THE KHAN ARGUES THE IMPERIAL TRUTH!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2020
- Hi all Wolf Lord Rho here,
Today we kick off our week long special, dedicated to the Khagan himself! And we begin with discussing, Jaghatai Khans' first ever visit... to Terra.
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Wolf Lord Rho: he was made for one purpose
Me: to go fast
WLR: to be that unknown element
Me:of speed
Speed is not his only gift you know.
You made mt day, bless you mate :D
The Khan's purpose is beyond our understanding.
-The reverse emperor of the east, probably
@@chrisbennett6236 of course acceleration is another one
@@blehindableh 😂😂
Khan has a primitive look that hides the most cultured and informed mind of all primarchs thats why he is one of my favorites. Not a blind believer or a slave traitor.
Indeed I do.
Read the convo between Angron and Russ.
Several people knew what Emps was, it just wasn't a big conversation between brothers
@Ben Siener I now want to hear what YOU define as culture. Because the Mongolian high steps themes is a culture.
I wouldn’t call it blind belief.
@Benjyy X "Cultured: characterized by refined taste and manners and good education"
"Culture: the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively."
*Also*
"the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group"
So in some ways sure. They are different. But the overall definition they are pretty close.
Emperor: you wish to know what gift jhagatai has?
Remembrancer: yes my lord!
Emperor: it all started when I saw this movie called fast and furious 28000 years ago....
Fast and Furious could pass for a title of the Khan
lol that is so good
Fast and Furious only wish they could keep up with the Khan
Nothing is as fast as family though 😜
Lol
The Khan is another A+ student so the Emperor gave him less attention.
Meanwhile Guiliman: "Wait you guys get attention?"
Laughs in Angron
that was the clearest way of putting it. the great Khan had the Emperors confidence.
Hawk boi :3
Guiliman was not at the trail of Magnus the Red...
He was not at the Triumph...
HE WAS TOO BUSY GETTING IT DONE! (Age of Empires theme)
You say say that Alpharius isn’t the most unknown Primarch as if it’s controversial. Of course he’s well understood. I know all about him because I am him, and you are too!
I am Alpharius
I am Omegon.
I am Alpharius and I approve this message.
@@julejule7 You are Alpharius
No no I'm Alpharius
The Khan is the embodiment of the old addage that a plan, planned to absolute perfection, is doomed to fail. There will always be a rogue element you can't plan for, make contingencies for. So, the Emperor made it himself.
Genius idea
I think you missed the point. Jaghatai thought they should tell Imperial citizens about Chaos, thinking they could better prepare for it. It wasn't that Jaghatai or the Emperor had a single linear plan they just differed on how to get the end goal.
A contingency plan is like a good middle finger to the Changer of Ways.
@@svagglaorde4387 JUST AS PLANNED! or IS IT?
@@chrisbennett6236or at least warn the Primarchs the dangers of Chaos. You’d think prepping your generals with the invaluable intelligence on his greatest enemies would be an obvious decision.
Alpharius and Omegon's secretiveness is deliberate, a choice they made, but The khan is genuinely unknowable, without any sort of effort spent on it
It's interesting that Jaghatai knew about Chaos at this point. Guess that throws out the theory that ONLY Johnson knew of Chaos before the Heresy.
He doesn't know of Chaos IE Old Night, just that the Warp is a thing and things reside in there. his view is arguably Naive due to no real exposure to what the Realm of Souls has become.
corax knew too, he mentioned some of the machines on the planet were fueled bhy the warp
The Khan and Corax knew about the Warp, not Chaos. Two things which are not synonymous.
@@blackmage665 Doesn't matter if he knew precisely what resided there, he knew it existed. Remember most Imperial citizens had no clue the Warp existed at all. And still throws the Johnson theory. Though Magnus and Mortarion growing up on Chaos worlds had already thrown that theory out.
@@johnsilver5783 Usually yes but they knew malevolent entities resided there. It doesn't matter that they didn't know the precise inhabitants they still knew they existed.
That Magnus and Mortarion also grew up on Chaos worlds had already thrown this theory out. Plus Perturabo through intellect and intuition knew there were malevolent forces that existed in the Eye of Terror. And yes again I'm aware he didn't know exact details.
Truthfully it wouldn't make any sense for the Emperor to tell Johnson, Magnus or Mortarion as they were already aware of Chaos and the dangers it held. So if it wasn't Horus it had to be Sanguinius could neither Guilliman or Dorn knew at this point. It also wouldn't have made any sense to tell any Primarch that I haven't listed as they would have been completely in the dark. Jaghatai and Perturabo knew through exceptional intuition. Plus we have no way of knowing how many of the Primarchs Malcador may have told. By their conversation he wasn't surprised Jaghatai knew so either Jaghatai guessed correctly at an earlier date or Malcador told him. The later seems highly unlikely as this was their first time meeting.
Remembrancer: So what is the Khans gift?
BIG E: He's a speedy boi
I'm pretty sure the Emperor smiled to himself. There's a certain pride in knowing someone or something is doing what you made them for.
@Phocron That was my thought as well. We know from other videos on this channel that Jaghatai and The Emperor respected each other even though they rarely agreed. So it was logical to assume he took great pride in Jaghatai.
Jaghatai Khan is the wildcard. He is meant to be mysterious.
Will the White Scars show up for a magic carpet ride thru the ranks of a bunch of squishy heritics? Who knows. Maybe. Maybe not
“Your tools will open your veins instead” he is referring to the fact that if he continually places the primarchs in the shit, they are going to turn on him.
Maybe he was pissed bout the word bearers gettin punished at monarchia
disrespected or mishandled weapons will sooner rather than later cut yourself instead of the enemy...
@@SpectralArrow Did that happen just after the Khan was found? I thought at that point, most Primarchs have been found.
Yup. And he was 100% right. For all that rho here claims that the Khan didn't understand what the emperor needed to do, the Khan was nonetheless right.
@@TheStrangeBloke The Emperor is always very good at rationalising his actions. (A bit like a certain Avenging Son...)
Let it begin white scar week shall be legendary
*tips hat* Lord Inquisitor, good to see you, snazzy picture as always
Great Angel *Tips hat back* and to you good sir always a pleasure to see you
If we had a sitcom-style series with the Primarchs as teenagers growing up raised by a single-father Emperor, Malcador would be the best uncle everybody would love.
These make my days man, getting on to YT seeing WLR with a 22 minute vid? Thats a good feeling.
Hell yeah bro grab a brush and a glass of scotch and get loose baby!! That's my favorite
I know it is a lot to ask, but PLEASE include the conversation between the White Scars Stormseer and Malcadors agent just before this meeting!! It is pure White Scar Gold! They lay out the imperial truth, and the Stormseer just instant says; That is wrong!
Well said, Rho - 'in the end he understands why the emperor made the decisions he did.' At the end of The Path of Heaven, when Jaghatai is standing in Dark Glass and pieces together what the emperor's plan was without ever being told any part of it, I remember wondering if any of the other loyalist primarchs could have pieced together the emperor's plan in the same circumstances. Maybe part of his inscrutability is his ability to see through deceptions and intuit the purpose of a given object or action (like he did with the alpha legion in Scars)?
Corax also figured it out. I don't know if he'd figured it out by this point but he does. Difference is he agreed with the Emperor.
"Be thankful he is able to converse with you at all".....so much in that line.
Damn,last time I was this early the C'tans diet was still mainly consisting of star radiation.
and the necrons still were fleshy bois
And still celestial fart gas
I think that is the Emperors purpose and reasoning for the Warhawk. It causes the enemy to have a fear of the unknown. Jagatai is totally unpredictable, even to his brothers. For the Emperor, The Khan and Chogoris!!!!. Another great vid and upload by WLR! Cheers mate
What I loved about the Khan’s meeting with Malcador is that Malcador is saying exactly what the truth is - using a lie. Humanity was not ready to deal with the warp. Not in any way, but least to deal with its temptation. It reminds me of Oppenheimer’s quote after the Trinity test: I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. A necessary evil or a power play? Good and evil are rarely so obvious. What the god-emperor does is morally grey, even wrong, but I don’t doubt his intentions. The simple truth of 40k’s galaxy is that it was always brutal, brutal long before the emperor was created, long before humans even evolved. The Necrontyr, the C’tan, the Eldari, even the Old Ones destroyed entire civilizations and had day-to-day death, brutality, and violence in spades.
There’s a portion of 40k’s community that really can’t wrap their minds around it. To these sweet summer children, if only the Emperor was a kindly old dad who called his sons ‘sport’ and played catch with them after school, the galaxy would be a peaceful, heavenly place. We can harshly judge the emperor, because every moral issue is always looked at in a vacuum. We can play Monday morning quarterback easily.
Malcador explained it so simply: survival means playing hardball. Sometimes it means making decisions that suck, and mistakes are costly. Sometimes it means the few get a bad turn in order to safeguard the many. This scene is where the Khan starts to realize the truth of what it requires for humans to survive at all. Because at the end of the day, as bad as the Imperium is, as awful as the conditions of life are in it, it is a miracle there is any life at all. The universe- in 40k or in our own - is not a friendly place, and damn does it ever want to kill you.
I feel like Perturabo and Ferrus Mannus are more unknown in this day and age, not to mention the two missing ones. The Khan has gotten a lot of love lately. Not that I mind since he's in my top 3 list for sure.
“The inner workings of my mind are an enigma”
-Patrick Khan
Somewhere, out there in the imperium, a carton of milk mysteriously falls over and spills.
Jaghatai seeing a bike: "What kind of horse is this?"
Dorn would need more than a week, he is that awesome! Let us fortify the like button brothers!
Nah :P
Sleepy sack rhymes with Valrak?
I'll SIEGE your comment.
Only because there's vastly more lore on Dorn. They only recently started giving us lore on the Primarchs not named Johnson, Russ, Sanguinius, Guilliman, Dorn or Horus. Even Angron's lore has always been pretty basic.
Maybe it’s just me being a salamander fanboy but I’d love to see Vulkan and The Khan interact with each other and I don’t think it’s a coincidence malcador mentions him. I feel that Vulkan is everything that Jaghatai fails to see in the Emperor, the humanity and care for the average citizen that Vulkan is known for combined with the fact he is the only primarch that didn’t want to be a warlord or general would make for an interesting combination with Jaghatai’s views explained here.
My favorite bit from that passage from that bit: 'I have heard this before,' the Primarch said. 'There were empires on my home world that offered freedom to their slave castes, but only when they were ready. That moment, strangely enough, never came. In the end they had to take it for themselves, to die for it, and even then there were some who said the day had come too soon.' He looked back at the Sigillite. ' The Truth will come out. You won't be able to hold the blindfold in place, and once it slips, the fury of those you deceived will be limitless.'
Jaghatai doesn't come to understand the "necessity," of the Imperial Truth, he comes to understand that there's no point in arguing. Just like I haven't come to understand the "necessity" of the DMCA, but I have come to understand that there's no point in arguing because it's not going to change.
THIS! This right here is by fare my all time favorite thing about the Great Khan. I have allways believed the imperial truth a useful but ultimately distasteful Lie. So many Primarchs bought the lie completely, but The Khan did not buy it for a second!
"Your world was not Caliban"
Malcador dunks on the primarchs week begins!
"Ride like the Wind"
The Khan is a complete mystery to everybody because he says EXACTLY what he means, in a universe where everybody tries to attach a deeper meaning to their words.
In a way, he confounds everyone because not only does he not play by the same rules as everyone else, he doesn't even seem to know that there are rules in the first place.
He genuinely isn't trying to be mysterious and dissembling, but nobody seems to grasp that.
Contrast to Alpharius, who goes out of his way to be mysterious, understands the rules better than anyone and tries to bend them into a pretzel.
So glad it's the Khan's week! My favorite by far
There are times where Pup Lord Rho is reading the passages, and I get goosbumps. Love this channel.
I think they Khan represents the emperor's freedom and independence. The emperer has forgotten since he devoted his life in service and preservation of mankind. At any moment in history the emperor could have walked away from it all, but has bound him self literally to the fate humanity.
This begs the question, was the emperor "free" at any point? Since his birth and past lives he has always been meant to be the protector of man. Maybe when he created the Khan it was like a father giving his child something which he never truely had. Maybe this why the Khan during the heresy the Khan never picked a side until the he found the reason for it him self on Prospero.
Been looking forward to the week of the Khan.
Nice, just what I needed for a long commute.
Awesome video Wolf Lord. Thank you for your videos!
Love the philosophical take on all your vids man. Keep up the good work!
You kick ass Rho!
I was very excited for this ! 👍
Damn dude, this one really made my day! Great job!
LOYALIST CHANNEL
FOR THE EMPEROR.
He did Perturabo last. He's not a Loyalist.
Had me going for a moment there at the halfway point.
Your content keeps getting better.
Love the videos. Keep up the good work.
A in depth conversation between the uncle and nephew . the quite ones truly are the most interesting in the Kahn. Silence being the golden nod to make him what you want . but a loyal son no matter what .
Awesome man, thanks wolf lord
Everytime you cover a primarch I'm like..well guess I'm starting this army now....
This week couldnt come at any better time. Just listened to Scars last week and am about halfway through Path of Heaven. Still a huge Russ fan, but everytime I listen to a new book my second favorite primarch changes haha. Going to say Sanguinius, Jaghatai, and The Lion are tied at the moment for second place. With Perterabo and Vulkan tied for third in my list of favorites.
Thanks for the video. I have to admit, I never had much esteem for the Khan because I never really understood him. This video highlights some really important traits, though. It feels like these are questions and counterpoints an average person would make, just for Malcador or the Emperor to make a 'down to earth' sort of reply. Really good highlights, thanks Rho.
Many thanks yet again WLR ur a legend :)
Were almost at 100,000 subs to the one and only wolf lord!
Yoyo! Amazing video! Can we get one about how the Khan reorganized his legion after being given command of them!? I would love to know more details about that.
Corvax basicly hated the terran born Ravens.
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Best primarch week
The Imperial Truth was necessary, because Chaos isn't something you can "solve," and if you know about Chaos, you start seeing it everywhere: every brothel, every political party, all mention of duels and honorable combat, every fringe political party or scholarly tradition...all of them, and more, can give rise to cults that can threaten entire worlds. Yet, to address Chaos, you need to create a system of such horrible oppression that no Primarch would willingly agree to see it made. Each one would try though, and each would offer a different "solution" stemming from their own experience, and each one would be flawed in ways they couldn't see, because they needed experience with it that they simply lacked.
It would come down to "blindly trust the Emperor while he's creating the most oppressive regime in history," and that just means giving them even *more* reason to turn traitor. All the Emperor could do was buy time, and hope the Primarchs would eventually come to understand the danger as they fought Chaos fueled powers in the Crusade.
exactly
@@tawnykyle-cm5eq This^^
For being the Emperor of mankind, observe mankind for millennia, he made the simplest dumb mistake any leaders could made....
I’m not sure if the Imperial Truth was necessary or that it would have worked in the end.
For starters, the Imperial Truth was a lie, and the Emperor embodied said lie. His size, powers, and even charisma were all because he is and was a living god in human flesh.
And while I can understand that much like a child, you don’t go into great details about the true darkness of the world…to lie and cover up it’s existence is a mistake. Especially when the darker truths do end rearing their ugly head. Because how do you fight against something you were told doesn’t exist? Especially as doubt, anxiety, and fear creeps in as you lose faith in one you thought would never lead you astray.
I think it would have been better if the Emperor had explained and instilled in all a humanity greater intuition of how to recognize and resist Chaos…rather than deny it’s existence. All this happened because of that, and that the Imperial Truth is an Imperial Lie that would uphold as humanity spread across the galaxy.
While I understand what the Emperor was trying to do and avoid, it ultimately backfired tremendously for pretty clear reasons.
Uriah of the Last Church of Terra realized and warned The Emperor about this in his final moments, yet the Emperor refused to listen. Yet even while he decried gods and being one, The Emperor played and acted as a god all the while. Even killing more people and committing more atrocities then the zealous, religious crusades he condemned.
This isn’t to say The Emperor Of Mankind is incompetent, but highlights the fact that even the most intelligent and skilled are not immune to making catastrophic errors. Especially when they look at the bigger picture of without considering the details (AKA individuals and their own agency) who compose said bigger picture.
IMHO, it would have been better if he had embraced the role instead. Especially since it’s implied he directly influenced most of mankind’s religions.
Once your done with Khan week, could you give your father some care by looking at his conversation with his illusion duplicat in wolfsbane? It really nails some important sides to his nature.
If Malcador wants to exercise moral authority then he had better make sure he can still see Humanity from up there.
Great video as always!
Good stuff man
Second favorite primarch after Rogal. I can see Jaghatai and Rogal bonding over how blunt and honest both of them are
Awesome
As a jaghatai fan boi I'm so ready for this week
"Scorn not your tools"
Wise words that could have prevented the heresy. Maybe focusing on the here and now rather than the infinite can better enable you to watch your back. Now I see why the Emperor was uncertain of the Khan's loyalty at the start of the heresy, he loved freedom a lot and disagreed with imperial truth
You got with that Malcador bit. Just as I was about to start swearing...
Jaghatai power is thinking outside the box and thus making the best decision you can.
Khan's hidden power is he can shuffle dance like a boss.
YES!!!
Two faces of a single man is likely also a reference to Alpharius and Omegon. All the Primarchs are meant to be aspects of the Emperor. I firmly support the idea that Malcador is the one remaining shaman left that did not become part of the gestalt figure known as the Emperor.
Finally I'm on time
I hope you talk about the 1st time he meets the angle tho I think you have before but its just such a great moment.
just checked and yes you have lol sorry. Still could do a vid on all his meetings with his brothers.
Again dude, the quality of your vids are just leagues ahead of other's.
Emperor: ...and this is why I decided to (insert instances of Primarch mistreatment here).
Jaghatai Khan: You are a sucky dad, and if you keep on sucking, everything will suck.
Emperor: Go suck an exhaust pipe Biker Bowie, you know I have good reasons.
Jaghatai Khan: Golden armour and eloquence don't make you any less of an asshole.
It’s canon that the Emperor is a combination of all the remaining Shaman so they could reincarnate together into a single being to protect humanity... It makes sense one would have stayed behind to protect and educate the infantile new combo / Emperor, as it’s too big an investment to risk losing to the ruinous powers / going off course. It would also explain why Malcador is old and sickly but exhibits all the same powers as the emperor but on a lower power scale.
It isn't actually canon. First because that's not how 40k works. Second that is simply one of a few theories on how he came into being. A good theory but far from canon.
Ah jaghatai. Inspired by the chagatai khanate, the name of khan lives even through fantasy universe. Long live the Khan!
Wait until I come back. Just wait.
We are waiting brother.
Did your alarm clock was Also dameged like Lions?
@@rogaldorn3900 Yes.
Jaghatai Khan is an interesting case, a lot more interesting than I first suspected. He's set up to have a strained relationship with the Emperor. He's got his doubts. He's no Roboute Guilliman or Rogal Dorn. However, unlike the others with a strained relationship with the Emperor, the likes of Mortarian or Angron, or Perterabo, the Khan overcomes these doubts, and his own flaws, and remains loyal to the last. Really makes me wonder what would have happened if the more traitorous brothers didn't see the error of their ways and remained loyal too.
The Khan has jumped up to my top 3 favorite loyal Primarchs. The three that need to return before any other primarchs return. 1ST the Lion, 2nd the Khan and then these 2 will find the Wolf. Then the imperium will be outfitted with leaders.
Also I hope the Horus Heresy game gets a malcador figure.
Jhagatai and the white scars are my favorite legion/primarch
Your love for jagatai is apparent brother me thinks you should be warhawk rho 😉
that line about the Emperor battling daily with chaos is telling.
Imagine being President while simultaneously playing VR doom on nightmare!
He only has one weakness.
Great walls.
Yes mate.
I'm honestly perplexed by the comparison of the Khan to the Lion. I suppose it makes sense, they are both some of the most mysterious primarchs out of all 18. That said it's still curious how that was the first thing Malcador stated regarding comparing Jaghatai to the Lion. No other primarch, no other world. Caliban and the Lion. Chogoris and the Warhawk. I really hope we do get some interaction between these two, it would be some of the most fascinating reading out of even the primarchs imo.
"Gotta go fast!"
-Jaghatai Khan
honored be his name...
I've been working my way through all of the primarch stories from the HH to modern 40k. Hands down the Khan is my favorite. He is independent, noble, courageous, selfless, and intelligent. He loves his people and always does what he believes is best for them.
I believe he represents the big E's conscience. That's why he wasn't trusted during the HH, because E knows that if the Khan decided the Emperor was more wrong than right, he would have rebelled, without compromise.
I liked what malcador said, that if they could they would have take a 100 years to teach and groom the primarchs to be prepared, guess that was the future the chaos Powers feared soooo much, i mean imagine the primarchs being educated for 100 years by malcador AND the emperor
he says i am going to enjoy this week but he says that about every week
Alpharius is more known to us than the Khan..... Alpharius would agree.
I like the Khan. He's in my top 3 Primarchs. Of course my dad the Lion is number one but the Khan is second, followed by Vulkan. These 3 together would fuck some shit up. Also I have a feeling I'll be seeing some more Lion content in the future here soon, that Lion Primarch book definately has video worthy content. You'll enjoy it trust me. I live in the US and ordered it from the UK just to have it as soon as possible.
I feel like the Khan makes all the right choices of one who has no knowledge of the future, like explaining and treachhing people about chaos is the best defence but would yake too long and his forewarnings to the emperor are so right because he is explaining how it would bw seen by those who cant aee the future
The Khan is unbelievably sound, out of all the brothers.
Wait what's this about Kaliban? What happened at kaliban >_
The world was tainted by Chaos. It tried to tempt the Lion from his arrival. It failed.
Planet infested with some type Warp creatures balanced or throttled by ewoks. Cough*
Then there are bad feel feels and people get butt hurt. The lion flips out and bombards his world to shit then chaos gods get mad over more feel feels and the warp rips the weakened planet apart.
Then their is a rock filled with powered armored feel feels that tantrum over the original butt hurt feel feels.
@@kelman727 rumours, all rumours spread by alpha legion agents to undermine the glorious 1st. There was no chaos uprising on Caliban, no schism, nothing happened.
He’s in it for the speed force
Man... I have been listening to you for over 2 years now and have a single complaint, I can't understand when the reading ends and your comments begin and find myself needing to listen to the same thing 3 times to get it... You newer stuff is a bit better than these older ones I will give you that.
I can't believe I'm 14 hours late. What is happening? Is the warp tampering with the notifications?
Yes. Via its servant, TH-cam..
WILD CARD WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Understanding the role of each of the Primarchs, I can’t help but wonder if we can decipher the roles of the two missing Primarchs. What’s missing?
Very, very good observation. It would be quite interesting.
Will you do a ferrus manus week at some point?