Have We Found Plato's Body?
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In this video I am going to tell you all about the latest news from Italy about a charred papyrus scroll that has revealed the location of Plato’s exact burial place.
The text also revealed that Plato was not a fan of the music that was played on his final night on earth.
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The recent advancement in reading the charred scrolls is incredibly exciting. Some of the libraries in Pompeii and Herculaneum may have contained some really important lost documents.
That papyrus deciphering project is the most fascinating archaeological project to me right now
But to be serious. I am so inspired by Kayleigh. As someone who has hit an age where the same autoimmune disorder is completely destroying me, I'd love this to be profitable enough for her to share her enthusiasm and knoeledge of her interests that she can spend the rest of her time on self care.
I love the little details she finds that expand my knowledge of history. Enjoy life like Philodemus while you can and don't be afraid to punch a bad flute player
We owe a debt of gratitude to all the scholars, historians, and others coming into contact with the scrolls for not unrolling them. Hats off to computerize tomography and other non-invasive technologies.
Amazing that when it was buried by the eruption nearly 2000 years ago, this text was already a centuries old account.
Finding Plato's tomb will be cool, being able to read chunks of charcoal is amazing!
The hardest thing to do in archaeology is to find a specific burial of a specific person, but when they basically give you instructions with "X marks the spot", why not go for it? I mean they found Richard III with a lot less to go on.
And it was even marked "R3" on the space above him.
@@diktatoralexander88 oh yeah I forgot that part. Plus it was the first trench of thed dig and pretty much the first thing they found. If you tried to write it like that no one would believe it.
I too was in search of my wife’s urn until recently. I found it, and put it on the shelf by the TV, which annoyed her no end as she was watching a show at the time.
Fox out.
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I do think that we know ancient Greeks by their nicknames... you see all of their names mean something that reflects things that we know about them... Plato for example means ''wide''... and if you study his work, you'll see that his way of thinking was kinda ''universal'' [wide].... Aristotle (Aristotelis) on the other hand means ''well-spoken'', and the dude really had his way with words...
Alexander means ''defender of men'' and Alex was known to jump first into the battle... his father Fillip [Filippos] translates to ''friend of horses'' and we know that he had a passion for horses, even trading them, that's how his son got his hands on Bucephalus the horse's name means bull's head, we know that it had a large head, like a bull ... Leonidas means ''as a lion'' and many more examples... my name is Nikolaos [Nikolas, Nick] and it means ''peoples victory'' [Niki- laos] everybody who knows me can tell, that I'm a sucker for ''lost [but righteous] causes''... [that's how ''fate'' works...]
Can you imagine being the one to translate this?! What a moment in ones life. Thank you Kayleigh 🩷
Amazing discovery! Plato is such an important figure and to discover his burial place is nothing short of miraculous. His remains should be left alone though I think. We have his great work to fascinate us forever!
Great video, Kayleigh!
"That would be really dope." - Kayleigh - I needed that.
Definitely we should find it. First we could learn a lot about the life of a philosopher, and and the hardships Plato himself endured, we could see what he actually looked like , even things like his diet would be great. Second, it would make Plato and so much of ancient history move from mythology to real tangible history
Fun fact and slightly irrelevant -that fresco in the Vatican called "The school of Athens" by the great Renaissance painter Raphael which shows most of the great Greek philosophers including Plato and Aristotle who stand and sit inside a partially completed but enormous building open to the sky is actually based on the partially completed St Peter's Cathedral in Rome - you can see where the great dome by Michelangelo is eventually going to sit. Yes Raphael was also one of the Mutant Ninja Turtles I think!
Kayleigh, Thanks passed over for a great watch & listen as always. Best wishes you have sent alongside... ❤
Regards from Western Scotland.
These finds are incredible. A good thing about technology.
Great video, incredible story. I've been waiting for the results of the scanning. Thanks, K.
I had not known Herculaneum was found first. Thx. Cool desk pad although i do not have any use for one. Best wishes
It is great to hear you speak of the wide array of technology being applied to recovering history.
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I love the modelling clay he invented that kept me and many older kids occupied before we had iPads and smartphones. It was salty!
Plato was a cool dude, until u😅 had to pull tiny , dried ,chunks of him out of the carpet.
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Deciphering those papyri is so fascinating and will certainly help us delve into the mind of the people of that time by telling us what knowledge they thought was worth preserving. As for Plato's grave, I don't think it would be an idea to exhume him, if there are still any remains, but locating him using non invasive tech would be certainly cool.
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Soon we will hear that Alexanders, Cleopatra and Mark Antony's tomb locations have been found... this tech advance is fantastic!
Give cleopatra a DNA test when found.....PLEASE!!!!!
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Didn't the Romans find Alexander's tomb?
Just came across your channel I love it keep up the good work 👍
My guess, Plato would have followed the rituals of the times which had only recently changed (from cremation and internment in urns). His grave/tomb is likely a rectangle with few, if any, objects other than his remains within it. Rather, there may be a mound over it and maybe a stellai. We know from material culture that people, most often women, made regular visits to graves with offerings. It's likely though that sulla desecrated the site and the yrs that followed removed all indication of where it is exactly.
Or locals just took the stones away for building and the bones turned to dust ages ago.
Discovering this history is amazing. I'm grateful for the technology we currently have to uncover these amazing stories and details from ancient daily life. I am also thankful that Pompeii and Herculaneum were buried and "saved" so that now they can be preserved. Absolutely dig up Plato and put him in a place of honor in Greece where anyone can visit.
I heard Plato was not only a student of Socrates, a foundational ancient Greek philosopher and Aristotle's teacher but also an accomplished shuffleboard player.
He also is responsible for the dough we played with as kids.
I read Pluto's Socrates apology. I actually threw the book across the room and screamed, "get to the f'ing point." Then after I went a pick it off the floor and finished reading it, I realized Plato was one of the people Socrates called stupid. Lol 😆 🤣 😂
Peace and Ahev
The name "Plato" means "broad" in Greek as he was a big man -actually related to our word plate and flat!
Hope for the 200K fast 🙂. Just knowing were the Academy was, would be incredible. When Alexandre will be found? Surely never, but one can only hope.
Preservation. Find it YES. Investigate it with non-invasive, non-destructive methods. Preserve the site in perpetuity for future generations and technologies.
Kayleigh , i love your videos , as i love history ! Pompeii and Herculeanum have always facinated me. This is exciting news ! Your videos are a wonderful acompanyment to my subscription to Archeology Magizene . Have a wonderful weekend !
It can't hurt to try to find the tomb, as for the body, I don’t know. Technology is great when used to retrieve lost history and preserve items like these scrolls.
Very interesting. Hopefully we we have a lot more of interesting texts revealed to us, as they are able to read more of them
Merch idea for you, t-shirts with "Listen to Philodemus" and "I Dig Plato".
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Philodemus - leading Epicurean philosopher. I heartily encourage people to look into Epicureanism. It's a beautiful approach to life.
Thank you for these videos. I’ve been to some of these places. It’s a pleasure to watch you and how you present history!
Thank you is difficult too find information on the reading of those papyrus. Cheers
You are a very good presenter with lots of information that is not exactly common knowledge😊
You are so good at this
Great video, Kayleigh...👍
Yay! They are finally getting hard science out of those charred scrolls. I can’t wait to see what else they can discover as they virtually“unroll” and read them.
I'm a librarian whose undergrad was in ancient European history....you have no idea how excited I am!!!
I suppose with this new information about where exactly he is they could mount a good look. How many other bodies are in those gardens?
No idea how many others👀
Good point. There might be lots of bodies and no way to identify them.
Hi Kayleigh, hope all is going good for you, 😊
Hopefully they could finally find his final resting place. Enjoy your time in Turkey.
Plato's large rectangular valley surrounded with high mountains covered with crystals is the San Luis Valley of Colorado, I found lots of their art.
Really enjoyed the video, thanks. 🎉
It's just so amazing that they can read those charred scrolls, technology has come so far.
It is awesome that they can read the scrolls now. Not sure if we should disturb Plato. I kinda do but I kinda don't. Is he in danger? I am all for it if he in in danger. I guess we will just have to see. We could find a better spot for him and erect a monument for him or just find him a new humble garden. Even though he has been gone for centuries he is still teaching.
If they have an idea of where the grave might be, go for it and see what they find.
That's amazing advances in science and technology will allow us to recover some lost philosophy texts!
another excellent job
Leave the body. Rest in peace.
Excellent presentation of this very interesting info, Kayleigh! I really hope you're doing well; you look to be so on-screen. (Love the new hair "do" too...very cute.)
Good afternoon from Copperhill Tn. 😊
Now if they could just figure out where I buried my Playdough as a kid.
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Positively astounding, the advances made in forensic research into invaluable ancient writings. I mean, reading burnt ancient charcoal scrolls!?!?!? What was considered regrettably forever lost to humanity has yet a chance to contribute due to destruction by fire which prevented decay, and advanced technologies undreamt of in centuries passed.
I love your videos,very informative and trustworthy. Thank you for going against the grain when you need to.
7:22 Talking about Plato going out with a bang, when I first heard that he was complaining about a flute player I did wonder if it was a flute girl at a symposium.
Plato's body is just a shadowy reflection of his true Form.
Thank you for this interesting video!
....and Aristotle taught Alexander the Great. I would find Plato's body if I could and memorialize it. There may be artifacts there that would contribute to our learning. Besides, it was an historic period for human kind. Today we tend to think how much we know but it all started back then. Pythagoras was one of the greatest mathematicians and scientific thinkers of all time; he died in 495 BC. Pythagoras's teaching were a heavy influence on Plato as well. He was just one of many.
So, like Oscar Wilde's alleged last words were "either that wallpaper goes, or I do". Plato's last words were possibly "Either that music goes or I do". 😜
😅 Interesting! I was thinking about a CT Scan which I understand slices images, but then, it must be difficult to grab the writing by capturing the subtle 3d lines of text, my imagination is flying.
Wow love it when technologies help us with history
I think it's awsome!! I have always admired Plato's brillants. I think they should find his body.
Super😊.your history is lovely.
Thank you, Kaliegh ❤😊
Sounds like an Indiana Jones movie plot.
Love it!
I'm so excited for this one
Hi Kayleigh, thank you for your video, always very informative. I think if they find Plato's resting place, they should leave him alone, and let him rest.
There are several very new technologies starting to be used in archaeology that mitigate some of the need to actually excavate a site to see what's under the surface. For a small location like a grave site they might be very useful. Various ground-penetrating imaging systems can now give amazing details, and immediately generate 3D images and cross-sections of artifacts, within the effective limits of the machines, of course.
I love your videos, you are informative and also do a version of historic archaeology news. My only suggestion is if you can maybe improve the audio that would be my only criticism.
Kayleigh’s mastery of English has gotten to the point that she’s picked up a Southern US accent in some of her words. You can hear it when she says, “I should be workin’”
Hehe ✌️ I do like that Southern sound, glad you noticed haha
This is a nice surprise! It's a "TGIK" Friday... Thank God It's Kayleigh 😅
I say leave Dude alione... He's contributed a lot to society so far.
BTW, Klee...Dr. Paul Cooper's "Egypt - Fall of Civilizations" video presentation dropped this week, "In this episode, we travel to the Nile Valley, and tell the story of one of the most iconic cultures ever produced by humankind - the civilizations of ancient Egypt. I want to show how this series of related cultures grew up in the floodplains of their great river, and built some of the most enduring and recognizable structures in the world. And I want to tell the story of what happened to bring the age of the Pharaohs finally and cataclysmically to an end."
Have an awesome weekend everyone. Peace and be well
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Me too! 😁😁
Out Standing and interesting video.
Creo que si realmente se encuentran los restos de Platón, se deberían hacer todas las diligencias científicas necesarias y luego dejar el cuerpo en el mismo lugar y señalarlo para que quien quiera pueda ir presentarle su respeto.
Let Plato rest there where he chose to be buried.
quite right
You’re the best!!! 💐
You "excavate" a building, you "exhume" a corpse.
She said, excavate the tomb.
8:45 "I wonder if archaeologists will now try to actually find and excavate Plato's body"
Nevertheless, finding a lost grave from nearly 2400 years ago will require some excavation before any remains can be exhumed.
while we are heading down the semantic rabbit hole is there a difference between a body and a skeleton? @@dlxmarks
Exhume literally means out of soil. If the body is not in soil, it is not technically exhumed. Excavate means out of a cave or hollow. A body buried in soil will necessarily form a hollow in the soil. Pretty unlikely to exhume anything without also excavating it. (There is always a bigger pedant. Who's next?)
me - what is the difference between "body", "remains" and "skeleton" or "skeletal"@@ChrisSham
Plato claimed to have had a teacher named Socrates, and everything we know about Socrates comes from Plato. It's entirely possible that Socrates was a fictional character created by Plato which would mean that everything attributed to socrates should actually be attributed to Plato himself, but who knows.
Plato is not the only source for Socrates. We also have dialogues written by Xenophon who was alive at the same times as Plato and Socrates. There's also the play The Clouds by Aristophanes where Socrates is a character. What we don't know is how close the Socrates in platonic dialogues mirrors the historical person. A common thought is that the earlier dialogues were closer to what the real Socrates did, and the later dialogues used Socrates as a mouthpiece for Plato's philosophy.
English king Richard III was found in a parking lot 500 years after his death. Imagine the LAYERS of construction, Athens has been used for over 3000 years, over Plato. IF we can identify the Academy site? Who knows, if a hospital is there, then let Plato lie. He may inspire the health workers in the hospital.
Thank you, Kayleigh. ❤❤❤❤
Another great video! at 8:19 we couldn't listen to Philodemis (sp?) for copyright reasons? It seems you edited that part out. Are they keeping that from the public for a while? Do you know of any advancements in AI that could also enhance the ability to read the scrolls? That's an amazing story how they found out more about Plato! Can they do DNA testing that might tell more? They actually found his grave, or are they closer because of him being buried by the garden? Thanks for bringing such unique perspectives on the origins of humanity, a great deed!
No copyright reasons, I quoted a short bit, but don't see the point in quoting more because that's not part of the subject of the video
Whaaaaatttt!!!! How cool is that!!!????
I would love to know what Plato looked like, so yes, exhume his body & subject it to the same forensic analyses that the body of Richard III had done to it....the process helps to change these individuals from mythical figures to real people. Imagine if the body of Alexander The Great was discovered beneath the streets of Alexandria!
1:06 Plato was a student at the Socratic School of Thought but it is not known how close he was to Socrates himself. By the time Plato was accepted there Socrates still gave lectures irregularly but was predominantly an administrator.
This is exciting!
Normally I would say just leave it where it is but this is an historical figure and I don't know if we can help ourselves. But think about that library. I hope there's some lost poetry and lost history there as well.
BTW there was a nice call out to you on the Highly Compelling channel. Do you people know each other?
I know of the Highly compelling channel, we've interacted a bit here and there
Thanks!
Decode and publish the whole library! Do not dig up plato!
Philodemus is my new favorite, not that I'm tossing Marcus Aurelius, Aristotle, Epictetus or Diogenes 😜
In the immortal words of Socrates “I drank what?”
Have any other philosophers' graves been found? I wonder what they would be buried with...
DDelightful video. Gave it a like.
It doesnt mean there is a Plato in the grave -If someone famouse as Plato lied hter and erveryone knew - Maybe someone dug him up - and then there is the fact he wanted everyone to know he was burried thate but werent
maybe they will find the body and get a sample of his genetic code. that would be interesting