Remember, that cops can do this to any house in any state at any time, based on an anonymous prank phone call. That doesn't sound like we have any rights to me.
You would be right. It doesn't even have to be a change in the law. The most recent period during which police departments were most actively engaged in internal reform was the period immediately after Micah Xavier Johnson shot 14 police officers in Dallas, Texas during a BLM protest. Only five cops died and agencies across the country were JUMPING to take responsibility for their own mistakes and misdeeds. Perfect policing is impossible, and I'm pretty sure that everyone accepts that bad actors in uniform exist as well as decent cops who make mistakes that harm the public. Most people would be satisfied to merely see that actions that would unambiguously be illegal for a normal person to perform result in some kind of consequence for a uniformed officer to perform. Some modicum of responsibility being taken would be enough. It sucks that it requires the murder of police to attain that, but it looks like it doesn't require much. Even if society decided that ten officers a year needed killing specifically in the name of reform to keep the rest on their toes, it still wouldn't make policing as dangerous as delivering food or driving a taxi.
@@bearnaff9387 Particularly, delivering food or driving a taxi exposes those people to the attention of ... cops. That appears to me to be a large part of the greater danger.
@@chrisbudesa frankly qualified immunity is okay, but there needs to be a reasonable standard to disqualify that. There are times where it really can't be helped but also it should be deemed to reasonability, aka for example when searching for a person to not go and destroy everything you can.
Yeah, but if you make rules holding the police accountable, the police won't endorse you, you will be called anti-police, and then not get elected. So, just tuck that way down deep.
The first step to that is abolish Qualified Immunity. The Doctrine of Qualified Immunity is nothing more than a SCOTUS created document that is treated as if it were law. There are no Federal, State or Local laws on the books that specifically details what "Qualified Immunity" is and how it should function beyond what is mentioned in the Doctrine. The real threat to everything that keeps government officials and employees unaccountable is that doctrine. Some legal wiz needs to figure out a way to get these UNCONSTITUTIONAL doctrines abolished and not able to be created again either by doctrine or law. Even if laws were created those can be challenged in the courts. These doctrines are much more difficult to challenge since they are not laws.
obvious to anyone who gets this kind of news, sadly many are too drowsy in a zombie like sleep they will only respond when it gets to them, natural way of things i guess. Society is rotting but none the wiser they are dying to a vicious infection as it kills the nerves as it eats away at us all.
Even during Iraqi Freedom, the U.S. Government compensated Iraqi civilians if troops inadvertently destroyed someone's property or killed someone. As a Commander's Emergency Response Program (CERP) officer one of my duties was to pay these claims. I paid out claims for damaged homes, a damaged car, the death of some sheep, and the death of someone's son.
That's a good effort, but I'm sure plenty of people were not around to file claims when entire families were deleted with a swift press of a button from an F-18.
What a vile police dept and policy. The massive amounts of extra damage makes what they did very suspect. When they destroy the cameras you know the cops were doing criminal actions.
Those cops knew that they screwed up and they were looking for something in the house to justify ransacking everything. There is no way they thought they were going to find a criminal in a chest of drawers
@@BlackJesus8463I guarantee if this had been a fellow cop's house they would've taken all the care and due diligence in the world to double check everything, review the video cameras, and minimize damage to the property.
They took the 15 year old kid for no reason without a warrant or anything to do with the person they were looking for. Would this be considered kidnapping or false imprisonment? The other question is if the kid came out willingly, why destroy the house? It seems like excessive force that was completely unjustified.
They destroyed the house because they thought that someone was still inside. Obviously they didn't listen to the kid or the property owner. And yes, it was grossly excessive, but "Officer Safety" means that they can do pretty much whatever they want to avoid injury.
@@Ridinfixinman I didn’t see the video but the moment the kid opened the door or even if it was kicked in they could have identified themselves, tell him, and announce to anyone that might be in the house that they have a warrant and walk around without breaking more things.
@@Upsidedownfoodpyramid the kid didn't immediately come out, but did after a few moments. He didn't resist or cause problems. He stated that there was no one else inside, even so they were completely convinced that their suspect remained inside.
Yeah, 'we would not be able to do our jobs effectively if we were held accountable for our mistakes' is going to be their excuse. It's always their excuse. They go to wrong addresses, they guess wrong, their bullets miss the target and hit bystanders, and they carry no accountability for all of this. As for IP Addresses, yeah those aren't a reliable indicator of physical location.
Then we the people cannot be held accountable if we come out shooting. We also need to know who all of the police officers involved were and their responsibility. Welcome to the USSA.
If you can't do your job effectively such that you have to destroy innocent folks' property without compensation then you don't deserve that job in the first place.
Qualified immunity should be subject to reasonable due diligence. In my opinion qualified immunity should require a) a quarterly signed code of conduct that indicates qualified immunity is conditional on reasonable due diligence b) that existing procedures must adequately followed c) that those with qualified immunity do everything reasonable to manage the risk of unanticipated negative consequences under penalty of removal of qualifed status and d) may be held personally liable for any negligence that occurs as a result of activities they authorize.
@@jasonstromberg tell me about it. about 10 years ago i had a reason to file a claim, and ALLSTATE, gratefully paid. then I INCREASED my insurance a few year later (paying them MORE money) and when I had a similar claim (like almost exactly the same claim, and repair) ALLSTATE denied the claim. More money == less consideration. never forget how insurance works: you give them a bunch of money, and they keep it. so simple.
Yeah. The guy going to jail. I’m sure he’s got a 401k and an account at Chase with a couple million in there so the woman can waste her time suing someone with ZERO ability to ever pay her back.
This would be devastating. I would be furious. How the hell do you destroy family photos looking for a person? That's just the cops being totally a$$holes and getting personal.
So if the suit were narrowed down to the items damaged/destroyed and not the residence itself, would that change anything? The warrant was for a person and not photographs or clothes. It still boggles my mind on how this isn't considered a "takung" by the government. Would LOVE to see this change after police "accidentally" do this to a Judge's or lawmaker's home.
@@micwclar Kind of like how something ALMOST happened to gun regulation in Tennessee when one of the governor's friends was personally affected by a mass shooting. But the legislators talked him out of it.
@@BlackJesus8463 It's probably standard policy to destroy external cameras so someone hiding inside can't see where the SWAT officers are, which is understandable. But that doesn't excuse them from having to repair the damage when there is a mistake like this.
@@andydelle4509 Paint is fast, can be cleaned, and requires no leverage. Smashed cannot be cleaned, and depending on the location and type of camera might actually be harder to do.
I question the "emergency". What was so damn important that they couldn't wait to verify that they had the right location? Does this mean the person they were looking for comited some heinous action that was time sensitive? How is this an emergency taking? In their minds they had the drop on the guy. They should have got eyes on him before they did anything. They escalated the situation to hell & back.
Another issue in this particular case, because the police took the unusual step of securing a warrant for a search to find the fugitive, is the moronic judge who never bothered to question the "facts" in the warrant, but just blindly signed it without questioning it.
Intentionally does not provide justice. A few bad judgments ruin it for everyone. That;'s way too much power for any individual to have and lifetime appointments are the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
What frightens me most is the inevitability that someone will rightly defend themselves in one of these situations. The property owner is never given the opportunity to verify that the home invaders are actual law enforcement.
Years back a business owner in Georgia got killed by police in the middle of the night in his own home during a no knock warrant because he thought someone was breaking into the house. The warrant was based on the testimony of someone who'd just stolen his truck.... No repercussions for the cops when I read the story. Calling it a "justice" system is laughable.
I don't recall the name of the case/victim, but I've read about a case in Texas of all places similar to what you describe. The police broke into the wrong home unannounced in the middle of the night, so the home owner defended themselves by shooting and killing one of the cops in question before they were taken down and arrested. They charged the guy with murder, but shockingly they failed to convince a grand jury that a crime had been committed so the home owner was released.
I do not understand how this could possibly not be a violation of the takings clause. The government destroys everything you own in the furtherance of a public function (finding a fugitive) and they owe you no "just compensation"?
Yeah I don't understand how that isn't decided on an item by item basis. They may call it an emergency when it comes down to breaking down the front door. But does it serve to handle an emergency to rip down the curtains and destroy photos?
Was it an emergency, and a necessity, to destroy a bathroom mirror? What about the tiny vent's tiny panel? I'd LOVE to hear some city lawyer try and defend that one...
The courts would probably say it doesn't violate the takings clause because they didn't actually take anything. And there's nothing in the constitution that says they can't destroy everything you own for no reason.
Because Judges as an institution only work when they're scared of the people because the people are their check. When Judges get to act with impunity they tend to side with the people who give them their paycheck i.e. the government who force people at gunpoint to pay taxes.
@@AlwaysBored123 i remember watching a video it may have been Steve Lehto or another lawyer discussing a case where someone removed a GPS tracking device that police had put on their car and they were convicted of theft even tho they didn't take possession of said device only just removed it and tossed it. In the end the court ruled that just the act of rendering it useless was equivalent to taking it
Saw the video of that raid and officers were looking in drawers where no one can possibly hide. These cops just wanted to punish anyone they thought was assisting the fugitive.
This is why police and prosecutors should be held responsible for their actions. This type of attitude and behavior is why regular people no longer respect law enforcement
I don't think the individual officers should be on the hook when honest errors occur as part of their duties, but the state should be on the hook for what their employees do on the clock like any other business to make whole those affected.
Then the officers should get bonded and insured! The rest of America is held accountable for their actions when they fuck up! Why should government agents be any different than the people who are employing them?
@@mhegge56 It's more a matter of not having someone being liable for the normal functions of their legal job. If a police officer is told this house has a fugitive and they have to get them out and the superiors turn out to be wrong why should the low ranking officer that had every expectation he was doing the right thing be liable? The state that sent him in with wrong information should however have to pay. Police do a job that they are expected to take actions that would be illegal for anyone else and outside of circumstances where the officer was clearly not conducting himself lawfully should be the responsibility of the government they're acting on behalf of. I find it ridiculous that the state can hide behind the officer and say we had no role but since he was acting on our behalf there can be no lawsuit.
@@theyaden since the Supreme Court ruled that they are not required to serve and protect the people then they should be held accountable for their actions!
Since it only takes a phone call to get this to happen, a few phone calls and you'd have a fair few judges who would suddenly see the situation a lot differently.
You really have to wonder about the extent of damages. It seems they tear the place up only because they can. I understand the need to enter a home in an emergency or with a warrant but I can’t believe that making the home unlivable is necessary to their pursuit.
They could have easily prevented this if they would have actually done some INVESTIGATION. Put the house under surveillance for a period of time, monitored their suspects online activity for awhile longer, etc. What they did instead is completely unacceptable and an innocent person could have been killed. The more these kinds of things occur, the less supportive they are going to find the public, especially when no one is held accountable
@@mr_imperfectiongamingchann1962 Yep. The farther the scales of power tip (or are tipped) in the police's (government) favor, the more of this Judge Dredd crap you'll see. They will ultimately come and go and do as they please to us at any time for any reason - you know, to fight crime. It is the natural evolution of power. But the funny thing is that the US already has the highest percentage of incarcerated people AND the highest rate of recidivism (incl Russia and China) among modern countries and yet our crime stats are not the highest by any stretch... Doesn't add up...
Dude they destroyed even her family photos. They were like a bunch of crooked thugs out having a blast destroying someone's life. Like they have any intention of ever doing the right thing.
Because they get a kick out of doing it. One of my son's friends got raided by the cops looking for "WEED". They tore that place to shreds and even tore the cabinet doors off the hinges. And of course didn't find anything. But they ripped off things just for the fun of it.
This happened to a friend of mine a few years ago. They fired tear gas into the house and burned the house down. He lost everything. Is there any reason why we don't trust law enforcement or the justice system anymore?
A pizza deliverer never fails to deliver my order to the house. And I have ordered pizza many, many times. No errors, ever! So, these stupid law enforcement thugs can't verify and double/ triple check the address for a SWAT raid?
The difference is that the pizza delivery person would have consequences for failing to delivery to the correct addresses, like termination! Police have ZERO consequences for their mistakes.
Maybe the cop was on the phone for hours with a frontline service rep who barely knew what they were doing and gave hime bad info. loljk I bet the guy was wanted for a victimless crime though.
@@roberteltze4850 And if the pizza delivery guy works for door dash/Uber eats/grub hub or some other such "gig service" rather than the pizza restaurant, the odds of errors start increasingly approaching law enforcement levels (at least that's how it appears if you spend any time on Reddit...)
How can anyone with an ounce of decency tell the home owner "Yeah we screwed up but your SOL Shit out of luck, now you got 30 days to clean this mess up or you'll be fined" you know they will make her clean it at her expense too.
They don't serve and protect citizens. It's been determined by the courts that this ain't their job. They serve and protect something else. Something VILE and DISGUSTING
When I first saw the title of this video it reminded me of a case from the 1980s where a swat team broke in during a child's birthday party. I tried to look it up to assist in my recall and it turns out not only are mistaken swat entries common but they happen frequently enough that many of them happen during children's birthday parties. That is pretty shocking. This seems like something that should go to the Supreme Court since these cases happen frequently enough to be plentiful.
Look into the battle of Athens Tenn. Aug. 1&2 1946. on how a stolen election caused a 6 hour gun battle & use of dynamite at a police station & brought justice in 1946 TN & America!!
no, they would have the damage repaired because there is a set of laws for us and the rules for them. Their rules are they are the house, and they always win. Sleepy Americans not realizing their house has caught fire and remain sedated by the fumes too unaware they are at death's door. Waiting for the metaphorical fire fighters to bust through the doors and shake us awake. The way things have gotten is just insane.
As long as leos are allowed to mistakenly wreck someone's home and smuggly tell that person they get stick "holding the bag of sh!+", an action one could ABSOLUTELY NOT get away with in the private sector, the disconnect/frustration with them will only get worse.
If "civilians" have to follow reasonable escalation of force for cases of self-defense, and police officers have to use proportional levels of force for criminals (tasers to guns) then police should have to use proportional levels for force for searching dwellers and deviating from that should require compensation. So breaking down a door and shooting holes into the wall because you saw a suspect enter a building is different than searching for a suspect without immediate evidence.
Here’s the thing. I don’t think citizens should have to follow “reasonable escalation of force” because that usually means citizens aren’t allowed to use more force than the criminal is using.
@@orppranator5230 I think its more reasonable force to ensure that you are not going to suffer more damage ie your honour had Istopped I believed that the person injuring me was not going to stop as the first pause in the initial action I taken that stopped the criminal they persisted so at the time I used reasonable force to ensure my safety.
How do the courts get things so wrong?! This is pure insanity… it is common sense that if you destroy someone’s property then you are liable. Don’t the police have insurance for this type of thing??
They'd spend a million to avoid paying this claim. Our tax dollars literally pay the folks that pay the folks to fight doing the right thing. Whole system is just a money grab 😡
BECAUSE,,,the cops are the strong arm of GOVERNMENT. All aspects of GOVERNMENT want a police force to do anything and everything other GOVERNMENT agencies want them to do.
OMG! Last Summer a SWAT team went in with flashbangs etc at my next door neighbors house early one morning. My little one block street looked like a Hollywood movie. My neighbor was arrested and the street was very happy about that. But a few days later, my gardener came to mow the lawn and he rang my doorbell to ask me what happened to my gate. I went out to check it out and my gate was trashed. The big thick bolts on it were bent 90 degrees. It must have taken a huge amount of force. We concluded it had to have been the SWAT team. Did the police tell me about it? No. Oh man was I upset. But I figured the police weren't going to pay for a new gate, so I just sucked it up and had the gate replaced on my own dime. ($850) But hearing this story about the police destroying the wrong home just made me feel a hell of a lot better as my situation could have been a whole lot worse.
We had a Hollywood situation at our house a couple of summers ago when the cops shot and killed my neighbor, who was having a mental health crisis. You never know what will happen when police have access to you and your property.
kinda how a deer feels better when a lion eats it's baby and it's just glad it escaped. i guess you can just have a new baby after all and boys will be boys or something like that right? it's just funny and ten times more sad and equal parts infuriating that this is the reaction we tend to have.
As citizens of our towns and cities we should tell our city council that if our local government makes a mistake like this that we want to make it right. Use our tax money to get the problem fixed and then work on training and other accountability to lessen the chances of this occurring again. So what if it costs us $1.00 each in taxes to make it right, we'll bear the cost. We want the government we pay for to be honorable. Not paying for these errors is not protecting citizens.
I already pay for their salaries and pensions , I’m not paying for their law suits too. That’s not a solution. They need to be arrested and prosecuted !
term limits. judges are human beings and all of us have a best by date and expiration date, many of the judges are well past the best by date and the damage they do in their unfit to serve state just kinda gets ignored. How many joe biden's are we going to have running important government offices that impact so many lives where the convenient excuse will be that it's not anyone's fault these men or women went mental in office, who could have known?? It's a bunch of scam artists running the world and at some point the new people take the wheel realizing the metaphorical car is going to run off the cliff as the driver is drunk and high as the damn rent, tuition and gas prices. it's like after dinner where someone brings up doing the dishes and everyone just kinda stares waiting to see who is going to do it so they don't have to.
WE LIVE IN A POLICE STATE. The cops trash places when they get warrants because anybody that isn't a cop is a bad guy. They served a warrant on a guy I know. He wasn't there when they came, but when he got home there was a Sherrif's card on his wide open front door. The AC was on high, the TV and stereo were on and cranked and they had trashed the place. He WAS the guy they were looking for, but what the hell?
I agree. My brother in law was a lawyer for a major city in the U.S., didn't stop the cops from no knock warranting by accident his home...lucky for him, they happened to recognize him and it helped stop things early. Cops have civil asset forfeiture, revenue police, violate constitutional rights, have qualified immunity, don't know the law, and on and on. We literally live in the police state. The 3 letter agencies hack people, install back doors, plant evidence, and on and on. Police, courts, everyone is in on it. I can prove all my statements. The most evil to me is the FBI literally hosting child stuff, over 50% of the content on the web in the name of protecting...and more. They also hacked businesses to remove "malware" after they claim the IT network admins didn't update systems leaving them vulnerable. Only thing is, they cleaned up after themselves and didn't tell anyone and it was around 3000 companies they hacked...that means you have no custody or chain of evidence or anything. Also, it is worse than that. They work with Google and others to violate rights, so now, imagine you are running against the government or big tech, there is nothing stopping them from planting things on your device, changing your internet histories, etc and then no knock warranting and ending you or just blasting it to the media and you will never get a chance to clear your name. All this is to say, we are far beyond police state.
People get elected when they pledge to be "tough on crime", and the laws get harsher. No one gets elected by pledging to dial things back a notch, so the laws stay harsher.
Any time I am tempted to once again love my country, I watch videos on government endorsed outrages like this, civil asset forfeiture, squatters' rights, police qualified immunity, Affirmative Action, Section 8 Housing etc., and I come right back to my senses!
Unless it's a static IP address it is so unreliable because those addresses can change multiple times daily. Just because you have the IP address one day or an hour ago doesn't mean that someone else in the city miles away could now have it. Sounds like an incompetent police department to me.
Static IP is still from the carrier block. Police have to go through the ISP to tie it back to a physical address. So it doesn't matter if it's a static or DHCP address.
@@joshmonus That's if the ISP isn't screwing things up. It also doesn't take into account you could have multiple people using the same IP (router) AKA your neighbor piggybacking off your network (exactly why you need a secure network and No sharing for an entire duplex).
This is what happens when corrupt people make laws. Any reasonable person would know that the government should be on the hook for making that innocent person whole again. If you had the power to say "nope, I'm not paying, you" you'd do it too.
"Did the 5th amendment say a taking except for emergency" makes me think of the exceptions that SCOTUS created for the 4th amendment. To me, the Court literally amended the Constitution when they created these exceptions. Maybe I'm wrong. Just my opinion.
@@imjashingyou3461 sorry I misunderstood. The exceptions vary from consent, plain view searches to incident to arrest, automobile, exigent, special needs ( such as at a border). Some like plain view and consent just seem common sense. Others are taken from law before the Constitution. Maybe I'm just being anal. I think that the exceptions should be written into the 4th. I get that there may just be too many. The fact that the Court can create legal doctrines out of what seems like thin air troubles me.
Law if often based on whether an action is "reasonable". In this case it seems clear that the police took punitive/recreational action that goes way beyond what is reasonable in searching for a fugitive.
You can be certain that if the police were financially responsible for their acts and couldn't hide behind qualified immunity, they'd be a lot more careful.
You can't blame the officers on the ground, they are under strict orders. It's like was said in the God Father saga, "I don't care who pulled the trigger, I want to know who gave the order"! The detectives on the case who are in a higher rank and salary level should bear the responsibility.
@@HollywoodHornetUnfortunately, As long as they are operating within the law, they are off the hook. I think the point of this video and comments is to get the law changed.
In Corpus Christi a SWAT team tried to raid a home. The homeowner took out the team WITH A HANDGUN! The jury acquitted the homeowner of all charges. SWAT raids have been curtailed. Imagine THAT!!
I'm about 40 years old, back when I was about 8 or 9 a swat team busted our front door. They intended to raid the house next door. When my father asked if they would replace the door, they stated they don't do that.
Years ago in Santa María, CA, the police broke down the door looking for the suspect who had a warrant for his arrest. The suspect was already in prison and the police said they would pay for a new door.
This is what we call - a police state. You have the power to change it by voting for the righ people, and holding them accountable. Escape the "Liberal V Conservative" cycle they have you trapped in. Vote independently for the right people, not party.
This happened to a client of mine a few years ago in Toronto. Not only did the police break into the wrong house, they were on the wrong street. The client was given a full apology from a senior officer and all damages were paid fully by the department.
they don't even have to say oops and most large entities, companies or government agencies alike don't say anything close to even oops as they don't want to appear to be at fault even when their argument has more holes in it than a bomber in wwII after getting shot with anti air flak and turned into swiss cheese, no they'd rather piss in your glass and tell you it's lemonade despite having filled the glass and zipping up their pants right in front of you. it's a modern wonder that so many people gladly drink it and keep coming back for more rounds. stupid has become the new average it seems. just wow.
Wonder how a legislator would feel if this happened to their house? And what kind of message are they sending their children; you can go into someone's home with a baseball bat, damage everything in their home and there are no consequences for your actions? If so they will either be visiting their children in prison, or visiting a grave site when the homeowner shoots them. Why is holding someone(s) who f'd up who caused damage so hard, do the right thing and STOP MAKING DAMN EXCUSES FOR YOUR BAD BEHAVIOR, AND FIX THE PROBLEM? Make sure you do NOT make the same mistake again, and the taxpayers should NOT be on the hook for the bill either, they did not f'ck this person's home up.
Reminder using Tear Gas is considered a war crime by the Geneva Convention but using it against your own citizens is considered a lawful tool for gaining compliance. This also only refers just to its pain inducing and asphyxiating properties and has no bearing on its incendiary properties like seen at Waco. Indiscriminate use of incendiaries against civilian populations is a separate war crime under the Geneva Convention.
Making them pay would also diminish the punitive vandalism that occurs when police "search" a house. If you ever see the aftermath it is obvious that the primary purpose is often to destroy property not to search.
It's absolutely insane that police can raid your house for now reason, ruin everything you own, and then not make you whole financially. Absolutely f u c k that
Remember, you only need 10 to 20 times the money to hire lawyers and hold the government accountable for doing a few hundred thousand in damages. Easy right?
The biggest problem is all of these damned judges who are "Supposed" to be the guardrails between our rights and law enforcement, signing these warrants on the FLIMSIEST of evidence.
Every time i hear a story like this it makes me want to become an officer to soley do this and other ridiculous things like civil asset forfieture just to lawmakers and judges so we can throw their own words back at them.
An insurance company is going to have to offer a policy to cover this in order to pay for appeals to reach SCOTUS. The problem for all these people is they lack the resources to continually appeal their cases long enough while their homes are destroyed.
Incidents like this are why I will continue to not consider rendering assistance to any law enforcement officer for any reason...including to save their life.
Call the state police or county sheriff and have each officer arrested for grand larceny, vandalism? They need to be personally charged with crimes, not just restitution. They need to face criminal charges. This is more than financial costs.
How can any government claim it has any confidence in its law enforcement when it refuses to fully compensate innocent people adversely affected by that enforcement?
As long as the law of the land, & the court system continues to allow the Law Enforcement Community to behave & act in a manner, where there is limited to no accountability for their actions, problems & events such as this will continue to occur. And yes, that was a run-on sentence. ;) Just my two cents on the matter.
Remember, that cops can do this to any house in any state at any time, based on an anonymous prank phone call. That doesn't sound like we have any rights to me.
They''re in the walls!
But, but, but, we have freedoms!
We have 'privileges'. Rights are not rights if someone can take them away. - George Carlin
It happened to me on a prank call,,,I almost got shot from the cops and nothing became of it.
Good thing my house is highly set up for intruders. Signs at the door to inform intruders.
Something tells me if the laws ever change and law enforcement end up legally liable for damages these “mistakes” would be much less common
There is a national movement underway to end qualified immunity.
You would be right. It doesn't even have to be a change in the law. The most recent period during which police departments were most actively engaged in internal reform was the period immediately after Micah Xavier Johnson shot 14 police officers in Dallas, Texas during a BLM protest. Only five cops died and agencies across the country were JUMPING to take responsibility for their own mistakes and misdeeds.
Perfect policing is impossible, and I'm pretty sure that everyone accepts that bad actors in uniform exist as well as decent cops who make mistakes that harm the public. Most people would be satisfied to merely see that actions that would unambiguously be illegal for a normal person to perform result in some kind of consequence for a uniformed officer to perform. Some modicum of responsibility being taken would be enough.
It sucks that it requires the murder of police to attain that, but it looks like it doesn't require much. Even if society decided that ten officers a year needed killing specifically in the name of reform to keep the rest on their toes, it still wouldn't make policing as dangerous as delivering food or driving a taxi.
@@bearnaff9387 Particularly, delivering food or driving a taxi exposes those people to the attention of ... cops. That appears to me to be a large part of the greater danger.
@@chrisbudesa frankly qualified immunity is okay, but there needs to be a reasonable standard to disqualify that. There are times where it really can't be helped but also it should be deemed to reasonability, aka for example when searching for a person to not go and destroy everything you can.
And that’s why swatting is so heinous
Then they wonder why people hate the police and politicians, there needs to be laws that hold them accountable.
I bet the guy was wanted for a victimless crime.
@@BlackJesus8463He was actually a murder suspect.
Yeah, but if you make rules holding the police accountable, the police won't endorse you, you will be called anti-police, and then not get elected. So, just tuck that way down deep.
There are already laws to hold them accountable. What there isn't, is people who will hold them accountable to those laws.
The first step to that is abolish Qualified Immunity. The Doctrine of Qualified Immunity is nothing more than a SCOTUS created document that is treated as if it were law. There are no Federal, State or Local laws on the books that specifically details what "Qualified Immunity" is and how it should function beyond what is mentioned in the Doctrine.
The real threat to everything that keeps government officials and employees unaccountable is that doctrine. Some legal wiz needs to figure out a way to get these UNCONSTITUTIONAL doctrines abolished and not able to be created again either by doctrine or law. Even if laws were created those can be challenged in the courts. These doctrines are much more difficult to challenge since they are not laws.
Cops :Destroy random person's home, refuse to fix it.
Also cops: Why do you hate us and shoot us 'for no reason'?!
This is the government the founders warned us about.
Oh THIS was the last straw. lol
Yes, the Republicans' government.
We live in an occupied country. We have located the domestic terrorists and they have impunity.
obvious to anyone who gets this kind of news, sadly many are too drowsy in a zombie like sleep they will only respond when it gets to them, natural way of things i guess. Society is rotting but none the wiser they are dying to a vicious infection as it kills the nerves as it eats away at us all.
Even during Iraqi Freedom, the U.S. Government compensated Iraqi civilians if troops inadvertently destroyed someone's property or killed someone. As a Commander's Emergency Response Program (CERP) officer one of my duties was to pay these claims. I paid out claims for damaged homes, a damaged car, the death of some sheep, and the death of someone's son.
That's a good effort, but I'm sure plenty of people were not around to file claims when entire families were deleted with a swift press of a button from an F-18.
What amazes me is that we can do this for other people, but not for our own.
They are also required to follow rules of engagement, when LEO in the U.S. can shoot its own citizens if they think your cellphone is a gun.
hahaha. are you serious?
the us did a genocide and i really doubt that any iraqi was compensated
@@eng3d Have a Happy Holiday.
What a vile police dept and policy. The massive amounts of extra damage makes what they did very suspect. When they destroy the cameras you know the cops were doing criminal actions.
It was an emergency though.
Exactly! Also no adult home to consent to the search warrant??
Those cops knew that they screwed up and they were looking for something in the house to justify ransacking everything. There is no way they thought they were going to find a criminal in a chest of drawers
The security cameras can notify the suspects in the house to the police locations increasing risk to police officers.
@@BlackJesus8463I guarantee if this had been a fellow cop's house they would've taken all the care and due diligence in the world to double check everything, review the video cameras, and minimize damage to the property.
They took the 15 year old kid for no reason without a warrant or anything to do with the person they were looking for. Would this be considered kidnapping or false imprisonment?
The other question is if the kid came out willingly, why destroy the house? It seems like excessive force that was completely unjustified.
They destroyed the house because they thought that someone was still inside. Obviously they didn't listen to the kid or the property owner. And yes, it was grossly excessive, but "Officer Safety" means that they can do pretty much whatever they want to avoid injury.
@@Ridinfixinman I didn’t see the video but the moment the kid opened the door or even if it was kicked in they could have identified themselves, tell him, and announce to anyone that might be in the house that they have a warrant and walk around without breaking more things.
The kid had nothing to do with the warrant.
@@Upsidedownfoodpyramid the kid didn't immediately come out, but did after a few moments. He didn't resist or cause problems. He stated that there was no one else inside, even so they were completely convinced that their suspect remained inside.
How does someone hide in such a way that the curtains are pulled down? Or a mirror for that matter?
Yeah, 'we would not be able to do our jobs effectively if we were held accountable for our mistakes' is going to be their excuse. It's always their excuse. They go to wrong addresses, they guess wrong, their bullets miss the target and hit bystanders, and they carry no accountability for all of this.
As for IP Addresses, yeah those aren't a reliable indicator of physical location.
On top of that, they change quite a bit. Depends on your ISP and other technical details.
Then we the people cannot be held accountable if we come out shooting. We also need to know who all of the police officers involved were and their responsibility. Welcome to the USSA.
This is an abuse of power and accountability. Nothing less and nothing more.
If you can't do your job effectively such that you have to destroy innocent folks' property without compensation then you don't deserve that job in the first place.
Sounds like an admission of guilt.
The judge who signed the order should be held personally liable too.
Qualified immunity should be subject to reasonable due diligence.
In my opinion qualified immunity should require a) a quarterly signed code of conduct that indicates qualified immunity is conditional on reasonable due diligence b) that existing procedures must adequately followed c) that those with qualified immunity do everything reasonable to manage the risk of unanticipated negative consequences under penalty of removal of qualifed status and d) may be held personally liable for any negligence that occurs as a result of activities they authorize.
will never happen.
Policing is the only industry (yes, industry) where there is no ramifications for not doing their due diligence.
That isn't accidental.
Insurance. Insurance companies doesn’t have to deliver what they sell either.
@@jasonstromberg tell me about it. about 10 years ago i had a reason to file a claim, and ALLSTATE, gratefully paid. then I INCREASED my insurance a few year later (paying them MORE money) and when I had a similar claim (like almost exactly the same claim, and repair) ALLSTATE denied the claim. More money == less consideration.
never forget how insurance works: you give them a bunch of money, and they keep it. so simple.
none for negligence, incompetence, ignorance, or violence, either.
Unfortunately no. This extends to a huge % of the legislative and judicial branches as well.
The criminals that destroyed her house should be held accountable
Yeah. The guy going to jail. I’m sure he’s got a 401k and an account at Chase with a couple million in there so the woman can waste her time suing someone with ZERO ability to ever pay her back.
This would be devastating. I would be furious. How the hell do you destroy family photos looking for a person? That's just the cops being totally a$$holes and getting personal.
materials exposed to tear or CS gas are ruined, furniture carpet etc need to be replaced.
So if the suit were narrowed down to the items damaged/destroyed and not the residence itself, would that change anything? The warrant was for a person and not photographs or clothes.
It still boggles my mind on how this isn't considered a "takung" by the government. Would LOVE to see this change after police "accidentally" do this to a Judge's or lawmaker's home.
@@micwclar Kind of like how something ALMOST happened to gun regulation in Tennessee when one of the governor's friends was personally affected by a mass shooting. But the legislators talked him out of it.
The officers involved and those supervising them should be prosecuted, with TRIPLE financial restitution ensured.
@@ghostshadow9046wallboard and kitchen cabinets too
Qualified immunity needs to be stripped from every government employee. Then the government workers may consider their actions.
I think it is fair that "detective" relinquish his house and all officers should be charged with criminal charges.
They should have to explain to a jury how they determined which wall to put a hole and why they broke the cameras.
@@BlackJesus8463 It's probably standard policy to destroy external cameras so someone hiding inside can't see where the SWAT officers are, which is understandable. But that doesn't excuse them from having to repair the damage when there is a mistake like this.
@@andydelle4509 A can of spray paint would do the same job...
@@gbprime2353 Time is of the essence in those in life safety situations and the paint would ruin the camera anyway,
@@andydelle4509 Paint is fast, can be cleaned, and requires no leverage. Smashed cannot be cleaned, and depending on the location and type of camera might actually be harder to do.
I question the "emergency". What was so damn important that they couldn't wait to verify that they had the right location? Does this mean the person they were looking for comited some heinous action that was time sensitive? How is this an emergency taking? In their minds they had the drop on the guy. They should have got eyes on him before they did anything. They escalated the situation to hell & back.
Another issue in this particular case, because the police took the unusual step of securing a warrant for a search to find the fugitive, is the moronic judge who never bothered to question the "facts" in the warrant, but just blindly signed it without questioning it.
Supreme court already ruled an IP address isn't the person. lolz
Judge also needs to be held accountable.
That's every judge in the country.
Could the affidavit that the warrent was based on be found insufficient, therefore the warrent was invalid?
@@Kurgosh1 I wish I could disagree, but I cannot. Judicial immunity is only one small step removed from sovereign immunity.
When you never get punished in any way for your mistakes, you're a cop.
Some people need justice served in ways the law cannot provide.
Blowtorches comes to mind
Intentionally does not provide justice. A few bad judgments ruin it for everyone. That;'s way too much power for any individual to have and lifetime appointments are the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
Nope, a 2A EoW!
@@rherman9085 what’s that mean?
@@UplandEconomist I don't know what EoW means, but 2A means Second Amendment.
What frightens me most is the inevitability that someone will rightly defend themselves in one of these situations. The property owner is never given the opportunity to verify that the home invaders are actual law enforcement.
You seem to have forgotten about Breonna Taylor.
See *Plummer v. State*
It's happened. Search on TH-cam: "cops shoot man at wrong house".
Years back a business owner in Georgia got killed by police in the middle of the night in his own home during a no knock warrant because he thought someone was breaking into the house. The warrant was based on the testimony of someone who'd just stolen his truck.... No repercussions for the cops when I read the story.
Calling it a "justice" system is laughable.
I don't recall the name of the case/victim, but I've read about a case in Texas of all places similar to what you describe. The police broke into the wrong home unannounced in the middle of the night, so the home owner defended themselves by shooting and killing one of the cops in question before they were taken down and arrested. They charged the guy with murder, but shockingly they failed to convince a grand jury that a crime had been committed so the home owner was released.
I do not understand how this could possibly not be a violation of the takings clause. The government destroys everything you own in the furtherance of a public function (finding a fugitive) and they owe you no "just compensation"?
Yeah I don't understand how that isn't decided on an item by item basis.
They may call it an emergency when it comes down to breaking down the front door. But does it serve to handle an emergency to rip down the curtains and destroy photos?
Was it an emergency, and a necessity, to destroy a bathroom mirror? What about the tiny vent's tiny panel? I'd LOVE to hear some city lawyer try and defend that one...
The courts would probably say it doesn't violate the takings clause because they didn't actually take anything. And there's nothing in the constitution that says they can't destroy everything you own for no reason.
Because Judges as an institution only work when they're scared of the people because the people are their check. When Judges get to act with impunity they tend to side with the people who give them their paycheck i.e. the government who force people at gunpoint to pay taxes.
@@AlwaysBored123 i remember watching a video it may have been Steve Lehto or another lawyer discussing a case where someone removed a GPS tracking device that police had put on their car and they were convicted of theft even tho they didn't take possession of said device only just removed it and tossed it. In the end the court ruled that just the act of rendering it useless was equivalent to taking it
Saw the video of that raid and officers were looking in drawers where no one can possibly hide. These cops just wanted to punish anyone they thought was assisting the fugitive.
This is absolutely beyond disgusting. PERIOD.
This is absolutely beyond disgusting SEMI-COLON ;
@@RedshirtAfficionado 😆😆😆 Good one!
Periods? Those are pretty icky but why are we talking about Periods?
This is why police and prosecutors should be held responsible for their actions. This type of attitude and behavior is why regular people no longer respect law enforcement
This is a great example of why there should not be any sort of qualified immunity for any public servant whether elected or appointed!
I don't think the individual officers should be on the hook when honest errors occur as part of their duties, but the state should be on the hook for what their employees do on the clock like any other business to make whole those affected.
What exactly is wrong with people being held accountable for their actions no matter what capacity they are in?
Then the officers should get bonded and insured! The rest of America is held accountable for their actions when they fuck up! Why should government agents be any different than the people who are employing them?
@@mhegge56 It's more a matter of not having someone being liable for the normal functions of their legal job. If a police officer is told this house has a fugitive and they have to get them out and the superiors turn out to be wrong why should the low ranking officer that had every expectation he was doing the right thing be liable? The state that sent him in with wrong information should however have to pay. Police do a job that they are expected to take actions that would be illegal for anyone else and outside of circumstances where the officer was clearly not conducting himself lawfully should be the responsibility of the government they're acting on behalf of.
I find it ridiculous that the state can hide behind the officer and say we had no role but since he was acting on our behalf there can be no lawsuit.
@@theyaden since the Supreme Court ruled that they are not required to serve and protect the people then they should be held accountable for their actions!
I bet you things would be different if the judge's house was destroyed, that it would be fixed quickly.
Since it only takes a phone call to get this to happen, a few phone calls and you'd have a fair few judges who would suddenly see the situation a lot differently.
You really have to wonder about the extent of damages. It seems they tear the place up only because they can. I understand the need to enter a home in an emergency or with a warrant but I can’t believe that making the home unlivable is necessary to their pursuit.
If police/SWAT go to the wrong address, they must be held accountable. But of course they won't, immunity and all.
It sounds like the police vandalized the house out of spite. Breaking mirrors, tearing down curtains etc. has nothing to do with finding a person.
They could have easily prevented this if they would have actually done some INVESTIGATION. Put the house under surveillance for a period of time, monitored their suspects online activity for awhile longer, etc. What they did instead is completely unacceptable and an innocent person could have been killed. The more these kinds of things occur, the less supportive they are going to find the public, especially when no one is held accountable
Police State!
@@mr_imperfectiongamingchann1962 Yep. The farther the scales of power tip (or are tipped) in the police's (government) favor, the more of this Judge Dredd crap you'll see. They will ultimately come and go and do as they please to us at any time for any reason - you know, to fight crime. It is the natural evolution of power. But the funny thing is that the US already has the highest percentage of incarcerated people AND the highest rate of recidivism (incl Russia and China) among modern countries and yet our crime stats are not the highest by any stretch... Doesn't add up...
EXACTLY !!!
That would take the FUN out of it.
Dude they destroyed even her family photos. They were like a bunch of crooked thugs out having a blast destroying someone's life. Like they have any intention of ever doing the right thing.
Why all the extra damage when they were just looking for someone? That makes no sense.
Because they get a kick out of doing it. One of my son's friends got raided by the cops looking for "WEED". They tore that place to shreds and even tore the cabinet doors off the hinges. And of course didn't find anything. But they ripped off things just for the fun of it.
They were looking for him in the walls and cameras.
Because they were already suited up and aren't liable for damages caused. Like, what do you expect them to do? Just leave quietly? Preposterous.
Its the EGO high cops get from it.
roid rage @@MrTrailerman2
This happened to a friend of mine a few years ago. They fired tear gas into the house and burned the house down. He lost everything. Is there any reason why we don't trust law enforcement or the justice system anymore?
A pizza deliverer never fails to deliver my order to the house. And I have ordered pizza many, many times. No errors, ever! So, these stupid law enforcement thugs can't verify and double/ triple check the address for a SWAT raid?
The difference is that the pizza delivery person would have consequences for failing to delivery to the correct addresses, like termination! Police have ZERO consequences for their mistakes.
The term "Keystone Kops" is not without merit.
Maybe the cop was on the phone for hours with a frontline service rep who barely knew what they were doing and gave hime bad info. loljk I bet the guy was wanted for a victimless crime though.
Bad analogy. You don't know that the pizza delivery guy didn't accidently go to the wrong house first.
@@roberteltze4850 And if the pizza delivery guy works for door dash/Uber eats/grub hub or some other such "gig service" rather than the pizza restaurant, the odds of errors start increasingly approaching law enforcement levels (at least that's how it appears if you spend any time on Reddit...)
How can anyone with an ounce of decency tell the home owner "Yeah we screwed up but your SOL Shit out of luck, now you got 30 days to clean this mess up or you'll be fined" you know they will make her clean it at her expense too.
This is how that serve and protect nonsense really works.
It is just an advertising slogan from an ad agency
@@kirkmorrison6131 I'm well aware.
To serve and enslave
@@roberthodges3646 yeah that's the truth
They don't serve and protect citizens. It's been determined by the courts that this ain't their job. They serve and protect something else. Something VILE and DISGUSTING
When I first saw the title of this video it reminded me of a case from the 1980s where a swat team broke in during a child's birthday party. I tried to look it up to assist in my recall and it turns out not only are mistaken swat entries common but they happen frequently enough that many of them happen during children's birthday parties. That is pretty shocking. This seems like something that should go to the Supreme Court since these cases happen frequently enough to be plentiful.
Look into the battle of Athens Tenn. Aug. 1&2 1946. on how a stolen election caused a 6 hour gun battle & use of dynamite at a police station & brought justice in 1946 TN & America!!
Guarantee this happened to a politicians house there'd be a law in the books yesterday.
Or one of the boot-lickers on SCOTUS...
no, they would have the damage repaired because there is a set of laws for us and the rules for them. Their rules are they are the house, and they always win. Sleepy Americans not realizing their house has caught fire and remain sedated by the fumes too unaware they are at death's door. Waiting for the metaphorical fire fighters to bust through the doors and shake us awake. The way things have gotten is just insane.
As long as leos are allowed to mistakenly wreck someone's home and smuggly tell that person they get stick "holding the bag of sh!+", an action one could ABSOLUTELY NOT get away with in the private sector, the disconnect/frustration with them will only get worse.
The fact that cities aren’t just making it right without litigation says a lot.
If "civilians" have to follow reasonable escalation of force for cases of self-defense, and police officers have to use proportional levels of force for criminals (tasers to guns) then police should have to use proportional levels for force for searching dwellers and deviating from that should require compensation. So breaking down a door and shooting holes into the wall because you saw a suspect enter a building is different than searching for a suspect without immediate evidence.
Here’s the thing. I don’t think citizens should have to follow “reasonable escalation of force” because that usually means citizens aren’t allowed to use more force than the criminal is using.
@@orppranator5230 I think its more reasonable force to ensure that you are not going to suffer more damage ie your honour had Istopped I believed that the person injuring me was not going to stop as the first pause in the initial action I taken that stopped the criminal they persisted so at the time I used reasonable force to ensure my safety.
If the suspect was not there, never was there, and had no connection to the property or owner, I do not see how that can be called a "necessity."
How do the courts get things so wrong?! This is pure insanity… it is common sense that if you destroy someone’s property then you are liable. Don’t the police have insurance for this type of thing??
Courts don't get things wrong. They just aren't on the side of the people.
yeah its a wonder the district court judge didnt dismiss the case outright - case law isnt in support of the "people"
They'd spend a million to avoid paying this claim. Our tax dollars literally pay the folks that pay the folks to fight doing the right thing. Whole system is just a money grab 😡
Idiocracy government
BECAUSE,,,the cops are the strong arm of GOVERNMENT.
All aspects of GOVERNMENT want a police force to do anything and everything other GOVERNMENT agencies want them to do.
OMG! Last Summer a SWAT team went in with flashbangs etc at my next door neighbors house early one morning. My little one block street looked like a Hollywood movie. My neighbor was arrested and the street was very happy about that. But a few days later, my gardener came to mow the lawn and he rang my doorbell to ask me what happened to my gate. I went out to check it out and my gate was trashed. The big thick bolts on it were bent 90 degrees. It must have taken a huge amount of force. We concluded it had to have been the SWAT team. Did the police tell me about it? No. Oh man was I upset. But I figured the police weren't going to pay for a new gate, so I just sucked it up and had the gate replaced on my own dime. ($850) But hearing this story about the police destroying the wrong home just made me feel a hell of a lot better as my situation could have been a whole lot worse.
I would file a police report and say it was vandalism. Then make a claim against your HO's policy.
We had a Hollywood situation at our house a couple of summers ago when the cops shot and killed my neighbor, who was having a mental health crisis. You never know what will happen when police have access to you and your property.
kinda how a deer feels better when a lion eats it's baby and it's just glad it escaped. i guess you can just have a new baby after all and boys will be boys or something like that right? it's just funny and ten times more sad and equal parts infuriating that this is the reaction we tend to have.
People don't just lose property, they actually lose their lives over mistaken address No-knock raids.
As citizens of our towns and cities we should tell our city council that if our local government makes a mistake like this that we want to make it right. Use our tax money to get the problem fixed and then work on training and other accountability to lessen the chances of this occurring again. So what if it costs us $1.00 each in taxes to make it right, we'll bear the cost. We want the government we pay for to be honorable. Not paying for these errors is not protecting citizens.
They print their own money so they ignore you completely if they want. That's why you dont give sociopaths an unlimited budget with fiat currency.
I already pay for their salaries and pensions , I’m not paying for their law suits too.
That’s not a solution.
They need to be arrested and prosecuted !
The public paying for their mistakes doesn't create an incentive not to make mistakes. That's the flaw in your plan.
They are obviously in the wrong, but judges have zero spine to hold them accountable. It's a bunch of people violating their oaths.
term limits. judges are human beings and all of us have a best by date and expiration date, many of the judges are well past the best by date and the damage they do in their unfit to serve state just kinda gets ignored. How many joe biden's are we going to have running important government offices that impact so many lives where the convenient excuse will be that it's not anyone's fault these men or women went mental in office, who could have known?? It's a bunch of scam artists running the world and at some point the new people take the wheel realizing the metaphorical car is going to run off the cliff as the driver is drunk and high as the damn rent, tuition and gas prices. it's like after dinner where someone brings up doing the dishes and everyone just kinda stares waiting to see who is going to do it so they don't have to.
WE LIVE IN A POLICE STATE. The cops trash places when they get warrants because anybody that isn't a cop is a bad guy. They served a warrant on a guy I know. He wasn't there when they came, but when he got home there was a Sherrif's card on his wide open front door.
The AC was on high, the TV and stereo were on and cranked and they had trashed the place. He WAS the guy they were looking for, but what the hell?
I agree. My brother in law was a lawyer for a major city in the U.S., didn't stop the cops from no knock warranting by accident his home...lucky for him, they happened to recognize him and it helped stop things early. Cops have civil asset forfeiture, revenue police, violate constitutional rights, have qualified immunity, don't know the law, and on and on. We literally live in the police state. The 3 letter agencies hack people, install back doors, plant evidence, and on and on. Police, courts, everyone is in on it. I can prove all my statements. The most evil to me is the FBI literally hosting child stuff, over 50% of the content on the web in the name of protecting...and more. They also hacked businesses to remove "malware" after they claim the IT network admins didn't update systems leaving them vulnerable. Only thing is, they cleaned up after themselves and didn't tell anyone and it was around 3000 companies they hacked...that means you have no custody or chain of evidence or anything. Also, it is worse than that. They work with Google and others to violate rights, so now, imagine you are running against the government or big tech, there is nothing stopping them from planting things on your device, changing your internet histories, etc and then no knock warranting and ending you or just blasting it to the media and you will never get a chance to clear your name. All this is to say, we are far beyond police state.
It's just cops being the Blue Line Domestic terr-or-ists they are.
Soon they'll start suing you because your house caused wear on their equipment.
“Mistakes were made”
WTF is wrong with America?
People get elected when they pledge to be "tough on crime", and the laws get harsher. No one gets elected by pledging to dial things back a notch, so the laws stay harsher.
It's not a bug. It's a feature
They can do whatever they want because the law doesn't apply to them.
Any time I am tempted to once again love my country, I watch videos on government endorsed outrages like this, civil asset forfeiture, squatters' rights, police qualified immunity, Affirmative Action, Section 8 Housing etc., and I come right back to my senses!
Well said.
Patriotism is loving your country always, and loving your government when it deserves it.
you best start believing in the matrix, because you're in one! i don't think a red pill is going to help things if it keeps up for too much longer.
Unless it's a static IP address it is so unreliable because those addresses can change multiple times daily. Just because you have the IP address one day or an hour ago doesn't mean that someone else in the city miles away could now have it. Sounds like an incompetent police department to me.
Supreme court has already ruled an IP isn't a person.
Static IP is still from the carrier block. Police have to go through the ISP to tie it back to a physical address. So it doesn't matter if it's a static or DHCP address.
More likely DHCP all by itself....
@@joshmonus That's if the ISP isn't screwing things up. It also doesn't take into account you could have multiple people using the same IP (router) AKA your neighbor piggybacking off your network (exactly why you need a secure network and No sharing for an entire duplex).
Even static IPs don't guarantee a location. VPNs are a thing.
This is what happens when corrupt people make laws. Any reasonable person would know that the government should be on the hook for making that innocent person whole again. If you had the power to say "nope, I'm not paying, you" you'd do it too.
"Did the 5th amendment say a taking except for emergency" makes me think of the exceptions that SCOTUS created for the 4th amendment. To me, the Court literally amended the Constitution when they created these exceptions. Maybe I'm wrong. Just my opinion.
Which is?
@@imjashingyou3461 That adding exceptions to the amendment changed the constitution without going thru the amendment process.
That's exactly what happened. Government courts decided government could do exactly what the constitution forbids government from doing.
@@nottelling9472 Yes I am asking you what those exceptions are.
@@imjashingyou3461 sorry I misunderstood. The exceptions vary from consent, plain view searches to incident to arrest, automobile, exigent, special needs ( such as at a border). Some like plain view and consent just seem common sense. Others are taken from law before the Constitution. Maybe I'm just being anal. I think that the exceptions should be written into the 4th. I get that there may just be too many. The fact that the Court can create legal doctrines out of what seems like thin air troubles me.
Law if often based on whether an action is "reasonable". In this case it seems clear that the police took punitive/recreational action that goes way beyond what is reasonable in searching for a fugitive.
I feel really bad for those homeowners. Stuff like this should not happen in America.
Native Americans would like to have a word
You can be certain that if the police were financially responsible for their acts and couldn't hide behind qualified immunity, they'd be a lot more careful.
Going out on a limb here but I would guess not one of the cops responsible for destroying the woman's house lost their job or were disciplined?!
You can't blame the officers on the ground, they are under strict orders. It's like was said in the God Father saga, "I don't care who pulled the trigger, I want to know who gave the order"! The detectives on the case who are in a higher rank and salary level should bear the responsibility.
@@andydelle4509 The Nazis were under strict orders when they killed the Jews.
"Just following orders" was a defense that didn't hold up 8 decades ago. I would argue it still does not.
@@HollywoodHornetUnfortunately, As long as they are operating within the law, they are off the hook. I think the point of this video and comments is to get the law changed.
"Just following orders" will not be accepted.
Imagine being in a job with a gun and you don’t even have the brains to deliver pizza
🤣🤣🤣
In Corpus Christi a SWAT team tried to raid a home. The homeowner took out the team WITH A HANDGUN! The jury acquitted the homeowner of all charges. SWAT raids have been curtailed. Imagine THAT!!
I'm about 40 years old, back when I was about 8 or 9 a swat team busted our front door. They intended to raid the house next door. When my father asked if they would replace the door, they stated they don't do that.
Years ago in Santa María, CA, the police broke down the door looking for the suspect who had a warrant for his arrest. The suspect was already in prison and the police said they would pay for a new door.
This is what we call - a police state. You have the power to change it by voting for the righ people, and holding them accountable. Escape the "Liberal V Conservative" cycle they have you trapped in. Vote independently for the right people, not party.
This happened to a client of mine a few years ago in Toronto. Not only did the police break into the wrong house, they were on the wrong street. The client was given a full apology from a senior officer and all damages were paid fully by the department.
a few years ago Canada was a great place that respected its citizens and held government accountable however times have changed
@@davetomlinson4455 still is a great place to live, I’d rather live here than in the u.s.
I'm surprised the police didn't charge her for criminal neglect of her 15 year old! How did they miss that?! *sarcasm*
I wonder if this can be done to a citizen, in a retaliation tactic, and then they say “oops”.
It’s coming g
nope
It happens the blue gang just investigate themselves and find nothing was done wrong.
they don't even have to say oops and most large entities, companies or government agencies alike don't say anything close to even oops as they don't want to appear to be at fault even when their argument has more holes in it than a bomber in wwII after getting shot with anti air flak and turned into swiss cheese, no they'd rather piss in your glass and tell you it's lemonade despite having filled the glass and zipping up their pants right in front of you. it's a modern wonder that so many people gladly drink it and keep coming back for more rounds. stupid has become the new average it seems. just wow.
I'm a college student that's not going to be able to own my own house anytime in the next ten years and this unlocked new fears
If she trashed that city hall to the extent they trashed her home and I was on her jury, I would vote to acquit. And I work in a city hall!
The fact that the cops/ government immediately try to resist doing the right thing tells you all you need to know about the character of these people.
Something needs to change in the way law enforcement acts in this country now!
The legal system wonders why people think they are corrupt and POS.
they are not a piece, they are the whole thing.
This and civil forfeiture laws have got to go!
There MIGHT be an excuse for non-payment if the fugitive is in the house with the owner's permission. In other cases there is NO excuse.
How is smashing everything looking for a suspect?
The Judge needs to be liable as well
Any of us that did that would spend life in prison. The police get a promotion
You don't get life for destroying property.
Wonder how a legislator would feel if this happened to their house? And what kind of message are they sending their children; you can go into someone's home with a baseball bat, damage everything in their home and there are no consequences for your actions? If so they will either be visiting their children in prison, or visiting a grave site when the homeowner shoots them. Why is holding someone(s) who f'd up who caused damage so hard, do the right thing and STOP MAKING DAMN EXCUSES FOR YOUR BAD BEHAVIOR, AND FIX THE PROBLEM? Make sure you do NOT make the same mistake again, and the taxpayers should NOT be on the hook for the bill either, they did not f'ck this person's home up.
Judge who signed the warrant should have to foot the bill for this. Make that a precedent.
Reminder using Tear Gas is considered a war crime by the Geneva Convention but using it against your own citizens is considered a lawful tool for gaining compliance. This also only refers just to its pain inducing and asphyxiating properties and has no bearing on its incendiary properties like seen at Waco. Indiscriminate use of incendiaries against civilian populations is a separate war crime under the Geneva Convention.
Making them pay would also diminish the punitive vandalism that occurs when police "search" a house. If you ever see the aftermath it is obvious that the primary purpose is often to destroy property not to search.
I’m glad that now I donate to the Institute for Justice . Thank you Steve for making me aware of them .
Ben is standing in front of the OK Sac & Fox Nation tag Steve's RHS
Finally, a good place for all that uncivil asset forfeiture money to go! That can pay for lawsuits instead of the taxpayers.
Or pay for the repairs!
To serve and protect, right?
And then they wonder why they aren’t held in high regard?
It's absolutely insane that police can raid your house for now reason, ruin everything you own, and then not make you whole financially. Absolutely f u c k that
A house can be searched without destroying the house. The cops get their jollies over just destroying.
Remember, you only need 10 to 20 times the money to hire lawyers and hold the government accountable for doing a few hundred thousand in damages. Easy right?
The biggest problem is all of these damned judges who are "Supposed" to be the guardrails between our rights and law enforcement, signing these warrants on the FLIMSIEST of evidence.
This case should go all the way to the US Supreme Court
An emergency situation, in some circumstances, should negate the requirement of a warrant but never accountability.
Every time i hear a story like this it makes me want to become an officer to soley do this and other ridiculous things like civil asset forfieture just to lawmakers and judges so we can throw their own words back at them.
An insurance company is going to have to offer a policy to cover this in order to pay for appeals to reach SCOTUS. The problem for all these people is they lack the resources to continually appeal their cases long enough while their homes are destroyed.
I don't get how destroying her security cameras somehow helped them search the house? They should have to pay for all of it plus alot more.
Incidents like this are why I will continue to not consider rendering assistance to any law enforcement officer for any reason...including to save their life.
Yup
Adding financial liabilities to police will have the side effect of not using SWAT teams in all cases. This is a good thing.
Happens a lot in Canada too. Im glad there was not a dog at the place in the story Steve is talking about, they would have shot it.
The 5th Circut is a disgrace. As a conservative court, you would think they would be interested in protecting citizens against government overreach.
Call the state police or county sheriff and have each officer arrested for grand larceny, vandalism? They need to be personally charged with crimes, not just restitution.
They need to face criminal charges. This is more than financial costs.
How can any government claim it has any confidence in its law enforcement when it refuses to fully compensate innocent people adversely affected by that enforcement?
As long as the law of the land, & the court system continues to allow the Law Enforcement Community to behave & act in a manner, where there is limited to no accountability for their actions, problems & events such as this will continue to occur.
And yes, that was a run-on sentence. ;) Just my two cents on the matter.
Government arrogance has become intolerable and needs to be remedied.