I love him, but he's so bad Happy Halloween y'all! Music used: Vampire Savior-Intro Vampire Savior-Forever Torment Vampire Savior-War Agony #darkstalkers #vsav #victor #FGC
Long time Victor main here, you really did your research! He def has to work hard, but he's far from unplayable. He's got some undeniably great benefits, like absurdly high health and a looping vortex. Really great and high rewarding anti airs are an amazing tool in a game where everyone jumps like a jack rabbit on a hot plate. The bad mobility isn't the biggest nail in the coffin in my opinion, id say its his laggy buttons. He's got a fair amount of footies buttons that look good on paper but they have so much recovery. He should in theory be able to just box people out but its just too risky a lot of the time. That and his fat ass hurtbox, that murders him in certain matchups. For instance the Bulleta "Sako infinite" only works on standing characters mostly, unless your name is Victor or Bishamon where it just works all the time. Or Q-Bee dash MP is a really good advancing poke thats +4 on block, but it's supposed to whiff on crouchers, but again vic gets shafted and has to hold that all day. I don't really know what im trying to say, i guess that he's definitely one of the worst characters, but not unplayable for sure. That being said I am well known for up-selling low tiers constantly so take that with a grain of salt lmao.
Okay, until this video i though Victor's whiffed 360 animation was a taunt. It sounds goofy, but I've also seen it whiff in front of me. So I never imagined it was a grab attempt.
I played this a ton in the arcade as a kid but never tried Victor. Returning to it on Fightcade as an adult, I gave him a shot, and had a blast! I ran a pair of FT10s with a homie and got it all the way to round 3 of the very last match each time, but couldn't clutch it out. I'll take a pair of 9-10s but I think this explains part of why I had to work a little extra hard to make it (besides just decades of not playing).
Oh, don't make the mistake of thinking she is bad. Vampire Savior is a very well balanced game, bottom tiers are more than capable of fighting top tiers.
Wow true story. When I was in the arcades I tried just about every character in Darkstalkers and I got my ass kicked to the point I was wearing it like a hat. Like I couldn't get past the first opponent level of bad. Then I came to Victor and holy hell he hits like a dump truck! That jumping downward lighting fist is SOOOOOOOOOO GOOD! Especially against those projectile spamming characters like Morrigan! Sure he's a big clunky doofus but he's been my go to ever since!
Anakaris does not have push block because of balancing reasons. He is the only one in the roster who can grab you from afar, his coffin drops are unblockable if you block low, he is the only one capable of teleporting to the other side of the screen, most of his ex moves are also unblockable, and he is the only one capable of aerial pressure and continuous combo in the air due to his float jump which even huitzil, a fellow floater, cannot do. So granting him pushblock just makes it harder for opponents to punish him
I remember somewhat playing once darkstalkers arcade when I was little (funny thing is that is very uncommom where I live where most arcades were Kof and sf) it was this big blue fella the first fighting game character I ever liked. And even though its not always that I go for the grappler archetype, big bodies and gentle giants always have a soft spot in FGs for me
Victor Apologist #4 signing in, sir! I don't really know why I gravitated toward him; I guess I just like low tier charge characters (I'm a Remy main too btw). One thing ol' Vic has over most of the cast is an awesome action figure. The Darkstalkers 3 line from ToyBiz is kinda wack, but Victor's figure is superb!
Darkstalkers. AHHH memories. A fun game but VERY CLEARLY made in the era between 'experimenting with ideas' and 'actually forming general standards for most character archetypes'. Victor is victim of a lot of old FG problems taht modern games have mostly started fixing. Any or all 'big body traits' modern-era 2d fighters possess would save him from the bottom tier easily.. Just imagine Victor with super armor, better normals, hard knockdown on his grapples, any or all of the tools guys like Hugo, Alex and/or Gief have. He might never reach the coveted and infamous High Tiers but he could be a good big body fighter instead of what he is now. I still like Victor of course, but MAN what a modern update could do for him....
Few things: 1. The corner strike/throw is even worse than indicated in the video, because you can OS the strike/throw mixup simply by attempting to push block (you'll get a jab that hits him out of the empty jump throw). So, in addition to running the strike/throw, you also have to subtly alter the timing of your jump-ins to combat a simple OS that people might not even realize that they're doing. 2. Having an invincible reversal in this game doesn't matter, because you can't piano reversal. The engine is programmed so that if you, say, try a reversal DP, and hit the punch button before the reversal frame, it also throws out the motion data, too. So, you can't game the chances of getting a reversal like you can in other older games - it's always a 1/60 (or in this case, 1/59) chance. This is why you rarely see wakeup DPs in high-level play, but see Guard Cancels much more frequently (which are given invuln frames, even if the move normally doesn't have any). ...Also, for what it's worth, "Mega Fist" does have lower body invuln on startup, and "Hammerfall" has upper-body invuln. Not that it's super-important though, lol. Good video!
There's actually even more; his non command grabs can be tech'd. Also one of his command grabs can be tech'd, (fireball motion) which isn't just useless, but it means messing up your giga burn or even 360 can result in a slow, useless move that you will get punished for. He has no real way to deal with instant overheads, making some matchups like Q-Bee far worse than they would be with just his flawed offensive options. His charging moves are risky to use and will often get you punished more often than it will work. His little "hop" forward move is almost as slow as his jump and you can't attack or block from it. Don't get me wrong, I love this character, but it is an uphill battle and you have to be able to pull off very insane things to win.
As a grab conneisseur like yourself, I love me some grappler, but it's crazy how even the character who doesn't have a NORMAL THROW AND PUSHBLOCK is not as bad as victor. Vsav is a great (janky) game, but godayum the characters are so nasty in different degrees
vsav is one of the coolest games ever but having some of the weaker character be your favs in it is kinda saddening tbh, Vic wasn't the main ones I liked it was more the succubi and jedah who at least got to be good in mvc but trying to play them against some of the really busted characters like Sasquatch was brutal
You say that you hope Victor will get some love, but Gief has released in a buggy, half-finished state, and even after getting patched he's a bad character. Which would be an improvement for Victor since he's CS Tager bad in the game he's in, but I wouldn't hold out hope for Capcom to make a good grappler
Don't forget the part where the DP spamming defensive character, the beefy rushdown character, and the pixie character are all better grapplers than him
I'm glad you started out by pointing to his shitty dash. Fixing that alone would make the character much more competitive against the rest of the cast. Too bad, because he's super fun to play with what little he has as is, but he's lacking in so many aspects. Raptor in paticular seems unwinnable for him and that character is played by almost everyone.
Only for you, bub, Víctor Is The strongets character here, Morrigan bisbother character nada, only is a visual atractive character, but Víctor can be The Best here
Another "Lol, he's bad because he's big and slow" guy. Let me guess, the best character's the one with garbage damage output and moves, but they're "fast."
Actually, L. Raptor is cracked and has everything lol. His only real weakness is being difficult to pull all of it off. Even has a bug with jumping light kick that if timed right it not able to be blocked.
Long time Victor main here, you really did your research! He def has to work hard, but he's far from unplayable.
He's got some undeniably great benefits, like absurdly high health and a looping vortex. Really great and high rewarding anti airs are an amazing tool in a game where everyone jumps like a jack rabbit on a hot plate. The bad mobility isn't the biggest nail in the coffin in my opinion, id say its his laggy buttons. He's got a fair amount of footies buttons that look good on paper but they have so much recovery. He should in theory be able to just box people out but its just too risky a lot of the time. That and his fat ass hurtbox, that murders him in certain matchups. For instance the Bulleta "Sako infinite" only works on standing characters mostly, unless your name is Victor or Bishamon where it just works all the time. Or Q-Bee dash MP is a really good advancing poke thats +4 on block, but it's supposed to whiff on crouchers, but again vic gets shafted and has to hold that all day.
I don't really know what im trying to say, i guess that he's definitely one of the worst characters, but not unplayable for sure. That being said I am well known for up-selling low tiers constantly so take that with a grain of salt lmao.
Okay, until this video i though Victor's whiffed 360 animation was a taunt. It sounds goofy, but I've also seen it whiff in front of me. So I never imagined it was a grab attempt.
I played this a ton in the arcade as a kid but never tried Victor. Returning to it on Fightcade as an adult, I gave him a shot, and had a blast! I ran a pair of FT10s with a homie and got it all the way to round 3 of the very last match each time, but couldn't clutch it out. I'll take a pair of 9-10s but I think this explains part of why I had to work a little extra hard to make it (besides just decades of not playing).
I'm more shocked Morrigan is considered as bad as Viktor or Anakaris
Its kinda like, Morrigan's got 0 sauce
Oh, don't make the mistake of thinking she is bad. Vampire Savior is a very well balanced game, bottom tiers are more than capable of fighting top tiers.
You and Guilewinquote are two of my favorite fgc content creators! Its so so cool to hear you guys combined forces 🎉
Hoping that Capcom of all people will make a grappler good in the future is the truest form of folly.
Your character analysis videos are so good!!! Love them so much!!!
Wow true story. When I was in the arcades I tried just about every character in Darkstalkers and I got my ass kicked to the point I was wearing it like a hat. Like I couldn't get past the first opponent level of bad. Then I came to Victor and holy hell he hits like a dump truck! That jumping downward lighting fist is SOOOOOOOOOO GOOD! Especially against those projectile spamming characters like Morrigan! Sure he's a big clunky doofus but he's been my go to ever since!
poor guy just wanted to do the grabby grabby but god said no
I would LOVE to see victor get the love he deserves. One of the all time coolest big boy characters!
This banged. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to find a Victor player to 720 me to death.
One of my fav youtubers mentions VSAV, day improved immensly
Great video! Sad for such a cool character, but everyone loves an underdog!
Anakaris does not have push block because of balancing reasons. He is the only one in the roster who can grab you from afar, his coffin drops are unblockable if you block low, he is the only one capable of teleporting to the other side of the screen, most of his ex moves are also unblockable, and he is the only one capable of aerial pressure and continuous combo in the air due to his float jump which even huitzil, a fellow floater, cannot do. So granting him pushblock just makes it harder for opponents to punish him
I remember somewhat playing once darkstalkers arcade when I was little (funny thing is that is very uncommom where I live where most arcades were Kof and sf) it was this big blue fella the first fighting game character I ever liked. And even though its not always that I go for the grappler archetype, big bodies and gentle giants always have a soft spot in FGs for me
Victor Apologist #4 signing in, sir! I don't really know why I gravitated toward him; I guess I just like low tier charge characters (I'm a Remy main too btw). One thing ol' Vic has over most of the cast is an awesome action figure. The Darkstalkers 3 line from ToyBiz is kinda wack, but Victor's figure is superb!
I'm 100% down for more darkstalkers videos
Darkstalkers. AHHH memories. A fun game but VERY CLEARLY made in the era between 'experimenting with ideas' and 'actually forming general standards for most character archetypes'.
Victor is victim of a lot of old FG problems taht modern games have mostly started fixing. Any or all 'big body traits' modern-era 2d fighters possess would save him from the bottom tier easily.. Just imagine Victor with super armor, better normals, hard knockdown on his grapples, any or all of the tools guys like Hugo, Alex and/or Gief have. He might never reach the coveted and infamous High Tiers but he could be a good big body fighter instead of what he is now. I still like Victor of course, but MAN what a modern update could do for him....
Darkstalkers 1 was shortly before COTA, and had the same general style.
Best part of Spooky season is seeing the fgc give Darkstalkers its well deserved recognition every year!
It’s really cool to see you talk about this game series, you don’t see a lot of love for capcoms older titles
Few things:
1. The corner strike/throw is even worse than indicated in the video, because you can OS the strike/throw mixup simply by attempting to push block (you'll get a jab that hits him out of the empty jump throw). So, in addition to running the strike/throw, you also have to subtly alter the timing of your jump-ins to combat a simple OS that people might not even realize that they're doing.
2. Having an invincible reversal in this game doesn't matter, because you can't piano reversal. The engine is programmed so that if you, say, try a reversal DP, and hit the punch button before the reversal frame, it also throws out the motion data, too. So, you can't game the chances of getting a reversal like you can in other older games - it's always a 1/60 (or in this case, 1/59) chance. This is why you rarely see wakeup DPs in high-level play, but see Guard Cancels much more frequently (which are given invuln frames, even if the move normally doesn't have any).
...Also, for what it's worth, "Mega Fist" does have lower body invuln on startup, and "Hammerfall" has upper-body invuln. Not that it's super-important though, lol.
Good video!
great little video, always good to see one of these in my timeline
There's actually even more; his non command grabs can be tech'd. Also one of his command grabs can be tech'd, (fireball motion) which isn't just useless, but it means messing up your giga burn or even 360 can result in a slow, useless move that you will get punished for. He has no real way to deal with instant overheads, making some matchups like Q-Bee far worse than they would be with just his flawed offensive options. His charging moves are risky to use and will often get you punished more often than it will work. His little "hop" forward move is almost as slow as his jump and you can't attack or block from it.
Don't get me wrong, I love this character, but it is an uphill battle and you have to be able to pull off very insane things to win.
As a grab conneisseur like yourself, I love me some grappler, but it's crazy how even the character who doesn't have a NORMAL THROW AND PUSHBLOCK is not as bad as victor. Vsav is a great (janky) game, but godayum the characters are so nasty in different degrees
To be fair, Anakaris is probably worse than Victor as a whole. Not being able to pushblock is a death sentence against some characters.
@@Frankentank For sure, not only that, but his guard cancel is also punishable.... on HIT 💀
Really good video! Commenting to bump the algo
Victor is cheeks. Literally cheeks, man takes ass clapping to a whole new level with his animations
More Vsav please
My favorite characters to use in Darkstalkers were Sasqautch and Jon Talbain
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vsav is one of the coolest games ever but having some of the weaker character be your favs in it is kinda saddening tbh, Vic wasn't the main ones I liked it was more the succubi and jedah who at least got to be good in mvc but trying to play them against some of the really busted characters like Sasquatch was brutal
You say that you hope Victor will get some love, but Gief has released in a buggy, half-finished state, and even after getting patched he's a bad character. Which would be an improvement for Victor since he's CS Tager bad in the game he's in, but I wouldn't hold out hope for Capcom to make a good grappler
I'd love to know more about what makes Morrigan so bad. Her weaknesses aren't as obvious as the other two.
i like victor but im not very good at doing his DP or his 360. old games have difficult inputs!!!!
Don't forget the part where the DP spamming defensive character, the beefy rushdown character, and the pixie character are all better grapplers than him
I'm glad you started out by pointing to his shitty dash. Fixing that alone would make the character much more competitive against the rest of the cast. Too bad, because he's super fun to play with what little he has as is, but he's lacking in so many aspects. Raptor in paticular seems unwinnable for him and that character is played by almost everyone.
Only for you, bub, Víctor Is The strongets character here, Morrigan bisbother character nada, only is a visual atractive character, but Víctor can be The Best here
Well that was an interesting watch
wait WHAT- why Morrigan is a low tier???
Another "Lol, he's bad because he's big and slow" guy. Let me guess, the best character's the one with garbage damage output and moves, but they're "fast."
Nah Sasquatch has decent damage alongside the cracked mobility
Actually, L. Raptor is cracked and has everything lol. His only real weakness is being difficult to pull all of it off. Even has a bug with jumping light kick that if timed right it not able to be blocked.
cool
I thought anakaris couldn’t guard cancel
Oh he CAN guard cancel...
It's just so abysmally bad that he doesn't ever want to.
@@Frankentank ngl it's such a bad guard cancel I literally just blocked it out of my memory
I'm pretty sure it can be punished on HIT. Oof...
This is hate speech against create a monster mate.
Shame on you.
Any character that has a normal as shown at 2:11 deserves respect.
based
Yeah, hes kinda boring.