Another thing about Shiyu 5: the paired mini-bosses are both 1 ranged unit and 1 melee unit which, paired with how difficult it is to flinch them, makes it much harder to group them together. I only managed to clear this node through what felt like shear luck after several attempts, where both bosses ended up trapped in a corner where I could burst them down.
The mech duo are one ranged and one mixed. However, the mixed one is highly mobile and can play zoning very easily, hence it's a drag for fast clears in this configuration.
Yeah. The enemys itself aren't hard(er). How they separated each other while combat made it very time consuming. I got lucky too when they stucked together at the corner.
funny thing i saw it mentionned everywhere that shiyu 5 was challenging, went and check i still managed to have 1min 15 sec left when clearing it using on one side a koleda/soldier11/lucy team , i guess fire weakness help a lot
i love robotic enemies having goofy delayed attacks that doesnt match their "counter flash" indicator i love robotic enemies that put up shield 10x tougher than his actual HP and somehow allow them to not get anomaly build up i love the ether ninja who uses insta transmission to stall and have a lot of Iframe on his attacks i love heavy machinery enemy that have 80% of the map as its AOE multi attack that have no indicator except for the first initial attack i love all the doppelganger having barely any stun duration so it forces you to raw DPS or use anomaly char on em "in case it wasn't obvious, im being sarcastic" oh and i loooooooooove grace, a Range char that have abysmal range drop off with an attack animation that makes her go BACKWARD with no gap closer + dodge counter that doesnt do anything other than eating your dodge cooldown too fast that you still get hit on a longer attack strings from the enemy, oh and did i mention her dodge pulls you into the enemy instead? what a great design , i love it yes , lets make the only time i want to have space be the time im gap closing -w-, smort dev, lovely PS : keep loosing my 50/50 to her so now my grace is at c3 :D
Yeah, the game is very poorly handled. If you want to make things even worse play on mobile where you can't tell anymore if they're messing with you or your touch screen decided to not register (spoiler, it's usually their fault still)
Genuinly this Shiyu 5 made me stop and question if I actually had trash builds and that’s why it felt like I was doing no damage…. But no they just made them insanely tanky for some reason lmao.
That and the enemies sitting at the edge of the stage doing fuck-all, which makes it borderline impossible to group them to not waste damage. Every time-based game does this cheap garbage for aritficial "difficulty"
The difficulty variation seems like it's going to hit different people at different times based purely on which teams you have developed. My two main teams are Ice (Ellen/Lycaon/Soukaku) and Physical (Caesar/Jane/Seth), so in any node where the two groups have ice and physical weakness, its no problem. This node, in addition to having high HP and more waves, had electric weakness for the first half, and I don't have any sort of developed electric damage team. It seems like someone who did have one would have a much easier time with this wave, but may have a harder time with another wave that requires ice if they don't have an ice team, etc. I like the waves which have more than one weakness (for example Ethereal enemies are usually Ice/Ether weakness) because it gives more of a chance for you to have an appropriate team. I guess this problem will lessen over time as we play and have longer to develop more teams- maybe a year from now I will also have a decently-set-up Electric and Fire team, and this will be less of a roadblock.
I think you're spot on with this. Elemental weakness plays a massive role in how difficult Shiyu is overall and when enemies are given higher health than usual I think the difference becomes especially noticeable. My first team that I built was Anton, Grace, Anby (later replaced with Qingyi) and I STRUGGLED with Shiyu because most of the early rotations had nodes with Ice/Ether weak enemies. In contrast, this Shiyu I breezed through (including node 5) because my 2 teams matched up well with the weaknesses (second team is Jane & Seth).
Well, you literally got a free electric agent... It make sense that they made it easy for people using team with one of the first three free element... That's may change when we'll get more agents and casual players leave... Also it is actually one of the most commont element along with physical... Well, we have also fire, but half of them are S rank and after Burnice more than half of them will be S rank, with her beign the only guranteed from pulls... And we barely got a free Lucy now.
@@nanakomatsu7425 When the game released we had access to 6 free units with at least one of every element. Anby for Electricity, Nicole for Ether, Ben for Fire, Billy & Corin for Physical, and Soukaku for Ice. All Shiyu cycles up to this point have been centered around the elements of the limited S Rank/s that are currently on banner at the time. This is supported by the initial Shiyu cycles being almost entirely Ice & Ether weak enemies. Electric wasn't a very commonly built team because Ellen & Zhu Yuan are both hyper carry DPS and they were the first banners, so anyone who pulled for them would have built their teams around them. Up until the most recent Shiyu Defense cycle they were the most used units based on Prydwens collected data, only being overtaken this cycle by Jane Doe.
For me it was difficult because there was a robot that only runs away from you and added to that there was Pulchra that has invulnerability, basically I felt stalled
My times, same two teams. SD Level 5: 4:58 SD Level 6: 3:35 In first half, on SD5 there is a wave with two robots, which were running away from my the whole time, lol. So yeah, it was a bit harder for me, with better play I probably could do SD5 faster, but it's a bit rough. Anton FTW btw.
One aspect of the game's balancing I haven't seen explored is higher armor/defense over HP. Imagine how popular Rina would become if stacking for PEN became the go-to strat over just...do more damage. Might bring the ATK-based Agents into popularity amidst the Anomaly craze we've been having as well...and would give newer players a potential build to focus on for higher difficulty activities, since we have PEN as: -A disc drive 2-piece bonus -An entire Agent's core passive -W-Engine bonuses -Disc Drive primary and secondary stats ...baring that, maybe clearing a wave without taking too much damage/no damage could add some time back.
I was so confused as to why Shiyu 5 was so difficult because I easily beat 1-4 & 6-7 even on mobile 💀 First stage which made me pick up my controller Great explanation, thx!
Also the new Shiyu is built for Caesar. The enemies deal 20% more damage to you(not sure if its 20%) and you deal more damage if you get a shield. I need a shielder to clear this on all S as a f2p, so I built Seth and it worked and achieved all S, but its still difficult than the past Shiyu defenses.
It's like this since the launch, before Caesar we had two Shiyu's which were crafted to make Jane shine, and before one especially made for Qingy, with Ice being the best element in the first ever S'sD and Ether being generally useful since launch because Ellen and Officer Gyatt and an Anomaly and Fire themed one on its way with the Burnice package. That's how they make people pull more while making those who already pulled the limited character feel rewarded, while at the same time keeping the entire game doable even for people who don't pull at all.
I didn't think I was doing so bad on 5 until I saw the A rank pop up. I was even more confused when I continued to 6-7 right after (without retrying 5), and I didn't have to sweat too hard to clear those. Nice to know I wasn't alone on this.
I still remember back in 4.7 in genshin floor 12-1 had four waves of easy enemies spawning at opposite sides of each other and being so annoyed because bursting would just waste energy but not bursting meant you won't deal as much damage. And then on the other side was a bunch of elemental checks with enemy shields.
i wont forget that bs, oh why dont we make the only one room with pyro-sheilds (lectors, mages and etc..), oh so you've started from 4.5 and dont have lots of hydro, here's your choice "go barbara go!" :DDDD, somehow i managed to do 34/36 stars
I think the reason for the weird balancing going on in this Shiyu season was a hopeful quick fix for the back to back Physical limited S-Rank Banners. Usually, The Shiyu season tries to spotlight the current limited S Rank with their element being present on every node, plus the nodes' extra effects highly favoring their gimmick. With physical weakness and a bonus requiring a shield to activate, it was perfect to showcase the many strengths of Caesar... Buuut, I think they underestimated how good Jane is, even when low-invested. Yes, during her season, she was insane due to all the bonuses favored towards her, but during this season, the only bonus she is getting without a Shield giving ally, is 20% Atk, and homegirl is still mopping the floor with the enemies, setting records. (In addition, due to her dodge centric playstyle, she really doesn't care about the 20% extra damage taken cause 20% of 0 dmg is 0 dmg.) So in an attempt to make it harder, they inflated the enemies Hp, in an attempt to make fights longer and not a cakewalk for Jane. And while yes, it worked to some extent, it had the unfortunate side effect of also dragging down the clear time of every other team where they might miss the S-Rank Requirement.
Jane Doe's real identity is probably Mary Sue, because she is an insane DPS without any restrictions or conditions she needs to fulfill to activate her full kit. She is about 1.5x stronger than Nekomata in clear time, and she is clearly power-creeping standard characters. The only all-purpose DPS she can be compared to is probably Piper, but Piper is far more dependent on enemy behavior, their DPS, ER, weakness to stagger, and her power stacks. I dislike such power creep since it doesn't change gameplay practically at all and only helps to clear endgame content without using any special mechanics, because she doesn’t have any of them.
I like this channel man good splash of info and humor, dude seems down to earth this is my go to ZZZ channel keep it up homie. Hoping your burnice pulls go great 🤞🏽
As someone who started with Jane and only got S11 as another dps - this SD was extremely difficult for me. I S-Ranked them, but barely. S5 with only fire and physical dps was so bad... so so bad. I really need the next ice or ether dps asap.
Yeah, I just barely S cleared floor 5 with like 5 seconds to spare, and I was like, "Damn, I can't believe I'm getting power crept out of this so fast." but then I cleared floors 6 and 7 in like 3 minutes and 3:30 minutes.
Yeah. I got my Jane to a decent point this week, so I ran through all the physical nodes this time around. I think I had to repeat once for an S rank, but I really didn't think about the difficulty difference until I saw the poll the other day
same here, my hyper carry ZH m0 still blasting everything under 1:30 and my Piper team still hold good againt enemies that weak to physical so im not even realized that the enemies HP is bloated.
So glad to hear this; I really struggled with 5. I think besides the issues discussed in this video, that particular pair of enemies is also just brutal.
Since I'm skipping every banner and my only limited is Ellen, I must say that my second team was hard struggling lol Had to build Lucy and piper from scratch at the beginning of 1.2 to finally clear it
Day 1 player here. Using Zhu Yuan, Seth, Nicole and Piper, Ceasar, Lucy. Honestly didn't realize the difficulty spike on Shiyu 15 since all my times just barely come inside the S-rank mark. Pretty sure if my Ether team is doing stages longer I can just brute strength with Ceasar shield + Piper uninterrupted spin.
I was surprised at how easy the last one was, but the current one definitely feels like a significant DPS check. I got two A clears on 5 and 7 this time.
I do applaud everyone who has gotten through Shiyu. Though haven't farmed disc drives yet as im still leveling up characters and i am missing some elements to fill. I feel like theres no need to rush for now but its just me but can't wait to get my levels up and get some disc drives to eventually complete it! Good luck out there Proxies! I wish you a good journey through the towers!
Endgame content from gacha games will always involve money in the difficulty. Thats why I do not put these types of endgames contents in the same league as DMC 5 bloody palace, Tales of Arise arena fights, Scarlet Nexus Simulated missions and many more AAA endgame content will always be superior
One of the most in-depth videos I've seen and the only one addressing the tankier shiyu defense nodes! (i also like the fact that lycaon pops up when you say like and subscribe lol)
The grouping more than anything is what slowed me down. In the second half if you can chase down and focus the ranged shadow while the melee shadow will just come to you for easy grouping, but the final two robots in the first half mostly kept their distance. I found I had better luck focusing the larger one when trying to group them. Also as a side note, I thought it was funny that the first half says it's resistant to physical but if you examine the units there's only one mob with that resistance so you can bring someone like Jane and power through regardless.
I think the final wave in Node 5 having two doppelgangers at once is what really eats up time, bc if you are running a burst dps that wants to unload everything when the units are stunned, you either have to try and line up both stuns at the same time or play around the fact that one of the doppelgangers will keep attacking you when the other is stunned which can interrupt your combos.
Yeah, it was until i realized that, you have to focus on DPS doppleganger, because the tank one will keep going towards you, that way you'll be able to round them up and beat them in quick session
I've only got 3 characters on lv. 60, the rest are an assortment of 30-55 cleared node 7 on S after around 3 tries but node 5 really made me work for it for me, i think its the way the wave 3 enemies position themselves in the first half i could probably have shaved half a minute if i can keep both in the same spot just relieved to see there's a majority who had a hard time on node 5
I had a bit of issue but managed to S rank everything before getting Caesar. Funny enough I managed to beat it with a really good Jane doe and a really badly built Lucy. No third member. I'm enjoying all of shiyu defense we have gotten so far but my favorite has to be the ambush node. Cause I was underleveled for it and had to actually play good or get 3 shot killed by bosses. Now, unless I'm playing on the phone, I've become a beast. Looking forward to the future content.
In hindsight those are probably the smartest teams a f2p could build covering everything except ice just swapping piper for a fire unit when you need fire weak
I realized I had 2 problems after trying this SD 5 and 7. The first one is that my Zhu Yuan wasn't built properly. I fixed up her disks (ended up using atk on 6 and pen on 5) and cleared SD5. It was satisfying to finally do it. Then the other problem. I'm stuck on even clearing SD7, let alone in the 5 total minutes. I know the current SD is shilling Caesar, but I haven't built Seth either and I'm not very good at dodging. It feels like Elden Ring, except I don't have any healing. I haven't been able to clear it once.
We in genshin and wuwa do be chilling But fr , it took a lot of RNG for me to get those robots to clump up together. Reminded me of that one genshin floor 11 from way back in the day, OGs know what I am talking about.
node 5 was a complete disaster for me I was mindlessly locked in just to get s rank, and I skipped caesar because I didn't like how easy her core passive makes everything seems, so it's challenging but I love it
I agree with reducing the HP scaling for 5, or more generally, the total enemy HP of every node should be less than the total HP of the next node in sequence. Another idea is keep everything the same, same time for S-rank, etc., but give bonus time extensions for certain difficult moves or combos, similar to how beating on vines or hornets in Withering Garden gives you bonus time. For example, each 50k damage done through Dodge Counters extends the S-rank time by 10 seconds, or something like that, with a max bonus of 30 seconds. The bonus move or combo can be different for each node, adding variety. The moves or combos would always be available to F2P and limited agents, so no bias to limiteds. Like don't make it 1M damage done in Jane's passion state, that would require Jane and only Jane.
The irony of me having the exact situation he explained (b rank node 5 then a-ranking 6 and 7). I'm a day one f2p and like dang this one just sucks. I was able to grind out assault mode fine, most the previous shiyu defenses I've gotten like all s-rank except the last two, but this one just sucks. I don't even mind the 3 waves on the first half, it genuinely felt balanced, but second half was INSANE. Honestly, it would've been more painful but if all 3 of the minibosses were at once I think I could've gotten an A rank-but having them split up like that made it worse. Though overall it kinda was just not fun to grind out node 5.
I think the only thing that really slowed me down was the fact that I didn’t have an electric team. Despite this I still cleared it faster than Node 7, which I have the correct teams for.
I've been bum rushing Critical Node and got all other versions of Shiyu S-ranked with just using Jane/Seth/Nicole and Billy/Caesar/Lucy swapping Nicole or Lucy with each other depending on the node. I've S ranked up to critical node 4, B ranked Shiyu 5, A ranked 6, and B ranked 7, but I'm also not IK 50 so my characters are locked at lvl 50 for now. I think I can do S rank Shiyu 6 if I cleaned up my Billy run on part 2 better, but I think I agree with everything said in this video, Shiyu 5 was definitely harder than the other two, as I SHOULD be doing enough damage to at least A rank it, but because of the health difference I feel like I'm not going nearly as fast as I should be to clear it. That'll eventually change I guess once I hit 50 and I can upgrade my agents a bit more. Subbed, thanks for the video 👍
I cleared shiyu 5 in 4 : 26 and shiyu 7 in 4 : 30. I actually first cleared shiyu 5 but I had to retry shiyu 7 a few times because I was using a level 40 piper in my second team lol.
I thought it was harder in 5 than usual, still managed to finish with an S, but I thought it was weird. Thank you so much for confirming I wasn’t going crazy lol
I'm one of the players who are still building characters to be ready for the red part of shiyu, I really hope they don't just keep putting tons and tons of HP on every rotation of the mode :c
@@skycomrade4608 stop guessing what expressions mean and start looking for information. Here's what google has to teach you: "Artificial Difficulty (also referred to as Fake Difficulty) is a term which is used to describe 'cheap' methods of creating difficulty used in games to increase the likelihood of failure" The game is unable to get more difficult mechanically, and resorts to things like stalling animations and stat inflation to delay the clear times in a time trial mode.
@@skycomrade4608 Don't guess what expressions mean, start looking for information. Here's from google: "Artificial Difficulty (also referred to as Fake Difficulty) is a term which is used to describe 'cheap' methods of creating difficulty used in games to increase the likelihood of failure" The game is unable to get more difficult mechanically, and resorts to things like stalling animations and stat inflation to delay the clear times in a time trial mode.
@@skycomrade4608 Don't guess what expressions mean, start looking for information. The game is unable to get more difficult and resorts to things like stalling animations and higher stat inflation to delay the clear times in a time trial mode. This is what artificial difficulty means.
Another thing for me was the gimmick buff designed to make Caesar feel good. For previous Critical SDs, even if I didn't have the currently promoted limited character, the gimmick buff was still generically useful and usable for me. The gimmick shield buff this time was unusable for me because I don't have Caesar and haven't built my Seth or Ben.
For real, the past shiyu cycle I was able to S rank all of the nodes (not easy but not sweating at the edge of my seat either), now this current cycle I can only get S rank the first 4 nodes and A rank the last three, they definitely increased HP, the waves the video mentions and those stupid mini bosses, especially the cat one that gets all electrified and dodges everything making you waste time.
I didnt noticed this. Q nicole and zhu still wrecks one side for a 1.1 team. 2nd team caeser, lucy, and s11 wrecks the other side. Pretty sure any stunner would still give me a clear on this team since it inly took me sub 2 minutes
Side 1 of Shiyu Defence Critical Node 5 is just obnoxious. My best times put me at 4 seconds short of S rank, and all the issue is side 1. I've tried with Zhu and with Anton, both take over 3 minutes to clear it. Jane can comfortably clear side 2 in 2 minutes. But that first side, starting with trash that have shields just to slow you down a little bit more, then the double robot section with one that constantly runs away so you might as well be fighting 4 waves not 3 as you rarely get to hit both at the same time. EDIT: ok I managed it with 20s to spare. Side 1 - 2 minutes 39 seconds - Zhu, Nicole, Rina. Side 2 - 1 minutes 56 seconds - Jane, Seth and a Caesar I forgot to use >.>
It's not the first time ZZZ has overtuned some timed battles. These things feel like small oversights on the HDD timed modes, but on Shiyu, I start raising some questions.
Man of culture. I started late so I only have jane. Getting burnice and yanagi. I will do my best to clear with waifu only’s haha. Not a fan of time limit since it’s just a dps check like hsr. I have so many characters unbuilt there so I’m more reserved in pulling characters here.
I managed to clear the shiyu 5th node last night with my Anby lv 57/Nicole lv 57/Rina /v 55 team in 3 mins (not exactly an optimal team I know) and Jane lv 60/Seth lv 50 after like 20 tries and was sooo sure the sixth node would b impossible. but no, got it in one
I feel like they're pushing us to go pull for the new characters in order to finish it. So Ambush Node 5 was absolutely bonkers. Especially since both fights had Ice Resistance, so my main team (which is the Ellen Joe Ice team), was just absolutely useless for this. I managed to get it on S but it really really took me many retries😅 Edit: I'm also skipping both Caesar and Burnice in order get the Miyabi squad (Minus Haramasu)
Fully cleared 7 at S rank for the first time this Shiyu (A rank previously), but can only A rank Stage 5. Feels dumb. I hope they reconsider their challenge increases in the future. I don't mind getting A rank on 6 or 7, but running into a wall out of nowhere didn't feel great.
I just assumed I did a real bad job of my rotations in floor 5 when it took a full minute longer than 7. Fast forward and I'm seeing everyone saying it was harder
Those mechs have always been tougher than Ethereals, it was also the case during patch 1.0 first Shiyu cycle, not to mention current electric team esp the f2p version is really weak when compared to other teams.
i did a search to see if anyone was talking about shiyu critical this go around and i gotta say i haven't even gotten to 5 yet and i'm noticing that everything is far more difficult and i can't put my finger on why; i don't have all my characters grinded out so i usually do these nodes with a 60 attack/anomaly and 50-55 for my other two as they are being carried generally, and even on node 3 i'm getting at best within 15 seconds of S rank when every other series i've cleared nearly all of it with ease. on node 4 i'm getting a B rank at best with a zhu/anby/nicole and 11/caeser/lucy. like suddenly i'm just not doing the damage necessary.
I had a Feeling! The game felt Quite Monstrously Challenging this time around (I like) but I keep losing because "Time Up" (I hate), so now I know this isn't me imagining things We are So going down the slope, Honeymoon is over Boys, it's time for the Gacha Grim to start Harvesting
The only thing that annoys me in shiyu defense are the nodes that contain both ether and ice weakness. Why you may ask? I dont have Zhu yuan nor do i have Ellen since i started playing at Janes release, i could try clearing it with Jane and another team, but sometimes one node has physical and fire res, so both my S11 and Jane team dont work.
ohhhhh the HP inflation...... the HSR's money making formula being being implement in ZZZ. Make characters more and more powerful, game gets too easy, increase enemy HP, repeat and make tons of money 🙃
Well, it's mostly the players fault tho. They complain the game is too easy and not challenging. Tho I agree it's boring if it's too easy. But unlike hsr where you can dodge, they should make the enemies more aggressive and put more enemies on the screen instead of just making them tankier. Look at Genshin Impact, the main complaint of the community was the lack of difficult endgame content lol.
It's tied to support damage amplification capabilities, some inflation is always expected. HSR does it just right. ZZZ messed up this one floor, as it's been mentioned with nodes 6 and 7 not being as much of a problem despite being higher level enemies.
@@WhiteTrashDiva The vocal minority of whales that gives Hoyo money. A very important minority, unlike the "Twitter minority" that doesn't even play the game. Gotta remember the devs can't just ignore the whales.
@@WhiteTrashDiva you also don't need to force yourself to sound funny btw, there's no Twitter bs here. We are trying to have a constructive conversation about the difficult increase.
So the battlepass has a season task to get 6 S-rank clears in Shiyu Defense. I’m currently sitting on 5/6, with an A-clear in each Node 😢 Maybe one day I’ll sit down in Disputed or Ambush and pay attention to avoid Seth getting bodied instead of hoping his shield is big enough to tank the hit… At least the battlepass runs for three Critical Nodes.
it doesn't have to be in the same shiyu defense season. 1 battle pass should be enough time for 2~3 season of shiyu defence consisting of 14~21 stages total so you could get your 6/6 after SH season reset.
@@exion2011 Oh hey! You’re right! I can clear Critical 2, so I’m good. (Never mind that I assumed the Gamer Lean and turned one of the Disputed As into an S yesterday.)
It's precisely what they do: they expect you to pull, so they slowly increase the HP and requirements to force the issue. Never to the point where F2P CANNOT clear, it's just they make you juice for it lol. Sweat. Or pull to make it easier :P.
Well, technically it's not them doing this, it's the community complaining the game is too easy and not challenging at all. I wish they would increase the difficulty by making enemies deadlier rather than tankier, so you would need to actually combo and dodge more often. Or a swarm of enemies.
I'm still like proxy level 40 something, so my characters are only level 50, and I keep running outta time on the stable nodes (I think I only have like 2 left)😅😂 My own fault, lesson learned, don't sleep on the side missions for the exp from the commissions for it Had a lot of time to farm resources, though!
Didn’t even notice it was hard then again I do have zhu, Caesar , and Jane so I finished it all in under 3 mins lol I guess being a whale made the game too easy
I thought I was going crazy. My alt acc with no event characters (saving all my pulls) was getting slammed on Shiyu 5 despite my teams being lvl. 60 and I was so confused
I managed to S rank on my first try on Shiyu 5 even if my Caesar wasn’t fully built to be dps (yes, I built her as a dps) I mostly had time loss against the first half where the robot just kept camping me with bullet spam, forcing to sprint with Ellen to not get melted. The furries didn’t run as much as the mech did, they also flinch and take knockback, so I was able to pull them with Caesar, not to mention that I had element advantage while for the mechs I was with my Ellen team. It felt more annoying than actually harder because of the spacing, which wastes time on a mode meant to have faster clear times, I don’t mind multiple bosses, just don’t make them run away as much as they did
Hey im at 570/600 points in the shop so im very close to buying a 5* standard wengine so im wondering which wengine would have higher account value between S11 and Koleda's Wengines My initial thought is koleda bc it gives energy impact and S11 can run the f2p golden week Wengine but it could be a good video (I personally have s2 of rinas wengine but i think thats a valid choice too)
I lost 3 out of 3 50/50 in ZZZ and 2 out of 2 in Wuwa. Also, 1 early pull on 30, others all at pity. Playing HSR from day 1, i have 25% 50/50 record in Character Banner and 50% 75/25 in lightcone.
Anton + Grace + Rina stocks went bull market against all the teams on the left and my S11 + Lucy + Ceasar smoked all the right enemies. I gotta say, I got lucky with the Grace + Rina + S11 F2P pulls, I can see how other low spend/f2p players might struggle hard during this Shiyu as the only viable electro team requires 2 standard banner S ranks (or Qingyi) AND on top of that the Rebel Faction, Thugs and Shadows are resistant to either Ice or Ether.
I wish they could have that lateral switch on difficulty on Shiyu Defense, meaning, they can do an odd higher/lower level Shiyu Defense as the 'hardest' level for that given cycle. Like, maybe have a 5 wave Shiyu 2 and crank the HP, then let everyone go hogwild on that, but let the other waves be easier. Kind of like this one, to be honest, where Shiyu 6 and 7 were far easier than 5. That said, I don't think they'll pursue that, but it'd at least make it so there is only one *real* challenge and it doesn't always have to be highest level 1 boss.
welp, i had no struggle clearing current shiyu, mb coz i got some gears, or coz i learned how to play it and not randomly mash buttons, same timer for 5 and 7 floors btw so i felt no difference comparing to previous weeks that's a good point about impact at 4:02, i remember myself clearing lower floors with B rank and thinking, nah, i'm not good enough to go further, i wanna be sure current floor for S rank or at least be close to it, or i dont go further >>> but IMHO: you have to have a good (not over-powered) gear to clear time based room, so i dont think that's bad, i think it's a motivation: ok go farm drive-discs, up ur stats, etc. Shiyu is so called "end-game" (while it's easy if you have "straight arms"), so yeah, go get some stuff and reach some lvl of skill p.s. billy is the strongest
btw, i've enjoyed more the ambush line vs timer-based, especially last floors where there're 1 big and very active melee-guy constantly attacking you and taking your attention and aiming and 1 range-guy that is just rdy to fck u up any time, that's so good i'd like to see if devs would add an option to turn-off light and sound indicators of enemy attacks for shiyu (mb any mode) just like they did in blitz mode
Haven't noticed cause I got lucky. No 50/50 loss yet. Use Ellen, Zhu Yuan, and Soldier 11. Mix and match with Qingyi / Caeser + supports (Soukaku, Nicole, and Lucy).
the only thing that made 5 and 7 is hard/harsh is due to hearing or seeing the flash the dodge mechanic still used ellen and zhu team and still didnt fail, just had good luck.
Honestly my teams are pretty solid had to mix some characters up and move my teams so i could max dps and achieved S rank in all levels so i say this was a good node for experimention even more now that i finally have a lot of characters build
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Another thing about Shiyu 5: the paired mini-bosses are both 1 ranged unit and 1 melee unit which, paired with how difficult it is to flinch them, makes it much harder to group them together. I only managed to clear this node through what felt like shear luck after several attempts, where both bosses ended up trapped in a corner where I could burst them down.
The mech duo are one ranged and one mixed. However, the mixed one is highly mobile and can play zoning very easily, hence it's a drag for fast clears in this configuration.
Yeah. The enemys itself aren't hard(er). How they separated each other while combat made it very time consuming. I got lucky too when they stucked together at the corner.
Yeah, the corner was key for this one.
@@parkerthompson2893 ZZZ best herding simulator
funny thing i saw it mentionned everywhere that shiyu 5 was challenging, went and check i still managed to have 1min 15 sec left when clearing it using on one side a koleda/soldier11/lucy team , i guess fire weakness help a lot
and there is me who cant even clear stable nodes 💀
Got all this to look forward to bud!
Sounds more like bad investment over anything. People are doing fine with Solo Billy run.
@@justjuniorjaw nah bro i am lazy to farm drive disc
@@Lord_Arbiter well there's your problem.
@@Lord_ArbiterThe game gives you a lot of free resources to craft some discs. I crafted a bunch of Woodpecker and it helped a lot
i love robotic enemies having goofy delayed attacks that doesnt match their "counter flash" indicator
i love robotic enemies that put up shield 10x tougher than his actual HP and somehow allow them to not get anomaly build up
i love the ether ninja who uses insta transmission to stall and have a lot of Iframe on his attacks
i love heavy machinery enemy that have 80% of the map as its AOE multi attack that have no indicator except for the first initial attack
i love all the doppelganger having barely any stun duration so it forces you to raw DPS or use anomaly char on em
"in case it wasn't obvious, im being sarcastic"
oh and i loooooooooove grace, a Range char that have abysmal range drop off with an attack animation that makes her go BACKWARD with no gap closer + dodge counter that doesnt do anything other than eating your dodge cooldown too fast that you still get hit on a longer attack strings from the enemy, oh and did i mention her dodge pulls you into the enemy instead? what a great design , i love it yes , lets make the only time i want to have space be the time im gap closing -w-, smort dev, lovely
PS : keep loosing my 50/50 to her so now my grace is at c3 :D
ouch... got a C1 Grace here... and a C8 Jean on Genshin.
Yeah, the game is very poorly handled. If you want to make things even worse play on mobile where you can't tell anymore if they're messing with you or your touch screen decided to not register (spoiler, it's usually their fault still)
As someone who DID stop at node 5 because I figured I wasn’t ready for the rest with the amount of trouble it caused me, this explains a lot.
Genuinly this Shiyu 5 made me stop and question if I actually had trash builds and that’s why it felt like I was doing no damage…. But no they just made them insanely tanky for some reason lmao.
This is the gaslight node frfr
hoyo LOVES making enemies that stall for a long period of time to give the illusion that you aren't doing enough damage.
Yea, thats what irritated me so much especially when im running caeser and wating for the mob to hit me its so stupid
That and the enemies sitting at the edge of the stage doing fuck-all, which makes it borderline impossible to group them to not waste damage. Every time-based game does this cheap garbage for aritficial "difficulty"
Great video!
You're one of the only CC's who have addressed the issue of HP inflation in Shiyu thank you for that.
When I initially looked at the numbers it was a bit surprising that no one else had mentioned it.
The difficulty variation seems like it's going to hit different people at different times based purely on which teams you have developed. My two main teams are Ice (Ellen/Lycaon/Soukaku) and Physical (Caesar/Jane/Seth), so in any node where the two groups have ice and physical weakness, its no problem.
This node, in addition to having high HP and more waves, had electric weakness for the first half, and I don't have any sort of developed electric damage team. It seems like someone who did have one would have a much easier time with this wave, but may have a harder time with another wave that requires ice if they don't have an ice team, etc.
I like the waves which have more than one weakness (for example Ethereal enemies are usually Ice/Ether weakness) because it gives more of a chance for you to have an appropriate team. I guess this problem will lessen over time as we play and have longer to develop more teams- maybe a year from now I will also have a decently-set-up Electric and Fire team, and this will be less of a roadblock.
I think you're spot on with this. Elemental weakness plays a massive role in how difficult Shiyu is overall and when enemies are given higher health than usual I think the difference becomes especially noticeable.
My first team that I built was Anton, Grace, Anby (later replaced with Qingyi) and I STRUGGLED with Shiyu because most of the early rotations had nodes with Ice/Ether weak enemies. In contrast, this Shiyu I breezed through (including node 5) because my 2 teams matched up well with the weaknesses (second team is Jane & Seth).
Well, you literally got a free electric agent... It make sense that they made it easy for people using team with one of the first three free element... That's may change when we'll get more agents and casual players leave... Also it is actually one of the most commont element along with physical... Well, we have also fire, but half of them are S rank and after Burnice more than half of them will be S rank, with her beign the only guranteed from pulls... And we barely got a free Lucy now.
@@nanakomatsu7425 When the game released we had access to 6 free units with at least one of every element. Anby for Electricity, Nicole for Ether, Ben for Fire, Billy & Corin for Physical, and Soukaku for Ice.
All Shiyu cycles up to this point have been centered around the elements of the limited S Rank/s that are currently on banner at the time. This is supported by the initial Shiyu cycles being almost entirely Ice & Ether weak enemies.
Electric wasn't a very commonly built team because Ellen & Zhu Yuan are both hyper carry DPS and they were the first banners, so anyone who pulled for them would have built their teams around them. Up until the most recent Shiyu Defense cycle they were the most used units based on Prydwens collected data, only being overtaken this cycle by Jane Doe.
For me it was difficult because there was a robot that only runs away from you and added to that there was Pulchra that has invulnerability, basically I felt stalled
I've stopped doing them because I hate time trials.
Nah fr that stuff be pissing me off bc I care too much ab getting that S rank
My times, same two teams.
SD Level 5: 4:58
SD Level 6: 3:35
In first half, on SD5 there is a wave with two robots, which were running away from my the whole time, lol.
So yeah, it was a bit harder for me, with better play I probably could do SD5 faster, but it's a bit rough. Anton FTW btw.
One aspect of the game's balancing I haven't seen explored is higher armor/defense over HP. Imagine how popular Rina would become if stacking for PEN became the go-to strat over just...do more damage. Might bring the ATK-based Agents into popularity amidst the Anomaly craze we've been having as well...and would give newer players a potential build to focus on for higher difficulty activities, since we have PEN as:
-A disc drive 2-piece bonus
-An entire Agent's core passive
-W-Engine bonuses
-Disc Drive primary and secondary stats
...baring that, maybe clearing a wave without taking too much damage/no damage could add some time back.
I was so confused as to why Shiyu 5 was so difficult because I easily beat 1-4 & 6-7 even on mobile 💀 First stage which made me pick up my controller
Great explanation, thx!
Also the new Shiyu is built for Caesar. The enemies deal 20% more damage to you(not sure if its 20%) and you deal more damage if you get a shield.
I need a shielder to clear this on all S as a f2p, so I built Seth and it worked and achieved all S, but its still difficult than the past Shiyu defenses.
It's like this since the launch, before Caesar we had two Shiyu's which were crafted to make Jane shine, and before one especially made for Qingy, with Ice being the best element in the first ever S'sD and Ether being generally useful since launch because Ellen and Officer Gyatt and an Anomaly and Fire themed one on its way with the Burnice package.
That's how they make people pull more while making those who already pulled the limited character feel rewarded, while at the same time keeping the entire game doable even for people who don't pull at all.
I'm glad it's not just me who felt 5 was way harder. And I always like Nicole's suck...or Ceasar's. And I'd like to see Burnice changing too.
I also like Nicole's suck..for reasons 😏
I didn't think I was doing so bad on 5 until I saw the A rank pop up. I was even more confused when I continued to 6-7 right after (without retrying 5), and I didn't have to sweat too hard to clear those. Nice to know I wasn't alone on this.
My BRO POWERHOUSE ANTON carried my through node5, didn't even notice difficulty spike
tbf he does shreds with electric weakness.
What is the team composition?
@@AyaKa-y2e Anton dps, Ceasaer for stun and buffs and Grace for constant shock
i don't have ice and ether dps, this shiyu is made for those who invested on early banners 😫
@@trollme5242 I don't either, you can bum rush most of them with 4 stars if they don't resist physical
With Caesar, i felt like i just blitzed thru everything.
I didn't notice a difficulty spike.
I still remember back in 4.7 in genshin floor 12-1 had four waves of easy enemies spawning at opposite sides of each other and being so annoyed because bursting would just waste energy but not bursting meant you won't deal as much damage. And then on the other side was a bunch of elemental checks with enemy shields.
Remember!? I'll never forget that utter BS.
i wont forget that bs, oh why dont we make the only one room with pyro-sheilds (lectors, mages and etc..), oh so you've started from 4.5 and dont have lots of hydro, here's your choice "go barbara go!" :DDDD, somehow i managed to do 34/36 stars
I think the reason for the weird balancing going on in this Shiyu season was a hopeful quick fix for the back to back Physical limited S-Rank Banners. Usually, The Shiyu season tries to spotlight the current limited S Rank with their element being present on every node, plus the nodes' extra effects highly favoring their gimmick. With physical weakness and a bonus requiring a shield to activate, it was perfect to showcase the many strengths of Caesar... Buuut, I think they underestimated how good Jane is, even when low-invested. Yes, during her season, she was insane due to all the bonuses favored towards her, but during this season, the only bonus she is getting without a Shield giving ally, is 20% Atk, and homegirl is still mopping the floor with the enemies, setting records. (In addition, due to her dodge centric playstyle, she really doesn't care about the 20% extra damage taken cause 20% of 0 dmg is 0 dmg.) So in an attempt to make it harder, they inflated the enemies Hp, in an attempt to make fights longer and not a cakewalk for Jane. And while yes, it worked to some extent, it had the unfortunate side effect of also dragging down the clear time of every other team where they might miss the S-Rank Requirement.
Jane Doe's real identity is probably Mary Sue, because she is an insane DPS without any restrictions or conditions she needs to fulfill to activate her full kit. She is about 1.5x stronger than Nekomata in clear time, and she is clearly power-creeping standard characters. The only all-purpose DPS she can be compared to is probably Piper, but Piper is far more dependent on enemy behavior, their DPS, ER, weakness to stagger, and her power stacks. I dislike such power creep since it doesn't change gameplay practically at all and only helps to clear endgame content without using any special mechanics, because she doesn’t have any of them.
Got S on everything except nodes 5 and 7. Decided to not worry about it and focus on upgrading my characters for the time being
yeah floor 5 was the only one i had to do a reset on
Same brother I got an A 😑
@@ChristianPerez-ku9dz u still have some time i believe in u
I like this channel man good splash of info and humor, dude seems down to earth this is my go to ZZZ channel keep it up homie. Hoping your burnice pulls go great 🤞🏽
Thank you for the support! Hopefully not a third lost 50/50...
@@AverageLuckGamer you got this man, even us adverge luck gamers have a lucky moment or two 😂
As someone who started with Jane and only got S11 as another dps - this SD was extremely difficult for me. I S-Ranked them, but barely. S5 with only fire and physical dps was so bad... so so bad. I really need the next ice or ether dps asap.
I swear my jane one tapped the small enemies last rotation but now she doesnt
Yeah, I just barely S cleared floor 5 with like 5 seconds to spare, and I was like, "Damn, I can't believe I'm getting power crept out of this so fast." but then I cleared floors 6 and 7 in like 3 minutes and 3:30 minutes.
I quite feel proud of myself. I didn't really notice until people pointed it out because I S-ranked them all on first try.
Yeah. I got my Jane to a decent point this week, so I ran through all the physical nodes this time around. I think I had to repeat once for an S rank, but I really didn't think about the difficulty difference until I saw the poll the other day
same here, my hyper carry ZH m0 still blasting everything under 1:30 and my Piper team still hold good againt enemies that weak to physical so im not even realized that the enemies HP is bloated.
So glad to hear this; I really struggled with 5. I think besides the issues discussed in this video, that particular pair of enemies is also just brutal.
This round was generally was more annoying cause the enemies stalled more. Enemies dodged and ran away consistently
Since I'm skipping every banner and my only limited is Ellen, I must say that my second team was hard struggling lol
Had to build Lucy and piper from scratch at the beginning of 1.2 to finally clear it
Day 1 player here. Using Zhu Yuan, Seth, Nicole and Piper, Ceasar, Lucy.
Honestly didn't realize the difficulty spike on Shiyu 15 since all my times just barely come inside the S-rank mark. Pretty sure if my Ether team is doing stages longer I can just brute strength with Ceasar shield + Piper uninterrupted spin.
I was surprised at how easy the last one was, but the current one definitely feels like a significant DPS check. I got two A clears on 5 and 7 this time.
I do applaud everyone who has gotten through Shiyu. Though haven't farmed disc drives yet as im still leveling up characters and i am missing some elements to fill.
I feel like theres no need to rush for now but its just me but can't wait to get my levels up and get some disc drives to eventually complete it! Good luck out there Proxies! I wish you a good journey through the towers!
Endgame content from gacha games will always involve money in the difficulty. Thats why I do not put these types of endgames contents in the same league as DMC 5 bloody palace, Tales of Arise arena fights, Scarlet Nexus Simulated missions and many more
AAA endgame content will always be superior
One of the most in-depth videos I've seen and the only one addressing the tankier shiyu defense nodes! (i also like the fact that lycaon pops up when you say like and subscribe lol)
The grouping more than anything is what slowed me down. In the second half if you can chase down and focus the ranged shadow while the melee shadow will just come to you for easy grouping, but the final two robots in the first half mostly kept their distance. I found I had better luck focusing the larger one when trying to group them.
Also as a side note, I thought it was funny that the first half says it's resistant to physical but if you examine the units there's only one mob with that resistance so you can bring someone like Jane and power through regardless.
I think the final wave in Node 5 having two doppelgangers at once is what really eats up time, bc if you are running a burst dps that wants to unload everything when the units are stunned, you either have to try and line up both stuns at the same time or play around the fact that one of the doppelgangers will keep attacking you when the other is stunned which can interrupt your combos.
Yeah, it was until i realized that, you have to focus on DPS doppleganger, because the tank one will keep going towards you, that way you'll be able to round them up and beat them in quick session
I've only got 3 characters on lv. 60, the rest are an assortment of 30-55
cleared node 7 on S after around 3 tries but node 5 really made me work for it
for me, i think its the way the wave 3 enemies position themselves in the first half
i could probably have shaved half a minute if i can keep both in the same spot
just relieved to see there's a majority who had a hard time on node 5
I had a bit of issue but managed to S rank everything before getting Caesar. Funny enough I managed to beat it with a really good Jane doe and a really badly built Lucy. No third member. I'm enjoying all of shiyu defense we have gotten so far but my favorite has to be the ambush node. Cause I was underleveled for it and had to actually play good or get 3 shot killed by bosses. Now, unless I'm playing on the phone, I've become a beast. Looking forward to the future content.
Team 1 : Zhu Yuan + Quingy + Nicole
Team 2 : Caesar + Piper + Lucy
All clear easy peasy 🤞
In hindsight those are probably the smartest teams a f2p could build covering everything except ice just swapping piper for a fire unit when you need fire weak
same team like me
And burnice is coming in a week woo hoo.@@mismagia
Floor 05 difficulty spike kinda caught me off guard but it's a nice challenge.
I realized I had 2 problems after trying this SD 5 and 7. The first one is that my Zhu Yuan wasn't built properly. I fixed up her disks (ended up using atk on 6 and pen on 5) and cleared SD5. It was satisfying to finally do it.
Then the other problem. I'm stuck on even clearing SD7, let alone in the 5 total minutes. I know the current SD is shilling Caesar, but I haven't built Seth either and I'm not very good at dodging. It feels like Elden Ring, except I don't have any healing. I haven't been able to clear it once.
We in genshin and wuwa do be chilling
But fr , it took a lot of RNG for me to get those robots to clump up together.
Reminded me of that one genshin floor 11 from way back in the day, OGs know what I am talking about.
11.2 It haunts me.
node 5 was a complete disaster for me
I was mindlessly locked in just to get s rank, and I skipped caesar because I didn't like how easy her core passive makes everything seems, so it's challenging but I love it
I'm new to ZZZ, your Zhu Yuan is NASTY THAT DAMAGE WTF DUDE
I agree with reducing the HP scaling for 5, or more generally, the total enemy HP of every node should be less than the total HP of the next node in sequence. Another idea is keep everything the same, same time for S-rank, etc., but give bonus time extensions for certain difficult moves or combos, similar to how beating on vines or hornets in Withering Garden gives you bonus time. For example, each 50k damage done through Dodge Counters extends the S-rank time by 10 seconds, or something like that, with a max bonus of 30 seconds. The bonus move or combo can be different for each node, adding variety. The moves or combos would always be available to F2P and limited agents, so no bias to limiteds. Like don't make it 1M damage done in Jane's passion state, that would require Jane and only Jane.
Thank you this video made me feel better about myself. And the fact that i am trying with 3 lvl 50 chars and 0 60 ones.
Dude i noticed 5 being harder than 7 too, thought it was just a skill issue
Stage 5 was the hardest but after building piper it was easy
The irony of me having the exact situation he explained (b rank node 5 then a-ranking 6 and 7). I'm a day one f2p and like dang this one just sucks. I was able to grind out assault mode fine, most the previous shiyu defenses I've gotten like all s-rank except the last two, but this one just sucks. I don't even mind the 3 waves on the first half, it genuinely felt balanced, but second half was INSANE. Honestly, it would've been more painful but if all 3 of the minibosses were at once I think I could've gotten an A rank-but having them split up like that made it worse. Though overall it kinda was just not fun to grind out node 5.
I think the only thing that really slowed me down was the fact that I didn’t have an electric team. Despite this I still cleared it faster than Node 7, which I have the correct teams for.
I've been bum rushing Critical Node and got all other versions of Shiyu S-ranked with just using Jane/Seth/Nicole and Billy/Caesar/Lucy swapping Nicole or Lucy with each other depending on the node. I've S ranked up to critical node 4, B ranked Shiyu 5, A ranked 6, and B ranked 7, but I'm also not IK 50 so my characters are locked at lvl 50 for now. I think I can do S rank Shiyu 6 if I cleaned up my Billy run on part 2 better, but I think I agree with everything said in this video, Shiyu 5 was definitely harder than the other two, as I SHOULD be doing enough damage to at least A rank it, but because of the health difference I feel like I'm not going nearly as fast as I should be to clear it. That'll eventually change I guess once I hit 50 and I can upgrade my agents a bit more.
Subbed, thanks for the video 👍
I’m usually so bad that I did not notice it got harder and thought it’s normal
I cleared shiyu 5 in 4 : 26 and shiyu 7 in 4 : 30. I actually first cleared shiyu 5 but I had to retry shiyu 7 a few times because I was using a level 40 piper in my second team lol.
I thought it was harder in 5 than usual, still managed to finish with an S, but I thought it was weird. Thank you so much for confirming I wasn’t going crazy lol
I'm one of the players who are still building characters to be ready for the red part of shiyu, I really hope they don't just keep putting tons and tons of HP on every rotation of the mode :c
Oh boy. My favorite: pointless artificial difficulty
Yes, as opposed to 'all natural and organic difficulty' All difficulty is artificial, it's a game.
can't sell the new shiny unit if you can already clear everything
@@skycomrade4608 stop guessing what expressions mean and start looking for information. Here's what google has to teach you:
"Artificial Difficulty (also referred to as Fake Difficulty) is a term which is used to describe 'cheap' methods of creating difficulty used in games to increase the likelihood of failure"
The game is unable to get more difficult mechanically, and resorts to things like stalling animations and stat inflation to delay the clear times in a time trial mode.
@@skycomrade4608 Don't guess what expressions mean, start looking for information. Here's from google:
"Artificial Difficulty (also referred to as Fake Difficulty) is a term which is used to describe 'cheap' methods of creating difficulty used in games to increase the likelihood of failure"
The game is unable to get more difficult mechanically, and resorts to things like stalling animations and stat inflation to delay the clear times in a time trial mode.
@@skycomrade4608 Don't guess what expressions mean, start looking for information.
The game is unable to get more difficult and resorts to things like stalling animations and higher stat inflation to delay the clear times in a time trial mode. This is what artificial difficulty means.
Another thing for me was the gimmick buff designed to make Caesar feel good. For previous Critical SDs, even if I didn't have the currently promoted limited character, the gimmick buff was still generically useful and usable for me. The gimmick shield buff this time was unusable for me because I don't have Caesar and haven't built my Seth or Ben.
I find it annoying that when I used Nicole blackhole, the enemies attacked inside it without the statue buff.
For real, the past shiyu cycle I was able to S rank all of the nodes (not easy but not sweating at the edge of my seat either), now this current cycle I can only get S rank the first 4 nodes and A rank the last three, they definitely increased HP, the waves the video mentions and those stupid mini bosses, especially the cat one that gets all electrified and dodges everything making you waste time.
Bro out damaged the shields instead of killing the totem on the middle wich when you kill it first it removes the shields...
Right there with you on losing two 50/50s so far 😭
I didnt noticed this. Q nicole and zhu still wrecks one side for a 1.1 team.
2nd team caeser, lucy, and s11 wrecks the other side. Pretty sure any stunner would still give me a clear on this team since it inly took me sub 2 minutes
Your thumbnails are great. been watching for a while, just wanted to share lol
Thanks man, sometimes I spend waaaay too long on them but I kind of enjoy it!
@@AverageLuckGamer effort well spent imo
Side 1 of Shiyu Defence Critical Node 5 is just obnoxious. My best times put me at 4 seconds short of S rank, and all the issue is side 1.
I've tried with Zhu and with Anton, both take over 3 minutes to clear it.
Jane can comfortably clear side 2 in 2 minutes.
But that first side, starting with trash that have shields just to slow you down a little bit more, then the double robot section with one that constantly runs away so you might as well be fighting 4 waves not 3 as you rarely get to hit both at the same time.
EDIT: ok I managed it with 20s to spare.
Side 1 - 2 minutes 39 seconds - Zhu, Nicole, Rina.
Side 2 - 1 minutes 56 seconds - Jane, Seth and a Caesar I forgot to use >.>
It's not the first time ZZZ has overtuned some timed battles. These things feel like small oversights on the HDD timed modes, but on Shiyu, I start raising some questions.
Man of culture. I started late so I only have jane. Getting burnice and yanagi. I will do my best to clear with waifu only’s haha. Not a fan of time limit since it’s just a dps check like hsr. I have so many characters unbuilt there so I’m more reserved in pulling characters here.
good luck!
I managed to clear the shiyu 5th node last night with my Anby lv 57/Nicole lv 57/Rina /v 55 team in 3 mins (not exactly an optimal team I know) and Jane lv 60/Seth lv 50 after like 20 tries and was sooo sure the sixth node would b impossible. but no, got it in one
lost both 50/50 as well. had to go close to hard pity every time. it feels worse because one was on cesers banner.
Yeah I don't even bother with critical except for a few stage clears every reset. The other nodes I've S ranked them all. Alot more fun of fights too.
After playing this game for so long and seeing all the characters, Shiyu defense isn’t the only thing that’s gotten harder for me 😈.
I feel like they're pushing us to go pull for the new characters in order to finish it. So Ambush Node 5 was absolutely bonkers. Especially since both fights had Ice Resistance, so my main team (which is the Ellen Joe Ice team), was just absolutely useless for this.
I managed to get it on S but it really really took me many retries😅
Edit: I'm also skipping both Caesar and Burnice in order get the Miyabi squad (Minus Haramasu)
Fully cleared 7 at S rank for the first time this Shiyu (A rank previously), but can only A rank Stage 5. Feels dumb. I hope they reconsider their challenge increases in the future. I don't mind getting A rank on 6 or 7, but running into a wall out of nowhere didn't feel great.
I just assumed I did a real bad job of my rotations in floor 5 when it took a full minute longer than 7. Fast forward and I'm seeing everyone saying it was harder
Those mechs have always been tougher than Ethereals, it was also the case during patch 1.0 first Shiyu cycle, not to mention current electric team esp the f2p version is really weak when compared to other teams.
i did a search to see if anyone was talking about shiyu critical this go around and i gotta say i haven't even gotten to 5 yet and i'm noticing that everything is far more difficult and i can't put my finger on why; i don't have all my characters grinded out so i usually do these nodes with a 60 attack/anomaly and 50-55 for my other two as they are being carried generally, and even on node 3 i'm getting at best within 15 seconds of S rank when every other series i've cleared nearly all of it with ease. on node 4 i'm getting a B rank at best with a zhu/anby/nicole and 11/caeser/lucy. like suddenly i'm just not doing the damage necessary.
I had a Feeling!
The game felt Quite Monstrously Challenging this time around (I like) but I keep losing because "Time Up" (I hate), so now I know this isn't me imagining things
We are So going down the slope, Honeymoon is over Boys, it's time for the Gacha Grim to start Harvesting
I love the level of the Bellum fight. I hope they don't nerf it, I will need harder content for my Lighter
The only thing that annoys me in shiyu defense are the nodes that contain both ether and ice weakness. Why you may ask? I dont have Zhu yuan nor do i have Ellen since i started playing at Janes release, i could try clearing it with Jane and another team, but sometimes one node has physical and fire res, so both my S11 and Jane team dont work.
ohhhhh the HP inflation...... the HSR's money making formula being being implement in ZZZ. Make characters more and more powerful, game gets too easy, increase enemy HP, repeat and make tons of money 🙃
Well, it's mostly the players fault tho. They complain the game is too easy and not challenging. Tho I agree it's boring if it's too easy. But unlike hsr where you can dodge, they should make the enemies more aggressive and put more enemies on the screen instead of just making them tankier. Look at Genshin Impact, the main complaint of the community was the lack of difficult endgame content lol.
@@Raikos100 "the community" . . . omfg, are you . . nahh nevermind . . it's the vocal minority who complained
It's tied to support damage amplification capabilities, some inflation is always expected. HSR does it just right. ZZZ messed up this one floor, as it's been mentioned with nodes 6 and 7 not being as much of a problem despite being higher level enemies.
@@WhiteTrashDiva The vocal minority of whales that gives Hoyo money. A very important minority, unlike the "Twitter minority" that doesn't even play the game. Gotta remember the devs can't just ignore the whales.
@@WhiteTrashDiva you also don't need to force yourself to sound funny btw, there's no Twitter bs here. We are trying to have a constructive conversation about the difficult increase.
So the battlepass has a season task to get 6 S-rank clears in Shiyu Defense. I’m currently sitting on 5/6, with an A-clear in each Node 😢
Maybe one day I’ll sit down in Disputed or Ambush and pay attention to avoid Seth getting bodied instead of hoping his shield is big enough to tank the hit…
At least the battlepass runs for three Critical Nodes.
it doesn't have to be in the same shiyu defense season. 1 battle pass should be enough time for 2~3 season of shiyu defence consisting of 14~21 stages total so you could get your 6/6 after SH season reset.
@@exion2011 Oh hey! You’re right! I can clear Critical 2, so I’m good.
(Never mind that I assumed the Gamer Lean and turned one of the Disputed As into an S yesterday.)
I'm still at A rank on S5, i got Zhu Yuan, Jane and Caesar(new), im still off by 30-45 secs
It's precisely what they do: they expect you to pull, so they slowly increase the HP and requirements to force the issue. Never to the point where F2P CANNOT clear, it's just they make you juice for it lol. Sweat. Or pull to make it easier :P.
I agree, I hope it doesn't go that way.
@@AverageLuckGamer Yep, especially since this game is a bit ROUGH to get a unit up and running lol. I'm so broke and starved compared to Genshin xD.
Well, technically it's not them doing this, it's the community complaining the game is too easy and not challenging at all. I wish they would increase the difficulty by making enemies deadlier rather than tankier, so you would need to actually combo and dodge more often. Or a swarm of enemies.
I'm still like proxy level 40 something, so my characters are only level 50, and I keep running outta time on the stable nodes (I think I only have like 2 left)😅😂
My own fault, lesson learned, don't sleep on the side missions for the exp from the commissions for it
Had a lot of time to farm resources, though!
Didn’t even notice it was hard then again I do have zhu, Caesar , and Jane so I finished it all in under 3 mins lol I guess being a whale made the game too easy
I thought I was going crazy. My alt acc with no event characters (saving all my pulls) was getting slammed on Shiyu 5 despite my teams being lvl. 60 and I was so confused
I mean, i think that they made this critital note thinking that you have the banner character because cesar can hard carry
I managed to S rank on my first try on Shiyu 5 even if my Caesar wasn’t fully built to be dps (yes, I built her as a dps) I mostly had time loss against the first half where the robot just kept camping me with bullet spam, forcing to sprint with Ellen to not get melted. The furries didn’t run as much as the mech did, they also flinch and take knockback, so I was able to pull them with Caesar, not to mention that I had element advantage while for the mechs I was with my Ellen team.
It felt more annoying than actually harder because of the spacing, which wastes time on a mode meant to have faster clear times, I don’t mind multiple bosses, just don’t make them run away as much as they did
Hey im at 570/600 points in the shop so im very close to buying a 5* standard wengine so im wondering which wengine would have higher account value between S11 and Koleda's Wengines
My initial thought is koleda bc it gives energy impact and S11 can run the f2p golden week Wengine but it could be a good video
(I personally have s2 of rinas wengine but i think thats a valid choice too)
I lost 3 out of 3 50/50 in ZZZ and 2 out of 2 in Wuwa. Also, 1 early pull on 30, others all at pity.
Playing HSR from day 1, i have 25% 50/50 record in Character Banner and 50% 75/25 in lightcone.
I cleared all 7 in less than 330 on first time with no resets.
Anton + Grace + Rina stocks went bull market against all the teams on the left and my S11 + Lucy + Ceasar smoked all the right enemies.
I gotta say, I got lucky with the Grace + Rina + S11 F2P pulls, I can see how other low spend/f2p players might struggle hard during this Shiyu as the only viable electro team requires 2 standard banner S ranks (or Qingyi) AND on top of that the Rebel Faction, Thugs and Shadows are resistant to either Ice or Ether.
I wish they could have that lateral switch on difficulty on Shiyu Defense, meaning, they can do an odd higher/lower level Shiyu Defense as the 'hardest' level for that given cycle. Like, maybe have a 5 wave Shiyu 2 and crank the HP, then let everyone go hogwild on that, but let the other waves be easier. Kind of like this one, to be honest, where Shiyu 6 and 7 were far easier than 5.
That said, I don't think they'll pursue that, but it'd at least make it so there is only one *real* challenge and it doesn't always have to be highest level 1 boss.
I got the impression the general buffs were less strong this time around
The last one 1st boss has been the bane of my existence 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
welp, i had no struggle clearing current shiyu, mb coz i got some gears, or coz i learned how to play it and not randomly mash buttons, same timer for 5 and 7 floors btw so i felt no difference comparing to previous weeks
that's a good point about impact at 4:02, i remember myself clearing lower floors with B rank and thinking, nah, i'm not good enough to go further, i wanna be sure current floor for S rank or at least be close to it, or i dont go further >>> but IMHO: you have to have a good (not over-powered) gear to clear time based room, so i dont think that's bad, i think it's a motivation: ok go farm drive-discs, up ur stats, etc. Shiyu is so called "end-game" (while it's easy if you have "straight arms"), so yeah, go get some stuff and reach some lvl of skill
p.s. billy is the strongest
btw, i've enjoyed more the ambush line vs timer-based, especially last floors where there're 1 big and very active melee-guy constantly attacking you and taking your attention and aiming and 1 range-guy that is just rdy to fck u up any time, that's so good
i'd like to see if devs would add an option to turn-off light and sound indicators of enemy attacks for shiyu (mb any mode) just like they did in blitz mode
Haven't noticed cause I got lucky. No 50/50 loss yet.
Use Ellen, Zhu Yuan, and Soldier 11. Mix and match with Qingyi / Caeser + supports (Soukaku, Nicole, and Lucy).
the only thing that made 5 and 7 is hard/harsh is due to hearing or seeing the flash the dodge mechanic
still used ellen and zhu team and still didnt fail, just had good luck.
I accepted that my node 5 will have A rank
Honestly my teams are pretty solid had to mix some characters up and move my teams so i could max dps and achieved S rank in all levels so i say this was a good node for experimention even more now that i finally have a lot of characters build