****I had originally gotten the stack height measurements from running warehouse. Upon further investigation, mizunos website says the stack height is: Forefoot 36.5mm / Heel 44.5mm 53mm seemed a little high to me!
The Neo Vista is the most amazing shoe that I have ever run in. Fortunately the upper works just fine for me, no rubbing or irritation. But no shoe works for everyone.
Rebellion Pro 2, Flash 2 and Neo Vista are getting TONS of miles for me right now. 100 miles in the first month for the Neo Vista. Easy day shoe for me. All phenomenal offerings!
You can make them flat and they cut in a bit less.. or use a thick sock. I feel them aswell but the shoe is so bouncy for me. Im like 140 pounds and heel or midfood strike. That fit perfect. Didnt feel good as a forefoot striker shoe though.
You're not alone, the very same problem here with the inner part of the two laces holes.. the lace just pokes badly on the top of my foot, maybe something with high volume or wide feet (as mine), or a design problem of the shoe, I don't know.. but I gave up on this model right at the store, just walking I felt that annoying friction, no way I could run on these any distance.. not every shoe is for every feet, unfortunately Have a good day, from Brazil
I had problems with the lace holes also but if I make sure the laces are flat inside and don’t bunch up then they seem to do a lot better. My biggest issues is the heel-it shredded the skin on my heel. I’m going to see if I can either find different socks or a bandage that will help because I love the ride of the shoe otherwise!
It’s not just you! I have the exact same issue with the top shoe hole pad (only medial one) and my navicular bone is irritated. My solution at this moment is to skip the first hole (on the pad) and just put the lace through the very last one, hook it and bring the lace from inside to the mid line to tie on the tongue, if that makes sense. I don’t have pain anymore (but it looks a little ugly as the laces are just popping out from wrong places). MIZUNO could have thought about this in the development phase!
Recently got the wave rebellion pro 1. At 5:30/km pace it feels like a lighter cielo x1 Edit I can tell cielo is a bit more stable but I’ll take the lighter weight over the mild stability.
hi, i had the same one, and tried one time in a running machine. i felt nicely mostly. One thing was that when i speed up little bit, i started feeling some pain in my ankle, not too seriously. And in terms of upper body, it was feeling good to me like a custom fit. The shoe lace issue can be resolved if you make a tie at the back of your ankle. my impression on midsole is that an appropriate cushioning and repulsion when beginners or intermediates run at less than 15k.
Love your honesty about this shoe. Another great review. I’ve never owned Mizuno shoes either so would be interested in knowing more about them and would love to hear your opinions.
Wave Rebellion Pro v1 and v2 have both been stellar Mizuno shoes - very lightweight, breathable and extremely rockered. They’re my race day shoes but I’ve no interest in the Neo Vista.
The Neo was an odd one for me. I tried it on a demo run a couple months back and absolutely loved it. However, when I purchased it and ran in it a couple of times that love faded. I started to get a hot spot on the ball of my foot - I think from not being able to get the lock down right. That upper is just so constricting. I even went up a half size and still found it tight. Hopefully they’ll give us a bit more room in v2 cause I do think they’re onto something with the midsole compound.
When I see "features" like these on shoes (hard parts on flex points and stuff hanging off the shoe) and wonder how much they actually ran in these shoes in design/development or if the design team worked in a vacuum. These are things that cause problems on many different shoes (I've had issues with NB with some of these) so you would think we would stop seeing stuff like this eventually, but it just keeps happening.
I felt some pain from the same part of the upper and lacing system on right the outside of my foot. I didn't notice the pain until the end of an 8 mile run.
I had the same issue with the laces and returned the shoes after second run. After two miles I had to stop and awkwardly arrange the lace under the “tongue” to come up through the first plastic eyelet. . Unlike other lace systems the one piece upper does not lend itself to easy adaptations. Poor design.
I have heard other reviewers mention the heel and the top two lace holes as issues, so you’re not alone there. I wanted to try these on but my local specialty running store told me they wouldn’t be carrying them, even though they stock other Mizuno shoes.
Personally I've had zero issues with the laces. My issue (and it's a small one) is how hot my feet can get in them. I do find the fit is brilliant though 👌🏻
i don't know if i get along with a knit upper, because i never really had a running shoe with that. so i think i'll give it a shot (i'll just wait until mizuno releases a more appealing colour than blue or white).
I got to demo a few weeks ago. A great walking and recovery shoe, but a bit weird to run in when you get up to speed. Overtime the plastic plate could prove annoying, I'm a fore foot runner. Mid to heal may have different opinion. The demo guy has 400+ miles in his, so may not be the worry I was thinking. Crazy they are just EVA foam, doesn't feel that way at all.
I see a fair bit of pronation in your gait. Maybe the addition of some orthotics (if you don’t already use them ) might help the fit? Thanks for the very helpful video
Do you feel like the wide midsole platform gets in the way of the ride? Not digging this trend of supposedly neutral shoes being as wide or wider than stability shoes with respect to midsole platform
I’m assuming because you pronate the upper doesn’t really lock up down and the ankle collar is probably pretty rough as well. I tired these on at my local fleet feet and they just felt unstable to my foot. I didn’t have any probs with the upper in was just standing in it.
I think this shoe is an absolute banger!! My only gripe and it's a small one is that booty upper. It makes my feet very warm! Flip side to that coin though is it's a great fit! I will be keeping it because it's a brilliant long run offering 👌🏻
@Feanaro5503 If you want a daily cruiser, then this is definitely worth considering. I wore some thinner socks the other day, and that did help with keeping my feet cooler, so if you do get them, then get some thin socks too 👍🏻
****I had originally gotten the stack height measurements from running warehouse. Upon further investigation, mizunos website says the stack height is:
Forefoot 36.5mm / Heel 44.5mm
53mm seemed a little high to me!
The Neo Vista is the most amazing shoe that I have ever run in. Fortunately the upper works just fine for me, no rubbing or irritation. But no shoe works for everyone.
I LOVE knit upper on my shoes. I picked up a pair after not trying Mizuno for 6ish years or so and I'm impressed.
Rebellion Pro 2, Flash 2 and Neo Vista are getting TONS of miles for me right now. 100 miles in the first month for the Neo Vista. Easy day shoe for me. All phenomenal offerings!
You can make them flat and they cut in a bit less.. or use a thick sock.
I feel them aswell but the shoe is so bouncy for me. Im like 140 pounds and heel or midfood strike. That fit perfect. Didnt feel good as a forefoot striker shoe though.
You're not alone, the very same problem here with the inner part of the two laces holes.. the lace just pokes badly on the top of my foot, maybe something with high volume or wide feet (as mine), or a design problem of the shoe, I don't know.. but I gave up on this model right at the store, just walking I felt that annoying friction, no way I could run on these any distance.. not every shoe is for every feet, unfortunately
Have a good day, from Brazil
Make sure the laces are flat when you pull them tight/ buy some better softer laces
I had problems with the lace holes also but if I make sure the laces are flat inside and don’t bunch up then they seem to do a lot better. My biggest issues is the heel-it shredded the skin on my heel. I’m going to see if I can either find different socks or a bandage that will help because I love the ride of the shoe otherwise!
With a classic mesh upper this would be Nr. 1 shoes 🔥❤
The wave rebellion flash 2 is incredible as a midfoot striker
It’s not just you! I have the exact same issue with the top shoe hole pad (only medial one) and my navicular bone is irritated. My solution at this moment is to skip the first hole (on the pad) and just put the lace through the very last one, hook it and bring the lace from inside to the mid line to tie on the tongue, if that makes sense. I don’t have pain anymore (but it looks a little ugly as the laces are just popping out from wrong places). MIZUNO could have thought about this in the development phase!
Recently got the wave rebellion pro 1. At 5:30/km pace it feels like a lighter cielo x1
Edit I can tell cielo is a bit more stable but I’ll take the lighter weight over the mild stability.
hi, i had the same one, and tried one time in a running machine. i felt nicely mostly. One thing was that when i speed up little bit, i started feeling some pain in my ankle, not too seriously. And in terms of upper body, it was feeling good to me like a custom fit. The shoe lace issue can be resolved if you make a tie at the back of your ankle. my impression on midsole is that an appropriate cushioning and repulsion when beginners or intermediates run at less than 15k.
Love your honesty about this shoe. Another great review. I’ve never owned Mizuno shoes either so would be interested in knowing more about them and would love to hear your opinions.
Wave Rebellion Pro v1 and v2 have both been stellar Mizuno shoes - very lightweight, breathable and extremely rockered. They’re my race day shoes but I’ve no interest in the Neo Vista.
The Neo was an odd one for me. I tried it on a demo run a couple months back and absolutely loved it. However, when I purchased it and ran in it a couple of times that love faded. I started to get a hot spot on the ball of my foot - I think from not being able to get the lock down right. That upper is just so constricting. I even went up a half size and still found it tight. Hopefully they’ll give us a bit more room in v2 cause I do think they’re onto something with the midsole compound.
When I see "features" like these on shoes (hard parts on flex points and stuff hanging off the shoe) and wonder how much they actually ran in these shoes in design/development or if the design team worked in a vacuum. These are things that cause problems on many different shoes (I've had issues with NB with some of these) so you would think we would stop seeing stuff like this eventually, but it just keeps happening.
I felt some pain from the same part of the upper and lacing system on right the outside of my foot. I didn't notice the pain until the end of an 8 mile run.
I had the same issue with the laces and returned the shoes after second run. After two miles I had to stop and awkwardly arrange the lace under the “tongue” to come up through the first plastic eyelet. . Unlike other lace systems the one piece upper does not lend itself to easy adaptations. Poor design.
Sent my pair back. It just didn't work for me and I felt hot spots as well.
I have heard other reviewers mention the heel and the top two lace holes as issues, so you’re not alone there. I wanted to try these on but my local specialty running store told me they wouldn’t be carrying them, even though they stock other Mizuno shoes.
Personally I've had zero issues with the laces. My issue (and it's a small one) is how hot my feet can get in them. I do find the fit is brilliant though 👌🏻
i don't know if i get along with a knit upper, because i never really had a running shoe with that. so i think i'll give it a shot (i'll just wait until mizuno releases a more appealing colour than blue or white).
always got dope ass running footage, love it!
I got to demo a few weeks ago. A great walking and recovery shoe, but a bit weird to run in when you get up to speed. Overtime the plastic plate could prove annoying, I'm a fore foot runner. Mid to heal may have different opinion. The demo guy has 400+ miles in his, so may not be the worry I was thinking. Crazy they are just EVA foam, doesn't feel that way at all.
I see a fair bit of pronation in your gait. Maybe the addition of some orthotics (if you don’t already use them ) might help the fit? Thanks for the very helpful video
Great review I was curious about this shoe!
I think this shoe make a great lifestyle, casual kick. Not so much for running in terms of problems reported by users.
Do you feel like the wide midsole platform gets in the way of the ride? Not digging this trend of supposedly neutral shoes being as wide or wider than stability shoes with respect to midsole platform
I didnt think the platform was really an issue here. For me at least.
I agree mesh would be better and i dislike when those plastic lace holes rub and hi ruby where ever you are
1:43 - 😂people need to stop saying this, shoes are wayyyy too personal to predict how someone will feel about it
Very true!
Easy pace this thing is king, but it is no tempo shoe
I’m assuming because you pronate the upper doesn’t really lock up down and the ankle collar is probably pretty rough as well.
I tired these on at my local fleet feet and they just felt unstable to my foot. I didn’t have any probs with the upper in was just standing in it.
I think this shoe is an absolute banger!! My only gripe and it's a small one is that booty upper. It makes my feet very warm! Flip side to that coin though is it's a great fit! I will be keeping it because it's a brilliant long run offering 👌🏻
I was thinking this might be a good winter shoe for when I need to run 5-6 miles on my lunch break.
@Feanaro5503 If you want a daily cruiser, then this is definitely worth considering. I wore some thinner socks the other day, and that did help with keeping my feet cooler, so if you do get them, then get some thin socks too 👍🏻
I’m seriously so glad!!! I wish I could get along with it!
If you don't like the shoe, please give us your preferred alternative shoes!
Come on now people. Get Heller to 30k.
seriously 53mm on the heel? that is high
I had gotten those measurements from running warehouse but now I see on mizunos website they’re calling it Stack Height: Forefoot 36.5mm / Heel 44.5mm
@@RunLikeHeller it's okay just asking because if it is that high I want to try it too haha. Anyway thank you for the clarification Emily
Knit upper is like playing golf with just an iron.
I don’t know why Mizuno only introduces one colorway for men and woman. This is mildly irritating.
For me it feels too soft. It compresses and does not bounce back fast enough for my tastes so kinda of disappointed
“Training for life” you know it!🔥✌🏼🇨🇦
Looks like an army boot 😂