Herpo the Foul Is ALIVE (+His Horcrux Revealed) - Harry Potter Theory
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Welcome to another installment of Harry Potter Theory. In today’s video, we’re going to be discussing horcruxes as well as a figure in Harry Potter folklore that you may not know very well- Herpo the Foul.
Herpo the Foul was an ancient dark wizard that hailed from Greece. We don’t have an exact date as to when Herpo walked the earth, but we do know that it was a long long time ago, as he is commonly referred to as one of the earliest known dark wizards.
It was a time when magic was, not new, but being pushed more than ever in terms of its limits- particularly on the darker side of the spectrum. This is largely in part due to the ongoing wizarding/muggle conflict where witches/wizards were being demonized and hunted by the muggle population.
The Wizard and the Hopping Pot’ - a short story from Beedle the Bard explains the state of wizard/muggle affairs accurately:
"As the witch-hunts grew ever fiercer, wizarding families began to live double lives, using charms of concealment to protect themselves and their families. By the seventeenth century, any witch or wizard who chose to fraternise with Muggles became suspect, even an outcast in his or her own community."
Many witches and wizards were forced to hide- to retreat- taking the moral high ground by not retaliating and potentially making the situation more dire. However, some witches and wizards- wizards like Herpo the Foul- used this era to practice the worst kinds of dark arts imaginable- all in the name of retribution. Where a morally GOOD magical practitioner in this time may have practiced something like a concealment charm (in hopes of better hiding the wizarding population), his evil counterpart would likely spend his efforts trying to produce a spell that could eradicate muggles.
Herpo devoted his life to producing and creating some of the worst kinds of magic imaginable-similar to the story of Ekrizdis (the possible father of dementors) who solitarily dabbled in black magic on the remote island of Azkaban in the sixteenth century. Herpo was possibly the original Parselmouth (meaning he can speak to Snakes) and for this reason I believe that he was possibly the distant ancestor of both Voldemort and Salazar Slytherin.
When one thinks of Horcruxes we most commonly jump to ‘Voldemort’ since he was able to produce 7: Marvolo Gaunt’s Ring, the Diary of Tom Riddle, Helga Hufflepuff’s Cup, Salazar Slytherin’s Locket, Rowena Ravenclaw’s Diadem, Nagini and even Harry Potter (sort of). However, what people often overlook is that HERPO is the original Horcrux creator- and this arguably makes him even more sinister because, as the first practitioner of this type of magic, I can’t even begin to imagine what sorts of dark arts experiments he overlooked in order to achieve his goal. What is also worth mentioning, however, is that Herpo and Voldemort are the ONLY witches and wizards to have ever produced a horcrux at all. This either tells me that they are particularly talented, particularly demented, or a combination of both. JK Rowling has openly stated herself that many witches and wizards had tried to create one-but none succeeded.
"...wizards would have been looking for ways to do exactly what Voldemort did for years. And some of the ways they would have tried would’ve killed them. So, I imagine it- well, they’re huge parallels- splitting the atom would be a very good parallel in our world. . . . I do imagine that other people are going to have tried. I think it would be naive not to think that people have been trying for a long time, and thought they succeeded and hadn’t, or else maimed themselves or killed themselves in the attempt. It’s such a dangerous thing to do."
So why did Voldemort create Horcruxes in the first place? Well- to achieve immortality of course. The sole function of a horcrux is to preserve and extend your life force- and one thing that I find particularly interesting is that it is unknown whether Herpo is actually alive or not in present day. If Herpo made a horcrux- then there’s still a very good chance that he’s alive, right?
By the time Voldemort came around the Horcrux creation process was outlined in a book called ‘Secrets of the Darkest Art’- and this is where I’m going to begin to piece together my argument for WHY Herpo may still be ALIVE.
...Watch the video for the rest!
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Plot twist: Herpo the Foul is Filch. And his Horcrux is Mrs. Norris.
I was thinking this EXACT thing.
He tolerates non purebloods, but stops just short of actually attacking them.
And how does he appear so quickly? If he were using actual shortcuts and secret passages, Harry and the Weasley Twins would have likely found and been able to anticipate exactly where he would come from at any moment.
Filch is a squib but that dose make for an interesting theory.
Oh boy JK could make that cannon.
@@ginantsfan5
The only evidence we have is "hearsay" from other characters.
There is nothing in HP that actually "marks" a Squib other than the fact that they are born to magical parents but seem unable to perform magic themselves.
If you are an immortal dark wizard that wants to stay "up to date" on events in the magical world but you don't want to draw attention to yourself, what better cover than "Squib Janitor at Magical Boarding School"?
I always thought this was a cool theory, he can hide pretending to be a squib and it explains why he was so close to Mrs Norris.
The best horcrux you could probably ever make, a random rock in the woods
I feel like I saw somewhere that the object to be used as a horcrux needs to be something of significance to the person creating it. Could be wrong though.
@@clintbond7506 solution: pick up a rock as a kid that you intend to make into a horcrux, keep it as your pet rock, always carry it with you, once you reach the level of mastery which is required from making a horcrux, turn it into a horcrux and then toss the thing into the river. it has significance to you now because you spent your whole life keeping it, through everything you've been through, and it will now be the one thing protecting you from truly dying.
@@clintbond7506 it could be that if that’s true then the person could have had a rock collection and they loved it and they took there favorite rock made it into a horcrux and hide it in the woods
Just have two lovers make the other the horcrux, unless they were both killed at once, they'd live forever
I don’t think the items need to be significant, only strong/big enough to hold your soul. Something like a grain of sand won’t be sufficient.
Remember that Voldemort spent some years wandering in Albania and beyond? Perhaps he even found and spoke with Herpo the Foul.
@@denizkenger52 What does that have to do with anything? Herpo the Foul was not a tree. He could have travelled anywhere. And assuming he was near his ancient homeland of Greece, then Albania was right next door.
@@denizkenger52 People in the Wizarding World seem to have very good methods of finding each other though. Ron found Harry and Hermione with a deluminator, and Harry can find Voldemort with a scar on his forehead. Perhaps Herpo sensed the presence of a descendant of his and travelled there, maybe using apparition or other, possibly more dark ways of travel. Maybe he was the one who spread rumours of his existence to attract people with knowledge Voldemort might need to rise to power again. Also I doubt Herpo lived under a rock and even in Greece I’m willing to bet they’ve heard of Voldemort. Also maybe Voldemort was just Herpo’s puppet and the final plan will be unveiled
When JKRowling wrote Albania in the books she didn’t meant the country Albania near to Greece!
Remember that Rowena Ravenclaw was from Scotland?
In Scotland they have their own language except from English!
In Scottish language the region Scotland is called Alba
JKRowling wrote Albain not Albania!!!
Helena hide the diadem in a forest in her homeland, Alba/Scotland 🏴
@@Kolious_Thrace Ah yes. The almost mythical hatred between Greeks and Albanians. I had almost forgotten.
@@archades115 this has nothing to do with this hatred!
Greeks we don’t give a damn about Albanians...
Albanians are close friends to the Turks and suppressing the Greeks live in Albania!
So, they have problems with us! Not us with them...
Herpo invented Horcrux, breeded a basilisk and spoke Parseltongue. He has to be the ancestor of Salazar Slytherin and Voldemort
Random thought but what if Herpo was Salazar. Both wizards were never known to die.
Bruh salazar slytherin is a ancestor of herpo the foul
@@melissaleigh8019 I dont think so, Hogwart was founded in around 990AD, and if Herpo was from ancient greece, he was born for sure B.C. So he was older than Salazar by at least over 1000 years.
Well, back then you didn’t need to be a slytherin descendent to speak to snakes. But as time went on, the families that passed the talent down (Like the Gaunts) started to go extinct in the male line. By the time Harry goes to hogwarts, yes you almost HAVE to be Salazar’s descendant to speak to snakes, Ernie even says that Salazar slytherin could speak to snakes, he jumped to Salazar because he was the most known person to talk snake language. Of course, it is possible that he is a descendant, but you said that he could be related because he bred a basilisk, this makes sense but let me remind you, you should have said “He was the first to breed and control a basilisk” because many dark wizards have tried to breed the serpent and died because they didn’t speak parseltounge and couldn’t control the beast, which then killed them. I totally agree with you on this, and even better, Herpo’s real surname was never released to the public, I doubt anyone alive during the first wizarding war did. He could be “Herpo Slytherin”! 🐍
@@szymongawe2640 But if, as is discussed in the video, Herpo lived for centuries he could have visited Britain much later in life and fathered a child that would lead to Slytherin eventually being born. He might have had hundreds of children over the course of a couple of thousand years.
The "Herpo's Horcrux" part is passable. However, I don't think Herpo and Voldemort are the only wizards who created Horcruxes. Way too much information known about these items in my opinion, even for knowledgeable people like Dumbledore.
I think there's a chance the Philosophers Stone was made in a similar Fashion and that the Info related to the creation of a Horcrux came from Niclos and Dumbledore and there study's into the Creation of the stone.
@@hypnoticwar740 Flamel created the stone alone, he died at 666 years old while Dumbledore is died at 115. Flamel created the stone some 500 years before Dumbledore was even born. the two of them wouldn't need "study the creation of the stone" since flamel already did, and dumbledore would've just asked him
@@JonasHyldgaard i think there is a chance someone before them made another stone similar to the one they made. I have been thinking about it allot recently i think another Wizard more ancient Created what we call today the Resurrection stone and that the Resurrection stone was created using a similar Method one would use to create the philosopher's stone. I think that the two stones are sort of Siblings in a way or related in the fact that both were created the same way by different wizards and that the resurrection stone was handed to Dumbledore by Nicolas who studied it in the past. I think Nicolas held onto both the Philosophers Stone and stone of resurrection at a point in time and had both of them before passing the Resurrection stone on to Dumbledore for Safe keeping during the first Great Wizard War. As for Dumbledore and the creation of the stone i believe i did get this wrong but swear i do remember mention on how he studied it or worked with Nicolas in the past but could be wrong on that. One thing i think I'm onto though is Nicolas was the one that had the resurrection stone before Dumbledore and that the philosopher's stone creation method was inspired by something Nicolas found about the creation of the resurrection stone during his study's.
@@hypnoticwar740 there’s no connection between the resurrection stone, which was not created by any living wizard (death plucked a regular stone from the river and bestowed upon it the power to bring back a facsimile of a dead person), and the philosopher’s stone, which is a real-world legend that alchemists attempted to create for centuries. Their effects aren’t even remotely similar. The deathly hallows pre-date the creation of the philosopher’s stone by over a century.
@@AndersWatches the resurrection stone probably wasnt made by death, it was probably made by the three brothers or some other super powerful wizards & the story was just a biproduct of such powerful objects.. dumbledore himself said as much.
The first Horcrux is obviously the One Ring of Sauron. And he made it almost impossible to destroy by making it irresistible to own.
Forgetting the fact that Despite their many similarities these are two different universes I think I remember hearing from another video basically saying that the actual first Hocrux creator was Morgoth. But I realize I could be mistaken so I should reread his full backstory.
Me like
@@jonathanthomas4182 Morgoth made the world his hocrux
When your Horcrux is more powerful than you are
Considering that Voldemort's first Horcrux was his journal--a book, and that he was following as close as possible Herpo's instructions, then I think the most likely object is a book. Maybe even the "the darkest arts" book that Voldemort read in the restricted section. Being a restricted book in the Hogwarts library would provide a certain amount of safety for the Horcrux, and it would explain how Voldemort received the additional instruction. Herpo's personality embedded in the book would have sensed Voldemort's interest, power and purpose, and might have shown itself to him providing that little bit of additional information he needed. Dark knowledge from the darkest magic indeed.
His first wasn’t the book, it was the Ring
Exactly what i thought!
His first Horcrux was the ring via murdering his father. The second was the book, which he created after opening the chamber of secrets.
anyway, he author of the darkest arts was Owle Bullock
@@ivanm0129 nope. Just Google it. The diary was his first Horcrux.
I think Herpo’s Horcrux might be his own bloodline. A multilayered blood curse he placed on himself and those descended from himself so that they would carry a piece of his soul. This piece of soul would be the source of the parseltongue ability that his descendants would have, and would even potentially grant the holders of his soul greater power. So long as his bloodline exists then he has an anchor.
The problem with this, and parceltounge in general, is that by the logic of genealogy by know most people would be related to Salazar or Herpo.
@@timmerk7363 the blood purist philosophy caused many bloodlines to wither and die, like with Salazar’s line limiting down to the gaunts and then Tom Riddle. Depending on Herpo’s mindset and his descendants, there may not actually be that many descendants, maybe even none after Voldemort died since paraelmouth was so rare
You would have thought that Borgin, Snape, Dumbledore or someone at the Ministry would have realized what it was. Borgin did deal with dark items. The Trio discussed this when trying to think of places that Voldemort could have his one of his, and they figured Borgin would have realized in an instant what it was. After Katie's attack, Snape, Dumbledore and the Ministry would really inspect the thing. The closest we got was Snape saying that she was very lucky to be alive. But you would think that Dumbledore would have told Harry that the necklace used to be one when he told Harry about Voldemort's. That's not to say that it may have been his Horcruxe at one time, we know remorse can put your Soul back together, we don't know if putting your soul back together would damage the item like what happened when you destroy one. If Herpo's body was killed and he was a non-coperal being for hundreds of years maybe he did feel enough remorse to put his soul back together. Or If your theory is right it is possible that Herpo's Horcruxe still exists but he is a non-coperal being and has been like that for a very long time.
also, Voldemort knew which spells to use to recreate a physical body. So surely Herpo knew this too? Did he experienced in any way with that? Or was it Voldemort who came with that spell and did Herpo not know how to come back?
@@denizkenger52 Yeah, true, i mean we only know the potion with the his snake venom and the bone of his father, flesh of the servant and then of course, Harry's blood!
Anyway, i would like to know more about that, i think it's all so interesting... 🤷🏻♂️Certainly as an adult, i understand it would've been too dark for kids though.
@@denizkenger52 Completely agree! I mean i would rather know how a horcrux is made by word of JKR herself (even though she already said it is disgusting), people theorizing that you need to eat or kill baby's, is as disgusting as can be. So i rather have another theory from JKR.
@@denizkenger52 This is indeed a dark but possible theory! Nice to have a comfortable conversation with someone on this topic. Most people react to it as if one would try it in real life. Though it's all fiction and in the real world there aren't wizard or witches of course. But hey, some people man...
@@denizkenger52 Very same here! Also, it might just be that, what she finds disgusting might not be as disgusting as we think. Maybe more disturbing? Though eating a child (or part of it) is as disgusting as it is disturbing of course!
I think the Opal necklace is too recognizable to be Herpo's horcrux. If it really were his Horcrux, I don't think he would let Borgin and Burke (sorry if I misspelled it) expose it as merchandize. If a common student like Draco can acquire it, then it's likely not a Horcrux. I think Herpo created something much harder to identify, something that people wouldn't suspect, and he probably hid it well, making sure that no-one finds it. The Opal necklace is just a cursed object used mainly to kill muggles. That's something that Herpo could have created, but it's not his Horcrux imo.
I would have to agree with you. Often I have thought of what it could possibly be, and came up with the same answer in my mind: something completely unassuming, hidden in plain sight. A necklace is not that unassuming. Too many people (muggles and wizard-kind alike) would want to "touch" it and then they would end up dead. It would have to be something that is so ordinary and plain that no one would give it a second thought. Herpo strikes me as devious; not pretentious as Tom Riddle was. Nor do I think it would be a book. Devious people who were hiding themselves would go to great lengths to make sure that it was never found, let alone be damaged.
@@jamesmurphy3810 hmmm wouldn't it make abit of sense if it something hidden in plain sight it would be another legendary item something that is lost and hidden but known about like the Invisibility Cloke.
@@jamesmurphy3810 I think he would have doubled down on the hiding. Step 1: make it something totally innocuous like a rock. Step 2: stash it somewhere vastly difficult to get to like at the top of Mt Everest.
@@traviswrigg5158 or just make Mt Everest the actual horcrux 💁♂️
True, but I get the feeling there's a lot of things that make their way to wizarding shops that have natures which elude even the sellers. If Herpo lost track of it, it's plausible it's been bought by collectors or people seeking to use it for murder for hundreds of years.
everytime I watch your video I learn something new about the wizarding world
That is the idea lol
Init
I've learnt everything about the wizarding world from binge watching his videos. The movies didn't teach me enough
Yep
@@bonolomofokeng4469 they didn't teach you the word "learned" apparently. Lol
I wonder what would happen if someone who created a horcrux gets kissed by a dementor... 🤔
I think the dementor would only suck out the piece of soul that is in the body
A Dementor should in theory be attracted to Horcruxes, and possibly be able to destroy them.
The Dementor calls for the manager to complain about an incomplete meal
Good question
@@AmyFlannigan27yeah Karentor is like ''The soul-meal was incomplete. I want a refund or i will sue''
My question is how the world knew how Basilisk Venom and Fiendfire destroyed a horcrux.
Maybe just the general destructive properties of each led to the assumption.
It is in the HP books
I agree with Stephen
What better way to cover your tracks then by giving out ways to destroy the thing you create. I feel like Herpo is alive but smart enough not to draw attention to himself unlike other dar kwizards
I have two theories about this.
1.) More than Voldemort and Herpo the foul have created horcruxes. The Ministery of Magic and the previous magical governing bodies have kept it under wraps. Most people in the magical world don't even know horcruxes are a thing. If it were common knowledge then everyone would have known Voldemort must have made a horcrux or horcruxes the moment he returned. Lucius Malfoy didn't know what the diary was other than it was the key to opening the chamber of secrets. I think the ministry quietly captured other dark wizards who had made horcruxes and took the horcruxes and sent them to the department of Mysteries where they were experimented on to figure out how to destroy them.
2.) A division of the Department of Mysteries actually killed people (probably Azkaban prisoners who've had ther souls sucked out.) and created horcruxes for the sole purpose of figuring out how to put the soul back together. While experimenting on captured horcruxes to learn how to destroy them. This would explain why that information is in the book "Secrets of the darkest art". I highly doubt Herpo the Foul would have experimented on his horcrux to see what would destroy it nor do I think he would go through the process of making a horcrux only to put his soul back together again. I can see the Ministery of Magic figuring out everything there is to know about Horcruxes then using magic to edit the book "secrets of the darkest art". Magic that when you edit one copy of the book you edit all copies. The magic probably isn't strong enough to just wipe the spell out of the books but strong enough to add in the knowledge of how destroy a horcrux, how to put your soul back together, information on recognizing horcruxes and warnings that make it seem far more difficult and dangerous to create horcruxes. Warnings to deter those who are thinking about making a horcrux, information on destroying and recognizing horcruxes so if someone came across one they would recognize it and know how to destroy it and information on how to put your soul back together if are stupid and try it and immediately regret doing it. The cat was out of bag when the book "secrets of the darkest art" was made. Given the age of the book it's doubtful the Ministery of Magic would know exactly how many copies of the book exist. It's not exactly a book a witch or wizard would have on their bookshelf. It would be kept hidden away from prying eyes. This would be the best course of action to lessen the damage a spell like that could do.
I saw your Herpo the Foul video regarding Horcruxes recently so I’m really excited to watch this.
I wish JK Rowling or someone would write a book about these historic wizards or the wizarding community in other countries
She did. It's titled "ancient gay wizzards"
@@Xxsnipedawg72xX Lol
I could probably pull it off. I got an idea for a witch in the warring states era of Japan who dual weilds wands, has two patronus animals, etc. I want it to lead to her creating new spells meant for war and going down the path of dark magic and aquiring power, but is based on the desire to do good and protect her home. Even if I did write it, it would never be canon and I'd probably get sued for selling it unless JK Rowling herself approved it as canonical before publishing.
Sounds like a Silmarillion of HP! Nice.
@@thethinkingtreefrog8061 Aren't the patronuses reflections of the soul, not the wand?
Plot twist: he's actually Nicholas Flamel
Edit: it's a joke people. Lighten up
That would be too good!!
cant be, Herpo lived faar before Flamel.
He lived before Slytherin, he probably lived in some sort of BC.
@@skullcollecter2979 plot twists never make sense there jokes
Take my wisdom or leave it
"the sorcerer's stone"
@@TSGcombat appreciate the support chief. I was expecting an angry mob at my door!
I think if the opal necklace is a horcrux, it makes sense that it kills whoever touches it. Look at the Gaunt's ring. Had it not been for Snape, Dumbledore would have been killed right off.
All of the horcruxes we’ve seen (excluding the brief possession of the cup and diadem) have tried to kill the possessor.
But not only horcruxes try to kill people. There was a particular curse on the ring. The cup, diadem, diary, locket, etc didn't immediately mortally injure everyone who merely used them.
As Dumbledore said "it makes sense that something like this would be protected by a powerful curse". That's the key. A curse, an ordinary everyday curse, was on the ring and that's what doomed Dumbledore.
@@neuralwarp Exactly, the genuine Slytherin's Locket Horcrux didn't really do much of anything. It was completely impervious until it was opened, which is when the soul fragment fought back to preserve itself. The only consequence of being in possession of the locket was it caused the person to be highly irritable and perhaps more aggressive.
I was always fascinated by what if someone made a time turner his horcrux what would happen could his soul control the time turner and see everything that happened in the past.
I don't think so. Voldemort turned the diadem of Rowena Ravenclaw a Horcrux. It's supposed to contain the wisdom of Rowena, but it didn't make Voldemort any wiser (or a better strategist, for a more visible character trait).
If someone made a time turner their Horcrux they would quickly be written out of the story and we would all forget about them for the rest of the plot OwO
Mixing two very significant branch of forbidden magic? That could be real bad. Like warping time or the entire history. Or creating multiple instances of the the horcrux maker.
@@adamrak7560 The only flaw to this idea is that there is no evidence that says "thing that becomes horocrux grants the owner of said horocrux extra power" As stated Voldemort didn't acquire Rowena's Knowledge, or Nagini's poison.
Voldemort made the resurrection stone a Horcrux, but he certainly didn't have the power to bring people back from the dead.
I think also the fact that basilisk venon is the first discovered weapon to work against a horcrux, then it was the sword. Both horcruxes and basilisk created by same guy. Great theory!👌
The sword only works because it absorbed basilisk venom.
But it will forever be able to destroy them, so I guess it counts.@@brandonreed09
You know Something I’ve been thinking about lately ... I’m almost willing to bet money that the new Harry Potter show will be inspired by one of these videos! I hope they would reach out to somehow credit you for these “theories” , this video alone could most DEFINITELY be made into a movie.
Haha that would be pretty cool, thanks for the kind words!
@@denizkenger52 you weren’t the first person to head canon the theory
Could Herpo the Foul have used his basilisk as his horcrux? Although we don't see it done, we know it is possible to have a living horcrux because of Harry, and I don't think we can doubt Herpo's power. Maybe he didn't write about it in his book so that no-one could guess. If Slytherin's basilisk is descended from Herpo's, this could also help explain why the heirs of Slytherin have such extraordinary control over the basilisk (and only they can control them).
it could also be the very same basilisk. the books say that its a monster that only slytherins heir can control.
@@Pinkstars1605 True
@@Pinkstars1605
Harry: *Kills the Basilisk in his second year*
Herpo: Oh you got to be sh- *ded*
Nagini is a horcrux
But you can destroy a horcrux with the poison of a basilisk, which means the basilisk should better not bite his tongue accidentally ;)
I think Voldemort first heard about horcruxes from the basilisk, we don't really think about it but Voldemort must have learned a lot from the snake. it's technically his genesis, it's his legacy from Salazar the key to make and destroy horcruxes, it was left in the chamber to kill muggles there's a reason his death eater mark is a snake coming out of a head, it's the chamber of secrets. A 1000 year old beast he can speak to and command that had first-hand contact with Salazar, I think Salazar left it in the chamber not just as a weapon for his heir but also as a means to make horcruxes or maybe the snake had info on Herpo and that's why Voldemort went to Albania.
Herpo still alive in Albania seems plausible.
“Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself.” Smart quote from a twelve-year-old Hermione.
Originally, it's Dumbledore who says it in the books.
Still, Hermione has some pretty cool, smart quotes.
Dumbledore said that
it's actually the reverse of the thought to name something takes away the fear of that thing. most people fear the unknown
@@RichardTheValiantFoolFox that is what they said
And yet there are still WW fans that won't say Voldemort, which is really weird to me.
Also, if one is not afraid, to refuse to let something be named can be a way to keep it from getting power.
Tom Riddle: I am Lord Voldemort!
Slytherin House: Shut up, Tom.
I always wondered what Voldemort’s long term plans were if he was truly interested in being immortal, like - what would he do when the sun explodes in a billion years from now and destroys earth? Would Voldemort and his horcruxes be floating around in empty space for all eternity?
I doubt that wizards even know about that
I doubt that horcruxes would hold up anyway, I know that the fiendfire or whatever the magic Fire is magical, but the sun is so hot I doubt the horcruxes would be able to do anything for him
He would have a billion years to grow in power, by then he could probably reverse cosmic entropy at will ... at least, that's what he must have thought.
If we’re going to go down the rabbit hole of what Rowling’s lore is, there’d probably be some magic that could solve that issue. I always assumed Voldemort would eventually come full circle and destroy his horcruxes so that he could eventually die - closing the Deathly Hallows cycle.
@@JimmyMFP but that wouldn’t actually kill him off in a proper sense, he’d just be stuck in limbo forever. I doubt that he’d induce that willingly. My guess would be that Voldemort was delusional and thought he could truly live forever
The interesting thing with Herpo is the span of history he covers as he is said to have been born in the period of “Ancient Greece”. Unfortunately that narrows it down to anywhere between 12th century BC to about 600ad. In the Wiki lore he is said to have lived for at least 900 years so the latest by that would have been about 15th century putting him in Beedle and Flamel’s era. I like to think Herpo was likely to have been born more around the change of time and his reign coincided with the Medieval or Dark Times.
Interesting theory.
I like the paralel how both dark and light magic can provide immortality in some way (horcrux x philosohper's stone).
Though there is one thing that does not fit. Herpo is said to be from ancient greece. However, concerning the necklace's design, it clearly comes from much more modern times. So it is unlikely his creation.
I still think it may be a horcrux regardless. Herpo and Voldemort are the only horcrux creators we know of. But, as you yourself pointed out, some other wizard may have succeeded in secret, keeping low profile. Owle Bullock, perhaps. Nobody really knows much about him, right?
If Herpo was still alive and he was the only other wizard beside Voldemort who have created a horcrux, no one would know how to destroy horcruxes.
Which is why Harry accidentally found out that Basilisk venom destroyed them. He didn't know it would work, but he tried it.
@@voldemort008 yes but it was already known by wizard scholars, it was already written in "magic most evil" so someone already destroyed a horcrux with basilic venom.
I'm pretty sure Herpo would be able to guess using his great knowledge of dark magic what would destroy it. Since he experimented to create both the Horcrux and the Basilisk, he'd probably know their properties. As for Fiendfyre, well, it is possible he created it as it is one of the darkest spells and he is credited as a spell inventor.
@@vignotum132 But would he write how to destroy horcruxes? It would be a stupid move for someone who has created a horcrux. It is more likely that someone else studied on horcruxes.
@@mikebrown1881 I mean if you’re trying to educate future dark wizards, it makes sense to educate on both the weaknesses of your teachings and the strengths
Man, your understanding and theorys on this world. you would make a great wizard IRL lol that opal necklace bit just blew my miiiiind
The Book “Secrets of the darkest art” would be a good guess, seeing how Voldemorts first Horcrux was Tom Riddles Diary.
what if "suicide with a conection to the object" is the hidden part of the ritual to create one? for me would make sense...
@@orfeus9267 Unlikely. Since death was the thing Riddle feared the most, I do not Think he would commit suicide, even in the likelihood of granting him immortality
@@19marmot95 that is the difficulty and the attrocity, but facing the death, but not dying if the process was succesful.... but yeah, would be contradictory with Voldemort's fear, but he is condradictory 🤷♂️✌🏾
@@19marmot95 and I'm thinking about, if has a ritual, that not necessary involves the body of the victim, and could "happened" when the Lilian's sacrefice/enchantment "killed him" or "almost killed him" because of the avada kedrava repelled... that "almost kill" after the death of Lilian, and Connecting to Harry, to him, that did that so much times, and probably was in Voldemort's mind use the death of Lilian/James/Harry after that night to some object... and intention was part of it, and him could not know that tried to kill harry would be like a suicide, but it was... just thinking, and chatting, sorry for bothering... ☮🍀
@@orfeus9267 I don't think it was Lilly's protection that did anything. I think it is more likely voldy had prepared himself beforehand or the soul was so splintered it happened accidentally. I could imagine the object has to have magic in it and since Harry was the only magical 'object' nearby the horcrux latched to Harry, especially the scar, since that was the place where voldemorts magic touched Harry.
If so few have made a horcrux, it begs the question of how does anyone know what destroys them, if they have not been destroyed?
nobodies know. harry discovered it by piercing the book with the only weapon he could find, the basilisk fang. the sword absorbed basilisk poison. but since one horcrux was destroyed by Fiendfyre(out of control constantly increasing its power/destruction) and the horcrux in Harry with the killing curse(filled with all the power Voldemort could gather), that must mean that a spell more powerful than the one used to create the object can destroy it.
To sum up Steven here. They destroyed Horocrux by pure luck and realized hey that works do it again.
Regardless of steven, you can also throw stuff onto it until something sticks.
It might just be a matter of, powerful magic tends to make items its put on hard to destroy as a side effect, and there is just a list of things thwt seems to work regardless. And a horcrux while powerful still follows the scwle of other items and is vulnerable to the same stuff ws other high tier enchanted items.
In the books, it says you have to destroy them beyond magical repair.
I think Herpal’s Horcrux hasn’t been seen yet and never will, I imagine he’s managed to hide it so well over the centuries that no one will ever find and destroy it, not even if Dumbledore, Grindelwald and Voldemort join forces would they find it.
We don't know if Herpo the Foul is still alive. But, if there's any wizard who could've possibly found and destroyed his Horcrux it may have been Merlin. Would make for a good book though.
Something with such an evil soul inside it wont remain hidden for eternity thats just the thing. It would want to kill or bring havoc. Ofcourse hiding it but the moment anyone ever reaches it its impossible to contain. Especially considering nobody knew what it was or is. I think the necklace makes sense and is a smart idea but ofcourse rowling 4d chess move is abit much to assume.
I partially agree with this. I think it is very possible that Herpo could be alive. I do not believe however that the opal is the horcrux. If, like you said, Herpo lays low, I don't think he would let his precious horcrux ( presumably his only one) run around so easily. It would be interesting if there was an Easter egg of him somewhere in the books
Time for my super outlandish theory! Herpo created 3 horcruxes, a wand that would add his own experience and power to its capabilities, a stone that would read the thoughts of the users mind and manifest itself into a ghostly version of that image, and a cloak that became near indestructible, as most horcruxes are, allowing it to never fade as most cloaks of invisibility do. He grew bored one day and happened upon 3 brothers and gifted them these three items, knowing that items of such power would be valued, treasured, and guarded jealously by their owners in the future, ensuring their survival. He watched as two of the three brothers met a grizzly end, and having had his fun, he went back to his disguise of an elderly Ollivander, continuing to run the wand shop he had been running himself since 382B.C.
That's amazing
Why would he let voldy capture him though, considering he's such an ancient and powerful being
If that was the case, Harry wouldn't be able to just snap the elder wand in half. But otherwise it would be cool.
@@hondragaming593 Yeah, but to be fair, that was only the case in the films
how would Grindelwald be able to cast Protego Diabolica then which clearly judges the soul?
What if he used the imperius curse on the dude who wrote “Secrets of the darkest art” and forced him to write it, then he took the original copy of the book and made it a horcrux by killing the guy under the influence of imperio!
I've been asking about Herpo for the longest time! I definitely believe he's still alive! And the opal necklace is a great theory.
Hey Harry Potter theory I was wondering if you would be able to do a vid on the history of Olivander’s wand shop. I think that would be really cool and might answer a lot of questions of mine.
If you make your wand a horcrux you really put your soul into magic
It is really likely that he would still be alive, voldy’s only reason for downfall was his desire to rule the world. If he didn’t want that, he would’ve been immortal. If you don’t try to rule over people, they will not seek to destroy you
Hey! Can you make a video on “life has a death eater” that would make my day!
There could be another reason Grindelwald always kept the blood pact on him. It fits because it was a sentimental object and also he never died until hit with the Avada Kedavera curse
I don't think that it will be the opal necklace. Dumbledore said that Voldemort didn't hide his horcrux at Borgin and Burkes, because they would have known what it is straight forward, being so familiar with the dark objects. So if the necklace was indeed an horcrux they would have known it.
Maybe he used Voldemore as an experiment if multiple horcruxs are possible
I have always wondered even if a wizard creates a hocrux to extend their life force their physical body still continues to age as Voldermont’s did which means they do not die a physical death but instead petrify. For a dark wizard to overcome petrification, maybe every couple of decades he/she will attempt to steal the life force of another preferable a fellow wizard to replenish their vitality similar to Tom Riddle & Ginny’s situation in the chamber of secrets. The other possibility is performing some sort of resurgence spell similar to the rebirth of Voldermont at Little Hangelton graveyard to obtain a newborn body.
This channel is so much better than Harry Potter Folklore. That guy takes 3 minutes to get in to the actual topic of the video and spends his time talking about SurfShark and his Instagram.
I’ve always wondered where tf he went off too
Same
There's a remarkably well preserved ancient Greek vase in a museum somewhere, that gets an occasional visit from an odd I'll tempered man. At least that's my head cannon.
This would be so cool to base a story around
I want to point something out. That book mentions that remorse will undo the splitting of the soul, if Herpo was the only known wizard to have achieved a Horcrux, couldn't we assume that something happened and he somehow felt genuine remorse?
Also either someone else must have made one or Herpo made at least 2 otherwise they couldn’t have known how to destroy it.
You might give your theory on HOW a horcrux restores the maker. We see a couple of ways Voldemort does it, but in each case it appears to require the assistance of someone else. What if, for instance, the inanimate horcrux remains isolated in the room of requirement forever?
Kind of makes me wonder why Slughorn knows so much about them. He doesn’t seem the kind of person to look that deep in the darkest of magic. Plus It doesn’t seem like even most above average wizards know about them. I wonder how Voldemort knew how Slughorn know of them. 🧐
Slughorn was a first grade academic, so he knew many things normal wizards would not know. And his areas of research would be publicly known, maybe not in detail, but close enaugh that Tom knew he was worth a shot.
“Just because a wizard doesn’t use dark magic doesn’t mean they can’t” Professor Bins
i want him to be the main villain of hogwarts legacy lol. or ekrizdis or salazar slytherin or any famous dark wizard that we know that has existed from the lore that may have survived in one way or another till the 1800s where this game takes place.
Hey there is another canon , leads to
Harry Potter and the Opal Necklace
(A Hunt of Horcrux).😂
I'm using Herpo as a villain in my fanfic, so I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks he's alive!
EDIT: So in my story, Herpo is the guy who convinced Wizards that Muggles were out to kill them, and convinced Muggles that Wizards were evil. Dividing the world like this let him play both sides to his own advantage for gain- Not hard power like Voldemort, but soft power and luxuries. He loves his Muggle cheeses and Muggle wines as much as he loves collecting Dark magical artifacts. A discerning man of wealth and taste, one who already could rule the world if he wanted to but has no interest in it. Hard power like what Voldemort wanted is a tiresome thing. There's too much paperwork, too much to oversee, too many people trying to kill you. Herpo is way, way too smart for that.
that sounds like a really good fanfic! have you ever considered a career as a writer?
Link ?
@@sankarsarath2194 At the moment I'm still writing a rough draft. n.n; I'm having a lot of fun with outlining and timelining but actually writing dialogue is proving to be a challenge!
@@josephcrews6423 I'm still practicing and learning. Maybe one day!
@@ovni2295 You'll get the hang of it. By having trouble with dialouge, do you mean like the charachters talking or just putting down words?
This was great. Love me some Herpo, Secrets of the darkest art and Horcrux chat.
I believe Herpo the Foul's horcrux may be Secrets of the Darkest Arts. That might also explain why Voldemort used a book for his first horcrux
That makes sense but i always thought to myself. Why even keep a book wich contains such evil spells. Wouldnt it be rather easy to just burn it. And not keep it in a school full of 14 year olds. lmao.
Herpo made the first ever horcrux, AND created the first basilisk. So a book containing information about the creation and destruction of horcruxes (with basilisk venom) couldn't have existed.
Crazier theory, Nicholas Flamel is actually Herpo the Foul. The Philosopher's Stone was his Horcrux. He needed a part of his soul to create such a strong object, and it's how he became "immortal". But after living so long, he learned to turn away from the dark arts, especially after meeting Dumbledore. He confided in Dumbledore who he was and what he'd done, which is why Dumbledore was "particularly fierce on the subject". He saw how regretful his friend was for creating something so horrible and was trying to honor him by not allowing others to follow in his path. Maybe I'm crazy though
It could be true but Nicholas flamel was 666 years old at the time of his death, and it would be quite difficult transfiguring yourself into a baby or smth
What if Herpo, a parseltongue gifted in Dark Magic is alive and was once known as Salazar Slytherin for a time in his existence? He went on later in life to found a Dark Magic shop under the name of Caractacus Burke. His love of Dark Magic never died through the ages, and while he now assumes a lower profile, I think he could be a future story.
If we’re going that route then I think it could be the basilisk.
It’s unlikely that was the case due to how different the two were in personality when it came to muggles and power/knowledge. Herpo wasn’t bias against muggles, he’d use whatever as a means to an end for dark arts knowledge. But he didn’t want to conquer and rule. Just progression of forbidden knowledge at any cost.
Salazar however couldn’t stand muggles from jump. Now if your theory was correct that could just be summed up as change of heart. However Salazar was best friends with Godrick who was about as Griffindor as they come. Good and loyal.
Why would Someone like Godrick even remotely be friends with someone who would give off a dark presence Herbo would exude? Plus why would someone like Herpo even want to start a school? That benefits others knowledge not his.
That type of change of heart would be less likely coming from someone of that type of character with that specific end goal.
@@andrewgraham7950 but when the basilisk accidentally bites his tongue he would be dead ;)
I've always thought the best way to make a Horcux work to it's intended purpose would be to just make it a really heavy item, then fly out to the middle of the Ocean and drop it in. It'll never be found, seen, or touched.
Unless you have people who know about your immortality, if you get hit with the killing curse, or die by some accident like a tree falling over youre screwed for eternity
@Koko was here _ no you just turn into a creepy thing that cant function properly like Voldemort did books 1-4. And if nobody knew about this random ritual youre literally fucked.
What if Herpo is actually Slughorn? Herpo is kinda similar to Horace, not to mention that ol’ Sluggy had a lot of knowledge about Horcruxes for a potioneer
Horace would’ve looked quite disfigured if he made a horcrux and was several centuries old
Y'know, he could be immortal, if he used a nokia for his horcrux
😂 fact
I think Herpo is long gone, but I do agree that he created at least one Horcrux. I think his has been destroyed by the time of the HP story. Honestly, I feel like someone destroyed his not too long after he made it. Dumbledore just so happened to know how to destroy a Horcrux when no one else had done it before? I mean, I know he's Dumbledore but it seems like something he would have discovered by finding out how Herpo's Horcrux was destroyed.
In that time Avada Kedavra might not have invented as he said it was early time😁
4:25 - Nice pun. "The soul function of a horcrux" :D
I have a question, if you make a horcrux and it gets petrified, does your horcrux get destroyed?
I havent watched much of your videos but im already obsessed
The wizarding world discussing the horcrux: This is magic most foul! Living forever and not wanting to die is unnatural!
Nicolas Flamel: Yeah, totally unnatural… o.o O.O .>
I always found it interesting how the Philosopher’s Stone could grant you a form of immortality and wasn’t looked down upon (theoretically) yet horcruxes were. I know the Elixir had to be drunk for eternity if the person wanted to live forever and it would result in a very ghastly appearance, but both it and a horcrux lead to an unnaturally long life. This life could possibly be very empty after a time, and I think that’s why the greatest power in the books was to become Master of Death, meaning you finally accept that mortality gives life purpose and meaning.
That’d be a cool villain for a future Wizarding World story. Herpo working in the shadows like a Moriarty figure.
Somebody really needs to make a movie 🎥or a fan made film about Herpo The Faul and all the other ancient dark wizards, that would be so interesting to see👀! Even a series about each master of the elder wand would be so cool to see. Hopefully one day we'll have the honour...
Secrets Of The Darkest Art is quite literally the magical equivalent of the Dark Web.
THEORY IDEA: Dumbledore and Grindelwald swore never to fight each other and this blood pact prevented them fighting as we see in Fantastic Beasts. However they have already fought before this in the fight that caused Arianas death. How come they could not fight each other during Fantastic Beasts but could before?
Surely the blood pact was made before the fight that caused Arianas death as I cannot see they would have made it after one of them killed her
@@user-qw6le6hf8h because if they fight terrible things happen LIKE arianas death
@@barackobama5867 maybe but i would assume that it is like the unbreakable vow and you would die if you broke it... can we please have a video about this to rest my mind
@@user-qw6le6hf8h I would think they WOULD'VE made it after their first fight. Because it killed Ariana, they probably didn't want any innocent bystanders to die with them fighting so they make the blood pact to ensure of it
@@Randomperson-ht2ey nah my guy your wrong. After Ariana was killed they were no longer friends and Grindlewald left the Dumbledores so they couldn’t have done it after
Herpo the foul could come back as a future harry Potter universe villain with a whole new set or protagonists
Do horcruxes have to be important or emotionally connected(to the wizard/witch who cast the spell) or can it be just any random rock?
I believe the items have to have a significant connection in some way to the creator. All of Voldemort's horcruxes are items of significance to his life, even if he wants to cast that part of his life out. Whether or not its positive doesn't matter, so long as theres a big connection.
Pretty great idea to keep something safe actually. Curse the hell out of it so it's super dangerous to have lying around. Unless someone knows exactly what it is, they'd most likely lock it away somewhere to keep it safe. Essentially doing your job for you so long as you didn't tell anyone about it.
Great theory, love it.
Omg I’ve never been this early! I’m excited to have a back story on Herpo!
Hope you enjoy it!
Same
I been thinking about cool storylines for this guy ever since I learned about him
We find here a problem. There's the myth of the cumaean sybil, who was granted immortality. However, this does not equate to eternal youth. So the sybil was senile woman unable to die.
In the same manner, Herpo might still live, but in an ethereal form. Like, the thinnest of ghosts. Maybe his horocrux can also host this part of him.
Awesome video! I got some topics you cn research and make videos on:
1. What if Voldemort and Grindelwald grew up at the same time and each trying to take over simultaneously. Would they join forces then or go against each other?
2. What if you made fawkes a horcrux
3. Voldemort vs Darth Vader, who was more powerful (loved the LOTR comparison). Or do which franchise was more powerful.
4. What would happen if one person owned all three of the deathly hallows and what it means to be master of death (like are you immortal or just invincible etc.)
5. What if Tom Riddle never went to Hogwarts or a wizarding school at all
When this video started I thought you were going to end with Secrets Of The Darkest Arts being the horcrux.
VIDEO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE: to what extent of magic can you perform in the new Harry Potter game e.g can you become an animagus or get magic illnesses like werewolf extra.
Maybe he switches names every few decades and travels the world so people believe he is simply a nice wizard no one really knows up close.
Prehaps to turn an object into a horcrux you need to have some sort of a conection to it. Voldemort's horcruxes were 1) his diary 2) the ring of his grandfather and heritage of slytherin 3)4)5) signature possesions of the three founders of hogwarts, the closest place he had to a home 6) Nagini, a woman he had spent a lot of time with 7) harry, his greatest enemy
Oh man...JK has got to do a story on Herpo! It'd make an excellent continuation of the series!
I think a good guess on what it is is his snake. U see it in the choco frog card and he keeps it by him at all times like a pet. Perhaps he wrote in the secrets of the darkest art that he made the snake his horcrux giving Voldemort the idea for nagini. Tho I doubt he would go blabbing what he made is horcrux out of
It would stand, if making an animal a Horcrux would make it immortal. But we never hear this info. Which would, of course, make Voldemort an idiot, making a Horcrux that will die one day..
Harry Potter is Lord Voldemort's horcrux. if Harry doesn't die, neither does Voldemort
Hey, there Delphi. That prophecy that caused you to restore your father, who made the Prophecy?
@@YellowBear-kx1ff there are many rumors in the wizarding world. regarding the prophecy, the prophecy keeps changing, it changes often and now it is difficult to understand what will happen.
@@strangerstreet678 Also, why is your surname RIDDLE? Should it technically be VOLDEMORT? Because your father is LORD Voldemort and I think your mother, Bellatrix, should be LADY Voldemort.
@@YellowBear-kx1ff yes, my mother is Bellatrix. about my surname, my father's real name is Tom Riddle as you may already know. I pretended to be a Diggory, but I'm a Riddle
regarding the necklass, I doubt that after the events with Katie, Dumbledore and Snape would have left that thing intact, I think they will have destroied it.
He teaches HERPOlogy...
I‘ll take my leave.
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see y'all at the top of the comment section
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I think this is a great theory and very plausible although I think he would have used his basilisk which he created first as his horcrux cause they can live for thousands of years if they’re hibernating
I think what you said about the opal necklace is a very good idea, think about it, there are lots of similarities between the opal necklace and Gaunt ring, touching it has serious effects on the person who touched it, Dumbledore DIED because he touched the Gaunt ring, and Katy Bell had to stay in hospital for several weeks, maybe months, (I'm not exactly sure of the exact time) And if Harry Ron, Hermione and Leanne hadn't been there with Katy when it happened she probably would have died, AND she was very lucky that she only touched it on the smallest part of her body, a hole in her glove. There are striking similarities between the Gaunt ring and the Opal necklace, Herpo the Foul probably would have put enchantments on the Opal Necklace so that nobody could destroy it, like Voldemort put enchantments on his horcruxes.
Would be awesome to read a story of Herpo in present time. To find out that he is disguised as someone we already know from Harry Potter series, for example Slughorn. And he's been influencing potentially dark wizards to do evil things from their young age.
Oh yeah but slughor went to hogwarts with Dumbledore I think
@@barackobama5867 Yeah, but Herpo was ancient and powerful, he might have had some powers to make himself young again, so he could have many identities during his lifetime
@@docbrown2045 yeah maybe, but I don't see how it would benefit himself
@@barackobama5867 Maybe he was hiding from Merlin who was also immortal. Or I could just leave it for competent writers...
I like the theory except for one thing. I doubt that the opal necklace is Herpo the Foul's horcrux. In Deathly Hallows when Harry, Ron and Hermione are discussing possible horcrux locations, Ron suggests Borgin & Burkes but Harry quickly dismissed the idea saying that Borgin is an expert on dark artifacts and that Borgin would recognize a horcrux if he saw one so Voldemort would never hide a horcrux there. I realize this is speculation on Harry's part but it is a very sound speculation. We first see the necklace in Chamber of Secrets. At that point in time the only known maker of a horcrux was Herpo the Foul. So if the necklace were a horcrux it would have to Herpo's. Assuming Borgin would know a horcrux if he saw one he would know the necklace was a horcrux and whose horcrux it was making the necklace a priceless artifact. There's no way he would have it out on display in the store and he certainly wouldn't have a price tag for a measly few thousand gallions put on it. The necklace would probably be worth millions.
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Could you possibly, make a horcrux out of a phoenix as they are essentially immortal. Or would the horcrux be destroyed when the phoenix burns out and is reborn?
It would be a cool potential story for herpo the foul start causing trouble and for older harry and the gang to have to deal with it as a new threat. There’s potential for a a lot of intertwining story’s within an ancient character like herpo too.
Could be interesting if they could do a future HP movie series focusing on current day Herpo, his eventual and slow rise to power, and the threat he poses. Perhaps beginning the same way LOTR ROTK started with the Sméagol prologue. A Herpo prologue.
So here’s a question - Nagini was a horcrux and was protected by Voldemort’s magic. But would she eventually have died of old age and Voldemort’s horcrux along with her?
Yes
One thing is very important to think about:
If he would still be alive, he either also created multiple horcruxes, or there was another person creating one and he destroyed it. Because at least one of them gets destroyed, otherwise he wouldn't have the knowledge on how to destoy them and write that into his book.
Me, watching dark wizards come back from the dead using horcruxes, instead of revising for my exam
The necklace can't be his horcrux if he's from the Ancient Greek era. The style fits more in the Renaissance (17th century) era.
I would love to see some video's or texts where it's explained in detail how a horcrux would have been created. If it's so dark and difficult, it can't be just with killing someone.
My question: If Herpo's original Horcrux was destroyed, did anyone note how it was done? Or did no one know how to destroy a Horcrux until Harry happened to stumble into a basilisk fang?
Well I think Voldemort knew or learned of the weakness after his school years which is why he didn't use the basilisk after becoming Voldemort .
Heck he could have discovered this by attempting to use the basilisk as a horcrux and it failing .