Make Your Own Spool by Welding Your Gears! - Operation Cheap Jeep
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video we take the cheap jeep and do some redneck mods like welding the rear spider gears to the carrier and creating a redneck locker, welded diff, lincoln locker, or spool. It's basically a locker that is locked all the time. My choice for rear ends, wouldn't work so great for steering purposes on the front diff!
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My 88 bronco is on 18x39.5x15 boggers with 90 f350 axles. Both diffs are welded. 15 years later still no issues. No broken u joints. No cracks. All for a handful of 7018 rods. Nice thing about a welded or spooled diff is theres no hard engagement of the locker during wheel spin to break axles and u joints. If your 85 percent off rd 15 percent road to get from trail to trail this is a great way to go. But i drive my bronco to work daily and drive all over on 37x13.50x18 nitto mudgrapplers for street use. It squaks around corners pretty loud but i deal with it. And yes id TOTALLY drive from massey to B.C tomorrow if i had to. Its fine.
Ernie Desjardins my truck would leave a trail of rubber chunks when I would pull into a parking spot. Lol and I do mean chunks of rubber
I want to do my 96 Jeep Cherokee 2wd like that. My neighbor said when I have rear end locked it will be almost as good as a 4wd.
Everyone and their Mothers did this back in the 70,s to their limited slip,posi trac rearends in muslecars for street drag racing. Cheaper way to go and it works.
Can I just say, you’re the Mr. Rogers of the Jeep world. And I say that with the up most respect. Love your videos.
We used to weld spider gears back in the old days of racing.
Just go to a junk yard and get a Diff out of a 3/4 tone something. There usually posi trac.
Those welds can break and you'd be stranded. Think about it. We break teeth off hardened gears. Welds are never as good as hardened steel. So if teeth can break....welds can break easier. Some things you want to do right.
Make sure you connect the ground to the ring gear like he did. Don't connect to the housing. The current will travel through the bearings and pit them. You will be tearing back into it soon enough to change bearings. Don't ask me how I know...
TheKajunkat how do you know?
TheKajunkat makes a good point there
it is a great idea. the only part of the tooth to engage the pinion is the face.the back and tips could take a lot of damage before they caused any issues. regardless, if you have a good connection it won't arc and pit. the bearings have small gaps that the arc jumps and causes micro welds and pits.
BigDaddyDrew Hoe
Electric motors will have pitted bearings because of this issue.
One way to stop arcing your bearings that is add a grounding brush on the armature to the motor case.
Same deal here, depending on where the welder is grounded (on the case) its current path is thru the bearings.
Hugh G Wrection
Lol don’t clamp right on the teeth, anywhere on the pig would be fine.
Pull a ring gear bolt and add a metal tab for a ground , or if the cross pin bolt threaded in the case you could put one there too.
Noticed you moved your ground clamp from the axle case to the ring gear. Smart move. Could have easily toasted them bearings.
It was nice to hear mention of some of the old bleepin crew. I really miss those guys and it was sad when they just disappeared
I feel like an addict goin to the methodone clinic... gots ta getme some CHEEP JEEP!
One tip... add some rags and stuff on the inside of the case, you don't want slag to fly into the case, and not see it once you put it back together... :)
Cleaning off the diff tag is like a Jeep scratch ticket.
Great quickie just to have fun to go 4xing but I did the same thing on several Riggs and if you've drive it on the street they will eventually break... Mine took a while but slowly started coming apart into little fragments that eventually get bigger and then cycle through the whole rear end. But I don't have regrets doing it it was fun, good know how video.
you did it wrong
There is a better way to do it.
Pull the center pin and C clips and remove all the spiders.
Heat one gear at a time, weld three teeth solid, skip three, weld three.
Do this to all four gears.
Reinstall the gears.
Now you have a completely serviceable fully locked rear differential.
The three on, three off numbers apply to GM ten and twelve bolt differential. Count your teeth before you start to be sure those numbers work for your rig.
Before know it alls start saying this can't be done or doesn't work, I have done the rear differential gears on around 825 demolition derby cars without a single break or malfunction of any kind. Be sure to pre heat the gears and wrap them in a fireproof welding blanket and allow to cool overnight.
That’s a fozzy locker.
Spooled rear end = so much fun in a wet parking lot.
another way to find gear ratio is the mark the drive shaft and the tire and count how many times the drive shaft spins for one revolution of the tire
You have really nice beads you must weld a lot looks like you get good penetration too. Nice work 😁👍👍
Heating up steel before welding will help to achieve better, deeper welds.
i can smell the diff fluid trough the screen of my phone.
Marco Montoya it smells nostalgic to me. i like it.
Marco Montoya well throw your phone away because you will never get that smell out
Superman I always knew it was flat......Is that you on the other side? I yell at the floor and I almost hear a reply.
Patrick D Sell it... it isnt worth the trouble of cleaning
all your missing is pancakes lol
u can also weld a plate to gears ,that sits in the middle covering pin to make REAL sure no
thing is coming apart
I just did this on a bronco. Welded the rear and installed a Lokka up front.
haha you the man; your approach is better than the other guys welding on the inner gears cuz that might keep the center pin from coming out ever again!! (like if your machine needs the axles to come out as with some breaks or wheel bearings)
if you guys go back in the video and you look after he polish that tags the first three numbers is 3 space 73 that's the gear ratio
if your diff has a abs sensor on the top.. great way to fill with oil. I use 7018 rods. my sterling 10.25 has been welded for ten years now. daily drivin and abused hard with 39.5 boggers or my 42 inch grooved tsl s. no cracks yet.
That did turn out well.. Great welding!
Old NZ stockcar racers chucked a handfull of nuts n bolts in the old truck diffs they used in thier flathead V8 cars,true!
To lock them.
Cool lesson on gear ratio's. Cool. Poor man posi my dad welded his on his truck and it worked great.
that"s a lot better than the trash-loc that came in my jk.
Your driver side lower control arm is missing a nut on the frame side.
lol
Its a basic rule. When you take something apart and put it back together, your supposed to always have extra nuts and bolts afterwards.
Hahahaha...!
Lh side mudflap countershaft isnt balanced horizontally to the equator pal good shit guys lmao
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only person who saw that
I was really digging the tunes.. good choice and thank you
LOL That music is so Jazzy and Frenchy. ;)
Thanks for reminding me where that came from, its hard to remember sometimes as I download the music and edit the video a couple weeks before I upload and add the description: Music: www.bensound.com
BleepinJeep No sweat. I love that track. :)
Nice looking welds.
been while since we had a cheap jeep vid......;)
when you turn on corners one of the tires will slide or slip and wears faster because it is no longer an open differential
Awesome, luckily when it grenades in 6 months a new carrier is only $55. Just get a lunchbox lol!
that BOY can weld !
very nice weld job
Clean welds!! I need to practice more :)
That song got me so mad in rage it ain't cute u mechanic princess
ready for drifting now
Ive bin watching your videos for years, your probably the reason my jeeps still running haha, but i have a question, what is the disk called that you use to clean the rtv off the diff cover??
Roloc disc.
Will that little bit of weld hold up when you are out in the deep mud running 33x12.50’s???
Shouldn’t the car be level when filling the diff
I feel like it wouldve been smart to weld in a small metal plate, just to make it stronger.
How would you be able to remove the axle later if you did that?
Aren't the ring and pinion count stamped on the ring gear that would be w hell of a lot easier that counting them
is yours a lincoln locker, or a miller locker. the lincoln locker is much better for both on and off road, it will last longer and hold up to bigger tires.
:)
oldreliable303 Justin Scott ---- I had to read that twice, I was a bit groggy at first, Iol
Very funny, is there a Weld Pak 100 version... or a Thermadyn... lol
weld pak 100, i got one of those in 92, it is the best little welder i have ever owned, it anit big or very powerfull or pretty, but it always works and does what i need it to. still my mp210 is much better.
chicago electric locker, the worst of the flux locking bunch
Lincoln Locker is the original.
Alfredo Texas64
He’s got it backwards though because when I walked into the welding place to buy a welder, the guy asked: weekend warrior or professional?
I said pro and he said : ok well let’s look at some millers instead of Lincolns.
I walked out with a miller 130 and a Lincoln cart, because it had room to stuff the plasma cutter below the welder.
Great for trail ONLY rigs. Terrible one dry/snow daily. My yj runs a front lock rite/open rear, stock axles 33's and yet you get stuck and very severe stuff. My zj, lock rite front/ true track rear same lift/33's, both excellent daily drivers and fantastic trail rigs. You'll never be happy with welded rear diffs if you drive daily, deadly mistake when winter hits. Ps, installed correctly, front lock rites drive perfect and quite for normal driving and although they fully lock in 4wd, just don't gas it hard around tight corners and they're awsome for city bad roads too.
sweet rear bumper!!!
can you remove the open diff and install an lsd after doing this or is the whole diff stuck after welding.?.
so does the end of the vid mean ur welding the front also ? great videos!
Great video
Hey Matt, just wondering when you will be getting Cheap Jeep some new tires?
I new it could be done. Now I know how. Thanks
Big fan. You need to make a wheeling video when you get the time whit this jeep.
Good video 👍one thing don’t spread permatex out you put on 1/8 bead and bolt it up. Sorry it’s a pet peeve of mine every video on TH-cam that involves permatex people spread it out with their finger
I did this on front end because hole for pin was ovaled out and small gears shattered. works good but turning on dry ground is jumpy and sidehills are bad cause front wants to slide downhill,I can lock or unlock with locking hubs either wheel.
having a spool in front is not much fun
Welded cast iron often fails when moved
Now do a 3 point turn
Bitch, this aint no "do a three point turn" mall crawler.. lolol
Hello boys and girl! Today on Mister Roger's neighborhood..........
Lowkey thought bruh was gonna try and weld with that little propane tank 🤣
No need to count the teeth. The ratio should be stamped on the outer edge of the ring gear. It will say the tooth count. IE 41-11, 41-10 etc...
Bleepinjeep, can this be done on the rear of a 98 jeep cherokee XJ model that is 4x4? Can you still use it as a daily driver? and I've heard it would handle different on the road during the winter months or when the road is wet. Shine some light on the subject for me. Also the video you made on the transfer case removal at the pull a part helped me learn how to change out the broken one on mine. Oh and I have a 3 inch lift gonna be running 31's soon
Nice welding
Crazy! But hey its your vehicle.
useally both gear teeth #are stamped into the ring gear
itu ada honda crf hobi trail juga ya
What if you welded 3 together and grind off sides of the teeth on the 4th to make a poor man's lunchbox locker? Then the play (from grinding off) would allow partial difference on road just like the aftermarket locker kits....?
looks like the diff in mine i couldnt get a gasket for it its a dana 44 but the case is like an inch bigger than any gasket
so i went the silicone route also
Dale Rollis lube locker finally came out with one for the Dana 44HD (a) But make are u order the right one bc there are so many danna 44 out there and only one place makes it. Lube locker is the only company making them for our zj 5.2 liter And 5.9
Ill never understand the purpose of welding your gears when spools are so cheap and stronger. But to each his own.
@Mick Mack Welding the diff does the same thing as a spool. Welding or running a spool really isn't meant for street driving. You have to run real high air pressure in your tires or you're going to break something. You can run full spools on 8.25 with a c clip eliminator kit. And i think a mini spool works also but im not fully sure.
I'm starting to realize I need a bigger Jack and taller stands too
And now we can take all that nice metal particulate and turn it into grinding paste, can't wait, har! :)
Did that to a 84 dodge 2 wheel drive truck with a 360 and granny gears. Would go a llot more places then it did before. Hard on tires though.
@Mick Mack ????
Never weld the gears to the cast iron. That will last about 20 miles. The weld will break and the gears will try and jump each other and explode the carrier.
Remove the gears, wash them out properly then weld the gears only. Then weld a plate to the gears to box the whole assembly. reassemble and it should last a good while.
I have been welding diffs for 50 years,, and used some carriers after the gears wore out. This on racecars only, Welded diff on the street will be hatefull and twist the axles off fairly quick.
LDN Wholesale I know of a couple that only have the side gears welded in. Both piñon gears are gone. Still running 30 years later
I prefer just lifting the back end and turning the driveshaft to figure out ratios. Easier and not as dirty. :P
Lincoln locker🙌🏼
i have welded several rear diffs and have had no problems. i recently bought dana 44 front with locking hubs and my question is; can i weld my front diff and still have a dailey with the hubs unlocked?
nice job !!! thumb up!
BleepingJeep - When you going to do phase 2?
what is phase 2?
BleepinJeep 8:57,
I have the exact same watch as you man!
Isn't a mini spool like 30 bucks???
There is NO need to weld the side gears and spiders to the case. When you break a spider from welding it you can just remove the old ones and put new ones in and weld them again. Now your case can break from heat stress and it's difficult to repair if something breaks. The machined parts aren't really made to be welded but they are sacrificial and cheap. I've welded my share of diffs and there's just no need to weld to the case.....
I think this jeep is now off-road use only?
I have a 140 welder with Gasless wire should I weld it with max power
Would like to know how you are ever going to change the wheel bearing if need be. That's a c clip axle and now you can't get them out.
I know you left the pin and clips free but the shaft never comes out easy or ever goes back in.
Will it last?
Why did you weld the spider gears to the carrier? Now you'll never be able to re-use that carrier for anything else or switch to a lunchbox locker in the future...
Hey man I love your videos. I'm building a rock crawler with 14-bolt front and rear steering axles do you think I should link and lock it front and rear or Spool in the rear Detroit in the front or what do you think it's only off road and I'm going to have Drive flanges front and rear
@bleepinjeep my grand Cherokee has the quadratrac trans could I still weld my rear diff or would it cause a issue
Just keep adding small rocks in the hole and that will lock ur diff faster and with no time or money spent
I know you can do this. But it’s terrible on dry pavement. Just install a damn locker
Some of us dont have 1k to blow on lockers... and aussie or other automatic lockers wear out after 3000 miles
I believe fluids are meant to be filled on flat ground, from what was shown on the video your rear end is over-filled since it was raised higher than the front
This is assuming you did the ol' stick your finger in the hole until the tip comes out wet trick, which is what it looked like. This could be avoided by measuring what you put in as well.
Drrr, read the ratio written on the crownwheel.
seems to me that this wouldn't be to good making sharp turns especially on pavement. I did this years ago on a Bronco front, but it had lockouts so it was just locked in for off road. also it always it would pull to the side when trying to go up a sand bank. But the traction was great.
Nope it's a bit chirpy
I thought it was the other way around. One drive shaft revolution meant 3.73 tire rotations?
that would be one really fast jeep!
i always just soak it with clhorinated brake clean and have at it with 6010
The gear ratio is stamped right on the gears. Lmao 😂
Great bead, can you show me on paper what you welded i could only see one side, was that it
So I'm a little new to this and I see you only have one front wheel jacked up so the shafts will spin . I'm an idiot and disconnected my shaft . Then broke a bolt off on to the yoke shaft on the diff side . Now I feel so stupid.
The spider gears are NOT cast iron. And the housing is cast steel not cast iron big difference.
What do you think for daily use in a 4runner 2gen
Just read the stamped id. Didn't we all learn this in automechanics
coo,l that solved my stripped spider problem.