My ex husband has a sister addicted to drugs, she lost her kids to the system and the foster dad molested those kids. It's crazy how foster care really doesn't check up on those kids once they're placed. They got moved to another family until his mom went and got custody. The man that molested those kids never went to jail but they did lose the ability to foster kids. As if that was enough. SMH.
My daughter's half-sister (same father) visited my daughter for an afternoon two years ago and abandoned her 10 year old daughter there. She said "I'm going out for a smoke." and she bolted. My daughter went to the Ministry Of Children And Families to get custody of her and they wanted to put her in a foster home, which was ridiculous. They finally gave my daughter custody and then told her that the girl's father and another family member had molested her, but they still had to allow him telephone access to her until he was found guilty in court. We were all just stunned that they would force this girl to speak to the man who abused her so badly. The way the various governments treat these poor kids is disgusting.
I went to school with two sisters, one who I'm still in contact with who was in my grade and her older sister who was in the autism spectrum, who was a year older than me. The foster mom already had like 5 or 6 kids who all treated my friend and her sister horribly. The mom made my friend keep her hair cut short because when it got long she "looked like a sheepdog"- she was made to get a job at 15 and chip in with the bills while her bio kids didn't have to, she was never allowed to go to social events. And her autistic sister... I'm also still in contact with her. Her story is so sad. The foster mom wasn't married but she had a variety of boyfriends. And the older sister would come to school and gain some weight, then be out of school for a few weeks, then come back...would happen about twice a year for about 5 or 6 years. The foster mom's boyfriends would rape her, she'd get pregnant, and then she was taken to get abortions when she would start showing. It was a big scandal in our community once it came out yet nothing was really done about it. It still makes my stomach turn. And the foster mom was supposed to be pious woman of the church who was a do-gooder.
Unfortunately it happens all the time! There is such a desperate need for good foster parents. Too many do it for the wrong reasons, money, abuse, the list goes on. It breaks my heart:(
@@fruithippie those are the worst ones!! I’ve been in a home almost identical to that situation. I’m native and she cut my waist length hair to look like a buzz cut.. but all the while she was abusing us, she put off like some savior.
There's so much more info on that first case about sabrina. She had been groomed by her foster dad the entire time and was telling her that he was being abused by his wife. He turned her against the foster mom and was promising that she wouldn't get in trouble for killing her so then they could be together with the kids. Abrina eventually told him no she couldn't do it that's why he threatened the suicide. Once sabrina was arrested it took her about a year before she realized that her foster dad had played her and he wasn't coming for her. When she found out he was living a life of leisure off of his wife's insurance money that's when she told the entire story.
That second story, just wow! Christie got shafted at every turn. Poor woman, her children should have never been taken away from her and if they hadn’t been, the older one wouldn’t have been killed.
@@TheRationalist. DHS is very little in most cases but the injection of government tyranny into personal lives while most actual unfit mothers receive infinite second chances.
Also the Turpins who horrendously abused all their kids to the point where they we're malnourished leading to the parents getting arrested. Some of the kids got adopted to abusive parents and the adopted father sexually assaulted one of the girls. It's a sad story, the kids survived abuse from they're biological parents just to be abused again by the foster parents.
On the other side of things I believe in the UK a child's past history isn't revealed to foster parents which could end up being a nightmare waiting to happen, but rarely.
The Logan case is an example of how DHS values money over families. Also the first foster mom slapped her and threw her on a bed while choking her… After than the agent denied her families request for sheltering and placed her with Sally.
From a post on FB by a nephew of the family: "Eric was granted full parole in early 2020. Full parole has been revoked as he is still considered “moderate risk to reoffend”..." Though not a full parole, he was paroled just the same to a halfway house in Victoria.
This sadly sounds typical of DHS failing children constantly. I was a foster child and was put into an abusive foster home, I have zero faith in them. It’s taken me years to even speak about it.
Nona Yabizness, I am terribly sorry that you endured such horrific childhood. I hope that find an outlet to help you deal with what happened to you. May you have the peace and happiness you deserve.
@@NatureLover-62 . Thank you very much for your kind words. Therapy is helping and moving near the National forest. I hike and mushroom hunt, there is nothing better than the beauty we have all around us to help clear your mind. Stay safe and enjoy your weekend.
Same. The first foster home I went to in particular at the age of 4 was…horrendous. I hope you’re doing better lovely, you’re not alone, and you deserve everything in life, please remember that ♥️
I don't trust the foster system, not completely, because I almost died in a foster home that shouldn't have had kids placed in it. I know not all foster homes are bad, but I know a lot of people who were in the system at some point and none of them had a positive experience, many have disturbing stories of their own.
@@laurahornick9827 It really is. I got extremely lucky and was adopted by amazing people, but they had to undo all the damage my foster home had done. They didn't get to enjoy their new daughter because they were constantly worried about me. It's awful
It's not so much that it's "broken" -- but rather that so few people are willing to be foster parents. So the pool of candidates the gov't has to work with is really small. Fostering kids really needs to become more normalized.
@@thatwasweird954 The people who foster kids multiple times should be checked every time a new one is placed with them. I was my foster parents last because they were too old to care for a child, especially one with my circumstances (mother did illegal substances for most of her pregnancy, didn't take care of herself or get angry kind of medical care, I was very small and fragile medically speaking) but they had fostered a child before so I got placed with them without a second thought even though it had been years since their last foster kid and they always had older kids. I just feel like it wasn't thought through when I was placed there. I know it's not easy to find someone to foster a kid, but I also feel like some important things were overlooked in my case. Plus, they check out potential fosters so much the first time, why don't they ever do it again? Shouldn't there be some kind of renewal period or something? Things can change.
Paroling psychopathic sadists is about as stupid as humanity gets. And when we hear the words "It's unknown if so-and-so was paroled", that means they have definitely been paroled.
CPS comes in 2 flavors: "This drug addict with a long history of child abuse and neglect deserves a 47th chance because they are the biological parent." and "I see this child from a loving home with a competent parent who has no criminal past has a small, easily explainable bruise....let's take them away."
I knew someone that was going into social work and her professor told the class "if you want to help kids then don't go work for DHS" they knew the game that they play having worked there for years and she told me some things they would tell the class and you wouldn't even believe it. That they purposely don't take the abused kids because adopting them out is harder and they want that money. That's why you hear stories about parents where we are highly confused as to why kids are taken. Because they aren't "damaged" goods. Obviously, that's one person's opinion and not all workers are about that life. They did say that the good workers would get pushed out constantly for not wanting to be part of it.
Oh my God! Tyrones my cousin by adoption, I knew he was in prison, but never knew the facts of it. You're the first ever to cover this case that I've found...
@@christinadodd5780 he is as far as we know. Canada's justice system will allow him to become eligible for parole, but he would be extremely unlikely to ever actually be paroled due to his psychopathy, just assessed and denied every 5 years. The legal system here is ridiculous, we don't have life sentences. Everyone is eligible for parole eventually, but if they have no remorse and are likely to reoffend they are denied release.
The second story makes me so mad,,, let's not let a mother marry a convicted burglar but let's let the child go stay with a murderer. Cps or whatever it's called is a total joke
The Logan case is so tragic. I’m not surprised at all that CPS would do this. I believe CPS in our country is disgustingly flawed! Here’s just another example…
The UK and Australia have extremely flawed foster care as well. There are many cases like this one. It is not exclusively the U.S. as every wants to believe.
That second story really hurt because it is just about every single mothers nightmare and that is speaking from experience beaurocrats with a power complex are scary as hell.
And it all started because of her mother's need to control her. Her mother made that first false report to try and manipulate the system and it backfired on her. If Chrissy had only stayed away from her mother, who was the cause of all her problems from the start, her daughter might still be alive.
I have never been in a situation where child services wanted to take away my daughter but my so called mother is a narcissistic human being who wanted to take my daughter away from me. At some level I related to Christy… RIP
Borglund kid probably had attachment issues from the beginning, considering he was given up for adoption at such a young age. Those formative years are crucial. The former foster dad stated that he was a completely normal kid up until his adoptive mother left and cut contact with him.
I live in Maine and I will say, the system here is absolutely HORRIFIC. I know from my own family experiences. DHHS Was called on my family SO MANY TIMES and I was never aloud to talk to the case workers alone. So I was continued to be abused and couldn’t speak to them while my mother was there. They’ve probably been called AT LEAST 20 times in my life in my family. And they’ve never done anything. And now my baby sister is going through the same abuse, and I MYSELF have called and nothings been done. My mother is a drug addict, and her father is a registered sex offender for life. She’s aloud alone with him and my mother. The system is so incredibly horrific and I’ve done everything I possibly could for my sister. I don’t know what to do anymore. I report and report and report and nothing is ever done. It’s heart shattering. I go to bed every night sick with worry just wishing I could take her myself and raise her. F the Maine system. Thanks for failing me and my sister, I blame you and will never forgive you for the abuse she’s going through. You had the choice to help me and help us and you never did. You’ve failed. And we’re the ones to suffer because of it. Now we’re both horrifically abused and my mother has even drugged my sister with melatonin by putting it in her milk to calm down. She used to give me PERCOCET. How could you let us suffer like that?? Why????
I honestly feel sorry for the girl in the first story. She had no chance from the beginning and then she was being groomed by her foster father. Who Gas lighted her into killing her foster mom.... That's so messed up.
I’m a foster only mom. I’d also love to adopt but I’m single and 53 years old. Lol. So I’m happy to just foster and then let them move on to wherever they need to go next.
@@kadenhiggins9338, one of the dumbest rules. If you're able to take care of them , I don't see a problem. Children need and want love, and if a single person is willing to take care of them, let them. IMO
@@Anna-Rose- it’s not a rule. It’s my choice. I could adopt if I wanted to. Single ppl adopt all the time. I’m just happy fostering. I don’t want to raise children again. I like giving them a home while they need one and then letting them either go back home or to an adoptive home. (Edited to add: I can see why you might have thought I might have thought I wanted to adopt bc I did say “I’d also love to adopt”. But I probably shouldn’t have said it like that. What I meant was I fall in love with each and every child that comes through here and at the time think with my heart how great it’d be to adopt. But then my head kicks in a says “you’re single, 53 and you’ll be in your 60’s when they graduate high school.” I currently have a 10 month old so I’d be 71 when he graduated high school if I adopted him. Plus, if I adopted then that keeps me from fostering more children. For me personally I can only handle 2 at a time so if I adopt one then I can still foster one but if I adopt 2 then I can no longer foster. My heart is really in fostering. I hope that makes sense!)
Currently fostering and I’m absolutely appalled!! Why go into fostering if you don’t have the patience or morals to deal with children. (Not talking about the last case of course. But I wonder how often that happens?)
@Mrs Blume you’re right. I actually said this exact same thing on another video!! Lol. I’m surprised I even made this statement!🤦🏼♀️. There’s really not a lot of money to be made in fostering though. I get $27/day! Yippee!!
Born in Maine and having never left, I definitely recall the 2nd case. It has always bothered me. The system really messed up. Thank you, though for including this one. Maine really doesn't get a whole lot of attention (good or bad).
Aw .. yeah, unfortunately I don’t have any of my own, but I love my niece more than anything in this world, so it makes any stories about child abuse and/or child predators extremely hard to listen to or understand. I just can’t fathom how anyone can hurt a child or prey on them in such disgusting, despicable ways. It’s a sick world we live in. Child abusers and predators should be immediately executed in my personal opinion. There’s no way to redeem such people, sorry but there just isn’t. But yeah, I hope you and your son are well. Be safe.
Yeah certain topics can be difficult to watch or listen to but there's something about peering into the darkest sides of humanity that I find intriguing. I usually draw the line when it comes to stuff like graphic torture though.
If you do another foster care video, you need to do the monster Jennifer Rosenbaum who was found guilty of 2nd degree murder in the death of 2 yr old Laila Daniel
@14:45 it's not a bad sign that the girls misbehaved after access visits. I'd say it's a sign they wanted to be with their mum. It might be a red flag if after visits the children were unnaturally quiet and well behaved (meaning they wanted to be "good" for the foster family) Many who've had kids who have shared custody, or weekend access visits know their children will be troubled the night they come home. And it's not because their ex-partner fed the kids masses of sugar!
Really looking forward to watching this one. I've been trying to get another one of my other fav TH-cam channels to do a video on foster homes gone wrong for months now. I grew up in one and was later adopted by the couple who ended up being very cruel and abusive... I haven't gone through this video yet but I'm sure I didn't go through what these kids in this video has.. but I could tell some twisted things myself, my 2 sisters & other foster kids who came into the home went through plus what some of our friends went through in another foster home in the same small town as us that has a total of 200 population if that. More light needs to be shed on these situations. Of course not all foster homes are bad.. theres good and bad just like with everything else. But most of these situations get ignored and no one wants to believe a foster parents can do intentional harm because they're looked at as such great people for taking in kids, who are most likely troubled, have bad childhoods or unwanted by others. But most of these people only get into foster care for ill intentions!!!
Just in case anyone is interested in further information about case #2, there was massive amounts of actual pertinent information about this entire case. Look up the names of the “foster parent” that murdered that little girl. Or her mommy’s name. You will find so much more information. It may make your blood boil though. So much left unsaid. This is one that should have had its own episode.
Can someone please explain to me why Sally was charged for manslaughter and not first degree murder???????? That evil woman duck tape that poor child to a highchair because she was acting up. Why did she ever work with children???? It's not right!!! I believe she got a lesser sentence because of the type of job she had. I hope Christy sued DHS!!!
The Logan girl and the social worker first came to my attention many years ago on FRONTLINE although I remember the story a little different I remember that it started with a knock at the door and Logan’s mom answering to find a social worker and ended with Logan’s mom going to the cemetery after child protective services restored full custody of the other child and closed the case this story is absolutely disgusting and heartbreaking
When has CPS/FCS etc ever done anything right?! Seems like these agencies are always negligent in some way. There's GOT TO BE a positive outcome story somewhere
I have a cousin who went into foster care then adopted by the family. She gained a wonderful family, got a good education, great job, etc.. It happens sometimes, but mostly the kids end up in a place just as bad as home.
And I’ve noticed that more often than not, they take kids out of homes they shouldn’t and leave kids in homes that they shouldn’t. In upstate NY it takes an insane amount of abuse for a child to be taken. And the house can be vile but as long as they have a been that’s reasonably clean then it’s okay.
My grandparents were fosterparents. They were given custody of children who had parents with background issues that weren´t made clear to my grandparents. They often had horrid emotional issues and required a lot of stability. But here´s the catch: as soon as these kids started to feel secure, attatch to my grandparents, and improve, they were taken away WITH OUT WARNING. Why? because children in the system had to, in the words of the social case worker, get used to being moved around and that it was a bad idea to get attatched to one family. Now, this has changed, but the attitude and tone deafness is still rather prominent. There are case workers who are fantastic, and some branches are better than others, but the system has huge problems, and that´s not new.
As a social worker, around East St. Louis and Cahokia Belleville area. We’re on the other side of the river of St. Louis…the stories I hear alone are mind blowing. I work w foster parents. I find children homes placed in the system…Foster parents are earth angels and I’m not religious, but believe this. I have so so much respect for them. Nobody hears half the stories they put on media. Bless them and the children that slip through the cracks.
But sadly, in my area, cys is so corrupt. Its so sad. Look it up. Luzerne county pennsylvania. We have nothing but corruption here and kids being stolen every day.
@@laurahornick9827 uhhh I understand I live in Illinois. Look up DcFS Illinois. They have all kinds of issues going on right now however foster parents are childrens saving grace. They would all be in residential. We surely don’t want that. There’s bad apples but humans are sometimes bad apples. Foster parents do not get paid as much as one may think. Not for what they go through w these kids. Ugh.
Glad you have a great foster care system. I've heard a few good stories here but most are nightmares. The little boy I'm raising now was molested in a foster home. Do you know what they did? Nothing. Why was he in foster care? They were packing to move and they said the house was a mess.
@@bobbierobinson6269 no the amount of what birth parents do to their own children is sickening, again not all of them. In fact it’s rare where I hear a foster parents has don’t something and I have to do an investigation. The amount of kids that come into care and bounce from one house to the other, these families open up their lives to take kids in that have severe issues themselves. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but it’s not compared to what these birth parents do.
@@Melicious8675 I'll agree on sometimes, but around here they will leave them in the care of parents if they are just beat, but you better not have two kids sleeping on a pallet. I actually took a child my mom was babysitting to the dhs office with bruises from his neck to his ankles. He was 5 and tiny. His step-dad did that. They left a note on their door saying they would be back to investigate.. nothing. They didn't even go back.
When I was 6 me and my twin was placed in a home where the woman’s oldest daughter use to bully us, and the woman was going through a divorce so she took her frustrations out on me and my sister, I remember one incident where she locked us in a shed at night … soon after that we was taken out of her home… I hated her
The sad part of Kristy’s story is that it was her own mom that called DHS on her and they pretty much screwed her over from there. This is a very sad story. She was a good mom.
My ex called cps on his own daughter. Their new "uncle" is a convicted murderer who talked his high school friend into killing his own mom, while he watched and gloated. He's out of prison and spends a lot of time with my vulnerable granddaughters. He still has a dark murder obsession.
I love how DHS intervened to make the situation…even worse for all parties involved. Their mother made terrible choices on her own, but I hoped they sued DHS?
After just three months training these department of children people can remove your kids and put them in a foster home which they get bonuses for each kid they place
I live in Maine and our DHS has always sucked. Especially last year, it was brought to attention that there were many foster-related child deaths in the state of Maine.
My parents took in foster kids when I was very young and they were all mentally unbalanced. Luckily my parents figured it out and stopped. Though nothing really bad happened they would pick fights, yell a lot and throw temper tantrums if they had to follow the rules and it was like that most days. Not fun.
Yeah it seems a bit irresponsible to take in Foster kids if you already have young children. While many foster kids are good kids, you always run the risk of introducing a poorly adjusted and/or abused child into the home who may act out in harmful ways. My aunt and uncle did the same and had to stop when they discovered their young daughter was being physically and emotionally abused by two sisters in their care. Some kids have just seen too much in their young lives and develop a cruel streak.
I've always said that, when you have children of your own already, it's definitely a gamble to take in foster children. While I'm sure that most foster children are decent children, some have deep seeded emotional and physical issues related to past abuses by the people in their lives who SHOULD have had their best interests at heart. And, unfortunately, their history of mental and physical abuse, and it's effects, can certainly impact the foster parent's biological children in MANY negative ways. So, I definitely wouldn't risk bringing foster children into my home until my own children were grown, and maybe not even then. That's sad to say, but the reality of it all is pretty evident in all of these cases and many more.
It’s definitely better when you don’t have your own kids unless they’re infant-toddler ages . There was a foster kid in my city that killed his foster brother & put himself in a suitcase in a park a few years, But I do know people that never had issues with their birth kids & foster kids.
Determining who someone is allowed to associate with and using their power to rescind parental custody is about as much of an abuse of power as there is. It feels like an extortion and is disgusting. I totally understand DHS wanting to protect the child by distancing them from crime, but these weren't abusers...much less, abusers of children.
The second story is by far the state overreaching their boundaries. That whole situation was beyond messed up and those kids should have been with their mother.
Decides if you're a good parent and take your child away murder is that little girl I don't even think I can watch the rest of this no one should have them much power to take someone's babies away
This reminds me of the Harmony Montgomery case. Her biological mother was trying to get sober and fight her drug addiction. So they gave her ex-husband and his POS drug addict girlfriend sole custody of her. She was reported missing 2 years ago by her biological mother. But since the husband had a friend who worked for DCF he SAW TO IT that they (DCF) DELIBERATELY ran her around in circles and "red tape." Thus NO ONE DID A WELFARE check on this child. Needless to say court tv DID continually report on this case until they finally arrested both her father and his girlfriend but was only willing to give her a plea deal for a lesser sentence provided she give investigators the location of harmony's body, but she has unfortunately remained silent.
I was in foster care 8 years mid 60's to early 70's. It was horrible then. Seems not much as changed. Taking children away from their home and placing them in homes of abusers and map. Those are years you never fully recover from. I guess the one good thing is I'm from the era of knowing I'm a strong survivor instead of the present forever victim.
My daughter lost her visits with her kids because they would scream and cry at the end. It was inconvenient for the social worker and foster mom. One got a broken arm in foster care. Not only was the incident not investigated but the foster mom was allowed to adopt them and receives monthly ASFA funds even though she makes a lot of money, more than the average person.
@@maddisonbythesea3015 Yeah, sorry, but I don’t think any group that duct tapes childrens’ heads until they asphyxiate should be allowed to make that decision.
@@maddisonbythesea3015 did you watch the video at all? The mom got DHS involved for no reason, DHS even said they found nothing, but still made Kristy go through with nonsense!
My ex husband has a sister addicted to drugs, she lost her kids to the system and the foster dad molested those kids. It's crazy how foster care really doesn't check up on those kids once they're placed. They got moved to another family until his mom went and got custody. The man that molested those kids never went to jail but they did lose the ability to foster kids. As if that was enough. SMH.
Ugh, stories like that has my blood boiling. No justice for the victim at all
My daughter's half-sister (same father) visited my daughter for an afternoon two years ago and abandoned her 10 year old daughter there. She said "I'm going out for a smoke." and she bolted. My daughter went to the Ministry Of Children And Families to get custody of her and they wanted to put her in a foster home, which was ridiculous. They finally gave my daughter custody and then told her that the girl's father and another family member had molested her, but they still had to allow him telephone access to her until he was found guilty in court. We were all just stunned that they would force this girl to speak to the man who abused her so badly. The way the various governments treat these poor kids is disgusting.
I went to school with two sisters, one who I'm still in contact with who was in my grade and her older sister who was in the autism spectrum, who was a year older than me. The foster mom already had like 5 or 6 kids who all treated my friend and her sister horribly. The mom made my friend keep her hair cut short because when it got long she "looked like a sheepdog"- she was made to get a job at 15 and chip in with the bills while her bio kids didn't have to, she was never allowed to go to social events. And her autistic sister... I'm also still in contact with her. Her story is so sad. The foster mom wasn't married but she had a variety of boyfriends. And the older sister would come to school and gain some weight, then be out of school for a few weeks, then come back...would happen about twice a year for about 5 or 6 years.
The foster mom's boyfriends would rape her, she'd get pregnant, and then she was taken to get abortions when she would start showing. It was a big scandal in our community once it came out yet nothing was really done about it. It still makes my stomach turn.
And the foster mom was supposed to be pious woman of the church who was a do-gooder.
Unfortunately it happens all the time! There is such a desperate need for good foster parents. Too many do it for the wrong reasons, money, abuse, the list goes on. It breaks my heart:(
@@fruithippie those are the worst ones!! I’ve been in a home almost identical to that situation. I’m native and she cut my waist length hair to look like a buzz cut.. but all the while she was abusing us, she put off like some savior.
There's so much more info on that first case about sabrina. She had been groomed by her foster dad the entire time and was telling her that he was being abused by his wife. He turned her against the foster mom and was promising that she wouldn't get in trouble for killing her so then they could be together with the kids. Abrina eventually told him no she couldn't do it that's why he threatened the suicide. Once sabrina was arrested it took her about a year before she realized that her foster dad had played her and he wasn't coming for her. When she found out he was living a life of leisure off of his wife's insurance money that's when she told the entire story.
poor kid. Due to the trauma done to her by her parents she was in a perfect mental state to be groomed...
That second story, just wow! Christie got shafted at every turn. Poor woman, her children should have never been taken away from her and if they hadn’t been, the older one wouldn’t have been killed.
Yes they should have. She was completely unfit. Marrying career criminals. Getting in fights in front of her. She was a horrible mother.
@@TheRationalist. She was a saint compared to the cps worker, but keep loosing focus.
@@TheRationalist. that's what DHS said, but it's not necessarily true. Look at what they did to this family.
@@TheRationalist. DHS is very little in most cases but the injection of government tyranny into personal lives while most actual unfit mothers receive infinite second chances.
I mean what was Kristy doing that was so bad that the state thought is was a good idea to take her kids? Like DHS was all in her shit.
Every kid deserves parents. Not every foster parent deserves a child.
I feel like this is kinda obvious..but it's trying to be a really powerful thought provoking statement 😐
Not every biological parent deserves a child either.
@@maddisonbythesea3015 But the government definitely doesn’t deserve to be the one to make that decision.
This is so cliche. 😑
Even as a foster kid you have to learn life isn't all fair and you have to learn to make do with what you can get and make the most of it.
That second case breaks my heart. Poor Christie and sweet Logan.
christie is gone too....she passe from cancer a few years ago...its in my state
Also the Turpins who horrendously abused all their kids to the point where they we're malnourished leading to the parents getting arrested. Some of the kids got adopted to abusive parents and the adopted father sexually assaulted one of the girls. It's a sad story, the kids survived abuse from they're biological parents just to be abused again by the foster parents.
I can’t imagine how much they went through. They don’t deserve any of that.
How did this come to be known? Those poor kids. They're gonna have issues as adults & the world is far less forgiving. ☹
@@HeyIwasaValedictorian One of the girls got out and went to a neighbors house for help if I remember correctly.
On the other side of things I believe in the UK a child's past history isn't revealed to foster parents which could end up being a nightmare waiting to happen, but rarely.
@@marklittler784 the Turpin Family is from the U.S.
The Logan case is an example of how DHS values money over families. Also the first foster mom slapped her and threw her on a bed while choking her… After than the agent denied her families request for sheltering and placed her with Sally.
From a post on FB by a nephew of the family: "Eric was granted full parole in early 2020. Full parole has been revoked as he is still considered “moderate risk to reoffend”..." Though not a full parole, he was paroled just the same to a halfway house in Victoria.
The second story burns me up. The DHS over stepped their boundaries those kids should NEVER have been taken!!!!
This sadly sounds typical of DHS failing children constantly. I was a foster child and was put into an abusive foster home, I have zero faith in them. It’s taken me years to even speak about it.
I'm sorry. I hope your life is peaceful now.
My heart hurts for you. I hope you have found happiness now. ♥️
Nona Yabizness, I am terribly sorry that you endured such horrific childhood. I hope that find an outlet to help you deal with what happened to you. May you have the peace and happiness you deserve.
@@NatureLover-62 . Thank you very much for your kind words. Therapy is helping and moving near the National forest. I hike and mushroom hunt, there is nothing better than the beauty we have all around us to help clear your mind. Stay safe and enjoy your weekend.
Same. The first foster home I went to in particular at the age of 4 was…horrendous.
I hope you’re doing better lovely, you’re not alone, and you deserve everything in life, please remember that ♥️
Sad cases... especially the second one. Poor little Logan.
I don't trust the foster system, not completely, because I almost died in a foster home that shouldn't have had kids placed in it. I know not all foster homes are bad, but I know a lot of people who were in the system at some point and none of them had a positive experience, many have disturbing stories of their own.
The system is so broken. So terribly terribly broken.
@@laurahornick9827 It really is. I got extremely lucky and was adopted by amazing people, but they had to undo all the damage my foster home had done. They didn't get to enjoy their new daughter because they were constantly worried about me. It's awful
Many have terrible experiences with their biological family too. Fact is a lot of people are just sick and evil.
It's not so much that it's "broken" -- but rather that so few people are willing to be foster parents. So the pool of candidates the gov't has to work with is really small. Fostering kids really needs to become more normalized.
@@thatwasweird954 The people who foster kids multiple times should be checked every time a new one is placed with them. I was my foster parents last because they were too old to care for a child, especially one with my circumstances (mother did illegal substances for most of her pregnancy, didn't take care of herself or get angry kind of medical care, I was very small and fragile medically speaking) but they had fostered a child before so I got placed with them without a second thought even though it had been years since their last foster kid and they always had older kids. I just feel like it wasn't thought through when I was placed there. I know it's not easy to find someone to foster a kid, but I also feel like some important things were overlooked in my case. Plus, they check out potential fosters so much the first time, why don't they ever do it again? Shouldn't there be some kind of renewal period or something? Things can change.
Paroling psychopathic sadists is about as stupid as humanity gets.
And when we hear the words "It's unknown if so-and-so was paroled", that means they have definitely been paroled.
Only 14 years for killing a child? What a joke.
CPS comes in 2 flavors:
"This drug addict with a long history of child abuse and neglect deserves a 47th chance because they are the biological parent."
and
"I see this child from a loving home with a competent parent who has no criminal past has a small, easily explainable bruise....let's take them away."
I knew someone that was going into social work and her professor told the class "if you want to help kids then don't go work for DHS" they knew the game that they play having worked there for years and she told me some things they would tell the class and you wouldn't even believe it. That they purposely don't take the abused kids because adopting them out is harder and they want that money. That's why you hear stories about parents where we are highly confused as to why kids are taken. Because they aren't "damaged" goods. Obviously, that's one person's opinion and not all workers are about that life. They did say that the good workers would get pushed out constantly for not wanting to be part of it.
@@katiek3396 I could well believe that!
Yep happened to me
Oh my God! Tyrones my cousin by adoption, I knew he was in prison, but never knew the facts of it. You're the first ever to cover this case that I've found...
Do you know if he's still in prison?
@@christinadodd5780 he is as far as we know. Canada's justice system will allow him to become eligible for parole, but he would be extremely unlikely to ever actually be paroled due to his psychopathy, just assessed and denied every 5 years. The legal system here is ridiculous, we don't have life sentences. Everyone is eligible for parole eventually, but if they have no remorse and are likely to reoffend they are denied release.
The second story makes me so mad,,, let's not let a mother marry a convicted burglar but let's let the child go stay with a murderer. Cps or whatever it's called is a total joke
The Logan case is so tragic. I’m not surprised at all that CPS would do this. I believe CPS in our country is disgustingly flawed! Here’s just another example…
Isn't just your country. I am from Aotearoa. Oranga Tamariki is an organization of psychopaths.
The UK and Australia have extremely flawed foster care as well. There are many cases like this one.
It is not exclusively the U.S. as every wants to believe.
That second story really hurt because it is just about every single mothers nightmare and that is speaking from experience beaurocrats with a power complex are scary as hell.
And it all started because of her mother's need to control her. Her mother made that first false report to try and manipulate the system and it backfired on her. If Chrissy had only stayed away from her mother, who was the cause of all her problems from the start, her daughter might still be alive.
I have never been in a situation where child services wanted to take away my daughter but my so called mother is a narcissistic human being who wanted to take my daughter away from me. At some level I related to Christy… RIP
OR, you could raise children in committed relationship.
My great aunt, aka mom saved me from abusive parents and from becoming a possible orphan. She passed in 2014. Still grateful for her
Borglund kid probably had attachment issues from the beginning, considering he was given up for adoption at such a young age. Those formative years are crucial. The former foster dad stated that he was a completely normal kid up until his adoptive mother left and cut contact with him.
These are all so wretched and ghastly! So, so awful. Cheers for bringing the foster system into the light.
#2-how messed up is that when the foster home kills your child cuz they say the parent isn't fit?!?! Happens too many times!! 🤬🤬
I live in Maine and I will say, the system here is absolutely HORRIFIC. I know from my own family experiences. DHHS Was called on my family SO MANY TIMES and I was never aloud to talk to the case workers alone. So I was continued to be abused and couldn’t speak to them while my mother was there. They’ve probably been called AT LEAST 20 times in my life in my family. And they’ve never done anything. And now my baby sister is going through the same abuse, and I MYSELF have called and nothings been done. My mother is a drug addict, and her father is a registered sex offender for life. She’s aloud alone with him and my mother.
The system is so incredibly horrific and I’ve done everything I possibly could for my sister. I don’t know what to do anymore. I report and report and report and nothing is ever done.
It’s heart shattering. I go to bed every night sick with worry just wishing I could take her myself and raise her.
F the Maine system.
Thanks for failing me and my sister, I blame you and will never forgive you for the abuse she’s going through. You had the choice to help me and help us and you never did. You’ve failed. And we’re the ones to suffer because of it.
Now we’re both horrifically abused and my mother has even drugged my sister with melatonin by putting it in her milk to calm down. She used to give me PERCOCET.
How could you let us suffer like that?? Why????
I honestly feel sorry for the girl in the first story. She had no chance from the beginning and then she was being groomed by her foster father. Who Gas lighted her into killing her foster mom.... That's so messed up.
I will always love this background music. So X-Files and Outer Limits, Twilight Zone like.
My daughter is a foster mom and she absolutely loves it and would love to adopt them all 💗
I’m a foster only mom. I’d also love to adopt but I’m single and 53 years old. Lol. So I’m happy to just foster and then let them move on to wherever they need to go next.
@@kadenhiggins9338, one of the dumbest rules. If you're able to take care of them , I don't see a problem. Children need and want love, and if a single person is willing to take care of them, let them.
IMO
@@Anna-Rose- it’s not a rule. It’s my choice. I could adopt if I wanted to. Single ppl adopt all the time. I’m just happy fostering. I don’t want to raise children again. I like giving them a home while they need one and then letting them either go back home or to an adoptive home. (Edited to add: I can see why you might have thought I might have thought I wanted to adopt bc I did say “I’d also love to adopt”. But I probably shouldn’t have said it like that. What I meant was I fall in love with each and every child that comes through here and at the time think with my heart how great it’d be to adopt. But then my head kicks in a says “you’re single, 53 and you’ll be in your 60’s when they graduate high school.” I currently have a 10 month old so I’d be 71 when he graduated high school if I adopted him. Plus, if I adopted then that keeps me from fostering more children. For me personally I can only handle 2 at a time so if I adopt one then I can still foster one but if I adopt 2 then I can no longer foster. My heart is really in fostering. I hope that makes sense!)
@@trumpwon8064 🤣🤣🤣 I'm dying 😂😂 your crazy
@@Anna-Rose- it's about what's best for the child, being in contact with family is core. Foster parents do such a vital job
Imagine hacking 4 people to death just because you were told you couldn't watch tv.
Those kids were just reptile-brained idiots with no impulse control
@@trumpwon8064 yeah if it was breaking bad i would have been sharpening my tools...no mercy
And only getting 25 years for all 4.
Currently fostering and I’m absolutely appalled!! Why go into fostering if you don’t have the patience or morals to deal with children. (Not talking about the last case of course. But I wonder how often that happens?)
@Mrs Blume you’re right. I actually said this exact same thing on another video!! Lol. I’m surprised I even made this statement!🤦🏼♀️. There’s really not a lot of money to be made in fostering though. I get $27/day! Yippee!!
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Born in Maine and having never left, I definitely recall the 2nd case. It has always bothered me. The system really messed up. Thank you, though for including this one. Maine really doesn't get a whole lot of attention (good or bad).
I give Maine attention every 12mths. John Connolly has a wonderful book series set in your fascinating state.
@@bobbierobinson6269 I will have to look into that. Thank you again, even tho I know the subject matter wasn't one of the more positive
After I had my son three years ago I couldn’t listen to these videos anymore. Glad to be back! 😩
Aw .. yeah, unfortunately I don’t have any of my own, but I love my niece more than anything in this world, so it makes any stories about child abuse and/or child predators extremely hard to listen to or understand. I just can’t fathom how anyone can hurt a child or prey on them in such disgusting, despicable ways. It’s a sick world we live in. Child abusers and predators should be immediately executed in my personal opinion. There’s no way to redeem such people, sorry but there just isn’t. But yeah, I hope you and your son are well. Be safe.
It is hard for me to watch these videos too ever since having my babies starting early 2020
you've missed a whole bunch of content then
Yeah certain topics can be difficult to watch or listen to but there's something about peering into the darkest sides of humanity that I find intriguing. I usually draw the line when it comes to stuff like graphic torture though.
I love Criminally Listed!! This was a hard watch. It amazes me to see how evil some people can be. I guess I live in a small world.
If you do another foster care video, you need to do the monster Jennifer Rosenbaum who was found guilty of 2nd degree murder in the death of 2 yr old Laila Daniel
Jennifer was found guilty of felony malice murder. She received life + 40 years. Her husband, Jacob, was found guilty of second degree murder.
We need more of these Criminally Listed videos! These are so well done and it seems as most of the stories are almost exclusive to this channel.
@14:45 it's not a bad sign that the girls misbehaved after access visits. I'd say it's a sign they wanted to be with their mum. It might be a red flag if after visits the children were unnaturally quiet and well behaved (meaning they wanted to be "good" for the foster family)
Many who've had kids who have shared custody, or weekend access visits know their children will be troubled the night they come home. And it's not because their ex-partner fed the kids masses of sugar!
Really looking forward to watching this one. I've been trying to get another one of my other fav TH-cam channels to do a video on foster homes gone wrong for months now. I grew up in one and was later adopted by the couple who ended up being very cruel and abusive... I haven't gone through this video yet but I'm sure I didn't go through what these kids in this video has.. but I could tell some twisted things myself, my 2 sisters & other foster kids who came into the home went through plus what some of our friends went through in another foster home in the same small town as us that has a total of 200 population if that. More light needs to be shed on these situations. Of course not all foster homes are bad.. theres good and bad just like with everything else. But most of these situations get ignored and no one wants to believe a foster parents can do intentional harm because they're looked at as such great people for taking in kids, who are most likely troubled, have bad childhoods or unwanted by others. But most of these people only get into foster care for ill intentions!!!
Just in case anyone is interested in further information about case #2, there was massive amounts of actual pertinent information about this entire case. Look up the names of the “foster parent” that murdered that little girl. Or her mommy’s name. You will find so much more information. It may make your blood boil though. So much left unsaid. This is one that should have had its own episode.
I love Criminally Listed.
Thank you Criminally Listed
Love this channel & look forward to every new episode
Love the Become a Foster Parent ad presented to me upon watching this. NFJ. “If not you, then who?
Northern Rivers. Wild!
Thanks for this CL.
EXCELLENT video, thank you very much for all your hard work and research.
STOP ✋ having babies if you can’t give them a LIFE…
🧸 #CareforKids 🧸
It’s IMPORTANT to be there for kids! 🎈
FACTS
Been watching this channel for years and have completely enjoyed I would like to know his honest opinion on Kamiyah Mobley and Carlina White
Can someone please explain to me why Sally was charged for manslaughter and not first degree murder???????? That evil woman duck tape that poor child to a highchair because she was acting up. Why did she ever work with children???? It's not right!!! I believe she got a lesser sentence because of the type of job she had. I hope Christy sued DHS!!!
The fact she only served 14 years makes me so upset
Good evening CL family.
Alright something that I can really watch and relax and unwind
I have worked in foster care for almost 8 years of my 24 yr social work career. That middle story is beyond f^©ked up.
The Logan girl and the social worker first came to my attention many years ago on FRONTLINE although I remember the story a little different I remember that it started with a knock at the door and Logan’s mom answering to find a social worker and ended with Logan’s mom going to the cemetery after child protective services restored full custody of the other child and closed the case this story is absolutely disgusting and heartbreaking
Thank you for putting so much effort to being as thorough as possible with these videos. that is the main reason I subscribed to your channel.
When has CPS/FCS etc ever done anything right?! Seems like these agencies are always negligent in some way. There's GOT TO BE a positive outcome story somewhere
I have a cousin who went into foster care then adopted by the family. She gained a wonderful family, got a good education, great job, etc..
It happens sometimes, but mostly the kids end up in a place just as bad as home.
And I’ve noticed that more often than not, they take kids out of homes they shouldn’t and leave kids in homes that they shouldn’t. In upstate NY it takes an insane amount of abuse for a child to be taken. And the house can be vile but as long as they have a been that’s reasonably clean then it’s okay.
My grandparents were fosterparents. They were given custody of children who had parents with background issues that weren´t made clear to my grandparents. They often had horrid emotional issues and required a lot of stability. But here´s the catch: as soon as these kids started to feel secure, attatch to my grandparents, and improve, they were taken away WITH OUT WARNING. Why? because children in the system had to, in the words of the social case worker, get used to being moved around and that it was a bad idea to get attatched to one family. Now, this has changed, but the attitude and tone deafness is still rather prominent. There are case workers who are fantastic, and some branches are better than others, but the system has huge problems, and that´s not new.
As a social worker, around East St. Louis and Cahokia Belleville area. We’re on the other side of the river of St. Louis…the stories I hear alone are mind blowing. I work w foster parents. I find children homes placed in the system…Foster parents are earth angels and I’m not religious, but believe this. I have so so much respect for them. Nobody hears half the stories they put on media. Bless them and the children that slip through the cracks.
But sadly, in my area, cys is so corrupt. Its so sad. Look it up. Luzerne county pennsylvania. We have nothing but corruption here and kids being stolen every day.
@@laurahornick9827 uhhh I understand I live in Illinois. Look up DcFS Illinois. They have all kinds of issues going on right now however foster parents are childrens saving grace. They would all be in residential. We surely don’t want that. There’s bad apples but humans are sometimes bad apples. Foster parents do not get paid as much as one may think. Not for what they go through w these kids. Ugh.
Glad you have a great foster care system. I've heard a few good stories here but most are nightmares.
The little boy I'm raising now was molested in a foster home. Do you know what they did? Nothing.
Why was he in foster care?
They were packing to move and they said the house was a mess.
@@bobbierobinson6269 no the amount of what birth parents do to their own children is sickening, again not all of them. In fact it’s rare where I hear a foster parents has don’t something and I have to do an investigation. The amount of kids that come into care and bounce from one house to the other, these families open up their lives to take kids in that have severe issues themselves. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but it’s not compared to what these birth parents do.
@@Melicious8675 I'll agree on sometimes, but around here they will leave them in the care of parents if they are just beat, but you better not have two kids sleeping on a pallet.
I actually took a child my mom was babysitting to the dhs office with bruises from his neck to his ankles. He was 5 and tiny. His step-dad did that. They left a note on their door saying they would be back to investigate.. nothing. They didn't even go back.
Absolutely love this channel!
A trio of mayhem and injustice. Well done. These are puzzles that unfortunately weren't solved until it was too late. Concerning. Thanks Rob!
Kool just in time to listen in! Thank you for the research and wonderful work 👏.
Great episode CL!!!! THANKS!!!
When I was 6 me and my twin was placed in a home where the woman’s oldest daughter use to bully us, and the woman was going through a divorce so she took her frustrations out on me and my sister, I remember one incident where she locked us in a shed at night … soon after that we was taken out of her home… I hated her
The sad part of Kristy’s story is that it was her own mom that called DHS on her and they pretty much screwed her over from there. This is a very sad story. She was a good mom.
My ex called cps on his own daughter. Their new "uncle" is a convicted murderer who talked his high school friend into killing his own mom, while he watched and gloated. He's out of prison and spends a lot of time with my vulnerable granddaughters. He still has a dark murder obsession.
The last two are out on parole. I believe one is at a halfway house and the other is wherever he wants to be.
What kind of justice is that?
I love how DHS intervened to make the situation…even worse for all parties involved. Their mother made terrible choices on her own, but I hoped they sued DHS?
bless this channel for the content it uploads.
This one was very heart breaking.
I’ve never heard these cases before though. Nice work 👍
After just three months training these department of children people can remove your kids and put them in a foster home which they get bonuses for each kid they place
They don't get bonuses 🙄
I live in Maine and our DHS has always sucked. Especially last year, it was brought to attention that there were many foster-related child deaths in the state of Maine.
Picture for the first one comes up:"Hey that almost looks like downtown"
Narrator: oh but it is
My parents took in foster kids when I was very young and they were all mentally unbalanced. Luckily my parents figured it out and stopped. Though nothing really bad happened they would pick fights, yell a lot and throw temper tantrums if they had to follow the rules and it was like that most days. Not fun.
Yeah it seems a bit irresponsible to take in Foster kids if you already have young children. While many foster kids are good kids, you always run the risk of introducing a poorly adjusted and/or abused child into the home who may act out in harmful ways. My aunt and uncle did the same and had to stop when they discovered their young daughter was being physically and emotionally abused by two sisters in their care. Some kids have just seen too much in their young lives and develop a cruel streak.
I've always said that, when you have children of your own already, it's definitely a gamble to take in foster children.
While I'm sure that most foster children are decent children, some have deep seeded emotional and physical issues related to past abuses by the people in their lives who SHOULD have had their best interests at heart.
And, unfortunately, their history of mental and physical abuse, and it's effects, can certainly impact the foster parent's biological children in MANY negative ways.
So, I definitely wouldn't risk bringing foster children into my home until my own children were grown, and maybe not even then.
That's sad to say, but the reality of it all is pretty evident in all of these cases and many more.
It’s definitely better when you don’t have your own kids unless they’re infant-toddler ages . There was a foster kid in my city that killed his foster brother & put himself in a suitcase in a park a few years, But I do know people that never had issues with their birth kids & foster kids.
thanks for always creating the best content!!!
Excellent timing Rob, thank you 💛🧡👍
Great video as always 😍😍😍😍
Just got home from work. Saw this gem pop up great way to unwind thank you criminally listed
Amazing as always
Truly heartbreaking cases.
I remember the first story. It was truly awful.
Me too. She's housed 9 miles from my home now.
This is about kids killing their step parents. Next, you can do one vice versa (a la the Hart Family).
Thanks and great work as always.
I don't know how people can be so cruel to children.
Determining who someone is allowed to associate with and using their power to rescind parental custody is about as much of an abuse of power as there is. It feels like an extortion and is disgusting.
I totally understand DHS wanting to protect the child by distancing them from crime, but these weren't abusers...much less, abusers of children.
That second story, poor girl and mom.
This really is my favorite true crime YT channel
Relevant, factual, historical, educational.. everything! I’ll be watching the stranger things episode
The second story is by far the state overreaching their boundaries. That whole situation was beyond messed up and those kids should have been with their mother.
Decides if you're a good parent and take your child away murder is that little girl I don't even think I can watch the rest of this no one should have them much power to take someone's babies away
This reminds me of the Harmony Montgomery case. Her biological mother was trying to get sober and fight her drug addiction. So they gave her ex-husband and his POS drug addict girlfriend sole custody of her. She was reported missing 2 years ago by her biological mother. But since the husband had a friend who worked for DCF he SAW TO IT that they (DCF) DELIBERATELY ran her around in circles and "red tape." Thus NO ONE DID A WELFARE check on this child. Needless to say court tv DID continually report on this case until they finally arrested both her father and his girlfriend but was only willing to give her a plea deal for a lesser sentence provided she give investigators the location of harmony's body, but she has unfortunately remained silent.
The first one. She was 19? I thought at 18 they were out of foster care? So why was she even still there
Best channel out there,besides, Into the killing,pronamally listed, and dark chapter 😁
I was in foster care 8 years mid 60's to early 70's. It was horrible then. Seems not much as changed. Taking children away from their home and placing them in homes of abusers and map. Those are years you never fully recover from. I guess the one good thing is I'm from the era of knowing I'm a strong survivor instead of the present forever victim.
This is an Excellent channel!
My daughter lost her visits with her kids because they would scream and cry at the end. It was inconvenient for the social worker and foster mom. One got a broken arm in foster care. Not only was the incident not investigated but the foster mom was allowed to adopt them and receives monthly ASFA funds even though she makes a lot of money, more than the average person.
i was in the system twice in the state of maines department of human services in the 1980's nothings changed, only gotten worse case in point and more
It scares me how corrupt and broken the system is.
awesome channel, always good stories
2:08 - #3 Sabrina Zunich
7:41 - #2 Sally Schofield
18:53 - #1 Tyrone Borglund
Love your stories thanks so much
Gezz i hope someone is keeping track of the last two guys.
jesus that second one.... how those kids suffered especially logan....u can just tell sally is evil when u look at her
Mission bc is my hometown! My mind is blown that I did not know this, although at the time I would have been two. Great video
Oreo?
Hah video* good catch 😅
@@tinaarmstrong9147 It's funny because I just bought some Oreos from T&T today. Richmond, BC here!
Why I am reminded of Hucklberry Hound listening to this channel.
Case #2 is just so infuriating.
Video starts at 2:09.
I love this channel...your narration is great. These people are monsters!!!
Thanks CL✌️😊
Anyone else don't like how DHS can make non-legal demands in order to keep your children?
Sorry but if you're a fit parent not making bad choices that may affect your child you won't have DHS involved to begin with.
@@maddisonbythesea3015 Yeah, sorry, but I don’t think any group that duct tapes childrens’ heads until they asphyxiate should be allowed to make that decision.
@@maddisonbythesea3015 did you watch the video at all? The mom got DHS involved for no reason, DHS even said they found nothing, but still made Kristy go through with nonsense!