I BOUGHT A CHURCH ORGAN PART 13 - MAKING IT LESS NOISY
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มี.ค. 2023
- TIME TO MAKE THE ORGAN LESS NOISY.
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This vid is a halfway measure, more to come! definitely a marked improvement, 1 step back then next vid 2 steps forwards!
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There has been comments about my statement on keeping it original is inconsistent with what i've done with the electronics and the LED's. i just want to say i disagree. I dont think its inconsistent. the console is even rewired to be modern electronics. The rats nest of wiring from the 70's has been removed yes. But its more a statement about the console which is the main interface device, and keeping that original, warts and all. this is the part that people touched and used. it holds the story thats why it would be horrid to revamp it. This project is not about keeping it original but building on the machine but keeping true to its story.
Also the comments about the blower running out of air in the store cupboard are vastly over estimating its ability to try and make a vacuum chamber! Besides the cupboard is relatively large and has a false ceiling. Getting air is the least of its worries.
Great Job! For the blower maybe check if you "just" need to change the bearings
@@tesicnr its probable! but im hoping to have a spare so if i take it apart and it needs a lot of work the organ isn't indefinitely out of action if you catch me drift, since i have 1, i cant take it to pieces.
That art on the Tee looks great! Tee-shirt looked a bit on the baggy side but will see the actual fit when I get it 😀
@@bunker1213 nice! yeah drawn by me mate johnny goddard
Personally I would keep the blower as it is ( and of coure maintain it functioning ). I like the bzzz that makes when it's speeding up since from part 2 hahahah
I think it would be cool if the "organist that knows what they're doing" is Anna Lapwood. Me and probably a bunch of others here know her from the TH-cam algorithm recommending her repeatedly after you bought Joan's organ. Anna appears to play regularly in Royal Albert Hall and it would be smashing to hear her comparison on massive organ in a concert hall, vs smaller organ in a way too small room. Also it could be a fun mix with your modern bleep blop music vs Anna's more classical/movie soundtrack style.
yep ofcourse, i fired an email over recently. who knows lets see.
Yeah, let's hope she'll consider Sams small organ.
@@the_jcbone He said earlier that it is a "relatively small" organ, so who knows!!🤣
@@the_jcbone Yep, there just had to be a "Sam's organ" double entendre sometime.
YES
Even out of tune the organ sounds absolutely beautiful.
Agreed! Beautiful and organic.
Right??? They literally can't record actual pipe organs besides this one it's absolutely genius!!! And totally sets precident for home pipe organs!!!!
I AGREE!!! Its come a LONG WAY!!
Really love them wood pipes.
The wooden pipes sounded more in tune
When do we get the full "I BOUGHT A CHURCH ORGAN" movie? Will it be at film festivals?
Would look good with a stained glass effect panel in a LMNC theme in that bit over the keyboard. Would still be see through and in keeping with church organs roots.
actually thinking of making a backlit stained glass window on the wall!
Scaled down rose window FTW. Some blasphemous imagery involving electronics and synths
@@rikardottosson1272 Don't want to start any blasphemous rumours.
I like this idea 💜
Maybe something with a miniature caricature of the organ, or an ode to Joan
Haven't seen anyone wire wrap a loom like that since my days in avionics repair! Not very many techs could make it look so smooth.
It didn't look that uniform when I started lacing a year ago haha: slowly getting neater
Definitely beats cable ties!
I've only recently found your channel. Everything from arduino sequencers to church organs.... The depth of your knowledge, talent, passion and your brilliant ability to convey knowledge blows me away. Your channel is an example of the best of what youtube can be. You're an effing star. Thanks for taking the time to make your videos.
To me he is one of the classic youtubers, so glad he managed to stay the same in a way. Production value went up but the contents stay interesting to me. Really a good guy who I will always be excited about what he comes up with next.
lovely put
Thanks for showing us your huge organ again 👍
This is the channel I never grow tired off. The attitude (positive and friendly), the playfulness, the inventiveness, the fun, the can do.
Thanks for spreading joy. To me this is the essence of music, the energy.
What an amazing transformation. Sometimes tucking the problem in the closet is just what you need. I can't wait to see who you get to collab with from the professional organist community.
Requesting Diana Bish.
Anna Lapwood!
even with the tuning being worse the sound is still nicer imo without all the background noise the fan made. it's going to be really nice when you get all the little details fixed
Your perseverance on this project deserves recognition from your government 😊 thank you for sharing!
It was to be demolished with the church and Joan saved it, then you saved it. It'll never be perfect but it's alive. It doesn't matter how clean it is or isn't
How has it taken me this long to realize your hymn board numbers are meme primes minus one?!
Keep up the great work, man!
Oh wow! I've always wondered whether they had any relevance, or if they were just random!!
I just saw that too lol
Thanks! I was going to ask what they meant.
I didn't even knew until now what this board with number was and thought I missed some inner joke from earlier episodes
I love the "not quite" numbers over the organ. Please never change them ;)
When people are trying to explain electronics they often use water or air as an analogy to make the concepts more relatable. You do the opposite. Love it. The more ways we have to understand the world the better we understand it.
we need to hear @AnnaLapwoodOrgan play on this thing when it's done!
Functionality, but with originality, is the way to go.
I’m a church organist, and part of the enjoyment from visiting other instruments is experiencing first hand the history - often written in pencil on the inside of the pipe chest.
Thanks for saving this amazing piece of audio engineering.
every new video of this saga just gets more and more glorious
Yes yes Sam, Vivaldi background music making this project even more epic
Finally noticed the hymn numbers. Nice.
There is something about "upgrading" an old instrument with the new electronics without making it look like a plastic mould of an old instrument that is very nostalgic. Most old things get thrown away or they are inefficient to use with modern needs, but you managed to bring the organ back to 2023. Loved the outro about the organ playing! Also the LEDs are perfect, this is in fact TH-cam and if anyone are offended, they should listen to the radio!
you could add a live video feed of the blower apparatus into the organ room to keep it in the display
0:40 never realized until now, just how much I appreciate the looks of an old-school wiring loom.
Maybe you could show the blower/bellows on a CCTV display at the organ ?
The console, of course, needs to rise slowly out of the floor when you start to play.
Good idea. Not thought of that one
th-cam.com/video/Ce7USPnHZMA/w-d-xo.html
I LOVE that you properly loom your wiring old school, so much better that way!
You're still extremely diligent on this project, so happy to see how far you've come.
I love the "whatever works" attitude
This project has heart and soul. I´ll visit your museum for sure once I´m around!
It's all progress.
& You've learned a fair bit about church organs!
I spend too much time on TH-cam but this is one of the few things that I stop everything I'm doing and watch whenever there's an update. I don't know how popular this project is in comparison to your others, but for me, it's been so amazing to watch!
In the end you might find you can sort the reservoir out so it can be moved closer to the pipes without getting too much noise (if you have a problem with air supply to the pipes). The organs I've seen all have the blower in a separate room because of the noise, but the reservoirs are usually in the pipe chambers with a really short run to the wind chests.
Yep. If when all pipes are running it's a problem I'll either put it closer or more wires. It's so close I don't think it's gunna be an issue
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER it was only an analogy. Tubes aren't actually wires, silly.
@@NOLAfugee language is language you know what I meant. Partially the fact I commit to practical as I am a jumble with words and you know what I meant.
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER you forgot for a moment that you're working as a plumber more than an electrician on this job. Keep up the good work.
Maybe a better solution is to go bigger, not more, with a wider pipe from the cupboard to the organ room. I'm sure flow rate charts are available somewhere on the internet.
I keep expecting to see a piece of red/pink on white embroidery in a wooden frame saying 'Joan, sweet Joan' at some point in these videos.
Maybe one for us fans?
I absolutely adore the Frankensteininess of this organ! Giving something old a new life with new technology is just so cool!
I put a pipe organ in my church in 1978 and later moved it to the new building in 1984. The ivories look yellow but that's the way they were. A few years later we got a new music director and she said to leave the roll top cover open and the ivories will bleach out due to ambient IR. I said to myself, yeah right. But, a few years later the ivories we much whiter, actually almost perfect. Wow! Thanks Linda for the tip.
Pipe organs are for devoted people, no one in this world could say you are not. It has so much soul, all his past, and your touch.
Sam without you that organ’s days would have already ended long ago. With the love you’ve given it will now live to play music for many more days! Love what you’ve done with it!
Can we get just one more chorus of “🎶 Sam you just don’t know what your doing…..🎶🎶” 🤣
I can't wait until the world has access to this. What fun!! Imagine being able to play your own composition or lay a track down, have that recorded on a mic, sent to you by email and then do what you want with it! The viral demand could be astonishing. Automate that, manage the access and what a great way to raise funds.
If you see this Sam, an idea for the pipes I had goes like this: PVC, but instead of PVC cement on the joints/couplers (permanent bonding), you use a bit of silicone caulk OUTSIDE the connection. Air tight (don't try with water) and removable. If you need to cut the PVC to length, it can always be coupled back together for full length. You can use the PVC as a manifold to connect to the flexible hoses you already have.
Just some theory crafting. I agree with your statements/thought-process on keeping the soul of the instrument in the looks department but making it more functional with the electronics. Wish you luck and thanks for the content!
I love Joan's organ just the way it is. Tells a real story.
My cat has runned away hahaha But great job! Beautiful organ, and you are a Genius!
Switched on Vivaldi is fucking epic. From a lifetime of classical influence, study, and eventually electronic production and sound design. You're a bloody superhero mate
You can always put a camera on the windchest and put a screen up in the organ room if you want people to see that bit working while they use the organ.
And that is exactly why so many organs have their own HVAC systems - helps keep them in some semblance of tune!
If you look at Rob Scallon's video where he tours a pipe organ, each room of ranks has a heater in it.
I would love to see Anna Lapwood play the Organ once it is finished.
Yes! Get the BBC on to this because everyone should see this EPIC journey!
Getting Anna Lapwood to play it was my first thought as well :)
Was just about to comment this 👌
I can’t help wondering how much these videos have bolstered Anna’s channel.. I certainly hadn’t heard of her until the algorithm started flagging up her channel shortly after I subscribed to this one (not, I should add, that I haven’t been glad to make the discovery)
It so needs to happen! - her second album could be "The Museum Sessions" 😅😅😅
Great work, Sam. You've put so much into giving Joan's organ a new life. Saved from the scrap, entertaining (and educating) people again. Brilliant!
This was definitely a labor of love. I can't imagine anyone else in the universe putting as much time & effort in this project as you did. You have the patience of a saint! The end product is magic. I am proud of you.
Seeing the bellows working in the organ room this summer was really cool, but I get that getting the noise out of the room and reclaiming the space makes sense... Need to put a window into the store room so visitors can watch the bellows. :)
the tuning (or lack thereof) just adds more to the story, I love the sound this beast produces a collection of 50+ years of woes and triumphs
Man if Joan's husband had midi and 3d printing back in that time i am pretty sure he would have used those instead of wood and thousands of meters of single cables and matrixes to make everything work. It is about making a church organ works with what everyone has at a singular time, in unusual situations (house/museum now). That spirit carries on with this new version.
I am not sure he would have used leds, but for a demonstration purpose that's pretty handy.
Great work fixing those leaks, adding better connections and getting the noisy parts into another room. Absolutely brilliant improvement. A+++ from me.
The multi-frankenstein organ is full of character and experience and has a beautiful patina..:::💚💚💚
I agree 100%. Leave the rough edges, the life, and age the way it is. It's awesome. For me, it's the contrast between the new and old tech. With the mix of synths and a classic old church organ keeping the old dirt and patina is perfect.
Got freaked out when you dragged the keyboard console. A few times there looked like it was going to topple over. Very relieved.
100% agree, the important part about this organ is that it was in someone's private home, with that comes the patina.
I once restored an MG Midget 1973 (round wheel arch model) and by the time it no longer felt like the car I bought and dragged out of a hedge, I stopped loving it. It's a cautionary tale ;) Great attitude to heritage, Sam! 👍
Putting stuff on wheels is a good idea in the Small - ish space you have.
I wonder if you could use PVC plumbing pipes with threads on them? That would be the best of both worlds.
The reason I am not using pvc I may have edited the bit out talking about it. Is because it'll be cut to size. And if I go to another place they'll all be cut for the old place. The pipe I am using atm is more than fine. Infact I'm starting to think the people talking about the issue with flexi pipe are being mellow dramatic
Me and my kids love your channel thanks for keeping it clean we’re a 10 and 8 year old can watch it
Sam I gotta say you're acting like a true museum conservationist with your approach to this organ! preserving (and continuing) the story is totally the right approach.. not sure why youtube is obsessed with restoration videos these days- maybe because with the world going to shit , it's therapeutic for people to see things go back to how they were... anyway keep up the good work! Hope to visit someday :)
Defenitely pro keeping the organs character and life.
Some of these things we arent so much owners as custodians. Part of it's history will include the museum, and scrubbing away its past would rob the next caretaker of that story.
Can we all take a moment admire the effort put into the wax lacing?
I allready long for your Christmas-medley played on the organ.🎶🎶 😂🎄🎄🎅🤶🧑🎄🎶🎶
There's nothing quite like the sound of an old pipe organ
Beautiful
Just love the way you are tinkering a propper working organ together.
ooooo, over 19 minutes on Joan's organ, lucky us
Don't take any crap from anybody, Sam. You're doing a wonderful thing. You saved it. And don't feel bad about using modern parts and materials. Parts of that organ have been modified before and anyone doing that would have used contemporary parts and materials. You're just adding to the story. If you hadn't done what you're doing, the story would be over and forgotten and that would be sad.
Have to respect the preservation of the flaws of the organ. It's one thing to take something and make it better but it's far harder to do that whilst still respecting it's original form. A great sentiment! I'm sure the original owner would have been very proud to have seen the end result.
Those LEDs add such a beautiful visual to go with the beautiful sound
**chef kiss
perfect Sunday watching
My cat just asked me who's this cat ?
Exactly when you talk about cat!
Nice to see things like this organ and people like you making a crazy work to put things together and even enhance them. Good job!
Every haters tells you don't do it right but you do it, not them...
Put a window in the backroom with the blower and make it its own display piece in a different part of the building. That would illustrate both how a real organ is set up in a church (Or house) and still showcase the technology for visitors. I know it probably isn't the most practical, but would be very cool to show off, and would be a better representation of how real organs are set up compared to how you've had it set up until now.
I grew up around DC, and some of the Smithsonian museums have tidbits where you will come across new bits of information about earlier displays further into the exhibit, or hints about topics before you get to their specific display. I've also seen this done with zoo's ant exhibits, where the ants have two large areas they travel between that are in different parts of the exhibit. I think it really makes the space feel so real and alive.
Probably won't see this comment, but if you do, I hope you find it interesting, and maybe gain some inspiration for the museum, either for this project or future ones.
I love this series so much. This was the reason I found to your channel since the video of getting the organ from the old church building turned into a house.
Omg, I just understood the numbers on the sign that were there for months now :)
It's perfect as ,it is.
I didn't feel like this video was a step backwards. The room is starting to look like a proper place (tiny room haha) to play an organ, and not a loud room absolutely overflowing with parts!
This was a great video!
Don't lose hope, heart, verve, or get perturbed Sam! It's grandiose, don't get bellicose!
It's a living beast and very analog. We have to expect it to need a little feeding and care over time. But daym that sound is worth it. I would love to see you collab with Anna Lapwood I am sure she would love what you have done and the story of this organ.
Every time I hear the word "blower", I can't help but picture Vinnie Jones in Snatch being like "pass us the blower, Susan".
Kickass Vivaldi adaptation in the intro! Awesome work. Got me in a stormy summer mood immediately. Love all the organ tinkering.
3d printed flanges for the win! That was the first thing I ever designed. So useful!
Yeah I totally agree; clean off the mouse poop and whatever, but apart from that, leave it as-is. I bet it has a nice fusty, musty odour too and that’ll be part of it’s story to preserve. Brilliant!
The slamming opening tune (Switched On Vivaldi?) would make Wendy Carlos proud!
Very cool! I've always been a fan of church organs for their amazing sound, and also of technology, so combining them like this -- and saving a church organ from the dump in the process -- is a definite win in my book. 🙂
As an American, each time he said "3d printer" my ear heard "Freddie Prince Jr" for a split second. Amazing work on the organ!
Exactly, it's patina. 👍
Hey, what about a window in the door so folks can see the bellows working?
its the only store cupboard its gunna be full of random crap. if one day it looks neat and tidy definitely! but its a fire door so would be a pricy door thats all i know :)
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER lol fair enough
Love the lights on the pipes as they play.
What you came out of the house with to what it looks like and sound's great and looking much better with added led light's
Trail and error on size is the Key to success.
People saying clean till it shines don't have a clue .... keep it how it is it will be more soul the way you have it.
It’s amazing and nothing else on TH-cam is quite like this organ build. It can’t look brand new either, as well, it isn’t!
Y'know, could always have a CCTV camera and a screen so that people could still see the blower/air-chest!
Live feed, no computer needed. Making great progress even if you have to take a step back to improve things!
If you have cavity walls could you pressurize the cavity and tap off anywhere in the museum. Like Tesla charging up the atmosphere. Organ really coming together, Love to see the led's and hears the tunes. Sounding awsome.
The ancient art of string looming, I love it so.
Onshape is officially the best CAD software ever no competition
I bet your neighbors just love you.
my suggestion would be to replace the mechanical airflow regulator on the inlet to the wind chest with a level sensor and a variable frequency drive inverter so the motor only ever spins as fast as it needs to, itd help with overall power consumption and also reducing noise when its running
And I want to add that the build idea with lights and midi is great. Keep going - ignore the odd angry man voice.
use keys as TREE RINGS FOR MUSEUM!!!
SUGGESTION: MEASURE DEPTH OF finger Mark Wear on the keys....
then keep track every year or time ECT. Then poof
🤯This LOOKS and SOUNDS AMAZING Dude! WOW!!!
Here's a bizarre idea... maybe in the center of the console you could have an lcd panel (no backlight/plate) so it would still work as a "window"
a transparent screen that has some text for even debugging/demonstration 🤔
nice idea. who knows! ill keep it in mind cheers :)
Wow... Joan's organ is coming along nicely... I agree with you, I like to keep things as they are instead of completely changing it to being brand new!
Yeah, you'll need to tune it every 6 months depending on how often the temperature and humidity fluctuated in the room. Little tip to save time when it comes to tuning, if you tune a 4' diapason pipe (So, a 4' principal for example) to concert pitch, you can then tune the rest of the organ off that rank of pipes so, in theory it all is in relative tune with itself. This can be done by listening to the audible beats of the sound waves that are produced when an out of tune pipe is played at the same note as the tuned 4' diapason pipe. Just remember that the pipes might be at different octaves too - 8' is the equivalent of middle C, 4' is an octave above and 2' is an octave on top of the 4'. 16' is an octave below and then 32' would be an octave below that - If the Joan's organ had a 32' I would be surprised!!
Reed pipes are a whole other kettle of fish... Very sensitive to temperature changes, just because of the nature of the pipe. Same with the wooden flue pipes - The Bourdon 16' on the right wall and then the Stopped Diapason 8' (The wooden flute ones) will change pitch at different temperatures because of the material. I'm currently retuning the wooden pipes on the organ I play on at the moment even though the whole organ was tuned about a month ago because the church has warmed up... Its a pain but, there you go!
About voicing - You might want to ask a organ builder firm like Nicholson & Co. or Harrison & Harrison!
Brilliant job, Sam - I think that you're a bit harsh on yourself as I think that the wiring loom looks great - so tidy, and as you say, the monster is hidden away in the closet (where all monsters should be) and it's quieter and sounding beautiful now.
Nothing wrong with a step back if it means the step forward is a sturdier one. Nice job as always. Thank you for the video.