Quality LED’s and Moving Lights at Less Cost

[@kelvinenudi8346]

Wow,just looking and listening to all you had to say I can't wait to lay my hands on it.just the price

[@dickfantastic7908]

Yep, these beat all over my ADJ Focus 3z's for around the same price. Like how it narrows down to 5.5 degrees and has a frost filter. For the price this is where I'll look, but I do have my eyes on that Chauvet Hybrid for 1400 bucks. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@LearnStageLighting]

These guys have a full line of lights, including some hybrids Most of it's on their site, but there are a few that I saw at LDI that aren't on their site yet.

[@dickfantastic7908]

@@LearnStageLighting So I'm on their site now, I'm assuming for pricing you have to contact them then? Not seeing any "buy it" options on the site.

[@LearnStageLighting]

Correct. They have dealers in some areas, but will sell direct as well. And they're super-nice!

[@dickfantastic7908]

@@LearnStageLighting Awesome, I'll add them to my short list, always looking for the next new thing. I want to see Thor, ask them to take that one for a spin! Thanks again.

[@photonpilot__]

@@dickfantastic7908 Recommend the Chauvet 140s. My company currently has 12 about to become 36. And we've slowly been phasing out 1/2 of our CP Sharpy inventory for them as they can be used on their own in small venues as a hybrid/spot unit and they can still hold their own as a beam/effect unit in large rigs. Not to mention for a fixture of that price range the optics are exceptional.

[@mirothedjplaylist]

The Mr. ROGER'S OF LIGHTING

[@benniboston1461]

Lightmaxx vector 200 has similar specs and is way more cheaper. It even has a zoom from beam to spot

[@thienanle]

Dont see it. The Lightmaxx Vector 200 2.0 does not seem to have Zoom but fixed to 4degree

[@benniboston1461]

@@thienanle You were probably looking vor the lightmaxx vector beam 2.0. I meant the Vector SPOT 2.0 :)

[@RadINation]

Looking at their products now. They will be having a new customer.

[@jonothandoeser]

What?!! But how about ADJ and Chauvet???

[@LearnStageLighting]

I like them, but these guys are really doing a good job and so I am highlighting them here. Plus, I appreciate the lack of "model-flipping" from year to year.

[@RadINation]

ADJ FS3Z and within 2 years were now on the FS6Z and not the 3Z in discontinued., UGH.

[@tomburns4327]

As part of our lighting upgrade we want to replace the incandescent bulbs in our sanctuary chandeliers with wifi lamps to achieve better color and dimming capabilities. Each chandelier has 6 lamps and there are six chandeliers. Can you suggest a replacement lamp for this application?

[@LearnStageLighting]

Not sure, that's outside of the kind of thing we typically do. The wifi aspect scares me a little, often using consumer-type products like that in a commercial setting where you have a LOT of them in a small space can cause issues.

[@zeldaglitchgamer]

I'm looking for some entry level moving head lights for a tribute band. We don't have a crazy big budget and am learning about lighting as I go. Any advice or product names would help a lot.

[@LearnStageLighting]

It really depends on the size of venues and stages you play - the GAMMA stuff starts at the "mid" level (maybe 500+ seats), if you're under that, look at the Eliminator Stealth series of lights.

[@zeldaglitchgamer]

@@LearnStageLighting I'll take a look at Eliminator, we play smaller venues at this time. Do you by chance cover anything on projectors for stage? Say, if you wanted to have video playing behind you during a performance.

[@georgethedj4946]

Thanks for the video. Went to look at some battery powered up lights but there are no prices nor a way to ad to the cart.

[@LearnStageLighting]

Hi George, send them an email or call them via the number listed on their site. They will refer you to a local dealer if they have one in your area, or else get you pricing. You'll get a better deal than if they had it listed online :)

[@georgethedj4946]

Cool. Thanks for the advise

[@henriquemiranda5748]

This to me feels like an add for them, I don’t see a page for parts for these lights either, I sent them an email and still haven’t heard from them, I don’t know haha, moving lights priced decent, par lights I think they are a bit too much, idk

[@LearnStageLighting]

They did just change over their website this week, you may want to email them again (or call). They can sell you parts too, it's just not on the website. But, if you see this and it doesn't seem like good brand for you, then it probably isn't!

[@balintcsaba7342]

Hello! How many watts does a LED moving head has to have in order to keep up with a 7R lamp? For example a 360w LED BSW hybrid can have the same or more output as a 7R beam?

[@LearnStageLighting]

A 360w LED is typically more, however, it really depends on how efficient the LED's and the optics are, LED's can really vary in efficiency.

[@detricksmith2622]

The Gamma TX14 250x looks exactly like the ArtFox Hybrid LED 250W, and when I view a lot of Gamma products on their website. I see a lot more of their fixtures that also look exactly like ArtFox fixtures. Gamma isn't a household name versus a Chauvet, ADJ or Elation, so what make Gamma better or as good as those vendors?

[@LearnStageLighting]

You've done your research - great question.
Here's the short list:
1) Customer support - I've talked with Gamma customers, and they are very happy with the fact that Gamma supports their product from the US, with people that speak English/Spanish as their primary languages. Artfox claims to do this, but if you dig into it, all their phone lines/email support appear to go directly to China. (Which in itself isn't necessarily a problem, but there are timezone, language, and cultural barriers that make solving problems difficult).
2) While 2 lights may look the same on the outside (and are likely made by the same OEM in China - I see Blizzard stuff on ArtFox's site as well), the insides are NOT going to be the same. I've spoken extensively with Gamma on this. When an OEM in China pitches the product to importers, they bundle together the features for the lowest cost possible. People like Gamma visit China often, and when new products are being developed they have them reworked with better power supplies, motors, and LED's. You'll see that Gamma isn't the lowest cost, but rather a nice light for a great price.
3) As I mention in the video, these lights are similar / slightly nicer than what you'd get from a Chauvet/ ADJ/Elation/Blizzard. I also highly appreciate that Gamma doesn't "model-flip" every year or so - they import a model for as long as they possibly can. That way, if you bought (2) lights last year, you can still get more of them this year. This also keeps the cost down as new product development is expensive...
4) Marketing: What impressed me most about Gamma is that they have taken the opposite approach to marketing compared to a lot of other importers. They've spent over 8 years working on getting the product right, and only really selling them within their network of peers. Now, they're starting to market slowly.
A lot of other brands import their first product (and it has issues), and they turn on the marketing machine to full blast and sell a bunch of units. Then, a few years later, the lights break and the company disappears, and there's nothing you can do about it. I've seen a number of brands to this in the past 15 years.
ArtFox turned the marketing on hard a few years ago, and I have seen and talked to a lot of people with broken ArtFox lights...
Gamma may not be the right lights for you, but I really think they're worth a look. Hope that helps,
-David

[@detricksmith2622]

@@LearnStageLighting Great responses.
Response #1 I totally agree with all you highlighted which can either be a Pro or Con for me. I would also add with Artfox most of their products if you place an order ships directly from China which they quote you 30 days to receive, but it could be longer than that.
But I like to be fair and honest as there is good in all lighting vendors no matter if they are in the US or overseas. So, I will say what I do like about Artfox is they give you travel cases for most if not all their products. And for Chauvet/ADJ/Elation and others you have to purchase travel cases which is a separate transaction/cost outside the actual purchase of the fixture, and for moving head fixtures a travel case can be expensive.
I spoke with a Gamma person on yesterday and I plan to give them a try this year as I’m looking for other vendor fixtures outside of Chauvet/ADJ/Elation that are inexpensive to those vendors pricing but have good customer service and good quality.
Appreciate the feedback responses and lighting info.
DS Lighting
Detrick

[@brandonwong8568]

@@LearnStageLighting thank for this, I am currently in a toss between artfox and gamma. its awesome to have someone like you share the differences

[@croissantproductions]

@@LearnStageLighting Is Marq one of those brands that disappeared? I haven’t seen them anywhere since 2018 or so.

[@CostaBle]

I've been doing research on this light, Artfox and Gamma. Artfox has a warehouse minutes away from me in NJ which is nice. While browsing around, I came across the brand Rasha, specifically the Rasha Cybrid. Have you heard of this company or of any feedback on them?

[@LearnStageLighting]

I've heard of Rasha, but haven't ever actually seen their stuff or talked with anyone who owns it. Art-Fox I have talked with many people that own their stuff, and reliability is not good compared to Gamma, ADJ, or Chauvet.

[@keatondepron]

I know John Simmons on TH-cam owns quite a bit of Rasha products.

[@promax6024]

Where did you get these wall panels at 2:47

[@LearnStageLighting]

Amazon: amzn.to/2ZnZm4A

[@johnvalle9575]

price has gone up over $200 since this video. (1 year) wow

[@LearnStageLighting]

You can always call them and ask why - they're nice! My guess - the effects of the tariffs and shipping which we've seen this year.

[@LearnStageLighting]

I also spoke with them, and they informed me that it's actually a new model now. They have a lower cost TX4-150w Spot that doesn't zoom but was really close in price to this one, so they made the decision with their factory to upgrade the TX4-250 (what I reviewed) to the TX5. It has the same feature set, but nicer, brighter LED's and optics (about 30% brighter, a little wider zoom too). It did also increase the cost, but there's always the 150w if you're looking to save and don't need zoom.

[@101Osprey101]

OR... For lights that are never moved around, just get cheap U-King lights with the same output level. They cost less than 1/4 of what those cost. I have a set of 4 in a mobile setup and even after tossing them into a box repeatedly when breaking down and setting up, they are still working great. Other than the power in and out (which is a nice feature) they have the same lighting features as those. I paid less than 100 dollars for a set of 4. Lights are cheap these days. There is little need to purchase expensive fixtures like these anymore. If you are a church setting up lighting, go with the lesser expensive fixtures and donate the rest of money to help someone in need. Stop wasting money on fancy stage setups.

[@LearnStageLighting]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. I have used the U-King stuff, and the build quality, brightness and output of a U-King light is nowhere near what these guys are doing. I think Gamma is giving us a really, really good value for quality. But, you don't have to agree with me...just follow up in 10 years and let me know how many of the U-Kings are working :)

[@LearnStageLighting]

Show me a 250w U-King Spot Moving Head with Zoom - it doesn't exist - this are a totally different class, quality-level and brightness. If your U-King stuff makes you happy, then you're not the user who would use Gamma.

[@OliverHynds]

this just feels like an ad

[@LearnStageLighting]

Well, it's literally not. I'm just excited to see something different at a good cost. Via the FTC's rules I have to fully disclose any sponsorship, and there is none . All they did was send me the lights to demo :)