@@SuperBigwaffle Don't even need an edu email. They don't ask for nor check. I bought my M4 iPad Pro on Apple's edu site without an edu email for $900 that came with a $100 Apple gift card.
@@MKR3238 yeah, soon as you add a bit of ram or storage, it's like just go get an older gen macbook or something. Base m4 is more than enough for probably 75%+ of users. Especially if you don't use AI much then 16gb is more than enough
It's because the others literally aren't worth buying even if you are a multimillionaire (aside from the ram if you are sure you need it). The base model is the best deal and the only reason you wouldn't get one is if you don't want to be in the apple ecosystem
As long as you are talking about the base model, the Mac Mini is possibly the best computer out there for the price to performance, along with energy draw. That said, once you upgrade it even the slightest, it's not worth it. Apple's upgrade prices are stupid extensive.
@@Athasin this but the issue is why the fuck do we need to, and why is ssd soldered anyway, it's the first thing to fail (i mean it also is the first thing you usually need to upgrade so it kinda answers)
No ads, no sponsor, straight up to the raw content of the video, sharp cut at the the, period, that's it. I love this channel because its videos hook me up even with the attention span that I have because of my ADHD.
@@bapt_andthebasses optimum is very trustworthy and has been running his channel for years - if he actively lied in his reviews, he would've been called out by now. He's just displaying the capability of the product and how good it is, which we can see because he shows us the evidence. He's also stated before that he has enough money to live well, It's unlikely he'd shell out for some extra cash he doesn't need, he's trusted for his honesty and I doubt he'd break that trust
@@athmaid no idea lmao. he himself discouraged people to not buy a collaborated product to support him, saying he's already financially stable enough to not need help. in the same video he also said he usually rejects sponsorships to make more unbiased videos
The quality of your videos is just insane. And I'm not just talking about the image quality and cinematography here. The overall aesthetic and the very calm vibe paired with real knowledge and data is just beautiful to watch. By far the best Tech-TH-camr out there imo.
If you could game on macOS like you can on Windows, I would never use a PC again. Apple’s M1 Max MacBook Pro still easily handles every workflow I throw at it, with great portability and battery life. Sure, the price is high, but it was the best tech purchase I’ve ever made.
If they competed in the gaming space it would be over for amd Nvidia but they are never going to do that but if they did it would take away choice...not sure that's altogether a good thing for consumers
The base Mac Mini is utterly perfect. Every upgrade option just makes me immediately look elsewhere. No 16 to 24GB RAM upgrade should cost me £200. When any higher end Windows mini PC from Minisforum or BeeLink will let me slap in 64 gigs and 1tb for the same money by that point.
У будь якому випадку вам будуть казати за якусь міфічну "якість" за яку ви платите, звісно єдине у чому Apple неперевершені це продати вам щось за набагато більшу ціну. Як приклад підставка для монітору.
What's really important here is the the M4 is doing this with 20W of power. Not a typo, actually twenty watts. Compare that to new x86/nVidia builds which basically need a small power station to feed them.
charging 400 dollars extra for 1tb in 2024 is such an apple thing to do, but the single core preformance is crazy that it's so much better than intel and amd still tho, their upgrade prices are absolutely insane
While true, the storage isn't that big a deal as it's a desktop so you can just put a regular m.2 nvme drive in a thunderbolt enclosure and boot externally, the real issue is the memory, for everyone who needs more than 16gb of ram the upgrade pricing is insane, eg 400 dollars just to go from 16gb to 32gb!
The base mac mini is crazy value for money. Was also interesting getting to see a little behind the scenes of your editing and 3D work, would love to see more!
Pro composer here - I really loved the music editing in this one, Ali. You have such good taste when it comes to music - clearly you're attracted to unusual, well crafted compositions, and it's admirable.
Are you a bot or what, he has a whole content team around him that works with video editing. Sure he started out himself in his first oldest videos, but this amount of subscribers and paid advertisment he ofcourse have a whole company under his youtube nickname
anytime anyone claims to be a "pro composer" or "pro tech support" or literally anything under optimum's videos, i just laugh at their comment. 99% chance youre just another college student with google search level knowledge
People never hated them because of their tech. Its always the ridiculous pricing and artificial limitations. And thats the case here too. 16gb ram just kills most workloads where the beastly m4 chip was supposed to show its power. And ofc the 24gb one is much more expensive (and even that isnt enough for many blender and video editing use cases). Its the same old apple.
Its the price, locked down walled garden, the cult mentality of their customers, and the absolute narcissism of "youre holding it wrong" - absolute disrespect. And apple hasn't innovated anything since jobs.
What innovation? They just slightly modified the chip design they got from ARM andoverpaid for it to be made with the most performant node at tsmc.theres nothing jawdropping like there was with the m1
Bought the bottom spec M2 around when those launched two years ago and it has been fantastic as a simple and quiet content consumption, chatting, and sysadmin machine. Also capable of some gaming if you really want to too. This new one looks very nice.
The storage and memory restrictions are the biggest hang ups for me to touch anything apple currently. Those along with display limitations. I had a Macbook, iMac, and 2 Mac Pros while I was back in college. All of which had 256GB or larger SSDs. Hell I even had the airport express, time capsule, and apple tv along side my iPad and iPhone. The only way I could see myself getting any of the apple silicon is if it's secondhand and manually replacing the nand cells for storage. even then I'd probably be annoyed with the lack of monitor support. Even at work I use 4 or 5 displays. I still have my old Mac Pro from 2008 that I've replaced the CPUs in, maxed out the DDR2 800, boots from PCIe ssd, with a patched kernal so it supports the Vega GPU, and has 4 hard drives. I'm glad apple is improving their CPU and GPU side but the moving away from upgradability just kills me inside. The video was great demonstrating what the new mac mini can do despite the limitations.
This thing has thunderbolt, if you really want fast storage just add an external ssd. This is the most insane tech deal for the price in quite a while.
@@gavynlen yeah with the proprietary key type to blank NAND cells you can upgrade up to 2 TB due to the limitations of the storage controller being in the CPU. Then you do a system restore over DFU mode from another apple silicon mac for around $400.
@@AryaStarky it's probably really great for a lot of people. The initial value is there. It'd be perfect for my parents in their 60s that use a single display and wifi and don't use more than like 150GB of storage. My current PC has 4 internal NVME drives for 14TB of storage, and I access my NAS over bonded 10GB SFP+ The form factor quickly becomes messy if I'm using 2 docks and 4 external drives and daisy chaining thunderbolt to have drives and additional displays and networking. It only supports 2 displays, 3 if you downgrade the refresh rate, and resolution and I currently use 4, 2 super ultrawides and 2 16:9 in portrait. So I'd need to spend $400-500 in docks and adapters and get rid of 2 displays.
It is very premium, has a hefty weight to it. However the keycaps color, I don’t feel in real life. For my taste it is too similar and still not matching. The Lekker 45v2 are alright, but I will test out the Gateron Jade Pro next week. The wrist rest doesn’t match in terms of width, which bothers me. Otherwise, it is really great and doesn’t sound as clacky as the OG Wooting.
I got the base mac mini and I'm a teacher so it was $500. It has basically replaced my PC desktop since i don't game anymore. And it has motivated me to make a competitive FPS that runs natively on Apple silicon(I'm trying to learn ue5). It can actually game very competently if games run natively. And the form factor is just awesome.
@@mich977f Agreed, but it struggles in games with much lower resolution than 4K. I cannot imagine how poorly the base M4 runs games, especially if you are accustomed to a decent GPU. I say this as someone who has currently owns the Pro version. I was shocked at how poorly it performs.
@@mich977f He said it can “game very competently.” Even if it is native, that is a stretch. If you want to double down and say that’s true, have at it. I’m not anti-Apple in any way, as I’ve had a Mac at any given time for over 20 years. I also will not be willing to agree a base M4 is a gaming machine unless you have very basic settings or are running basic games.
Have you ever thought about making material of your studio tour ? Those shots that you make and light that you have in those rooms are out of this world.
Only thing that sucks about Mac is their lack of software support towards real work softwares (Solidworks, COMSOL, Ansys, etc). They always target professionals as artists, why not target us researchers we got money to pay immidiately.
I might be wrong, but I imagine Apple has little control over this. The people behind Solidworks, Ansys and the likes choose not to develop for MacOS or Linux. This might've been because back in the day, the average Mac was less powerful to a price equivalent Windows PC. Most users of these kinds of software would opt to get a better deal, thus provide the larger market for it. Things have now changed, so it'd be nice to see these companies make their software more accesible to MacOS and Linux users. (I imagine they just ignored Linux cuz they could)
@@Derpalerpa As situation with games shows, Apple has control over this. Yes they might need to throw some money into developers to make them reconsider their choice of not developing for mac, but it's 100% possible.
i mean theres no real point in buying a mac workstation since they are legit so overpriced you can legit get a pc that is like half the price which does the same at maybe a tiny bit worse, people who buy macs just do it cuz of the whole eco system and cuz theyre bad at making financial descisions
@@naizy Software that was mentioned by upper comment is used by professionals, who can easily spend 10k$+ on workstation. So Apple prices aren't a concern for them.
You can get around the internal storage issue by getting a TB3/4 enclosure and a fast SSD and installing MacOS install to it. I've done this with an M1 Mini before and its easily one of the most cost effective solutions.
You just hit sleep on your mac and that's better as it will save your work and will wake up instantly, and because of ARM it consumes hardly any power. Maybe like 5W which is half of your router. Apple deliberately put it there because you will only use it a few times throughout the year.
4:27 LEANS IN. 0_o Thanks for covering this bro...this is the stuff I was most curious about and you are the only one who answered questions relevant to me. I use MacOS for work. Can you upload the scan you used so I can benchmark my M2 against your M4? Another big problem I have is the M2 seems to pause Fusion in the background...so I need to keep the window centered. I can't render and use email for some reason. I'm curious about that too. THANK YOU!
Considering you can buy two of these for the same price as one of them with double the base SSD and RAM, I've got to ask about the scope for clustering particularly in use cases like video rendering?
Apparently the Gaming is pretty decent on an M4, but there isn’t a lot of native stuff so its all translation layers so its not running natively. There is def some efficiency left on the table.. who knows what they can do (game developers) if they didn’t have to think about the adaptation rate.
holy shit the spec upgrade prices are absolutely insane. at max spec, u could prob build a pc with equal performance plus a whole decent peripheral setup. probably even throw in some games too
@@robertp457 this is my only real issue with going apple, their base models are simply put, bad. 256gb ssd is not enough, 16gb ram is not enough. if you want to upgrade either to a usable amount it costs hundreds of dollars extra to the point where you can build a PC for less that you can then continue to upgrade and service for years to come.
Really the thing that makes the tiny SSD In the base model completely tolerable is the fact we have fast external connections like Thunderbolt now that are basically just as good as having internal components. When you think about it, this Mac Mini is basically like a tiny barebones computer with connections for modular external expansion. You can already find expansion dock "bases" for this new mac mini that add more ports, a card reader etc. Satechi makes one with an M.2 slot in it for the old Mac Mini, so I don't doubt they'll be making one for this Mini as well.
My 2015 27" iMac was already a PC killer. I built PCs for 12 years - high end ones at that with the best parts. Finally got sick of all the maintenance of Windows, driver updates and issues, and the cost of building a similar PC setup with a good monitor was actually the same... but the iMac had a way better display, no build necessary, better OS, and way better support (when you build yourself, you are the support). It's still great to this day though I will most likely finally upgrade to a M4 computer next year...
My parents will be getting one as a replacement for their old Intel Mac Mini. It does have one design flaw in my opinion and that's the location of the power button (it's on the bottom).
@@thalberg- Yes, I was always changing mouse settings with the MX Master 3. I tried a small 1000hz polling rate mouse and that is just a better experience. Contrary to what people think, 60hz makes a low polling rate mouse look worse. Because the input delay gets amplified.
the biggest problem is that you cant color calibrated mac on normal monitors that easy also oled monitors are very expensive and not worth the combo so the best option is still getting imac 4.5k unless u want to use mac mini with your tv
it would be nice to focus not only to the power users who are like the 3-4 % of the customer base but also to the at least 90 % who will need only the basic option with some external drive. This mini is a monster
$600 specced as a web browsing machine with an overkill cpu. If you want 32 gb of ram and storage for the type of productivity that the typical buyer will never do, it reaches the price level of high end PCs which outperform it in everything except single thread.
I said that $600 is a steal. And it's by far the most powerful and efficient computer you can get at this price range, you will have to pay significantly more to get something comparable on Windows. The upgrade pricing is and have always been kind of ridiculous but most regular people will buy the base version anyways. The CPU and single core speed is very important and will decide how long the PC will last. And Mac computers already lasts forever so this $600 desktop computer is truly incredible value. Not to mention, the most impressive part which is that the computer uses just a fraction of the power that AMD/Intel/Nvidia counterparts uses, despite how good it performs.
I have been seriously contemplating buying one of these, I have a beefy gaming desktop that chews a lot of power. This would be perfect for TH-cam, League of Legends. When I need to play other games I can just use my desktop. All this power using under 20watts on the M4 Mini is crazy
I wanna get this so bad. I've been wanting to get into MacOS, I guess this could even be as portable as a laptop, just need a monitor, two cables and a dongle for peripherals.
imo the real price is £800+ since nobody will run 500GB storage, fortunately they upgraded base memory to 16GB from 8 before cuz otherwise it would be 1k. Looks great design wise (except power button)
Wish benchmarks would actually compare core v core not single thread vs single thread. X86 has hyper threading and no factoring that is a huge handicap that makes ARM look artificially faster
@@TerranViceGripIt's the sort of machine perfect for people who sit in coffee shops the whole day/high schoolers or people who only work in editing text documents. Nobody is using it for real work as any complex application uses multithreading. People like to pretend that there are a ton of photo/video editors or 3D modelers therefore it should be great, but the real numbers are far, far lower than they would pretend. TH-camrs like it because it was made for exactly them
This is probably the best computer Apple has made in years. In terms of size, performance, price. I’ve owned Macs going back to the G3/G4 years and despite me wishing they had upgradable components, I really think this is all the ‘computer’ most people could really need.
I don’t think that apples “walled garden” is quite a sound business strategy as apple thinks. I don’t even seriously consider buying any apple computers just because of all the strings attached.
The Mac isn't "walled garden" any more than Windows really, you can install / compile whatever you want on it. It's boot firmware is a little more locked down than UEFI to be fair.
I'm using Apple macbook since 2012 along with an iPad and a PC Workstation and I really have no issue switching from one and the other or sharing things between them. Sure the functionality peaks between Apple's products but nothing that could make you feel stuck or walled.
I was thinking about getting this for my minimal setup but ITX caught my eye, even though the Apple Mini CPU is good for work, I chose ITX for both work and gaming.
The end especially, you know when he's zooming out so you can see he's literally just holding it in one hand and the previous scenes were just too zoomed in to see it xD
I don't know if the Asus Tuf A1 with upgraded SSD would work on the system (never used or owned any Apple products), but if it works, I would highly recommend that as an option.
In the past they had both. The G5 for example was pretty incredible so was the Mac Pro that followed. Expandable/upgradable and beautiful in terms of designs.
@@matejmotuz108 it's overpowered for the price but apples clearly pulling punches for the form factor. They could do better and charge more but they're choosing not to because for God knows why.
@@musiclibrary5440 I recently discovered that I purchased a 2025 Mac Mini M4* product in 2024. I’m curious to know when Apple decided to enter the automotive industry.
@@Tonielaus It seems like Optimum meant to post this review in January 2025, but he didn’t schedule it correctly. This makes more sense now that we’re in November 2024.
The reason(s) the base storage is low isn’t necessarily just for iCloud storage (offloading to iCloud is extremely limited compatibility wise, and quite terrible). It’s because: 1. When your storage runs out, you must upgrade and purchase an entire computer to change your internal storage capacity. 2. Forces you to either pay a premium for the storage, or pay to go further into the lineup. It’s just really silly. Things removable but can’t be upgraded as of yet. $600 though like you said, so I reserve my judgement on the base model. Loved the shots!
There’s going to be a lot of hate for Apple in the comments, but as a life long windows user turned Mac user, this was a good watch. I also picked up a base m4 mini as my first Mac and it’s completely changed my perspective on Mac’s. This thing is actually insane. Thanks!
i think that if Apple update MacOS to modern standards in UI, OS Functionality (like evolve "finder" from current garbage to "windows explorer" level) and add more supported soft and games, they can easy take market from Microsoft. I already switched from Windows notebook to MacBook just because it is the best option in terms of quality/hardware/price. The only week spot of Apple is outdated Mac OS and software support. Switch from Windows to Mac OS was very painful.
I wouldn’t go that far. I can put 32GB of RAM and 2TB professional SSD in a computer I built myself and pay less than 256GB additional stage and 16GB additional RAM.
Honestly crazy how all that power comes at such a small price tag, especially when it seems to go on sale regularly for $500. I've always wanted to use some of the software suites Mac OS has to offer for creative workflows but could never justify it. This might get me to just take the plunge.
Because the 500$ model is just a demo unit, to try to catch you on board. Once you realize 256GB is useless you will expend double or more. It is not upgradeable, so you will have to: - Buy a bigger mode, at double or triple price. - Buy iCloud storage (the most overpriced storage in the world...) - Buy thunderbolt enclosures, which cost more than the drive itself, and are much slower and unstable anyway.
Wondering how it would perform in warm climates, like here in Brazil. My office temperature reached 30 Celsius today. My company notebook just frooze haha.
I recently picked up the M4 Pro Mini with maxed out 64GB of RAM and so far it is keeping pace surprisingly well with 3D work and motion graphics compared to my RTX 4090 laptop! A brutal Cinema 4D render is only 2x longer than using the 4090 laptop GPU. It's wild what Apple is able to pack into such a small package. And barely a whisper from the fans vs. the laptop which sounds like a jet engine LOL
the only problem with the base model is the 256gb. That turns this edition into a library terminal in terms of usefulness. As soon as you upgrade the SSD, you're no longer cost efficient.
I wish i had a usecase for the mac mini, the m4 chip is awesome in every way. Hope Arm on windows gets to this level some day. Arm and M series apple chips really are a revolution in the tech industry. Arm needs more backwards capability and software compatibility on windows sadly
5:49 "...considering that's a CPU you couldn't fit in a complete $600 PC build" No but the 7600X performs the same in and is dirt cheap right now. I like this channel but he makes some super obvious omissions sometimes.
Non, it won't kill PCs. Yes it's powerful. It's also very fast to become e-waste, thanks to zero user-friendly upgradability. Can all TH-camrs shut up about that computer already? FFS.
The Mac Mini is very weird. The M4 is godtier, but whats the point of it when you are mostly going to be limited by the 16 RAM? Like, can't really work on large 3d scenes, nor large video projects. Nor on large unreal or unity projects. And when you buy the 24gb one, it loses its economical value too.
It’s more than capable of the workflows you mentioned, even with 16gb. Also a great little machine for general software development. Just watch some tests or test it yourself.
@@tibui-c4k no its not, medium scale blender scenes take around 28gb on my pc with large scenes taking upwards of 40gb. I dont do video editing myself but the guys on my team require 32gb machines at the minimum. Ue5 with a large open world uses around 24gb. I tried opening the scene on 16gb machine and the performance was abysmal. Also for software dev, we have to run multiple android emulators at once and 16gb is far too low for that too. Same when we have to run a bunch of docker containers. This thing is good for hobbyists and light tasks like web dev maybe but definitely not for professionals and demanding tasks. And in the light tasks, the m4 is useless anyways.
My problem with Apple is that once support is gone then you’re left with a brick. Can barely open basic websites on Safari but the hardware is still capable of being a spare computer for a young kid or a HTPC but can’t even do that once support has ended
Yeah, but in multi-core performance 9950x outperforms M4 almost 3 times. The vast majority of applications work in multi-core mode, all these single-core tests are kind of meaningless in my opinion
I've seen a lot of Mac Mini content already but there isn't anyone out there I trust on mini PCs more than Optimum
Real me to 😂
Facts
The authority on making PC’s look better than companies ever could
i can't believe i'm watching an optimum reveiew on an apple product over MKMPH
For sure. Especially because he is a PC guy, rather than a pure Apple guy.
For anyone with a Costco membership it regularly goes on sale for $499.99, it is currently on sale for that price now!
Same for anyone who is a teacher/student with a .edu email as Apple provides a $100 educational discount.
Just grabbed one from Costco at that price. The price to performance is something we haven’t really seen.
@@SuperBigwaffle Don't even need an edu email. They don't ask for nor check. I bought my M4 iPad Pro on Apple's edu site without an edu email for $900 that came with a $100 Apple gift card.
Meanwhile me living in Hk 😭
@@SpaceChickenare you using that Performance though?
Rare for reviewers to review the base spec model. Good job!
it’s easily the better deal so i think all reviewers have decided it’s the one most worth buying
EVERYBODY reviews the base M4 lol. its the only one offering good value
@@MKR3238 yeah, soon as you add a bit of ram or storage, it's like just go get an older gen macbook or something. Base m4 is more than enough for probably 75%+ of users. Especially if you don't use AI much then 16gb is more than enough
It's because the others literally aren't worth buying even if you are a multimillionaire (aside from the ram if you are sure you need it). The base model is the best deal and the only reason you wouldn't get one is if you don't want to be in the apple ecosystem
@@casey206969The M4 pro with 14 cores and 48gigs is like $1500 lol. "Multimillionaire"
i love how Ali is more productive than ever in the channel now!
4 VIDEO in 14 days is just blessing
Must be the efficiency he's gaining from the Mac Mini!
When the products Launch all in the Same time.
Better then pumping out 3x per week and reheating stuff that has been Said 100x.
As long as you are talking about the base model, the Mac Mini is possibly the best computer out there for the price to performance, along with energy draw. That said, once you upgrade it even the slightest, it's not worth it. Apple's upgrade prices are stupid extensive.
Yeah $400 for a 1TB SSD is just ridiculous, just get a 1TB nVMe and a m.2 USB enclosure adapter that will run you $100 at most (including tax).
@@Athasin this but the issue is why the fuck do we need to, and why is ssd soldered anyway, it's the first thing to fail (i mean it also is the first thing you usually need to upgrade so it kinda answers)
@@ser_igelit’s not
@@ser_igelIt can be removed, but it’s proprietary.
@@ser_igelIts not soldered. SSD a non standard 😂 m2 looking board.
No ads, no sponsor, straight up to the raw content of the video, sharp cut at the the, period, that's it. I love this channel because its videos hook me up even with the attention span that I have because of my ADHD.
ever heard about undisclosed sponsors? and people lying?
@@bapt_andthebasses optimum is very trustworthy and has been running his channel for years - if he actively lied in his reviews, he would've been called out by now. He's just displaying the capability of the product and how good it is, which we can see because he shows us the evidence. He's also stated before that he has enough money to live well, It's unlikely he'd shell out for some extra cash he doesn't need, he's trusted for his honesty and I doubt he'd break that trust
@@bapt_andthebassesyes sure, Apple sponsors this random TH-camr
Now that you say it, how tf does this channel even make financial sense for him?? Or is it more of a hobby
@@athmaid no idea lmao. he himself discouraged people to not buy a collaborated product to support him, saying he's already financially stable enough to not need help. in the same video he also said he usually rejects sponsorships to make more unbiased videos
The quality of your videos is just insane. And I'm not just talking about the image quality and cinematography here. The overall aesthetic and the very calm vibe paired with real knowledge and data is just beautiful to watch. By far the best Tech-TH-camr out there imo.
not really
If you could game on macOS like you can on Windows, I would never use a PC again. Apple’s M1 Max MacBook Pro still easily handles every workflow I throw at it, with great portability and battery life. Sure, the price is high, but it was the best tech purchase I’ve ever made.
I just watched the Macbook Pro M4 Max video by MKBHD and it's really mind-blowing that the M4 Max is double the performance of the M1 Max
@@nickyyves2678 Considering M1 Max was released in 2021, it only took them 3 years to do that.
completely agree, my M2 Max MBP is incredible; will probably spring for a M6 Max upgrade in 2026, but only because their rate of progress is insane
If they competed in the gaming space it would be over for amd Nvidia but they are never going to do that but if they did it would take away choice...not sure that's altogether a good thing for consumers
nvidia geforce now
The base Mac Mini is utterly perfect. Every upgrade option just makes me immediately look elsewhere.
No 16 to 24GB RAM upgrade should cost me £200. When any higher end Windows mini PC from Minisforum or BeeLink will let me slap in 64 gigs and 1tb for the same money by that point.
Yeah but you get 1 thread which is 25% faster! lets not under play the power of the 1 thread!
@@lapis.lazuli.ideal for running apps in 2006
@@lapis.lazuli. is this ironic?
Not even 32gb and it costs 3X more than regular ram sticks?
У будь якому випадку вам будуть казати за якусь міфічну "якість" за яку ви платите, звісно єдине у чому Apple неперевершені це продати вам щось за набагато більшу ціну. Як приклад підставка для монітору.
What's really important here is the the M4 is doing this with 20W of power. Not a typo, actually twenty watts. Compare that to new x86/nVidia builds which basically need a small power station to feed them.
charging 400 dollars extra for 1tb in 2024 is such an apple thing to do, but the single core preformance is crazy that it's so much better than intel and amd
still tho, their upgrade prices are absolutely insane
While true, the storage isn't that big a deal as it's a desktop so you can just put a regular m.2 nvme drive in a thunderbolt enclosure and boot externally, the real issue is the memory, for everyone who needs more than 16gb of ram the upgrade pricing is insane, eg 400 dollars just to go from 16gb to 32gb!
cry about grade prices
The base mac mini is crazy value for money. Was also interesting getting to see a little behind the scenes of your editing and 3D work, would love to see more!
5000 dollar for a mini pc craaazy value hunny
@@majbrittsvensson 600$?
@@majbrittsvensson u can't read the word 'base' ?
@@zadsazhad UH U CENT REED THE WORD BUUUSE UUUUUHHH
@@majbrittsvensson are u special?
Pro composer here - I really loved the music editing in this one, Ali. You have such good taste when it comes to music - clearly you're attracted to unusual, well crafted compositions, and it's admirable.
Hey man thank you. Glad that you like my choices bro. Bless you. I work hard
Are you a bot or what, he has a whole content team around him that works with video editing. Sure he started out himself in his first oldest videos, but this amount of subscribers and paid advertisment he ofcourse have a whole company under his youtube nickname
@@usemorebrainplz-is7gy ? I'm pretty sure he does everything himself buddy
Do y'all know if the music at 0:25 is just some b-roll music or if it's an actual track? If it's a track, I need the naaaaaaame.
anytime anyone claims to be a "pro composer" or "pro tech support" or literally anything under optimum's videos, i just laugh at their comment. 99% chance youre just another college student with google search level knowledge
Bro is giving us a cinematic experience on a weekly basis so good I would pay to watch
The production quality of Optimum's videos never fails to amaze me. Not to mention the details, great explanations and practical use cases
You are one of the best reviewers out there. Clean video, pure review, no bs music, no dumb jokes.
People love to hate Apple, but we can’t deny, when they innovate they do it right.
People never hated them because of their tech. Its always the ridiculous pricing and artificial limitations. And thats the case here too. 16gb ram just kills most workloads where the beastly m4 chip was supposed to show its power. And ofc the 24gb one is much more expensive (and even that isnt enough for many blender and video editing use cases). Its the same old apple.
Especially the SFF/MFF community. PC builders are scared of this Mchip
Its the price, locked down walled garden, the cult mentality of their customers, and the absolute narcissism of "youre holding it wrong" - absolute disrespect.
And apple hasn't innovated anything since jobs.
What innovation? They just slightly modified the chip design they got from ARM andoverpaid for it to be made with the most performant node at tsmc.theres nothing jawdropping like there was with the m1
@@askeladden450 absolute facts.
Bought the bottom spec M2 around when those launched two years ago and it has been fantastic as a simple and quiet content consumption, chatting, and sysadmin machine. Also capable of some gaming if you really want to too. This new one looks very nice.
Have to be honest, apple cooked with how optimum the Mac mini is.
*dies from cringe*
The storage and memory restrictions are the biggest hang ups for me to touch anything apple currently. Those along with display limitations.
I had a Macbook, iMac, and 2 Mac Pros while I was back in college. All of which had 256GB or larger SSDs.
Hell I even had the airport express, time capsule, and apple tv along side my iPad and iPhone.
The only way I could see myself getting any of the apple silicon is if it's secondhand and manually replacing the nand cells for storage. even then I'd probably be annoyed with the lack of monitor support. Even at work I use 4 or 5 displays.
I still have my old Mac Pro from 2008 that I've replaced the CPUs in, maxed out the DDR2 800, boots from PCIe ssd, with a patched kernal so it supports the Vega GPU, and has 4 hard drives.
I'm glad apple is improving their CPU and GPU side but the moving away from upgradability just kills me inside.
The video was great demonstrating what the new mac mini can do despite the limitations.
This thing has thunderbolt, if you really want fast storage just add an external ssd. This is the most insane tech deal for the price in quite a while.
You can change the internal storage now
@@gavynlen yeah with the proprietary key type to blank NAND cells you can upgrade up to 2 TB due to the limitations of the storage controller being in the CPU. Then you do a system restore over DFU mode from another apple silicon mac for around $400.
@@AryaStarky it's probably really great for a lot of people. The initial value is there. It'd be perfect for my parents in their 60s that use a single display and wifi and don't use more than like 150GB of storage.
My current PC has 4 internal NVME drives for 14TB of storage, and I access my NAS over bonded 10GB SFP+
The form factor quickly becomes messy if I'm using 2 docks and 4 external drives and daisy chaining thunderbolt to have drives and additional displays and networking.
It only supports 2 displays, 3 if you downgrade the refresh rate, and resolution and I currently use 4, 2 super ultrawides and 2 16:9 in portrait. So I'd need to spend $400-500 in docks and adapters and get rid of 2 displays.
I think we need a thunderbolt enclosure that can hold multiple PCIE gen4 SSDs. Then the storage issue will be solved.
The PC: $599
The monitor: $1599
you dont have to buy an apple monitor you can just get any monitor
a 1TB SSD from Apple, is $400. my god. 1 TB !!!!
Its apples 1TB. 1 TB on apple = 1 Exabyte on windows.
@@korosoidnope
@@blueninja5194 apple invented "nope"
Best of it the storage is upgradable, third parties are making a 1/2 TB for it :D
@@StreamerTVhow long until apple bricks 3rd party SSDs for "security reasons"
when a PC builder guru does Mac stuff.
Great Content!
Just recieved my Optimum Wooting ❤
how is it?
It is very premium, has a hefty weight to it. However the keycaps color, I don’t feel in real life. For my taste it is too similar and still not matching. The Lekker 45v2 are alright, but I will test out the Gateron Jade Pro next week. The wrist rest doesn’t match in terms of width, which bothers me. Otherwise, it is really great and doesn’t sound as clacky as the OG Wooting.
I got the base mac mini and I'm a teacher so it was $500. It has basically replaced my PC desktop since i don't game anymore. And it has motivated me to make a competitive FPS that runs natively on Apple silicon(I'm trying to learn ue5). It can actually game very competently if games run natively. And the form factor is just awesome.
Define “very competently.” I had the M4 Pro and it does not hold a candle to a gaming PC, even running native games.
@@jmilesfox Not everyone needs Triple A graphics, 4K with 240hz+. It can run most of the most popular games just fine.
@@mich977f Agreed, but it struggles in games with much lower resolution than 4K. I cannot imagine how poorly the base M4 runs games, especially if you are accustomed to a decent GPU. I say this as someone who has currently owns the Pro version. I was shocked at how poorly it performs.
@@jmilesfox I understand that, but someone who just plays games like League of Legends for example, wouldn't need anything above the base model.
@@mich977f He said it can “game very competently.” Even if it is native, that is a stretch. If you want to double down and say that’s true, have at it. I’m not anti-Apple in any way, as I’ve had a Mac at any given time for over 20 years. I also will not be willing to agree a base M4 is a gaming machine unless you have very basic settings or are running basic games.
Video production insane as always, keep it up!
Have you ever thought about making material of your studio tour ? Those shots that you make and light that you have in those rooms are out of this world.
Ngl it's scary how fast optimum is pumping out so premium content. Mad respect
6:12 pocket lion
Only thing that sucks about Mac is their lack of software support towards real work softwares (Solidworks, COMSOL, Ansys, etc). They always target professionals as artists, why not target us researchers we got money to pay immidiately.
What do those real softwares need?
I might be wrong, but I imagine Apple has little control over this. The people behind Solidworks, Ansys and the likes choose not to develop for MacOS or Linux. This might've been because back in the day, the average Mac was less powerful to a price equivalent Windows PC. Most users of these kinds of software would opt to get a better deal, thus provide the larger market for it. Things have now changed, so it'd be nice to see these companies make their software more accesible to MacOS and Linux users.
(I imagine they just ignored Linux cuz they could)
@@Derpalerpa As situation with games shows, Apple has control over this. Yes they might need to throw some money into developers to make them reconsider their choice of not developing for mac, but it's 100% possible.
i mean theres no real point in buying a mac workstation since they are legit so overpriced you can legit get a pc that is like half the price which does the same at maybe a tiny bit worse, people who buy macs just do it cuz of the whole eco system and cuz theyre bad at making financial descisions
@@naizy Software that was mentioned by upper comment is used by professionals, who can easily spend 10k$+ on workstation. So Apple prices aren't a concern for them.
The apple mac mini is really underrated
You can get around the internal storage issue by getting a TB3/4 enclosure and a fast SSD and installing MacOS install to it. I've done this with an M1 Mini before and its easily one of the most cost effective solutions.
See how he didn't even mention the power button at the bottom & understands its just a marketing thing.
Mac users don't care coz we rarely use it. It wasn't an issue. People just made content about it to generate audience engagement.
Wait what
@@joshtomato It can be an issue if you mount it behind the monitor. But in case of mac mini it's uncommon setup.
You just hit sleep on your mac and that's better as it will save your work and will wake up instantly, and because of ARM it consumes hardly any power. Maybe like 5W which is half of your router. Apple deliberately put it there because you will only use it a few times throughout the year.
@@SahilP2648 the mac mini is actually insane, it uses 0W when in sleep mode. it will occasionally go to 1W but in general it will be at 0W
4:27 LEANS IN. 0_o Thanks for covering this bro...this is the stuff I was most curious about and you are the only one who answered questions relevant to me. I use MacOS for work. Can you upload the scan you used so I can benchmark my M2 against your M4? Another big problem I have is the M2 seems to pause Fusion in the background...so I need to keep the window centered. I can't render and use email for some reason. I'm curious about that too. THANK YOU!
2:40 just download more? Idk what the problem is with that
I have a 9800x3d but may grab the m4 mac for 3d from lychee/chitubox/fusion and bambu studio.
man i love how high quality your content always is
What's the color temperature of the lights in your studio? It look like a nice environment to work in.
I thought that was Apple's B roll on their mac mini for a moment. Amazing photography work.
Considering you can buy two of these for the same price as one of them with double the base SSD and RAM, I've got to ask about the scope for clustering particularly in use cases like video rendering?
This is literally the best review of mac mini, now u convinced me to buy one for my 3D workflow as a student. The price is the main reason
Apparently the Gaming is pretty decent on an M4, but there isn’t a lot of native stuff so its all translation layers so its not running natively. There is def some efficiency left on the table.. who knows what they can do (game developers) if they didn’t have to think about the adaptation rate.
God I love the aesthetic of your channel and your studio etc.
lookin sterile like some Aperture Science type shit
holy shit the spec upgrade prices are absolutely insane. at max spec, u could prob build a pc with equal performance plus a whole decent peripheral setup. probably even throw in some games too
The way RAM is shared across the whole platform, I can MAYBE justify the cost to upgrade. But the storage upgrade is ludicrous
No way. RAM is cheap. Why would you pay $200 to upgrade? It’s just rewarding Apple.
@@robertp457 this is my only real issue with going apple, their base models are simply put, bad. 256gb ssd is not enough, 16gb ram is not enough. if you want to upgrade either to a usable amount it costs hundreds of dollars extra to the point where you can build a PC for less that you can then continue to upgrade and service for years to come.
It's actually not good, since in a normal computer you have much more RAM to work with, if it's shared it's less RAM overall
@@LeonOwO So... who is stopping you from building a computer?
@@jefferyG499 i did, and i use it every day.
Really the thing that makes the tiny SSD In the base model completely tolerable is the fact we have fast external connections like Thunderbolt now that are basically just as good as having internal components. When you think about it, this Mac Mini is basically like a tiny barebones computer with connections for modular external expansion. You can already find expansion dock "bases" for this new mac mini that add more ports, a card reader etc. Satechi makes one with an M.2 slot in it for the old Mac Mini, so I don't doubt they'll be making one for this Mini as well.
apple needs to hire this man for their teasers
My 2015 27" iMac was already a PC killer. I built PCs for 12 years - high end ones at that with the best parts. Finally got sick of all the maintenance of Windows, driver updates and issues, and the cost of building a similar PC setup with a good monitor was actually the same... but the iMac had a way better display, no build necessary, better OS, and way better support (when you build yourself, you are the support). It's still great to this day though I will most likely finally upgrade to a M4 computer next year...
Apple finally worked hard enough to deserve Lord Optimum’s attention. ❤❤❤
My parents will be getting one as a replacement for their old Intel Mac Mini. It does have one design flaw in my opinion and that's the location of the power button (it's on the bottom).
Finally someone that understands that an MX Master with an Apple Studio Display is a subpar experience.
Why exactly? Is it the polling rate?
@@thalberg- Yes, I was always changing mouse settings with the MX Master 3. I tried a small 1000hz polling rate mouse and that is just a better experience.
Contrary to what people think, 60hz makes a low polling rate mouse look worse. Because the input delay gets amplified.
the biggest problem is that you cant color calibrated mac on normal monitors that easy also oled monitors are very expensive and not worth the combo so the best option is still getting imac 4.5k unless u want to use mac mini with your tv
it would be nice to focus not only to the power users who are like the 3-4 % of the customer base but also to the at least 90 % who will need only the basic option with some external drive. This mini is a monster
80% dont even need the M4 mimi
@ if u fail to understand the word , google it and don’t ridicule yourself.
Yes, 80% would be satisfied with a phone.
Maybe not even an external drive, depending on whether they are into photos or video.
@@LishtenbirdTech yes if you can barely pay your rent and watching tik tok all day long.
Have you checked any of the Beelink configurations? Would be interested on your thoughts.
The $600 price is a steal, it's almost like they made a typo when setting the price for this thing. And this is even Apple.
$600 specced as a web browsing machine with an overkill cpu. If you want 32 gb of ram and storage for the type of productivity that the typical buyer will never do, it reaches the price level of high end PCs which outperform it in everything except single thread.
@@getrekkedon 16 gigs is enough for 99% of people
I said that $600 is a steal. And it's by far the most powerful and efficient computer you can get at this price range, you will have to pay significantly more to get something comparable on Windows. The upgrade pricing is and have always been kind of ridiculous but most regular people will buy the base version anyways. The CPU and single core speed is very important and will decide how long the PC will last. And Mac computers already lasts forever so this $600 desktop computer is truly incredible value.
Not to mention, the most impressive part which is that the computer uses just a fraction of the power that AMD/Intel/Nvidia counterparts uses, despite how good it performs.
I have been seriously contemplating buying one of these, I have a beefy gaming desktop that chews a lot of power. This would be perfect for TH-cam, League of Legends. When I need to play other games I can just use my desktop. All this power using under 20watts on the M4 Mini is crazy
I wanna get this so bad. I've been wanting to get into MacOS, I guess this could even be as portable as a laptop, just need a monitor, two cables and a dongle for peripherals.
Same, would an m4 MacBook Air be worth it though compared to it?
@@GmasterCrafter Depends on what your needs are
@@v0.1-y1j yeah case of portability. What I wonder is is that price difference worth it in the long run.
used m1 macbooks are incredibly cheap right now. Still very good battery life and amazing screen + speakers
Great to see a reasonable review of this little unit. The other PC lover boys will be making videos about how it's not great compared to a $10,000 PC.
What software do you use for 3D modeling ?
imo the real price is £800+ since nobody will run 500GB storage, fortunately they upgraded base memory to 16GB from 8 before cuz otherwise it would be 1k. Looks great design wise (except power button)
it has 256 actually in base, not 512 gb.
"nobody will run 500GB storage" you overestimate the storage needs for a lot of users.
i have 320 gb left from my main use 512 gb mac lol
What huge video project can your M1 Max not handle ? I dont have one but it seems amazing for almost any video project from what i can see.
But can it run crisis?
i saw this comment coming a mile away
yes
*Cyberpunk 2077 Get with the times. An integrated Intel GPU can run Crysis now.
Wish benchmarks would actually compare core v core not single thread vs single thread. X86 has hyper threading and no factoring that is a huge handicap that makes ARM look artificially faster
Having SMT does not matter that if hot path of program you're running is single thread?
@ most serious programs have multi threading
@@TerranViceGripIt's the sort of machine perfect for people who sit in coffee shops the whole day/high schoolers or people who only work in editing text documents. Nobody is using it for real work as any complex application uses multithreading. People like to pretend that there are a ton of photo/video editors or 3D modelers therefore it should be great, but the real numbers are far, far lower than they would pretend. TH-camrs like it because it was made for exactly them
This is probably the best computer Apple has made in years. In terms of size, performance, price. I’ve owned Macs going back to the G3/G4 years and despite me wishing they had upgradable components, I really think this is all the ‘computer’ most people could really need.
What hardware and software do you recommend for scanning to create 3D models? Recommendations for free (if any) and paid software/app?
I don’t think that apples “walled garden” is quite a sound business strategy as apple thinks. I don’t even seriously consider buying any apple computers just because of all the strings attached.
The Mac isn't "walled garden" any more than Windows really, you can install / compile whatever you want on it. It's boot firmware is a little more locked down than UEFI to be fair.
Aren't they literally world's largest company in the world? I'm pretty sure they are doing fine.
Oh no! Quick! Somebody get Tim Cook on the line! Apple is losing the crucial @ccr_noctu market!
Calm down sweetheart, no one cares about you
I'm using Apple macbook since 2012 along with an iPad and a PC Workstation and I really have no issue switching from one and the other or sharing things between them. Sure the functionality peaks between Apple's products but nothing that could make you feel stuck or walled.
@@VascovanZellerNo they aren't . Nvidia are. Kind of ironic too when apple don't support CUDA which is being 95% of the worlds AI .
seeing optimum using a g304/5 for work makes sense, now for gaming on the other hand
i swear if apple teamed up with amd to make an x3d chip we'd have a revolutionary piece of hardware... at nvidia prices
Why would AMD team up with anyone when they literally have the best gaming CPU on the market? And noone is even close...
I was thinking about getting this for my minimal setup but ITX caught my eye, even though the Apple Mini CPU is good for work, I chose ITX for both work and gaming.
bro your intro is far better than apple teaser ads
The end especially, you know when he's zooming out so you can see he's literally just holding it in one hand and the previous scenes were just too zoomed in to see it xD
I don't know if the Asus Tuf A1 with upgraded SSD would work on the system (never used or owned any Apple products), but if it works, I would highly recommend that as an option.
Imagine what apple could do if they cared more about function over form
In the past they had both. The G5 for example was pretty incredible so was the Mac Pro that followed. Expandable/upgradable and beautiful in terms of designs.
That's a weird way of saying they scam people on good looking underpowered devices
@@matejmotuz108 it's not underpowered AT ALL
@@matejmotuz108 it's overpowered for the price but apples clearly pulling punches for the form factor. They could do better and charge more but they're choosing not to because for God knows why.
😂 it’s literally smashing every performance metric while also looking better than anything else on the market.
PC Stans addicted to copium.
I wonder if the m4 pro can play back DR. Since the m4 struggled.
8:30 in 2025?
This product is targeting the 2025 year
2024 it’s almost over
@@musiclibrary5440 I recently discovered that I purchased a 2025 Mac Mini M4* product in 2024. I’m curious to know when Apple decided to enter the automotive industry.
@@Tonielaus It seems like Optimum meant to post this review in January 2025, but he didn’t schedule it correctly. This makes more sense now that we’re in November 2024.
Are you not gonna try the mixed out m4 pro with full options? It’s like 7000 usd+, i wonder how much faster it is
$400 for 16GB of extra RAM. I'm just not gonna bother with Apple 😮💨
The reason(s) the base storage is low isn’t necessarily just for iCloud storage (offloading to iCloud is extremely limited compatibility wise, and quite terrible).
It’s because:
1. When your storage runs out, you must upgrade and purchase an entire computer to change your internal storage capacity.
2. Forces you to either pay a premium for the storage, or pay to go further into the lineup.
It’s just really silly. Things removable but can’t be upgraded as of yet.
$600 though like you said, so I reserve my judgement on the base model. Loved the shots!
"PC killer" is also (kind of) a hyperbolic statement in any circumstance. Each certainly has its place.
Dude the sheer quality of your videos always get me hooked!
There’s going to be a lot of hate for Apple in the comments, but as a life long windows user turned Mac user, this was a good watch. I also picked up a base m4 mini as my first Mac and it’s completely changed my perspective on Mac’s. This thing is actually insane.
Thanks!
i think that if Apple update MacOS to modern standards in UI, OS Functionality (like evolve "finder" from current garbage to "windows explorer" level) and add more supported soft and games, they can easy take market from Microsoft. I already switched from Windows notebook to MacBook just because it is the best option in terms of quality/hardware/price. The only week spot of Apple is outdated Mac OS and software support. Switch from Windows to Mac OS was very painful.
I purchased the base model, best decision I ever made and I was an anti-mac.
May god have mercy on your soul if you ever need an upgrade
I have my gaminc pc for my gaming and tinkering needs.for everything else, mac just runs well.
paid shill
Can you test the latency of a new Apple Magic Keyboard with Touch ID (USB-C) in wired mode?
This is JUST the 600€ base model, not the Pro and not the Max. Apple is going absolutely crazy crushing Intel and AMD for sure.
I wouldn’t go that far. I can put 32GB of RAM and 2TB professional SSD in a computer I built myself and pay less than 256GB additional stage and 16GB additional RAM.
Honestly crazy how all that power comes at such a small price tag, especially when it seems to go on sale regularly for $500. I've always wanted to use some of the software suites Mac OS has to offer for creative workflows but could never justify it. This might get me to just take the plunge.
Because the 500$ model is just a demo unit, to try to catch you on board. Once you realize 256GB is useless you will expend double or more. It is not upgradeable, so you will have to:
- Buy a bigger mode, at double or triple price.
- Buy iCloud storage (the most overpriced storage in the world...)
- Buy thunderbolt enclosures, which cost more than the drive itself, and are much slower and unstable anyway.
I feel like I know everything about this Mac. But I can't avoid this guy's review
Wondering how it would perform in warm climates, like here in Brazil. My office temperature reached 30 Celsius today. My company notebook just frooze haha.
non upgradable parts just to squeeze more profit out of consumers? hard pass
I recently picked up the M4 Pro Mini with maxed out 64GB of RAM and so far it is keeping pace surprisingly well with 3D work and motion graphics compared to my RTX 4090 laptop! A brutal Cinema 4D render is only 2x longer than using the 4090 laptop GPU. It's wild what Apple is able to pack into such a small package. And barely a whisper from the fans vs. the laptop which sounds like a jet engine LOL
Love the single core performance...when I revisit 2005.
the only problem with the base model is the 256gb. That turns this edition into a library terminal in terms of usefulness. As soon as you upgrade the SSD, you're no longer cost efficient.
An M4 Mac Mini is 5 inches by 5 inches in width and length. Thus the diagonal would be approximately 7 inches.
You know what else is 7 inches? 🌚
I wish i had a usecase for the mac mini, the m4 chip is awesome in every way. Hope Arm on windows gets to this level some day. Arm and M series apple chips really are a revolution in the tech industry. Arm needs more backwards capability and software compatibility on windows sadly
5:49 "...considering that's a CPU you couldn't fit in a complete $600 PC build"
No but the 7600X performs the same in and is dirt cheap right now.
I like this channel but he makes some super obvious omissions sometimes.
Wait, would the max CPU + GPU options for this beat the 7995WX? I imagine so but I'm not super sure 🤔
Non, it won't kill PCs. Yes it's powerful. It's also very fast to become e-waste, thanks to zero user-friendly upgradability. Can all TH-camrs shut up about that computer already? FFS.
Do you plan on reviewing the meshless md280?
The Mac Mini is very weird. The M4 is godtier, but whats the point of it when you are mostly going to be limited by the 16 RAM? Like, can't really work on large 3d scenes, nor large video projects. Nor on large unreal or unity projects. And when you buy the 24gb one, it loses its economical value too.
Maybe for their AI stuff, I don't know.
At this point I think its impressive it has 16 gb of ram, I was betting it would launch with 8.
It’s more than capable of the workflows you mentioned, even with 16gb. Also a great little machine for general software development. Just watch some tests or test it yourself.
@@tibui-c4k no its not, medium scale blender scenes take around 28gb on my pc with large scenes taking upwards of 40gb. I dont do video editing myself but the guys on my team require 32gb machines at the minimum. Ue5 with a large open world uses around 24gb. I tried opening the scene on 16gb machine and the performance was abysmal. Also for software dev, we have to run multiple android emulators at once and 16gb is far too low for that too. Same when we have to run a bunch of docker containers. This thing is good for hobbyists and light tasks like web dev maybe but definitely not for professionals and demanding tasks. And in the light tasks, the m4 is useless anyways.
My problem with Apple is that once support is gone then you’re left with a brick. Can barely open basic websites on Safari but the hardware is still capable of being a spare computer for a young kid or a HTPC but can’t even do that once support has ended
Yeah, but in multi-core performance 9950x outperforms M4 almost 3 times. The vast majority of applications work in multi-core mode, all these single-core tests are kind of meaningless in my opinion
True but it isnt the m4 pro or max chip just the base m4
As it should, considering that the 9950x alone costs as much as the entire mac mini...
i would hope that a CPU that costs $100 more than this entire computer had more total performance lol
This is an invalid comparison. The cpu costs more than the whole PC. This is also the base m4 chip
another day, another bullshit argument