the vfinal for the first equation which you can find and then use for the acceleration.
Now having the acceleration, you can find the exact max velocity by combining the two equations into vf^2 =2(displacement x acceleration) + vi^2.
(This is done by isolating the time variable in each equation; t = (vf - vi)/a and t = 2(displacement)/(vf + vi). t = t, (vf - vi)/a = 2(displacement)/(vf - vi)).
Another weird way you could measure distance is with elite corpses. I think in the instruction manual for the older games it states that elites are almost 9 feet tall. Just stack up dead elite bodies next time lol
That guy made a warthog accelerator like a true made scientist.
blue monday remix in the background took my attention i couldn't focus on anything you were saying lol
Bro said "spartans dont just have a tape measure" but the radar clearly says 25m radius
*Gets backed over by warthog on the Maw*
It would be interesting to see this repeated for other games, if you were to test all vehicles you could even find the fastest vehicle in all of Halo! My guess for that would probably be either the Halo 4 Pelican or the Halo Reach Falcon. The Pelican is on a huge map and is likely very fast as a result, and the Reach Falcon is incredibly fast once it accelerates, leaving Banshee's and Monitors in the dust.
What about the Reach spaceship?
@@JamesTDG Forgot about the Sabre, yeah that would easily be the fastest vehicle and a quick confirmation shows that Long Night of Solace has distance indicators. Testing should be fairly easy.
@@calsalitra4689 In Reach MCC the Sabre and Seraph are in the core game
@@TacoShuriken Yeah no shit, I don't remember if there are any distance indicators in space, hence why mods bring the Sabre to Forge World is important.
EDIT: Have just confirmed Long Night of Solace has distance indicators. Correcting previous comment.
The game were the warthog does not flip when you drive over a rock.
Anyone else hear Austin from Game Theory yelling "PIXEL MEASUREMENTS!!!"?
Yes, I HAVE wondered. Thank you for this lol.
My guess right off the rip is going to be Infinite's, aside from 5's rally hog.
Did anyone else feel an increase in speed on the warthog on coastal highway in ODST?
I never thought I wanted to know this so badly before I saw the title. 🙏
It is funny that the warthog is as fast as or slightly faster than a HUMVEE.
Also creative ways in measuring each speed.
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I’d love to see a video showing which vehicles in video games actually go the speeds they would in real life. The recent call of duty’s the last years seem to have all vehicles too out at 40km/h lol. Pubg seems most realistic with the old vehicles going actually 90-140km/h
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You guys ever thought about doing Halo 5 LASO? Just to say you have all the mainline halo LASO games under your belt.
Your testing methodology also assumes that a halo “meter” is an actual meter rather than some amount of in game units, and that what each game calls a “meter” is the same exact distance in all halo games.
You could use the height of a dead spartan to measure distance
Tell you one thing, the Warthog Run in Halo 3 feels the most epic regardless of speed.
Theory about the Halo 3: ODST speed. They scaled a lot of things down for ODST, including the player model, so it would make sense that the player's speed may have also seen a slight decrease. It would also make sense if vehicle speeds around the board were also decreased, especially if the vehicle speed is a variable dependent on player speed. No evidence, just a thought.
I was totally just saying "what about acceleration" in my head and then they mentioned it.
Funfact: 130 km/h is the fastest allowed speed on the Autobahn here in Austria (Germany has some roads which are unlimited)
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One source for the faster CE Maw warthog is the dev speedrun react video for CE on IGN
Someone did a fan made a street legal warthog that goes I think 70 or 80!!
That's about the top speed of my monte carlo lol
Another issue with just doing “300 meters” or so in each game is that every game is a little different so 300 meters in one game might be more or less.
You could have done pixels, since they’re all consistent no matter what.
Will you guys be doing campaign challenge runs on halo infinite when co op comes out?
Never wondered that
But now I HAVE to know
Fantastic work boys but I can't believe you forgot the Spade from Reach, it always felt far faster than the Reach Hog, but this vid concept wasn't the easiest thing to pull off so I ain't mad