My grandpa used to have to deal with this once in a while. Back in the 1950's and 1960's he used to freight with cats and sleighs through the bush in northern Canada. Once in a while they would drop a cat (D4) through the ice. They would recover it and then build a bit of a tarp shelter over it so they could drain and repair everything before getting it going again. Shitty work, but at least no electronics to worry about.
😂😂😂😂 these savages turned this 580 into scrap because they didn't know what they were doing. For example, the fuel tank is where the loader arm attaches, too. The crack under normal use. After what they did, it's destroyed an not worth fixing.
Yall rock. Always positive and ready to make it work no matter what. Old school Alaska. One day I will buy some forest land up there for a summer cabin. I can’t wait to return!
@@HOWEES My wife is Asian, Japanese, only been in the USA for 5 years. That is like every conversation that we have, I say one thing, she repeats back another, I repeat myself, she repeats back again wrongly, I repeat myself, she says it wrongly again, AND I AGREE and move on with my day.
Okay, first pump up rear tire, next pressure wash the whole thing, then drag it to the complete other side of the property, and finally hang a "FOR SALE" sign on it.
Wash, drain, fluids, filters, fuel, reassemble. The major gamble are always electronics, but a machine this old probably doesn't have many complicated boards on it. The transmission may be an issue, but as long as there isn't catastrophic damage things should be fine.
Always great to help out a neighbor Fair bit of work ahead of him, but I bet dollars to doughnuts it can get going again so long as the controls are all just manual hydro valves, just need to make sure not to frag the hydro pump when they go to start it (though it may be a backhoe only for awhile as unfucking the bucket mounts could be a PITA if they are bent/broke)
He came by just a little bit ago for some more advice. The arms look fine but the pin is completely trashed. It will take a bit to fix the front bucket. -Cameraman
I once sunk an old Nissan Sentra in Lake Ontario, got it out fairly quickly and after some work it ran good again for a few years until we got t-boned by a truck. Worst part was the electronic stuff
About 4 years ago I completed my work on a Older Case 480CK Construction King Project with extend-a-hoe loader. Circa 1967-1973 I believe was when they were selling new. I see this as a good possibility to return it to working order!!! I wish I could help! ASE Mechanic once upon a long time ago, but now it’s just a hobby and I got great satisfaction from repairing it and saving it from the scape yard. They don’t even make machines this good anymore. I was a U.S. Army Heavy Construction Equipment Repairer. 20 years and 4 MOS’s Later I’m retired! I wish it was in my Yard ! The folks who owned the machine offered it to me but I couldn’t afford it and because their old Man was heading to a Dementia Care home, I couldn’t take it! They were able to sell it for at least close to what it cost brand new back then and it was worth much more in use than sitting around for someone else. Rebuilt 5 Hydraulic cylinders and replaced the old Hydraulic pump (which was made by Cessna ) the back hoe control Stack of Valves was all that really needed more attention. Or even full replacement of the entire Valve stack. Old machines work better than the new ones, and are much easier to work on. Final thoughts it reminds me of recovering a D7 E from a swampy mosquito infested muck hole down in Honduras in February of 1989 😂… hydraulics line crossover blew from the bull blade main lift cylinder, it was in 4 feet of muck I waded into the muck 4” of water on top and a solid 1/2” of 10 weight oil on top had to remove the grill to get to the line and pull it out plug both sides get some oil back into the the HYD system (with the down angle it was still short of full from the filler neck with the top of the Reservoir, being at such an angle, trapped a big pocket of air inside the hydraulic tank. Then we had to lift the ball blade and use two more bulldozers to pull it out. Only then could work on it on flat dry ground at least flat and when it wasn’t raining every afternoon, Parts never made it in before I left Camp castle.
Reminds me of when my amish neighbors blind horse ran out into the swamp. I pulled it out with a long long tow strap. When it popped out of the muck it looked like a giraffe. It lived another few years and died of old age. It could pluck thistles six feet on the far side of the fence.
Howie meets heavy D recovery. Wasn’t expecting the loader pins to have sheared off 😳 not sure how much of the instructions the guy understood. My betting is he changes the oil and cranks it over 😂😂
Anywhere else that is a scrap machine. In AK you give it hell before giving up. It's a simple machine so there is hope. Glad nobody was hurt or worse. Anything with a cabin going through the ice is less than ideal.
Sadly, even with your patient explanations, it appeared and sounded like the backhoe owner did not understand what he was supposed to do. He might be able to handle one step at a time...certainly not the sequence of steps you explained.
You have neighbors similar to me, I've had to go rescue one multiple times from getting him just un stuck from the mud to getting him out of a ditch where he nearly turned the tractor over.
Gday Howee Great job Mate, Awesome of you to help your neighbor, I best you will be eating a lot of beautiful Thai food free for a while, knowing the generosity of most Thai people Great video
Hay, man, this guy should have a roll back take this to a mechanic. He will have a better machine if this is done right AND done NOW before rust sets in. Yeah it'll cost but the machine looks like it would be worth 'saving'. He should have already called to find a mechanic.
I get the feeling that dude is not gonna folloow all Howeex advice, more than likely, he'll try to start it soon. I hope he listens but when he sees the price of all the 5 gallon buckets of oil he's gonna need he may change his mind. I'm surprised he didn't pump it out sooner.
Not sure how it got on the ice, in December/January , when this happened, most ice around here would hold a d8 bulldozer, but I was not there to see it. I am very glad He got out OK.
That right there is a BIG project that will take some time and money to get it back to working order....all you said PLUS all the electical and any electronics it may have. But I would enjoy that project...if it was someone else's money...lol.
I was going to say this guy is a brute with that excavator and then he tells the other guy he should do it as he has more time in the machine.... He might be great at digging but he's about as gentle as nuclear bomb when it comes to doing anything else with it.
I think Howie was in the machine for most of the extrication. They both are newbies and neither claim expertise. But that could have been extricated much, much, much more gently. I'm not clear if that roughness broke the bucket off or not? I think so, I may go back and read. Howie can help fix that however.
@@brentbarnhart5827 If Howie is as much an expert in repairs as he is an operator, that machine is toast. I was very surprised the boom wasn't snapped off. Be really surprised if it isn't bent.
When you were talking to that guy after you said that beer in the same you must have been talking to a cow that tractor will never run again as long as that guy is working on it
20:39 This is why my brother, doesn't want to loan his 580 Super K. The investment is high enough, without rookies blowing hoses, busting parts. I was on a Ford backhoe, and I wasn't told that neither it, or the bulldozer, had any brakes. Apparently they like to steer with the brakes, instead of the torque converters. They were just too cheap to fix the Ford. I tried to lower the bucket quickly, but it was too late, for the bus. Being informed, having experience, and maintaining equipment, is a safety thing. The 580D, looks like a lot of work, and even more money. I'd pull the injectors ASAP, as well as blow each cylinder out. Hope nothing is bent or cracked. Wish him luck with it. The processing plant, had left the keys in the ignition on a semi tractor. I needed to pull a tanker, so I pulled out into the dark yard, they removed the lights already, the sanitation crew was wandering in, and Bill came running, jumped up on the tank, and screamed, "No brakes!", could've pulled the keys, or left a note, just saying.
And don't forget the fuel tank which probably has water in it. Purge it and the fuel lines. Same for the hydraulic oil tank. This machine will run again, no doubt.
My family is Asian (Japanese) and it is hard to say..... I am leaning on agreeing with you, he doesn't seem the mechanical type, but I might be wrong. I wouldn't say it is OVERLY difficult, but then again, I'm both an engineer, and mediocre machinist. (Actually I'm a machine designer and inventory.) And I HATE, to work on vehicles or motors or anything of the such...... but still, its just engineering.
That's probably scrap, if he didn't get to it right then the engine is already rust welding together. Rings and valves , bearing surfaces, whooof! Complete teardown.
The pepole i work 4 logging have a excavator same as yours but it has a blade wich comes in great as a stabilizer and if u on steep ground you can hold yourself
Send out toC&C equipment to rebuild, or trade it out for better machine ,clint onwer of C&C equipment, there is no one else’s better in the know how technology and maintenance machines mechanic,,,,, he knows it all thanks BigAl California.
First job, pull out the injectors and scope the bores to see what is or isn't in the engine block. Pointless dropping fluids and doing anything else if the cylinders are corroded.
I'm no expert but i would have wrapped that big rope around the rear tire\axle and got it upright ASAP. Then put the chain around the pivot\swivel point on the backhoe and drug it out of there. so what if it tipped over. you've got the power to probably lift it and not drag it.. but get a bigger or 2nd chain. At the 5:30 mark.. it broke free, proving my idea to just pull from the siad and upright it.. then pull it out of the water. 8:47 mark.. Wrong. You already pulled on it and almost turned it on it's roof. What a huge mistake to be yanking on the backhoe.. It's an EXPENSIVE part to be messing with. ALWAYS from the frame or AXLES. Then you let a guy with less time on it behind the controls. Sheesh.. Pulling with the side swing is NOT where the excavator get it's DIGGING power from.. Get it pointed straight and GENTLY lift and pull and I'll say it again.. NOT FROM THE BACKHOE.. Use the rope and make a cradle from the rear axle.. It's funny that part of the video extracting it was cut out or not shown. Looks like it did stay upright.
One of those cool neighbors to be thankful to have.
Not really. He cause more damage than the machine is worth.
@@thetrutha2177 What damage ?
My grandpa used to have to deal with this once in a while. Back in the 1950's and 1960's he used to freight with cats and sleighs through the bush in northern Canada. Once in a while they would drop a cat (D4) through the ice. They would recover it and then build a bit of a tarp shelter over it so they could drain and repair everything before getting it going again. Shitty work, but at least no electronics to worry about.
Don't you just love it when people show up to do work in appropriate footwear?
Great recovery.
Hes not going to do any of that. Come back in another 90 days it will be sitting right there
I tend to agree with you, look at all the junk sitting in the yard
Totally true
Great recovery. I'd be interested in a follow up video.
😂😂😂😂 these savages turned this 580 into scrap because they didn't know what they were doing. For example, the fuel tank is where the loader arm attaches, too. The crack under normal use. After what they did, it's destroyed an not worth fixing.
@@thetrutha2177savages?!🤣🤣😂🫡🫡
That owner got lucky with a knowledgeable courteous neighbor
Yall rock. Always positive and ready to make it work no matter what. Old school Alaska. One day I will buy some forest land up there for a summer cabin. I can’t wait to return!
Guy has absolutely no clue what your telling him what to do
I kinda sensed that as well.
The backhoe owner had a great neighbor. There is not that many out there.
Not really. He cause more damage than the machine is worth.
@@thetrutha2177it didn't look like he caused much damage. The bucket arm pin broke when it went through the ice and rolled.
Good thing he has the video to refer back to. LOL. Nobody gonna remember all this otherwise.
Exactly why I included it haha
-Cameraman
It's a good thing can reference why he's spending so much money on the machine his friend destroyed
@@HOWEES My wife is Asian, Japanese, only been in the USA for 5 years. That is like every conversation that we have, I say one thing, she repeats back another, I repeat myself, she repeats back again wrongly, I repeat myself, she says it wrongly again, AND I AGREE and move on with my day.
Okay, first pump up rear tire, next pressure wash the whole thing, then drag it to the complete other side of the property, and finally hang a "FOR SALE" sign on it.
DON'T FORGET, "It ran last time we used it! Excellent condition, recently cleaned and washed." OH! "And God Bless, Good Luck"
Wash, drain, fluids, filters, fuel, reassemble. The major gamble are always electronics, but a machine this old probably doesn't have many complicated boards on it. The transmission may be an issue, but as long as there isn't catastrophic damage things should be fine.
You forgot about the silt that got into the heads, cylinders, and injection pump
Change all fluids filters twice and you're be ok
Thanks Howee, Austin and Burt, doing good helps everyone involved!
Always great to help out a neighbor
Fair bit of work ahead of him, but I bet dollars to doughnuts it can get going again so long as the controls are all just manual hydro valves, just need to make sure not to frag the hydro pump when they go to start it
(though it may be a backhoe only for awhile as unfucking the bucket mounts could be a PITA if they are bent/broke)
He came by just a little bit ago for some more advice. The arms look fine but the pin is completely trashed. It will take a bit to fix the front bucket.
-Cameraman
I once sunk an old Nissan Sentra in Lake Ontario, got it out fairly quickly and after some work it ran good again for a few years until we got t-boned by a truck. Worst part was the electronic stuff
About 4 years ago I completed my work on a Older Case 480CK Construction King Project with extend-a-hoe loader. Circa 1967-1973 I believe was when they were selling new.
I see this as a good possibility to return it to working order!!!
I wish I could help! ASE Mechanic once upon a long time ago, but now it’s just a hobby and I got great satisfaction from repairing it and saving it from the scape yard. They don’t even make machines this good anymore.
I was a U.S. Army Heavy Construction Equipment Repairer. 20 years and 4 MOS’s Later I’m retired!
I wish it was in my Yard !
The folks who owned the machine offered it to me but I couldn’t afford it and because their old Man was heading to a Dementia Care home, I couldn’t take it! They were able to sell it for at least close to what it cost brand new back then and it was worth much more in use than sitting around for someone else. Rebuilt 5 Hydraulic cylinders and replaced the old Hydraulic pump (which was made by Cessna ) the back hoe control Stack of Valves was all that really needed more attention. Or even full replacement of the entire Valve stack. Old machines work better than the new ones, and are much easier to work on.
Final thoughts it reminds me of recovering a D7 E from a swampy mosquito infested muck hole down in Honduras in February of 1989 😂… hydraulics line crossover blew from the bull blade main lift cylinder, it was in 4 feet of muck I waded into the muck 4” of water on top and a solid 1/2” of 10 weight oil on top had to remove the grill to get to the line and pull it out plug both sides get some oil back into the the HYD system (with the down angle it was still short of full from the filler neck with the top of the Reservoir, being at such an angle, trapped a big pocket of air inside the hydraulic tank. Then we had to lift the ball blade and use two more bulldozers to pull it out. Only then could work on it on flat dry ground at least flat and when it wasn’t raining every afternoon, Parts never made it in before I left Camp castle.
To that s as a favor was mighty nice of you guys. 👍🏻 I loved the “We don’t say that but yes” 😂😂😂
Howee is jack of all trades
Reminds me of when my amish neighbors blind horse ran out into the swamp. I pulled it out with a long long tow strap. When it popped out of the muck it looked like a giraffe. It lived another few years and died of old age. It could pluck thistles six feet on the far side of the fence.
Howie meets heavy D recovery. Wasn’t expecting the loader pins to have sheared off 😳 not sure how much of the instructions the guy understood. My betting is he changes the oil and cranks it over 😂😂
LOL putting the LiveLeak logo over the danger. Classic. Man I miss that website, good times
Anywhere else that is a scrap machine. In AK you give it hell before giving up. It's a simple machine so there is hope. Glad nobody was hurt or worse. Anything with a cabin going through the ice is less than ideal.
backhoe for sale ran when parked.
I just said the same thing, LOL. Scary, you would say that if you knew me, "Scary, we think alike." LOL
Nicely done!
Sadly, even with your patient explanations, it appeared and sounded like the backhoe owner did not understand what he was supposed to do. He might be able to handle one step at a time...certainly not the sequence of steps you explained.
That's why I included the instructions - hopefully he will refer back to them.
-Cameraman
They should have called it how to rig improperly and make things worse
At least there is no water in the carburetor. Thats the good news.
love this stuff
You have neighbors similar to me, I've had to go rescue one multiple times from getting him just un stuck from the mud to getting him out of a ditch where he nearly turned the tractor over.
Yeah sheared it right off. Kid.was trying to drag it out on the roof. Well we are about to find out how tough a case really is......
What a great neighbor 👍
Call the Case dealership and have them service it. I seriously doubt the owner has the skills or the tools to fix this machine
Gday Howee
Great job Mate, Awesome of you to help your neighbor, I best you will be eating a lot of beautiful Thai food free for a while, knowing the generosity of most Thai people
Great video
Drag it on shore?
Good work
Hay, man, this guy should have a roll back take this to a mechanic. He will have a better machine if this is done right AND done NOW before rust sets in. Yeah it'll cost but the machine looks like it would be worth 'saving'. He should have already called to find a mechanic.
I think beer had something to do with how it got into the pond
Really nice job for your neighbor.
I get the feeling that dude is not gonna folloow all Howeex advice, more than likely, he'll try to start it soon. I hope he listens but when he sees the price of all the 5 gallon buckets of oil he's gonna need he may change his mind. I'm surprised he didn't pump it out sooner.
I had to laugh my ass off at this video. Most of the comments are just as funny. I'll just leave it at that. Carry on and have a great day.
Good thing electronics are pretty simple on a 580d. It can be saved but better work fast now that its out of the water.
Fuck yeah!!! Awesome work!!!
could a been wore ..... could a been mine ...
Drove the backhoe out on the ice? Not the sharpest spoon...
Not sure how it got on the ice, in December/January , when this happened, most ice around here would hold a d8 bulldozer, but I was not there to see it. I am very glad He got out OK.
@@HOWEES his outrigger could have been the problem. If he set one down too hard...Just a guess.
One step at a time. Not that hard to get one back running, but it takes a lot of time and materials to get there, a lot of time and materials .
The bucket on your excavator needs to see a dentist get some implants🤣
Speaking from experience a diesel engine will shoot water up for miles when cranked with the injectors pulled when water is in the cylinders lol.
That right there is a BIG project that will take some time and money to get it back to working order....all you said PLUS all the electical and any electronics it may have. But I would enjoy that project...if it was someone else's money...lol.
I was going to say this guy is a brute with that excavator and then he tells the other guy he should do it as he has more time in the machine....
He might be great at digging but he's about as gentle as nuclear bomb when it comes to doing anything else with it.
I think Howie was in the machine for most of the extrication. They both are newbies and neither claim expertise. But that could have been extricated much, much, much more gently. I'm not clear if that roughness broke the bucket off or not? I think so, I may go back and read. Howie can help fix that however.
@@brentbarnhart5827 If Howie is as much an expert in repairs as he is an operator, that machine is toast. I was very surprised the boom wasn't snapped off. Be really surprised if it isn't bent.
Next up at Ritchie Bros auction…no battery can’t test but ran when parked.
I bet Charlie is gonna Craigslist is as soon You´re gone. Or even get it going and then sell it. I don´t trust this at all.
When you were talking to that guy after you said that beer in the same you must have been talking to a cow that tractor will never run again as long as that guy is working on it
I’d love to see it brought back, but I bet it’s done for.
Well i can tell you this at the beginning of video ... if any one can get it out it you your a verry smart man and good video
20:39 This is why my brother, doesn't want to loan his 580 Super K. The investment is high enough, without rookies blowing hoses, busting parts. I was on a Ford backhoe, and I wasn't told that neither it, or the bulldozer, had any brakes. Apparently they like to steer with the brakes, instead of the torque converters. They were just too cheap to fix the Ford. I tried to lower the bucket quickly, but it was too late, for the bus. Being informed, having experience, and maintaining equipment, is a safety thing. The 580D, looks like a lot of work, and even more money. I'd pull the injectors ASAP, as well as blow each cylinder out. Hope nothing is bent or cracked. Wish him luck with it. The processing plant, had left the keys in the ignition on a semi tractor. I needed to pull a tanker, so I pulled out into the dark yard, they removed the lights already, the sanitation crew was wandering in, and Bill came running, jumped up on the tank, and screamed, "No brakes!", could've pulled the keys, or left a note, just saying.
And don't forget the fuel tank which probably has water in it. Purge it and the fuel lines. Same for the hydraulic oil tank. This machine will run again, no doubt.
I doubt that this guy's got the capability to do this kind of work. Seemed a little bit a space cadet about him trying to describe what he had to do.
My family is Asian (Japanese) and it is hard to say..... I am leaning on agreeing with you, he doesn't seem the mechanical type, but I might be wrong. I wouldn't say it is OVERLY difficult, but then again, I'm both an engineer, and mediocre machinist. (Actually I'm a machine designer and inventory.) And I HATE, to work on vehicles or motors or anything of the such...... but still, its just engineering.
dang a case 580D is about $130,000 new...
These Asians have that sitting in a shoebox.
She will start right up you don't have to check any fluids
I bet if you make a video helping this guy out getting it run for free, you get several hundred thousand views on that.
That's probably scrap, if he didn't get to it right then the engine is already rust welding together. Rings and valves , bearing surfaces, whooof! Complete teardown.
Haha
"carbon dating"
🍻👨🏻🏭🇨🇦
DAM GOOD JOB
Maybe Im wrong maybe not!!
Yeah that's trash, unless he's got big pockets
Algorithm booster
That was a lucky escape if that thing went under water while they were in it.
👍😎👍
a good winter project lots of loot...
liveleak logo popped up 4.30 mark...nice
I hate it when this happens.
Just a Question? couldn't the pond be drained
Yes, but way more cost/work. It would have allowed a better look, but everything else would have been the same.
Chain surprisenly strong
I hope you can help him get it running
He came by a bit ago for some more advice. Sounds like turning over the motor will happen soon. He's making progress.
-Cameraman
I don't think he should park it there. The EPA might complain.
Play over on all four wheels towards the land where the machine is the excavator
Poor case
I would consider that machine for scrap.
Once you get em out tell them to go home?
The pepole i work 4 logging have a excavator same as yours but it has a blade wich comes in great as a stabilizer and if u on steep ground you can hold yourself
Judging by the condition of the back of that excavator the operator had 0 experience lol
Sometimes we don't fix all the problems with machines that get used only occasionally. The boom was broke in 2 when I purchased it.
That was painful to watch
Send out toC&C equipment to rebuild, or trade it out for better machine ,clint onwer of C&C equipment, there is no one else’s better in the know how technology and maintenance machines mechanic,,,,, he knows it all thanks BigAl California.
Well, C&C is in Nashville, Indiana, and Howie is in Fairbanks Alaska.....so.....probably cost prohibitive.
Find someone who knows what the're doing he's half right half wrong.
pads to be used. i would put timber pads under the excavator when close to water like that. like they do on Let'sDig
Alot of work in the future...
What a mess.
go get a skycrane, that might get it out
Hey can't park there
First job, pull out the injectors and scope the bores to see what is or isn't in the engine block. Pointless dropping fluids and doing anything else if the cylinders are corroded.
This looks like a sewage lagoon! Yuk!
Dismantle it for parts then clean and check them and sell all the parts and buy another machine
Might as well scrap it
Tell to put some Red Bull in it and it will have wing's
$5000 to make it start
who wants to bet $5 that backo is scrap metal and never gets restarted
If he gets it running again we'll do a follow up.
-Cameraman
GREAT ! THANK YOU JESUS !
Scrap it
Why? I got a backhoe for free that spent a winter in a lake after falling in the ice. It runs like a champ.
The backhoe is junk it's going to cost way to much money to fix it
I'm no expert but i would have wrapped that big rope around the rear tire\axle and got it upright ASAP. Then put the chain around the pivot\swivel point on the backhoe and drug it out of there. so what if it tipped over. you've got the power to probably lift it and not drag it.. but get a bigger or 2nd chain. At the 5:30 mark.. it broke free, proving my idea to just pull from the siad and upright it.. then pull it out of the water. 8:47 mark.. Wrong. You already pulled on it and almost turned it on it's roof. What a huge mistake to be yanking on the backhoe.. It's an EXPENSIVE part to be messing with. ALWAYS from the frame or AXLES. Then you let a guy with less time on it behind the controls. Sheesh.. Pulling with the side swing is NOT where the excavator get it's DIGGING power from.. Get it pointed straight and GENTLY lift and pull and I'll say it again.. NOT FROM THE BACKHOE.. Use the rope and make a cradle from the rear axle.. It's funny that part of the video extracting it was cut out or not shown. Looks like it did stay upright.
This was painful to watch, sorry..