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I didn't like The Last Jedi, but I'm not gonna hate Disney for it. I'm not gonna hate Kathleen Kennedy or Rian Johnson for it. And I'm especially not going to hate other people who did like it. If you like it, please, keep liking it. Don't let anyone keep you from liking it.
What? A endangerd type of Star Wars fan? I haven't seen one of these in years!
Exactly how someone who didn’t like it should be. Thanks for not being a negative douche. You’re the only person I’ve seen who doesn’t like the movie and is respectful about this
i agree but cant not hate rian his respond t tlj critic he got was terrible
Ante Prs agreed, but it’s annoying when fanboys make such a huge deal out of it. Like calling him ruin Johnson is really annoying
@@thatguyyouthoughtyouknewon7620 well he ruined sw i thing that why they call him that
Remember when everyone said The Force Awakens was the worst Star Wars movie ever made and Jar Jar Abrams along with Kathleen Kennedy killed the franchise forever"?
Remember when people said George Lucas was selfish, only cared about money and killed Star Wars forever with the Prequel trilogy and raped their childhoods? Edit: And they also said George should be banned from his own creation, fired from his company and no longer be allowed to make films because of this.
I remember, I remember very clearly. This hate is nothing new at all, the internet just makes it easier to show, especially since we now have TH-cam and social media.
Stuart Lugsden that's what I've said
Stuart Lugsden TOO CLOSE TO HOME MAN!!! TOO CLOSE TO HOME!!!
That's why I don't take the fandom seriously anymore I just like and dislike what I want like every free person should.
The problem is that is movie is actually bad and a mess through and through.
@@VengineerGER That is very is weird is comment
The comments are quite civil for once...
For now.
I mean the mob cant be under litteraly every video.
But sadly you can still see some very triggered people down here.
The comment section has the high ground.
@@AiringAustin
You underestimate their power!
people have calmed down now. But that anger was toxic over the past year. At the end of the day....it's only a movie.
I took my girlfriend to see TLJ about a week after it came out, she had watched all the films and the Clone Wars a couple months before TLJ and only really like Rogue One and Clone Wars until she watched it in theaters. TLJ is one of her favorite movies of all time, it was nice to get the perspective of a new fan, she really didnt care about Snoke, she was more caught up in the character dynamic of Kylo and Rey. She still prefers the Clone Wars over TLJ, but I thought this was intresting enough to share.
『 P E P E C R I M S O N 』 one of the reasons I look forward to having kids is to be able to introduce them to things like Star Wars the way my parents introduced me.
It is, thanks for sharing.
『 P E P E C R I M S O N 』 But Snoke is responsible for turning Ben to the Darkside and single-handedly started the First Order. He might not be an interesting character to you but he’s certainly the most important one in this sequel trilogy.
@@TheFoxfires The Emperor was responsible for turning Vader to the darkside and starting the Empire.
We had literally just as much information about him in the original trilogy, his story didn't get fleshed out in any way for 20 years.
Snoke was NOT the most important character in the trilogy, never was.
Chris Allen thank you for this comment
The “Everyone’s Star Wars is Different” section hits the nail on the head.
Everyone grows up with their Star Wars movies and will defend them to the end. The same thing will happen one day with those who are growing up with these movies, just like what happened with the Prequels.
Not enough people talk about that.
I agree i grew up with the prequels so im used to star wars not being the same thing. Didn't see the originals till later the end of return of jedi used to be my favorite part of the trilogy that changed later on. TFA is ether up or below ROTJ. TLJ is somewhere in the middle of those or below ROTJ. And i don't know where im gonna rank TROSW will rank gotta see the movie first. Man episode 9 has a long title.
Don’t you dare call Revenge of the Sith trash! Thank you. Lol
At least the movies I grew up with (the prequels) had awesome action scenes. Once you show any of the prequel movies to a 10 year old boy, he'll forget all about the sequels. To me, I really doubt that the sequels will be remembered fondly, theres just not much there worth defending.
If you like movies you'll like all the Star Wars films it doesn't matter how many problems there are with them, but I can't say you're a Star Wars fan if that's why you like them.
Personally I like story in my films so I still despise the Sequels and happily accept the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy.
I don't even think fans of the ST can argue that.
The story of the old films was just better, none of them are better movies than the other but as Star Wars films they are very different.
@Crumbsly they just have different opinions
Well, what if... I like the originals, prequels and the sequels? Am i the only one? For me the three are "my Star Wars"
@Michael McGrath and if you call people retarded you're an immature troll. Get a life.
Same. I'm a 90s kid who loves all of them.
I love the original trilogy. I enjoy the prequels, but I recognize that they objectively are not great films. And as for the sequel trilogy - it’s hard to say as it isn’t complete. I certainly like it but it has been disappointing.
Is it possible to learn this power?
I have to say that my Star wars is probably TCW to a big degree and some comics, I also ADORE the games, The force unleashed, Battlefront I and II (original) and especially the knights of the old republic series (exept maybe the MMO).
All the now "old" movies were fine and I liked them, but they never were my focus.
But I like the new stuff tbh.
"Nonsense is monetized"
Brilliant! Well said.
Grabs popcorn, dives into comments
Same
Alpha- rate dude. It's my favorite
i broke the 69 likes into a 70, u can’t handle my power
*Han died first dammit!*
I love how The Last Jedi shows Snoke underestimating Kylo. He manipulates Kylo’s feelings and he thought he was in control but Kylo is uncontrollable. Luke was the first one to see that and that scared Luke like he has never been scared before. Luke’s inner conflict and doubts started in that moment when he saw what his nephew will become. What Kylo did was kill Luke Skywalker optimistic spirt. Luke blamed himself for failing but there was nothing he could do to save Kylo. Luke felt hopeless because he could not redeem Kylo even if he tried. Remember Luke saw the good in Vader, but he didn’t see no light in Kylo. That’s scary, seeing complete darkness in someone you love that you feel responsible for. Kylo is not Vader, he is much worse because he doesn’t just want power he wants to destroy all ideologies that control power. He can’t be controlled because he has no religion, he has no limits, he just moves forward regardless the consequences of his actions.
Yeah when people say Luke was contradicting his character by even considering killing kylo, I remind them that the darkness he saw was beyond anything he could have imagined, and he came face to face with the emperor himself.
I think people forget Luke would act on things before really thinking it through. He wanted to join the rebellion and fight not thinking about possibly dying in battle. He had a romanticized view of being heroic like his father. Then he find out the REALITY of war and his father because he ran into a fight to save his friends. Luke didn’t really think about the possibility of failure. Then he saw good in his father when no one could see it. He saved Anakin by giving up the fight not being badass. Luke gave up trying to be the badass hero in Return Of The Jedi. Fast forward to Kylo’s training, it is implied that Leia knew her son was slipping to the dark side. Uncle Luke thought he could save Kylo because there’s no way he’s as dark as Vader. Then Luke saw his future, and he knew there was no saving Kylo. When Kylo killed Luke’s students he blamed himself. This made a lot of sense to me. Why would he want that lightsaber? So much pain is connected to it. Why would he stay on an island by himself? Waiting to train a new Jedi? It makes sense he wanted to die alone. Why would he not want to see or help Han or Leia? He failed to save there son and his only choice was to kill him. Who would be in a rush to tell your sister and brother in law that great news? The beauty of The Last Jedi is their is plenty to discuss. Hopefully Episode 9 brings the whole saga to a satisfying conclusion.
Not to mention Luke foreshadowing Kylo's abilities with the "I've seen this power once before" line.
Okay, but my question is how is Kylo doing that? Snoke should know if he can't read Kylo's mind shouldn't he? does Kylo have two brains or something?
That's my problem with these films, they introduce stuff like this and choose to explain none of it.
OneBoredCatbug the same reason Palpatine can’t sense Vader turning against him. Arrogance
It's still in my top 3 one year later. I love it.
It's the best one IMO. But ANH and Empire are close.
@@Srikar-on9ib Nope. Revenge of the sith is the best. then ANH and ESB are close after
I don't think anything's ever going to top the "No, *I* am your father!" plot twist from The Empire Strikes Back, but "...and now, foolish child, he ignites it, and KILLS his true enemy!" from The Last Jedi comes pretty close to matching it, as does watching Hux freak out when Holdo pulls a hyperspace ram on the Supremacy.
@@Hammer693 ROTS, better than ESB and ANH??
I don't try to demonize people who didnt like the movie, but I refuse to listen to someone whose video title is "the last jedi is a complete cinematic failure" for legitimate criticism
Zacry Carmichael You and me both.
Shame because a few of those guys are cinephiles which seems to be what the hot thing is now and they eviscerate the film from a writing and story telling stand point
In the same way, I don't listen to someone who says "The Last Jedi is Objectively Bad!" Opinions, by definition, are not objective.
So what you're looking for is an echo chamber?
The worst videos on TH-cam and people were making them for way too long
Thank you everyone for being so respectful in the comments. Whether u loved tlj or hated it we are all fans of the same great franchise and I’m so tired of getting insulted in a comment section just for my opinion. May the force be with everyone!
Nick Siringo The Internet age 🤷♂️
If its not Knights of the old republic its DEAD to meeeee!!!
You dumb dumb!
(sarcasm)
@@FUNBadTime I guarantee if they actually made a Knight of the Old Republic 3 or an Old Republic movie/tv show people would still complain about something like "They're just catering to the fans"
@@Icybubba
Problem is, even I, who likes the new stuff, fear their later attempts on the old republic. Especially if they really ever tried to do a Knights of the old republic 3. At least for the game, I dont know anyone who could really pull it of like 18 years ago, and it absolutely wont be EA.
So far they introduced an Old Republic Sith with Momin and that turned out good, so I hope they have a good idea for the Old Republic.
@@FUNBadTime I wouldn't count out EA yet, they've been improving (Sort of), at least Battlefront 2 has turned into a really good game, let's see how Jedi: Fallen Order turns out
And, great video. People should take to heart that it's OK to disagree. Just don't be an asshole about it. Hell, even I walked out of TLJ going what?! But it changed over time.
AT-AT Chat hey it’s you! You really are always here lol
@@frekaingcodeh831 I love the channel haha
Yeah but the "haters" make Valid points. Why was there a map to Luke. What was Snoke doing the last 60 years? Where are the Knights of Ren? Why if Luke rejected the Jedi way he still haves the Robes & books...etc. etc. Etc. While the lovers simply say "its good cause it's not the same!"
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The map wasn’t to Luke. It was to the first Jedi temple, where his closest friends knew he was going.
Why does it matter what Snoke was up to before this?
There was no room for the knights of Ren and I don’t see why it matters
The reason Luke used his Jedi robe was cause he was gonna destroy the Jedi texts and he basically wanted to wear it while doing that. And the reason he still has the texts is cause he just couldn’t bring himself to burn them.
@@TheMrPeteChannel I feel ya. I totally understand the criticisms since a lot happened to be mine as well. But it's the hateful delivery and mongering over the agenda of the movie I won't put up with. That's all. I highly encourage healthy debate. Unfortunately, the legitimate criticisms have been overshadowed by 10 channels spewing agro hate fuel.
Smart rhetoric, meaningful insights, and a level head. HelloGreedo deserves far more attention from the Star Wars fanbase than he currently has.
Someone needs to be mature and talk like an adult
Ironic how the stormtrooper is the most intelligent one.
He gave me hope that in a near future, fans can be friends and like Star Wars again.
That is the mere reason why he doesn't get the attention. Particularly from Star Wars fanbase.
I love all of Star Wars. Its not perfect but it is a wonderful and fun ride.
Some people seem convinced that Star Wars is a religion that needs to be handled with obsessive care and consideration. Those are the people that give nerds their negative stereotypes
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Just like life itself 🙆♂️
When defending The Last Jedi, a lot of people bring up Luke's arc as being a great thing because he figured out that the Jedi way was a flawed system and it needed to end. Just like Luke needed to end his journey as a Jedi as well. That's why he did not want to train Rey and tried to convince her that the Jedi are not worth saving because of it. And what was that reason? Because of hubris and the Jedi believing they "owned" the force. So if he took himself out of the equation the force would balance itself out on its own and there would be no more dark side. Well guess what, that did not happen. Snoke and Kylo Ren didn't get weaker or lose their powers. They got stronger and the force awoke in Rey to combat the imbalance. Luke was wrong about the Jedi needing to end, the balance of the force and himself.
Near the end of the movie, Luke learned the greatest teacher is failure and a Jedi should never give up because of it. Rey learned that lesson as well when she failed to turn Kylo Ren as well. It's a very simple arc to follow and no need to convoluted it with things that Luke was wrong about. One mistake does not render a system useless.
The Jedi Code did not bring down the Jedi. Their mistake was not staying true to the Jedi way, the code. They became generals and warriors in a war and that is NOT the Jedi way. Involving themselves in the war directly made them easy scapegoats for a fear mongering politician like Palpatine to place the blame on when things went wrong.
People have to remember that the Jedi were defenders of the galaxy for 1000 generations and they were guided by that Jedi Code. Again one mistake made by some Jedi in a given era does not render the entire system flawed. It just showed that those Jedi of that era (Prequel) made a mistake and didn't live up to being true Jedi and followed their own Code.
Meat Grinder Mike thats character development for a beloved age old character and that’s why I love the movie.
That’s....Luke’s arc. He thinks that it’s the Jedi that are flawed for a huge chunk of the movie, not realizing that they were NOT following the Jedi code. Later, when he force-projects his way to crait, he says “I will not be the last Jedi “ because he realizes that the Jedi code is what defines the ideal Jedi, not their past actions when they were drunk with power. Or at least that’s how it came across to me.
In the beginning of the film he was hiding in shame, and wanted the Jedi to end. But in the end, he realized he was wrong, and became the symbol of hope for the Galaxy again. It’s an arc.
“The rebellion is reborn today, and I will not be the last Jedi.”
- Luke Skywalker
Yeah but it makes no sense at all for Luke to develop that kind of attitude about the jedi. He has Yoda to guide him properly about the correct view of the jedi.
Interesting that a movie as divisive as The Last Jedi has sold almost 1 million more Blu Ray copies than even Infinity War. The death of Star Wars has been grossly exaggerated.
It's likely that the haters of the movie only bought it because of completion sake. Doesn't change the fact that Infinity War was a better film and much better received
@@loyalcompanion2104 I mean I love Infinity War but there's no need to hide behind excuses....more people felt the need to own TLJ over Infinity War by a 3:2 margin, regardless of whatever way you want to spin it. Star Wars is alive and well.
Meanwhile on Geeks and Gamers
1 year ago the demon known as Rian Johnson’s released TLJ and many NPC and SJW Disney shills revealed themselves when they disagreed with my opinions.
As a true fan it’s my responsibility to make 500 videos to attempt to insult and drive Rian Johnson to suicide.
roblosonic 505 I knew Geeks and Gamers was awful but I didn't know they were this awful.
roblosonic 505 geeks and Gamers is a right wing sjw, the anti sjws are the new sjws
Screw geeks and gamers.
Sadly accurate.
@@gohstdude2 people who pretend to be right wing* right wingers who legitimately saw a fucking political agenda in the last jedi are crying wolf and fucking retarded. They didn't even pay attention to the film at all and are obsessed with Kathleen Kennedy like she murdered their family.
The incessant bullying that people like Kelly Marie Tran, (and Ahmed Best,) have had to endure because of the segment of the fandom who were disappointed with TLJ is what I disagree with and oppose most strongly.
Some people just don't realize, or they don't care, how much damage words can do to others, especially those who don't deserve it.
Whether I liked ANY movie or not would never cause me to express my disappointment in such a disgusting and destructive way, and I'm certainly no, "angel 👼" lol my mom said it best;
"If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all!"
To me, Star Wars is Star Wars. I don't look for the bad, I try to focus more on the good of a movie and stay optimistic. I can just appreciate all of them.
To all the people who said Star Wars is over for them after The Last Jedi,See ya all at the theatre on Episode 9 opening day!!!
Tanishq Chandra
They seem to forget that ‘Star Wars’ survived “The Holiday Special” in 1978.
I was a huge SW fan. Not going.
TLJ was not a SW film.
Tanishq Chandra I would have agreed with you if Solo didn’t tank as I never thought SW could resist. I’m still in shock a SW movie bombed and Disney should be scared for the long term of this franchise.
Thrax But Episode 9 isn’t even gonna be made by the same people. I think you should at least give it a chance
Michael McGrath oh, not you again.... do you have anything better to do with your life? We get it, you dislike the prequels, but stop forcing your own opinions upon other people and insulting people who don’t agree with you
After seeing The Last Jedi & looking into it more, I’ve gained a deeper appreciation for scenes like first fight scene, Rose & Rey, the Canto Bight Scene, Luke’s portrayal in the film, the final scene, Rey’s mirror scene, the fight between Kylo Ren & Luke, the final scene with Leia, & the scene with Finn & Rose. I still like TLJ when I first saw & I still like it even more now.
Fandom: “I want more of the thing I fell in love with”
Franchise: “ok here’s more of the same.”
Fandom: “no I want you to do something new with it.”
Franchise: “oh ok well here’s something different.”
Fandom: “no I said new not different”
Franchise: “wait what...”
Fandom: “you’ve changed it, it’s ruined!”
Franchise: “you wanted me to change it”
Fandom: “not like that though! I wanted it to be the same!”
Franchise: “I have you more of the same as well!”
Fandom: “yeah but I didn’t mean like that!”
Other fan: “well I actually quite enjoyed it.”
Fandom: “well you’re a fake fan and a heathen who doesn’t truly understand how important this franchise is to my very soul!”
True that. My dad's a chef at a fancy restaurant and when a guest complained about the steak being raw, he brought another one which was completely burnt. And when he complained about that, my dad punched him in the face for being a spoiled fanboy who doesn't know what he want: he didn't like raw, he didn't like burnt, so what the hell did he like? Amirite?
The story in the sequel trilogy just hasn't been good. People tend to complain less when you put a good movie with a good story in front of them. The Force Awakens wasn't just a rehash of A New Hope, it put the galaxy back to where we started. And by sticking so close to the story of the original cast and being a direct continuation just set 30 years later, you have somewhat ruined the ending of ROTJ.
And even if you don't care about any of that, the fact is that all the stories in that 30 year gap would have made better movies than the one's we've been given.
XBlueM0ndayX what do u mean the story's not good, the force awakens set up a gigantic and new story to tell until they screwed it up, but the story's still not ruined
As unoriginal as TFA was, that's the route they chose. You can't just undermine everything they had "planned". When JJ passed the baton to Rian Johnson, he didn't continue the race to pass the baton again, he stubbornly ran off the track.
Lol you are the same as the people you are making fun of, but okay hahaha.
I grew up with the sequel trilogy, i was 12 when the force awakens came out, i love the last jedi and i agree with your opinion the star wars generations idea
Wizard Juan0Juan Honestly very true, although that puts my sub-generation (we’ll call it that because it’s in between) in an odd place, because I’ve been growing up remember seeing Revenge of the Sith in theaters as a young child and having the clone wars through a big part of my life, and now the sequels in the current part of my pre-adult life. So it’s like, I guess I’m gonna grow up and love it all.
Wizard Juan0Juan same. Seeing TFA was probably the most memorable and my favorite movie theater experience in my life so the sequels hold a special place in my heart
I was 10 and yet even then i knew the sequel trilogy is shit
@@nikolazivkovic4880 well said young man
Me too!!!!!!!
Theres no way in hell this is a perfect movie, or even the best Star Wars movie, but regardless of its impact to the Star Wars fandom, I still love this movie to hell and back
Its probably not the best of them all, but my emotional connection is definitly stronger with this one than the others.
See, I hated this movie but I respect it very much when people who loved it (like you) can tell it was far from perfect. I loved Rogue One, but I agree with the criticism it has gotten as well.
It’s okay to love something/someone and still see its flaws.
Wait - do you mean to say that you can love/hate something but still acknowledge it's pros/cons?? Blasphemy!
There's this really interesting concept I discovered a while back, and it appears you discovered it as well.
Say we have 2 movies (A and B)
Movie A comes out and is fantastic
Movie B comes out and it's a masterpiece
Fans are arguing which of the 2 movies is the best.
One fan says he originally enjoyed A but now that B came out he dislikes A
Another fan says to him after being yelled at for liking A, "Just because B is better than A, does not mean A is a bad film"
A perfect description of my feelings for this film.
The Last Jedi should be commended for being the rare blockbuster that allows a creator to express his vision completely. The fact that it happened in the biggest film series of all time is kind of a miracle in my opinion
All the episodes and spin offs should be like that.
Well it definitely didn't work.
And that vision was awarded by a 70% drop off in it's second week.
It amazes me that it was able to happen the way it did. Amazes, and disheartens me.
Why should any movie be commended for that? A creator ‘being able to fully express his vision’ and paint unicorns on the backdrop of a set isn’t what makes a movie good. The fact that this playground mess had to happen in the biggest film franchise of all time is actually unfortunate.
One year later… I still love it
Same. Though I see why others didn't and still don't.
Darth Something agreed
One year later & i despise it more & more.
Sameeee I love it too
Disney *bot* detected!!
I still really don't like this movie but I respect everyone's opinions. Other than a few moments, it really didn't do anything for me
Good on you for being honest and reasonable about it.
I personally really enjoy the movie, but I FULLY understand why some people don't like it.
@@justinriley it's a well shot & ok directed movie. But the plot is bad with no payoffs & dosen't follow the movies before it.
@@TheMrPeteChannel Well, I disagree with your assertion that the plot is bad, but I will concede that The Force Awakens had better structure and pacing.
J.J. Abrams is almost always good about making movies that flow smoothly and go from Point A to Point B.
I loved the movie but I appreciate fans like you that disagree respectfully with others without insulting people for liking the movie. The fandom could use more fans like you.
Agreed. I despise this movie, but understand why others love it.
To me, Disney era Star Wars has been the best era of Star Wars. It's playing deeply to its own roots, but modernized. As much as I like the original trilogy, I won't lie that newer generations will probably have a hard time getting into. The prequel are what they are.
Deeper? It’s own thing? Sorry but in what sense? The only thing I see is a bunch of wannabes of a series of someone else’s thing.
While I understand and recognize criticism of this film, and I can understand that people don’t like it, I have to say this is one of my favorite Star Wars films. It’s really up there for me
My Star Wars is all of them. The prequels were coming out when I was growing up, but my parents didn’t let me see them until I was older because they were “too dark” (personally I think they didn’t like them), in the mean time, I saw the originals, which do have a nostalgic love for. My first Star Wars theatre experience was Force Awakens. I ended up at 3-D showing on day one. I do remeber the 3-D really working for the climactic space battle especially, for one pov shot of an X-Wing pilot. That shot made me feel like I was in that X-Wing. Ok I’m sorry for getting side tracked, but the point is some people who grew up in the 80s may have not gotten into Star Wars until now or when the prequels came out.
"They didn't like them" hahahahha
It’s true.
My problem is there aren't enough memes of the sequels compared to the prequels.
This I can get down with
Tell that to Kanjiklub.
*Insert prequel meme about another million clones beeing in the works for deployment
Give it time
Really a shame, the sequels have a ton of meme material already. At least there have been two really hilarious memes to come from the movies, TR-8R and Ben Swolo, of course!
Edit: Also Kylo Ren’s Swiss-army-saber is a great meme
i still havent gotten my opinions straight on anything about the sequel trilogy, i honestly dont think ive been challenged by movies like this before, even if i dont like it, i appreciate it in some weird way.
I'm right there with you. I think I'm going to have to watch all 3 at home in a fews to fully grasp what's going on
Alt Freedom Foundation good choice, it’s like watching 2/3 of a story and trying to judge it before you know what its about.
Personally i loved the fact TLJ made me rethink star wars and what it means to me. In fact i now relate to luke FAR more than king arthur luke of old
I also haven't fully straightened out my opinions on the trilogy
@@braydenpaulk5079 TROS tried to be a sequel to a trilogy that was never made. If only TFA and TLJ had a sequel... then we could judge the trilogy as a whole.
You and Star Wars Explained are the voices of reason in the community!
I didn’t like TLJ, but at least I don’t attack or call those that liked this movie a shill, SJW or NPC. Because who am I to judge those that like or don’t like something.
Therefore, again, great video HelloGreedo👍
NPC like from a game? That's used as an insult now? Man this era is so stupid lol
@@BudBanditoBurrito418 what does NPC stand for
@@phoenixfunny4517 Non Player Character. Like your squad mates in a single player game.
@@BudBanditoBurrito418 It's used for SJWs because they act like they are programmed to constantly complain about anything.
@@CDRW24 We used to call people like that whining babies. And then there's the yodeling babies who complain about the whining babies lol
I was so happily shocked when kylo killed snoke. Only thing that shocked me more was Luke finding out Vader was his father.
i liked this movie a year ago, and i love this movie now. mark, daisey and adam all put in phenomenal performances. its beautiful to look at. it subverted expectations and took risks. excellent film.
Yeah l loved it too it’s funny because I walking out of the theatre thinking everyone was going to be talking about how good it was lol but I got the opposite when I walked out and looked on youtube
haha i had a similar reaction.
Interesting. My appreciation for the film took an opposite trajectory. Loved it after the 2nd viewing, but since then it’s dropped some. Still like it though.
+The Cambot him throwing the lightsaber is one of my biggest gripes too. it could have been a powerful moment for his character but its just a cheap laugh that made the audience go "huh?"
@@eighteen-naked-cowboys Yeah wouldn't it have had a more dramatic effect if he'd just dropped it? It does sort of feel like we're meant to laugh at that part - which is NOT what you want. I like TLJ more than TFA, but I will say I think Abrams handles humor miles better than Johnson.
I seriously loved The Last Jedi. I loved it's themes of failure, of protecting the ones we love, and of redemption. Luke Skywalker is perfect in this movie. He's very realistic in this movie, he's a failed Jedi. Someone who has regrets, someone who actually acts human.
That's what everyone wanted. Luke after 40 years as a failed Jedi. Everyone love this movie now!
The shit this movie has stirred up. I agree with both sides of the argument. I both like this movie and dislike it at the same time. Much of the dislike has to do with the fallout.
Yep. My only real gripe with Episode 8 is that the film should’ve had Luke stay alive and Rey join Kylo Ren. I think that would’ve solved most people’s issues and would’ve created some hype and intrigue for Episode 9. Then you got Luke and Leaia lead the resistance one last time and Luke tries to bring both Rey and Kylo to the light and only succeeds with one of them.
It just would’ve been a more interesting dynamic leading into Episode 9.
Outside of that, I liked the film quite a bit.
@@TheGeorgeD13 disagrees entirely. That just sounds like what pirates of the Caribbean 2 was; just a set up for 3. Having Rey turn bad just for one of them to turn good in the next would make people complain about how flip floppy the characters are. Luke dying is best cause now he can be with anyone ALWAYS as he's one with the force. Not bound by a physical body
Phoenix Funny, people would complain ONLY if you do it wrong. You can always make the flip flop believable. And Luke can still die in 9 and be one with the force.
@@TheGeorgeD13 you can literally say that about anything though. Anything can work if "you do it the right way" and anything can be bad if "you do it the wrong way". When you take the convo in that direction the story direction and ideas become irrelevant
Luke was perfect in TLJ and had a massive pay of from TESB. I didn't think they would ever actually do it But they did.
Kc Link I don’t think Luke was at all perfect, even Mark Hamill agreed that he doesn’t agree with the character being what it was in TLJ. He went from a heroic Jedi to a old hermit which is not what Luke is about.
@@ricksanchez6766 And from that he turned in to a true Jedi and legend at the end of the movie. He completed want was began in TESB. It was the perfect ending for Luke and paid off from all the way back in TESB. I honestly don't know what more people wanted from him then to truly be a Jedi at the end and doing what no body did in 8 movies.
@@ricksanchez6766 And as always you ignore what Mark said later like most do who didn't like him in TLJ not giving all info and flat out ignoring it like it didn't happen.
@@ricksanchez6766 Mark also didn't agree with what George wanted for Luke in ROTJ sooooooo.................Mark doesn't really get Luke........Love you anyways Mark!
read this little snippet starwarsblog.starwars.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Insider-spread-5.jpg its from here www.starwars.com/news/ultimate-guides-the-last-jedi-and-solo-a-star-wars-story
So I am good with the direction they went in with Luke. I actually think that JJ wrote Rian into a corner as I don’t think there are any other good explanations for him being on that island.
I’m not crazy about the execution though. I just think we needed a little more Luke/Rey stuff to flesh his story out - and a lot less Canto Bight haha.
I like The Last Jedi. It’s in my top 5 favorite Star Wars films. Don’t hate me because I like the film. If you like the film, continue to like it. If you don’t like it, continue to not like it. I appreciate this film more than I like it but I still do like it.
Exactly One year ago,My second fav Star Wars movie was released after The Empire Strikes Back. ThankYou Rian Johnson,I just cannot wait for your own trilogy. I respect other people's opinions.
Ha ha. That trilogy won't even make 500 million for all 3 films.
Didnt it get cancelled??
@@lcva9822 Not officially. Not yet, anyway.
@@lcva9822 No, a bunch of TH-camrs took a comment from Disney and started a rumor Johnson's trilogy was cancelled but he confirmed himself that he's still working on it. I'm glad. I think in their rage people aren't realizing that Johnson has a long career of quality fimmaking and even if you hated TLJ, you might be happier with his work if he's not playing around with pre-established characters.
@@adamwhite4858 yeah.. he will do a great work on those anthologies.
That's my main issue with this fanbase. It isn't that some of them hated the movie, it was because they completely overexaggerated the hate for it.
I tried to rewatch it last night on Netflix and couldn’t make it all the way through. I hated it a year ago and I still do.
I did on Disney+... Couldn't get past the scene where they're riding those dumb animals on Canto Bight. Something about that whole sequence just pisses me off.
That's why I listen opinions from people who hated it and people who loved it. I've been analyzing the movie throughout the year and I still love it.
Darth Marih same
I don't but i think you mentioned something important you have to look at both sides of opinions if you are ever going to properly formulate your own.
Sergio Ruiz yeah it’s really hard to listen to the people who hate it when they are so obviously biased. Btw I think they are biased for the same reason HelloGreedo does. Other movies in the saga make the same mistakes.
The throne room scenes and the battle with snokes guards is still awesome to watch
Hell yeah !! 😎
And completely devoid of stakes or logic.
chaoszieg th-cam.com/video/J0mUVY9fLlw/w-d-xo.html
Yeah. That’s the only laughable fight in Star Wars...
polarazing is exactly what Star Wars has been about since the first sequel came out, and especially during the prequel era. People forget that there were fans who didn't like Empire (critics were harsh on it too), and there was a backlash against Jedi saying it was too kid-friendly, and we all know what happened with the prequels. Polarizing is part and parcel of Star Wars, but in time, we move on, because no legacy is without it's triumphs and failures - the basis of actual wars
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“What! He can just pull his lightsaber to him with the force now!? That’s never been shown before!”
“Oh so the force can make you a ghost now? When was that mentioned?”
“What there’s so many plotholes, why didn’t they show where all of the other bounty hunters went? Why did Han have handcuffs when he went to get frozen and didn’t when he came out? Terrible film! They killed star wars!”
@@Lenny-ue8hk summed up perfectly. Brilliant!
I basically agree with everything you said Greedo.
I like the movie. I don’t dislike any of the directions it went in. I do take significant issue with the uneven tone, and the side plots, but when Luke/Kylo/Rey are on screen it’s really frickin good.
Nathan S my only knit pick is that I didn’t see any “character growth” in anyone. Luke reverted back to his old ways for a brief moment at the end, but I wouldn’t call that progression.
@@AiringAustin I guess it depends on how you define "character growth". If that just means betterment/self-improvement, then I would agree with you. Luke is probably a worse person at the beginning of TLJ than he is at the end of ROTJ. But if "character growth" means change/development, then I would strongly disagree.
I feel like Rian Johnson gave Luke the most tragic, hard-to-swallow backstory we could imagine, and Luke is worse off for it. But it leads to a lot of development and change on his part. For the most part, I find it pretty interesting and inspiring. But there are parts I do not like, certainly. Mostly, I think Luke and Rey needed a little more fleshing out and we needed a LOT less Canto Bight.
As for other characters, I think we see a ton of growth in Kylo, Poe Dameron (even if I didn't like his plot), and I feel like Finn even evolved too. We can say all sorts of cons about this film, but I must give Rian Johnson credit; he was very intentional in developing each of these characters and giving them meaningful quests and challenges to teach them.
Yeah. I love TLJ, but that Finn/Rose sideplot just doesn't work for me. They're on a time sensitive mission, but have time to take a minute and complain about evil rich people and philosophize? Nope. It just takes all of the tension out of the situation. And I get no chemistry from Finn and Rose. That kiss at the end was just...awkward.
@@AiringAustin Luke had the most Jedi exit we've ever seen. He used the force for knowledge and defense, not attack. And he defeated Kylo (at least temporarily) while doing it. He basically sacrificed just like Obi Wan, but without even lifting a lightsaber. It was epic. That said, was it too much to ask for him to not die at the end? I would be so much more excited for Ep IX if Luke were still alive.
@@robbhays8077 I guarantee the kiss at the end was awkward for Finn as well lol.
Whatcha going to do, a girl you don't like, likes you, and the girl you like doesn't like you and has a crush on the Supreme Leader of the galaxy.
Finn has a lot to work out in 9 LOL
The only thing I can think about is that he has the same alarm system as me
41 years of movies, spinoffs, tv shows, comics, books, games...there's something for everyone in Star Wars...and with that, not everyone's going to like everything. Which is perfectly fine. What's dumb are those people forcing you what you should and shouldn't like, telling you you're wrong or right.
Very surprised how (mostly) civil this comment section is
I despise TFA and hate TLJ. But I'm not one of those idiots that'll say that Rian Johnson ruined Star Wars. I LOVEEEE TCW, Rebels, the prequels, the originals, the anthologies, the games (even BF2017 which has gotten a lot better), the novels, and the comics. I'm SO excited for The Mandalorian, TCW S7, the Cassian show, the first Prequel novels in the Disney-era next year, Fallen Order, Episode IX (I will always hope that this film is good even if I HATED the last two in the trilogy), Galaxy's Edge (even though it seems to be only OT and ST content), etc. 1-2 movies won't ruin that for me. Not even 5. Probably not even 10.
Edit: I made a really long post about why I hate the sequel trilogy in the comments if you're interested.
You. I like you.
You sir are a rare breed.
Agree completely! At this point, if someone wants to classify me as something negative, they can classify me as a Sequel Trilogy Hater, not a Star Wars hater. I am still pumped for various new things being put out by Disney Lucasfilm though. The return of the Clone Wars, the Mandalorian, Master and Apprentice novel, etc.
@Mike Noir I'm assuming you mean "Why do I hate the sequels". I'll give my response in a civilized way that I hope other "sequel haters" can learn from.
TFA - No character development. Even 2 movies into the trilogy the only character I give a shit about is Kylo. I couldn't care less about Rey, Finn, Hux, Snoke, Rose, literally everyone other than Kylo and OT characters.
No world-building whatsoever. The biggest mistake this movie made was basically deleting the politics that made the Prequel era feel large. The sequels take place over the course of 2 weeks, and not having politics (in the movies) makes it feel SO much smaller. Not to mention we get Tatooine pt. 2, Hoth pt. 2, Yavin IV part 3 and 4 (Tako Dana and D'Qar), and more generic planets like the OT and TLJ did. The Prequels and the anthologies are the only films to have unique and interesting locations. Felucia, Coruscant, Umbara, Utupau, etc.
Same plot as ANH. This is the biggest mainstream complaint with the movie, and honestly it's true. The main plot/story beats from both TFA and TLJ are the same as the OT, just done much worse than the OT did.
The main protagonist. Rey is awfully written. Anakin trained for over 10 years, AND he was literally the chosen one, and he got raped by Count Dooku even with Obi-Wan's help. Luke trained for at least a few weeks, and got raped by Vader. Rey trains for LITERALLY NO TIME, she's not any chosen one, she's not even fucking related to anyone important, and she destroys Kylo in their first fight (after Finn held his own for too long as well). I get the whole excuse about Kylo being emotionally damaged after killing his father and shit, but that's all BS. Kylo should've destroyed both Rey and Finn. However Lucasfilm/Disney isn't going to do that in the first movie, and killing the main two protagonists in the first film in a trilogy is a bad idea. Therefore they should've never been put in that situation in the first place.
Ruining Old Luke Skywalker. Everyone blames this on TLJ, but I think TFA was the movie that started this off. They made Luke someone who ran away from all his issues, hid on an island, and was about to kill himself if Rey hadn't come and saved the day. I don't know if people were expecting Luke to go, "Hey, I've been on this island for too long, let's go change my mind and save the Resistance, yay!". No. If he's been out there for a long time, and he has a good enough reason (in his opinion), he's not going anywhere. That's why I think realistically TFA was the one that ruined Luke and TLJ was the best direction they could've gone with what JJ set up.
These are my 5 biggest issues with TFA, and they're major issues especially for a Star Wars movie.
TLJ - Again, no character development except for Kylo. Still don't care about anyone's story.
No world-building. The fact that there's a very small time-jump, equivalent to R1 - ANH, this story still feels small as hell. They could've done a 2 year time jump. Have Luke actually train Rey but refuse to go out on his own. That way it doesn't feel as small, it leaves room for an animated show like TCW to flesh out that 2 year period, and Rey actually deserves all the shit that she does. You could build up the Resistance so it doesn't feel like Rebellion vs. Empire again.
No unique locations, again. Not much needs to be said here other than Cantonica is another desert (but wait it has a casino), Crait is Hoth again (but wait now it's salt). This all comes down to the Disney-era Lucasfilm not wanting to make the same "mistake" as the prequels in overusing CGI (even though most of the prequels were filmed on miniature sets, not entirely CGI). But by not using CGI you're creating more and more boring locations. Ep. IX is rumoured to have ANOTHER snow planet. Canto Bight is the closest thing we've gotten to a unique location, but they made the rest of the planet another fucking desert. CGI has improved SIGNIFICANTLY since 2002/2005. CGI looks way better now, so you can do the stuff that the prequels tried to do with the locations but make them look great on the big screen. But they're wasting all that potential.
This movie doesn't feel like Star Wars. The prequels, whatever your opinion is on them (I love them), you have to admit they felt like Star Wars. The OT, is well, the OT. The anthologies are the perfect mix between the PT and OT.
The main plot is literally a space race. Whoever can reach the Resistance ship faster. wtf.
Rose. She's diversity done wrong. She takes everything that was remotely interesting about Finn in TFA and deletes it. Like Rey and Holdo, this trilogy can't seem to get female characters right. Which is really weird since Star Wars has so many great ones. Ahsoka, Jyn, Qi'ra, Padme, Leia, Satine, Hera, Sabine, etc. Hell Paige at the beginning of TLJ was awesome too. It sucks she had like 2 minutes of screen time.
Those are my 6 biggest issues with TLJ, and again they're major issues.
I hope I listed that in a civilized way, not like those TH-cam and Instagram trolls that go, "DiSnEy rUiNeD sTaR WaRs fOrEvEr".
I will say one thing. Politics made the prequels boring. "Oh another 10 minute Senate scene yay."
1 year later and I still personally love this film and can't wait for Rian Johnson's next film, "Knives Out".
Justin Riley Is ‘Knives Out’ the story about the reaction of SW fans after TLJ? Lol!
@@chrisolivo6591 hey don't say that or he will subvert those expectations.
Chris Olivo I like the TLJ to and I’m also excited for his next film but this comment was funny as fuck.
@@VengineerGER
You mean by it not beeing about that or by it actually really beeing about that?
Rian Johnson could've handled toxic fandom better. That didn't help his chances at staying with Star Wars. It's tragic because he should be atleast a consultant on 9.
This may be an unpopular opinion but I liked the way Luke was portrayed in the last Jedi . Having a character who was literally a beacon of hope lose his faith in what he believes adds way more depth to Luke that we had ever seen . Now that doesn't mean I think all of it is perfect , there's definitely some things i think could have been done better , but I'm still happy with what we got .
One year later: still my favourite Star Wars film after the OT. Nothing can make me change my mind.
silentiom Just watched it again. No 😝
Nothing should. But it doesn't invalidate a lot of people's very genuine problems with it and its failure in writing and structure.
@@spenser9908 A failure in writing and structure is your opinion. There are plenty of people who were okay with what was given and many that were not. Does this make it a failure? No. It just means it didn't work for YOU. and that's fine.
@@jerkmcdork7223 Nope, sorry, I'm afraid not. Objectively, writing and structure and characterisation was a mess and ill-conceived. Whether people "were okay with it" or not lol is irrelevant. It's fine if you like it but not to dismiss valid and objective criticisms of it and mischaracterise their arguments because you liked it subjectively. There's a reason crafts like writing and filmmaking are taught, mate.
Soy
I still absolutely love The Last Jedi. It's along ESB as my favourite and I can barely pick between the two.
Sure, there are some things I would have liked to be handled differently, like Captain Phasma and Canto Bight, but those couple of minor complaints pale in comparison to the sheer amount of quality this movie has given us. Everything from the acting, dialogue, cinematography, action, effects, characters is just immaculate.
It took established characters and managed to develop them in a way that, for me, felt entirely natural. It managed to continue a story in a way that felt satisfying and logical without being formulaic and predictable.
I'm sure that in time it will gain legendary status throughout the fandom just like ESB did. My only hope now is that JJ doesn't retcon decisions made in movie.
I completely agree.
Why I hate it:
- Rose is a pointless character
- Rose saving Finn, WTF
- Canto Bight is the worst act
- Holdo, nobody cares about her
- Dragged out, not funny humor
- No Snoke backstory
- Where were the Knights of Ren?
- Rey is a Mary Sue
- DJ's character
- I didn't care about Luke
@@joshhudson2484 agreed.
A year ago I would have agreed with you word for word. The film has dropped some for me. The tone Rian tries to have is way too silly for this plot IMO, and I think the side plots in this movie were bad. But the visuals, acting and dialogue were fantastic. And any time Kylo/Luke/Rey were on screen, the film was more than solid. I just think I needed for Luke’s story to get fleshed out a tad more before we lose him. Instead I got way more Canto Bight and purple hair lady than I wanted. But I enjoyed the movie and I’m still pumped for IX!
I think I can agree, I m just scared of the strong statements, because it will probably trigger some dude so hard that he ll start another war.
I've been preaching very similar arguments in Russian SW community, 501st and RL for the last year. Always nice to hear your moderate and calm take. Keep up the great work!
I was 11 when you started your channel 😂. Honestly the last jedi has added so much stress to my life this past year though. It's frustrating that people try to bend the arguments to make it out like you can't like this film. With that being said, thank you everyone who is respectful and realizes people like and value different things. Great video man!
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 wise words my
Friend. Wise words
Great video. I hate how everything needs to be categorized. Who cares? I just love all of Star Wars. This is truly the best time to be a Star Wars fan, be happy we're getting all these new stories.
And now let me make a list and categorize the films:
11: Rogue One
10: The Clone Wars Movie
9: Solo
8: Attack of the Clones
7: The Phantom Menace:
6: Return of the Jedi
5: Revenge of the Sith
4: The Force Awakens
3: A New Hope
2: The Last Jedi
1: The Empire Strikes Back
I put Rogue One at the bottom, but that doesn't mean I don't like it. I love the movie and will watch it anytime, anywhere.
11: The Phantom Menace
10: TCW - Movie
9: Attack of the clones
8: Rogue One
7: A new Hope
6: Revenge of the Sith
5: Solo (close)
4: TFA
3: Return of the Jedi
2. Empire
1. TLJ (very very close)
I think after a certain point I dont really enjoy watching a movie anymore. Of course every movie has something to love, but in some cases its barely visible. I think that line for me is somewhere around Rogue one or AnH.
1. Rogue One
2. Revenge of the Sith
3. Empire Strikes Back
4. The Last Jedi
5. The Force Awakens
6. A New Hope
7. Solo
8. Return of the Jedi
9. The Phantom Menace
10. Attack of the Clones
11. The Clone Wars Movie
I love Rogue One. It's third act is perfect in my opinion and whilst the first two are a bit slow I really liked how they delved out the workings in the empire and the rebellion. Revenge of the Sith is a guilty pleasure.
Fat Tony Well The revenge of sith was the only movie in the prequel trilogy that was actually compelling and interesting. It depicts Anakins turn to the dark side and his transition into Darth Vader. Its the only decent one out of the trilogy, which isnt saying much in my opinion.
@@cynicalmemester1694 Yea, it's kind of the story I wanted to see from the entire trilogy but got mostly condensed into the single film which makes it a bit rushed like in an instant Anakin goes from loyal jedi to murdering younglings.
The other two films most glaring problem is the conflicting tones. Episode one has fart jokes and then long periods talking about taxation. Episode 2 has long periods where it's trying to be a romance which wasn't well done. At least episode 3 is consistent throughout and the vfx are far improved.
Fat Tony I understood what George Lucas was trying to depict, but it failed miserably. The movie expects us to feel sympathy and empathy towards Anakin, but it fails in doing so, the movie expects us to think that the Jedi are nothing but arrogant and hypocritical but it never shows us that, rather only tells us. In order to understand the conflicts characters go through, those conflicts need to be illustrated or shown, not just told.
I've liked every piece of Star Wars I've ever found, even the cringe-worthy stuff, because Star Wars can be both and acceptable in a way few things of such broad interest can be. I was un-surprised by the entire video, but I am still glad you made it!
Yeah I still like it one year later
I used to hate TLJ, upon rewatching it, I actually found it pretty good! Although I still would’ve appreciated a bit more risk taking after the scene with Rey and Kylo fighting, where instead of going right back to the way it was, Sith vs Jedi, dark vs light, maybe we could’ve gotten a true grey Jedi faction. Then all of Luke’s talk about why the Jedi need to end would’ve actually been proven to be beneficial. Also the entire Canto Byte section (I don’t know how to spell it sorry) shouldn’t be in the film. Instead we should’ve gotten more of Rey’s training, and more of her temptation towards the dark side, which would again, culminate into the creation of a more grey order. Nevertheless, the movie is still pretty good once I cooled off from my initial dislike of the movie.
I feel like last Jedi was a test of a star wars movie
1. It tested what fans want, like if they want a bloodline instead of a normal person who is force sensitive.
2. They wanted to know how they should treat the old characters(in which episode 9 will change)
3. How to proceed with the story's and how to handle them, like to not just do three storylines in 2 hours.
4. Which directors and producers to choose and not to choose
5. How to proceed with the characters arcs
That's it
Hey guys, there’s a Star Wars marathon on TNT right now, just FYI
I agree agreedo.
I rewatched this movie for the first time last night. I enjoyed it a lot more. Originally I felt as a movie it was like a 6/10 and as Star Wars a 7/10. Now I feel like it’s an 8/10 and a 9/10. Luke in this movie is so well done. I really love this movie and all though I can admit that I think Empire is probably a little better, I do enjoy TLJ more.
If you think about it, TLJ completes Luke's arc from Empire
Interesting, even Mark Hammil hated the way Luke was handled in TLJ.
@@damiansaucedo9951 Mark also hated how Luke was done in Return of the Jedi
I just didn't bring it up because TLJ outdid TFA by being completely terrible.
Damian Saucedo
Haha I love cherrypicking! Ignore him going back on that later and saying he was proud and liked the final product.
Also, Alec Guinness famously thought Star Wars was stupid. So I guess the OT is also horrible. You gigantic hypocrite.
I'll try to be brief: I hate the film. The more I've tried to give it a chance, the more thing I find about it I really dislike or just flat out hate.
It's not even the ideas presented, but how poorly developed the script seems. So many things feel unearned and the tone is horribly confusing. I feel like Rian had some ideas, wrote a draft and they made the movie out of that. I feel that script needed 6 more months to a year in the oven. That's just me though. And yeah, I don't like quantifying about media either.
And yeah, I've had my fair share of good discussions. The one I had with AT-AT Chat was really good.
Trim Prism Saaaaame. I get why some people like it, but all this “subverting expectations” just didn’t work out. If a film wants to subvert expectations, it should give us an equally if not more satisfying result. TLJ doesn’t follow through, and it’s just so unsatisfying to watch.
Yeah rian trying to play out his vision didn't work out and only goes to show how careful one most be hiring directors for an established movie franchise.
@@yooian I highly recommend watching schrallif productions video on the last jedi/infinity war. It's interesting, well written and it does a good job comparing how the last jedi fails in its subversion while infinity war does
I mean more polish for a script cant be bad. I liked the movie, but I think that makes sense.
@@IdontknowwhatImdoing539
I like TLJ and Infinitiy war is good, but I dont think one can argue that Infinity war ever wanted to or could subvert expectations even if it wanted. Not only the storyline is pre established in concept, but even the whole part 1 and 2 split gave away pretty early on what would happen.
By comparing it, the only reason Infinitiy war could be better in subverting expectations than TLJ is because it didnt.
I think they are both good but not really as compareable, exept from some minor story tropes and them both beeing a movie.
I don't expect anyone to have the same list:
1. Return of the jedi
2. Empire strikes back
3. A new hope
-The ones above are fantastic
4 The last Jedi
5. Revenge of the Sith
6. The force awakens
-The ones above are good
7. Attack of the clones
8. Solo
9. Rogue one
10. The Phantom Menace
- The ones above are bad
What I never understood was why people always refer to The Last Jedi as "good, but flawed." Because, last time I checked, every single film is flawed, it's just a matter of whether or not we're willing to admit that. People choose to deify certain movies, yet neglect to apply that same objectivity to others. I *know* that if I scrutinized the original trilogy with the same degree of gravitas typical of today's standards, those films would not be able to withstand it. Yet, I'm supposed to turn a blind eye to those allegedly "incorruptible" films in spite of the fact that they're just as, if not more absurd? No, never. Screw that.
Every film is flawed so when somebody says it’s great, you know there are flaws already, but when somebody says it’s flawed, they’re intentionally bringing up the flaws despite knowing that all movies are flawed, which shows the flaws are more significant. (Personally I think it’s got way more amazing stuff than it does flaws.)
@@Lenny-ue8hk See, that's just it. Who has the right to dictate that one film's flaws supercede those of another? It's at that point when the deciding factor is bias, plain and simple. The basis upon which we judge films today is made of sand, unreliable and malleable.
I've always found it to be interesting when people are so sure of themselves, and of their point of view. An idea is like an incurable cancer, a bulletproof assassin. Once somebody has an idea instilled in their mind it's almost impossible to change it. And, it's for that reason why an opinion can be wrong. For the sole reason that a person's outlook will shift and change like an unruly wave in the sea. These are just my nagging thoughts.
Can we have more cuts to Greedo in odd poses and positions? Thanks.
10:33 - My Star Wars are the Prequels AND The Clone Wars and I have loved (and still love) the entire Prequel franchise (related books, comics, etc) since 2008, @HelloGreedo! ;D
The Last Jedi gets better with every viewing.
Watched recently and its still bad to me . just my opinion
@@fredrickgarrettsr2632 I respect your opinion good sir. I enjoyed it personally.
@@Roge9 great its star wars i wanted to be rite there with u but its just for me i hope ep 9 is great but and bring us fans the joy we all want from star wars!!!
It's still shit.
Maybe so, Subterrel, but I just can't stomach it again. Flying Leia, Nipple Sucking Luke, shirtless Kylo, Rose and Fynn's nonsensical romance. Nope.
The Last Jedi has some problems, but when it's good, it really is good.
Despite all of the reviewers/comments sections/outrage farmers picking this movie apart and branding it as some sort of a unholy abomination, I honestly don’t think the movie is that bad.
It’s still my least favorite out of the new wave of movies but I still find myself getting some enjoyment out of it, mainly from the performances of Adam Driver and Mark Hamill, they easily make the movie for me.
I just wished that it could have been better in the other stuff like with the rebel escape plot line, the way how they handled characters like Poe, Finn, and Rose was pretty disappointing.
I still put it above the prequels (neck and neck with ROTS).
maybe you didnt care for the lore or chr like other fans who hate the movie do
Watch out Hello Greedo. You have a different opinion and that means Mauler and Dishonoured Wolf will make a whiny 3 hour video about how youre wrong and they are right. Its a sloppy film but I still love it. To each their own.
Tyson Tremblay 10/10 comment right here!
Tyson Tremblay Mauler and Dishonored Wolf are the type of people who have a lot to say but they don’t spend time to actually have it make sense. They’re the type of students who think saying a bunch of long-winded words randomly put together is supposedly a sentence.
Tyson Tremblay They are the losers that no one should ever take seriously. Not that they dislike it, that’s fine. But how they dislike it.
Thanks guys. Youre all 100% correct.
Tyson Tremblay And they are allowed to do that. HelloGreedo is open to be scrutinized, just like any other TH-camr.
I have one question for you HelloGreedo, If it is as you say the 95-99% of Fans that are the way you described, why didn't they still show up and watch Solo?
I really dislike TLJ, no hate if anyone likes it/loves it and I still showed up for Solo. I have attended every opening night midnight screening of each new Star Wars movies since the prequels.
Sadly I have seen the audience decline at the midnight screenings for each new Star Wars movie that has come out under Disney. When I saw the prequels, not an empty seat, when I saw TFA, again not an empty seat but since then, it's been a big decline. So I can only hope that the movies greatly improve for ALL fans.
Cheers and Happy New Year!
I actually like the movie better than I did a year ago because I’ve had time to notice more of the details in relation to the message of the movie. It’s far from a perfect film, but because the writers took time to focus strongly on the message, and not what people wanted, is what really makes it for me. Luke changed from a legendary hero to a man who struggled to fill expectations that was broken by it. Rey changed from a starry-eyed fan to someone searching for truth no matter what side. Finn going from selfish to selfless. Poe going from cocky full-blast to someone who has learned to take a moment to think. Ben changing from someone trying to live up to his grandfather to a person who has only felt pain and searches to make others feel the same.
HelloGreedo - ‘a silly ass TH-cam channel’ 🤣 Merry Christmas, dude.
I love you. You are one of the few SW channels I still subscribe to and I really needed to hear this. Happy holidays and I hope you and your family are doing well.
I still really like it
I honestly never get tired of this movie!
Dude this is the most to heart video I have seen in all of Star Wars, I completely agree with you. It just feels like every corner you turn too is just hate. But that’s far from the truth. Going to celebration this year and the past couple of weeks has really showed me there are fans out there like me that still love these movies and flicks. I am glad you enjoyed TLJ ,so did i
Thank you. Offline I've had some of the best conversations about this movie and all the new movies, and it's always respectful. It really is the Internet that brings out the worst of us. I honestly just want peace in the fandom, we don't have to agree on everything but we can at least respect each other and leave the directors, actors and producers who are just doing their job alone. This toxicity really doesn't do anything good. Or rather it has only helped some truly repulsive people profit off from the outrage and that's honestly awful. Star Wars doesn't have to be part of the ridiculous "culture war" that plagues the Internet. Even if the new movies aren't for everyone please don't support people that are manipulating that dislike for their own selfish gain.
I wish this were the top comment.
This video is so calming. I never feel as “live and let live” as when I’m listening to Greedo’s voice and that background music.
Great, thoughtfull video! That’s it. I’ve nothing more to say.
Thanks for making my day a little better!
Can’t believe it’s already been a year.
Oh hey, I loved your performance in Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse.
Charlie Love Oi, I haven’t seen the movie yet no spoilers
@@nicolascage4812 got it
My God! TLJ is a year old already?!
I still love it as much as I did a year ago.
A year later and........ I still love it. If you dont thats fine, but i always will.
I was 16 years old when you created this channel lol I remember subscribing just because of the stormtrooper helmet.
My names Brodie and I'm 18 years old (turning 19 soon). I remember my dad taking me to see episode 3 in theaters when I was 5 years old. Growing up I loved the prequels. I never knew how much people hated them until I was around 11 or 12. I was kinda surprised because they were my favorite movies. I'll admit there is some rough dialogue and maybe some of the CGI in the phantom menace is dated, but over all I still love them to this day. Honestly man like all the sound effects and music is burned into my memory and I get pretty nostalgic every time i hear a battledroid say a certain line or even the sound of a door opening in star wars. I will always defend the prequels. Thanks for reading all this!!
I agree with you. TLJ was good. 7/10 is realistic score
A year ago I sat down in the movie theater and for two and a half hours I had so much fun, that I don't think any movie will ever top that. To this day TLJ is the only Star Wars movie that made me tear up (albeit with tears of pure joy), and I wish more people saw it with my eyes, but art just doesn't work that way.
Was a bit hesitant to click the "like" button - not because I disagree, but because every time i like something SW-related, my recommended feed becomes cluttered with dumb clickbait titles like "Disney killed Star Wars/my childhood/my cat". Seriously, videos like that make a great disservice to people with legitimate criticisms about the movie.
1. Completely agree
2. COMPLETELY AGREE
And I dont just mean that it in an hyperbolic way, it really is true.
Thankfully there is the “I’m not interested” button that you can press!
@@aninterestingpenguin9374 Yeah, but I don't think it works properly. Feels like it resets after a while.
Then again, TH-cam algorithm is kinda wonky - sometimes it keeps recommending videos that I'd already watched and liked.
@@aninterestingpenguin9374
I also think it doesnt really work as it should and sometimes it doesnt even show up for me or doesnt do anything at all.
My mouth was hung open when Snoke died, because as of that moment I felt it was pretty much an Empire rehash with a little RotJ thrown in, but then it happened, the lightsaber ignited, Snoke's jaw dropped in unison with mine, and BOOM in we go to the duel with the Praetorian guards.
I have to say that at that moment I was so giddy and I was having the time of my life it was on such a huge incline at that point because then we go into the part of the Finn and Rose plot I enjoyed where they are off of Canto Bight and on the actual star destroyer, you get Kylo Ren and Rey fighting over the lightsaber, you have Holdo doing the hyperspace kamikaze(Something that people got upset over just so they could have another thing to complain about), you have Finn and Phasma fighting(Finally Phasma actually sort of did something), and you have Yoda slapping sense into Luke.
Just so freaking awesome, the last part of the movie is up there with the last part of Revenge for me
MY Star Wars is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8
I have allot of respect for RJ actually trying to be original and not just making typical corporate, copy of every fantasy/sci-fi film. As for the film itself, I think it's perfectly fine. It's very well made, has a good message and has some genuine heartfelt moments.
No true Star Wars fan would admit to liking Star Wars in any form other than retroactivity.
Thank goodness for greedo...one of the only Star Wars TH-camrs who actually talks sense within a very ridiculously OTT toxic fanbase.
My bother and 2 Sisters don't even know there's a split. They like the movie and probably think basically everyone does and are looking forward to 9. Also they probably don't care what others on the internet thinks about it rightly so.
That was me when I first saw the prequels, I was young, they were awesome, and I cried hard when Anakin shouted to Obi-Wan "I HATE YOU!"
Of course around when I was 12 I started learning that you're not allowed to like those movies....which made me like them more, same thing is happening with the sequels, go figure.
I still love Rey and Kylo Ren and I love how they handle luke ,
Kylo Ren is a punk bitch
I don't understand how people like rey she is the most boring Mary sue character ever.
Vengineer well opinion aren't facts .
Solid Fisher your opinion man
He's a whiney bitch that killed his own father.
It only makes me mad when people start trying to convince others to boycott the new movies if they’re a real fan. I’m going to see every new Star Wars movie and come to my own conclusions thank you very much.
@HelloGreedo I think the biggest problem with The Last jedi isnt just polarizing opinions, its polarizing ideas of what makes star wars "Star Wars". And I think it's gone to the point that no one truly understands why it matters to a lot of ppl when they HATE this movie. Sure I've had civil discussions. But I still to this day never seen a last jedi supporter attempt or put any effort in truly trying to understand why this movie makes me want to NOT be a star wars fan anymore.